SMNTY Classics: Sex and the City and SMNTY

In light of the ending of the reboot of Sex and the City, Anney and Samantha look into the feminism of the show, the characters, and its legacy in this classic.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
I'm welcome to stuff. I never told you are protection
if I heared you and today I thought I would
bring back this is an oldie kind of uh on
when we first talked about Sex and City on this

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show before we'd like started our journey watching it, which,
by the way, we started in November twenty twenty one.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
We're only in season three, aren't we.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
Yeah, slow rowing, but we're moving along.

Speaker 3 (00:45):
Is this our ode to the fact that and just
like that just got canceled?

Speaker 4 (00:48):
Annie?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Yes, well I don't know if it was canceled, but
it's over. I don't know the specific details. Sure, yes, yes,
but also we haven't been able to do our watch
episodes of Sex in the City in a while, but
rest shirt, we have not forgotten. It will come back.

(01:11):
I'm going to really have to rack my brains for
when you ask me what happened.

Speaker 1 (01:15):
I'm gonna have to give you a huge heads up.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Because I don't usually look it up, but I might
have to. That could be funny. I'm not gonna.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
Remember either, because I can't remember what episode was.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
No, but yes, we will return to it, and it's
always fun to hear from you all about this and
about the impact it had on you what character you are,
and this was kind of the beginning of that.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
So please enjoy this classic episode.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha. How come to stuff
I've never told you? Production of iHeartRadio. So today I'm
very excited about what we're talking about. We are talking
about Sex and the City because, as a lot of

(02:11):
you probably heard, it is getting an HBO mini series
reboot seventeen years after it ended. Also, as you've probably heard,
Kim Cattrall's not going to be in it, but we
thought we would take a look at the show. And
I'm very excited about this for a lot of reasons.
But one of them is Samantha and I are coming
from very different places. So I have very little experience

(02:33):
with this, and you, Samantha, you have a lot. And
I wanted to ask as the question for the day,
like when did you get into Sex and the City,
Like how did it get on your radar?

Speaker 4 (02:43):
That whole thing.

Speaker 3 (02:43):
Okay, so just go ahead and preface this. This is
where our age difference is very obvious. Our interest for sure,
we've kind of known that we have different interests, but
our age difference.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
I think it really highlights this.

Speaker 3 (02:54):
Specifically through this because of course it came out in
ninety five, which I was fifteen at that point in time,
and of course I lived in the boonies of LJ, Georgia,
did not have cable, barely even had internet because I
had to travel in high school to my friends' homes
so I could write papers and research because I did
not have internet at home. So I say this and

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that it took me five to six years to discover
the show, and because it was being replayed on things
like what is now CW, so they would have the
edited versions in syndicate and replayed, And I think I
did get into it before the movie actually came out.
Everything about this process seems to have some kind of
drama because of the Sex and the City movie didn't

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actually happen until years later after it ended, after the
show ended, so I definitely got caught up in it
watching the series, and it wasn't until I think after
or the middle of college that I really started watching
it and really started getting obsessed with it. I got
obsessed with it enough that I bought all the DVDs.
So I'm going to say tour the finale timeframe, so

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probably a couple of years after it actually ended, maybe
a year after it ended. I really got into it
and I was like, oh, I need to see all
of these I love everything about this.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Why can't this be my life?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
And again sheltered Samantha, who's very religious through college, So
definitely it was very inward and isolated when it came
to the real world. I'll put this in quotes because
we all know this is not the real world, but
in my head, sure it was. You know, so I
definitely fell for this around that point in time.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
And yeah, I actually, in honor.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Of this episode, started rewatching the entire series and ong
we're just gonna leave it there. I will say I
never did make it to the second movie because the
first movie was uh yeah, oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:46):
We're gonna talk about that a little bit. And I
say that I act as if I've seen it. I
have not, so yeah, and Samantha was she was even
workshopping a show where you're gonna rewatch all the episodes
and comments on them.

Speaker 4 (04:59):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
Well, one of the reason was because I was with
a group of friends who happens to be for women
in our early thirties, late twenties. This is when this
was in my head and we were talking about sex,
and it was like for a couple of the women
that was there, it was brand new for them to
talk about their own personal sex life because it's not
something that happens. So when we were sitting there talking,

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I started thinking about the fact that this feels like
an episode.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
Of sex and this City. What the hell? But because it.

Speaker 3 (05:27):
Is such a ridiculous show looking back, what I really
wanted to do was having an old host, Caroline, who
was so cynical and so funny and so sardonic as
I am, I to sit there because she's never seen
these either, I believe, so that we would sit there
and watch them and just have I guess YouTube about
reactions and commentary, because I think it'd be hilarious. It

(05:47):
is so ridiculous, and caroline reaction and my reactions to
things are so over the top, and then having you,
who would be like blushing half the time would be
hilarious to me.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Yeah. I did watch the first episode last night for
this and I was blushing.

Speaker 4 (06:02):
I was embarrassed. I was alone and blushing at this show.

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yeah. So I've only seen parts of two episodes. I
remember them very well though, because there was one where
Samantha is at like a birthday party and Carrie needs
her helped getting out her diaphragm.

Speaker 4 (06:16):
Yeah, and I was.

Speaker 3 (06:17):
A kid, and I was like, whoa, those are two
different episodes.

Speaker 2 (06:20):
But yes, oh really yes, Well then I don't know
what I'm talking about.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
No, but you're correct.

Speaker 3 (06:24):
So Samantha at the birthday party is a birthday party
for Miranda's son Brady, his first birthday party, and she
uh dies for bush.

Speaker 4 (06:34):
Yes, and she does warn into the clown here. That's
what I yes.

Speaker 1 (06:37):
And then they call her Boso the Bush.

Speaker 3 (06:40):
Oh wow, call it Boso the bush actually because it
turns orange.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
And then the carry episode was in season two, I.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Believe because she's hiding the fact that she's back with
mister Big.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Oh see, I love this. I love when we do
an episode where one of us is like way more
of an expert.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Ridiculous one. I'm really sad that this is my expertise.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Thank you, thank you. Oh I'm bad about it.

