October 29, 2025 • 48 mins
There is nothing to fear but Fear Street itself. In this killer classic episode, SMNTY slashes through the Fear Street trilogy to talk about witches, love and friendship.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and welcome to stuff.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I never told you Protection of iHeartRadio, and today we
are bringing back another classic episode.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It is just me. Samantha is off doing.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Some family stuff, but I thought, you know what we
should bring back as we are getting closer to Halloween
as this comes out another classic horror trilogy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Actually it's pretty recent.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So this was the Spoiled Saturdays on Fear Street. And
there has been a new film to this series. I
have not seen it yet, so do not spoil me.
But this was a really fun one and we do
talk about all all three of the movies in this
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So hopefully if you're looking for some horror movies, we
are here for you and I if you need suggestions,
just write it and I will email you back. But yes,
please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and
Samantha and we go be stuff. I never told you
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Protection of iHeartRadio, and it's time for another edition of
Spoiled Saturdays. Today we are going to be talking about
the Afear Street trilogy which is on Netflix. So if
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you don't want to be spoiled, then I suggest that
you go and watch them and come back. I had
the pleasure of rewatching them yesterday for work. So it's
funny to be because when these movies came out, people
kept telling me you have to watch them, you have
to watch them, you love them. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
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I'll get to them eventually, and when I did, I
did love them. And then I sort of like spread
it to other people, and I kept telling my friends like,
if you start, if you watch the first one, we're
gonna be up all night because you're gonna watch the
second one, and then you're gonna want to watch that
third one. And they all said, no, no, no, I'll be
good watching the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And then three.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
AM rolls all around and they're like, oh no, let's
watch the X. How did you discover them? What was
your first experience like?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So, yeah, when I first watched it, I didn't know
what I was getting into. I loved the Fear Street
series that was originally released in the nineties, I believe
by R. L Stein, completely different. Obviously, this is a
whole different take, so I don't quite remember. I do
remember the sisters in the book, and I remember the
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traveling back and forth. If you remember the Fear Street
any of R. L Stein's books, like that first and foremost,
it was very sexual. For teenager reading these books, they
were really sexual. I was like, holy crap, yes, as
a repressed teen, give me this. So I feel like
they held to that one pretty closely. Outside of that,
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I was excited to see that I was radated r
or at least mature because for me, obviously again this
was a teen series. But you really can't get to
the essence of the book without all of that violence,
because you do read the violence in the book and
you're like, what is happening and you're gripped by it.
So love love love the book. Really excited that they
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took this point and made it different, but they still
had the fear Street fear sisters. I think there's only
one in this one, but the original is the fear
f I e r talking about how that went on.
The The name good also happens. I don't think in
the book, and this is how long it's been, there
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was anything about Sunnyville or Shady Side, so that's new
to me. Maybe tell me if I'm wrong. I feel
like it was a whole like back and forth with
a family, but not necessarily with like community. But I
could be wrong. It could be just something that slipped
from my mind. But yeah, watching the series delighted, love
to take it, had loved the flashbacks, love all that.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, they're really really fun. I grew up reading Goosebumps.
I will tell you that used to scare me so
badly that I really don't remember them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Like my mind was like.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Nope, one alien, dude, it was a bug.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The one that like really terrified me was the one
where the kid got trapped in the mirror. He get
trapped in the mirror world and there was because you know,
I doppelgangers freaked me out, so like the doppelganger was
living his life and he could.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Only see from the mirror.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh, listeners, if you have a favorite goo Stumps book,
please let us know.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Just remember the teacher that turns into a bug alien.
That's the one I remember. Goosebumps was not a mi Ali,
but yeah, I just remembered that one bug of like
what the hell?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, we had we had all of them.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We had like a little bookshelf and it just had
all the Goosebumps and I would stay up and I
wouldn't be able to sleep because they scared me so badly. Uh, well,
speaking of before we get into this. As always, as
it's made clear in recent episodes, if we ever recommend
a movie, please do your own research first.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Get mad.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
These are campy slasher movies and they can't get pretty graphic,
So just be aware before you go on this journey
if you haven't gone on it already. So we're gonna
run through the plot first, and then we're gonna break
down some of the themes as we usually do so.
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The Fear Street Trilogy is an American horror series based
on the Ralstein books, directed by Lee Janiek, who also
co wrote the scripts. They were released in July twenty
twenty one and they were pretty positively received. The movie
stuck Keana Madaria as Dina, Olivia Scott Welch as Sam,
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Benjamin Flora's Junior as Josh, Julia Redwall as Kate, fred
Heschinger as Simon, Ashley Zuckerman as Nick Good, and yes,
I put that last name in there for a reason,
Danielle Britt Gibson as Martin Gillian Jacobs, I believe that's
how she pronounces it. And Sadie Sink as c Ziggie
Berman and Maya Hawk as Heather and that's just a
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few because this is three movies spanning across multiple decades
and centuries. So yes, yes, they follow a group of
teenagers in the cursed town of Shady Side, and this
is a curse that has died for hundreds of years.
The films trace the curse backwards as the group searches
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for the source of it, with the third act of
the third movie bringing the viewer back to modern day
to confront the curse.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So that's why when I was telling my.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Friends, like, once we start, you're not gonna want to
start because you start. And then the first one ends
with like, but if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
And then oh, if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
It's kind of like a mystery, like like, oh, I
got to get to the bottom of what's.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Going on here.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So let's start with part one, which takes place in
nineteen ninety four. And let me just say, oh, the nineties,
the nineties, the music.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The technology.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay, it makes me every time I watch it, I'm like,
oh yeah, these songs, I remember, oh yeah, these technologies.
I remember all the old Internet message boards, all of
that stuff. So the first one opens with a teenager
murdered by her friend Ryan in Shady Side Mall, which
is this is filmed in Georgia and it's the same
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place they film Stranger Things. So if you saw that,
mom and were like, huh, looks familiar, it's because it
was filmed in the same place that I have been there.
You have been there that very cheap movie matinees. Yes, yes,
several others are killed before the murderer is shot and
killed himself by Sheriff Nick Good, and then he just
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kinds of treats this whole thing. I'm like, shady ciders suck.
They deserve it. This has happened before. It's Shady Side
is called murder capital of the US. They are often
negatively compared to the neighboring town Sunny Vale, which is
just doing so well, thanks for asking, and is often
referred to as one of the safest and wealthiest places
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to live in the country. The local legend is that
a witch executed in sixteen sixty six named Sarah here
and yes, that's fi Er is to blame for the
curse on Shady Side and the resulting murders that have
happened there. Teenager Dina does not believe in the legend
and just sort of thinks Shady Side sucks, like it's
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just a bad place to be. She recently broke up
with her girlfriend Sam, who is now dating a boy
from Sunny Vale. Her brother Josh, meanwhile, not only believes
the legend but spends a lot of time online researching it.
Dina's friends Simon and Kate are trying to raise enough
money to get out of Shady Side by selling drugs.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, and then a fight breaks out between Shady Siders
and Sunny Vailers out of vigil for the victims of
the murder. Obviously, this happens a lot. Sam's boyfriend Peter
Tailgate's a bus full of Shady Siders, and Dina, angry
at Sam for the breakup at the fact that she
is a Sunny Veiler, now prepares to throw a cooler
out the back of the bus at the car, but
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gets a nosebleed and stops, and though the cooler still
falls out and hits the car, a car crashes and
Sam sees a vision of Sarah fear before she's hospitalized.
After seeing a handful of creepy figures. That night, Dina
and the gang start to suspect that they're being stalked
by Sunny Baylor's Peter, specifically because he's a dick. They
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go to confront him at the hospital, but one of
the stalkers kills Peter oh No and several others at
the hospital, and it is gruesome. They managed to unmask him.
It turns out it's Ryan the Dead Ryan. Sam and
Dina try to tell the police what's going on, but
with no success, and Simon is attacked by Ruby Lane,
who went on a murdering spree in Shady Side in
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nineteen sixty five. Also dead, Also dead.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yes, this is when you have one of my favorite
scenes in the movie where it's like the kind of
research montage and Josh is.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Like ruby Lane nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Like he's putting downe all these yes, vak articulous.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I love those scenes in horror movies.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
The crew realizes that Sam's car crash disturbed Sarah fears bones,
and that Sam bleeding on them somehow resurrected several of
Shady Sides previous killers. They tried to put her spirit
to rest by giving her by giving her a proper burial,
but the camp night Wing killer who's killer from nineteen
seventy eight in Shady Side attacks them before they can succeed.
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They also realize that these killers are only after Sam
and that her blood attracts them, so they try to
trick the killers and burn them using Sam's blood, but
burning them doesn't stop them to kind of just resurrect.
