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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha I want my stuff.
I'll never told you Abduction by Her Radio and it
is summer blockbuster movie season. Yes, yes, and I've been
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thinking about this one because I'm so sad you had
COVID when I recorded this, so I did it by myself.
So I think we need to do a revisit. Okay,
but it was the episode that I did about women
in survival horror movies like Jurassic Park. I did Deep
Lucy and just kind of the sexism involved. Yeah, picking
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that apart, So I think we should do we should
have a comeback, yes, but in the meantime, please and
enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Annie, and welcome
to stuff on ever told your production of iHeartRadio? And yes,
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unfortunately I am still by myself. Don't worry. Samantha will
be back. But right now, due to scheduling and illness,
you just get me, which means I feel like I
can run rampant, which is fitting for the topic we're
talking about today. I originally mentioned this a few episodes back,
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where I wanted to talk about this idea of who
deserves to die, and it was based on I've had
that I mean, I've had this in the back of
my head for a while, but it was based on
a recent headline i'd seen about the very bad movie
Deep Blue Se that I still enjoy but is quite bad,
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and the original ending for it, and we'll talk about
that more at the end. When I was researching this,
perhaps it won't surprise you, but not too many people
are writing about the feminism of Deep Blue Sea. But
I did find some other examples and it kind of
became a bit a bit bigger than deserves to die,
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almost more like deserves redemption, And that's a whole other
trope of the you get redeemed and then you die,
but you don't do anything to fix all of the
harm that you did. Star Wars is pretty bad about
that one. But I wanted to talk about this, and
I have been on a bit of a disaster movie.
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I've been watching a lot of them, binging a lot
of them. They were big parts of my childhood. That
being said, we have discussed horror movie tropes that would
fall under I would say the sort of and heavy
quotes deserves to die, like, who is the audience like, oh, yeah,
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they deserve to go? In horror movies, as often the
slutty woman, the best friend of the final girl, or
the person of color, all of which is pretty problematic,
but that's not really what we're talking about today. We
have talked about that in several episodes, so if you
want to go check those out, you can. I wanted
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to talk about more specifically in the disaster film Arena,
which because I'm by myself today, this one's gonna be
a bit shorter and also not as researched as we
would normally do. I would love to come back to
it and get Samantha's thoughts on this, but I do
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have a lot of thoughts about it, and I have two,
maybe three main examples of what I'm talking about, one
of them being Deep Lucy, which we will get we'll
come back to, don't don't you worry. But one of
the big ones I always think of is from Jurassic World.
And I know I've brought this up before. I am
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gonna have some criticisms of how women are portrayed in
that movie. If you like that movie, like I enjoyed
it well enough. But yeah, just just to say, I
did have a really funny, rousing conversation with me and
a bunch of friends about they're critiques of the movie,
and especially how much of the dinosaurs are going for
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like cost wise. They tell me that was nowhere near enough,
and I trust them. But yeah, when I saw that movie,
because I've said I was a huge fan of Draassic
Park and still am the first one. And then we
have an episode coming out about doctor Ellie Sadler and
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I have a really funny update about those cards I
was bragging about. But when I saw this movie, it
was I think I had been working on the show,
and I would have I was a feminist for sure,
but immediately I was like, I don't. I feel like
these are some tropes that are pretty sexists that are
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happening here. But one of the big things that really
when I was watching, I was like, this is unnecessary,
and I really don't like it is when I'm assuming
I don't have to break down the pot for all
of you. But yeah, it's a park, the dinosaurs, the
dinosaurs genetically altered, and then they escape and recavoc and
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there's just not a lot of good infrastructure to get
people out. But it focuses largely on Claire played by
Bryce Dallas Howard, who we're talking about in a second
who is running the park, and then Owen who's played
by Chris Pratt, who is like a dinosaur whisper, dinosaur trainer,
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and the fact that Claire has looked down on because
she's a businesswoman that doesn't want kids. Again, more on
that in a second. But things go wrong dinosaurs get out.
