September 28, 2024 • 43 mins
We're gonna love this for a long, long time. Some tears are shed as we discuss queer stories and love after the third episode of The Last of Us in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
I've never told your protection. iHeart radio, and we are
back with another classic from our Last of Us Watch
recap series mini series that we did when the show
(00:28):
was premiering. This episode was the big one where I
cried a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It won some Emmy's. Nick Offerman won an Emmy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I have to say I've gotten multiple gifts based on
this episode specifically, But man, I was crying, true I
got I think. The next day we had to record
with Bridget and I was my face was so swollen
because I've been crying so hard. I'm bridge It was like,
(01:06):
what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Are you okay? Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This was a really good I mean, it's a great episode.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It was a good example of like, because you and
I were talking about this recently, there are some choices.
I'm very curious to see what they do in the
second season. And I was saying, like, I'm generally not
someone it has to be exactly like it was in
the game or the book or whatever. But if the
heart of it is there, if the core of it
is there, that's what I like. But if you change that,
(01:35):
that's when I get mad. So that the case of
Bill and Frank in this episode, that's it's a blip
in the game. But it was such a lovely expansion
of this world and what it looks like, and so
that was something that I was like, Yeah, that wasn't
the game, but I'm very happy.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, we did do it. We were all I think
everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I remember before it came out, they were like, episode
three is gonna make you cry.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So I went in nervous and they were correct. Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I still have that video. I think it's on our TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think, well, I cried it way, I cried it
like everyone she did.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
But that was the only one I've recorded.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You I feel like you recorded the finale.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes I did.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I was crying and that one too as well. I'm
not sure if we're going to bring back all these classics.
Maybe we'll save some for the whenever then it comes back,
the second season comes back, but we might bring back
some more. I don't know, but this is a good
one either way. Yes to like put a put a
pin in it for now, So please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, I'm come to stuff
I've never told you.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Production of iHeart Radio and Welcome to are very very.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Special, not sponsored by HBO or the Last of Us,
the Last of Us mini series.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It is something that I am enjoying so much.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was telling Samantha the other day, It's like, I
don't even think of it as work.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I'm just like, I can't wait to do this.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You get so excited.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I do.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I do.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
As we said, this is going to replace my happy hours.
We're going to do one kind of an after show
review a week after the current episode of the Last
of Us TV show, which is yes on HBO Max.
So you have a week, you have a week before
it comes out, but we will be spoiling the first
three episodes. And I'm going to say, because I sent
(03:56):
you that I've been sending you just random headlines about
the Last of Us, I read that the purchases of
the first game is up three hundred percent. I will say,
if you don't want to be spoiled in the game,
this is the biggest divergence from the game, and we
are going to talk about what happens in the game
and why it's different. So that's about the five to
(04:18):
seven hour mark in the game. Yes, today we are
talking about episode three, which was the one I was
so so excited about a long long time. I believe
it's called so Good. But yeah, this is a March nineteenth.
I think it's the last one. It's a temporary thing,
(04:39):
but it is very much enjoyed and thank you for
coming on this journey and letting me do it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So Anie, I do have to burst your bubble in that.
I know that we were really saying that you should
have been the one to do the HBO podcast, But
did you know it was actually the voice of Joel
that hosts the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I have been informed of y.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm sorry, so although you are close second, thank you. Okay, Okay,
So I don't I don't want you to get upset
with me, but yeah, it makes sense that he would
be the one to host the podcast with the creators
Neil and I'm calling them Neil and Craig like a
lot of my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, And we have talked about this before where if
I was a voice actor in the game, I'm not
gonna lie. I would be I don't know it hurt.
I'd be sad that I wasn't like in the show,
and sometimes it makes sense and sometimes but we get
like Marlene, it's the same voice actor.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Which is very very cool, and the clickers, so that
is awesome. But I guess I'll let Troy Baker.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yes, I don't. Well, like I was like, oh that
makes okay, Well, okay, that makes sense. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry to you, but yes, but again you are a
close second.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Thank you. All right.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
So yes, Peter Whore is the director of this episode
a long long time and Linda Ronstat's music apparently is
going up right now. My partner has been listening to
depeche Mode though, so that is also a throwout to that.
But yeah, let's do a recap.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Are you ready for it?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Annie? You're gonna cry? Yeah. Actually, before we do the recap,
let me do this warning.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
This is rated.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
AE because Annie, it's going to be emotional. Yeah, so
there's gonna be a lot of emotions here from Annie,
so just send me too, but more so you. But yeah,
so go ahead and get that rating as well as
I need to take a big deep breath with me. Annie. Okay, okay,
we're there, Okay, let's begin.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Let's do it here.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
We have just lost Test. In episode two, the both
Ellie and Joel are trying to regroup, eating a little food.
Her first speech to him kind of is, look, you
made a choice. You and Test knew the dangers. No
one forced you. You wanted the battery, and this is
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what it took, so please stop blaming me. So she
kind of just go ahead and says that. He's very quiet,
doesn't say much. So they travel because they are supposed
to get too bills. That was the instructions from Tests.
As we are traveling, we come up on mini sites,
a crash plane, the bodies of people who were murdered
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because there was not enough room for them at the QZ.
And there's a lot of conversation happening in between this,
so she's getting a lot of detail from things, including
how it first began. So we do get that the
rice and flower possibly it spread and then they started biting.
So we get all of that information and then we
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have a flashback. We love a good flashback. In this flashback,
we see the clothing of two murdered victims and they're
alive and well as a mom and a baby who
were being driven off from a neighborhood. What is it Bedford, Bedford,
bedd or something, Yeah, Bedford, in which they are being transported.
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Next thing we see is Nick Offerman, who was playing
Bill all I guess in his bunker with his gun
ready to go because he was not gonna be taken.
What was his line?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Not today New World Order Jack boots.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
There you go, that's the line. And here we see
Daddy nick Goferman. I did call him daddy because it's
like I was like a look what oh, yes, we
see Daddy nick Offerman slash Bill hiding in his bunker.
After everybody leaves, he comes out gleefully, y'all gleefully. And
also there was a lot of wine. I still understand
(08:55):
why they didn't take the wine. There's so much wine there.
But I digress, and he Leefley, goes in, gets his truck,
puts his boat on his truck to show, takes out
the seats, goes to the hardware stores, go to the
drug stores, go to all the places, and loads up.
He then puts a trap so that people can't come
(09:16):
get him, and none of the clickers and zombies can
come get him. As in fact, in one of the
scenes we see a clicker trying to get close and
he gets shot in the head.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Boots like Bill's enjoying a fancy meal and wine.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
With his giant generator that he has surveillance for everywhere.
He is enjoying his good meal, enjoying his wine, having
a final time. Oh no, something comes into a trap
and he comes out. I was like, oh god, what
am I going to do? And he points a gun.
He yells and here's this person in a ditch, essentially
his little trap. After verifying that he wasn't infected, he
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helps them out. Of course, he's like, you know, you
need to move on your way and that dude like, look,
I'm really hungry. I haven't eaten in two days. I'm Frank,
please give me the food. And he's like, dude, this
is not Narby's. You can't get free food.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The response was.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You had to pay at Arby's obviously, hahaha, joke, joke, joke.
Then he kind of like, you know what, Okay, okay,
you can come in. We can do things, dude. The
stranger Frank takes a shower, very long shower, which I
would too, to be honest, comes out dressed and he's like,
you know if you had a meal. Okay, we'll get
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you a meal. Oh and between all this, of course
Bill gets some some extra clothes, super nice, super nice.
And they have a meal, a lovely meal with bojolet wine,
which that brand's gonna skyrocket, I bet, as well as
cooked rabbit. Correct is it?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Rabbit?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Delicious? Meal has the best meal. Frank is hesitating charge.
He's like, you know, I go, but let me look.
You've got a piano, let me go. Play on your piano.
Plays the Linda Ronstadt song badly. Yes, And then of
course Bill comes and shows them up a little bit,
does the thing. And the question is what girl were
you thinking of? And he says there's no girl, and
(11:13):
Frank says, I know. Kiss magic happens. And then they're like,
let's go, Sayers take you off your clothes. Literally, he
says that to him. And then the question is you know,
have you ever been and he's like, no, only a
girl a long time ago. And he's like, I'll take
care of you. Other favorite line is you know I'm
not a whore. I don't sleep with every man that
makes me lunch, not even a good lunch, not even
(11:37):
a good lunch. So you know, there's that. We move on.
They are a beautiful couple. There's a lot of ups
and sounds. We see them coming together. He's like, I
need more people, I need company. I need to make
this a happy place. I'm going to go fix this
this and the boutique and you need to let me.