Despite Dina's protest, the group, including Sam, decides that Sam
has to be sacrificed, but they change their minds when
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they learn that See Burman, the Camp night Wing survivor,
died and was resuscitated, so they then try to contact
Sea Burman but are unable to reach her, so they
come up with a plan to use drugs to temporarily
kill Sam and then bring her back to life. Josh, Simon,
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and Kate try to keep the killers at bay, but
Simon and Kate are killed in the process with Sam's permission,
and Dina drowned Sam, causing the killers to vanish, and
then revives her.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And then the police, of course pin the blame on
Simon and Kate since they sold drugs those bad kids.
The Surviving crew pushes back on that story. Sam and
Dina make up and come out publicly as a couple.
Which was a big part of why they broke up.
It seems like everything is going to be just fine
until Dina gets a call from See Burma telling her
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there's no escape from the witch. Sam, now possessed, attacks
Dina until Dina manages to subdue her and tie her
up with the phone court I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right, yeah, with the you know, our old landline phones
that we used in the nineties. But so, yeah, this
is how the first part is.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So you're like, oh, well, go god. I watched the
second one.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That brings us to part two, which is Fear Street
nineteen seventy eight, and this one focuses on the massacre
at Camp Nightwing in nineteen seventy eight. Dina and Josh,
with a restrained Sam, find see Berman and ask her
to tell them what happened there, and she reluctantly agrees,
and it's sort of the Most of the rest of
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the film cuts to flashback of the story. So, after
being accused of stealing by Sunny Railers at Camp Nightwing
in nineteen seventy eight, Shady Cider, an outcast Ziggy Berman,
is accused of witchcraft. The Sunny Vailors hang her up
at a tree and burn her arm before some camp counselors,
one of them, Nick Good, intervene.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So Meanwhile, her sister Cindy, who was determined that if
she is close to perfect as she can get, she
can escape shady size reputation, and Cindy's boyfriend Tommy are
a dive by Nurse Lane. What Ruby Lane's mother, one
of Z's only allies. Very kind, kind of odd as
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they put in, the police take Nurse Layanne into custody
and the Sunny Baylor's blame the curse, believing that the
witch possessed. Nurse Laane and her daughter, Cindy and Tommy
check out the infirmary and run into a former friend
of Cindy's named Alice and her boyfriend Arnie. Uh. I
believe it is Alice the one have you ever seen
doctor sleep?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I have?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Is that her in there?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I can't remember, but I will tell you. When I
was watching it yesterday, I was like, oh, I've seen
her and something before her.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Anyway, keep going, which would put her in two big
uh horror franchises with big author names. That's interesting. They
find a map to Sarah Fair's house and Nurse Lane's diary,
where she claims that Sarah Fear made a deal with
the devil for eternal life by cutting off her hand
on Satan's stone. U They investigate the house and discover
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empty graves dug by nurse Lane and a witch's mark.
Under the house, Alice and Cindy find a wall engraved
with the names of all the past Shady Side killers
and Tommy's name, and then it possessed. Tommy kills Arnie
and attempts to kill Cindy and Alice, but they are
able to lose him. In the caves under the house,
they find a pile of organs that seem to be alive.
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It is really grows and grotesque, and after Alice touches them,
she sees visions of past killers and victims. Alice hurstleg
and she and Cindy make up and work together to
find a potential exit under the camp's outhouse.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Boom Yes, And as all of this is going on,
a Ziggy and Nick play a prank on the Sunny Valors,
who accuse Ziggy of witchcraft in the beginning, and the
two grow closer and eventually kiss. Tommy kills several campers
and a counselor, and Ziggy and another counselor try to
rescue Cindy and Alice from the outhouse, but Tommy kills
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the counselor and forces Ziggy to flee. Her and Nick
hide from Tommy, but they are discovered and Tommy injures Nick.
Ziggy is attacked by Tommy, but Cindy arrives and kills him.
And this is after Alice was like could you ever
kill him? And Cindy was like, no, never. Alice tells
the group she found the witch's hand buried near Satan's stone.
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They decide to reunite the witch's hand and her body
in the hopes that it will end the curse. Ziggy
gets some blood on the hand and has a vision
of Sarah Fere, which resurrects all of the Shady Side killers. Tommy,
now reanimated, kills Alice before Cindy decapitates him. The killer's
chase Ziggy and Cindy to the tree where Sarah Fear
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was hanged, digging around the tree in search of her body. However,
all they find is a rock that says the Witch
Forever lives. Cindy sacrifices herself after realizing the killers are
only after Ziggy, but they are both killed, causing the
killers to disappear, but Nick arrives and uses a CPR
to revive Ziggy or her real name, Christine Berman.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
When she finishes the story, the teenagers tell her they
found the body and keet in the curse by reuniting
the witch with her hand. They go to the mall,
which was built on where Camp night Wing used to be,
and dug up the hand from the under from under
the still standing tree, which seemed kind of odd. They
go back to the body and reunited with the hand,
causing Dina's nose to bleed and for her to have
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a vision from sixteen sixty six where she is now
Sarah Fear.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yep, and that's her Part two winds. So you're like, oh, well,
I guess I gotta go on. You continue.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, So this brings us to part three, which is
sixteen sixty six slash nineteen ninety four Part two, but
it is set primarily in sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
About this is the actors are kind of reprising their
roles as these care from sixteen sixty six, Like, it's
not actually Dina, it's Sarah Fear. But the actress who
plays Dina plays Sarah fear from her perspective, yeah yeah, exactly.
Sarah lives with her brother and father and union the
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land that would later be split into Shady Side. In
Sunny Vale, Sarah and her friends Hannah which is the
same actress who plays Sam and Lizzie, meet up with
a reclusive widow in order to get berries for an
upcoming party.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's very heavily implied that those berries are.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Psychedelic in some nature, and Sarah finds a book of
black magic. Later at the party, a man named Caleb
harasses Sarah and Hannah, and they leave, thinking they are alone.
They have an intimate moment together, but they are witnessed
by Matt Thomas. The following day, the preacher, who is
Hannah's father, begins to exhibit strange behavior, and the town
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supplies of food and water are poisoned. Everyone's on edge,
and Sarah wonders to her friend Solomon Good if all
the bad things happening in the town are her fault.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So the pastor murders twelve children, which is gruesome by
the way, including Sarah's brother, and attacks Sarah before Solomon
kills him. The town has a meeting and concludes whichcraft
must be to blame, and Caleb claims Sarah and Hannah
as the witches behind the whole thing. No bitterness there.
Sarah manages to escape, but the townspeople capture Hannah and
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plan to execute her. In the morning, Sarah sneaks in
to see Hannah and the two affirm their love for
each other. To save Hannah, Sarah goes to the widow's
house to retrieve the Book of black Magic. She says
she's willing to make this deal with it, but devil
but discovers the widow murdered and the book gone. She
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has the Solomon's house and hides because the townspeople show
up looking for her. There, she finds a tunnel under
the house that lead to evidence of a ritual and
the widow's book Dum Dum Dum. Solomon confesses he stole
the book to perform a ritual allowing for the pastor
to be possessed in exchange for wealth and power, which
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he offers to share with Sarah so nice. She refuses
and he attacks her and she loses her hand in
the fight. Solomon in the townspeople capture her in a
desperate attempt to save Hannah because he Solomon has now
blamed her and excusing her for the being a witch.
Sarah declares that she is the witch. Hannah is spared,
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and before she dies, Sarah swears vengeance on Solomon. Hannah
and the others return later to properly bury her body
away from the tree. Away from the tree. Yeah, and
then we come back to nineteen ninety four. Diana tells
the others that the Goods are the ones behind the
Shady Side cursed, the firstborn of every generation, continuing the
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rituals started by Solomon, which is also why Sunny Felt prospers.
Dina and Josh are discovered by Nick Good, but get away. They,
along with Ziggy, decided that they have to kill Nick
to end the curse. They lured Nick to the mall,
battle it out with the Shady Side Killers and trick
them into attacking Nick by marking him with Dina's blood
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lots of blood. He manages to escape into the tunnels,
but Dina and still possess Sam pursue him. Sam attacks
Dina but snaps enough out of the possession for Dina
to get away. She confronts Nick and they fight Nick
almost kills Dina, but she forces him to touch the
beating organs, causing him to see the visions of the
victims of the killers, allowing for Dina to kill him.
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Finally breaking the curs, Dina and Sam reunite, Ziggie and
Nurslain reunite. Josh makes his online friend in person. Very cute.
The Good Family is exposed. Happy ending or is it.
There's a post credit scenes show someone taking the Witch's
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Book from the tunnels, which I still confuse why they
left it down there.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, they had a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I guess they did. Katy Dubbs apparently R. L Stein
really liked this rendition. He did say that though it's
nothing like his book, it held to the spirit of
his stories, and he really liked the adaptation.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
That makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I feel like that's one of the I know we've
been talking about this recently because we've gotten to hear
some of your passions of books and adaptions.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I feel like, if it sticks to the spirit of it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm not generally one of those people that's like put
in the book, but if you kind of deviate from
the spirit or characters drastically, that's when I'm like, but
wait a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Minute, right, So he was talking about but at least
they kept the characters and they understood the curses of
that what's happening, So he appreciated it. He appreciated the
storytelling and the flips, So you know, that's great. Apparently
he's still writing. Did you know that? I did not
know that this Goosebump series he's still doing them.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh, I should check it out. I'm legitimately a little nervous,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
For anyone who isn't who hasn't seen these, hasn't read them, Uh,
they're kind of tricky to explain. So I hope we
did a decent job. But there's just a lot going on.