This character named Zara, who is the assistant of Claire,
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is tasked with watching Claire's nephews when they visit, and
it was sort of an unexpected visit Claire's sisters getting
a divorce and it's just like not good timing, but
Claire agreed to do it and then was really busy
and then pass them off to Zara, who is played
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by Katie McGrath. And Katie McGrath's character is definitely in
the same vein that Claire's character is seen as like
I'm a good person because she's always on her phone,
she's always busy, she's not really paying attention to these kids,
which again were passed off on to her, and eventually
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the kids like give her the slip and escape and
there is a scene where once the dinosaurs break out,
she is brutally killed for like a long time. And
when I was watching the movie, I was like, oh
my gosh, it's still going. Oh my gosh, it's still going.
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I've read she's the first woman to die on screen
in Jurassic Park. I don't know if that's true, but
that's what I read. And it was such a long
drawn out death and it was kind of played as
like almost for laughs, or like, see, she she should
have done better at her job and taken better care
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of these kids, and now she's going to get ripped up.
So she gets picked up by Pterodactyl's terroritive terror something
of the flying dinosaurs. It has dropped into the grasp
of another dinosaur, like the sea dinosaur, and then so
she's like thrown back and forth between them. The flying
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dinosaurs is screaming, and then it is dropped into the
mouth of this sea dinosaur and it just feels odd.
It just feels very odd. And it was in the trailer,
and in fact, it was a big part of the trailer,
and one of the trailers was titled Jurassic World Trailer
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to starring Katie McGrath. And she's not really in it,
like she's barely in it, but her death I guess
was supposed to be some kind of representation of oh,
how gory this could be, or and I believe Bryce
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Dallas Howard says, oh, she gets tortured, and the director,
Colin Chevro says that it's quote one of the all
time dinosaur deaths in a movie. Wow. Yes, but it
just felt unnecessary. It didn't feel a lot of people
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have compared it to the lawyer from the first one,
the blood sucking Lawyer, but his death, even his death,
while it was sort of like drawn out, it wasn't
drawn out like that one. But two he had been
shown to be not great, Like he abandoned the children,
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he didn't care about the morality of any anything to
do with the park. He was very much like, I'm
just gonna protect myself. He wasn't sympathetic at all. And
the difference is her death sine is much longer. But
also she does feel bad that these children ran away
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from her when she's doing her work, and she expresses that,
but that's not seen as sympathetic. She is not painted
as sympathetic. She's painted as someone we're supposed to kind
of laugh at when she dies, and her sin is
she wasn't caring for these kids, who again were not
her kids. She was not planning to take care of
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who ran away from her, and therefore she must be punished.
We will revel in her death as the audience. She
isn't like mean to them. I mean, she's not like
greatly developed. Again, she's not in the movie that long,
but she's not terrible. But still it's painted as if well,
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she deserved this, She deserved this death. That being said, though,
I am not the only one who felt very jarred
and disturbed by this scene. There were a couple of
quotes correlated by culture war reporters from Reddit because there's
a whole thread dedicated to this scene. I guess here
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a few. Yeah, it was pretty horrifying. The character didn't
even deserve it, so there was zero satisfaction. It just
left me feeling violated, which I suppose it was meant to.
Here's another Yeah, I guess it logically works, but cinematically
it was just cruel and unnecessary. I thought maybe I
was overacting to that scene. It made me so uncomfortable.
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It was just so extended. Most deaths and Jurassic Park
series are quick. In adding to the thrill of the scene.
This just felt cruel. Glad to see I'm not alone
in this opinion. I asked my buddy, what the did
she do to deserve that death? And some people were
pointing out, like other dinosaurs, that's what's gonna happen. But
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going back to that kind of like cinematically it doesn't
make sense comments of like, well, what message are we
to take from the fact that she's the one that
gets this, that she's sort of the inexpendable one, that
we're supposed to find some kind of joy or satisfaction
in her death, And it definitely made me uncomfortable. I
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remember watching the scene and clearly it stuck with me
where I was like, uh, why are we supposed to
rejoice at her death? That's just what it felt like
to me. And I am somebody I can admit, like,
I'm not usually happy when someone dies, even if they
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are not great. But it's just the way it was
so drawn out. And yeah, she really wasn't in the
movie that much to really warrant that. That being said,
I wasn't originally intending to do this, but through this
research I did find a lot of commentary about Claire
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Rice Dallas Howard's character, who I also when I saw
this movie, I was like, wait, wait, because she is
such a trope. She is such like an ice queen.
She doesn't want kids, which is one of the big
points of the movie. And I think it's meant to
be a flip of Alan Grant, but it feels super
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judgy where it didn't feel super judgy with Alan Grant.
