October 25, 2025 • 50 mins
Would you rather face a shark or a serial killer? The 2025 film Dangerous Animals asks that question and the heroine has a decisive answer. Anney and Samantha dive into the plot, themes, and women in shark movies in general.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want my stuff. I never told you affective, iHeartRadio,
and today we have a spoiled Saturday for you. Very
recent movie came out in twenty twenty five, so yes,
spoilers perhaps goes without say, but yeah, this was a
(00:31):
movie I discovered and I just loved, and I immediately
was like, I really want to talk about this. It's
technically more of a summer horror movie, but it does
involve sharks eating people, and this is the season of
eating so.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Live in Australia, so maybe that's true. You know, the
weather's different. Did you discover this movie? Because this was
not on my radar at all? And when you were
even telling me the title, I thought you were just
describing it like that. Was that confused about it?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, so the movie's called Dangerous Animals. I think because
I love horror movies so much, I get legit notifications
on my phone, like there's this new horror movie and
it'll be something I've never heard of, like hardly anyone's
ever heard of. And I'm pretty sure that's how I
found this one. But I heard, I had heard there
(01:22):
was a lot of good buzz about it. And people
were excited. And what often happens. I have a list
on my phone of horror movies I want to watch,
but when they're from other countries or smaller, they might
not be released, so I can't watch them. So I
have a long list of horror movies that I've been
waiting to watch, and this one is from Australia and
I think i'd like had a notification on this site.
(01:45):
I have of like when is this horror movie available?
Where can I watch it? And it popped up. So
I've been trying to watch this for a long time.
Actually ready, I was so ready. I do. I don't
know why, but I love shark movies. I have a
good friend who also loves shark movies, and we just
send like the strangest shark movie we can find, just
(02:09):
the cover and the description and no other explanation. That's
just our texting relationship. I don't know. I don't know why.
I think there's something about the like I did love
Jaws as a kid, my d And it's the fiftieth
anniversary of Jaws, by the way, And actually said friend
(02:30):
is going as a Jaws character this year. Yes, and
also a friend of the show, Lauren is going as
Jaws and her kitten, who's named after Bruce, the shark
from Jaws, is gonna be have a fin on her back.
Very cute, but I guess it kind of reminds me
(02:53):
of my weird phase I went through that we talked
about on the show where I loved like Mountain Disaster movie.
There's something about like the nature of it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I am petrified of dark waters, so I have a
lot of phobias, but this definitely this is up there
with the heights and clowns, both of those things. But
like seeing those things, I was like, yeah, this is
You'll never see me anywhere near this area, because like
(03:24):
I went snorkeling, not even like scuba diving, but snorkeling
and Puerto Rico oceans, Puerto Rican oceans, and I saw
what was down there and there are so many things
near my feet that could eat me or bite me
that I was like nope, and I immediately got out,
immediately got out because and so just the thought of
(03:44):
like not being able to stand and not being able
to see how far down or what is down there? Helena, Helena, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It is scary. I mean I was a weird kid,
and I would watch Jaws every summer to kick off
the summer, and I would tell myself, you know, you
wouldn't have been scared of this if you had watched Jaws.
But then I used to get the debate with myself,
do you think it'd be scared to see the fin
coming for you or to just like not see it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, not seeing to me, see it's worse. At least
I know like where it's coming from, and then I
can stare it down. And even though that's like the
anticipation is still scary, but like not knowing where it's
coming from, and every little thing that touches you, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't think I ever
fully decided. But there used to be a lot of dolphins.
You saw it when you visited my beach house. There's
a lot of dolphins in that area. And one time
I saw one and I could have sworn up and down.
It was a shark fin and I just like shut
down immediately.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge genre. And that was one
of the reasons I wanted to talk about this movie.
If I had time, I would do a whole podcast
that was just me talking about all the shark movies
you can watch out there, and I've seen quite a
lot of them. But I have been wanting to talk
about that in terms of women and sharks for a while.
(05:15):
So here we are. Here we are with this movie
that I thought was a good a platform for that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
We've talked about sharks a couple of times, haven't we
we have.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If you would like to see our past episode we
did on shark women in Shark Science, I would recommend it.
It does start with discussion of Joss for the Revenge,
a Christmas movie if I've ever seen one. Also quite
a bad film, but.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I will say the ending on this better than The
Mummy Too, but still very much cgi.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is. I feel
like the Mummy Too had a lot more money than
this movie did.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Probably, so Mummy Too is epic and it's oh my god,
why yeah who did this? But yeah, and so in comparison,
everything is better, every everything, but yeah, score page him
almost waving anyway, keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yes, yes, okay, So we are talking about the twenty
twenty five survival horror serial killer movie Dangerous Animals, which
is written by Nick Laparde and directed by Sean Byrne
and stars Hasse Harrison, Jay Courtney, and Josh Houston. Yeah.
I love this movie. I was so excited to talk
(06:42):
about it. But if that, if that description is making
you scratch your head, let us get into the plot.
The movie opens with a pair of tourists in Australia,
a man and a woman, Greg and Heather, and they're
signing up for a last minute shark cage tour with
a local man, Tucker, who goes out of his way
to ask if they have anyone expecting them, all that
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kind of stuff. As they drive out on his boat
into the waters, he tells them he was bitten by
a shark as a child and that his mom did
nothing about it, and he shows shows them the scars.
It's kind of kind of like, oh, yeah, it's all cool.
It gave me new perspective a the way. Yeah, there's
(07:26):
awkward silences in the opening, even a.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Creepy man warning them this dude is not good.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're like, I mean, going back to another topic we've
done around women and not being believed in horror movies.
I can tell Heather was like, maybe we shouldn't be
doing this.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He kept doing like, why did you talk me into this? Why?
How did we do? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But Greg, you know, he's gung ho, he's let's go ahead,
let's go do this. Yes. Yes. They arrive at a
good spot and Heather is clearly on edge and wants
to back out. She doesn't want to do this anymore. However,
Tucker jokes with her and starts to sing baby Shark
to get her to relax. It was quite mean. So
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they do get into the shark cage and they see
just so many sharks and they have this really wonderful
time and when they're pulled back up, they're exuberant about it.
They're so happy they did it. But then Tucker stabs
the man in the throat, pushes him in the water,
and Heather screams, cut too are It's a very astonishing cut.
(08:34):
Then we go to our lead character, an American woman
named Zephyr. She's a bit of a drifter and is
in Australia surfing and generally avoiding things. It seems she
sleeps in her big van. While shoplifting at a local
gas station, she encounters Moses, whose car battery won't start,
and he asks her for help, but she refuses until
(08:55):
he confronts her in the parking lot and threatens to
turn her in for shoplifting, so reluctantly she agrees and
they kind of bond over music, though she makes fun
of his song taste as being too simple and about love.
She does start his battery in more ways than one hah,
because they have sex in her van. Oh my goodness,
I wrote that down in the outline just so everyone knows.
(09:22):
I'm so proud of myself. They then discuss Zephyr's plans
and he's like, you know what if you stayed for
a long term kind of thing, we could get to
know each other, and then he goes to make her
breakfast because they're kind of parked outside of his house
at this point. She leaves to go surfing while it
is still pitch black outside, and then she encounters who
(09:45):
we know to be the Killer Tucker, asking to borrow
something from him. She receives a text from Moses, who
is like, I mador breakfast. Can I join you surfing?
And she types out a few responses that demonstrate she's
into him, before subtling on something pretty vague like it's
an open beach. Before she can send it, though, Tucker
(10:05):
attacks and subdues her. She wakes up chained to a
bed on the lower deck of his boat, and Heather
is there, and she kind of explains what she knows
about the situation. Zephyr realizes that Tucker has done this
to numerous women based on the scratches on the wall.
As she tries to break free of her cuffs, Heather
(10:25):
reveals that her mom always wanted a certain kind of
life for her and that she was afraid of exactly
this kind of thing happening, and Zephyr shares that she
grew up in a lot of foster homes and promises
that Heather will get the chance to tell her mom
that it is her life and her decisions. Zephyr tries
to pick the cuffs using the underwire from Heather's swimsuit,
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but Tucker drugs the pair before she can. When they
wake up, Zephyr is strapped to a chair and Heather
is strapped in a harness, and Tucker explains that sharks
are attracted to boats like his because of the chum
that they use to attract the sharks for tourist activities,
So even if there isn't any chum, they sort of
show up, and he slowly, despite Zephyr's pleading, lowers Heather
(11:14):
into the shark infested waters, filming as she is torn
apart while Zephyr is forced to watch. Later, Zephyr escapes
her room and then the skirmish throws the camera off
the boat, and it's a really old school camera, by
the way, it's like VHS old school. Tucker is furious
and locks her back up, and we learn that he
(11:36):
has a terrifying amount of these videos of all the
women he's killed. It looks like about thirty presumably drifters
who wouldn't have had people looking for them or know
where they were, and he attaches the lock of their
hair to fishing hooks and puts them inside the video cases.