And he was like, and also, we're gonna have company.
And he's like what. He's like, I've been talking to
(11:59):
a little He's like, what on the radio? And exactly,
And we have Tests and Joel coming in. They're having
a lovely alfresco dinner or lunch. As they are sitting there.
Of course, Bill is pointing a gun at Joel the
entire time, rightly so wild tests and Frank a gallivant
off to show the house.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Do do do?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
After that, they become a fixture in their lives. They're
I'm gonna put quote friends. Frank's their friend. Bill's just
there and so is Joel. Essentially, but they do have
a deal going on where they do trade back and
forth and all these things moving on. We see and
Joel warns them. So this was one of those moments
(12:42):
that the director and the writers tricked us again. This
is gonna be the end, right, because Joel warns there
there's raiders coming through. You're gonna need protection. We can
help you all these things, and Bill's like, I got
this all of a sudden. Next thing we know, we
hear fire and gunshots and all these things, and there
are raiders coming through, and Nick Governman's in the middle
of the street, not behind anything, just shooting away, shooting away.
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Brake comes down to assist with a gun. I think
he kind of distracts Bill. Bill gets shot, and then
we're watching all the other ones getting burned up and
fired up and all those and blown up because all
of the rigs. And then Frank carries Bill in. Bill
tells him all these dying things, you need to take
care of this. They just take care of this. And
then we see Frank He's got I got you. I'm
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taking care of you. Thinking he's a part of the
medical field because he seems to know a lot of things.
And then we flash forward to someone in a wheelchair.
My automatic exumption was Bill, but it isn't. It's Frank.
Frank's in a wheelchair. It is twenty years later, I guess.
So it starts out two thousand and three is when
we have the first him hiding in the bunker. Two
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thousand and seven is when Frank shows up. We're back
now to that twenty twenty three and Frank's in a wheelchair.
We find out Frank's sick. He needs a lot of help.
He doesn't feel good, but Bill is taking care of him,
are doing such great things. He puts him to bed.
They wake up the next day and Frank is sitting
in the wheelchair and Bill's like, what did you do?
(14:08):
It's going to help you, and Frank says, you know,
it took me all night to do this, but I
got here. And then he says today is my last day.
And they he comes up with a whole whole plan
about how he's suffering. There's nothing they can do. There's
no doctors. Even though Bill's like, wait, maybe we can
find one. All these things, He's like, no, you know,
(14:29):
I've had a lot of good days. I've had a
lot of bad days, and they were with you, but
I've had a lot more good days. And I would
like this to be a good day. Ay s you're
about to cry. I'd like to see a good day.
And he rattles off all the things that would be
a good day, including him them dressing up, them getting married,
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and them having a final dinner with him crushing up
all the pills in the wine so that Frank could
take it where he can go and die in Bill's
arms for the last time. So all these things. Oh
forgot the strawberry part because this is like, we need
that strawberry part. During the middle of before all this,
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Joel trades things with trades for a gun, apparently a
small gun, so it says Franks for seeds for strawberries,
and we have the cutest giggling moment, which was very
Ron Swanson, like I will say, but it was very
cute of them enjoying something they hadn't had in so
long that they grew. It was a beautiful scene.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Scene has become a meme for many people. I feel like,
and this is sadness and happiness all at the same time.
And then we're back to them doing the marriage, looking
handsome together, eating the last meal which was as the
same as the first meal, with the same wine, beautifully done,
and he crushes up this amount of pills dumps it
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into Frank's wine. Frank gulps it down. Frank looks at Bill.
Bill gulps his wine down, which clicks, oh, you already
put some pills in the street, and he's like how much?
He said enough to kill a horse, and he's like,
I don't want to be here without you. I've lived
my best days with you.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is enough.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
So the next thing we know, they go off to bed.
In scene next week come back to seeing Joel and
Ellie arrive at the fence. He knows something wrong because
there's nothing going off, so he goes gets the code,
goes in and they can't find them. He goes to
the door to open it, but it's stuck. And then
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Ellie finds the note, a note in which is so
if Bill talking about how I don't like you, but
I know you. Who finds this because anybody else would
have been blown up? Ellie reading that part is my
favorite thing. And then he also gets instructions to take
care of the ones he loves, take care of tests,
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which is nice to the heart. Yeah, and then at
the end he's like, hey, we're in the bedroom. I
left the window open, don't come in, leave us alone.
Take whatever you need. Good luck essentially, and yeah, so
they go through get things, get a shower. For the
first time. Here we see Ellie's signature shirt from the
video game, and we see Joel wearing the shirt that
(17:15):
was given to Frank the first day he was there. Yeah,
and then they take the car, they get the battery,
and they move on their way.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
With Linda Ronstatt playing with Linda.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Ronstat playing in the back in the truck.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So Joel has decided like, after I've he read the letter,
I'm trying to find my brother Tommy.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You stork with the fireflies, I will take you with me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Ellie, I will take you with me, because they're trying
to get her to the fireflies, and uh, I think
reading that letter, he was like, Okay, yes, I guess
I'll try to.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
There was another scene we see Ellie kind of coming
in our own where she goes down finds Tampa, which
I did appreciate that scene. I was like, yeah, she
looks like she's hit the jackpot with those box of tampoons,
which that's where she kind of runs into the clicker
that's been buried underneath a rubble as she stabs him
in the face.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
After having a very like contemplative morbid curiosity.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, moments which we are going to talk about that
once again. Excellent recamp, Samantha.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Thank you you did get tears flowing.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I also going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
As we said, we we watched these together.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We're probably gonna watch all of them together.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I'm sorry. I regret that I didn't do it
before and after shot up Annie. I really should have.
I might do that for episode five, h just but
I will do it before and after.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
It wasn't good everyone, I mean it was, it was lovely.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I love I'm somebody who get a lot of Catharsis
out of this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I know it doesn't do that for everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
In fact, I've had at least four people now it's
gone up like why are.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You doing this to me? And I'm like, it's not
my fault, right.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And I know we're going to talk more about this,
but this is definitely a variation. And as someone who
was just the watcher, this was so much more impactful
and beautifully done. And the way they wrote the script
was a love letter and it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, and it's been really like it's sad and it's
been cool. At the same time to how many people
are writing about it and how much like they cried
and how moved.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
They were by it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And I should say, we had a lovely meal steak
sandwich which is from the game, so smashed potatoes, russels,
and me and one of my other good friends, Katie
has been on the show. We're sitting on oo sides
of the couch and I think I could just hear
like sniffling from her, snibbling from me. And I cried
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so hard that the next day I stayed over at Samantha's.
The next day I came down, my face was so swollen.
I did not see her right in front of me,
right in front of me.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I was like, my face is still a little Yes,
we recorded yesterday as well, and you were like I
was just stop trying, essentially.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And then I left and watched it go and cried
and started yea, And I knew I'd read a bunch
of things. I think I've been teasing it. I knew
this one was going to be a real heartbreaker. I
did want to talk about. Like the biggest thing obviously
with this one is the departure from the game, and
is the story of Bill and Frank. So here's the
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part what I'm going to talk about what happens in
the game if you really don't want to know, it
is different. So it's also really easy to miss, as
I said, so honestly, he'd probably be fine.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
But so.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
In the game, you need the car battery and you
go to what's called Bill's town because he's just booby trapped.
Everything just everything is booby trapped, and he lives there
by himself and he's more like Tessa's friend, but it's
still a very like transactional what supplies can we get
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each other?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And come to find out via reading notes.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Frank is his romantic partner and Frank has killed himself
to get away from Bill, or that's what the note says,
is like I can't take one more day with you.
I would rather be dead than living next to a
miserable person like you. And it's like, like I said,
you can miss it. You could literally bypass most of this.
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So it's like a really dark story, and I get
what they were trying to do. They're trying to tell you, like, well,
who is surviving this and what does it take to
survive it? And it doesn't look like the quote heavy
quote like good people are surviving. It seems like kind
of these like really miserable that's what it takes to
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survive in this world.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And Frank has has killed himself.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they don't even say, like outright that they're partners,
but it's very clearly.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Implied, right, Yeah, So that story is very subtle. I
will say, like, there are moments in the show where
we think that's going to happen. So when he runs
out the door arguing like, yeah, I'm miserable doing this.
I can't do it like you. You need to let
me do me to be happy. So they did this.
The writers did this on purpose to mess with us.