It's like she's the lost sight of what matters like.
Not wanting to be a mother is inherently bad in
this movie. From the Mary Sue quote, from what we see,
this woman with an entire park to run, has multiple
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responsibilities across multiple divisions and gets very little assistance, but
has still agreed to take these children as a favor
for her sister during a divorce. I would tend to
agree that if you commit to watching your sister's kids,
you should put the phone down. But it also seems
like the weekend was pushed on her rather than worked
out with her schedule, and frankly, Claire is dealing with
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this forced obligation as best she can. Nonetheless, Claire is
presented very early on as a bad person of questionable
morality because she has asked her assistant to watch the
boys while she goes to work. I certainly didn't share
Chris Pratt's look of shock and disgust when she makes
the horrific reveal that she doesn't know her own nephew's ages. Yes,
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I remember that too. I was looking around like, oh, no,
that that means I'm a terrible person, because it's very
clearly portrayed that way. That's the problem. It's like you
can have these storylines of, you know, someone who is
too focused on their work and meets someone who kind
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of shows them like, oh what about this? But if
she wants to do her work, then yeah, it doesn't
mean she's a horrible person because she doesn't have kids
or doesn't know her nephew's ages. But it is I
remember that distinctly watching this, like, wow, she is they
really want me to think she's bad for this. And
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also it's a problem of writing, which we'll talk about
a bit more. But she was just such a trope.
She would she was such a superficial especially well I
don't want to say that, but in this one, which
is the one we're focusing on, she was very like
the ice cream that was her even in her costuming
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that was what she was A quote from the Mary
Sue continues. Beyond that, Claire not having children and clariing
she doesn't want children also isn't some sort of fatal
personality flaw. But Jurassic World clearly sees it this way.
Believe the natural progression of women has them evolving into mothers,
and those who don't have that desire are somehow deficient
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of humanity. Despite claims to the contrary, Motherhood does not
equal inherent goodness, and not wanting to be a mother
does not equal an inherent black thereof for women. What
about the many women who are unable to have children
most importantly to the film, And this is where Jurassic
World is really offensive. Women who choose to put their
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careers first and or foremost are not doing it as
a coping mechanism for what is really lacking in their lives.
I'm sure some are as are many men, but many
have a passion for their work, which they want to
put front and center, and that doesn't make them less
of a woman or less a part of the world
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around her. While Ellie and Grant were discussing where their
children would be part of their future as an option.
Claire is being told she wants kids, that there is
something wrong with her for not feeling that way herself.
Claire's own sister tells her one day she'll settle down,
as if the life she has built is temporary, which
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might be the clearest piece of evidence that this movie
was written by foe men. Yeah. Yeah, I mean, it's
just the the pressure throughout that she must want kids.
There's a several shots where she's looking at kids with
sort of a veiled belonging, which is a fine plot point,
but if you're if you're going to do it where
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in this like moral grounds of like she's bad because
she doesn't want that or might not want that. That's
not good. That's that's the issue. And it is very,
very very heavy handed. And how it paints that she
is just missing, she is lacking something, she's just not
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complete and doesn't know it. That's one of the most
galling parts of it, I think, and I've heard that
as a single person too, of like oh, you just
don't realize, so you just don't know, and it's annoying
and incorrect. Here's another quote from The Mary Sue as
Marlow Stern wrote, in his rather accurate review for The
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Daily Beast, the only character development we get in this
movie is quote a woman's evolution from an icy, cold,
selfish corporate shill into a considerate wife and mother, as
if to say, don't worry, guys, that shrill both lady
really just wants to find a sexist guy that will
teach her how to behave and awaken that biological clock. Sure,
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her life's work is destroyed in Hundredstead, but she got
a man who can give her that baby all women
really want. Yeah, it is. When I was researching this,
which again wasn't what I really intended when I started
this episode, but I did find a lot of article
about that, in particular of in disaster movies, painting women
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as they are this the cold business woman or the
kind woman who wants a baby, which when I was
thinking about it was like, yeah, I can think of
a lot of examples of that. And then I found
a lot of articles about all the dinosaurs are female
and men are the only ones who can tame them.