It makes sense when I'm watching them, I promise.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
But like, if you like campy series with little twists
and turns, and if you've already listened to it, you've
gotten spoiled completely, so sorry, but that's on you. We
told you. But it is as fun. It's a fun
little and for me, who hates gory movies slasher films,
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I actually enjoyed it. Of Course, the second time round
was more enjoyable because I knew what was to come,
so I would close my eyes or like ignored the
scene where it's completely deadly, but it's so over the
top that it didn't hmm. It was silly almost.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah. I think one of the things that struck me
about these movies a couple of things which we're going
to talk about in the themes in the second, But
I don't know, I knew what was gonna happen because
I feel like I read, I was looking up, you know,
best horror movies whatever, and everybody spoiled me on like
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the bread maker scene and the bread slicer scene.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, But it was just so sad because I liked everybody,
like they did a good job of making everybody very sympathetic,
almost everybody, and that you've.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Well, even Nick until the end you're like, oh, he
seems like a cool guy ish Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, which I think that's a hallmark of a really
good movie, is that it I was legitimate bombed, like
bombed to sound so trite, but I I was like, oh,
and then just hearing the narrative around shady Side and
shady Ciders as like, oh, well they bought it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They were selling drugs.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It was at their fault, right, was very upsetting, and
I think that that's it's a mark again that they
did a good job of making you care about these characters.
One of the biggest twists for me was they did
a they did an excellent little trickery in the second
one where you think see Berman is Cindy the whole time, right,
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because Gilli and Jacob's hair is brown when you see her,
and Cindy's hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman,
her hair is red.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And so that was one of the biggest like for me.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But yeah, let's let's get into some of the themes.
I think one of the big ones it makes me
sad that this is still something I'm like, oh wow.
But the fact that they centered the relationship between Dina
and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so much surprise
to me.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, And I think one of.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The scenes that sticks out to me the most is
when I think it's in the second one when Dina
is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love
her like just simply is like I love her, like
I can't just abandon her.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love her, right, And it was pretty I thought
it was pretty well done.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And to see it play out as the centerpiece of
this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive
friendships and.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Stuff, it was nice.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And to see it go all the way back to
sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Sort of love story through the ages.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Love story through the ages. Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
So one of the reasons is we mentioned that Dina
and Sam broke up was that Sam was closeted, like
she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of
part one and she kind of comes out publicly at
the end of part one in nineteen ninety four. So
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to see their relationship and the struggles of that and
all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know,
I just found it pretty pretty refreshing.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It didn't feel like they were baiting you or anything.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It just felt like, oh, no, these characters, they're in love,
and it felt.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Very they're just in a relationship and they're fighting industry.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Of course, they do kind of do the twist of
like you think that they're mad about them being with
the boy, and that they're like at the very beginning,
they do kind of try to do that to throw
you off but it doesn't feel like this is not
from a melgaze.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, And like if you go back to the sixteen
sixty six.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But even in present day, because I think they were
very clever in the actors they cast in who like
who did nineteen ninety four Simon play in and.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That you have these scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash
Dina and Sam kind of pissing off these men, men
who were getting angry at being rejected, that they're not
of interest to these women, and that sort of being
the whole thing or part of the whole thing that
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led to them being accused of witchcraft was just these
men were mad that they got rejected. And then there
was that whole scene of when they were checking it
was women primarily checking women for Marx in sixteen sixty six.
It was just like so humiliating, like they were taking
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off their clothes and looking for Marx on them. These
ways of asserting dominance, of power, of humiliating these women
when they felt so angry that they had been rejected
by these women. Right, and then on top of that
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we talked about this before too, just the like men
trying to keep power was throughout and all of this
with the Good family, but also yeah, certainly in sixteen
sixty six, where they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy
and how that is assumed it must be is a
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wish or an outsider or something bad, and therefore we
can blame everything on them, and we can kill them,
we can hang them, and things will be better.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think I appreciate that a depiction of witchcraft in
meaning like, hey, it wasn't these women and they just
use witchcraft as a way of like getting rid of
problematic what they see as women who don't abide by
normal standards. And so I thought that was interesting too,
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and a light that they twisted it like that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I thought that was a really good tape because
we've talked about that before. We talked about that in
The Bitch, where at the end she becomes a witch
because that's the only opportunity and available left to her,
like that's the only thing, And it was similar in this,
like Sarah was so desperate to say Hannah that she
was willing to, you know, make this pact and engage
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in dark magic, black magic, but that was like the
last path left to her after they'd been accused and
no one would believe them that it wasn't them. And
then and the very end before she's hanged, when she's like, oh, yeah,
I'm the witch.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I'm the witch.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
She did that to save the person she loves, so
they kind of pushed her into this path. Meanwhile, it's
a man the whole time doing the actual witchcraft. Hello yeah,
and uh, then you see the town blaming this wish,
blaming Sarah Fear for everything bad that's ever happened to them.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So it was nice to see like the discovery of
it wasn't her.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting
everybody know what was happening, which does apply to us.
That happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And just sort of the like biases we have where
you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name
I said his name is because his whole name is
because they have this whole like good is evil thing
at the end, yes, and then Fear yeah, yeah exactly,
and her name is Fear and just sort of those
things where we go in believing, oh she was a woman,
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she was a witch, it must have been her or
you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Can't be him?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Can't be him?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So does you? That flip is pretty rewarding.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And then, as we've talked about before, there's also the
theme of persecution throughout of Witches of Queerness, any outsiders,
because shady ciders are basically seen as outsiders, right, That's
how the town is painted, and the way people talk
about them is very like they're expendable.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
They brought it on themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
They can't just conform, and so it's their fault whatever's
happening to them. That's why the Witch is coming for them.
There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes, yes,
there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on last
time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes on
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this listener.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So y'all, it's a doozy.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It is quite a doozy. But just this.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
In sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt like they
couldn't be themselves and if they were true of themselves,
you'd be persecuted. And then it was this thing that
you felt like you had to punish yourself for, Like
if I just punish myself or if I feel guilty enough,
maybe I won't be queer anymore, or maybe I won't
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sin in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this religion that
they were all steeped in, that they all believed in,
there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth. I
would say, I don't think we talk about that enough either.
That it's very like, oh, you young people.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was
probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit
from from your right.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But there's a scene in in part one where Sam
Anddina go to the police and obviously Nick good when
you know how the ending goes, he had an ulterior motive,
but they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of
an unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive.
And one of the cops says to them, go find
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your boyfriends. Tell them you need to relax.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, I was like, I'm ready to punch this dude.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Now tell them you need to relax. Oh gross, gross,
gros gross. And then I think there's a lot to
unpack up the whole shady side versus sunny vil thing.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, because there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege and
legacy and this sort of idea of like the narrative
and you can't escape things that follow you.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Things follow you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So there's just so much of this feeling from people
on Shady Side like, oh, it's going to hang on
to me forever.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I'm never going to be able to escape this.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And that's also the narrative they're getting fed, is like
you can't get out of shady Side. So you have
like Kate and Simon selling drugs to save the get out.
You have Dina who sort of accepted this like doom
of shady Side.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You have Sam who quote got.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Out and is now you know, an outsider to them.
Just all of these instances where we see people feeling
like they're trapped in this situation. And then like you
got Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed her personality, like
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she won't swear, she got a polo, she tries to
be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend that is also
have implied that she didn't really like at all, right,
and she did all of that because it's like she
wanted to escape shady Side. But the it's it feels
like the message then is you can do everything right,
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but the systems in place betray you and blame you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And it's true, like you have.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
The authorities, the authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing
you so they can be rich and wealthy and happy,
and you're getting blamed for it even if you do
everything right right.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever
they are going after has a connection to someone that
they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them.
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I thought that, like he does the first one does,
the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship. Maybe that
was out of jealousy, let's be honest. So maybe that
was out of jealousy. Actually several of these could be
out of jealousy, to be fair. But like he does
the father of the daughter that your crush, I guess
the best way to say it is linked to or.
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But he doesn't know that. He just thinks they're best friends.