The filming of the whole thing is really important to him,
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so he returns to land to get another camera. Meanwhile,
Moses is suspicious that he hasn't heard from Zephyr and
is able to get some security camera footage that leads
him to Tucker's boat. He sneaks on board and follows
Zephyrs screams. She asks him to call the authorities and
find something to help her pick the lock and Moses
(12:19):
rushes to do so, but Tucker, now with a new camera,
is back and attacks him. It's a back and forth,
but eventually it looks like Moses is going to win
this fight until Tucker's drunk doc neighbor comes in and
knocks Moses out, and realizing that this is a witness,
Tucker kills him. Kills the drunk guy, and his dog
(12:41):
did get away. I made sure to warn you about that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I was like, she looks like, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Forgiven, Yes, for dog makes it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Everyoneously, but the dog is fine.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The dog, the dog did make it. So yeah, Tucker
kills him and changs Moses up in the same room
as Sephyr, and they talk about commitment and why Zephyr
lefts and Moses is pretty injured by the way. At
this point, Tucker once again puts Zephyr in the chair
and loads Moses into the harness, luring him into the water,
(13:12):
and he makes a point to say, like, I don't
normally do men or matine and all this stuff, so
it's kind of like not what his typical murdering is.
Zephyr tells Moses to stay completely still, and he does,
and the sharks pay him no attention, so annoyed Tucker
stabs him over and over and then goes to lower
(13:35):
him back down, but has a stop when a lifeguard
helicopter flies over. So now Moses is gravely injured, and
Zephyr bites off her thumb to escape from her handcuffs
and makes another break for it. Another confrontation takes place
between her and Tucker, and she is drugged in the process,
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but even so, she jumps into the water and swims
toward a wedding venue that she seen. There's like a
party cruise boat in a wedding venue that she can see,
and she's making it. But before she can alert anyone,
Tucker catches up to her in his small little boat
and subdues her again. When she wakes up, she is
now in the harness, while Moses is in the chair
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forced to watch, Tucker monologues about how she is a marlin,
a fish that is constantly running and fighting, and that's
the thrill of catching them. An enormous great white appears
as she is placed in the water, and she remains
still as she advised Moses to do. She's able to
free herself from the harness, but falls back into the
water and holds her breath As she encounters this great
(14:41):
white under the water again, It seemingly gives her a
good look and swims away. Zephyr sneaks back onto the boat,
grabs Tucker's fear gun and shoots him with it after
quoting a line from the song she made fun of
Moses for liking. Tucker falls into the water, and as
the the camera films is eaten by the great white shark,
(15:04):
Zephyr uses a flair gun to signal for help, and
she and Moses talk about their future together. The end, Yeah,
and the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Ending is where I'm talking about. You can see him
and almost like waving as he's being eaten.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He's like the camera's watching. No one's gonna help you,
just like when my mom didn't help me either. It's
(15:41):
a wild ride. I really really, really really enjoy this movie.
Oh but that does kind of transition into one of
the themes I wanted to talk about. And I looked
into this because we have discussed it before. But there
is this idea of it being the mom's fault that
we you see a lot in Horror. It's not really
(16:03):
explored that explicitly, but he does mention it in the beginning,
it's clear he hates women, goes for women, and so
one must assume that it's because of this origin story
of him being attacked by a shark and his mom
in his mind did not help him. Yeah. So one
(16:29):
of the tagline for this movie is You're safer in
the water. And Samith and I were discussing this before,
but you know, the dangerous animals in this case would
be men, And it made me remember that episode we
did when you were discussing the social media trend of
(16:49):
like would you rather take on a bear or a man? Yeah,
And this case, Zephyr at least, is much more like
I will. She jumps in water so easily every time
she gets away, and I'm always like sharks there, but
she wants to get away from this man who she
knows means her harm and will kill her. Uh. Using
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these sharks.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
She's such a point say they are not the monsters
you are.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah obviously, and she does like I
really like her as a character, but she I mean,
it's clear like she's got a lot of she's had
a lot of bad experience with men, so she was
ready with that line. She was like, no, you're you're
blaming like this on all the wrong people. It should
(17:40):
be yourself. The blame is where it goes.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I find it interesting. I feel like a new not newer,
it's definitely older, but like coming in to survivor horror
type of movies that they're bringing in. They have to
be orphans. I see that a lot. I see that
a lot anyway, but like and also have attachment issues
like they like they the women have to have an
attachment issue. Yah, but on that front of being like,
(18:07):
I would love for you to join, but she changes
her mind and says, the ocean's free for everyone. Okay, Okay.
It is a new troupe that I've been seeing more
and more.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Of it is, and I do kind of like the
flip in this where Moses is the one that's like,
why can't we what's the problem? Why are you running away?
After they've had this sex and all.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I will say when I was first watching it, I
was waiting to see if he was a bad guy. Mmm,
because I didn't know for sure, because like the whole
boy jumping out of nowhere or helped me do my car,
that's the whole thing I know it's I missed the RCT,
but just saying it did get ye. I was like,
is he a bad guy? Is he helping this dude?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's true he ate and he the drunk boat guy
was helping him out.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He didn't know there was murdering, right, He thought he
was just scamming him.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, he just thought it was a big scam. But
he was directing people to take.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Kind of which because the first like the first couple,
he was like, don't go out there. She's not gonna
be okay. She might be okay, but you won't like
telling them like this that people are missing and lose
body parts out there, but good luck.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I warn them.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
It's a weird, like it's kind of how the cabin
in the woods they have that ominous like old man
warning them, and that's him at the very big But
then he's like, I try to talk to these people
to come back.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So he was very confusing, Yeah he was. He seemed
to like Tucker, but yeah, he was a confusing fellow.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I mean because he's like, what are you doing, man?
What is this bird doing down here? Doesn't he say
a bird? I always loved when they do, like what
you'd like sexist title, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I think I kind of had
a because I knew what it was about. I knew
he was the bad guy before i'd even seen it.
But I mean, he is like eerie pretty immediately something
feels off about him. And I have to say, you know,
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I wasn't a by any means a drifter or anything.
But when I was in Australia, I couldn't contact my parents.
That was just like that was also because it was
early earlier in our technology. It wasn't that long ago,
but it was just so remote in a lot of
areas you can't I couldn't contact them, so my poor
parents they would get like a random email that would
(20:36):
say like everything's fine, but nothing else. So I was
thinking about that a lot in this movie, because he
does target people who he assumes no one will come
looking for, because you would think, like somebody would have
reported this tourist company have really.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Bad Well, no one knew they had thought that they
were doing because they just left them to the person.
They just left them, so they didn't say where they
were going, who they were going to see. They gave
no notes. But then like did they have a neuber driver.
I was thinking this little earlier, like plausibly if they
actually researched, because or did search because the mother of
that girl's gonna eventually, like she came down here, where
(21:14):
is she figure out what? So that she was staying
at see cameras because you know there's CCTV everywhere that
picks up the lift or a taxi, and that taxi
would tell them where they dropped them off. Like eventually
it's gonna be notable.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, well, I wonder if that's one of the reasons,
if that's why they chose he always uses VHS right,
Like he's not thinking about he's been doing this for
so long, he's not thinking about like the current technology anymore,
and so maybe he was on the verge of getting
caught anyway, and that you know, I would love if
(21:53):
any listeners from Australia right in, because I have watched
a lot of Australian horror movies lately that do have
some pretty heavy themes around misogyny and feminism. Yeah, I'm
just kind of curious, like it could be it could
be just the algorithm. I don't know, but a lot
(22:15):
of the horror movies I've seen coming out of Australia lately,
I've I've been like, huh, something's going.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On right here, and it could because like I've seen that,
and like again for me, South Korea is like a
big focus and that's a big thing in that conversation
and oftentimes there's always women targeted blah blah blah. But
like in Australia too, the one thing that I always
think of is all the amount of creatures in the
vast amount of lands that aren't necessarily common and don't
have all of like the technology. Like in the US
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there's not really undiscovered, not undiscovered, but like not very
settled areas. Maybe in Montana there's a little bit, but
even still like even in the deserts maybe, but there's
so much technology and like access Okay, also Alaska, Alaska
and Puerto Rico probably any of the territories maybe questionable
for sure. That's also why I think there's a good
(23:04):
bit of it, like some bit of dark like murder
mysteries and horror movies that come out of Alaska too.
I've seen a bit out of that, but you know
what I mean, Like it's not so common and especially inland,
like in the main parts of the US, so to
see like Australia, there's all like these levels are like no,
there's a lot of this bush area, these air likes
can be really hard to get all this kind of signal.
(23:26):
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just thinking twenty years ago,
but that's what it seems like when I see horror movies,
because I've seen several of like Survivor movies like that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, and again I was there twenty oh gosh,
it was longer than that two thousand and eight. I
was there in two thousand and eight, and it was
I mean, you would see signs that would say something
like eight hundred kilometers until the next douney, which the toilet.
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It's just it does have a feeling of just a
lot of emptiness, especially in the middle. And I know
that there are a lot of horror movies I've seen
out of Australia that are kind of similar to this,
where there are there's a killer who's never been caught
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and he's been doing it for a long time just
because he was able to because there's like no technology
or that no one knows anything could have happened to
someone who got lost or something like that. So I
do find that interesting. Again, I would love to hear
(24:38):
from listeners because I have at least three other horror
movies that I've thought about talking about on the show
that come from Australia that were very like tackling this misogyny.
And yeah, I mean he does in this movie. He
does record and watch the films back. It's obviously a
very disturbing, joyous moment for him. He's like dancing and
(25:02):
eating oh rewatch, yeah, enjoying his yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
One thing I did appreciate is that they didn't need
to like violate women, like like sexually violate, which is
typically always especially in a movie in that tone. Don't
get me wrong, it's still very bad. It's still very bad,
but they didn't need like when she was giving the underwire,
she like covered herself and he didn't come, you know
what I mean. Like, I was kind of surprised the
(25:32):
word that tone took cause I was like, oh god,
it's gonna be one more horn piece where they stick
this part in in which every woman in the world
is like, oh my god, what is It's comfortable and
it arouses men like it's a very very male perspective,
and they didn't do that. I was like, huh, okay, okay,
and they still told a good horror story.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, and I liked that too. I was worried about oh,
but I like they don't. It doesn't go on that territory.
