May 17, 2025 • 54 mins
Feel Her Love. The quest for revenge gets violent. The Infected grow more dangerous. Someone from the past returns.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff
I Never told you, production by Heart Radio, and welcome
to another episode of our seven part mini series on
the last of Us Season two.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Only two more left, everybody after this one? Oh? I know?
So this is follow up to our season one reactions
that we did. And the way that this works is
that Samantha and I watched the episode together when it
comes out on Sunday, and then we record this the
following week, and then the episode comes out the Saturday
(00:50):
before the previous episode, So spoilers the previous the next episode,
so spoilers for what has come out in season two already,
season one, first game and parts of the second game,
although I'm trying to avoid plot points, but it's getting
difficult so that I am ready to burst at the seams.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Also, the timing is changing, like the way that they
kind of look and what we know of it, and
like but we don't know of it, and I say
we being new and me asking questions.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, but it's also getting too. It's getting to the
finale that I have. I'm just I want to talk
about all of it, so I want it all to
be out already, So we can talk about it, but
we can't. So today we're talking about the most recent episode,
which at this point is episode five. Content orning I
(01:47):
suppose for violence. It's pretty violent show and game. But yeah, yeah,
that's what we're doing. We're not doing sex in the
City reactions or fiction episodes during this time because that's
more work on Christina. But as mentioned, yeah, there's only
(02:09):
seven episodes in this only two more. I do want
to put in here at this point because I do
think I know what's gonna happen in the finale. Please remember,
there's a season three.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
This is a season everybody's so angry anyway, So I know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, we all knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We all knew. We all people who've watched the game
played the game.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, and they did call it their Empire strikes Back season, which,
if you remember the Empire Strikes Back, it was not
popular when it first came out. Was people were so mad. So, uh,
you know, give it time, give it time, rewatch when
it all comes out, I promise you the rewatch is
gonna be worth it. Okay, okay, m So the way
(02:59):
that these work is Samantha gives a recap, which if
you somehow missed all of this, one of the reasons
we're doing it is this is like my favorite game,
and I've made Samantha watch me play it more than once.
I am convinced more than ever. I actually could make
some money playing it because a lot of people want
(03:20):
to see the game versus the show.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Right, Well, that's the thing. I just actually read an
article about how people are feeling a little not jilted necessarily,
but like they the difference is so different, like so
much that people were like, but no, it's better when
you watch it, and that they said that the hour
they tallied that most people who are gamers have spent
more time watching the game people playing the game than
(03:45):
playing the actual game. Not necessarily for you, but no
other people's any I'm pretty good, good, but also you
are that person that people watch.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, and I do pick up all the notes and
all of this stuff. Well, anyway, we'll we'll talk about
that bore in a second. So saman think it's the
recap and then yeah, I go through my thoughts.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yes, yeah, so let's do this recap.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We are on episode five and we open up to
seeing once again Henry hann Alana Ubach. She is a
legend in her own and we see a door, everybody
staring at this door. She walks away into an interrogation
(04:28):
room and we see a wolf officer WLF. And the
first question essentially is why did you leave your soldiers
to die or why did you kill your soldiers? Implications
that she had to kill soldiers, and it goes into
this story about them trying to get into a hospital
to take the hospital. Essentially, hospitals are really important right now,
(04:51):
I'm assuming, and she talks about how they were clearing it.
It was really empty. It was surprisingly empty. They were
thinking either someone like maybe the seraphi or something was there,
so they were trying to clear it. And what they
discover is that it is so dead like that not
even rats. There's no noise. So that's that clearing uh,
people are doing floor by floor. She gets a call
(05:13):
from Leon. She just says Leon, who she sent to
B two, basement two, and she hears him and his
reaction was like it sounded like he couldn't breathe, she says,
And he says, something's down here. Don't come down here.
I can't breathe. And in this point they are like, okay,
(05:34):
there's something in the air. There's do they actually say
the word spores in this part.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
He doesn't say spores, but he says it's in the air.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Seala's in, Yes, it's in the air, and Cela's in
And so she makes a difficult choice of doing so,
and you could tell she's really broken up about it
the officer, and then as we go back to Hanrahan,
she essentially says, we're gonna call We're gonna consider this handled.
You did what you had to do. You saved everybody,
(06:02):
Sorry for the loss of your son, essentially. So it
turns out it was her son that she sailed in.
And then we cut two before we figure out what
really is happening, what is happening, what is in the air,
to Dina and Ellie at the theater which Annie has
gone to dum and Dina's doing some things, ruined, some
(06:23):
things out, you know, And it turns out she tries
to tryangulate the location of Wolfe, specifically Nora, who they
have already said that she was at the hospital, the
aforementioned hospital, and she's trying to try to angulate her
location and make a plan. She's got maps, she got
all these things. Ellie, who as inferred as not the
(06:44):
mostudious of types, I was like, you know, I can help,
and she's like, oh really, well the well can you
do these things? She's like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go and do them things. But she did turn the
lights on for the theater. She found I'm a generator,
so I thought that's very loud, but hey, you do
you so moving on, so she goes to explore and
look around. Uh, finds the stage with a somewhat good
(07:06):
guitar and gets all the stages. She starts playing some
notes in which Annie starts screaming, oh no, oh no, yeah,
and there's tears to be had. Turns out to be
a little bit of the Pearl Jam song that obviously
brings up some things in Ellie. Because she can't get
through it, she has to put it back down. We
move on where Dinas has founder. Essentially, I got good news,
(07:31):
you know, I figured out where she was. However, we're
gonna have to go through this area, this building which
seems to be empty but they're assuming has infected. So
we can do this reckless thing, or we don't have
to or whatever whatnot. And as they're preparing to go,
they're like, Ellie's like, yes, we're gonna go, let's do this.
(07:52):
They get a plan together because Ellie, you know, it's
a little bit reckless as she intends, but Dina's got
some plans. She's got we gotta do this, we gotta
do that, We're going to do this. So they get
it all that way. But then as I go, Ellie realizes,
oh my god, oh my god, I've brought you in here.
You're pregnant. I don't know if we should do this.
We can turn around. And at this point is when
Dina shares her story about her family and how she
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had a sister and her mother and that she really
wanted to go outside and play. She want to do
these things, and one thing she did, but when she returned,
her mom and her sister were dead. The raider was
still there and there she shot him, and she would
do it again. Essentially, she's like, yep, I don't regret that.
As well as being like eight, she said that, she
said she was eight.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Years eight years old.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
She was eight years old when she did this, and
she's like, you know, and I didn't even have to
watch them die they were already dead, So imagining like
watching your person die, being beaten, being forced to watch
them and die, all these things, I would want to
go after them as well, implying that yes, I will
go with you, or I'll turn around with you. But
I understand why you're doing this. I would do it too.