So I'm like, why would you do this? Why would
you Obviously he's gonna be in that proximity so she
might get killed. What the hell? Man?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I think That's a good point though, that a
lot of them were either and both not thought through
or it was out of jealousy, because I think Solomon
did have a thing for Sarah, and I think right
when she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll
share it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's
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the witch, even though he also was scared because she
coult out him, but like, right, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
No one would believe her who's already been accused of
being the witch.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I think a lot of it does have to do
with with jealousy, and that wasn't theme of dudes being
real mad women didn't do what they wanted them to do,
all right, But yeah, that's certainly certainly something I picked
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up on as well, and I did I did want
to include We talked about this earlier already, but I
did want to include the line like when Sarah says,
you know, they think they're guilty, so we are. They
want a witch, I'll give them a witch. And that's
that same idea of we're forcing there's only one way
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to move forward for these women when they've been persecuted,
is like you were making in this in this case,
they made the witch that they wanted, They made the
scapegoat that they wanted, which.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Is, and tell me if I'm wrong, most of the
movies that I've seen that are supposed to be historically
based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially,
they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches.
So if they say that are not and deny it,
they're going to be tortured until they say yes, and
then they'll be put out of their misery essentially in
a horrible death. So it was kind of like, what
did you want from that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I mean, and that's one of those things about those
the like Salem witch trials.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Where you know, they throw you in the water. If
you float, you're a witch. If you drown, you're not
a witch. But then you're dead.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're dead. So what's better man?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then another thing I wanted to touch on in
these is I did think they showcased a lot of
really supportive friendships that were refreshing.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I love in part one.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
When they all decide to stand up and to stand
with Sam even though she had recently broken up with Dina.
They were kind of mad at her, but they in
the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself, like, no,
were going to fight with you, And I just thought
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that was so nice. I'm so sad that they died
in the fight, but it was just nice to see
that they all came together and we're like, no, one
of us is in trouble.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We're all going to fight together to come up with
this plan.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And then they die horrible death and the brother gets
to hook up with a hot girl, which I was like,
that was unnecessary, but okay, whatever, but then she dies, yeah,
and then they forget her.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Well that I couldn't figure out because at first I
was like, so Simon and Cater together and I was like, oh,
it's so Kate and Josh. But then I was like,
this is Josh much younger than her. I don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't know how much younger. I think they're still teens.
Both of them are in teens, so it's not like
it's still weird because when you think of high school,
and I was like, I would never as a as
a junior. We never dine a freshman or so, you
know what I mean, unless it was a girl, a
younger girl with an older boy. That was okay, such
a weird complex.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Weird, it's something to pack in the future episode As
the whole thing, there were there were some threads of betrayal,
especially if you are talking about men betraying women, uh
in their lives of like Nick Good, I guess sort
of being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died but
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you know, was still wanting to be in her life,
or Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like
that there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping
each other. So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first,
in the end she ends up like really leaning in
and really being there, like I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna
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fight this guy.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And you know, in remembrance of her sister and who
she lost and of Alice, and.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Right, well, I think she's also mad because she got tricked.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, oh yeah, like he killed people, he did, and
she was grim opened up to him, yes, right, oh absolutely,
But it was nice to see like uh and and honestly,
like even Sarah Fear kind of reaching out over the all.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This time, like I'm still I'm going to get this guy.
I'm going to get this guy's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Like, I'm going to show everyone everyone, but they just
didn't get the message. It was convoluted.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in
that way.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, yes, well Juwan maybe not the Grudge, but I
think Juan is the one where she's actually trying to
warn them that the bad dudes.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, she still takes the she takes the one girl
in the bed. It was her.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, in the Grudge, it's her in.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
The it's her too. It's her face that you see
in the covers.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Oh, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I just know she's like the warning before the guy
comes to kill you. But everybody thought she was the warning.
Everybody thought she was the actual person.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
So maybe I'll have to go back and look at
this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the
Japanese version, when she looks in the comforts as her
as well and then she gets sucked in. So unless
they don't show that and they just imply it, but
that would be the same implication in the original American
Grudge with Sarah. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like that
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is not.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
No.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I feel like there's several of the like, oh my god,
we tried to tell you. I mean, there's episodes like
in Supernatural where they have that where the sister is
trying to warn about the other sister. They think it's
her because she's the one that's coming out. They burn
her body. Same thing with the mother trying to keep
the the meta episode where there's a Supernatural conference m
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and it turns out that the mother was trying to
keep the children at bay and she killed them because
he killed they had killed her son, and you don't
know the until after the fact.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It's a what did a common theme, and I think
a lot of it does rely on, as we said earlier,
that sort of knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so
it's her, like, we don't guess the benefit of the doubt,
we don't question any further, we don't investigate any further.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So it was nice to see in this that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
They were like, wait a minute, we should look into
this a bit more.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
She didn't do She just ended up touching.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Her exactly exactly, and then I did. I did like.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
The sisterhood between Yah, Ziggy and Cindy because they were
very different people. And their relationship was complex, but I
liked that in the end Cindy was like, it's I
am here for you. You are the person that I
want to be, I want to be with, and then
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seeing them reconcile. And I also liked seeing Cindy and
Alice reconcile, even though unfortunately Alice died soon.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
After, but I like to see the reconcile.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
There's so many things, of course, the ins and outs
of high school and being perfect that was a whole
different conversation in itself, and losing yourself because you're trying
you really think your situation is the problem, which I
think a lot of people think that in general, it
could be true. I don't they forget who they're leaving
behind as well.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I thought they did a pretty great job of portraying
the difficulties of that age and now the growing pains
of that age, and how that can impact your relationships
with your friends or your siblings or.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
What have you.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I also like your take on the fact that Zig,
the person who plays that character, plays that same character
in Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
When I was watching Stranger Things, I was like, is
she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died, what
was resurrected, and so now it's okay, oh wow, she is,
but she's.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Not dead yet. She's not resurrected quite yet.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Spoilers for a stranger face, oh dear.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And I just had to throw out there as somebody
who grew up with ekonomic code, I did appreciate the
economic code up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Oh,
the code they're saying at the end. So like if
you start like Hell three, for instance, and you just
put that in the menu, you win the game automatically.
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Really mm hmm, the economic code. Yeah, I love it.
I love the mention of it. I loved my nineties nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
It was very fun.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
You should.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, So if this is your thing, campy, slasher, fun
horror movies, but they are horror movies and they do
get kind of Cory does.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes also, and apparently,
by the way, as we were talking about rl Stein,
he said that that was a smart way to go,
because that's the only way he can end his books
or the fans rebel. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Uh yeah, then we recommend it, and for anybody out
there who has any suggestions on what we should do
for future Spoiled Saturdays, other horror movies we should watch.
Any thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or
the books.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Oh, remind me of the books because I've missed those books.
I think I need to go behind them.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yes, or your favorite goosebumps books. All of these things.
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Speaker 2 (00:06):
I never told you Protection of iHeartRadio, and today we
are bringing back another classic episode.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
It is just me. Samantha is off doing.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Some family stuff, but I thought, you know what we
should bring back as we are getting closer to Halloween
as this comes out another classic horror trilogy.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
Actually it's pretty recent.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
So this was the Spoiled Saturdays on Fear Street. And
there has been a new film to this series. I
have not seen it yet, so do not spoil me.
But this was a really fun one and we do
talk about all all three of the movies in this
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So hopefully if you're looking for some horror movies, we
are here for you and I if you need suggestions,
just write it and I will email you back. But yes,
please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie and
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Protection of iHeartRadio, and it's time for another edition of
Spoiled Saturdays. Today we are going to be talking about
the Afear Street trilogy which is on Netflix. So if
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you don't want to be spoiled, then I suggest that
you go and watch them and come back. I had
the pleasure of rewatching them yesterday for work. So it's
funny to be because when these movies came out, people
kept telling me you have to watch them, you have
to watch them, you love them. And I was like, yeah, yeah,
(02:10):
I'll get to them eventually, and when I did, I
did love them. And then I sort of like spread
it to other people, and I kept telling my friends like,
if you start, if you watch the first one, we're
gonna be up all night because you're gonna watch the
second one, and then you're gonna want to watch that
third one. And they all said, no, no, no, I'll be
good watching the first one.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
And then three.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
AM rolls all around and they're like, oh no, let's
watch the X. How did you discover them? What was
your first experience like?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
So, yeah, when I first watched it, I didn't know
what I was getting into. I loved the Fear Street
series that was originally released in the nineties, I believe
by R. L Stein, completely different. Obviously, this is a
whole different take, so I don't quite remember. I do
remember the sisters in the book, and I remember the
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traveling back and forth. If you remember the Fear Street
any of R. L Stein's books, like that first and foremost,
it was very sexual. For teenager reading these books, they
were really sexual. I was like, holy crap, yes, as
a repressed teen, give me this. So I feel like
they held to that one pretty closely. Outside of that,
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I was excited to see that I was radated r
or at least mature because for me, obviously again this
was a teen series. But you really can't get to
the essence of the book without all of that violence,
because you do read the violence in the book and
you're like, what is happening and you're gripped by it.
So love love love the book. Really excited that they
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took this point and made it different, but they still
had the fear Street fear sisters. I think there's only
one in this one, but the original is the fear
f I e r talking about how that went on.