It's still it is still very creepy because he's obviously
getting like when he's making the hook and he's keeping
the hair, like he has these keepsakes. But it doesn't
go into that area. And I actually kind of liked that.
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It's such a small thing and it makes me sad.
But when she asked for the wire, the underwire, like
that's such a girl's Nobody really knows about that outside.
We don't talk about that. So I liked that. But
I also thought about that. We're going to get more
into this in a second. But there's been a long
history of when it comes to not just horror, advertising
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does this all the time, but kind of that consumption
of women and shark movies really hit that all the nomes.
And so that scene where he is watching Heather, he's
watching the video of Heather just getting torn up and
eaten heat and he's eating it's a it's a strange
kind of meta moment. Because you're watching it as the viewer,
(26:59):
and you know, like I've potentially, if I like these
horror movies, been in that seat of just enjoying someone
get torn up. And it's a very uncomfortable moment that
I thought was well done and enjoyed. So I don't
know what that does about me. I also did like
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I've always liked this, but I love Zephyr's refusal to
give up because I feel, again, this might say something
about me. I'm worried. I would I'm worried. At a
certain point, I would just be like I can't even
scream anymore, Like this is the kind of the hopelessness
(27:44):
of it. But she does not, like she attempts like
three or four escape.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, when she puts her name on the wall,
it felt like she might be giving up, especially in
discovering like not only with one other name, but there
was four other names, like she realized, oh, because he
had painted over some of the names, even like he
didn't want them to know too much. And then also
like making sure to memorialize Heather, which I was like, okay,
(28:12):
but all of those things to be like it did
almost feel like it, but every time she almost gave up.
This new hope did come back, like with form of
Moses coming actually showing up, being able to get out
of the handcuffs the first time, it almost almost escaping
the first time, and stuff like that, like knowing that
she'd or he had to dock the boat. That was
another hopeful moment. Like all these things. It almost like
(28:34):
the world kept pushing her to try, and she was like, yes,
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, yeah. And he has that whole monologue where he's like, oh,
they're in Marlin. They never quit. They're not the best,
like cut of fish, but everybody wants one because the
trophy of like capturing it, and he's comparing her to
that of like her constant trying to escape. And when
the Great White shows up, he's like, I knew this
(29:01):
would be a special one. He's so excited, but I
don't know, I just really enjoyed that, even though it
was because it's a horror movie. It's so frustrating, like, oh,
she almost got away, and then we're back here again,
and she does I like that. She she really like
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she did what she could foreather, she did what she
could for Moses. Even though she's got this whole commitment issue.
She really did like care and and so calm when
faced with the sharks.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I oh, my goodness, Oh that's definitely one of the
things you learned. I don't move, Yeah, don't move. They
are not as interested the more you fight. So I'm told, yeah,
watch me get by shark.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I did.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It wasn't because I wanted to go there, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But you know, I also like the because it's clearly
framing him as the predator and she is the prey.
But in the end, you know, she comes back around
on the boat and he's not anticipating it shoots him
with his own harpoon gun, which I guess I could
make a whole thing about how it's a phallic shape
(30:21):
because in horror we always talk about that, but you know,
gets knocked into the water.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, which, by the way, I was like, go, what
are you doing? You know what that's attached to you?
What are you doing? I will say that was one
of the most inferiorating parts, Like what.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, she gets pulled back in the white again, like
you think it's over, and I.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Guess they really need that last But I'm like, whendn't
she first just sat there? I was like, what did
she What are you doing? I did get very mad,
White girl, take that off your foot, Let go of
the gun.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You gotta have you gotta have the final like you know,
is it dead or is it over? And then it's not,
and then it is. But yes, and to have the
shark come for him because he can't he can't stay still. Well,
he's panicking up in there and trying to get back
on the boat, which I yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed
(31:18):
that the shark was like, nah, I won't eat you,
but you though I've been waiting put on a show
for the camera.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Let me do a whole jump out of the water
with you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah. Oh yeah, it's quite quite a scene. Uh. But yes,
this does bring me to something I've been wanting to
talk about for a while. I wasn't able to find
as much research as I thought they would be on it,
But Shark's Ploitation and Women and Shark's Plortation is. Yes,
these shark movies that have just gone off the rails
(31:55):
in recent years. I have list and list of some
of the wilder ones I found. There's one that takes
place in the mountains and snow. There's snow sharks and
all of the it's a bikini skiing contest, because of
course it is, but then there are these sharks.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I feel like I've heard of this.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh it's it's on my like you wouldn't believe this exists,
but yes, it absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I don't know why, but it might have been me.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I do have. I'm gonna I have some honorable mentions
in the bad shark movie category that I'll get to.
This did really kick off with Jaws, which came out
in nineteen seventy five. But you know, in a lot
of ways, shark movies are slasher movies, and slasher movies
have typically been men killing women, or at least killing
them more violently on screen, and usually showing it through
(32:49):
their point of view, which is very much this movie
is very much too Zephyr's point of view. Some articles
suggest women do relate to the victimhood in similar ways
that we might to true crime, and that way, like,
you know, there's this danger, and it's almost, in a
very sad way, refreshing to see it being confirmed that
(33:10):
you do know this is the danger, because yeah, the
numbers suggest we are more at risk not for shark attacks,
shark attacks are very rare, but you know, in general
that kind of danger. In this case, it's a man
who's feeding you to sharks. And there have been there's
been some writing about sharks as kind of the patriarchy. Actually,
(33:34):
something that will just chew you up and spit you out,
doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your well being
at all. And I found one article in particular that
was interesting, and it was about how in more recent
years there's been a shift into women fighting back because
traditionally it has been women getting eaten, and that there
(33:57):
wasn't the fighting back part necessarily, but that it has changed.
And there were a lot of good examples on there,
and I kind of laughed because I've seen them all.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've really delved
into the genre. But yeah, it is. It has long
been the consumption of typically traditionally beautiful Western women, but
(34:18):
that's also changed in recent years. From Dan Ruby's work
The Jaws in the Mirror jump Cut, a review of
contemporary Media Nber ten to eleven, quote, the shark's I
camera view watches from below as the woman swims acrobatically above,
then it rises up under her toward her crotch as
(34:39):
she scissor kicks vertically in the water. The camera quickly
switches to the surface of the water. Here, the close
up of the woman's agonized face as the unseen shark
tears her body under the water is a frightening imitation
of orgasm. The cliche of the equivalence of pleasure and
pain used almost from the first betrayal of female orgasm
in film. The juxtaposition of images, the erotic swimming sequence
(35:04):
and the shark attack appeals to a sadism and hatred
of women, which must be assumed to be a part
of the consciousness of the film's audience. However, the sadism
is disguised so that it can be enjoyed by people
who would not admit to having sadistic impulses or taste.
So this is the first scene in Jaws that he
is describing, which is a very like In my opinion,
(35:27):
that's the scariest part of the whole movie. But I
hadn't really thought about it. But it is true. We
have discussed in slasher movies, that is, it's often done
that way. It's often done as a kind of sexualized
way where you don't usually men but you don't have
(35:47):
to admit like I like seeing women being hurt. I
enjoy that she's getting torn up right now, and that
it's kind of sexual. I'm into it. This is also
the post her It's a famous poster. Was her swimming
like that and then the shark coming up beneath her
for Jaws And interestingly, doing this research, I stumbled upon
(36:14):
a whole paper about the queer reading of Jaws. And
I had never heard of this. But Lauren, again friend
and other podcaster, because of her costume, she told me
about this whole world of like queer Jaws fan fiction
that I see it now. I see it. I hadn't before,
(36:38):
and now I do.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I'm very confused.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
The shark isn't involved, Okay, okay, don't worry about that.
But the paper did talk about how this shark in
Jaws was specifically noted in the first one. I think
they reverse it in the second one to be male shark. Bruce, Yeah, exactly.
So they did talk about, you know, that aspect of
(37:05):
the whole thing. It was behind a paywall, so I
couldn't read the entire paper. I'm running into that more
and more. I don't know about you. Samantha.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I've ran into it a lot, and honestly, I understand it.
I would with everything going down, but at the same time,
it's really irritating.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, it's like I can't pay money. Oh well, I
could use the Shark magazine a lot, but you know,
like if it's something we reference regularly, I could justify that.
I think I would have a harder time to.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Be like, I have a subscription to the medium now
because I feel like I get a lot of good content. Yeah,
different writers with like a variation, so at least those
are all variations versus one specific exacular way. Yeah, I'm
not I'm not paying to look at your conservative left
bar right. I don't want to pay you for this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hell no, exactly, yes, okay. Well, aside from the trying
to research these days, something else I was thinking about
is there's also been a lot written about this is
women's scientists in shark movies, which is again you can
(38:15):
see our episode we did on that. It's really bad.
The whole paper was specifically on women in science, but
they had one section that was about women in shark
science in particular, and the percentage was lower than most
of the other ones. I have talked you weren't there,
(38:36):
you had COVID, but I did talk about deep bluesy
on here and how in that movie Susan the Scientist,
a shark scientist was painted in a very villainous light,
and actually she was supposed to survive, but the audiences
hated her so much they changed the ending, so she died.
(39:00):
And when I read that, I was like, I knew it.