(08:54):
So they're like, all right, let's keep going. And as
they keep going, they go in to this building. At
the building, they see a mural that says feel her Love,
and then you see dead bodies all riddled with bullets
and below with the graffiti fill this. Yeah, really cruel,
and you know they are like like kind of like
(09:16):
having a moment. And then as they walk they're like, oh,
it's really quiet. It's weirdly quiet. What's going on? Famous
last words? As they turn around and see as stalker
and this is where Natalie's like, oh, yeah, these are
the smart ones. They do these things. There's only one
of these, so we can flank them and we'll do
it this way. Has a plan. But then they turn
around and they're like, there's two, there's three, there's four,
(09:37):
there's five. Oh. So Ellie comes up with a new plan.
Sees like a sealed off, secured area that Ena can
go into. She tells her to go in there. She's like,
I can get bitten. I won't die from being bitten.
Of course, she get be ripped apart, because we definitely
see bodies just being torn in half. So you know,
that's that's not a thing you can survive. This is
a whole different type of show. Who knows, but I
(09:59):
do know. I'm just kidding. But so Dina runs and
it gets in there and we have a whole scene
of them going back and forth. I'm like, oh my god,
these things are trying to kill them all and she's
getting bitten and screaming, and all of a sudden we
see a shadow we figure Cafter shoots one of the
infected and it comes through and you don't know who
Quiet is, and you know, Ellie has a moment of
(10:21):
like is that maybe? And then it turns out to
me Jesse. Jesse comes to the hero and grabs them
and runs them out, and like, Ellie's like, I had
a handle and he's like, oh really, oh really, And
then she's trying to have all this conversation. He's like,
do you really think I want to talk to you?
Right now, very real, very real Dina even at one
(10:42):
point she wasn't bitten. She wasn't bitten because there was
that whole moment. So I think that's very significant that
Dena's also trying to help her out. She's like, I
saw her, I saw her. She was never beaten. So
they run and then oh boylets are flying at them
because they've made too much noise in that building, and
wolves are coming and they're like, where do we go?
And they run into the woods and they're like, Jesse's like,
(11:02):
they're not going to come in here, and they kind
of sit there and then their correct wolf is like,
we'll stay here. If you shoot see them, come out,
shoot them. Blah blah blah. It turns out that Jesse
tells them that he and Tommy have come to get them.
They came after them the day after they snuck out,
the day after they had Ellie and Dina had left
to come and find them. They split ways to try
(11:23):
to best find their location. Jesse was able to find
the theater and saw the map, so I was able
to figure out where they were. So all this is
while Jesse is very furious.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He is very.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Furious in this moment, and at this time we see
the Seraphites come out having a ritual, and we see
them taking a wolf a soldier and disemboweling and hanging
them and saying that this is for the greater good,
releasing you really disgusting and really kind of chriss and
you hear because I did not watch. I had to
(11:56):
close my eyes to the point so everybody else saw
no good. At that point, we hear the whistles because
Ellie and then we're like trying to figure out what
to do. They're still kind of arguing, trying to figure
out how to get out, and that's when we hear
the whistle and an arrow comes and gets Dina in
the leg. Oh no, So Ellie tells Jesse to take
(12:20):
Dina and go to the theater. She would go distract
them and take them a different way. So they split
and all these things happen, and we see Ellie hiding
in the trunk. We assume I don't know because we
don't see Dina or Jesse. After this, we see only
Ellie so across her fingers. At that point, she realizes
(12:40):
they finally left, and as she comes out and she's
trying to get to back to the theater. She spots
the hospital and she has a moment. You see this
moment of like what do I do? I need to
go to them? Hell no, no, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To the hospital.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So she runs to go to the hospital to find Nora.
She makes her way in. At that point, we see
Noura doing all the things cleaning, like I believe, like
clothing and tools, and she's kind of just having her
own moment, and you turn and she Ellie goes put
that down, and it's that moment like do you remember me?
(13:15):
So we have a standoff between Ellie and Nora and
Norah there doesn't say much and I was like, yeah, yeah,
you remember me, you remember my face? I told you
it was going to find you and kill you. And
then Norah's kind of like trying to distract her. She's like,
I'm sorry you had to see that. That was one
of the worst things that I have to see and
no one should ever have to see that. Do you
ever think about the screams? I dream about his screams
(13:37):
all the time. It's one of the worst things I've
ever heard. And then she ends that with but that
she got what he deserved and that of course, sends
Ellie off, and it's at that point Nora throws some
chemicals in her face and runs, and we have a
whole chase and Norah's screaming about intruder, intruder, and they're
going different ways. People are like doing all the things,
(13:59):
and then all the in Nora's corner, she's like, she
realizes that she can go to the elevator shaft and
looks at the elevator, jumps into it as the elevator
goes down, and then Ellie follows, and uh oh, Nora
goes into B two what we talked about at first
that had been sealed off completely because of whatever's in
(14:20):
the air. Ellie comes back down as well, and he's
trying to figure out what all things and we see
a terrific sight. All of my anxieties around, like spots
and polka dots and diseases came out and I'm like,
I can't watch this. I get this is a nightmare.
I started itching and failing really broke. Anyway, all that
(14:40):
happens and Ellie turns on the light is all red
and this is like for me, I was like, oh,
she really looks like the character from the game, Ellie,
she did a beautiful job. And she comes round and
we see Nora at the end of a hallway, coughing,
and she's like, you've you killed us both? Are you happy?
We're both dead? And Elly goes, are we are?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
We are? We both?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And then and then that's when it clicks with Nora.
And Nora's like, oh my god, it's you. You're the
one they're talking about. You're immune. You're the girl who's immune.
And she said, Joe, do you not know what Joel
has did? Do you not know what he did? He
killed everybody at that hospital, including the only person alive
who could turn you into a cure, And that goes
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She's like going back and forth, and this is the
entire time. Ellie's like, where is Abby? Where is Abby?
Tell me where Abby is? Nora's refusing, Nora's refusing, And
when she makes that line, Joel killed everyone and she says,
Ellie says, I know, grabs a pipe and starts hammering
(15:45):
on Nora. End of that shot. But then we come
back to an aftershot where it's like a beautiful scenery
with Ellie asleep, been a knock on the door, and
she's like, come in all happy and okay and Joel, hey, kiddo, insing.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That was excellent.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I want to watch it again so badly.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You're gonna what do you want to You're gonna, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Know, but I want to do it right now, like
pause recording. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, this is a really intense episode and weirdly and
I'm not you're gonna talk about this. There was a
lot more criticism to this episode, saying that it's taking
too long. I know, I'm so because I was like, no,
but this was the most intense, like on point. Maybe
I don't know. Anyway, what are your thoughts, Annie's your.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, okay, I have many a thought Yeah, okay. First
of all, yes, this episode is called feel Her Love,
which I do think is relevant in many ways, the
obvious one being the Saraphites worship this prophet who we
do not know much about at this point other than
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they believe she predicted the pandemic, and.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So I wonder if the profit is based off the
woman who the doctor they brought in. I don't know why.
That just hit me, well, like that would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It could be you.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Know that cold opening where she was the one the
first one to like, really, yeah, I guess experiment research
and she was like and she ran yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I mean it could be. Uh, you don't really find
out too much about her. I don't think we're going
to find out much about her in the show, to
be honest. But in the game, you basically find out
about her from so you can find notes in artifacts,
like all the newspapers and things like that while you're playing,
and so you can find out about her from that.