Speaker 2 (07:01):
And then I remember one where like Charlotte is trying
to get out there, like carrying her out of some
kind of like self help talk. Oh, yeah, and Carrie's like,
she's out there. Trust me, if she's out there, I
remember that.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
Yeah, it's the whole like self fulfillment.

Speaker 4 (07:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, because she's trying to find a.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Man, her husband.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
And then I do remember some kind of sex class
one with old people.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Oh yeah, I just watched that last night.

Speaker 4 (07:26):
Oh so that's early on. I huh.

Speaker 3 (07:27):
So the diaphim one and the sex class is in
seasons one through two. The Samantha one is obviously later
because the kid is involved. And then Charlotte this is
after her divorce.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
So this was also like mid like probably season three
or four or five.

Speaker 4 (07:43):
Yeah, yeah, I got this is awesome.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
So well, I can't figure out how I saw them
because I also didn't have cable and I didn't really
have TV either, But somehow, some way, I remember I
told you this story, Samantha that in my high school,
we had a Civics teacher, Nicks. She was like a
sweet older lady and she loved sex and the city
and she wasn't shy about letting people know, and it

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was kind of the source of gossip around the school
that she liked sex in the city.

Speaker 4 (08:12):
And when I was in Australia.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I have a really funny memory of I managed to
convince half the group I was with so that they
were like kind of us to see the movie the
m Night Shyamalan film The Happening, which many of you
probably remember was awful, and the other half went to
see the Sex and the City movie. And afterwards everyone
but me, even the people who didn't see the Sex
and the City movie, agreed that the Sex and the

(08:34):
City movie was the better choice, and I was like, oh,
maybe was shorter. I'm sure it was more fun even
if it was bad.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
You know, for what it was.

Speaker 3 (08:44):
It wasn't awful, Like it really wasn't, but there was definitely,
just like in the show, a lot of problematic things
in this one as well, including the fat shaming for
Samantha because she gained half a pound, like she barely
had a pudge that you it was obvious that they
had to do a dress that was a cy smaller
than what she wore to push out her stomach and
you can see her stomach and they all make fun

(09:05):
of our It's kind of like I remember looking at
that and like, she that's gating weight because Dan, we
couldn't be friends.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I've noticed that because I've been rewatching Seinfeld lately, which
is where I learned a lot about sex. And it's
funny to me, like in the nineties, I feel like
there was this like super thin women being fat shamed.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
You're like, what right? So Sex and the City was.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
It was huge, and it was in part behind several
trends that I've talked about on the other show I
do saver the Cosmopolitan, the drink. Yeah, Sex and the
City popularized that the cupcake boom.

Speaker 4 (09:37):
Yeah, Sex and the City and brunch in part.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
And some critics actually give this show the credit for
kickstarting HBO's rise.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
Wait, but wasn't the Wire on before that? And the Sopranos,
And both of those are.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
HBO, So I feel like Sopranos came around the same time.
And actually that leads to my next point, which is
critics a lot of times they point out the how
Sex and the City got kind of treated as this frivolous,
guilty pleasure that you should be ashamed of, whereas the
Sopranos got all this critical acclaim and people have pointed

(10:10):
out like, well, one of them is masculine and violent
and aggressive, and the others like feminine and funny and
comedic and romantic and which one do we give more
gravitas to or think is worth awards? And yeah, Sex
and the City was very very feminine. It was like
brashly feminine. So there's a lot of interesting discourse around that.
And then some people suggest that Carrie Bradshaw was one

(10:33):
of the first popular female anti heroes on TV, but.

Speaker 3 (10:38):
You know, it took a long time for her to
get Yeah, originally everybody wanted to be her, but then
it became, oh god, she's seriously annoying.

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Why won't she stop talking?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
And it could be very well the case that it
kind of latched onto who Sarah Jessica Parker was, and
she started getting rumored as being not difficult necessarily because
people love her, but she demanded her do like she
asked for higher pay, she wanted the credit. She carried
the show essentially for the long while. And that's kind

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of that whole thing is not only did that personality
start kind of getting annoying because there's only so much
that you want to hear someone complain about themselves, and
she kind of did, like towards the end, remind me
of friends that only came to talk to me about
their love life. You know, you people have friends like that,
but she's better than that. But it does start grading
on you.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
But I think it also.

Speaker 3 (11:31):
Kind of seeps in in that people had all of
these rumor mills to hate Sarah Esca Parker at that
point in time, and it was interesting to see.

Speaker 1 (11:39):
Yeah, and even now, actually, I.

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Guess, so let's go ahead and jump into what it is.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I'm very excited about this, y'all.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
So Sex and the City premiered in nineteen ninety eight
on HP, which I thought was ninety five, so I'm
way off. I guess I was leaving high school when
this came home and then ran until two thousand and four.
But yeah, all of these were syndicated on regular cable network,
so very heavily edited.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
By the way, really odd.

Speaker 4 (12:14):
I'm sure, hilariously strange.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
And by the way, most of these episodes only last
twenty five minutes anyway, less than thirty minutes, so I
guess it was like eighteen minutes with tons of commercials.
So interesting, and overall the course of its run, there
was like ninety four episodes for over six seasons. Of course,
the first in this last season, I think we're a
little lesser. No, the last season was pretty long.

Speaker 4 (12:36):
They had fewer episodes.

Speaker 3 (12:37):
Well, the first season had very few episodes, like since
it was the pilot season. And of course two movies,
one in two thousand and eight, which yeah, four years
after the finale, and then the other in twenty ten,
a CW prequel series called The Carry Diaries, so which
I don't think lasted very long only yeah right, yeah, see,
it lasted from twenty thirteen to twenty fourteen. And now
we're talking about the new limited series which is going

(12:59):
to be and just like that, which is how she
kind of agan ended her movie stuff, I think. And
so it's an interesting take. And of course that's going
to be without Kim Katrol And if you've seen all
the memes about who they want to replace her, it's
quite fun.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
I have not, but I am eager to look that up.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
The show was created by Darren Starr, who's an openly
gay man, an executive produced by Michael Patrick King, who's
also an openly gay man, and written largely by white women,
who was in part adapted from Candace Bushnell's columns from
The New York Server. So Candace Bushnell, Carrie Bradshaw, who
was a self described sexual anthropologist who published a compilation
of these columns in her nineteen ninety seven book titled

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Sex and the City. The show garnered fifty four IMMI
nominations maybe fifty five somewhere in there, and twenty four
Golden Globe nominations and numerous other awards, and has been
named by more than one critic as one of the
best television series of all time. For two years, it
was the highest rated comedy on cable television and time.
At one point, I had the four leading characters on the

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cover with the headline who needs a husband?