The ending has always felt off to me. It doesn't fit.
I feel like usually there would have been some kind
of redemption. I guess in this case redemption as she dies,
But you know, the point being a lot of times
a male character would not have been received as villainously
as she was. I have seen. I really love the
(39:25):
movie Under Paris. It's kind of funny because it was
about like Paris's please don't bring the Olympics here, which
in a way I enjoyed because like the mayor, the
equivalent of the mayor from Jazz is a woman who's
like eating salads and it's like all swim in the sand,
I don't care, you know, that kind of thing. But
there was a woman's scientist in that Shark Scientist. She
(39:48):
is very much like I like her character, but she
is you know, as you were kind of talking like
the traumatize has had this horrible experience. Also the shark
in that the main shark in that movie is called Lilith,
which we've also done an episode on Lilith about being
the birth of monsters. Yes, and then I have seen
(40:10):
the meg I don't recall because it came up in
a couple of articles I was reading. They were talking
about how there is a woman's scientist in that, but
she's almost completely defined by her attraction to Jason Statham
and her like. I thought it was quite humorous. I
(40:35):
thought maybe it's because I was a And I was like,
oh really, because they have like a scene in there
where you're clearly like supposed to be like fanning yourself
like who And I was just like, put your shirt on, man.
And as as mentioned, any number of bad, very bad
horror movies feature women in bikinis getting eat by sharks.
(40:58):
Not I mean sharks. Were talking about sharks today, but
I could think it's like any creature you could put
X Y Z in there. Okay, So I, as I tease,
here are some mentions I wanted to put in of
(41:19):
bad horror movies. I have come across Shark Harmies, The
Shark Exorcist. This relates to an upcoming episode we're doing
on religious horror, and I was like, you know, if
I wanted to, I could throw this one in there,
because it features an evil nun who summons demonic sharks,
(41:40):
and if you get bitten by the shark, it leads
to possession. And of course the person who gets bitten
by the shark that we're following is like a traditionally
hot lady who transforms into a shark.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
They transform into sharks.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, their own will. By the way, no
it's I would recommend watching a trailer. Don't watch the movie,
but the trailer will give you a good chuckle. The
trailer for Noah's Shark, however, which is my next entry,
is not as good, but I did want to talk
about it funnily enough, so the plot of this movie
(42:19):
is a witch summons sharks to protect Noah's Arc. But
I brought this movie app with my old G and
D crew in front of the show. Joe McCormick was like,
it would have been a much better movie if the
sharks on the arc, like we're evil or something, and
Noah had to kill the sharks, which somebody rightly pointed
(42:43):
out in an article I was reading. Why were the
sharks even all the arc water.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Need to be on the arc, Like, there's no sea
creatures on arcs. They weren't like suppose like from what
I understand, it was all land creatures, right that needed
to be saved. Confusion.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Well, that is fair, that is fair. Here's a quote
I've found about this movie. Noah, you see, forgot a
certain shark to put in his arc. Okay, from the
time I was a little kid, I always thought that
Noah didn't need to put fish or sea creatures in
his arc anyway, because they could just swim around in
the torrential water that flooded the earth. But no this
(43:22):
was a problem, and Noah should have kept this shark
in the ark and not unleash the powerful evil force.
It's all simply ridiculous, with some of the poorest acting
I've ever seen. The story doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
But oh, there's a witch in there too. The Witch
of Indoor is not from a Star Wars world, which
is too bad because it would have been more interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I'm confused why there's a witch when it comes to
Christian folklore.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Listen. I can't explain this to you. I can't. I
don't know if anyone cared.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It's not happening because the old intent was that God,
yes needed to protect. Where does witch come from?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
No one knows. No one knows.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Is it the wife of Noah? Are we calling Oh?
One of the children of Noah?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Oh? It could be. I don't know. I have never
watched Noah's Shark.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Well, I think you have a new assignment.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I need you to do it.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Uh, well, I might.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I think it's time.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I do have a list of all the shark movies
I haven't watched yet, and it is all there.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It is one of them.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That quote was from a Medium article The Ultimate Ridiculousness
and the Lost Story of Noah's Shark by Mike Simansky.
I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a fun read.
It was, I got, and we are. I'm laughing a lot.
I love this genre so much. There has been total nonsense.
I mean, Sharknado is kind of the epitome of what
(44:56):
we're talking about here, of what has happened.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I mean it got two. There's not a sequel.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, I think it's like seven there seven.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I know that one, like at least on Sci Fi Network,
So I don't know Ian what's his face from one
oh Fame? I know was one of the yeah shining
stars on this show.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, well that's an interesting I mean that again, if
I had this Shark podcast, I would talk about it
forever because that was an interesting case of everybody saying
that movie would fail, and rightfully it should have, but
because it was so bizarre and funny.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Like the Troll. Yeah, it also cut a second one,
and it makes you know sense, Well.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Isn't the Troll isn't it not related to the first
one though?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, it was so bad the first one was taking
itself seriously that the second one was like, we're gonna
do a new one, but it's not gonna have anything
to do with it, and it's gonna be ridiculous. Yes,
if I remember correct, it could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
They're completely different. Uh. There's also Troll Honk Show, which
I would say is a really good movie. But I
accidentally watched Troll trying to watch Troll Hunter, and I
was I was very.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Can we do this with a Korean show for you too?
I have completely like, wait, what are you watching?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I have accidentally watched the wrong thing on several occasions.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
To everyone's delight. The Witch of Endine. I just really,
I know, I feel like that alone.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
We should start, like, if I can't do my Shark podcast,
we should have like a Shark review.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm not gonna agree to this, but no, you don't
have to watch him, right.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
If you need this, this is my.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know, we've been talking about doing a Patreon. I
think that's that's the.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Patri and you know me, I would talk about feminist themes.
What I know?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I know. I mean I think if we if we
have a patrion and we do it on our own,
it needs to be but make it feminist and do
whatever we want but have Yeah, it's gonna be called,
but make it a feminist I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Don't steal it, people, I'm just kidding. Yeah, tell us
about it.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, let us know how it goes. How much money
are you making? Yeah, well, listeners that doesn't know if
you'd be interested in something like that, I know I
went kind of off of the actual movie. We were
talking about I, I legitimately think this is a really
good movie and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I enjoyed it, like again, like kind of when you
were talking about people's reasoning about slashers, like maybe that's
why I hate slashers so much, because that's all it
feels like. It just feels like and I feel that
way about a lot of Korean dramas too, like they
do this purposely to bring in violence against women, and
it feels like for no reason, Like one of my
(47:45):
like one of the ones we watched before, they brought
in a kidnapping scene for no reason, Like I really
feel like they could have done any other anything else
like that, but they really loved this this ideal of like,
make sure we torture women, but also will a woman
rescue them? So that's the answer type of conversation. Yeah,
and I think that might be it. But before this one,
(48:07):
I think they did it in a way that didn't
feel like it was sexualizing or victimizing women in a
way that was so like over the top gross. Yeah, picky,
But I was like, Okay, this wasn't fad that. The
ending was interesting. She ended up like we even had
the like turnaround of like he came in to be
(48:27):
a hero on Moses, it was the sweet guy, but
she was the one that ended up being the hero
the entire time. Like yes, he assisted, for sure, sure,
but it was her at her determination and her gumption.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
So kids would say, yeah, yeah, And I have a
friend who also has I didn't say she likes slashers,
but she's and I understand she doesn't like watching them
when eating. Uh. And so we were back. We were
(49:00):
had ordered dinner the other day and I mentioned this
movie and I was like, we should watch that, and
she was like, okay, is there is somebody get eaten
by a shark? And I was like yes. But you know,
when I thought about it, most of the movie is
entirely her trying to escape. Like there is the like
that's the death in the beginning with the boy with
(49:22):
the guy that happens very quickly, and then Heather, which
is very traumatizing but not overly. I mean it's violent,
but it's not like, oh my god. Yeah, but most
of the movie is her trying to escape and it
is very suspenseful just because of that. Yeah, yeah, so
I enjoyed it. I also I did have fun. I've
(49:43):
been meaning to talk about Shark's ortation in some of
these bad movies for a while. I would not categorize
this movie in that in that same space, but I
was curious and I have been wanting to talk about it.
So this was a good means to get to that. Yes, yes, yes,
So listeners, as always, hope you enjoyed this. If you've
(50:04):
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.
Speaker 2 (00:06):
I want my stuff. I never told you affective, iHeartRadio,
and today we have a spoiled Saturday for you. Very
recent movie came out in twenty twenty five, so yes,
spoilers perhaps goes without say, but yeah, this was a
(00:31):
movie I discovered and I just loved, and I immediately
was like, I really want to talk about this. It's
technically more of a summer horror movie, but it does
involve sharks eating people, and this is the season of
eating so.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Live in Australia, so maybe that's true. You know, the
weather's different. Did you discover this movie? Because this was
not on my radar at all? And when you were
even telling me the title, I thought you were just
describing it like that. Was that confused about it?
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, so the movie's called Dangerous Animals. I think because
I love horror movies so much, I get legit notifications
on my phone, like there's this new horror movie and
it'll be something I've never heard of, like hardly anyone's
ever heard of. And I'm pretty sure that's how I
found this one. But I heard, I had heard there
(01:22):
was a lot of good buzz about it. And people
were excited. And what often happens. I have a list
on my phone of horror movies I want to watch,
but when they're from other countries or smaller, they might
not be released, so I can't watch them. So I
have a long list of horror movies that I've been
waiting to watch, and this one is from Australia and
I think i'd like had a notification on this site.