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I think that's a separate episode, but that's interesting. And
then here is a quote from Media Owen, who's Chris
Pratt's character knows no wrong. When a fly is buzzing
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around Claire, Owen can slap it right out of the air.
While Claire gets nervous. Even being in a helicopter, Owen
rides a motorcycle neck and neck with velociraptors. Nothing scares Owen,
not even violent man eating dinosaurs, because he is a
manly man. There's certainly nothing wrong with Claire's fear in
the face of a potential death via dinosaur, but her
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fear is not used to create a sense of realism
or to pull the audience in. It's used to show
how heroic Owen is. Throughout the film, Claire is mostly
Owen's foil, and damn he looks good by comparison. In
one moment of the film, Owen is in need of
rescuing from a pterodactyl. Claire saves him by shooting said
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flying reptile. We cheer because Claire reversed the roles and
saved him. However, this empowering moment is short lived, and
I mean very short lived. After being saved, Owen rises
to his feet and immediately kisses Claire as she's preparing
to say something. This move allows him to both assert
and regain power and control. Claire is reduced to a
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blushing and embarrassed girl. With the seconds, Owen takes back
his gun and retakes his role as the alpha of
the group. So I thought that was interesting because in
this very same article they point out that again, this
can be done well, like it can be done where
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you have, in one way or another kind of the
the woman who's never been in the jungle and the
guy who knows everything about the jungle. But the key
to it is that they're learning from each other, and
you're not necessarily making one more the butt of the
joke than the other. She's clear and this is consistently
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the butt of the joke. We're supposed to mock her like, oh,
she's never gotten dirty before, all of these kinds of things.
And again that can be funny like that, that can be.
But if it's done and sort of this very superficial
sexist way and meant to make the male character look
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way better, then that's that's the problem. As I thought
this was interesting, I hadn't really thought about this, but
I found this quote from Refinery twenty nine. The original
Jurassic Park stands out among action films largely because its
protagonists weren't regular action heroes. They were scientists, cool ones, sure,
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but not the kind of people you would expect to
be running around to juggle fighting off massive and dangerous creatures.
And what's more, they didn't so much solve the problem
with violence as they deduced a creative solution and implemented it.
Jeff Goldbloom may have reached peak Internet icon status in
twenty eighteen, but can you imagine him holding up an
action franchise a la Bruce Willis Sam Neil has kind
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of a rugged appeal, but he's not rambo. He's not macho.
If anything, he's a nerd who's just so excited to
be around his long lost monsters, and he and Ali
were equal and professional partners above anything else. Now fast
forward to Jurassic World, and our hero looks very different,
like one hundred pounds of muscle different. Owen Grady is
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a former marine turned dinosaur trainer who, as we see
in the beginning of Fallen Kingdom, enjoys building himself log
cabins and living out of his car. He's the kind
of hero who needs a love interest in order to
shine to redeem him as a hulky man with a
heart of gold. Every shot of him is meant to
emphasize how good he looks in his very fitted pants.
We're supposed to admire his muscular arms, his ability to
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ride motorcycles alongside raptors, his rough stubble, not his intellect.
I think that's a good point, because a lot of
the things that have really resonated with me when I
look back, it's not the like I do love a
superhero movie. Don't get me wrong, you all know that,
but when it comes to this, I do like when
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it's not your super bulky, traditional stereotypical man who is
the hero. I like when it's scientists who are thrown
in this situation or whatever it is. And it did
kind of flip it where he's definitely the hero, she
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is the villain. And when you talk about, like we
briefly discussed John Hammond in the original Jurassic Park, who
we sympathize with, who is humanized, there has been some
conversation about whether or not he should have been, but
he was. And Claire, who's sort of assuming that role
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in this one, is very much not very much not
and is not doesn't have a satisfying, redemptive arc. I
would say she does do in the in the sequels,
she does do some things, but it's it does feel
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this could go back to the writing, but it just
feels like, well, why did you do that? Then? If
now we're having to solve this, that's a whole different thing.