Speaker 4 (14:02):
Right?

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Which is really funny because the whole show is pretty
much based on men, huh, but also not needing men,
like not having men, being without men. It's the whole thing.
But yeah, So, speaking of which, the plot, so it
follows three women in their thirties, which is Carrie, Miranda,
and Charlotte, and one in her forties but she doesn't

(14:24):
ever tell really as they navigate their relationships and sex
of course in New York City. Yeah, man, I definitely
wanted to be in New York City. I thought that
was the life, right, yeah. When the show first begins,
only Charlotte is interested in marriage. Of course, she is
the for lack of better words, debutante of New York,
the sweet wasp that really desperately wants to have a family.

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But they all have jobs that they enjoy, which is
really incredible, right, yeah, in itself, and friendships they find meaningful.
And I do appreciate that the friendships between the four
main character are at the part of the show, so
they were generally supportive.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
And kind to each other.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
They made each other laugh, It is amazing, and they
have a great time. As book ended yes with Carrie's
narration of her sex column as a way to frame
the episodes. Her first question, what if women had sex
like men? Ooh, which is what I was like. Okay,
you have to watch the first episode because it lays
out kind of the whole frame of the show. And

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she writes recreationally and selfishly, with no need for emotional connection,
zero expectations of commitment, and little regard for the.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Feelings of their partners.

Speaker 3 (15:35):
And of course she gives that example by hooking up
with an ex that she was madly in love with, apparently,
and then just walking away from him.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Of course, when the show debuted, it was new in
a lot of ways, especially when it came to depictions
of women and sex. It was one of the first
shows to have female characters in it that were over
thirty and weren't in this big rush to get married.
It was for the most part very anti settling. That
kind of changed, it progressed, but and it highlighted other

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ways women could find fulfillment, whether it was a job
or a friend. It was one of their first shows
to focus on female friendship. Relationships and sex often do
come up as topics of conversation in this, but so
did things like infertility, motherhood, cancer, and career struggles, particularly
as women of a quote certain age, and women really

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identified with these characters since the I'm Miranda or I'm
a carry.

Speaker 3 (16:26):
Yeah, I think it's hilarious because it definitely seeped into
pop culture to use that as a term, and people
knew what that was like it said it in thirty Rock.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
They made sure to.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
Make fun of them as a whole episode and women
coming together and being feminine, girlly and giggly.

Speaker 2 (16:41):
Yeah, it's really funny because at the end we're going
to go over like our test results or own quizes,
and I got like.

Speaker 4 (16:47):
Not at all what I would have said. I would
have got it for me.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
It was yeah, I knew this for you.

Speaker 4 (16:53):
I was like, wait what, Yeah, no, I was. I
was shocked. I was like, really, this is news to me.

Speaker 2 (16:59):
So each episode usually has four plots, one for each character,
two of them superficial, one of those sexulated, then too deeper,
and Carrie's almost always one of these two deeper storylines.
And all of these storylines are intertwined with Carrie's voiceover.
And I wanted to shout out Emily Nussbaum at The
New Yorker for a great breakdown. I used a lot

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of what she wrote throughout this, So here's a quote
from her article. The Ford Friends operated as nearer allegorical
figures peg to contemporary debates about women's lives, mapped along
three overlapping continuums. The first was emotional. Carrie and Charlotte
were romantics, Miranda and Samantha were cynics. The second was ideological.
Brandon and Carrie were second wave feminists who believed in egalitarianism.

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Charlotte and Samantha were third wave feminists focused on exploiting
the power of femininity from opposing angles. The third concern
sex itself. At first, Miranda and Charlotte were pruds, while
Samantha and Carrie were libertines. Unsettlingly, as the show progressed,
Carrie began to glide toward caution away from freedom out
of fear.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Yeah. I think that was one of the biggest conversations.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
Is she slowly changed from let's explore this to no,
I can't. And it seemed like maybe it's normal, that's
kind of like the growth, maturity whatever whatnot. But she
was the only one out of the three that seemed
like it was a thing. Maybe I overstate that as well.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
Yeah, so let's talk about the characters. Let's talk about
Carrie Bradshaw Lade by Sarah Jessica Parker, the show's protagonist, and,
not too surprisingly, towards the end of the series, she
was the least liked, probably of all the women. She
was supposed to be a sexpert, but her constant inability
to communicate without playing the perfect mystery girl caused a
lot of issues in most of, if not all, of

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her relationships. Though she was successful and a somewhat well
known writer, her constant shopping habit kept her in seemingly
lots of debt. Definitely did make sense with her nice apartment,
though it was rent controlled for a long while.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
I've seen a lot of articles about how much that department.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Would cost and constant going out and spending, and her
column seemed ridiculously short and they were weekly, so.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Question, I know a lot of those. I was like
willing suspension of disbelief. At the same time, I was like,
this is unrealistic and really irritating as an adult because
how did she make way?

Speaker 4 (19:12):
Yes, how do you get that money?

Speaker 3 (19:16):
Especially as a social worker who was like, I want
to be these women, What the hell?

Speaker 1 (19:20):
How are you doing this right?

Speaker 3 (19:23):
According to a recent screen Rant article, Miranda, who was
played by Cynthia X and Miranda Hobbs, is the most
relatable of all the women, and honestly, I would agree
as all of the quizzes I take would actually tell
you so yeah, if you that's a head hint. She
is the strong willed, pessimistic but realistic friend of the bunch.
She loves her job as a lawyer, gets tired of

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talking about men all the time, and what's very realistic
pessimistic about her relationships and even her being a mom.
So it's kind of refreshing during this time of like
trying to have it all, that she really didn't want
it all and she was kind of tired of it
except for these specific things. Also irritating she got it
all somehow, she didn't want it whatever.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
Even in the movies, one of.