The The name good also happens. I don't think in
the book, and this is how long it's been, there
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was anything about Sunnyville or Shady Side, so that's new
to me. Maybe tell me if I'm wrong. I feel
like it was a whole like back and forth with
a family, but not necessarily with like community. But I
could be wrong. It could be just something that slipped
from my mind. But yeah, watching the series delighted, love
to take it, had loved the flashbacks, love all that.
Speaker 2 (04:31):
Yeah, they're really really fun. I grew up reading Goosebumps.
I will tell you that used to scare me so
badly that I really don't remember them.
Speaker 1 (04:39):
Like my mind was like.
Speaker 3 (04:41):
Nope, one alien, dude, it was a bug.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
The one that like really terrified me was the one
where the kid got trapped in the mirror. He get
trapped in the mirror world and there was because you know,
I doppelgangers freaked me out, so like the doppelganger was
living his life and he could.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
Only see from the mirror.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Oh, listeners, if you have a favorite goo Stumps book,
please let us know.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Just remember the teacher that turns into a bug alien.
That's the one I remember. Goosebumps was not a mi Ali,
but yeah, I just remembered that one bug of like
what the hell?
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Yeah, we had we had all of them.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
We had like a little bookshelf and it just had
all the Goosebumps and I would stay up and I
wouldn't be able to sleep because they scared me so badly. Uh, well,
speaking of before we get into this. As always, as
it's made clear in recent episodes, if we ever recommend
a movie, please do your own research first.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Get mad.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
These are campy slasher movies and they can't get pretty graphic,
So just be aware before you go on this journey
if you haven't gone on it already. So we're gonna
run through the plot first, and then we're gonna break
down some of the themes as we usually do so.
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The Fear Street Trilogy is an American horror series based
on the Ralstein books, directed by Lee Janiek, who also
co wrote the scripts. They were released in July twenty
twenty one and they were pretty positively received. The movie
stuck Keana Madaria as Dina, Olivia Scott Welch as Sam,
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Benjamin Flora's Junior as Josh, Julia Redwall as Kate, fred
Heschinger as Simon, Ashley Zuckerman as Nick Good, and yes,
I put that last name in there for a reason,
Danielle Britt Gibson as Martin Gillian Jacobs, I believe that's
how she pronounces it. And Sadie Sink as c Ziggie
Berman and Maya Hawk as Heather and that's just a
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few because this is three movies spanning across multiple decades
and centuries. So yes, yes, they follow a group of
teenagers in the cursed town of Shady Side, and this
is a curse that has died for hundreds of years.
The films trace the curse backwards as the group searches
(07:05):
for the source of it, with the third act of
the third movie bringing the viewer back to modern day
to confront the curse.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
So that's why when I was telling my.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
Friends, like, once we start, you're not gonna want to
start because you start. And then the first one ends
with like, but if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
And then oh, if we go back, maybe we'll learn more.
It's kind of like a mystery, like like, oh, I
got to get to the bottom of what's.
Speaker 1 (07:28):
Going on here.
Speaker 2 (07:31):
So let's start with part one, which takes place in
nineteen ninety four. And let me just say, oh, the nineties,
the nineties, the music.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
The technology.
Speaker 2 (07:45):
Okay, it makes me every time I watch it, I'm like,
oh yeah, these songs, I remember, oh yeah, these technologies.
I remember all the old Internet message boards, all of
that stuff. So the first one opens with a teenager
murdered by her friend Ryan in Shady Side Mall, which
is this is filmed in Georgia and it's the same
(08:08):
place they film Stranger Things. So if you saw that,
mom and were like, huh, looks familiar, it's because it
was filmed in the same place that I have been there.
You have been there that very cheap movie matinees. Yes, yes,
several others are killed before the murderer is shot and
killed himself by Sheriff Nick Good, and then he just
(08:28):
kinds of treats this whole thing. I'm like, shady ciders suck.
They deserve it. This has happened before. It's Shady Side
is called murder capital of the US. They are often
negatively compared to the neighboring town Sunny Vale, which is
just doing so well, thanks for asking, and is often
referred to as one of the safest and wealthiest places
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to live in the country. The local legend is that
a witch executed in sixteen sixty six named Sarah here
and yes, that's fi Er is to blame for the
curse on Shady Side and the resulting murders that have
happened there. Teenager Dina does not believe in the legend
and just sort of thinks Shady Side sucks, like it's
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just a bad place to be. She recently broke up
with her girlfriend Sam, who is now dating a boy
from Sunny Vale. Her brother Josh, meanwhile, not only believes
the legend but spends a lot of time online researching it.
Dina's friends Simon and Kate are trying to raise enough
money to get out of Shady Side by selling drugs.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Yeah, and then a fight breaks out between Shady Siders
and Sunny Vailers out of vigil for the victims of
the murder. Obviously, this happens a lot. Sam's boyfriend Peter
Tailgate's a bus full of Shady Siders, and Dina, angry
at Sam for the breakup at the fact that she
is a Sunny Veiler, now prepares to throw a cooler
out the back of the bus at the car, but
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gets a nosebleed and stops, and though the cooler still
falls out and hits the car, a car crashes and
Sam sees a vision of Sarah fear before she's hospitalized.
After seeing a handful of creepy figures. That night, Dina
and the gang start to suspect that they're being stalked
by Sunny Baylor's Peter, specifically because he's a dick. They
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go to confront him at the hospital, but one of
the stalkers kills Peter oh No and several others at
the hospital, and it is gruesome. They managed to unmask him.
It turns out it's Ryan the Dead Ryan. Sam and
Dina try to tell the police what's going on, but
with no success, and Simon is attacked by Ruby Lane,
who went on a murdering spree in Shady Side in
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nineteen sixty five. Also dead, Also dead.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Yes, this is when you have one of my favorite
scenes in the movie where it's like the kind of
research montage and Josh is.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Like ruby Lane nineteen sixty five.
Speaker 2 (10:45):
Like he's putting downe all these yes, vak articulous.
Speaker 1 (10:48):
I love those scenes in horror movies.
Speaker 2 (10:51):
The crew realizes that Sam's car crash disturbed Sarah fears bones,
and that Sam bleeding on them somehow resurrected several of
Shady Sides previous killers. They tried to put her spirit
to rest by giving her by giving her a proper burial,
but the camp night Wing killer who's killer from nineteen
seventy eight in Shady Side attacks them before they can succeed.
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They also realize that these killers are only after Sam
and that her blood attracts them, so they try to
trick the killers and burn them using Sam's blood, but
burning them doesn't stop them to kind of just resurrect.
Despite Dina's protest, the group, including Sam, decides that Sam
has to be sacrificed, but they change their minds when
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they learn that See Burman, the Camp night Wing survivor,
died and was resuscitated, so they then try to contact
Sea Burman but are unable to reach her, so they
come up with a plan to use drugs to temporarily
kill Sam and then bring her back to life. Josh, Simon,
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and Kate try to keep the killers at bay, but
Simon and Kate are killed in the process with Sam's permission,
and Dina drowned Sam, causing the killers to vanish, and
then revives her.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
And then the police, of course pin the blame on
Simon and Kate since they sold drugs those bad kids.
The Surviving crew pushes back on that story. Sam and
Dina make up and come out publicly as a couple.
Which was a big part of why they broke up.
It seems like everything is going to be just fine
until Dina gets a call from See Burma telling her
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there's no escape from the witch. Sam, now possessed, attacks
Dina until Dina manages to subdue her and tie her
up with the phone court I believe.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Right, yeah, with the you know, our old landline phones
that we used in the nineties. But so, yeah, this
is how the first part is.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
So you're like, oh, well, go god. I watched the
second one.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
That brings us to part two, which is Fear Street
nineteen seventy eight, and this one focuses on the massacre
at Camp Nightwing in nineteen seventy eight. Dina and Josh,
with a restrained Sam, find see Berman and ask her
to tell them what happened there, and she reluctantly agrees,
and it's sort of the Most of the rest of
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the film cuts to flashback of the story. So, after
being accused of stealing by Sunny Railers at Camp Nightwing
in nineteen seventy eight, Shady Cider, an outcast Ziggy Berman,
is accused of witchcraft. The Sunny Vailors hang her up
at a tree and burn her arm before some camp counselors,
one of them, Nick Good, intervene.
Speaker 3 (13:46):
So Meanwhile, her sister Cindy, who was determined that if
she is close to perfect as she can get, she
can escape shady size reputation, and Cindy's boyfriend Tommy are
a dive by Nurse Lane. What Ruby Lane's mother, one
of Z's only allies. Very kind, kind of odd as
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they put in, the police take Nurse Layanne into custody
and the Sunny Baylor's blame the curse, believing that the
witch possessed. Nurse Laane and her daughter, Cindy and Tommy
check out the infirmary and run into a former friend
of Cindy's named Alice and her boyfriend Arnie. Uh. I
believe it is Alice the one have you ever seen
doctor sleep?
Speaker 1 (14:29):
I have?