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But also she gets like sometimes you'll find places where
people have left wishes or prayers to her, and you
can learn about her kind of through that. So we've
got her. She died, and she did meet Isaac in
the game. They were a quainted so that's one obvious
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feel her love. But then I feel like it's also
kind of we've got Ellie and Dina going with their
relationship but also being open about how violent their past
has been and maybe what they want is. And then
we've got Ellie at the end having this real brutal,
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brutal moment, so that is what it's called. And we
are seeing more of the Seraphyite Wolf battle. So that
graffiti that you describe Samantha that said fill her love,
and then underneath it said feel this. That's where they
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found all the bodies of a bunch of seraphytes underneath,
and that's when Ellie was like, what am I thinking?
We should turn around? Which, by the way, she never
had that moment in the game. But also in the game,
do you know, is mostly sidelined by morning sits, So
she wasn't really there for that part. She was the
(19:34):
person like on your radio and doing the map stuff.
She did all that, but she wasn't with you for
what This would be day two in Seattle, which is
the longest day. So yeah, I disagree with those people
who say it's moving too quick. But anyway, the Seraphytes
believe that the infected are like God punishment for humanity
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for whatever they did. They askew modern technology because of this,
and they believe that in doing that disemboweling ceremony ritual
that they were doing that they were removing sin and
in its act of mercy, which by the way, so
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I've mentioned before, they really gas lit a bunch of
people with the trailers of the game. One came out
and it was basically Ellie playing guitar and there's a
bunch of dead bodies around her, and then Joel comes
into the door and it's like, what are you doing, kiddo,
but there's all this white light. Everybody was like, oh,
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Joel dies. And so then they really reversed, and then
they put Jesse in the place of Joel and made
us think whatever. But one trailer they released was this
entire scene where you see for the first time the
seraphytes disemboweling somebody. And then well, I can't say, but
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we at this point a bunch of speculation rang out
about this group, and a lot of people we included
thought Abby was Ellie's mom and she'd gotten involved in
this cult. So it's just interesting to me to look
(21:30):
at it now and be like, no, that was we
were way off. We were way off of that one. Also,
the whistles, so this part of the game is really,
really scary. It's one of the scariest parts of the
game to me because basically Ellie's just had a horrible time.
You go through the convention Center, which I'm not sure
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if that's what they were saying that long building they
cut through us, but the Seattle Convention Center and you
run into clickers and stalkers, and eventually you get shoved
out a window and then you fall into the river
and you end up in the sewer system. It's a
whole thing. It's a whole thing. But you come up
and you're at this park and it seems cool, seems good.
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You're just moving along and then you hear this whistle
and then you get shot with an arrow Ellie and
it's out of nowhere, and that's when they introduce the
function where you have to if you don't break out
the arrow and take care of it, it will kill you. Yeah,
So that was the difference between the game and show.
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Ellie gets shot, but if you want, no one wants to.
But if you do, somebody has deciphered the whistles that
the serifies do and so you can look it up
and it's actually helpful when you're playing the game because
you can tell, oh, they know I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I got it level study to not get shot.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yes, Well, the thing is in the show, Ellie doesn't
kill anybody. She hides in that tree trunk. But in
the game it's very very hard not to kill anybody
because they have this whistle system. So like, if you
get seen, they start whistling, they all know you're there,
and they all converge on you. It's a very difficult
(23:23):
part of the game. I was watching an Easter Egg
video which shout out to everybody who makes those within
like five hours of the episode coming out. But they
were saying like that is probably the most one of
the most difficult things for newcomer to this kind of
genre is that section, because if they hear you you've
(23:48):
done four, you've done messed up. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not good at all, Samantha. But also this is
They kind of touched on this more in the when
they're interviewing the creators afterwards after the show. But this
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is sort of an example of what they were talking
about in the last episode with the extremism and the
radicalization and this sort of well, you killed this many people,
so I'm going to kill this many people. This feel
her love feel this. It's a very violent reciprocal thing
(24:32):
that is happening that we're seeing, and it's also celebrating violence.
And I thought this was interesting because I mentioned in
the last episode we did I cry a lot when
I play these. I also don't like revenge stories that
(24:54):
much and that might be giving you pause and maybe
that's a spoiler enough. But so this scene in the
game where Ellie kills Nouram, I cry almost every time
I play it. It is miserable you have to do it,
and it makes you like press the button to do
it over and over and over. It's horrible. And almost
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everyone I know who played the game had to stop
at that point and like, go outside, Arla, do something else.
And so this is really interesting to me because they've
seen a lot of reactions to the show and they're like, yeah,
get her very I'm curious. I'm curious what it will be.
(25:39):
But that kind of celebrating violence is sort of the
reason I don't like a lot of revenge stuff. It
just makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I'm wondering if that's I mean, honestly, I think
that's the main point part, Like people are like, this
doesn't hit nearly as well as the game, Like they're
trying their best, but it never will because you're watching
it as a show and not playing it as the player, right,
which is kind of that mention.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, for sure, and I think that, I mean, I
think it's it was still very upseting, but it's just
it is different when you're playing it and you have
to be like, I don't want to do this. I
don't want to do this anymore. That was That was
a miserable. That was Yeah, I had to stop. I
(26:30):
had to stop, and I hate stopping video games. I
want to know how the story goes. But also, yes,
this is the thing that I'm honestly not entirely sure
why people are so into. But the introduction of spores.
So we do get the spores in this episode. They
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were in the game. I don't they didn't include them
in the show. I believe for two main reasons. Masks
over actors face all the time is not the most
cinematic thing. But also, I think I talked about this
in the first season. In the game, it's kind of
clear this is a spor area and this is not
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a spore area. But if you kind of extrapolate out
from that, why how do I know that, Like it
could be in the air right now. So I think
that's one reason they haven't introduced them yet. I do
think that's also a reason they were like, it is
in this area, right it hasn't come out through the events.
(27:35):
This is where it is. But we do get that
really heartbreaking scene which I thought was great of han
Rahn kind of interrogating Eliza. I believe her name was
about this, and we don't know as the viewer until
the end that Leon is her son, and so that
(27:55):
was a really good review. But you could tell and
Eliza mentioned Leon, hand Rahann became much more like, oh, okay,
so this wasn't a treason.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
This thing.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This was a real bad thing that just happened. Very serious.
But this is another area where you're kind of going
back to the beginning because this hospital was ground zero
for Seattle and for a lot of places. So when
you explore this hospital, you can find a lot of
(28:32):
notes about, oh, we don't know what to do. No
one's telling us anything from doctors, nurses, patients, all that stuff.
And then so many people were dying. They put them
in the basement and they didn't know it was really contagious,
so they didn't know. But then they piled them on
top of each other and they sort of became this mass.
(28:55):
But this like, we're going back to the beginning, and
the episode does that too, because you go back to
that same space where you started. But yeah, and you
can tell. It's horrifying because you don't really have this
in the game, but having the people who are breathing
out the spores and who are just sort of being
(29:16):
used to breathe out the spores. One of them is Leon,
but one of them is somebody in scrubs who's presumably
been there since at break day. That's hm, that's horrible.