Speaker 3 (20:05):
Her best scenes is her unkempt bush scene.

Speaker 4 (20:09):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Yeah, and the reality that she doesn't have time. She
doesn't have time for this maintenance. And we'll talk about
it a little bit later, but she talks about her
struggles with her marriage, and some of the women imply
that maybe because of this, her unwillingness to keep up
herself is the downfall of her marriage, so a whole
other thing, and the reality is that she doesn't have
that time.

Speaker 1 (20:29):
She is a full.

Speaker 3 (20:30):
Time partner in a law firm, you know, and a
mother and trying to do all these things. Interestingly, though
in the early seasons she was the least light like,
she came off as the most abrasive and makes be
the man hating one from the bunch, always talking about
how men are awful, which, you know, whatever. But as
we said, like that actually changed in the more recent

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times I guess.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:52):
And then there's Charlotte Yorke played by Kristin Davis, who
is the art curator. It's her dream to be a
wife and then a She's the feminine romantic of the
bunch who hoards and devours every.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
How to get a man in New York Book.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
She is definitely a cautionary tale of getting what she
want rushing in as her marriage to Trey, those seems
picturesque at first ends up being a tale of failure
and of course horrible mother in law's. Though she does
finally find her man, it's not ideal. Her difficulty in
conceiving seemed to be the most relatable storyline in the
sense of her struggles and her different ventures and trying,

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though like everything else, she still gets her happy ending
in the movie.

Speaker 3 (21:35):
Right, just to put that in there, But yeah, I
think it was really interesting to see them portray that struggle.
So it was really not heartwarming, It was interesting to
watch Kristin Davis really turn on that dramatic portion of
who she was going from being I want everything to
be perfect and I can't have it, and what does
this look like?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
In her struggles and I.

Speaker 3 (21:54):
Thought it was fairly realistic, as during this time frame
I had friends who are struggling to and it was
kind of like, yeah, that's that's kind of how it looked, yeah,
from the outside. So going on Samantha Jones played by
Kim Cattrall, I think she's probably the most l liked
by a lot of the viewers. Samantha is a no nonsense,
straight to the point, gets what she wants type of woman, which.

Speaker 1 (22:14):
According to Carrie, makes her have the same self.

Speaker 3 (22:16):
Delusion that give men quote like Russ Perrot the confidence
to run for president. And I know that's kind of
a dated reference, but yeah, he was quite a caricature
way back when. But I thought it was an interesting
way of her describing Samantha. They do give her some
depth with her relationship with Smith Jarrett and trying to
find herself as so well as her storyline of being

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a breast cancer survivor and what that looks like. But
it's her brashness and just overall love sex that make
her the character people slash women love for sure, right, Yeah,
a lot of sex puns, I hear, yes, so many,
so many funs.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
Yeah, And I wanted to read this quote because it
cracked me up. I will not be judged by you
or society. I will wear whatever I want and blow
whomever I want as long as I can breathe a
new That's Samantha Jones quote, and I saw him up
in a lot of things.

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Well, this actually begins to like when we were talking
about Carrie becoming a little more not prudish necessarily, but
more conservative.

Speaker 1 (23:11):
She walks it on Samantha giving a package.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Man a blow job, and the reaction they have is
a whole storyline between Samantha feeling judged by her so
I thought it was interesting as well. But yes, that
is one of the best lines. I think there are
so many good lines that Samantha says in these things.
But we also wanted to kind of revisit a couple
of the episodes, because every time we talked about doing this,

(23:35):
I would bring up an episode and I really wanted
you to watch specific episodes, but it was too late.

Speaker 1 (23:39):
By this point. And again, there's so many, so many episodes.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
You're like, uh, I know you're watching and writing and
reading other things, so I wouldn't put that on you.
But I thought some of the episodes that are very
telling of the show is like the farting episode, which
is called the drought because each women are going through
a where they're not having sex, so they're talking about
what they're doing and how they're not.

Speaker 1 (24:04):
Having sex or whatnot.

Speaker 3 (24:05):
And the beginning catalyst for Carrie is that she and
Big are together. Everything's sweet and nice. Is she farts
because she gets too comfortable, and that begins to be Oh,
he doesn't see me as a romantic. He sees me
as one of the boys. We're not gonna have sex.
We didn't have sex for three days in a row.
Oh my god.

Speaker 4 (24:21):
Oh no.

Speaker 1 (24:22):
Yeah, And so is this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (24:24):
At one point, when she tells each of the girls
and she does it separately, this is where it is
irritating you hear her story three different times because she
tells every one of the women these issues, except she
couldn't do it with Charlie because Charlotte would quote unquote
have a heart attack. She didn't want to make her
head explode, essentially, but she talks to each one of them.
At one point, Samantha's like, no, no, no, no, no,

(24:46):
You've made.

Speaker 1 (24:46):
A huge mistake.

Speaker 3 (24:48):
When men don't want to know that women fart or
poop or douche, which.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
By the way, don't please don't.

Speaker 3 (24:54):
But yeah, like this whole thing is like wow, this
narrative really and healthy. They don't change it at all
in the end, Like, of course it's a bigger issue
because Miranda to the rescue says, oh my god, it's
not about the part she actually said that, and like
comes to the reality of like women do things, They're
gonna have to get over it, and she you know,

(25:15):
talks about what really is the issue. But I thought
that was interesting that in these episodes, as open as
they were, that they are still talking about this as
if it's a real thing. They're like, uh, that's really problematic.
Maybe you should not teach women, right, but this is
a thing. As well as the fact they had a
whole episode where they had a wild girl settle meaning

(25:35):
and getting married and having a baby and kind of
like the woman regretting having a baby and wanting to
be a partier. It was a whole different thing, and
it felt very problematic in putting women against each other
those who do want to be you know, like it
was too weird, Like huh, I don't know how I
stol about this. And of course we're gonna talk a
little bit more about it. But the episode with this
girl boy girl boy, which is the whole bisexual episode,

(25:59):
and it's very problematic and really sad to see that.
We I think we fell into it, and because they
were making jokes of it, right and we're gonna talk
more about it, we were just like, okay, yeah, absolutely,
choose one. Pick one, which are you And we're not realizing, hey,
you're causing a problem. We need to readdress some of
these things. But yeah, those were some of the episodes

(26:20):
that really brought into oh yeah, as much as I
love these oh cringe.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Yeah, yeah, And we're definitely gonna dig into those problematic troops.