Speaker 3 (14:30):
Is that her in there?
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I can't remember, but I will tell you. When I
was watching it yesterday, I was like, oh, I've seen
her and something before her.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Anyway, keep going, which would put her in two big
uh horror franchises with big author names. That's interesting. They
find a map to Sarah Fair's house and Nurse Lane's diary,
where she claims that Sarah Fear made a deal with
the devil for eternal life by cutting off her hand
on Satan's stone. U They investigate the house and discover
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empty graves dug by nurse Lane and a witch's mark.
Under the house, Alice and Cindy find a wall engraved
with the names of all the past Shady Side killers
and Tommy's name, and then it possessed. Tommy kills Arnie
and attempts to kill Cindy and Alice, but they are
able to lose him. In the caves under the house,
they find a pile of organs that seem to be alive.
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It is really grows and grotesque, and after Alice touches them,
she sees visions of past killers and victims. Alice hurstleg
and she and Cindy make up and work together to
find a potential exit under the camp's outhouse.
Speaker 2 (15:36):
Boom Yes, And as all of this is going on,
a Ziggy and Nick play a prank on the Sunny Valors,
who accuse Ziggy of witchcraft in the beginning, and the
two grow closer and eventually kiss. Tommy kills several campers
and a counselor, and Ziggy and another counselor try to
rescue Cindy and Alice from the outhouse, but Tommy kills
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the counselor and forces Ziggy to flee. Her and Nick
hide from Tommy, but they are discovered and Tommy injures Nick.
Ziggy is attacked by Tommy, but Cindy arrives and kills him.
And this is after Alice was like could you ever
kill him? And Cindy was like, no, never. Alice tells
the group she found the witch's hand buried near Satan's stone.
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They decide to reunite the witch's hand and her body
in the hopes that it will end the curse. Ziggy
gets some blood on the hand and has a vision
of Sarah Fere, which resurrects all of the Shady Side killers. Tommy,
now reanimated, kills Alice before Cindy decapitates him. The killer's
chase Ziggy and Cindy to the tree where Sarah Fear
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was hanged, digging around the tree in search of her body. However,
all they find is a rock that says the Witch
Forever lives. Cindy sacrifices herself after realizing the killers are
only after Ziggy, but they are both killed, causing the
killers to disappear, but Nick arrives and uses a CPR
to revive Ziggy or her real name, Christine Berman.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
When she finishes the story, the teenagers tell her they
found the body and keet in the curse by reuniting
the witch with her hand. They go to the mall,
which was built on where Camp night Wing used to be,
and dug up the hand from the under from under
the still standing tree, which seemed kind of odd. They
go back to the body and reunited with the hand,
causing Dina's nose to bleed and for her to have
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a vision from sixteen sixty six where she is now
Sarah Fear.
Speaker 1 (17:33):
Yep, and that's her Part two winds. So you're like, oh, well,
I guess I gotta go on. You continue.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Yes, So this brings us to part three, which is
sixteen sixty six slash nineteen ninety four Part two, but
it is set primarily in sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
The interesting thing.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
About this is the actors are kind of reprising their
roles as these care from sixteen sixty six, Like, it's
not actually Dina, it's Sarah Fear. But the actress who
plays Dina plays Sarah fear from her perspective, yeah yeah, exactly.
Sarah lives with her brother and father and union the
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land that would later be split into Shady Side. In
Sunny Vale, Sarah and her friends Hannah which is the
same actress who plays Sam and Lizzie, meet up with
a reclusive widow in order to get berries for an
upcoming party.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
It's very heavily implied that those berries are.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
Psychedelic in some nature, and Sarah finds a book of
black magic. Later at the party, a man named Caleb
harasses Sarah and Hannah, and they leave, thinking they are alone.
They have an intimate moment together, but they are witnessed
by Matt Thomas. The following day, the preacher, who is
Hannah's father, begins to exhibit strange behavior, and the town
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supplies of food and water are poisoned. Everyone's on edge,
and Sarah wonders to her friend Solomon Good if all
the bad things happening in the town are her fault.
Speaker 3 (19:04):
So the pastor murders twelve children, which is gruesome by
the way, including Sarah's brother, and attacks Sarah before Solomon
kills him. The town has a meeting and concludes whichcraft
must be to blame, and Caleb claims Sarah and Hannah
as the witches behind the whole thing. No bitterness there.
Sarah manages to escape, but the townspeople capture Hannah and
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plan to execute her. In the morning, Sarah sneaks in
to see Hannah and the two affirm their love for
each other. To save Hannah, Sarah goes to the widow's
house to retrieve the Book of black Magic. She says
she's willing to make this deal with it, but devil
but discovers the widow murdered and the book gone. She
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has the Solomon's house and hides because the townspeople show
up looking for her. There, she finds a tunnel under
the house that lead to evidence of a ritual and
the widow's book Dum Dum Dum. Solomon confesses he stole
the book to perform a ritual allowing for the pastor
to be possessed in exchange for wealth and power, which
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he offers to share with Sarah so nice. She refuses
and he attacks her and she loses her hand in
the fight. Solomon in the townspeople capture her in a
desperate attempt to save Hannah because he Solomon has now
blamed her and excusing her for the being a witch.
Sarah declares that she is the witch. Hannah is spared,
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and before she dies, Sarah swears vengeance on Solomon. Hannah
and the others return later to properly bury her body
away from the tree. Away from the tree. Yeah, and
then we come back to nineteen ninety four. Diana tells
the others that the Goods are the ones behind the
Shady Side cursed, the firstborn of every generation, continuing the
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rituals started by Solomon, which is also why Sunny Felt prospers.
Dina and Josh are discovered by Nick Good, but get away. They,
along with Ziggy, decided that they have to kill Nick
to end the curse. They lured Nick to the mall,
battle it out with the Shady Side Killers and trick
them into attacking Nick by marking him with Dina's blood
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lots of blood. He manages to escape into the tunnels,
but Dina and still possess Sam pursue him. Sam attacks
Dina but snaps enough out of the possession for Dina
to get away. She confronts Nick and they fight Nick
almost kills Dina, but she forces him to touch the
beating organs, causing him to see the visions of the
victims of the killers, allowing for Dina to kill him.
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Finally breaking the curs, Dina and Sam reunite, Ziggie and
Nurslain reunite. Josh makes his online friend in person. Very cute.
The Good Family is exposed. Happy ending or is it.
There's a post credit scenes show someone taking the Witch's
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Book from the tunnels, which I still confuse why they
left it down there.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Yeah, they had a lot going on.
Speaker 3 (22:12):
I guess they did. Katy Dubbs apparently R. L Stein
really liked this rendition. He did say that though it's
nothing like his book, it held to the spirit of
his stories, and he really liked the adaptation.
Speaker 1 (22:28):
That makes me happy.
Speaker 2 (22:29):
I feel like that's one of the I know we've
been talking about this recently because we've gotten to hear
some of your passions of books and adaptions.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
I feel like, if it sticks to the spirit of it.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I'm not generally one of those people that's like put
in the book, but if you kind of deviate from
the spirit or characters drastically, that's when I'm like, but
wait a.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Minute, right, So he was talking about but at least
they kept the characters and they understood the curses of
that what's happening, So he appreciated it. He appreciated the
storytelling and the flips, So you know, that's great. Apparently
he's still writing. Did you know that? I did not
know that this Goosebump series he's still doing them.
Speaker 1 (23:07):
Oh, I should check it out. I'm legitimately a little nervous,
and I think.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
For anyone who isn't who hasn't seen these, hasn't read them, Uh,
they're kind of tricky to explain. So I hope we
did a decent job. But there's just a lot going on.
It makes sense when I'm watching them, I promise.
Speaker 3 (23:31):
But like, if you like campy series with little twists
and turns, and if you've already listened to it, you've
gotten spoiled completely, so sorry, but that's on you. We
told you. But it is as fun. It's a fun
little and for me, who hates gory movies slasher films,
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I actually enjoyed it. Of Course, the second time round
was more enjoyable because I knew what was to come,
so I would close my eyes or like ignored the
scene where it's completely deadly, but it's so over the
top that it didn't hmm. It was silly almost.
Speaker 2 (24:08):
Yeah. I think one of the things that struck me
about these movies a couple of things which we're going
to talk about in the themes in the second, But
I don't know, I knew what was gonna happen because
I feel like I read, I was looking up, you know,
best horror movies whatever, and everybody spoiled me on like
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the bread maker scene and the bread slicer scene.
Speaker 1 (24:34):
If you've seen it, you know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 2 (24:36):
Yeah, But it was just so sad because I liked everybody,
like they did a good job of making everybody very sympathetic,
almost everybody, and that you've.
Speaker 3 (24:48):
Well, even Nick until the end you're like, oh, he
seems like a cool guy ish Yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, which I think that's a hallmark of a really
good movie, is that it I was legitimate bombed, like
bombed to sound so trite, but I I was like, oh,
and then just hearing the narrative around shady Side and
shady Ciders as like, oh, well they bought it.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
They were selling drugs.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It was at their fault, right, was very upsetting, and
I think that that's it's a mark again that they
did a good job of making you care about these characters.