That's a whole different podcasts. But yeah, just the different
treatments we got in the first of the Jurassic World
series versus the first of the Jurassic Park series of
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John Hammond versus Claire is quite different. But yes, this
brings us too Deep Blue Sea, which I really did
not think I was going to find anything written about this,
but I did listeners. So, as I discussed recently in
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a recent classic, I got this headline show up in
my feed that there was a petition for the original
ending of Deep Blue Sea to come out. If you
haven't seen it, yeah, it's not very good, but I
enjoy it. It's about a woman named Susan who is
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trying to cure Alzheimer's and for some movie science reason,
that means experimenting on sharks and their brains in particular,
and of course it goes wrong and ultimately it culminates
in a lot of people dying in their team and
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then her sacrificing herself and dying. And I always thought
the ending was sort of off. I was always like, huh,
I feels a little out of left field. It turns
out I was onto something, because in the original ending,
she survives, she has to kill the shark herself, and
she does, and it's much more of a redemptive like
I realized my mistake, I will take care of it,
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as opposed to her dying in this way, which was
pretty graphic, and she doesn't have like I feel, going
back to what I said at the top, when I'm
talking about like you get redemption and then you die,
it's not that because I feel like with the men
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I'm thinking of when I think of that had a
long time to get that redemption, like three movies at least,
she did not have that. So it was she just
kind of died and very unceremoniously. No one seemed to care. Uh.
But the director said the reason they changed the ending
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was because the audience was like, no, that has to die,
and that's the inspiration of this whole episode. So I
do have some quotes about this here is one from
girl type. In the film, doctor Susan McAllister, played by
white British actress Saffron Burrows, develops a cure for Alzheimer's
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disease using the chemicals in the brains of genetically altered
giant sharks. Burrows position fashion model looks and seems the
obvious candidate for romantic subplot with Carter Blake played by
white actor Thomas Jane, the shark wrangler with the cowboy
attitude and boyish good looks. However, she turns down his
friendly offer to share beer, saying primly, it's all worked
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for me Carter. Susan's sexual reluctance has been established, and
the film goes on to characterize her as frigid, cold
and calculating. Welcome to my parlor, she says coldly when
everyone enters her laboratory. Susan is a black widow, a
spider woman close to being villainized simply because she is
an ambitious scientist and isn't attracted to the leading man.
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And this essay was really interesting because it broke down
a lot of a lot of the pieces of this movie.
But one of the other things was the other woman
who's in this group, because the main group just had
two women, Janis and Janice. Of course blame Susan. So
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here's a quote, you stupid, She cries at Susan, setting
up their oppositional relationships within the film. These two characters
represent a dichotomy of femininity, powerful unfeeling an over emotional
weak victim, which is something we see a lot. I
often think of alien when I think of this psychotomy.
But it also goes back to what I was saying earlier,
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that that seems to be maybe not quite the same.
But your business woman ice cream and your loving mother, like,
those are your two options? Which one? So the quote
goes on. The next to go is Janice, who by
this time is a total basket case. She falls off
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a ladder and into the water, thinks to weak arm muscles,
and splashes around, screaming for Carter to save her. She
is suddenly jerked under the water by a shark, and
the rest of the gang momentarily mourns her loss. Then
she rises up again, arms outstretched in a weirdly graceful
pose like a synchronized swimmer. Her legs are wrapped in
an equally posed way around the shark's vertical snout, but
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its jaws are locked over her crotch. Janie screams and
bleeds in gouts, but stays carefully positioned like a ballet
dancer as the shark attacks her between the legs. Amazingly,
the shot of her emerging from the water like this
is shown twice, but once from the side so we
can see where she has been bitten, and again from
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above so we can see her anguished face, slow mow
bobbing breasts, and the shark's teeth locked over her pelvic area.
Needless to say, I was astounded and disturbed by this image.
Not only are the women's helplessness, weakness, and hysteria treated
as normal feminine characteristics, but she dies as a prettily
posed sex object. The shark gruesomely attacks her vagina, her
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biological difference from men, and the film glories in the
image with elaborate camera work, slow motion, and repeated shots.
In a later scene, the gang explores janisis quarters looking
for batteries for their flashlight. Jan was a healthy girl.
Something in here has to run on batteries, says secondary
white male Scoggins, The goofy member of the gang where
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would a girl keep her vibrator noise thing? I was
outraged that even in death, Janie got reduced to a
dirty joke, reduced to nothing but her vagina, yep, yep.