Speaker 4 (26:29):
And we do have some stats for you.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
But first let's pause for a quick break for our sponsors,
and we're back.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Thank you sponsors.

Speaker 2 (26:49):
So, yeah, we did want to go briefly over some
statistics because I thought it was interesting.

Speaker 3 (26:54):
It is so according to articles from sources like BuzzFeed,
which by the way, a chunk of our quizzes come from,
and The New York Times, over the course of ninety
four episodes, the four friends had somewhere between ninety five
or maybe ninety four and one woman to one hundred
and seven partners. That sounds exhausting. I'm just gonna say
that it breaks down roughly like that. So Carrie and

(27:15):
Charlotte have eighteen partners, Marinda had seventeen, and Samantha on.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
The show had forty one.

Speaker 3 (27:22):
But she definitely has an episode where they talk about
getting tested for HIV where she starts counting and can't
find the numbers. There are somewhere around ninety six sex
scenes in these series, and by the way, all of
them are ridiculously caricatures of what sex looks like it
is if you're a young child, which you talked about.

Speaker 1 (27:43):
This is really bad. I really hope this didn't influence
how you thought sex was.

Speaker 4 (27:47):
Oh yeah, I'm gonna get into that line.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
And a lot of these partners are artists or bankers
or lawyers, are very successful that you that wasn't were
either younger boys who may have been bartenders, and that
seems to be you know, the lesser I guess, yeah,
I do not think it is pretty much except for Steve,
who is the adult who has a bar, who later.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Owns a bar.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Huh.

Speaker 3 (28:08):
Starts off as a bartender, and then it also becomes
a point of contention between her and him and Miranda
because of her job and making money. But then the
rest of them, I think are younger bartenders and the
bigger players are really wealthy.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Yeah, you can find a chart of how many artists
did they date Hominy Bank.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It exists and they're all successful artists.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Beddoes, yes, of course, so just before I the average
American has nine sexual partners throughout their lifetime, but according
to some surveys, the average New Yorker has twice as much.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
Sex as all national average.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
And people who know about this, I think it has
to do with a lessoned stigma around being a single
woman in York and larger social circles.

Speaker 4 (28:48):
There's more people to choose from, which makes sense to me. Right.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
There is a chart that tracks the main character's profanity too,
and not surprisingly, samanthas on.

Speaker 4 (28:55):
Top, but Carrie Miranda pretty close, pretty close.

Speaker 1 (28:58):
I would have thought Miranda would be behind Samantha.

Speaker 4 (29:01):
Yeah, yeah, they're pretty close.

Speaker 2 (29:03):
There's also a chart that tracks the brand dimensions when
it comes to fashion, which is a big part of
the show and used to paint pictures of these characters like,
who are these characters just by looking at the fashion
you can kind of get a sense.

Speaker 4 (29:15):
Apparently only one brand was used.

Speaker 3 (29:16):
Twice, but Manolo Blanix, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
But let's talk about some of these problematic tropes as
we promised, starting with the white feminism of the show.

Speaker 4 (29:29):
Gets a lot of critique of that, and racism right
as a part of that.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
Yeah, So we couldn't talk about this without addressing for
people who haven't seen the show, the elephant in the
room in regards to race, and that yes, it is
based on all white women's perspective and for the most part,
a very heteronormative, misogynistic perspective.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
And we say misogynistic because the viewpoint is literally based
on how would this man look at me?

Speaker 4 (29:56):
It's a very male gayzy still.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
Yes, yes, So in one of the early episodes.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
In season three, we are really badly written episode of
Samantha dating a very attractive black man. And when I
say badly written, I mean it's obvious that a white
person decided they could write for African American vernacular for
them like it is bad and with all of their
bad judgment, the dialogue is cringey. Everything from having Samantha

(30:23):
say something like, I've got to give me some of that.
Oh yeah, And when it is addressed by Charlotte, you
can't say that.

Speaker 1 (30:30):
Don't say that.

Speaker 3 (30:32):
The response is, oh, stop with your liberal knee jerk reaction.
So you're like, okay, immediately all right to the male character,
which they do hook up, by the way, Samantha, this
is her being open minded, I think to him screaming when.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
She starts fighting with his sister, who is a black woman,
let's all be chill. Let's just be chilled, chill, and
it's just like so bad. Then you're like, oh, what
is that? Why are they doing this?

Speaker 3 (31:01):
And I knew this in the early two thousands, so sorry,
And can we also go ahead and address this ever
annoying trope of reverse racism, which is what they put
in here in this episode the Finleyville plot line that
his sister won't let him date Samantha because she's white,
and as the sister explains, it's the black thing you
wouldn't understand. So not only do they put that in there,

(31:25):
that's the reason it is just such an awful way
to address this issue. And as in fact, I read
an article from the actress that portrayed this character, saying
this was her first job and she took it because
she was so excited.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
First of all, she needed a job.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Secondly, sex in the city was huge at that time,
and thirdly, she wanted to be dressed in part of
that culture. And though she had really good interactions behind
the scenes, like apparently kin Control was really kind and
kept telling her how amazing she was doing.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
She read the plodge, she read the lines.

Speaker 3 (31:52):
She was like, oh, well, okay, I guess, And it
kind of addresses back at that point in time when
people of color would take on these characters just because
they had to. Yeah, and they would have to shrug
it off and be like, all right, well, this is
what they want. They have to get paid, you know.
It was an interesting conversation. She's like, I really wish
and I knew then that this was really bad, but
it didn't matter because I wanted to try to be

(32:15):
an actor.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
So yeah, that episode, yeah, yeah, I read about that
one too, and like the Angry Black Woman, And not
only that, but even the depiction of Robert, who is
one of Miranda's love interests ends up being an angry
black man, which is, yeah, not good.