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I know, because I'm like, ah, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, well, and I'm going to talk about that in
a second, because there's a couple of reasons why I
love what they did so much better in the show,
and some of them have been really poignantly written about,
because a lot people have already written about this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did want to say.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I read an interesting article from the creator about like
the importance of not only hiring Sis Murray Bartlett played
played Frank, who is a gay man, but he also
hired like queer like camera people, middle aged, queer camera people,
and like the in the story and the director was
so it was like diversity in like multiple levels. It
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wasn't just the actor. And we talked about that with
Nick Offerman in it, who I also read a lot
of interviews with him and about how seriously he took
this and how he knew, like everyone working on this knew,
like this is a huge deal and we can't mess
it up because you don't see this.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That often on television.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You don't see it in action and horror and video
game world, like right, you don't see this, and you don't.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
See it played out as a genuine love story. You
see it being kitchy or comical or dramatic. But this
was just genuine sweet love like kindness.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, And that's one of the things that I was
immediately when they first meet. I was like, oh, like
because it Frank is Bill is very much.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He even says like the survivalist.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
He has this kind of like outward persona where we
talked about afterwards, like was it internalized homophobia? Was it
the like apocalypse made him feel like, oh I can
be myself or do this or whatever it is, But
that scene where he's serving like this very lovely meal
and then he brings out the wine and he's like,
I know, I don't see like the type, and Frank
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just says so sincerely, like, oh no, yeah, you do.
It was just like a really lovely, like there's so
many stereotypes of tropes in there that really shouldn't be there,
but they are, and so it was just such a
nice like And then you get to see Bill playing
the piano and he's singing this song, very like moving
emotional song, and he's a masculine dude like Nick Offerman.
Even his outside persona is a very masculine dude.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I mean, I love the memes. That's just pretty much
him as Ron Swanson being faced with the lines from
the Last of Us again, You and I have talked
about and my partner and I talked about that. At first,
I was concerned. I was like, why is Nick Offerman,
who is very openly in a relationship with Megan Malaley,
so like it seemed kind of like, you know, this
seems kind of could they have done this wrong? But
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the conversation is it is a very masculine dude who's
never been able to face his own self, which is
why he's like, I've never done this, I've never been that,
but discovering that person with him. And it's also this
conversation and I read the recently an interview with a
director where he said, it's this conversation of maybe he's
not even necessarily gay, but he was in love with Frank.
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It was the person that was that Frank. He found
the one he loved and it was Frank. It's not
about sexuality discovering that. It was that And I don't
want to take away from that, but like the truth
of the matter is, this is a conversation I've had
with you about like I identify as heterosexual. That's never
been a thing. I've never been with a woman. I've
never been really attracted to a woman. But at the
(26:24):
same time, I do love people. So there could be
this conversation of like, if I met someone else and
they happened to be identifying as a woman or as
non binary or what, that doesn't matter. I would be
in love with that person. And that's that whole spectrum
of sexuality that we've been talking about that it doesn't
really need I get labels, and it's good to have
(26:44):
labels if you need that and understanding who you are.
But it could be as simple as I love this person,
and he loved Frank with all his heart and he
did not know love like that until he met Frank.
And that could be in the story and not necessarily
any anything else being the byline. And of course Nick
Offerman understands that love.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a lot of interesting conversations
and things written about it because I remember the first
time I played the second one and no spoilers, I promised,
But the second one has queer storylines as well, and
they were still they're still homophobia, and I remember being
so disappointed. It's not like those things go away, right,
(27:26):
But I was like, there's zombies, the world is and
you're still doing this. So there I read. I read
an article with the creator too, where he was like,
what would it be, you know, in the in the
world after this, would we still hold on to those
things or would we not?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And I do love like that scene where they're.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Fighting again, as Samantha said, it really was setting you
up like, oh, it's coming, it's coming, but it was
such like a sweet they're different people, but he did
kind of he was like, okay, Yeah, he wasn't happy
about it, but he's like, all right, what you want
to paint, we'll have the dinner party.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It was it was a little bit of comic relief.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So this was a quote from the interview from Inverse
with Peter Whore. He says, and he's talking about Nick
Offerman playing this character and why Bill was so complicated.
He says, he was never going to naturally discover who
he was to fall in love with or who we
found attractive until Frank came along. And even then it
wasn't just about being a man. It was because he
was Frank. It was because Frank is Frank. I felt
(28:26):
like it was about making sure to keep reminding them
all of that. And he goes, it's not as complicated
perhaps as it sounds, is about heart and love and truth.
And I love that, and I was like, yeah, oh god,
yes he speaks to me.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, oh God. And also like.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Going back to these like tropes, we see, these stereotypes
we see not just with career characters, which just was
like men and a man like Nick Opferman slash Bill.
I think that seeing where Frank kind of takes over
and like this is your first time like being very
like kind and careful and very consensual, you know, like
(29:03):
hey and having because in our society it's like man,
of course you manly man.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You've had so.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Much sex and that's your conquest with women and that's
how you. But he just said kind of like no,
one time with the girl, and I don't know, there
was something about that that was nice too. It was
sort of a refreshing change on that and I liked
that Frank kind of it's like, okay, well we'll start
with the simple things and we'll wear it out. Like
it was just very sweet, right, what Yeah, So we're
(29:47):
kind of moving into the territory I want to talk
about where why I think it was so much better
that they did it this way than how they did
in the game. One is because there are a couple
of tropes here that are kind of immediately concerned because
they've been handled so badly before. And one is, you
know with queer love stories, a lot of the time
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they do die, and that is what happened here. But
it wasn't like a tragic oh we never knew these
people and they got killed off. It was like finding joy.
It was seeing the life that they lived, which was
quite a long life, right, that they lived together and
finding joy and finding purpose in each other in this apocalypse.
And I was telling you, like, I've made this outline
(30:30):
of how I think every episode of the show is
going to go, and it's so grim every I'm like, whoa,
how are they.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Going to do this?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So it was such a nice thing to see, like
finding that humanity and finding that connection and finding that
love in the context of this.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Well, that's the thing is, like they didn't die, they
didn't get killed off violently, they didn't go through and
try to save someone, or they weren't murdered. But because
of who they were, none of that happened. And they
grew older together and they decided to go out together
and talking about how happy their days were, how some
of the days were bad and they were all worth
(31:10):
it with each other, and like to also like the
whole ending of him, like I want you to hold
me for the last time. That was such a moment
because that could they wrew into this loving relationship and
it was loving, like everything they had was about love,
and even that being just them, they were content.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, Well and they did really good job of that too,
because you could tell like they were different people. They
were very different people, and they had fights and disagreements
and the days weren't easy. But that was something else
that I really liked was when oh, no, I'm getting
your eye. Even when he says, like Bill says at
(31:51):
the end, like I'm satisfied. It's not that they like like,
oh my lives are so our lives are so miserable,
let's just end it. It's like, well, we've had a
lot of good days together. Yeah, I want to go
with you.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh right, and she's trying. All is happening. Yes, And
I do love that way they closed out. I didn't
talk about this. They closed out the scene with an
ode to the video game, which is where you start
to say play or not start, is a window open
with breezes. They intentionally did that at the end as
an ode.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
To the game. Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
But I also liked that that you never see their bodies.
It's not gratuitous.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
They try not to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, I really liked that because we've talked about that
with ableism and kind of that whole you know, oh,
I'm in a wheelchair, I'd rather be dead. It didn't
give me that vibe at all. It just kind of
gave me like, you know, I'm happy, right, and it's
not gonna write.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And I think the biggest part to that is that
he had pain. He had so much pain, and that
was kind of that conversation is like, I'm all I'm
doing is hurting. And of course, yeah, there's always a
conversation about ableism, but also free will and free choice.
There's so much to that in the conversation. But he
had found joy for the longest time up until the
(33:06):
point that he couldn't handle the pain. And I think
they insinuated he's been in a wheelchair for a minute.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And it was so nice, like they didn't just show
the sad times like that scene with the strawberry.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh my god, oh god. It was like such a
joyful thing that they shared together, like.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
The giggle and the joy and the fact that Frank
hid that for a while. That because it takes like
a good six months to grow like that size. Mmmm,
it looked really good though, I will think that it did,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And then I did want to say this would probably
be my like ominous hint of the of the episode,
because they have those kind of behind the scenes things
at the end of you know what was going on
in this when.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They were making it and creating it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And one of the things that I think Neil Juckman,
who made the video game, said was like where love
contain AQ? And so I think this was like a
happy example, whereas in the game it wasn't right, but
in this it was a happy example.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But I would yeah, I would say that's a very.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Good outline for this whole show is where love can
take you, and that can be very bad, and that
can be very good, and it can be in between
a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
There is definitely the comparison to Joel with the note
where he's talking about like protect tests I got to
protect Frank. He says, men like us protect and then
he's wearing the shirt. It's a lot of comparison of.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Like, well what will Joel? Where will love take Joel?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So I'll leave that there, and then I yeah, we
need to briefly.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Touch on Ellie. I think, of course, because.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
This was.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We were Samith and I were talking about this. I
don't think this is a big departure, but she's definitely.