That's horrible. It's also clearly a very quick infection because
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when Eliza's telling story, she says, you know, five minutes
had passed between Leon saying he was okay to oh no,
seal it. Oh. So that's scary. Also, this made me
think of one of the greatest friend actions you've ever
done for me, Samantha, when we went to the Hunted
(30:01):
the Last of Us Haunted House in La they had spores.
They had like a little you would walk in a
room and you could see the sports and it was
really cool. It was a really cool effect. But also
our friend Marissa, she one time we were playing this
game and she got an idea and if you know Marissa,
(30:24):
let me tell you, when she gets an idea, it
is there. And she wanted to do a Haunted house
of this part the hospital. She was like, this is it.
Here's how we're.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Going to do. I have a plan, this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh And we kept like kind of moving on and
then she would suddenly be like, but we could also
do it was great, It was great. But also, this
is what Ellie sees in the basement is a very
advanced stage of infection. And we've seen some of those stages.
(31:01):
You've got your runners, you got your Stockers, the smart one,
you got air bloater. This is a different thing. They do.
The infected adapt based on environment. So if you're near water,
they look and act differently, if you're near snow, they
look and act differently. I hate to do it, but
I got to do it. They're really teasing this Ratking thing.
(31:23):
So when Ellie turns on the power this is a
horrible idea in the game. You turn on that generator,
they all be coming.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's so low, That's what I'm saying this, Why would
you do this?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, but I've mentioned in the game you can hear
the rat King if you know what you're listening for.
There is something that sounds like it. They do have
the same soundscaping, but I don't I think it's a
reach to say it's actually the rat King, but we
(31:59):
must we must acknowledge B one, B two, what's in
B three. Yeah, this is not the end of the
hospital for sure. This also, okay, brings us to Dina's pregnancy.
(32:26):
Like I said, she's handling it way better than she
did in the game. She was like so sick with
morning sickness all of the time. But we get this
story of her first kill in response to Ellie being like,
I shouldn't have brought you here when I was thinking
she has a story like that in the game that
she mentions in passing and it's after So in the game,
(32:51):
Tommy went first and then Ellie and Dina follow after
Tommy and they find it's in that but hotel that
you stated that I didn't get to go to Hotels Wind.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It was like a three day later where I was like, yeah,
we just went to say that this really nice and
sell You're like what.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I was like, what it's like the only location on
my last one was two map I didn't go to
and so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We did it vicariously for you too.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But anyway, you go in there and you find these
bodies who have been tortured in the way that you
know Joel does it from the first game, and Ellie's like, oh,
it was Tommy and this is how it works. And
later she says to Tina, I hope you're not judging
Tommy too harshly for this, and Dina says, no, if
(33:49):
I had the people who killed my sister tied to
a chair and would have done worse. So that's kind
of the extent of what she says, but it is
like another the reminder of the whole, like trauma on
top of trauma, because she says like, it doesn't matter
(34:09):
if if my family had done something something to them first,
would I have cared? No, But then you're creating that
trauma for someone else, so it just keep keeps going.
But she did give Ellie the choice where she was like,
I will go back if you want. I'll keep going
(34:29):
if you want, which I thought was interesting because so
far she has been much more into the let's avenged
ol thing than she is in the game. But she
did she was like, if I die, that's on me.
Take that out of the equation. Do you want to
keep going? I will go And I love that scene.
(34:50):
Bella Ramsay did so great in that scene because Ellie
is like, yeah, I do, let's keep going. But this
is this is where so many of the like moral
quandaries and arguments of the last one was coming, because
you're like, well, Abby saw this thing, and she did this,
(35:10):
and Ellie wasn't supposed to be there, but they did
do it even though Ellie was there, Like you just
get stuck in the cycle of dns. But Dina does
say I would have hunted him down forever, which I'm
just gonna say is very ominous. Also, yes, Dina is
(35:31):
your map person. She is the best. They've really leaned
into this whole dynamic of Dina being the smart one
and Ellie being the barn and she is I mean
in a game, she is. She's the one that's making
the plays and like, no, we shouldn't do this, but
they've really leaned into it. In the show. They also
have a moment they don't have in the game where
(35:53):
Dina says, you know, you're kind of crazy, but that's
why I love you, and Ellie's like, oh love me,
which is very sweet, very see once again feel her love,
but also once again fear of ending up alone, which
is Ellie's biggest fear, and I think this is kind
of why she is going back and forth about Dina
(36:21):
and pretty much sacrificing herself. At that scene with the Stalkers,
she was like, yeah, if one of us can live,
I want you to live. So we have that, then, yes,
we do have the theater. The theater, as we've said,
is like your bass. It's really visually interesting. I love it.
(36:42):
And Ellie plays the song the song which is Future
Days by Pearl Jam, and by the way, Pearl Jam
not only loves this, has given their full signature on it,
they are releasing a Last of Us album.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
They did a pre release immediately after this episode. Like
I saw that from someone who was like a giant
fan of Pearl Jam, was like, what the hell, why
would you exploit this?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I just bought it. I'm like, you do it, man.
I love it. And the song at the end of
the credits is present sense. It's Pearl Jim song. Yeah yeah,
but anyway, the song in question, future Days I'd Surely
Lose Myself, is the song they used in the main
(37:34):
trailer for the second season, but it is a song
that is like the heart of a lot of the game.
It is a through line throughout. As we've said, Ellie
clearly has this connection to music. A part of her
connects to it because of Joel, and Joel taught her
(37:57):
how to play the guitar and he taught her this.
And when she is singing it, she can't finish it, like,
can't even get through the first line. And if you
haven't heard this song, she says, basically, if I ever
were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself. So she
(38:18):
tries to sing that and then she can't. Oh that song.
I don't think that song will ever. There's a lot
of her Oh God, yes, I think we Then we
have the maybe not that's different question, different quote.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, we've seen things we've seen. Then Nora say, we
let you survive.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Uh, she says, we let you live, we let you live.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, so we've got something that says we let you live,
not not dot Yeah, but not that one.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, it gets me. I remember we were in Seattle
when that trailer came out and I texted you and
your partner and I was just like the sad crying
face and your partner was like it was the song,
wasn't it? And I was like, Yes, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be throughout and I do love it. Anyway,
(39:24):
we also get the introduction the reintroduction of Jesse and Tommy.