Speaker 4 (32:34):
It's not a good look.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
At first you're like, oh, how sweet, and then it
ends with him being the angry black man that just
storms off, and it's just kind of like, oh why.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Yeah, And there's really not any good representation in this,
even the depiction of Asian women. In one episode, they
talk of class systems still existing and how it matters
in relationships, and as an example, they not towards the
women who are giving all of the manicures, meaning they

(33:04):
were lesser. Also, within the same episode, we have the
fetishized Asian woman who is a servant to a white man.

Speaker 3 (33:12):
And they call her a servant, so it's kind of like, ah,
and she also has this very traditional Asian clothes while
she's serving them, so it's kind of like wow, y'all.

Speaker 1 (33:23):
Yeah wow.

Speaker 3 (33:24):
Also, just to put it out there, Kim Gatrall did
say that if they did have a remake, they should
actually make one of the characters a black character because
there was so little representation and it was so blaringly
obvious how little there was.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Yeah, we also wanted to talk about queer depictions in
the show, starting with transphobia.

Speaker 1 (33:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
So one of the things about it was a specific episode,
which is Samantha versus the trans prostitutes that work behind
her area in the meatpacking district of New York, and
just the language used within these episodes, yeah, I have
to turn it off. And that way they are just
fairly disrespectful of the whole thing and the way they
depict these women, it's really sad because it makes them

(34:07):
again a caricature. And of course all of them but
one are fans women of color, so it's kind of like,
really all had to do this, and of course it
has to be for us versus them. But in the end,
like they all get together and all are happy and
united and they watch Carrie twirl.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
I don't know, Okay, everybody loves to see a twirl.

Speaker 4 (34:26):
I guess, I guess.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
And we want to talk about some other homophobic things,
like the gay best friend trope is in this a lot. Yeah,
but you've got Stanford and Anthony who definitely fit into
this trope, and we do see the development of Stanford's
character and that gives a little leeway of how Carrie
just continues to use her friends and talk about herself constantly.

(34:51):
So like I read it described as like an accessory
to her. Yeah, like even if he has growth, he
still sort of exists for her to complain too.

Speaker 3 (35:01):
Yeah, and it's definitely interesting because again it is written
by and created by two very openly gay men. But
the way they portrayed Standford at the beginning when the
first episode is he was so over the top Kitchie
to where he ended up it, it was kind of
a relief to see him finally being like the adorable,
sweet guy and kind. But yes, he's definitely just an
accessory to this whole conversation.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
Yeah, and I actually read a lot of articles about that.
Maybe we'll come back to that later of like kind
of that tension between gay creators and like something like this.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
Right.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So, also bisexual erasure, which we've mentioned before. So Carrie
doesn't believe bisexual men are legit. And when Samantha dated
a woman, the idea that Samantha might actually be bisexual
or curious is really dismissed. It was like, no, she's
just bored, or she's looking for attention, or it's a
phase that thing that we've talked about before in previous episodes.

Speaker 3 (35:54):
Right, And we talked about the episode called girl Boy,
Girl Boy in the Cold Conversation, which takes place of
course over Brunt is problematic between Miranda calling bisexuals greedy
because they sample from all sides to Charlotte saying she
needs labels either your gay or straight, pick a lane.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
The entire show is an issue.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
The overall fear mongering towards bisexuality is insulting overall, literally
the entirety of the show. Carrie is so neurotic. She's
sure that he's looking her interest who has said that
he just falls in love with love essentially that she
just for sure he's checking every.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Single person out. Oh yeah, that's the entirely thing.

Speaker 3 (36:31):
And by the way, Elena's more said is in this
episode she can't carry kiss.

Speaker 4 (36:35):
Oh there you go.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
There's a small tidbit.

Speaker 4 (36:38):
Good, a tidbit okay.

Speaker 2 (36:40):
And we wanted to talk about some sexist elements in here,
I guess, and like feminism, not feminism.

Speaker 4 (36:46):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (36:47):
And while this show is lauded in many ways for
the strides it made in depictions of women and sex,
and it should be a lot of fans shaped at
the ending of the first movie and the show feeling
it wasn't true to this message of independent women who
weren't rushing to get married and I want to quote
Nasbaum again because she actually defended the ending of the show.

Speaker 4 (37:08):
Quote.

Speaker 2 (37:09):
While a mob film ends in murder, we all know
where a romantic comedy ends.

Speaker 4 (37:13):
I'll defend until my dying day.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
The sixteenth in plot in which Carrie seeks respite with
a celebrity like her, the Russian artist Alexander played by
Mikhail Borushnikoff, a chiley genius she doesn't love, but who
offers her a dream like fairy tale, the one she's
always longed for, Paris, safety, money, pleasure.

Speaker 4 (37:31):
It felt ugly and sad in a realistic way. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
I think it was interesting because there's a lot of
conflict between her and Miranda because she is choosing all
of these things. So I mean, sure, I guess she
gives up everything to go with this guy, and yes,
guess a happy ending. But to be fair, she also
wrote a book, so there's that.

Speaker 4 (37:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Also Miranda being blamed for infidelity in the movie. We
see that, and we talked about earlier.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
We see the.

Speaker 3 (37:58):
Steve who says that he has had an affair after
having sex one night, and all this culmination into her
being busy, her having to do all these things, her
being tired and pretty much lays the blame, saying that
she is the reason that he says he's sorry, but
it's because we've not been touching each other. You haven't

(38:20):
even made time for me, essentially, as well as the
fact that during her time with Carrie, Carrie is so
angry about a small bit of information which I still
can't understand, that she tells Miranda that it's her fault
and she should forgive Steve, like it's a whole return,
as well as the fact that during their counseling session

(38:43):
the therapist kind of puts it on her as well.
So it's kind of the whole way of like, yes, yes,
there is a leading there's always a bigger story and
infidelity for sure, but to put blame like that instead
of having a conversation or even say, hey, I have
this problem, or hey let's have counseling before I have
an affair.

Speaker 4 (39:00):
Mm hmm. Maybe seems.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
And I think it was really infuriating for me again
because like the whole bush scene where she was not
having wax things and all these they kind of put
that on her and saying like, well, no, wonder your
relationship fell apart.

Speaker 1 (39:14):
You like let yourself go.