One of the biggest twists for me was they did
a they did an excellent little trickery in the second
one where you think see Berman is Cindy the whole time, right,
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because Gilli and Jacob's hair is brown when you see her,
and Cindy's hair is brown, and Sadie Sink as Ziggie Berman,
her hair is red.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
And so that was one of the biggest like for me.
Speaker 2 (25:53):
But yeah, let's let's get into some of the themes.
I think one of the big ones it makes me
sad that this is still something I'm like, oh wow.
But the fact that they centered the relationship between Dina
and Sam, which is a gay relationship, so much surprise
to me.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Yeah, And I think one of.
Speaker 2 (26:13):
The scenes that sticks out to me the most is
when I think it's in the second one when Dina
is talking to Ziggy and says like, but I love
her like just simply is like I love her, like
I can't just abandon her.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
I love her, right, And it was pretty I thought
it was pretty well done.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
And to see it play out as the centerpiece of
this along with you know, you're supporting very very supportive
friendships and.
Speaker 1 (26:42):
Stuff, it was nice.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
And to see it go all the way back to
sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 1 (26:50):
Sort of love story through the ages.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Love story through the ages. Yes.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
So one of the reasons is we mentioned that Dina
and Sam broke up was that Sam was closeted, like
she wasn't open about her sexuality in the beginning of
part one and she kind of comes out publicly at
the end of part one in nineteen ninety four. So
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to see their relationship and the struggles of that and
all these things that they're dealing with, I don't know,
I just found it pretty pretty refreshing.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
It didn't feel like they were baiting you or anything.
Speaker 2 (27:36):
It just felt like, oh, no, these characters, they're in love,
and it felt.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Very they're just in a relationship and they're fighting industry.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3 (27:45):
Of course, they do kind of do the twist of
like you think that they're mad about them being with
the boy, and that they're like at the very beginning,
they do kind of try to do that to throw
you off but it doesn't feel like this is not
from a melgaze.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
No, And like if you go back to the sixteen
sixty six.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
But even in present day, because I think they were
very clever in the actors they cast in who like
who did nineteen ninety four Simon play in and.
Speaker 1 (28:14):
Sixteen sixty six.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
That you have these scenes of Hannah and Sarah slash
Dina and Sam kind of pissing off these men, men
who were getting angry at being rejected, that they're not
of interest to these women, and that sort of being
the whole thing or part of the whole thing that
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led to them being accused of witchcraft was just these
men were mad that they got rejected. And then there
was that whole scene of when they were checking it
was women primarily checking women for Marx in sixteen sixty six.
It was just like so humiliating, like they were taking
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off their clothes and looking for Marx on them. These
ways of asserting dominance, of power, of humiliating these women
when they felt so angry that they had been rejected
by these women. Right, and then on top of that
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we talked about this before too, just the like men
trying to keep power was throughout and all of this
with the Good family, but also yeah, certainly in sixteen
sixty six, where they anybody who's messing with the patriarchy
and how that is assumed it must be is a
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wish or an outsider or something bad, and therefore we
can blame everything on them, and we can kill them,
we can hang them, and things will be better.
Speaker 3 (29:49):
I think I appreciate that a depiction of witchcraft in
meaning like, hey, it wasn't these women and they just
use witchcraft as a way of like getting rid of
problematic what they see as women who don't abide by
normal standards. And so I thought that was interesting too,
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and a light that they twisted it like that.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yeah, I thought that was a really good tape because
we've talked about that before. We talked about that in
The Bitch, where at the end she becomes a witch
because that's the only opportunity and available left to her,
like that's the only thing, And it was similar in this,
like Sarah was so desperate to say Hannah that she
was willing to, you know, make this pact and engage
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in dark magic, black magic, but that was like the
last path left to her after they'd been accused and
no one would believe them that it wasn't them. And
then and the very end before she's hanged, when she's like, oh, yeah,
I'm the witch.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
I'm the witch.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
She did that to save the person she loves, so
they kind of pushed her into this path. Meanwhile, it's
a man the whole time doing the actual witchcraft. Hello yeah,
and uh, then you see the town blaming this wish,
blaming Sarah Fear for everything bad that's ever happened to them.
Speaker 1 (31:13):
So it was nice to see like the discovery of
it wasn't her.
Speaker 3 (31:17):
You're right, she was trying to protect everyone by letting
everybody know what was happening, which does apply to us.
That happens a lot.
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Mm hmm. Yeah, that's true. That's true.
Speaker 2 (31:28):
And just sort of the like biases we have where
you know, you kind of the reason Nick Good's name
I said his name is because his whole name is
because they have this whole like good is evil thing
at the end, yes, and then Fear yeah, yeah exactly,
and her name is Fear and just sort of those
things where we go in believing, oh she was a woman,
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she was a witch, it must have been her or
you know, he's an upstanding citizen, his name is good.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Can't be him?
Speaker 3 (31:58):
Can't be him?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
So does you? That flip is pretty rewarding.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
And then, as we've talked about before, there's also the
theme of persecution throughout of Witches of Queerness, any outsiders,
because shady ciders are basically seen as outsiders, right, That's
how the town is painted, and the way people talk
about them is very like they're expendable.
Speaker 1 (32:36):
They brought it on themselves.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
They can't just conform, and so it's their fault whatever's
happening to them. That's why the Witch is coming for them.
There's a lot of stuff around trauma in these Yes, yes,
there's religious trauma. I think I picked up on last
time I was watching it. We have upcoming episodes on
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this listener.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
So y'all, it's a doozy.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
It is quite a doozy. But just this.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
In sixteen sixty six where they everybody felt like they
couldn't be themselves and if they were true of themselves,
you'd be persecuted. And then it was this thing that
you felt like you had to punish yourself for, Like
if I just punish myself or if I feel guilty enough,
maybe I won't be queer anymore, or maybe I won't
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sin in heavy quotes anymore. Based on this religion that
they were all steeped in, that they all believed in,
there is certainly the whole dismissing women and youth. I
would say, I don't think we talk about that enough either.
That it's very like, oh, you young people.
Speaker 3 (33:53):
I love how they made this nurse Lane, who was
probably younger than me or my age, looks so decrepit
from from your right.
Speaker 1 (34:05):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
But there's a scene in in part one where Sam
Anddina go to the police and obviously Nick good when
you know how the ending goes, he had an ulterior motive,
but they were very dismissive. It was quite kind of
an unbelievable story. But still they were very very dismissive.
And one of the cops says to them, go find
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your boyfriends. Tell them you need to relax.
Speaker 1 (34:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (34:35):
Yeah yeah, I was like, I'm ready to punch this dude.
Speaker 2 (34:37):
Now tell them you need to relax. Oh gross, gross,
gros gross. And then I think there's a lot to
unpack up the whole shady side versus sunny vil thing.
Speaker 1 (34:51):
Yeah, because there's a lot of.
Speaker 2 (34:54):
Interesting discussion I think we could have around privilege and
legacy and this sort of idea of like the narrative
and you can't escape things that follow you.
Speaker 1 (35:04):
Things follow you.
Speaker 2 (35:05):
So there's just so much of this feeling from people
on Shady Side like, oh, it's going to hang on
to me forever.
Speaker 1 (35:12):
I'm never going to be able to escape this.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And that's also the narrative they're getting fed, is like
you can't get out of shady Side. So you have
like Kate and Simon selling drugs to save the get out.
You have Dina who sort of accepted this like doom
of shady Side.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
You have Sam who quote got.
Speaker 2 (35:31):
Out and is now you know, an outsider to them.
Just all of these instances where we see people feeling
like they're trapped in this situation. And then like you
got Cindy, who it's implied heavily changed her personality, like
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she won't swear, she got a polo, she tries to
be perfect, she dates this perfect boyfriend that is also
have implied that she didn't really like at all, right,
and she did all of that because it's like she
wanted to escape shady Side. But the it's it feels
like the message then is you can do everything right,
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but the systems in place betray you and blame you.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
And it's true, like you have.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
The authorities, the authority in the town who's essentially sacrificing
you so they can be rich and wealthy and happy,
and you're getting blamed for it even if you do
everything right right.
Speaker 3 (36:36):
I did find it interesting that, of course good whoever
they are going after has a connection to someone that
they care about, so you're like, obviously they're gonna kill them.
What is wrong with you?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
I thought that, like he does the first one does,
the pastor whose daughter is in a relationship. Maybe that
was out of jealousy, let's be honest. So maybe that
was out of jealousy. Actually several of these could be
out of jealousy, to be fair. But like he does
the father of the daughter that your crush, I guess
the best way to say it is linked to or.
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But he doesn't know that. He just thinks they're best friends.
So I'm like, why would you do this? Why would
you Obviously he's gonna be in that proximity so she
might get killed. What the hell? Man?