She's a little like Harsher's too strong, but like Rougher edged.
For the beginning of the game, she's Bella. Ramsy's portrayed
her as Rover edged and so like this seem er.
She kills the zombie, which she doesn't tell Joel about.
(35:13):
She stole the gun and doesn't tell Joel about it.
She I like how they did really they're already planting
the seeds. That she's very insecure and how she's going
to survive in this world because she kept asking like, well,
what if Billy and frankkart there? What if Bill and
Frank won't take me? Which is I mean, yeah, it
would be terrifying. What is going to happen to me?
Are you just going to leave me if they're not there?
(35:37):
And we also at the same time see Joel trying
to protect Ellie's innocence, where he's like, no, we should will.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Take the longer way.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I don't want you to go that way because you'll
see something you don't want to see, and that's where
the mass gravesite is, whereas Ellie immediately is like, well,
now I have to go see it. And I think
that's the dichotomy of he grew up in this time
where he remembers like his daughter Sarah, and he remembers
like that kind of protecting level of children. Ellie has
never really known that she's just growing up in a
(36:07):
zombie a buocalypse worlds or that sort of part of
her life. And so I think that's sort of a
push and pull between them of him really wanting to
protect what he views is like her childish inno sense
and her being really really frustrated because she's like that
this is the world we live in, right.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, and yeah, when we were talking about it, like
the way I interpreted, both of them were a little
different as where the Ellie in the game to me
was more willing to go with everything. Joel said a
little few definitely a lot of questions, but it was like, Okay,
didn't push too hard. The Bella Ramsey Ellie, she does
that too. She pushes, she pushes, but then she knows
(36:45):
when to stop because he makes the face and she
backs off. But like the whole killing of the zombie,
the moment that as the director was saying, was like,
you know from episode two, episode one, she is intrigued
by him beating the hell out of that guard and
not disgusted, which was the opposite reaction to Sarah from
(37:06):
Sarah who was like horrified to see that he had
killed that monster who was a neighbor. But like, the
differences are pretty pretty stark. Again, this has to do that, Yes,
Ellie has been alone, She's seen something essentially, and she's
just waiting her turn to die. It seems so that
makes sense to that. But yeah, there's a small difference
(37:28):
in the attitudes on how Ashley Johnson, the voice of
the original Ellie, portrayed it versus what Bella Ramsey's doing
with this role. But again, Bella Ramsey, her whole persona
is a little bit tougher. We saw that with the
Game of Thrones, like she was intense, and this does
fit that as survival mode.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, well, I also think it's interesting because we did
talk about this too. Like I said, I think Ashley
Johnson just kind of has a her voice and her
the way she approached it in the game, which is
kind of softer. She's still like she curses like a sailor.
I would never mess with her, but she I think
(38:08):
the way they did it was much more and were
depending on Ellie. Four these rare, bright moments of habbits,
which does still happen because she'll still be like, oh wow,
I've never been in the woods. Oh well, I've never
done this and this, and sort of that child like wonder.
But I think also because we know, because you and
I the insiders, know what happens in the second one
(38:28):
and how it ends. The first one ends, I feel,
oh no, another ominous hint. I feel like they're kind
of planting other seats.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
No, the director said that behind the scenes, you're seeing
something different for a reason, outside of just her environment currently,
that that definitely is a whole thing and it only grows.
I mean in that environment, can you be anything more
than callous? Though?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
And that's the question, that's a question. Where does love
take Ellie?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
This is your this is like your hypothesis for every episode,
and be like, where does love go in this one?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Oh gosh?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And I know I also told Samantha. I think I've
said this in previous ones. I do have like a
kind of overarching I'm say critiques, but some critics, but
like thoughts about these tropes. I'm saving them for the
last one because I think, like even just talking about
them without spoiling them is spoiling them, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So just know that that is coming.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And a lot of stuff with Ellie's characters sort of
tricky to talk about, but she does have the scene
in the game as well where Joel puts in this
music and it's like, oh, it's so good and she's
like whatever, But then they bond over the they bond
over the music. So it's that you can see the
the bonding is happening. It's beginning, it is beginning. I
did want to mention the awkward dinner party. There is
(39:47):
that awkward dinner party between Joel and Test and Bill
and Frank, and I loved it because it was so awkward.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It was so good of Frank going Bill really yes,
and the lowering of the gun yes.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Well we were talking about it too.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's so funny how like a lot of times couples
do kind of not always, but they'll kind of follow
along those lines where you've got the one that's like, oh,
I do not want to be here, and the other
ones like book please, I want friends, test as sort
of that version and then Francis of that version.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I like seeing them kind of bond, right. I did
I love that. I've always been meaning to mention.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
This is largely based on a book called The World
Without Us, which is a book that is about what
would happen if humanity just disappeared. So a lot of
the like imagery and all that stuff comes from that.
There is a documentary about the game, how the game
is made, and it's awesome. Obviously wait till you finish
the show if you don't want to be surprised, but
it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
It's got a fun alternate ending.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And then just to say yeah, like the response after
this one has been like hugely positive, but just so
many people, especially in the queer space, like, you know,
I haven't seen this, or it's just especially as I said,
in this sort of like action horror video game realm.
So that's why I'm glad they did it this as
opposed to oh, you just find Frank's dead body.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
This is so much better.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yes, agreed, Agreed. I was wrong in my next week predictions.
I was wrong about the bloater, but I did you
heard me talk about it before where I had revised
my my prediction because it's too early for the it's
not the game, but in the show, right, I think
I know what happens.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The next one is too much more spoiler, but.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Ye into trauma every I mean every.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Every time, every time, every time. Oh my gosh, what
an emotional roller coaster this is.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I really watched it again the night.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I don't know, I know you will, so you will.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Thank you, thank you, thank you Samantha Hosting for supporting
me my passions.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Thank you listeners. I hope you're enjoying it. I have.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I've enjoyed all of my I mean, it does kind
of overwhelm me, but I've enjoyed all the messages I've gotten.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
About it, especially the like whyey.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Threw my arms up in the air you couldn't see it.
But oh well, I can't wait for the next episode.
I think I texted you the next day. I was like, oh,
so excited, so excited, So be on the lookout for that.
As we said, these are coming out every Saturday, a
week after the newest episode to prepare you for the
(42:31):
next one, right right, Just the recaps, just the recap,
and uh, you know, I could talk about this forever.
I think the second I think the last episode is
going to be two parter, but we'll see it's gonna
but then we'll go back to our regularly scheduled ish programming.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Promise, Promise, Promise.
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Hey, this is Anny and Samantha and welcome to stuff
I've never told your protection. iHeart radio, and we are
back with another classic from our Last of Us Watch
recap series mini series that we did when the show
(00:28):
was premiering. This episode was the big one where I
cried a lot.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
It won some Emmy's. Nick Offerman won an Emmy.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
I have to say I've gotten multiple gifts based on
this episode specifically, But man, I was crying, true I
got I think. The next day we had to record
with Bridget and I was my face was so swollen
because I've been crying so hard. I'm bridge It was like,
(01:06):
what's happened here?
Speaker 2 (01:07):
Are you okay? Are you okay?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (01:11):
This was a really good I mean, it's a great episode.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
It was a good example of like, because you and
I were talking about this recently, there are some choices.
I'm very curious to see what they do in the
second season. And I was saying, like, I'm generally not
someone it has to be exactly like it was in
the game or the book or whatever. But if the
heart of it is there, if the core of it
is there, that's what I like. But if you change that,
(01:35):
that's when I get mad. So that the case of
Bill and Frank in this episode, that's it's a blip
in the game. But it was such a lovely expansion
of this world and what it looks like, and so
that was something that I was like, Yeah, that wasn't
the game, but I'm very happy.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
Yes, we did do it. We were all I think
everybody loved it.
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Yeah, I knew.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
I remember before it came out, they were like, episode
three is gonna make you cry.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So I went in nervous and they were correct. Correct.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
I still have that video. I think it's on our TikTok.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
I think, well, I cried it way, I cried it
like everyone she did.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
But that was the only one I've recorded.
Speaker 2 (02:21):
You I feel like you recorded the finale.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Yes I did.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
I was crying and that one too as well. I'm
not sure if we're going to bring back all these classics.