As mentioned, Tommy and the game is already causing chaos,
and here it's implied Jesse. It's implied. It's said Jesse
and Tommy split up and they're gonna meet Tommy in
(39:45):
the morning and then go back to Jackson, to which
Ellie is like, oh what, no thanks, And then Dina
interestingly is like Ellie because I think she realized they
almost died right there. They've bitten off more than they
can chew and they can't do this. But Ellie is
(40:05):
like nope. But Jesse does come back, kind of similarly
in the games. It's actually really cool scene. They couldn't
have done it in the show, but it was a
really cool like the car is going out of control
and you're fighting, and anyway, I am very happy he
(40:29):
showed up. And they also did the thing I mentioned,
which is in the trailers or they were gaslighting all
of us, or they made you think that Joel survived
and it was Jesse at that point where Ellie thinks
she's hurt and she's kind of not seeing straight and
she sees Jesse she thinks it's Joel for a minute,
(40:54):
and that I think is a throwback too. Yeah, we
remember what we did. You we haven't forgotten. I know
you haven't, but I do, like I don't know, Like
I said, I just really like the dynamic between Jesse, Dina,
(41:14):
and Ellie. I think it's really interesting. I like that
there's no real enemy, even if they get mad at
each other, and in here, I really think it's interesting
that Ellie is jealous that Jesse protected Dina where Ellie couldn't,
and he's mad because he's like, this could have been
completely prevented. This was so ridiculous. And as we mentioned,
(41:35):
we don't know how he voted in that council mode,
but we suspect he said no. So it's just a
really interesting dynamic that I enjoy. This is also where
you kind of as a player in the game. You
start getting through the walkie talkie, you start hearing rumors
(41:56):
of an intruder and outsider who you presume to be
yourself Ellie, but then is Tommy and Jesse and you,
but there's like all this stuff. You're the chattery you're
hearing on the radio and they're freaking out. But okay,
this brings us to Nora's death. The big thing of
(42:17):
this episode. As I said, this was a devastating This
was devastating in the game, everybody, I know how to
pause it and stop. And you get the scene where
you see Ellie choosing this revenge on Nora and Abby
(42:39):
over Dina and Jesse because she doesn't know Dina and
Jesse are safe. We don't know, we don't know. She
just saw the hospital thought about it. It was like,
I'm going, I'm gonna get Nora, and they have that
really intense conversation which is pretty much lined for line
(43:03):
and have the chase is pretty much just like the game.
And I had to use your partner a lot because
he dies at places I assume you could never die,
but I did diet this part and I didn't know
you could, so I'll give him that. Basically, if you
don't follow her quickly enough, she's throwing a lot of
like roadblocks at you, you lose. It's not necessarily you die,
(43:27):
it's just like you up. So that's the end of that, right,
But it's I think one of the reasons. It's so painful,
is what Nora said was awful. It was like really terrible,
and you chase her and you're just filled with this
(43:48):
righteous rage and then you find her and you're standing
over her in this red light and you have this
steel pipe that looks like a golf club purposely, and
it's this character that you played when she was like
a child and she was, you know, making these puns
(44:08):
and still very dangerous but relatively innocent for this world.
And to see this like transformation just horrible. There's a
there's a great like gift you can find of the
way her face transforms and that like rage. And then
(44:32):
it's just focused on her face, on Ellie's face, and
you just see how far she's willing to go, and
you just have to keep swinging, and she does. Ellie
goes for the legs like they did. But Joel, which
(44:54):
is pretty it's it's awful. It's awful. It's especially awful
because when you think about it, Norah. Norah at this
point is the only one that knows Ellie was immune.
She's the only one that even believed it might be possible.
(45:17):
So she dies knowing more of the gravity of Joel's
actions than the rest than the rest do, and I
do think it's interesting. One of the things I like
about the second game is that Ellie kind of leans
(45:38):
into her superpower being immune. They're definitely leaning into it
more in the show because she's got bitten so many times,
but like in the game, it is cool to kind
of see her be like, bite me, go ahead. But
they're really really leaning leaning into it here, and to
(46:00):
have Nora have that realization of like, oh wow, this
could have been what could have been? Oh my gosh,
Oh my gosh, and just the you know, at this point,
probably nobody's gonna even try anymore. There are no more fireflies,
(46:22):
there's there's so it's just really painful. It's like such
a painful thing. And like I said, I was she
said that, I was like, I'll get her, but then
it got me to this point it was like, do
you really want to do it? I was like, no,
but I have to. And it's just yep. And also
(46:56):
we get something information that we've all been wondering about,
which is Ellie knew what Joel did. I've rered Bella
Ramsay say that Ellie knew the first the first lie
(47:16):
but was willing to let it go because of the
fear of being alone. And then it just you know,
built up. But this is the point in the game
where you find out, oh, it was fireflies, I see.
But she says, you know, very like I don't care.
I know, she's not showing any signs of empathy, and
(47:41):
it just feels to me, again, the acting's fantastic, but
it feels to me like she's reliving that trauma in
her head. She's seeing Joel die in her head, and
she's re enacting it in what she thinks will be
something that will make her feel better, which sounds a
little bit like happy being kind of stuck in that
(48:04):
in that trauma. There are several parallels we see in
this episode between Joel and Ellie. Once somebody pointed out
to me the other day that I was like, oh, yeah,
you're right. It's one of those kind of arrogance of
I see how many wolves there are, I don't care,
I'll take them on. And then Joel kind of being like,
(48:25):
wait a minute, a whole hospital full of fireflies going in,
so we kind of got that, and then the whole
the motif of the basement, the red lighting the monster
and Ellie having that really dark revenge moment in that scene.
(48:48):
I think it's pretty telling if you think about the
if you watch the coming up next things like I do.
At the end of that, Joel says, remember what I
taught you, and I it feels kind of like, maybe
not the things you wish she would have remembered, but
she does remember the thing she taught you. But yeah,
(49:12):
they her and Dina almost died for this revenge. And
as as I say in every episode we do of this,
it's the cost. What are you willing to pay? And
so I think it's interesting that I both think it's
(49:32):
like giving Dina agency, but it's interesting that Ellie is
willing to lose Dina, even though it was Dina being like,
I'll do what you want to do. I'm ready. But
I do think that's interesting. And Okay, I feel like
I've addressed most of these, but the game differences morning
(49:53):
sickness with Dina, that's a big one, the arrow with Ellie,
Jesse's arrival, and then the whole Tommy situation on which
I'm very curious, yeah, very curious about random Summer, the horse.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I Know, Where's you know what? I'd rather just not
remember the horse. Well.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I feel like the official Last of Us page released
like a video about it, and it was just the
horse chilling so.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Good in the area, just hanging out with the records.
All good.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yes, I did want to briefly mention I know probably
a lot of you have seen it. There's been a
lot of review bombing of this show. I'm not surprised.
Disappointed as always, but I'm not at all surprised the game.