Speaker 2 (39:16):
Yeah, Yeah, I saw a lot of angry reactions to that,
and also Carrie's storyline in that movie.

Speaker 4 (39:23):
In the first movie ends with her being won over after.

Speaker 2 (39:26):
Her rich on again, off again dude Big, mister Big
building her a wardship with expensive clothes, which feels very
materialistic and separately not what the show was about, because
I do think materialism was a big part of this. Yeah,
Cynthia Nixon said about this quote, it seemed to me
that the show was so much about female empowerment and

(39:47):
about women making their own choices and women standing up
for what they wanted and supporting themselves. So to me,
to have the scene be a climax of the film,
that's your very wealthy husband built you a nice closet
for your clothes, I thought, Wow, that it's not really
what you love about the show, is it, Because that's
not what we were making it for a lot of
people weren't happy with Carrie's relationship with Big in general,

(40:08):
claiming he was toxic. I read somebody describe him as
like a walking red flag. Carrie consistently worries that it's
turning her into a fake this relationship. At one point
she says, I'm not like me. I'm like together Carrie.
I wear little outfits, sexy, carey and casual carries. Sometimes
I catch myself actually posing. It's just it's exhausting, right.

Speaker 3 (40:25):
I think that's the back and forth because everybody has
an opinion who's seen the show about what man is
the best man, which man is the best man of
the group. But I think it's interesting because, as I said,
Carrie's constant need to switch her personality. It happens throughout
the entire show. It's not just Big, as with Alexander,
is with Aiden, Like she becomes these different people, which

(40:48):
happens a lot. Yeah, we all have like relationship goals
where you try to find common interest or try to
compromise for that. But yeah, it's definitely a theme for
Carrie to constantly beat this. Even though I do think
Big is definitely toxic, I don't think it's not just him,
it's not yeah, yeah, yeah, But people again also weren't

(41:08):
happy with how Stamford was with the only other gay
male in this series. Yeah, Anthony, Like at first when
they meet each other, Anthony says to Charlotte, he could
do better, like he can be better as in fact,
they kind of hate each other because he also outs
Stanford's boyfriend later on in the show as being I
don't know if he's a prostitute, a call boy, but

(41:30):
he having an advertisement in a magazine, in a gay
magazine to be an escort essentially. So it's really interesting
how they hate each other, and then at the end,
because they are the only two gay people, I guess
they end up getting together.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I don't know. And they, by the way, do remain the.

Speaker 3 (41:45):
Two strongest gay characters, the only gay characters I guess
in the whole series.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Yeah yeah, I mean, it's certainly of like regular appearances.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
And a lot of folks have pointed out that as
revolutionary as all of this was, in a lot of ways,
the main characters still did pretty much stick to traditional
gender roles, and on top of that, there was a
classist and superficial element with a focus on glamour, fashion
and looks. And the debate rages on about where this
show falls in terms of feminism. In a twenty eleven

(42:17):
article for The Daily Telegraph called Sorry, Sisters, but I
hate Sex in the City, Donya Gold wrote, Sex and
the City is to feminism what sugar is to dental care.
The first clue is in the opening credits of the
television show. Carrie is standing in a New York street
in a ballet skirt, the sort that toddlers wear. She
is dressed unmistakably as a child because she is a
sex columnist on a newspaper. A bus wearing a huge

(42:38):
photo of her in a tiny dress trundles pass. Carrie
Bradshaw knows good Sex has the bus, and there before
any dialogue hits your ears, you have two woeful female
archetypes that Sex and the City loves woman as sex
object and woman as child. In another episode, Carrie realizes
she is homeless because she has spent forty thousand dollars
on shoes and does not have a deposit for an apartment.
In this crisis, she cries and barrows the money for

(42:58):
the deposit. What child do anything else? Also in twenty eleven,
Ashley Dikes wrote in her research piece and I started
wondering voiceover and conversation and Sex and the City quote.
The fear that men will no longer find a woman
attractive as she reveals her true self is in contrast
to the relationships among the four main characters, but plenty
of argued that the show did a lot for feminism,

(43:19):
or maybe not that it did a lot for feminism,
but was feminists or did at the very least invite
feminist conversations or conversations about women and sex and in
a lot of different spaces about women that we hadn't
really discussed openly as a society before.

Speaker 4 (43:34):
It like made them popular.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
Right, And I think I would agree that I think
it gave permission for so many to be able to
openly talk about their sexual experiences and even learn from
that conversations. Is like talking about oral sex and being
able to enjoy it seemed so taboo. But when the
show came in understanding that women do enjoy sex and
do bond over talking about it. I remember you and
I were actually having a whole conversation about what this

(43:57):
show would look like, and we talked about when women
enjoy sex, when women don't enjoy sex, and why that's
okay in either way.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
And honestly, part of my conversation came from this.

Speaker 3 (44:07):
And that idea of I grew up in such a
very isolated and closed minded home when it came to sex,
that when I came to college, I was like, this
is what this is for, this is how this is.
And don't get me wrong, and there's nothing wrong with
intimacy and saving whatever you have for marriage whatever. If
you really feel like that's something that you want, that's great.

(44:29):
But that's partly in my mind. I don't think it
was until I watched shows like this that I realized, oh,
women actually do like sex.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
This is not just me. I'm not thirty, okay, and
it did.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
I think it opened up a whole big conversation and
allowing the fact that you could ask other women for advice.
You don't have to do this alone, Like if you're
confused about something, if you like these are things that
needs to happen, and allow it for it.

Speaker 1 (44:52):
I'm also it technically does pass the Bechdel test. Yeah,
or I will say that it's not too much aur prise.

Speaker 3 (44:58):
But something that I loved any you've yearned for now,
especially with us still being in lockdown, is having brunch
with my girls and just releasing whatever is on our minds,
enjoying a drink, d complaining about work, living situations so yes,
even talking about our partners and seeing friendships that would
grow together. I think it was something beautiful, even though
there were so many problematic things within them, and they

(45:20):
fed into this narrative of white feminism, white relationships, white
girl privilege, all these things for.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Sure, But the fact that they grew together and after college.
I really really wanted that.