Maybe we'll save some for the whenever then it comes back,
the second season comes back, but we might bring back
some more. I don't know, but this is a good
one either way. Yes to like put a put a
pin in it for now, So please enjoy this classic episode.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha, I'm come to stuff
I've never told you.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Production of iHeart Radio and Welcome to are very very.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
Special, not sponsored by HBO or the Last of Us,
the Last of Us mini series.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
It is something that I am enjoying so much.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I was telling Samantha the other day, It's like, I
don't even think of it as work.
Speaker 2 (03:27):
I'm just like, I can't wait to do this.
Speaker 4 (03:29):
You get so excited.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I do.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I do.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
As we said, this is going to replace my happy hours.
We're going to do one kind of an after show
review a week after the current episode of the Last
of Us TV show, which is yes on HBO Max.
So you have a week, you have a week before
it comes out, but we will be spoiling the first
three episodes. And I'm going to say, because I sent
(03:56):
you that I've been sending you just random headlines about
the Last of Us, I read that the purchases of
the first game is up three hundred percent. I will say,
if you don't want to be spoiled in the game,
this is the biggest divergence from the game, and we
are going to talk about what happens in the game
and why it's different. So that's about the five to
(04:18):
seven hour mark in the game. Yes, today we are
talking about episode three, which was the one I was
so so excited about a long long time. I believe
it's called so Good. But yeah, this is a March nineteenth.
I think it's the last one. It's a temporary thing,
(04:39):
but it is very much enjoyed and thank you for
coming on this journey and letting me do it.
Speaker 4 (04:44):
So Anie, I do have to burst your bubble in that.
I know that we were really saying that you should
have been the one to do the HBO podcast, But
did you know it was actually the voice of Joel
that hosts the podcast.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
I have been informed of y.
Speaker 4 (05:00):
I'm sorry, so although you are close second, thank you. Okay, Okay,
So I don't I don't want you to get upset
with me, but yeah, it makes sense that he would
be the one to host the podcast with the creators
Neil and I'm calling them Neil and Craig like a
lot of my friends.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Yeah, And we have talked about this before where if
I was a voice actor in the game, I'm not
gonna lie. I would be I don't know it hurt.
I'd be sad that I wasn't like in the show,
and sometimes it makes sense and sometimes but we get
like Marlene, it's the same voice actor.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Which is very very cool, and the clickers, so that
is awesome. But I guess I'll let Troy Baker.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Yes, I don't. Well, like I was like, oh that
makes okay, Well, okay, that makes sense. I'm sorry. I'm
sorry to you, but yes, but again you are a
close second.
Speaker 2 (05:57):
Thank you. All right.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
So yes, Peter Whore is the director of this episode
a long long time and Linda Ronstat's music apparently is
going up right now. My partner has been listening to
depeche Mode though, so that is also a throwout to that.
But yeah, let's do a recap.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Are you ready for it?
Speaker 4 (06:15):
Annie? You're gonna cry? Yeah. Actually, before we do the recap,
let me do this warning.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
This is rated.
Speaker 4 (06:25):
AE because Annie, it's going to be emotional. Yeah, so
there's gonna be a lot of emotions here from Annie,
so just send me too, but more so you. But yeah,
so go ahead and get that rating as well as
I need to take a big deep breath with me. Annie. Okay, okay,
we're there, Okay, let's begin.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Let's do it here.
Speaker 4 (06:49):
We have just lost Test. In episode two, the both
Ellie and Joel are trying to regroup, eating a little food.
Her first speech to him kind of is, look, you
made a choice. You and Test knew the dangers. No
one forced you. You wanted the battery, and this is
(07:10):
what it took, so please stop blaming me. So she
kind of just go ahead and says that. He's very quiet,
doesn't say much. So they travel because they are supposed
to get too bills. That was the instructions from Tests.
As we are traveling, we come up on mini sites,
a crash plane, the bodies of people who were murdered
(07:32):
because there was not enough room for them at the QZ.
And there's a lot of conversation happening in between this,
so she's getting a lot of detail from things, including
how it first began. So we do get that the
rice and flower possibly it spread and then they started biting.
So we get all of that information and then we
(07:54):
have a flashback. We love a good flashback. In this flashback,
we see the clothing of two murdered victims and they're
alive and well as a mom and a baby who
were being driven off from a neighborhood. What is it Bedford, Bedford,
bedd or something, Yeah, Bedford, in which they are being transported.
(08:18):
Next thing we see is Nick Offerman, who was playing
Bill all I guess in his bunker with his gun
ready to go because he was not gonna be taken.
What was his line?
Speaker 2 (08:31):
Not today New World Order Jack boots.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
There you go, that's the line. And here we see
Daddy nick Goferman. I did call him daddy because it's
like I was like a look what oh, yes, we
see Daddy nick Offerman slash Bill hiding in his bunker.
After everybody leaves, he comes out gleefully, y'all gleefully. And
also there was a lot of wine. I still understand
(08:55):
why they didn't take the wine. There's so much wine there.
But I digress, and he Leefley, goes in, gets his truck,
puts his boat on his truck to show, takes out
the seats, goes to the hardware stores, go to the
drug stores, go to all the places, and loads up.
He then puts a trap so that people can't come
(09:16):
get him, and none of the clickers and zombies can
come get him. As in fact, in one of the
scenes we see a clicker trying to get close and
he gets shot in the head.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
Boots like Bill's enjoying a fancy meal and wine.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
With his giant generator that he has surveillance for everywhere.
He is enjoying his good meal, enjoying his wine, having
a final time. Oh no, something comes into a trap
and he comes out. I was like, oh god, what
am I going to do? And he points a gun.
He yells and here's this person in a ditch, essentially
his little trap. After verifying that he wasn't infected, he
(09:56):
helps them out. Of course, he's like, you know, you
need to move on your way and that dude like, look,
I'm really hungry. I haven't eaten in two days. I'm Frank,
please give me the food. And he's like, dude, this
is not Narby's. You can't get free food.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
The response was.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
You had to pay at Arby's obviously, hahaha, joke, joke, joke.
Then he kind of like, you know what, Okay, okay,
you can come in. We can do things, dude. The
stranger Frank takes a shower, very long shower, which I
would too, to be honest, comes out dressed and he's like,
you know if you had a meal. Okay, we'll get
(10:31):
you a meal. Oh and between all this, of course
Bill gets some some extra clothes, super nice, super nice.
And they have a meal, a lovely meal with bojolet wine,
which that brand's gonna skyrocket, I bet, as well as
cooked rabbit. Correct is it?
Speaker 2 (10:48):
Rabbit?
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Delicious? Meal has the best meal. Frank is hesitating charge.
He's like, you know, I go, but let me look.
You've got a piano, let me go. Play on your piano.
Plays the Linda Ronstadt song badly. Yes, And then of
course Bill comes and shows them up a little bit,
does the thing. And the question is what girl were
you thinking of? And he says there's no girl, and
(11:13):
Frank says, I know. Kiss magic happens. And then they're like,
let's go, Sayers take you off your clothes. Literally, he
says that to him. And then the question is you know,
have you ever been and he's like, no, only a
girl a long time ago. And he's like, I'll take
care of you. Other favorite line is you know I'm
not a whore. I don't sleep with every man that
makes me lunch, not even a good lunch, not even
(11:37):
a good lunch. So you know, there's that. We move on.
They are a beautiful couple. There's a lot of ups
and sounds. We see them coming together. He's like, I
need more people, I need company. I need to make
this a happy place. I'm going to go fix this
this and the boutique and you need to let me.
And he was like, and also, we're gonna have company.
And he's like what. He's like, I've been talking to
(11:59):
a little He's like, what on the radio? And exactly,
And we have Tests and Joel coming in. They're having
a lovely alfresco dinner or lunch. As they are sitting there.
Of course, Bill is pointing a gun at Joel the
entire time, rightly so wild tests and Frank a gallivant
off to show the house.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Do do do?
Speaker 4 (12:21):
After that, they become a fixture in their lives. They're
I'm gonna put quote friends. Frank's their friend. Bill's just
there and so is Joel. Essentially, but they do have
a deal going on where they do trade back and
forth and all these things moving on. We see and
Joel warns them. So this was one of those moments
(12:42):
that the director and the writers tricked us again. This
is gonna be the end, right, because Joel warns there
there's raiders coming through. You're gonna need protection. We can
help you all these things, and Bill's like, I got
this all of a sudden. Next thing we know, we
hear fire and gunshots and all these things, and there
are raiders coming through, and Nick Governman's in the middle
of the street, not behind anything, just shooting away, shooting away.