When Joel died in the game, it's often called the
death that broke the Internet. It was bad, it was
(50:49):
real bad. I don't like it, but I'm just not
I don't know, I'm not surprised by it. I also
read something recently that said a lot of and you
were it's strange because it's kind of like, what is
this about? But like a lot of the things in
(51:10):
our lives entertainment wise that feel very one sided are
like eighty percent bots, which sucks because I was telling
you there's a whole thing about rotten tomatoes and can't
trust that anymore. That's for a different episode, but I
did I have found it interesting. I call it the
(51:31):
unholy matrimony of gamer Gate. Ros and pedro fangirls because
Pedro fangirls are there. You got up in there, didn't Oh? Well, yeah,
I don't know how serious it is. I've read a
couple things about it, and I saw again I can't
get any layout of the land of eighty percent of
its bots, but I do know that some of that
(51:54):
does exist. Some of it I think is jokingly. But anyway,
that segues into the next thing. Naughty Dog, which is
the company behind the Last of Us, has started this
new thing where they boot camp that's what they call it,
boot camping new actors because they know this kind of
(52:20):
backlash and hatred exists. I've always wondered about this because sometimes,
you know, like they had with Abby, they had to
be like this is going to happen, and it's been
a big conversation about protecting actors who play these characters
or what have you, and how a lot of studios
(52:42):
haven't been great at it. So I don't know. I mean,
it's one of those things where I've always been curious
about that. But it does suck that has to be
a thing at all, Yeah, But if it has to
be a thing at all, I would prefer they're at
least trying to do something about it. Right. Oh good
(53:05):
h Anyway, the next episode looks like we're getting the
flashbacks that we mentioned, right, which is different than the
game where they came kind of sporadically. I think you're
going to put them in one episode. So if you've
been missing Pedro Pascal, unless they're gaslighting us once again
(53:28):
once again, then the next episode, I'm excited. I'm excited.
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Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stuff
I Never told you, production by Heart Radio, and welcome
to another episode of our seven part mini series on
the last of Us Season two.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Only two more left, everybody after this one? Oh? I know?
So this is follow up to our season one reactions
that we did. And the way that this works is
that Samantha and I watched the episode together when it
comes out on Sunday, and then we record this the
following week, and then the episode comes out the Saturday
(00:50):
before the previous episode, So spoilers the previous the next episode,
so spoilers for what has come out in season two already,
season one, first game and parts of the second game,
although I'm trying to avoid plot points, but it's getting
difficult so that I am ready to burst at the seams.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Also, the timing is changing, like the way that they
kind of look and what we know of it, and
like but we don't know of it, and I say
we being new and me asking questions.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yes, but it's also getting too. It's getting to the
finale that I have. I'm just I want to talk
about all of it, so I want it all to
be out already, So we can talk about it, but
we can't. So today we're talking about the most recent episode,
which at this point is episode five. Content orning I
(01:47):
suppose for violence. It's pretty violent show and game. But yeah, yeah,
that's what we're doing. We're not doing sex in the
City reactions or fiction episodes during this time because that's
more work on Christina. But as mentioned, yeah, there's only
(02:09):
seven episodes in this only two more. I do want
to put in here at this point because I do
think I know what's gonna happen in the finale. Please remember,
there's a season three.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
This is a season everybody's so angry anyway, So I know.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Well, we all knew what was going to happen.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
We all knew. We all people who've watched the game
played the game.
Speaker 2 (02:36):
Yeah, and they did call it their Empire strikes Back season, which,
if you remember the Empire Strikes Back, it was not
popular when it first came out. Was people were so mad. So, uh,
you know, give it time, give it time, rewatch when
it all comes out, I promise you the rewatch is
gonna be worth it. Okay, okay, m So the way
(02:59):
that these work is Samantha gives a recap, which if
you somehow missed all of this, one of the reasons
we're doing it is this is like my favorite game,
and I've made Samantha watch me play it more than once.
I am convinced more than ever. I actually could make
some money playing it because a lot of people want
(03:20):
to see the game versus the show.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Right, Well, that's the thing. I just actually read an
article about how people are feeling a little not jilted necessarily,
but like they the difference is so different, like so
much that people were like, but no, it's better when
you watch it, and that they said that the hour
they tallied that most people who are gamers have spent
more time watching the game people playing the game than
(03:45):
playing the actual game. Not necessarily for you, but no
other people's any I'm pretty good, good, but also you
are that person that people watch.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Yes, and I do pick up all the notes and
all of this stuff. Well, anyway, we'll we'll talk about
that bore in a second. So saman think it's the
recap and then yeah, I go through my thoughts.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
Yes, yeah, so let's do this recap.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
Right.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
We are on episode five and we open up to
seeing once again Henry hann Alana Ubach. She is a
legend in her own and we see a door, everybody
staring at this door. She walks away into an interrogation
(04:28):
room and we see a wolf officer WLF. And the
first question essentially is why did you leave your soldiers
to die or why did you kill your soldiers? Implications
that she had to kill soldiers, and it goes into
this story about them trying to get into a hospital
to take the hospital. Essentially, hospitals are really important right now,
(04:51):
I'm assuming, and she talks about how they were clearing it.
It was really empty. It was surprisingly empty. They were
thinking either someone like maybe the seraphi or something was there,
so they were trying to clear it. And what they
discover is that it is so dead like that not
even rats. There's no noise. So that's that clearing uh,
people are doing floor by floor. She gets a call
(05:13):
from Leon. She just says Leon, who she sent to
B two, basement two, and she hears him and his
reaction was like it sounded like he couldn't breathe, she says,
And he says, something's down here. Don't come down here.
I can't breathe. And in this point they are like, okay,
(05:34):
there's something in the air. There's do they actually say
the word spores in this part.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
He doesn't say spores, but he says it's in the air.
Speaker 3 (05:42):
Seala's in, Yes, it's in the air, and Cela's in
And so she makes a difficult choice of doing so,
and you could tell she's really broken up about it
the officer, and then as we go back to Hanrahan,
she essentially says, we're gonna call We're gonna consider this handled.
You did what you had to do. You saved everybody,
(06:02):
Sorry for the loss of your son, essentially. So it
turns out it was her son that she sailed in.
And then we cut two before we figure out what
really is happening, what is happening, what is in the air,
to Dina and Ellie at the theater which Annie has
gone to dum and Dina's doing some things, ruined, some
(06:23):
things out, you know, And it turns out she tries
to tryangulate the location of Wolfe, specifically Nora, who they
have already said that she was at the hospital, the
aforementioned hospital, and she's trying to try to angulate her
location and make a plan. She's got maps, she got
all these things. Ellie, who as inferred as not the
(06:44):
mostudious of types, I was like, you know, I can help,
and she's like, oh really, well the well can you
do these things? She's like, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna
go and do them things. But she did turn the
lights on for the theater. She found I'm a generator,
so I thought that's very loud, but hey, you do
you so moving on, so she goes to explore and
look around. Uh, finds the stage with a somewhat good
(07:06):
guitar and gets all the stages. She starts playing some
notes in which Annie starts screaming, oh no, oh no, yeah,
and there's tears to be had. Turns out to be
a little bit of the Pearl Jam song that obviously
brings up some things in Ellie. Because she can't get
through it, she has to put it back down. We
move on where Dinas has founder. Essentially, I got good news,
(07:31):
you know, I figured out where she was. However, we're
gonna have to go through this area, this building which
seems to be empty but they're assuming has infected. So
we can do this reckless thing, or we don't have
to or whatever whatnot. And as they're preparing to go,
they're like, Ellie's like, yes, we're gonna go, let's do this.
(07:52):
They get a plan together because Ellie, you know, it's
a little bit reckless as she intends, but Dina's got
some plans. She's got we gotta do this, we gotta
do that, We're going to do this. So they get
it all that way. But then as I go, Ellie realizes,
oh my god, oh my god, I've brought you in here.