Speaker 3 (45:31):
And missed that. And though the whole series does seem
to be a lot about finding your mate, yeah, the
fact that they lean on each other and as much
as they do, they continue to grow together, and it
was really refreshing to see that as an ending. Happy
ending wasn't necessarily the man. Happy ending was that they
were going out together. Like she comes back home from
France and the first thing she does is find them

(45:52):
and make sure they all have brunch. In the end,
when she gets married, he says, I know your true
loves and it's the women.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
And I think that's beautiful.

Speaker 4 (46:00):
Yeah, yeah, I agree, I agree, and I liked what
I saw.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Maybe I'll, if I can find it anywhere, launch a
gas journey Okay, perfect, perfect, And I do want.

Speaker 4 (46:12):
To say DVD's for days for me.

Speaker 2 (46:15):
I do think it would be really interesting if there's
a study out there on how this show influenced people's
thoughts on sex because for me, even though I didn't
see it growing up, it's still like permeated and it
still influenced me and my thoughts on sex, just the
little things I saw, or even just like images I
saw from it.

Speaker 4 (46:31):
When I was in middle.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
School, I asked my mom if that's how people meet
at bars and they date for like a week, and
then they have sex and then they break up. That
was also influenced by other TV, not just Next to
the City. But my mom was a gas and she
was like, oh my god, I didn't have the talk
with you. And I remember even then being really confused
about the fashion money, and I was like, is.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
It New York really expensive?

Speaker 2 (46:55):
How could I ever afford? I was like, I can't
afford this lifestyle. This is out of my reach.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
The entirety of like not having roommates as a single
woman in New York made no sense, no sense because
I had to have roommates in Atlanta, and we know
the cost of living is much cheaper here.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yes, yes, well, this has been a really fun one.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
We wanted to run really quickly through our quiz answers
of who we would be, but first we have one
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Speaker 4 (47:36):
And we're back.

Speaker 2 (47:36):
Thank you sponsored. So yeah, we did get a lot
of these from BuzzFeed.

Speaker 3 (47:41):
Yeah, you know, of course Busfeed is going to be
the number one quiz, especially for things like sex and
the City. I was like, there, they are ten thousand
of them, so I do need to know because I
sent you several. There are several different ones, and I'll
try to make a variation.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
So which one are you? Are you a Carrie, Samantha,
Charlotte or Miranda?

Speaker 2 (47:58):
According to this first BuzzFeed you sent me, I got
quote you wish you were a Carrie, but alas.

Speaker 4 (48:03):
You are a Miranda, which I was like, that does
not need to be insulting.

Speaker 1 (48:07):
Why is that?

Speaker 3 (48:08):
I was actually carry on this one. I kind of
was surprised and insulted. I was like, I don't want
to be carried What is this? What are you saying
about me? I didn't like it?

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Yeah. Well, and then you sent me another.

Speaker 3 (48:19):
One, right, and I needed one more because I was like, okay,
let's just see who this personality type was. So what
was this other one that you would have been?

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Which character?

Speaker 2 (48:28):
It was also from BuzzFeed and I got Samantha Jones.
You're one wild person. You love to date, have fun,
but getting serious is really not your style. You much
prefer one steady group of friends over one man forever.
You're great at giving advice because you're so carefree. I
agree with that, minus the sex.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
Still is sex personality, but definitely a group of friends.

Speaker 4 (48:47):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 3 (48:47):
For sure, I've got Mariana on this one because I
am obviously a very strong willed and all those things.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
So yeah, I definitely said that. And I had to
know who was the man.

Speaker 2 (49:00):
I got Robert Leeds, which now I don't know how
to feel about it.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Oh, but he's such a good guy.

Speaker 3 (49:05):
So that's the things Like I got Robert Leeds too,
and I loved him as a boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
He's probably one of.

Speaker 3 (49:10):
The best, Like he is so sweet, so caring love
because this is after she has the baby and she
he loves the kids and so kind.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
She just ended up dumping him because she realized she's.

Speaker 4 (49:19):
Still step Okay, Okay, I feel better about it.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
Who of course they have a good relationship. Yeah, so
he's a good guy. It wasn't until they broke up
that they made him a bad guy. It was just
really irritating. They didn't need it in him like that.
And then I had to send you this house Stuff
works quiz because I was like, oh, she's not gonna
do well. I'm gonna beat her on this one for sure.
How well do you know Sex and the City?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
What was your rating?

Speaker 4 (49:39):
I got sixty three percent?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Yeah, yeah, I got ninety three.

Speaker 3 (49:43):
Oh, she's still not one hundred percent because there's two
I forgot about, like what, Oh, sorry, sad about that one.
And then the very last one. We had to find
the combination, Yes, the combo of which characters are you?
I got Samantha and Carrie. So I'm all over the
board here.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
It seems like, yeah, I guess you are.

Speaker 4 (50:03):
But why? But why?

Speaker 2 (50:04):
It says you're super confident like Samantha. You're creative like
Carrie too. You always know exactly what you want and
you're not afraid to work hard to get it. Sometimes
other people are intimidated by your success, but generally they
admire you.

Speaker 3 (50:13):
Oh oh yeah, So I'm the combination of Carrie and Miranda.
You're a very creative person like Carrie, but you're also ambitious, loyal,
and hard working like Miranda. You're incredibly loyal and you
always put your friends first. Everyone relies on you to
tear them up when they're filling down, and you wouldn't
have it any other way.

Speaker 4 (50:31):
I agree with that, I can see you.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
The fact that I got to be uh, obviously Miranda
makes me happy.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Well.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
It's funny because, again, having never seen but like three
stympers of the show, I thought i'd get Charlotte.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
I don't know why I thought that a naivety, I agree, probably,
but I didn't get her once me either.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
That's not surprising for me though.

Speaker 4 (50:52):
Well.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
That brings us to the end of this episode on
Sex and the City. It's been so fun. We would
love to hear from you listeners your experience with the show,
the movies. What are your looking forward to or worried
about in the upcoming reboot? Are you a Carrie, Samantha, Miranda,
Charlotte Let us know. You can email us at Stuff Media,
mom Stuff at iHeartMedia dot com. You can find us
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Twitter at mom Stuff Podcast.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
Thanks to your.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Super producer, Christina, and thanks to you for listening. Steffan
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