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Brake comes down to assist with a gun. I think
he kind of distracts Bill. Bill gets shot, and then
we're watching all the other ones getting burned up and
fired up and all those and blown up because all
of the rigs. And then Frank carries Bill in. Bill
tells him all these dying things, you need to take
care of this. They just take care of this. And
then we see Frank He's got I got you. I'm
(13:26):
taking care of you. Thinking he's a part of the
medical field because he seems to know a lot of things.
And then we flash forward to someone in a wheelchair.
My automatic exumption was Bill, but it isn't. It's Frank.
Frank's in a wheelchair. It is twenty years later, I guess.
So it starts out two thousand and three is when
we have the first him hiding in the bunker. Two
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thousand and seven is when Frank shows up. We're back
now to that twenty twenty three and Frank's in a wheelchair.
We find out Frank's sick. He needs a lot of help.
He doesn't feel good, but Bill is taking care of him,
are doing such great things. He puts him to bed.
They wake up the next day and Frank is sitting
in the wheelchair and Bill's like, what did you do?
(14:08):
It's going to help you, and Frank says, you know,
it took me all night to do this, but I
got here. And then he says today is my last day.
And they he comes up with a whole whole plan
about how he's suffering. There's nothing they can do. There's
no doctors. Even though Bill's like, wait, maybe we can
find one. All these things, He's like, no, you know,
(14:29):
I've had a lot of good days. I've had a
lot of bad days, and they were with you, but
I've had a lot more good days. And I would
like this to be a good day. Ay s you're
about to cry. I'd like to see a good day.
And he rattles off all the things that would be
a good day, including him them dressing up, them getting married,
(14:49):
and them having a final dinner with him crushing up
all the pills in the wine so that Frank could
take it where he can go and die in Bill's
arms for the last time. So all these things. Oh
forgot the strawberry part because this is like, we need
that strawberry part. During the middle of before all this,
(15:10):
Joel trades things with trades for a gun, apparently a
small gun, so it says Franks for seeds for strawberries,
and we have the cutest giggling moment, which was very
Ron Swanson, like I will say, but it was very
cute of them enjoying something they hadn't had in so
long that they grew. It was a beautiful scene.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I believe that.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
Scene has become a meme for many people. I feel like,
and this is sadness and happiness all at the same time.
And then we're back to them doing the marriage, looking
handsome together, eating the last meal which was as the
same as the first meal, with the same wine, beautifully done,
and he crushes up this amount of pills dumps it
(15:49):
into Frank's wine. Frank gulps it down. Frank looks at Bill.
Bill gulps his wine down, which clicks, oh, you already
put some pills in the street, and he's like how much?
He said enough to kill a horse, and he's like,
I don't want to be here without you. I've lived
my best days with you.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
This is enough.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
So the next thing we know, they go off to bed.
In scene next week come back to seeing Joel and
Ellie arrive at the fence. He knows something wrong because
there's nothing going off, so he goes gets the code,
goes in and they can't find them. He goes to
the door to open it, but it's stuck. And then
(16:32):
Ellie finds the note, a note in which is so
if Bill talking about how I don't like you, but
I know you. Who finds this because anybody else would
have been blown up? Ellie reading that part is my
favorite thing. And then he also gets instructions to take
care of the ones he loves, take care of tests,
(16:53):
which is nice to the heart. Yeah, and then at
the end he's like, hey, we're in the bedroom. I
left the window open, don't come in, leave us alone.
Take whatever you need. Good luck essentially, and yeah, so
they go through get things, get a shower. For the
first time. Here we see Ellie's signature shirt from the
video game, and we see Joel wearing the shirt that
(17:15):
was given to Frank the first day he was there. Yeah,
and then they take the car, they get the battery,
and they move on their way.
Speaker 2 (17:25):
With Linda Ronstatt playing with Linda.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Ronstat playing in the back in the truck.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
So Joel has decided like, after I've he read the letter,
I'm trying to find my brother Tommy.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
You stork with the fireflies, I will take you with me.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Ellie, I will take you with me, because they're trying
to get her to the fireflies, and uh, I think
reading that letter, he was like, Okay, yes, I guess
I'll try to.
Speaker 4 (17:53):
There was another scene we see Ellie kind of coming
in our own where she goes down finds Tampa, which
I did appreciate that scene. I was like, yeah, she
looks like she's hit the jackpot with those box of tampoons,
which that's where she kind of runs into the clicker
that's been buried underneath a rubble as she stabs him
in the face.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
After having a very like contemplative morbid curiosity.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, moments which we are going to talk about that
once again. Excellent recamp, Samantha.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Thank you you did get tears flowing.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
I also going to talk about that.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
As we said, we we watched these together.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
We're probably gonna watch all of them together.
Speaker 4 (18:47):
Yeah, I'm sorry. I regret that I didn't do it
before and after shot up Annie. I really should have.
I might do that for episode five, h just but
I will do it before and after.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
It wasn't good everyone, I mean it was, it was lovely.
Speaker 2 (19:06):
I love this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
I love I'm somebody who get a lot of Catharsis
out of this kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
I know it doesn't do that for everybody.
Speaker 1 (19:14):
In fact, I've had at least four people now it's
gone up like why are.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
You doing this to me? And I'm like, it's not
my fault, right.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
And I know we're going to talk more about this,
but this is definitely a variation. And as someone who
was just the watcher, this was so much more impactful
and beautifully done. And the way they wrote the script
was a love letter and it was gorgeous.
Speaker 1 (19:40):
Yeah, and it's been really like it's sad and it's
been cool. At the same time to how many people
are writing about it and how much like they cried
and how moved.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
They were by it.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
And I should say, we had a lovely meal steak
sandwich which is from the game, so smashed potatoes, russels,
and me and one of my other good friends, Katie
has been on the show. We're sitting on oo sides
of the couch and I think I could just hear
like sniffling from her, snibbling from me. And I cried
(20:19):
so hard that the next day I stayed over at Samantha's.
The next day I came down, my face was so swollen.
I did not see her right in front of me,
right in front of me.
Speaker 5 (20:30):
I was like, my face is still a little Yes,
we recorded yesterday as well, and you were like I
was just stop trying, essentially.
Speaker 1 (20:45):
And then I left and watched it go and cried
and started yea, And I knew I'd read a bunch
of things. I think I've been teasing it. I knew
this one was going to be a real heartbreaker. I
did want to talk about. Like the biggest thing obviously
with this one is the departure from the game, and
is the story of Bill and Frank. So here's the
(21:05):
part what I'm going to talk about what happens in
the game if you really don't want to know, it
is different. So it's also really easy to miss, as
I said, so honestly, he'd probably be fine.
Speaker 3 (21:15):
But so.
Speaker 1 (21:18):
In the game, you need the car battery and you
go to what's called Bill's town because he's just booby trapped.
Everything just everything is booby trapped, and he lives there
by himself and he's more like Tessa's friend, but it's
still a very like transactional what supplies can we get
(21:41):
each other?
Speaker 2 (21:43):
And come to find out via reading notes.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Frank is his romantic partner and Frank has killed himself
to get away from Bill, or that's what the note says,
is like I can't take one more day with you.
I would rather be dead than living next to a
miserable person like you. And it's like, like I said,
you can miss it. You could literally bypass most of this.
(22:09):
So it's like a really dark story, and I get
what they were trying to do. They're trying to tell you, like, well,
who is surviving this and what does it take to
survive it? And it doesn't look like the quote heavy
quote like good people are surviving. It seems like kind
of these like really miserable that's what it takes to
(22:30):
survive in this world.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
And Frank has has killed himself.
Speaker 1 (22:35):
And they don't even say, like outright that they're partners,
but it's very clearly.
Speaker 4 (22:38):
Implied, right, Yeah, So that story is very subtle. I
will say, like, there are moments in the show where
we think that's going to happen. So when he runs
out the door arguing like, yeah, I'm miserable doing this.
I can't do it like you. You need to let
me do me to be happy. So they did this.
The writers did this on purpose to mess with us.
(23:00):
I know, because I'm like, ah, oh okay.
Speaker 1 (23:03):
Yeah, well, and I'm going to talk about that in
a second, because there's a couple of reasons why I
love what they did so much better in the show,
and some of them have been really poignantly written about,
because a lot people have already written about this.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
I did want to say.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I read an interesting article from the creator about like
the importance of not only hiring Sis Murray Bartlett played
played Frank, who is a gay man, but he also
hired like queer like camera people, middle aged, queer camera people,
and like the in the story and the director was
so it was like diversity in like multiple levels. It
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wasn't just the actor. And we talked about that with
Nick Offerman in it, who I also read a lot
of interviews with him and about how seriously he took
this and how he knew, like everyone working on this knew,
like this is a huge deal and we can't mess
it up because you don't see this.