You're pregnant. I don't know if we should do this.
We can turn around. And at this point is when
Dina shares her story about her family and how she
(08:14):
had a sister and her mother and that she really
wanted to go outside and play. She want to do
these things, and one thing she did, but when she returned,
her mom and her sister were dead. The raider was
still there and there she shot him, and she would
do it again. Essentially, she's like, yep, I don't regret that.
As well as being like eight, she said that, she
said she was eight.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Years eight years old.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
She was eight years old when she did this, and
she's like, you know, and I didn't even have to
watch them die they were already dead, So imagining like
watching your person die, being beaten, being forced to watch
them and die, all these things, I would want to
go after them as well, implying that yes, I will
go with you, or I'll turn around with you. But
I understand why you're doing this. I would do it too.
(08:54):
So they're like, all right, let's keep going. And as
they keep going, they go in to this building. At
the building, they see a mural that says feel her Love,
and then you see dead bodies all riddled with bullets
and below with the graffiti fill this. Yeah, really cruel,
and you know they are like like kind of like
(09:16):
having a moment. And then as they walk they're like, oh,
it's really quiet. It's weirdly quiet. What's going on? Famous
last words? As they turn around and see as stalker
and this is where Natalie's like, oh, yeah, these are
the smart ones. They do these things. There's only one
of these, so we can flank them and we'll do
it this way. Has a plan. But then they turn
around and they're like, there's two, there's three, there's four,
(09:37):
there's five. Oh. So Ellie comes up with a new plan.
Sees like a sealed off, secured area that Ena can
go into. She tells her to go in there. She's like,
I can get bitten. I won't die from being bitten.
Of course, she get be ripped apart, because we definitely
see bodies just being torn in half. So you know,
that's that's not a thing you can survive. This is
a whole different type of show. Who knows, but I
(09:59):
do know. I'm just kidding. But so Dina runs and
it gets in there and we have a whole scene
of them going back and forth. I'm like, oh my god,
these things are trying to kill them all and she's
getting bitten and screaming, and all of a sudden we
see a shadow we figure Cafter shoots one of the
infected and it comes through and you don't know who
Quiet is, and you know, Ellie has a moment of
(10:21):
like is that maybe? And then it turns out to
me Jesse. Jesse comes to the hero and grabs them
and runs them out, and like, Ellie's like, I had
a handle and he's like, oh really, oh really, And
then she's trying to have all this conversation. He's like,
do you really think I want to talk to you?
Right now, very real, very real Dina even at one
(10:42):
point she wasn't bitten. She wasn't bitten because there was
that whole moment. So I think that's very significant that
Dena's also trying to help her out. She's like, I
saw her, I saw her. She was never beaten. So
they run and then oh boylets are flying at them
because they've made too much noise in that building, and
wolves are coming and they're like, where do we go?
And they run into the woods and they're like, Jesse's like,
(11:02):
they're not going to come in here, and they kind
of sit there and then their correct wolf is like,
we'll stay here. If you shoot see them, come out,
shoot them. Blah blah blah. It turns out that Jesse
tells them that he and Tommy have come to get them.
They came after them the day after they snuck out,
the day after they had Ellie and Dina had left
to come and find them. They split ways to try
(11:23):
to best find their location. Jesse was able to find
the theater and saw the map, so I was able
to figure out where they were. So all this is
while Jesse is very furious.
Speaker 2 (11:35):
He is very.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Furious in this moment, and at this time we see
the Seraphites come out having a ritual, and we see
them taking a wolf a soldier and disemboweling and hanging
them and saying that this is for the greater good,
releasing you really disgusting and really kind of chriss and
you hear because I did not watch. I had to
(11:56):
close my eyes to the point so everybody else saw
no good. At that point, we hear the whistles because
Ellie and then we're like trying to figure out what
to do. They're still kind of arguing, trying to figure
out how to get out, and that's when we hear
the whistle and an arrow comes and gets Dina in
the leg. Oh no, So Ellie tells Jesse to take
(12:20):
Dina and go to the theater. She would go distract
them and take them a different way. So they split
and all these things happen, and we see Ellie hiding
in the trunk. We assume I don't know because we
don't see Dina or Jesse. After this, we see only
Ellie so across her fingers. At that point, she realizes
(12:40):
they finally left, and as she comes out and she's
trying to get to back to the theater. She spots
the hospital and she has a moment. You see this
moment of like what do I do? I need to
go to them? Hell no, no, I'm going.
Speaker 2 (12:53):
To the hospital.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
So she runs to go to the hospital to find Nora.
She makes her way in. At that point, we see
Noura doing all the things cleaning, like I believe, like
clothing and tools, and she's kind of just having her
own moment, and you turn and she Ellie goes put
that down, and it's that moment like do you remember me?
(13:15):
So we have a standoff between Ellie and Nora and
Norah there doesn't say much and I was like, yeah, yeah,
you remember me, you remember my face? I told you
it was going to find you and kill you. And
then Norah's kind of like trying to distract her. She's like,
I'm sorry you had to see that. That was one
of the worst things that I have to see and
no one should ever have to see that. Do you
ever think about the screams? I dream about his screams
(13:37):
all the time. It's one of the worst things I've
ever heard. And then she ends that with but that
she got what he deserved and that of course, sends
Ellie off, and it's at that point Nora throws some
chemicals in her face and runs, and we have a
whole chase and Norah's screaming about intruder, intruder, and they're
going different ways. People are like doing all the things,
(13:59):
and then all the in Nora's corner, she's like, she
realizes that she can go to the elevator shaft and
looks at the elevator, jumps into it as the elevator
goes down, and then Ellie follows, and uh oh, Nora
goes into B two what we talked about at first
that had been sealed off completely because of whatever's in
(14:20):
the air. Ellie comes back down as well, and he's
trying to figure out what all things and we see
a terrific sight. All of my anxieties around, like spots
and polka dots and diseases came out and I'm like,
I can't watch this. I get this is a nightmare.
I started itching and failing really broke. Anyway, all that
(14:40):
happens and Ellie turns on the light is all red
and this is like for me, I was like, oh,
she really looks like the character from the game, Ellie,
she did a beautiful job. And she comes round and
we see Nora at the end of a hallway, coughing,
and she's like, you've you killed us both? Are you happy?
We're both dead? And Elly goes, are we are?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
We are? We both?
Speaker 3 (15:03):
And then and then that's when it clicks with Nora.
And Nora's like, oh my god, it's you. You're the
one they're talking about. You're immune. You're the girl who's immune.
And she said, Joe, do you not know what Joel
has did? Do you not know what he did? He
killed everybody at that hospital, including the only person alive
who could turn you into a cure, And that goes
(15:24):
She's like going back and forth, and this is the
entire time. Ellie's like, where is Abby? Where is Abby?
Tell me where Abby is? Nora's refusing, Nora's refusing, And
when she makes that line, Joel killed everyone and she says,
Ellie says, I know, grabs a pipe and starts hammering
(15:45):
on Nora. End of that shot. But then we come
back to an aftershot where it's like a beautiful scenery
with Ellie asleep, been a knock on the door, and
she's like, come in all happy and okay and Joel, hey, kiddo, insing.