Speaker 2 (37:18):
Yeah, I think That's a good point though, that a
lot of them were either and both not thought through
or it was out of jealousy, because I think Solomon
did have a thing for Sarah, and I think right
when she kind of spurned his deal of oh, i'll
share it with you, that's when he said, oh, she's
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the witch, even though he also was scared because she
coult out him, but like, right, and then.
Speaker 3 (37:45):
No one would believe her who's already been accused of
being the witch.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
It's true, It's true.
Speaker 2 (37:51):
I think a lot of it does have to do
with with jealousy, and that wasn't theme of dudes being
real mad women didn't do what they wanted them to do,
all right, But yeah, that's certainly certainly something I picked
(38:12):
up on as well, and I did I did want
to include We talked about this earlier already, but I
did want to include the line like when Sarah says,
you know, they think they're guilty, so we are. They
want a witch, I'll give them a witch. And that's
that same idea of we're forcing there's only one way
(38:36):
to move forward for these women when they've been persecuted,
is like you were making in this in this case,
they made the witch that they wanted, They made the
scapegoat that they wanted, which.
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Is, and tell me if I'm wrong, most of the
movies that I've seen that are supposed to be historically
based where the witches are not witches, but they're being blamed. Essentially,
they're just going to be tortured until they admit their witches.
So if they say that are not and deny it,
they're going to be tortured until they say yes, and
then they'll be put out of their misery essentially in
a horrible death. So it was kind of like, what
did you want from that? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (39:11):
I mean, and that's one of those things about those
the like Salem witch trials.
Speaker 1 (39:17):
Where you know, they throw you in the water. If
you float, you're a witch. If you drown, you're not
a witch. But then you're dead.
Speaker 3 (39:25):
You're dead. So what's better man?
Speaker 1 (39:28):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (39:30):
And then another thing I wanted to touch on in
these is I did think they showcased a lot of
really supportive friendships that were refreshing.
Speaker 1 (39:39):
I love in part one.
Speaker 2 (39:42):
When they all decide to stand up and to stand
with Sam even though she had recently broken up with Dina.
They were kind of mad at her, but they in
the end, especially after she agreed to sacrifice herself, like, no,
were going to fight with you, And I just thought
(40:02):
that was so nice. I'm so sad that they died
in the fight, but it was just nice to see
that they all came together and we're like, no, one
of us is in trouble.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
We're all going to fight together to come up with
this plan.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
And then they die horrible death and the brother gets
to hook up with a hot girl, which I was like,
that was unnecessary, but okay, whatever, but then she dies, yeah,
and then they forget her.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Well that I couldn't figure out because at first I
was like, so Simon and Cater together and I was like, oh,
it's so Kate and Josh. But then I was like,
this is Josh much younger than her. I don't know
what's going on.
Speaker 3 (40:41):
I don't know how much younger. I think they're still teens.
Both of them are in teens, so it's not like
it's still weird because when you think of high school,
and I was like, I would never as a as
a junior. We never dine a freshman or so, you
know what I mean, unless it was a girl, a
younger girl with an older boy. That was okay, such
a weird complex.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Weird, it's something to pack in the future episode As
the whole thing, there were there were some threads of betrayal,
especially if you are talking about men betraying women, uh
in their lives of like Nick Good, I guess sort
of being okay that everybody Ziggy cared about died but
(41:21):
you know, was still wanting to be in her life,
or Solomon Good with a similar thing. I do like
that there's that threat of multiple generations of women helping
each other. So even though Ziggy is really hesitant at first,
in the end she ends up like really leaning in
and really being there, like I'm gonna, yeah, I'm gonna
(41:43):
fight this guy.
Speaker 1 (41:45):
And you know, in remembrance of her sister and who
she lost and of Alice, and.
Speaker 3 (41:50):
Right, well, I think she's also mad because she got tricked.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, oh yeah, like he killed people, he did, and
she was grim opened up to him, yes, right, oh absolutely,
But it was nice to see like uh and and honestly,
like even Sarah Fear kind of reaching out over the all.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
This time, like I'm still I'm going to get this guy.
I'm going to get this guy's.
Speaker 3 (42:15):
Like, I'm going to show everyone everyone, but they just
didn't get the message. It was convoluted.
Speaker 1 (42:22):
It was convoluted. It's very similar to The Grudge in
that way.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, yes, well Juwan maybe not the Grudge, but I
think Juan is the one where she's actually trying to
warn them that the bad dudes.
Speaker 3 (42:34):
No, she still takes the she takes the one girl
in the bed. It was her.
Speaker 1 (42:39):
Well, in the Grudge, it's her in.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
The it's her too. It's her face that you see
in the covers.
Speaker 1 (42:45):
Oh, I don't remember.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
I just know she's like the warning before the guy
comes to kill you. But everybody thought she was the warning.
Everybody thought she was the actual person.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
So maybe I'll have to go back and look at
this because if I remember correctly, in the Asian the
Japanese version, when she looks in the comforts as her
as well and then she gets sucked in. So unless
they don't show that and they just imply it, but
that would be the same implication in the original American
Grudge with Sarah. Yes, it's like Jessica Parker like that
(43:16):
is not.
Speaker 2 (43:18):
No.
Speaker 3 (43:24):
I feel like there's several of the like, oh my god,
we tried to tell you. I mean, there's episodes like
in Supernatural where they have that where the sister is
trying to warn about the other sister. They think it's
her because she's the one that's coming out. They burn
her body. Same thing with the mother trying to keep
the the meta episode where there's a Supernatural conference m
(43:48):
and it turns out that the mother was trying to
keep the children at bay and she killed them because
he killed they had killed her son, and you don't
know the until after the fact.
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that's it.
Speaker 2 (43:59):
It's a what did a common theme, and I think
a lot of it does rely on, as we said earlier,
that sort of knee jerk. Oh she's the witch, so
it's her, like, we don't guess the benefit of the doubt,
we don't question any further, we don't investigate any further.
Speaker 1 (44:16):
So it was nice to see in this that.
Speaker 2 (44:18):
They were like, wait a minute, we should look into
this a bit more.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
She didn't do She just ended up touching.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Her exactly exactly, and then I did. I did like.
Speaker 2 (44:32):
The sisterhood between Yah, Ziggy and Cindy because they were
very different people. And their relationship was complex, but I
liked that in the end Cindy was like, it's I
am here for you. You are the person that I
want to be, I want to be with, and then
(44:54):
seeing them reconcile. And I also liked seeing Cindy and
Alice reconcile, even though unfortunately Alice died soon.
Speaker 1 (45:02):
After, but I like to see the reconcile.
Speaker 3 (45:06):
There's so many things, of course, the ins and outs
of high school and being perfect that was a whole
different conversation in itself, and losing yourself because you're trying
you really think your situation is the problem, which I
think a lot of people think that in general, it
could be true. I don't they forget who they're leaving
behind as well.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I thought they did a pretty great job of portraying
the difficulties of that age and now the growing pains
of that age, and how that can impact your relationships
with your friends or your siblings or.
Speaker 1 (45:42):
What have you.
Speaker 3 (45:43):
I also like your take on the fact that Zig,
the person who plays that character, plays that same character
in Stranger Things.
Speaker 1 (45:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (45:51):
When I was watching Stranger Things, I was like, is
she gonna do literally the same? Oh, she died, what
was resurrected, and so now it's okay, oh wow, she is,
but she's.
Speaker 3 (46:01):
Not dead yet. She's not resurrected quite yet.
Speaker 2 (46:05):
Spoilers for a stranger face, oh dear.
Speaker 3 (46:11):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
And I just had to throw out there as somebody
who grew up with ekonomic code, I did appreciate the
economic code up, down, down, left, right, left, right. Oh,
the code they're saying at the end. So like if
you start like Hell three, for instance, and you just
put that in the menu, you win the game automatically.
(46:32):
Really mm hmm, the economic code. Yeah, I love it.
I love the mention of it. I loved my nineties nostalgia.
Speaker 1 (46:42):
It was very fun.
Speaker 3 (46:45):
You should.
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Yeah, So if this is your thing, campy, slasher, fun
horror movies, but they are horror movies and they do
get kind of Cory does.
Speaker 3 (46:56):
Have a quote unquote happy ending. Yes also, and apparently,
by the way, as we were talking about rl Stein,
he said that that was a smart way to go,
because that's the only way he can end his books
or the fans rebel. So there you go.
Speaker 1 (47:13):
Oh my gosh, I believe it. I believe it.
Speaker 2 (47:17):
Uh yeah, then we recommend it, and for anybody out
there who has any suggestions on what we should do
for future Spoiled Saturdays, other horror movies we should watch.
Any thoughts about these that we didn't touch on, or
the books.
Speaker 3 (47:30):
Oh, remind me of the books because I've missed those books.
I think I need to go behind them.
Speaker 2 (47:34):
Yes, or your favorite goosebumps books. All of these things.
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