(01:45):
I have of like when is this horror movie available?
Where can I watch it? And it popped up. So
I've been trying to watch this for a long time.
Actually ready, I was so ready. I do. I don't
know why, but I love shark movies. I have a
good friend who also loves shark movies, and we just
send like the strangest shark movie we can find, just
(02:09):
the cover and the description and no other explanation. That's
just our texting relationship. I don't know. I don't know why.
I think there's something about the like I did love
Jaws as a kid, my d And it's the fiftieth
anniversary of Jaws, by the way, And actually said friend
(02:30):
is going as a Jaws character this year. Yes, and
also a friend of the show, Lauren is going as
Jaws and her kitten, who's named after Bruce, the shark
from Jaws, is gonna be have a fin on her back.
Very cute, but I guess it kind of reminds me
(02:53):
of my weird phase I went through that we talked
about on the show where I loved like Mountain Disaster movie.
There's something about like the nature of it.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I am petrified of dark waters, so I have a
lot of phobias, but this definitely this is up there
with the heights and clowns, both of those things. But
like seeing those things, I was like, yeah, this is
You'll never see me anywhere near this area, because like
(03:24):
I went snorkeling, not even like scuba diving, but snorkeling
and Puerto Rico oceans, Puerto Rican oceans, and I saw
what was down there and there are so many things
near my feet that could eat me or bite me
that I was like nope, and I immediately got out,
immediately got out because and so just the thought of
(03:44):
like not being able to stand and not being able
to see how far down or what is down there? Helena, Helena, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
It is scary. I mean I was a weird kid,
and I would watch Jaws every summer to kick off
the summer, and I would tell myself, you know, you
wouldn't have been scared of this if you had watched Jaws.
But then I used to get the debate with myself,
do you think it'd be scared to see the fin
coming for you or to just like not see it?
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Oh, not seeing to me, see it's worse. At least
I know like where it's coming from, and then I
can stare it down. And even though that's like the
anticipation is still scary, but like not knowing where it's
coming from, and every little thing that touches you, it's bad.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't think I ever
fully decided. But there used to be a lot of dolphins.
You saw it when you visited my beach house. There's
a lot of dolphins in that area. And one time
I saw one and I could have sworn up and down.
It was a shark fin and I just like shut
down immediately.
Speaker 1 (04:49):
This is it.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge genre. And that was one
of the reasons I wanted to talk about this movie.
If I had time, I would do a whole podcast
that was just me talking about all the shark movies
you can watch out there, and I've seen quite a
lot of them. But I have been wanting to talk
about that in terms of women and sharks for a while.
(05:15):
So here we are. Here we are with this movie
that I thought was a good a platform for that.
Speaker 1 (05:20):
We've talked about sharks a couple of times, haven't we
we have.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
If you would like to see our past episode we
did on shark women in Shark Science, I would recommend it.
It does start with discussion of Joss for the Revenge,
a Christmas movie if I've ever seen one. Also quite
a bad film, but.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
I will say the ending on this better than The
Mummy Too, but still very much cgi.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is. I feel
like the Mummy Too had a lot more money than
this movie did.
Speaker 1 (06:02):
Probably, so Mummy Too is epic and it's oh my god,
why yeah who did this? But yeah, and so in comparison,
everything is better, every everything, but yeah, score page him
almost waving anyway, keep going.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yes, yes, okay, So we are talking about the twenty
twenty five survival horror serial killer movie Dangerous Animals, which
is written by Nick Laparde and directed by Sean Byrne
and stars Hasse Harrison, Jay Courtney, and Josh Houston. Yeah.
I love this movie. I was so excited to talk
(06:42):
about it. But if that, if that description is making
you scratch your head, let us get into the plot.
The movie opens with a pair of tourists in Australia,
a man and a woman, Greg and Heather, and they're
signing up for a last minute shark cage tour with
a local man, Tucker, who goes out of his way
to ask if they have anyone expecting them, all that
(07:04):
kind of stuff. As they drive out on his boat
into the waters, he tells them he was bitten by
a shark as a child and that his mom did
nothing about it, and he shows shows them the scars.
It's kind of kind of like, oh, yeah, it's all cool.
It gave me new perspective a the way. Yeah, there's
(07:26):
awkward silences in the opening, even a.
Speaker 1 (07:29):
Creepy man warning them this dude is not good.
Speaker 2 (07:34):
They're like, I mean, going back to another topic we've
done around women and not being believed in horror movies.
I can tell Heather was like, maybe we shouldn't be
doing this.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He kept doing like, why did you talk me into this? Why?
How did we do? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (07:49):
But Greg, you know, he's gung ho, he's let's go ahead,
let's go do this. Yes. Yes. They arrive at a
good spot and Heather is clearly on edge and wants
to back out. She doesn't want to do this anymore. However,
Tucker jokes with her and starts to sing baby Shark
to get her to relax. It was quite mean. So
(08:13):
they do get into the shark cage and they see
just so many sharks and they have this really wonderful
time and when they're pulled back up, they're exuberant about it.
They're so happy they did it. But then Tucker stabs
the man in the throat, pushes him in the water,
and Heather screams, cut too are It's a very astonishing cut.
(08:34):
Then we go to our lead character, an American woman
named Zephyr. She's a bit of a drifter and is
in Australia surfing and generally avoiding things. It seems she
sleeps in her big van. While shoplifting at a local
gas station, she encounters Moses, whose car battery won't start,
and he asks her for help, but she refuses until
(08:55):
he confronts her in the parking lot and threatens to
turn her in for shoplifting, so reluctantly she agrees and
they kind of bond over music, though she makes fun
of his song taste as being too simple and about love.
She does start his battery in more ways than one hah,
because they have sex in her van. Oh my goodness,
I wrote that down in the outline just so everyone knows.
(09:22):
I'm so proud of myself. They then discuss Zephyr's plans
and he's like, you know what if you stayed for
a long term kind of thing, we could get to
know each other, and then he goes to make her
breakfast because they're kind of parked outside of his house
at this point. She leaves to go surfing while it
is still pitch black outside, and then she encounters who
(09:45):
we know to be the Killer Tucker, asking to borrow
something from him. She receives a text from Moses, who
is like, I mador breakfast. Can I join you surfing?
And she types out a few responses that demonstrate she's
into him, before subtling on something pretty vague like it's
an open beach. Before she can send it, though, Tucker
(10:05):
attacks and subdues her. She wakes up chained to a
bed on the lower deck of his boat, and Heather
is there, and she kind of explains what she knows
about the situation. Zephyr realizes that Tucker has done this
to numerous women based on the scratches on the wall.
As she tries to break free of her cuffs, Heather
(10:25):
reveals that her mom always wanted a certain kind of
life for her and that she was afraid of exactly
this kind of thing happening, and Zephyr shares that she
grew up in a lot of foster homes and promises
that Heather will get the chance to tell her mom
that it is her life and her decisions. Zephyr tries
to pick the cuffs using the underwire from Heather's swimsuit,
(10:48):
but Tucker drugs the pair before she can. When they
wake up, Zephyr is strapped to a chair and Heather
is strapped in a harness, and Tucker explains that sharks
are attracted to boats like his because of the chum
that they use to attract the sharks for tourist activities,
So even if there isn't any chum, they sort of
show up, and he slowly, despite Zephyr's pleading, lowers Heather
(11:14):
into the shark infested waters, filming as she is torn
apart while Zephyr is forced to watch. Later, Zephyr escapes
her room and then the skirmish throws the camera off
the boat, and it's a really old school camera, by
the way, it's like VHS old school. Tucker is furious
and locks her back up, and we learn that he
(11:36):
has a terrifying amount of these videos of all the
women he's killed. It looks like about thirty presumably drifters
who wouldn't have had people looking for them or know
where they were, and he attaches the lock of their
hair to fishing hooks and puts them inside the video cases.
The filming of the whole thing is really important to him,
(11:58):
so he returns to land to get another camera. Meanwhile,
Moses is suspicious that he hasn't heard from Zephyr and
is able to get some security camera footage that leads
him to Tucker's boat. He sneaks on board and follows
Zephyrs screams. She asks him to call the authorities and
find something to help her pick the lock and Moses
(12:19):
rushes to do so, but Tucker, now with a new camera,
is back and attacks him. It's a back and forth,
but eventually it looks like Moses is going to win
this fight until Tucker's drunk doc neighbor comes in and
knocks Moses out, and realizing that this is a witness,
Tucker kills him. Kills the drunk guy, and his dog
(12:41):
did get away. I made sure to warn you about that.
Speaker 1 (12:43):
Yeah, I was like, she looks like, okay.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Forgiven, Yes, for dog makes it.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Everyoneously, but the dog is fine.
Speaker 2 (12:51):
The dog, the dog did make it. So yeah, Tucker
kills him and changs Moses up in the same room
as Sephyr, and they talk about commitment and why Zephyr
lefts and Moses is pretty injured by the way. At
this point, Tucker once again puts Zephyr in the chair
and loads Moses into the harness, luring him into the water,
(13:12):
and he makes a point to say, like, I don't
normally do men or matine and all this stuff, so
it's kind of like not what his typical murdering is.