Speaker 2 (23:54):
That often on television.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
You don't see it in action and horror and video
game world, like right, you don't see this, and you don't.
Speaker 4 (24:03):
See it played out as a genuine love story. You
see it being kitchy or comical or dramatic. But this
was just genuine sweet love like kindness.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:18):
Yeah, And that's one of the things that I was
immediately when they first meet. I was like, oh, like
because it Frank is Bill is very much.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
He even says like the survivalist.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
He has this kind of like outward persona where we
talked about afterwards, like was it internalized homophobia? Was it
the like apocalypse made him feel like, oh I can
be myself or do this or whatever it is, But
that scene where he's serving like this very lovely meal
and then he brings out the wine and he's like,
I know, I don't see like the type, and Frank
(24:55):
just says so sincerely, like, oh no, yeah, you do.
It was just like a really lovely, like there's so
many stereotypes of tropes in there that really shouldn't be there,
but they are, and so it was just such a
nice like And then you get to see Bill playing
the piano and he's singing this song, very like moving
emotional song, and he's a masculine dude like Nick Offerman.
Even his outside persona is a very masculine dude.
Speaker 4 (25:18):
I mean, I love the memes. That's just pretty much
him as Ron Swanson being faced with the lines from
the Last of Us again, You and I have talked
about and my partner and I talked about that. At first,
I was concerned. I was like, why is Nick Offerman,
who is very openly in a relationship with Megan Malaley,
so like it seemed kind of like, you know, this
seems kind of could they have done this wrong? But
(25:40):
the conversation is it is a very masculine dude who's
never been able to face his own self, which is
why he's like, I've never done this, I've never been that,
but discovering that person with him. And it's also this
conversation and I read the recently an interview with a
director where he said, it's this conversation of maybe he's
not even necessarily gay, but he was in love with Frank.
(26:04):
It was the person that was that Frank. He found
the one he loved and it was Frank. It's not
about sexuality discovering that. It was that And I don't
want to take away from that, but like the truth
of the matter is, this is a conversation I've had
with you about like I identify as heterosexual. That's never
been a thing. I've never been with a woman. I've
never been really attracted to a woman. But at the
(26:24):
same time, I do love people. So there could be
this conversation of like, if I met someone else and
they happened to be identifying as a woman or as
non binary or what, that doesn't matter. I would be
in love with that person. And that's that whole spectrum
of sexuality that we've been talking about that it doesn't
really need I get labels, and it's good to have
(26:44):
labels if you need that and understanding who you are.
But it could be as simple as I love this person,
and he loved Frank with all his heart and he
did not know love like that until he met Frank.
And that could be in the story and not necessarily
any anything else being the byline. And of course Nick
Offerman understands that love.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
Mm hmm. Yeah. It's been a lot of interesting conversations
and things written about it because I remember the first
time I played the second one and no spoilers, I promised,
But the second one has queer storylines as well, and
they were still they're still homophobia, and I remember being
so disappointed. It's not like those things go away, right,
(27:26):
But I was like, there's zombies, the world is and
you're still doing this. So there I read. I read
an article with the creator too, where he was like,
what would it be, you know, in the in the
world after this, would we still hold on to those
things or would we not?
Speaker 2 (27:41):
And I do love like that scene where they're.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
Fighting again, as Samantha said, it really was setting you
up like, oh, it's coming, it's coming, but it was
such like a sweet they're different people, but he did
kind of he was like, okay, Yeah, he wasn't happy
about it, but he's like, all right, what you want
to paint, we'll have the dinner party.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
It was it was a little bit of comic relief.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:03):
So this was a quote from the interview from Inverse
with Peter Whore. He says, and he's talking about Nick
Offerman playing this character and why Bill was so complicated.
He says, he was never going to naturally discover who
he was to fall in love with or who we
found attractive until Frank came along. And even then it
wasn't just about being a man. It was because he
was Frank. It was because Frank is Frank. I felt
(28:26):
like it was about making sure to keep reminding them
all of that. And he goes, it's not as complicated
perhaps as it sounds, is about heart and love and truth.
And I love that, and I was like, yeah, oh god,
yes he speaks to me.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, oh God. And also like.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
Going back to these like tropes, we see, these stereotypes
we see not just with career characters, which just was
like men and a man like Nick Opferman slash Bill.
I think that seeing where Frank kind of takes over
and like this is your first time like being very
like kind and careful and very consensual, you know, like
(29:03):
hey and having because in our society it's like man,
of course you manly man.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
You've had so.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Much sex and that's your conquest with women and that's
how you. But he just said kind of like no,
one time with the girl, and I don't know, there
was something about that that was nice too. It was
sort of a refreshing change on that and I liked
that Frank kind of it's like, okay, well we'll start
with the simple things and we'll wear it out. Like
it was just very sweet, right, what Yeah, So we're
(29:47):
kind of moving into the territory I want to talk
about where why I think it was so much better
that they did it this way than how they did
in the game. One is because there are a couple
of tropes here that are kind of immediately concerned because
they've been handled so badly before. And one is, you
know with queer love stories, a lot of the time
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they do die, and that is what happened here. But
it wasn't like a tragic oh we never knew these
people and they got killed off. It was like finding joy.
It was seeing the life that they lived, which was
quite a long life, right, that they lived together and
finding joy and finding purpose in each other in this apocalypse.
And I was telling you, like, I've made this outline
(30:30):
of how I think every episode of the show is
going to go, and it's so grim every I'm like, whoa,
how are they.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Going to do this?
Speaker 1 (30:37):
So it was such a nice thing to see, like
finding that humanity and finding that connection and finding that
love in the context of this.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
Zombie apocalypse.
Speaker 4 (30:49):
Well, that's the thing is, like they didn't die, they
didn't get killed off violently, they didn't go through and
try to save someone, or they weren't murdered. But because
of who they were, none of that happened. And they
grew older together and they decided to go out together
and talking about how happy their days were, how some
of the days were bad and they were all worth
(31:10):
it with each other, and like to also like the
whole ending of him, like I want you to hold
me for the last time. That was such a moment
because that could they wrew into this loving relationship and
it was loving, like everything they had was about love,
and even that being just them, they were content.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Yeah, Well and they did really good job of that too,
because you could tell like they were different people. They
were very different people, and they had fights and disagreements
and the days weren't easy. But that was something else
that I really liked was when oh, no, I'm getting
your eye. Even when he says, like Bill says at
(31:51):
the end, like I'm satisfied. It's not that they like like,
oh my lives are so our lives are so miserable,
let's just end it. It's like, well, we've had a
lot of good days together. Yeah, I want to go
with you.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
Oh right, and she's trying. All is happening. Yes, And
I do love that way they closed out. I didn't
talk about this. They closed out the scene with an
ode to the video game, which is where you start
to say play or not start, is a window open
with breezes. They intentionally did that at the end as
an ode.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
To the game. Yes, oh my god.
Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
But I also liked that that you never see their bodies.
It's not gratuitous.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
They try not to do that. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, I really liked that because we've talked about that
with ableism and kind of that whole you know, oh,
I'm in a wheelchair, I'd rather be dead. It didn't
give me that vibe at all. It just kind of
gave me like, you know, I'm happy, right, and it's
not gonna write.
Speaker 4 (32:45):
And I think the biggest part to that is that
he had pain. He had so much pain, and that
was kind of that conversation is like, I'm all I'm
doing is hurting. And of course, yeah, there's always a
conversation about ableism, but also free will and free choice.
There's so much to that in the conversation. But he
had found joy for the longest time up until the
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point that he couldn't handle the pain. And I think
they insinuated he's been in a wheelchair for a minute.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:13):
And it was so nice, like they didn't just show
the sad times like that scene with the strawberry.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Oh my god, oh god. It was like such a
joyful thing that they shared together, like.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
The giggle and the joy and the fact that Frank
hid that for a while. That because it takes like
a good six months to grow like that size. Mmmm,
it looked really good though, I will think that it did,
Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1 (33:37):
And then I did want to say this would probably
be my like ominous hint of the of the episode,
because they have those kind of behind the scenes things
at the end of you know what was going on
in this when.
Speaker 2 (33:53):
They were making it and creating it.
Speaker 1 (33:54):
And one of the things that I think Neil Juckman,
who made the video game, said was like where love
contain AQ? And so I think this was like a
happy example, whereas in the game it wasn't right, but
in this it was a happy example.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
But I would yeah, I would say that's a very.