And I did want to come one day when Samantha's better,
I'd want to come back to this of the history
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of in disaster movies, movies, and horror movies in general,
of women getting consumed by monsters while naked or somehow
skimply clad or are sexy or something like that, and
what that says. But in the meantime, the quote continues,
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Susan is also degraded sexually. She gets trapped by a
shark and has to electrocute it with a nearby clump
of wires. She strips to her underwear and stands on
her wetsuit to insulate herself from the electrical charge. Shivering
and pissed off, she cowers in her tiny white bra
and panties as a flailing shark flames and sparks go everywhere.
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The scene may be an homage to Sigourney Weaver's strip
teas at the end of Alien, but in this case
I was especially angered. Susan is forced to strip to survive.
It says if the movie is punishing her for her
earlier denial of Carter and gloating while she suffers wet
and miserable, and that I will admit, as much as
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I have had my questions of this movie, which I
don't know how to feel about, I always thought, you know, oh,
they feel like they have to put in this scene,
very degraded scene of the woman stripping down, but that
is a good point that she turned down and it
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is off from your hot Action hero guy and now
here she is almost says punishment and then going to
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the ending. So at this point we've got three survivors
from the main group. We've got ll cool j the
Action hero guy and Susan, and the shark is trying
to get free, and they're like, we cannot let this
shark free, and Action Hero Guy jumps in the water,
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but the shark is coming for him. He jumps in
the water to like, I don't know stuff the shark,
and Susan decides she is going to draw the shark's attention,
so she cuts her hand and says come to mama
and jumps in the water. And here is our final
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quote about that the shark approaches her, regards her blankly
for a long moment, and then gobbles her up in
three very separate floody bites. The film pauses deliberately before
picking off Susan, and the subsequent destruction of the shark
is like an anti climactic afterthought. When Preach Hell, Cool
Jay's character fires a lethal explosive charge, he whispers, this
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is for Scoggins. Scoggins, Susan is the one who sacrificed
her life to help kill the shark. Scoggins was comic
relief for Pete's sake. Yet Susan doesn't even get a
hero's memorial. She's nothing but fish food to the sharks
and her companions. I felt cheated by Susan's death and
saddened by how little the surviving characters cared about her.
So yeah, I think that speaks to what we've been
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talking about, is she wasn't very fleshed out. She wasn't
given a lot of moments for sympathy or redemption, where
as a lot of male characters like John Hammond were are.
But it also is a very very fair point that
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the Shark's death is seemingly lesser than her death, like,
she deserved to die more than that shark. And you
can make your arguments about that, because she was, you know,
ethically doing these experiments on sharks that caused this whole thing,
But she did want to make amends and she was
trying to And the fact that we're more supposed to
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be more jubilant that she died rather than this shark
is not the most It's not the most fun thought
I and I do again, I say this as someone
who really doesn't get joy out of death in a
lot of media, but uh, this is always always stuck
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out to me. And when I read that headline, like
I said in that classic where I first mentioned this,
I was like, I knew it. I knew it just
fell off and I yeah, yeah, I had forgotten that
they that they sort of just immediately forget she died,
like oh yeah, this is Fris Coggins. So her death
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felt kind of meaningless. All it was was like, yeah,
she deserved to die, Let's move on. And I do
think there is a conversation to be had about you know,
responsibility and her taking responsibility for what she did. But
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I just feel very strongly this was punishing an ambitious
woman who wasn't into the lead man, and so we
were supposed to revel in it as opposed to all
of the redemptive arcs we grant men who are more
fleshed out in terms of character. But yeah, it's also
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I know some of you are probably scratching your red
and like, why are we talking so much about this
bad shark movie? But it matters. The stuff we consume matters,
and I was curious, So I was pretty sure I
knew why, but I was curious why they changed the
ending go. When I read it, I was like, oh, yep,
that makes total sense that the audience were like, yeah,
just kill her. We don't want to have to deal
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with her, and you have to like her. I get
a lot of parts she wasn't very likable, but that's
part of the issue. I don't know, maybe I'm talking
to myself in circles. I do have other episodes coming
up about Jurassic Park and some other disaster things disaster movies.
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But in the meantime, please let me know if you
have any thoughts on this. I don't know if I'm
the only one out there clearly not. I can't believe
I've felt some great essays about it, but I would
love to hear from all of you. Hopefully, Samantha, we
miss you. I don't know if you'll ever listen to this.
I feel again. I feel like I'm a child who's
gotten free and can do whatever I want. But we
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