Zephyr tells Moses to stay completely still, and he does,
and the sharks pay him no attention, so annoyed Tucker
stabs him over and over and then goes to lower
(13:35):
him back down, but has a stop when a lifeguard
helicopter flies over. So now Moses is gravely injured, and
Zephyr bites off her thumb to escape from her handcuffs
and makes another break for it. Another confrontation takes place
between her and Tucker, and she is drugged in the process,
(13:55):
but even so, she jumps into the water and swims
toward a wedding venue that she seen. There's like a
party cruise boat in a wedding venue that she can see,
and she's making it. But before she can alert anyone,
Tucker catches up to her in his small little boat
and subdues her again. When she wakes up, she is
now in the harness, while Moses is in the chair
(14:17):
forced to watch, Tucker monologues about how she is a marlin,
a fish that is constantly running and fighting, and that's
the thrill of catching them. An enormous great white appears
as she is placed in the water, and she remains
still as she advised Moses to do. She's able to
free herself from the harness, but falls back into the
water and holds her breath As she encounters this great
(14:41):
white under the water again, It seemingly gives her a
good look and swims away. Zephyr sneaks back onto the boat,
grabs Tucker's fear gun and shoots him with it after
quoting a line from the song she made fun of
Moses for liking. Tucker falls into the water, and as
the the camera films is eaten by the great white shark,
(15:04):
Zephyr uses a flair gun to signal for help, and
she and Moses talk about their future together. The end, Yeah,
and the.
Speaker 1 (15:14):
Ending is where I'm talking about. You can see him
and almost like waving as he's being eaten.
Speaker 2 (15:20):
He's like the camera's watching. No one's gonna help you,
just like when my mom didn't help me either. It's
(15:41):
a wild ride. I really really, really really enjoy this movie.
Oh but that does kind of transition into one of
the themes I wanted to talk about. And I looked
into this because we have discussed it before. But there
is this idea of it being the mom's fault that
we you see a lot in Horror. It's not really
(16:03):
explored that explicitly, but he does mention it in the beginning,
it's clear he hates women, goes for women, and so
one must assume that it's because of this origin story
of him being attacked by a shark and his mom
in his mind did not help him. Yeah. So one
(16:29):
of the tagline for this movie is You're safer in
the water. And Samith and I were discussing this before,
but you know, the dangerous animals in this case would
be men, And it made me remember that episode we
did when you were discussing the social media trend of
(16:49):
like would you rather take on a bear or a man? Yeah,
And this case, Zephyr at least, is much more like
I will. She jumps in water so easily every time
she gets away, and I'm always like sharks there, but
she wants to get away from this man who she
knows means her harm and will kill her. Uh. Using
(17:12):
these sharks.
Speaker 1 (17:14):
She's such a point say they are not the monsters
you are.
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Yeah, yeah, well yeah obviously, and she does like I
really like her as a character, but she I mean,
it's clear like she's got a lot of she's had
a lot of bad experience with men, so she was
ready with that line. She was like, no, you're you're
blaming like this on all the wrong people. It should
(17:40):
be yourself. The blame is where it goes.
Speaker 1 (17:44):
I find it interesting. I feel like a new not newer,
it's definitely older, but like coming in to survivor horror
type of movies that they're bringing in. They have to
be orphans. I see that a lot. I see that
a lot anyway, but like and also have attachment issues
like they like they the women have to have an
attachment issue. Yah, but on that front of being like,
(18:07):
I would love for you to join, but she changes
her mind and says, the ocean's free for everyone. Okay, Okay.
It is a new troupe that I've been seeing more
and more.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Of it is, and I do kind of like the
flip in this where Moses is the one that's like,
why can't we what's the problem? Why are you running away?
After they've had this sex and all.
Speaker 1 (18:29):
I will say when I was first watching it, I
was waiting to see if he was a bad guy. Mmm,
because I didn't know for sure, because like the whole
boy jumping out of nowhere or helped me do my car,
that's the whole thing I know it's I missed the RCT,
but just saying it did get ye. I was like,
is he a bad guy? Is he helping this dude?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
It's true he ate and he the drunk boat guy
was helping him out.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He didn't know there was murdering, right, He thought he
was just scamming him.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
Yeah, he just thought it was a big scam. But
he was directing people to take.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Kind of which because the first like the first couple,
he was like, don't go out there. She's not gonna
be okay. She might be okay, but you won't like
telling them like this that people are missing and lose
body parts out there, but good luck.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
Yeah, I warn them.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
It's a weird, like it's kind of how the cabin
in the woods they have that ominous like old man
warning them, and that's him at the very big But
then he's like, I try to talk to these people
to come back.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
So he was very confusing, Yeah he was. He seemed
to like Tucker, but yeah, he was a confusing fellow.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I mean because he's like, what are you doing, man?
What is this bird doing down here? Doesn't he say
a bird? I always loved when they do, like what
you'd like sexist title, right.
Speaker 2 (19:52):
Yeah, yeah, well, and I think I kind of had
a because I knew what it was about. I knew
he was the bad guy before i'd even seen it.
But I mean, he is like eerie pretty immediately something
feels off about him. And I have to say, you know,
(20:13):
I wasn't a by any means a drifter or anything.
But when I was in Australia, I couldn't contact my parents.
That was just like that was also because it was
early earlier in our technology. It wasn't that long ago,
but it was just so remote in a lot of
areas you can't I couldn't contact them, so my poor
parents they would get like a random email that would
(20:36):
say like everything's fine, but nothing else. So I was
thinking about that a lot in this movie, because he
does target people who he assumes no one will come
looking for, because you would think, like somebody would have
reported this tourist company have really.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Bad Well, no one knew they had thought that they
were doing because they just left them to the person.
They just left them, so they didn't say where they
were going, who they were going to see. They gave
no notes. But then like did they have a neuber driver.
I was thinking this little earlier, like plausibly if they
actually researched, because or did search because the mother of
that girl's gonna eventually, like she came down here, where
(21:14):
is she figure out what? So that she was staying
at see cameras because you know there's CCTV everywhere that
picks up the lift or a taxi, and that taxi
would tell them where they dropped them off. Like eventually
it's gonna be notable.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
Yeah, well, I wonder if that's one of the reasons,
if that's why they chose he always uses VHS right,
Like he's not thinking about he's been doing this for
so long, he's not thinking about like the current technology anymore,
and so maybe he was on the verge of getting
caught anyway, and that you know, I would love if
(21:53):
any listeners from Australia right in, because I have watched
a lot of Australian horror movies lately that do have
some pretty heavy themes around misogyny and feminism. Yeah, I'm
just kind of curious, like it could be it could
be just the algorithm. I don't know, but a lot
(22:15):
of the horror movies I've seen coming out of Australia lately,
I've I've been like, huh, something's going.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
On right here, and it could because like I've seen that,
and like again for me, South Korea is like a
big focus and that's a big thing in that conversation
and oftentimes there's always women targeted blah blah blah. But
like in Australia too, the one thing that I always
think of is all the amount of creatures in the
vast amount of lands that aren't necessarily common and don't
have all of like the technology. Like in the US
(22:44):
there's not really undiscovered, not undiscovered, but like not very
settled areas. Maybe in Montana there's a little bit, but
even still like even in the deserts maybe, but there's
so much technology and like access Okay, also Alaska, Alaska
and Puerto Rico probably any of the territories maybe questionable
for sure. That's also why I think there's a good
(23:04):
bit of it, like some bit of dark like murder
mysteries and horror movies that come out of Alaska too.
I've seen a bit out of that, but you know
what I mean, Like it's not so common and especially inland,
like in the main parts of the US, so to
see like Australia, there's all like these levels are like no,
there's a lot of this bush area, these air likes
can be really hard to get all this kind of signal.
(23:26):
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm just thinking twenty years ago,
but that's what it seems like when I see horror movies,
because I've seen several of like Survivor movies like that.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Yeah, yeah, and again I was there twenty oh gosh,
it was longer than that two thousand and eight. I
was there in two thousand and eight, and it was
I mean, you would see signs that would say something
like eight hundred kilometers until the next douney, which the toilet.
(23:56):
It's just it does have a feeling of just a
lot of emptiness, especially in the middle. And I know
that there are a lot of horror movies I've seen
out of Australia that are kind of similar to this,
where there are there's a killer who's never been caught
(24:18):
and he's been doing it for a long time just
because he was able to because there's like no technology
or that no one knows anything could have happened to
someone who got lost or something like that. So I
do find that interesting. Again, I would love to hear
(24:38):
from listeners because I have at least three other horror
movies that I've thought about talking about on the show
that come from Australia that were very like tackling this misogyny.
And yeah, I mean he does in this movie. He
does record and watch the films back. It's obviously a
very disturbing, joyous moment for him. He's like dancing and
(25:02):
eating oh rewatch, yeah, enjoying his yeah, oh yeah.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
One thing I did appreciate is that they didn't need
to like violate women, like like sexually violate, which is
typically always especially in a movie in that tone. Don't
get me wrong, it's still very bad. It's still very bad,
but they didn't need like when she was giving the underwire,
she like covered herself and he didn't come, you know
what I mean. Like, I was kind of surprised the
(25:32):
word that tone took cause I was like, oh god,
it's gonna be one more horn piece where they stick
this part in in which every woman in the world
is like, oh my god, what is It's comfortable and
it arouses men like it's a very very male perspective,
and they didn't do that. I was like, huh, okay, okay,
and they still told a good horror story.
Speaker 2 (25:51):
Yeah, and I liked that too. I was worried about oh,
but I like they don't. It doesn't go on that territory.
It's still it is still very creepy because he's obviously
getting like when he's making the hook and he's keeping
the hair, like he has these keepsakes. But it doesn't
go into that area. And I actually kind of liked that.