Speaker 1 (34:10):
Good outline for this whole show is where love can
take you, and that can be very bad, and that
can be very good, and it can be in between
a lot.
Speaker 2 (34:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
There is definitely the comparison to Joel with the note
where he's talking about like protect tests I got to
protect Frank. He says, men like us protect and then
he's wearing the shirt. It's a lot of comparison of.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
Like, well what will Joel? Where will love take Joel?
Speaker 1 (34:40):
So I'll leave that there, and then I yeah, we
need to briefly.
Speaker 2 (34:45):
Touch on Ellie. I think, of course, because.
Speaker 5 (34:48):
This was.
Speaker 1 (34:50):
We were Samith and I were talking about this. I
don't think this is a big departure, but she's definitely.
She's a little like Harsher's too strong, but like Rougher edged.
For the beginning of the game, she's Bella. Ramsy's portrayed
her as Rover edged and so like this seem er.
She kills the zombie, which she doesn't tell Joel about.
(35:13):
She stole the gun and doesn't tell Joel about it.
She I like how they did really they're already planting
the seeds. That she's very insecure and how she's going
to survive in this world because she kept asking like, well,
what if Billy and frankkart there? What if Bill and
Frank won't take me? Which is I mean, yeah, it
would be terrifying. What is going to happen to me?
Are you just going to leave me if they're not there?
(35:37):
And we also at the same time see Joel trying
to protect Ellie's innocence, where he's like, no, we should will.
Speaker 2 (35:44):
Take the longer way.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
I don't want you to go that way because you'll
see something you don't want to see, and that's where
the mass gravesite is, whereas Ellie immediately is like, well,
now I have to go see it. And I think
that's the dichotomy of he grew up in this time
where he remembers like his daughter Sarah, and he remembers
like that kind of protecting level of children. Ellie has
never really known that she's just growing up in a
(36:07):
zombie a buocalypse worlds or that sort of part of
her life. And so I think that's sort of a
push and pull between them of him really wanting to
protect what he views is like her childish inno sense
and her being really really frustrated because she's like that
this is the world we live in, right.
Speaker 4 (36:24):
Yeah, and yeah, when we were talking about it, like
the way I interpreted, both of them were a little
different as where the Ellie in the game to me
was more willing to go with everything. Joel said a
little few definitely a lot of questions, but it was like, Okay,
didn't push too hard. The Bella Ramsey Ellie, she does
that too. She pushes, she pushes, but then she knows
(36:45):
when to stop because he makes the face and she
backs off. But like the whole killing of the zombie,
the moment that as the director was saying, was like,
you know from episode two, episode one, she is intrigued
by him beating the hell out of that guard and
not disgusted, which was the opposite reaction to Sarah from
(37:06):
Sarah who was like horrified to see that he had
killed that monster who was a neighbor. But like, the
differences are pretty pretty stark. Again, this has to do that, Yes,
Ellie has been alone, She's seen something essentially, and she's
just waiting her turn to die. It seems so that
makes sense to that. But yeah, there's a small difference
(37:28):
in the attitudes on how Ashley Johnson, the voice of
the original Ellie, portrayed it versus what Bella Ramsey's doing
with this role. But again, Bella Ramsey, her whole persona
is a little bit tougher. We saw that with the
Game of Thrones, like she was intense, and this does
fit that as survival mode.
Speaker 1 (37:47):
Yeah, well, I also think it's interesting because we did
talk about this too. Like I said, I think Ashley
Johnson just kind of has a her voice and her
the way she approached it in the game, which is
kind of softer. She's still like she curses like a sailor.
I would never mess with her, but she I think
(38:08):
the way they did it was much more and were
depending on Ellie. Four these rare, bright moments of habbits,
which does still happen because she'll still be like, oh wow,
I've never been in the woods. Oh well, I've never
done this and this, and sort of that child like wonder.
But I think also because we know, because you and
I the insiders, know what happens in the second one
(38:28):
and how it ends. The first one ends, I feel,
oh no, another ominous hint. I feel like they're kind
of planting other seats.
Speaker 5 (38:40):
Well.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
No, the director said that behind the scenes, you're seeing
something different for a reason, outside of just her environment currently,
that that definitely is a whole thing and it only grows.
I mean in that environment, can you be anything more
than callous? Though?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
And that's the question, that's a question. Where does love
take Ellie?
Speaker 1 (39:03):
This is your this is like your hypothesis for every episode,
and be like, where does love go in this one?
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Oh gosh?
Speaker 1 (39:08):
And I know I also told Samantha. I think I've
said this in previous ones. I do have like a
kind of overarching I'm say critiques, but some critics, but
like thoughts about these tropes. I'm saving them for the
last one because I think, like even just talking about
them without spoiling them is spoiling them, if that makes sense.
Speaker 2 (39:24):
So just know that that is coming.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
And a lot of stuff with Ellie's characters sort of
tricky to talk about, but she does have the scene
in the game as well where Joel puts in this
music and it's like, oh, it's so good and she's
like whatever, But then they bond over the they bond
over the music. So it's that you can see the
the bonding is happening. It's beginning, it is beginning. I
did want to mention the awkward dinner party. There is
(39:47):
that awkward dinner party between Joel and Test and Bill
and Frank, and I loved it because it was so awkward.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
It was so good of Frank going Bill really yes,
and the lowering of the gun yes.
Speaker 2 (39:59):
Well we were talking about it too.
Speaker 1 (40:01):
It's so funny how like a lot of times couples
do kind of not always, but they'll kind of follow
along those lines where you've got the one that's like, oh,
I do not want to be here, and the other
ones like book please, I want friends, test as sort
of that version and then Francis of that version.
Speaker 2 (40:14):
I like seeing them kind of bond, right. I did
I love that. I've always been meaning to mention.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
This is largely based on a book called The World
Without Us, which is a book that is about what
would happen if humanity just disappeared. So a lot of
the like imagery and all that stuff comes from that.
There is a documentary about the game, how the game
is made, and it's awesome. Obviously wait till you finish
the show if you don't want to be surprised, but
it's really cool.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
It's got a fun alternate ending.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
And then just to say yeah, like the response after
this one has been like hugely positive, but just so
many people, especially in the queer space, like, you know,
I haven't seen this, or it's just especially as I said,
in this sort of like action horror video game realm.
So that's why I'm glad they did it this as
opposed to oh, you just find Frank's dead body.
Speaker 4 (41:02):
This is so much better.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Yes, agreed, Agreed. I was wrong in my next week predictions.
I was wrong about the bloater, but I did you
heard me talk about it before where I had revised
my my prediction because it's too early for the it's
not the game, but in the show, right, I think
I know what happens.
Speaker 2 (41:21):
The next one is too much more spoiler, but.
Speaker 4 (41:23):
Ye into trauma every I mean every.
Speaker 1 (41:32):
Every time, every time, every time. Oh my gosh, what
an emotional roller coaster this is.
Speaker 2 (41:40):
I really watched it again the night.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
I don't know, I know you will, so you will.
Speaker 2 (41:47):
Oh wow.
Speaker 1 (41:49):
Thank you, thank you, thank you Samantha Hosting for supporting
me my passions.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Thank you listeners. I hope you're enjoying it. I have.
Speaker 1 (42:00):
I've enjoyed all of my I mean, it does kind
of overwhelm me, but I've enjoyed all the messages I've gotten.
Speaker 2 (42:04):
About it, especially the like whyey.
Speaker 1 (42:10):
Threw my arms up in the air you couldn't see it.
But oh well, I can't wait for the next episode.
I think I texted you the next day. I was like, oh,
so excited, so excited, So be on the lookout for that.
As we said, these are coming out every Saturday, a
week after the newest episode to prepare you for the
(42:31):
next one, right right, Just the recaps, just the recap,
and uh, you know, I could talk about this forever.
I think the second I think the last episode is
going to be two parter, but we'll see it's gonna
but then we'll go back to our regularly scheduled ish programming.
Speaker 2 (42:46):
Promise, Promise, Promise.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
If you have any thoughts, if you want to send
me any crying text messages you cut, you can email
us at steph a Media mom Stuff that i heeartmedia
dot com. You can find us on Twitter at momsa podcast,
or on Instagram and TikTok at Stefan never told you
You might see me crying in one of the videos.
(43:12):
Thanks It's always to our super producer, Christina.
Speaker 4 (43:14):
Thank you Christina, and thanks to.
Speaker 2 (43:16):
You for listening. Steffan never told You distrection iHeart Radio.
Speaker 1 (43:19):
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