(26:14):
It's such a small thing and it makes me sad.
But when she asked for the wire, the underwire, like
that's such a girl's Nobody really knows about that outside.
We don't talk about that. So I liked that. But
I also thought about that. We're going to get more
into this in a second. But there's been a long
history of when it comes to not just horror, advertising
(26:38):
does this all the time, but kind of that consumption
of women and shark movies really hit that all the nomes.
And so that scene where he is watching Heather, he's
watching the video of Heather just getting torn up and
eaten heat and he's eating it's a it's a strange
kind of meta moment. Because you're watching it as the viewer,
(26:59):
and you know, like I've potentially, if I like these
horror movies, been in that seat of just enjoying someone
get torn up. And it's a very uncomfortable moment that
I thought was well done and enjoyed. So I don't
know what that does about me. I also did like
(27:22):
I've always liked this, but I love Zephyr's refusal to
give up because I feel, again, this might say something
about me. I'm worried. I would I'm worried. At a
certain point, I would just be like I can't even
scream anymore, Like this is the kind of the hopelessness
(27:44):
of it. But she does not, like she attempts like
three or four escape.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
I mean, when she puts her name on the wall,
it felt like she might be giving up, especially in
discovering like not only with one other name, but there
was four other names, like she realized, oh, because he
had painted over some of the names, even like he
didn't want them to know too much. And then also
like making sure to memorialize Heather, which I was like, okay,
(28:12):
but all of those things to be like it did
almost feel like it, but every time she almost gave up.
This new hope did come back, like with form of
Moses coming actually showing up, being able to get out
of the handcuffs the first time, it almost almost escaping
the first time, and stuff like that, like knowing that
she'd or he had to dock the boat. That was
another hopeful moment. Like all these things. It almost like
(28:34):
the world kept pushing her to try, and she was like, yes,
I'm listening.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
Yes, yeah. And he has that whole monologue where he's like, oh,
they're in Marlin. They never quit. They're not the best,
like cut of fish, but everybody wants one because the
trophy of like capturing it, and he's comparing her to
that of like her constant trying to escape. And when
the Great White shows up, he's like, I knew this
(29:01):
would be a special one. He's so excited, but I
don't know, I just really enjoyed that, even though it
was because it's a horror movie. It's so frustrating, like, oh,
she almost got away, and then we're back here again,
and she does I like that. She she really like
(29:24):
she did what she could foreather, she did what she
could for Moses. Even though she's got this whole commitment issue.
She really did like care and and so calm when
faced with the sharks.
Speaker 1 (29:40):
I oh, my goodness, Oh that's definitely one of the
things you learned. I don't move, Yeah, don't move. They
are not as interested the more you fight. So I'm told, yeah,
watch me get by shark.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I did.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
It wasn't because I wanted to go there, yes.
Speaker 2 (30:01):
But you know, I also like the because it's clearly
framing him as the predator and she is the prey.
But in the end, you know, she comes back around
on the boat and he's not anticipating it shoots him
with his own harpoon gun, which I guess I could
make a whole thing about how it's a phallic shape
(30:21):
because in horror we always talk about that, but you know,
gets knocked into the water.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
Yeah, which, by the way, I was like, go, what
are you doing? You know what that's attached to you?
What are you doing? I will say that was one
of the most inferiorating parts, Like what.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Yeah, she gets pulled back in the white again, like
you think it's over, and I.
Speaker 1 (30:42):
Guess they really need that last But I'm like, whendn't
she first just sat there? I was like, what did
she What are you doing? I did get very mad,
White girl, take that off your foot, Let go of
the gun.
Speaker 2 (30:55):
You gotta have you gotta have the final like you know,
is it dead or is it over? And then it's not,
and then it is. But yes, and to have the
shark come for him because he can't he can't stay still. Well,
he's panicking up in there and trying to get back
on the boat, which I yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed
(31:18):
that the shark was like, nah, I won't eat you,
but you though I've been waiting put on a show
for the camera.
Speaker 1 (31:27):
Let me do a whole jump out of the water
with you.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
Yeah. Oh yeah, it's quite quite a scene. Uh. But yes,
this does bring me to something I've been wanting to
talk about for a while. I wasn't able to find
as much research as I thought they would be on it,
But Shark's Ploitation and Women and Shark's Plortation is. Yes,
these shark movies that have just gone off the rails
(31:55):
in recent years. I have list and list of some
of the wilder ones I found. There's one that takes
place in the mountains and snow. There's snow sharks and
all of the it's a bikini skiing contest, because of
course it is, but then there are these sharks.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
I feel like I've heard of this.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh it's it's on my like you wouldn't believe this exists,
but yes, it absolutely does.
Speaker 1 (32:20):
I don't know why, but it might have been me.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
I do have. I'm gonna I have some honorable mentions
in the bad shark movie category that I'll get to.
This did really kick off with Jaws, which came out
in nineteen seventy five. But you know, in a lot
of ways, shark movies are slasher movies, and slasher movies
have typically been men killing women, or at least killing
them more violently on screen, and usually showing it through
(32:49):
their point of view, which is very much this movie
is very much too Zephyr's point of view. Some articles
suggest women do relate to the victimhood in similar ways
that we might to true crime, and that way, like,
you know, there's this danger, and it's almost, in a
very sad way, refreshing to see it being confirmed that
(33:10):
you do know this is the danger, because yeah, the
numbers suggest we are more at risk not for shark attacks,
shark attacks are very rare, but you know, in general
that kind of danger. In this case, it's a man
who's feeding you to sharks. And there have been there's
been some writing about sharks as kind of the patriarchy. Actually,
(33:34):
something that will just chew you up and spit you out,
doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your well being
at all. And I found one article in particular that
was interesting, and it was about how in more recent
years there's been a shift into women fighting back because
traditionally it has been women getting eaten, and that there
(33:57):
wasn't the fighting back part necessarily, but that it has changed.
And there were a lot of good examples on there,
and I kind of laughed because I've seen them all.
I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've really delved
into the genre. But yeah, it is. It has long
been the consumption of typically traditionally beautiful Western women, but
(34:18):
that's also changed in recent years. From Dan Ruby's work
The Jaws in the Mirror jump Cut, a review of
contemporary Media Nber ten to eleven, quote, the shark's I
camera view watches from below as the woman swims acrobatically above,
then it rises up under her toward her crotch as
(34:39):
she scissor kicks vertically in the water. The camera quickly
switches to the surface of the water. Here, the close
up of the woman's agonized face as the unseen shark
tears her body under the water is a frightening imitation
of orgasm. The cliche of the equivalence of pleasure and
pain used almost from the first betrayal of female orgasm
in film. The juxtaposition of images, the erotic swimming sequence
(35:04):
and the shark attack appeals to a sadism and hatred
of women, which must be assumed to be a part
of the consciousness of the film's audience. However, the sadism
is disguised so that it can be enjoyed by people
who would not admit to having sadistic impulses or taste.
So this is the first scene in Jaws that he
is describing, which is a very like In my opinion,
(35:27):
that's the scariest part of the whole movie. But I
hadn't really thought about it. But it is true. We
have discussed in slasher movies, that is, it's often done
that way. It's often done as a kind of sexualized
way where you don't usually men but you don't have
(35:47):
to admit like I like seeing women being hurt. I
enjoy that she's getting torn up right now, and that
it's kind of sexual. I'm into it. This is also
the post her It's a famous poster. Was her swimming
like that and then the shark coming up beneath her
for Jaws And interestingly, doing this research, I stumbled upon
(36:14):
a whole paper about the queer reading of Jaws. And
I had never heard of this. But Lauren, again friend
and other podcaster, because of her costume, she told me
about this whole world of like queer Jaws fan fiction
that I see it now. I see it. I hadn't before,
(36:38):
and now I do.
Speaker 1 (36:41):
I'm very confused.
Speaker 2 (36:42):
The shark isn't involved, Okay, okay, don't worry about that.
But the paper did talk about how this shark in
Jaws was specifically noted in the first one. I think
they reverse it in the second one to be male shark. Bruce, Yeah, exactly.
So they did talk about, you know, that aspect of
(37:05):
the whole thing. It was behind a paywall, so I
couldn't read the entire paper. I'm running into that more
and more. I don't know about you. Samantha.
Speaker 1 (37:13):
I've ran into it a lot, and honestly, I understand it.
I would with everything going down, but at the same time,
it's really irritating.
Speaker 2 (37:21):
Well, it's like I can't pay money. Oh well, I
could use the Shark magazine a lot, but you know,
like if it's something we reference regularly, I could justify that.
I think I would have a harder time to.
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Be like, I have a subscription to the medium now
because I feel like I get a lot of good content. Yeah,
different writers with like a variation, so at least those
are all variations versus one specific exacular way. Yeah, I'm
not I'm not paying to look at your conservative left
bar right. I don't want to pay you for this.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Hell no, exactly, yes, okay. Well, aside from the trying
to research these days, something else I was thinking about
is there's also been a lot written about this is
women's scientists in shark movies, which is again you can
(38:15):
see our episode we did on that. It's really bad.
The whole paper was specifically on women in science, but
they had one section that was about women in shark
science in particular, and the percentage was lower than most
of the other ones. I have talked you weren't there,
(38:36):
you had COVID, but I did talk about deep bluesy
on here and how in that movie Susan the Scientist,
a shark scientist was painted in a very villainous light,
and actually she was supposed to survive, but the audiences
hated her so much they changed the ending, so she died.
(39:00):
And when I read that, I was like, I knew it.
The ending has always felt off to me. It doesn't fit.
I feel like usually there would have been some kind
of redemption. I guess in this case redemption as she dies,
But you know, the point being a lot of times
a male character would not have been received as villainously
as she was. I have seen. I really love the
(39:25):
movie Under Paris. It's kind of funny because it was
about like Paris's please don't bring the Olympics here, which
in a way I enjoyed because like the mayor, the
equivalent of the mayor from Jazz is a woman who's
like eating salads and it's like all swim in the sand,
I don't care, you know, that kind of thing. But
there was a woman's scientist in that Shark Scientist. She
(39:48):
is very much like I like her character, but she
is you know, as you were kind of talking like
the traumatize has had this horrible experience. Also the shark
in that the main shark in that movie is called Lilith,
which we've also done an episode on Lilith about being
the birth of monsters. Yes, and then I have seen
(40:10):
the meg I don't recall because it came up in
a couple of articles I was reading. They were talking
about how there is a woman's scientist in that, but
she's almost completely defined by her attraction to Jason Statham
and her like. I thought it was quite humorous. I
(40:35):
thought maybe it's because I was a And I was like,
oh really, because they have like a scene in there
where you're clearly like supposed to be like fanning yourself
like who And I was just like, put your shirt on, man.
And as as mentioned, any number of bad, very bad
horror movies feature women in bikinis getting eat by sharks.
(40:58):
Not I mean sharks. Were talking about sharks today, but
I could think it's like any creature you could put
X Y Z in there. Okay, So I, as I tease,
here are some mentions I wanted to put in of
(41:19):
bad horror movies. I have come across Shark Harmies, The
Shark Exorcist. This relates to an upcoming episode we're doing
on religious horror, and I was like, you know, if
I wanted to, I could throw this one in there,
because it features an evil nun who summons demonic sharks,
(41:40):
and if you get bitten by the shark, it leads
to possession. And of course the person who gets bitten
by the shark that we're following is like a traditionally
hot lady who transforms into a shark.
Speaker 1 (41:55):
They transform into sharks.
Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yeah, oh yeah, their own will. By the way, no
it's I would recommend watching a trailer. Don't watch the movie,
but the trailer will give you a good chuckle. The
trailer for Noah's Shark, however, which is my next entry,
is not as good, but I did want to talk
about it funnily enough, so the plot of this movie
(42:19):
is a witch summons sharks to protect Noah's Arc. But
I brought this movie app with my old G and
D crew in front of the show. Joe McCormick was like,
it would have been a much better movie if the
sharks on the arc, like we're evil or something, and
Noah had to kill the sharks, which somebody rightly pointed
(42:43):
out in an article I was reading. Why were the
sharks even all the arc water.
Speaker 1 (42:48):
Need to be on the arc, Like, there's no sea
creatures on arcs. They weren't like suppose like from what
I understand, it was all land creatures, right that needed
to be saved. Confusion.
Speaker 2 (43:00):
Well, that is fair, that is fair. Here's a quote
I've found about this movie. Noah, you see, forgot a
certain shark to put in his arc. Okay, from the
time I was a little kid, I always thought that
Noah didn't need to put fish or sea creatures in
his arc anyway, because they could just swim around in
the torrential water that flooded the earth. But no this
(43:22):
was a problem, and Noah should have kept this shark
in the ark and not unleash the powerful evil force.
It's all simply ridiculous, with some of the poorest acting
I've ever seen. The story doesn't make any sense whatsoever.
But oh, there's a witch in there too. The Witch
of Indoor is not from a Star Wars world, which
is too bad because it would have been more interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:46):
I'm confused why there's a witch when it comes to
Christian folklore.
Speaker 2 (43:52):
Listen. I can't explain this to you. I can't. I
don't know if anyone cared.
Speaker 1 (43:57):
It's not happening because the old intent was that God,
yes needed to protect. Where does witch come from?
Speaker 2 (44:07):
No one knows. No one knows.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Is it the wife of Noah? Are we calling Oh?
One of the children of Noah?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
Oh? It could be. I don't know. I have never
watched Noah's Shark.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Well, I think you have a new assignment.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I don't know if I can do it.
Speaker 1 (44:23):
I need you to do it.
Speaker 2 (44:25):
Uh, well, I might.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
I think it's time.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
I do have a list of all the shark movies
I haven't watched yet, and it is all there.
Speaker 1 (44:33):
It is one of them.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
That quote was from a Medium article The Ultimate Ridiculousness
and the Lost Story of Noah's Shark by Mike Simansky.
I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a fun read.
It was, I got, and we are. I'm laughing a lot.
I love this genre so much. There has been total nonsense.
I mean, Sharknado is kind of the epitome of what
(44:56):
we're talking about here, of what has happened.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
I mean it got two. There's not a sequel.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
No, I think it's like seven there seven.
Speaker 1 (45:06):
I know that one, like at least on Sci Fi Network,
So I don't know Ian what's his face from one
oh Fame? I know was one of the yeah shining
stars on this show.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
Yeah, well that's an interesting I mean that again, if
I had this Shark podcast, I would talk about it
forever because that was an interesting case of everybody saying
that movie would fail, and rightfully it should have, but
because it was so bizarre and funny.
Speaker 1 (45:36):
Like the Troll. Yeah, it also cut a second one,
and it makes you know sense, Well.
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Isn't the Troll isn't it not related to the first
one though?
Speaker 1 (45:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (45:45):
Exactly.
Speaker 1 (45:46):
Yeah, it was so bad the first one was taking
itself seriously that the second one was like, we're gonna
do a new one, but it's not gonna have anything
to do with it, and it's gonna be ridiculous. Yes,
if I remember correct, it could be wrong.
Speaker 2 (45:55):
They're completely different. Uh. There's also Troll Honk Show, which
I would say is a really good movie. But I
accidentally watched Troll trying to watch Troll Hunter, and I
was I was very.
Speaker 1 (46:05):
Can we do this with a Korean show for you too?
I have completely like, wait, what are you watching?
Speaker 2 (46:11):
I have accidentally watched the wrong thing on several occasions.
Speaker 1 (46:15):
To everyone's delight. The Witch of Endine. I just really,
I know, I feel like that alone.
Speaker 2 (46:22):
We should start, like, if I can't do my Shark podcast,
we should have like a Shark review.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
I'm not gonna agree to this, but no, you don't
have to watch him, right.
Speaker 2 (46:34):
If you need this, this is my.
Speaker 1 (46:37):
You know, we've been talking about doing a Patreon. I
think that's that's the.
Speaker 2 (46:40):
Patri and you know me, I would talk about feminist themes.
What I know?
Speaker 1 (46:48):
I know. I mean I think if we if we
have a patrion and we do it on our own,
it needs to be but make it feminist and do
whatever we want but have Yeah, it's gonna be called,
but make it a feminist I like that.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
I like that.
Speaker 1 (47:05):
Don't steal it, people, I'm just kidding. Yeah, tell us
about it.
Speaker 2 (47:09):
Yeah, let us know how it goes. How much money
are you making? Yeah, well, listeners that doesn't know if
you'd be interested in something like that, I know I
went kind of off of the actual movie. We were
talking about I, I legitimately think this is a really
good movie and I enjoyed it.
Speaker 1 (47:24):
I enjoyed it, like again, like kind of when you
were talking about people's reasoning about slashers, like maybe that's
why I hate slashers so much, because that's all it
feels like. It just feels like and I feel that
way about a lot of Korean dramas too, like they
do this purposely to bring in violence against women, and
it feels like for no reason, Like one of my
(47:45):
like one of the ones we watched before, they brought
in a kidnapping scene for no reason, Like I really
feel like they could have done any other anything else
like that, but they really loved this this ideal of like,
make sure we torture women, but also will a woman
rescue them? So that's the answer type of conversation. Yeah,
and I think that might be it. But before this one,
(48:07):
I think they did it in a way that didn't
feel like it was sexualizing or victimizing women in a
way that was so like over the top gross. Yeah, picky,
But I was like, Okay, this wasn't fad that. The
ending was interesting. She ended up like we even had
the like turnaround of like he came in to be
(48:27):
a hero on Moses, it was the sweet guy, but
she was the one that ended up being the hero
the entire time. Like yes, he assisted, for sure, sure,
but it was her at her determination and her gumption.
Speaker 2 (48:40):
So kids would say, yeah, yeah, And I have a
friend who also has I didn't say she likes slashers,
but she's and I understand she doesn't like watching them
when eating. Uh. And so we were back. We were
(49:00):
had ordered dinner the other day and I mentioned this
movie and I was like, we should watch that, and
she was like, okay, is there is somebody get eaten
by a shark? And I was like yes. But you know,
when I thought about it, most of the movie is
entirely her trying to escape. Like there is the like
that's the death in the beginning with the boy with
(49:22):
the guy that happens very quickly, and then Heather, which
is very traumatizing but not overly. I mean it's violent,
but it's not like, oh my god. Yeah, but most
of the movie is her trying to escape and it
is very suspenseful just because of that. Yeah, yeah, so
I enjoyed it. I also I did have fun. I've
(49:43):
been meaning to talk about Shark's ortation in some of
these bad movies for a while. I would not categorize
this movie in that in that same space, but I
was curious and I have been wanting to talk about it.
So this was a good means to get to that. Yes, yes, yes,
So listeners, as always, hope you enjoyed this. If you've
(50:04):
seen it, or if you check it out, write in
let us know if you have other short movies we
should discuss, or any any horror movies movies in general.
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