Speaker 2 (16:16):
That was excellent.
Speaker 3 (16:17):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
I want to watch it again so badly.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
You're gonna what do you want to You're gonna, I.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Know, but I want to do it right now, like
pause recording. I loved it.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah, this is a really intense episode and weirdly and
I'm not you're gonna talk about this. There was a
lot more criticism to this episode, saying that it's taking
too long. I know, I'm so because I was like, no,
but this was the most intense, like on point. Maybe
I don't know. Anyway, what are your thoughts, Annie's your.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yes, okay, I have many a thought Yeah, okay. First
of all, yes, this episode is called feel Her Love,
which I do think is relevant in many ways, the
obvious one being the Saraphites worship this prophet who we
do not know much about at this point other than
(17:13):
they believe she predicted the pandemic, and.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
So I wonder if the profit is based off the
woman who the doctor they brought in. I don't know why.
That just hit me, well, like that would be interesting.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
It could be you.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Know that cold opening where she was the one the
first one to like, really, yeah, I guess experiment research
and she was like and she ran yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I mean it could be. Uh, you don't really find
out too much about her. I don't think we're going
to find out much about her in the show, to
be honest. But in the game, you basically find out
about her from so you can find notes in artifacts,
like all the newspapers and things like that while you're playing,
and so you can find out about her from that.
(18:05):
But also she gets like sometimes you'll find places where
people have left wishes or prayers to her, and you
can learn about her kind of through that. So we've
got her. She died, and she did meet Isaac in
the game. They were a quainted so that's one obvious
(18:25):
feel her love. But then I feel like it's also
kind of we've got Ellie and Dina going with their
relationship but also being open about how violent their past
has been and maybe what they want is. And then
we've got Ellie at the end having this real brutal,
(18:52):
brutal moment, so that is what it's called. And we
are seeing more of the Seraphyite Wolf battle. So that
graffiti that you describe Samantha that said fill her love,
and then underneath it said feel this. That's where they
(19:12):
found all the bodies of a bunch of seraphytes underneath,
and that's when Ellie was like, what am I thinking?
We should turn around? Which, by the way, she never
had that moment in the game. But also in the game,
do you know, is mostly sidelined by morning sits, So
she wasn't really there for that part. She was the
(19:34):
person like on your radio and doing the map stuff.
She did all that, but she wasn't with you for
what This would be day two in Seattle, which is
the longest day. So yeah, I disagree with those people
who say it's moving too quick. But anyway, the Seraphytes
believe that the infected are like God punishment for humanity
(20:02):
for whatever they did. They askew modern technology because of this,
and they believe that in doing that disemboweling ceremony ritual
that they were doing that they were removing sin and
in its act of mercy, which by the way, so
(20:26):
I've mentioned before, they really gas lit a bunch of
people with the trailers of the game. One came out
and it was basically Ellie playing guitar and there's a
bunch of dead bodies around her, and then Joel comes
into the door and it's like, what are you doing, kiddo,
but there's all this white light. Everybody was like, oh,
(20:47):
Joel dies. And so then they really reversed, and then
they put Jesse in the place of Joel and made
us think whatever. But one trailer they released was this
entire scene where you see for the first time the
seraphytes disemboweling somebody. And then well, I can't say, but
(21:09):
we at this point a bunch of speculation rang out
about this group, and a lot of people we included
thought Abby was Ellie's mom and she'd gotten involved in
this cult. So it's just interesting to me to look
(21:30):
at it now and be like, no, that was we
were way off. We were way off of that one. Also,
the whistles, so this part of the game is really,
really scary. It's one of the scariest parts of the
game to me because basically Ellie's just had a horrible time.
You go through the convention Center, which I'm not sure
(21:52):
if that's what they were saying that long building they
cut through us, but the Seattle Convention Center and you
run into clickers and stalkers, and eventually you get shoved
out a window and then you fall into the river
and you end up in the sewer system. It's a
whole thing. It's a whole thing. But you come up
and you're at this park and it seems cool, seems good.
(22:18):
You're just moving along and then you hear this whistle
and then you get shot with an arrow Ellie and
it's out of nowhere, and that's when they introduce the
function where you have to if you don't break out
the arrow and take care of it, it will kill you. Yeah,
So that was the difference between the game and show.
(22:39):
Ellie gets shot, but if you want, no one wants to.
But if you do, somebody has deciphered the whistles that
the serifies do and so you can look it up
and it's actually helpful when you're playing the game because
you can tell, oh, they know I'm here.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
I got it level study to not get shot.
Speaker 2 (23:02):
Yes, Well, the thing is in the show, Ellie doesn't
kill anybody. She hides in that tree trunk. But in
the game it's very very hard not to kill anybody
because they have this whistle system. So like, if you
get seen, they start whistling, they all know you're there,
and they all converge on you. It's a very difficult
(23:23):
part of the game. I was watching an Easter Egg
video which shout out to everybody who makes those within
like five hours of the episode coming out. But they
were saying like that is probably the most one of
the most difficult things for newcomer to this kind of
genre is that section, because if they hear you you've
(23:48):
done four, you've done messed up. Yeah, it's not good.
It's not good at all, Samantha. But also this is
They kind of touched on this more in the when
they're interviewing the creators afterwards after the show. But this
(24:09):
is sort of an example of what they were talking
about in the last episode with the extremism and the
radicalization and this sort of well, you killed this many people,
so I'm going to kill this many people. This feel
her love feel this. It's a very violent reciprocal thing
(24:32):
that is happening that we're seeing, and it's also celebrating violence.
And I thought this was interesting because I mentioned in
the last episode we did I cry a lot when
I play these. I also don't like revenge stories that
(24:54):
much and that might be giving you pause and maybe
that's a spoiler enough. But so this scene in the
game where Ellie kills Nouram, I cry almost every time
I play it. It is miserable you have to do it,
and it makes you like press the button to do
it over and over and over. It's horrible. And almost
(25:18):
everyone I know who played the game had to stop
at that point and like, go outside, Arla, do something else.
And so this is really interesting to me because they've
seen a lot of reactions to the show and they're like, yeah,
get her very I'm curious. I'm curious what it will be.
(25:39):
But that kind of celebrating violence is sort of the
reason I don't like a lot of revenge stuff. It
just makes me uncomfortable.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
But I'm wondering if that's I mean, honestly, I think
that's the main point part, Like people are like, this
doesn't hit nearly as well as the game, Like they're
trying their best, but it never will because you're watching
it as a show and not playing it as the player, right,
which is kind of that mention.
Speaker 2 (26:07):
Yeah, for sure, and I think that, I mean, I
think it's it was still very upseting, but it's just
it is different when you're playing it and you have
to be like, I don't want to do this. I
don't want to do this anymore. That was That was
a miserable. That was Yeah, I had to stop. I
(26:30):
had to stop, and I hate stopping video games. I
want to know how the story goes. But also, yes,
this is the thing that I'm honestly not entirely sure
why people are so into. But the introduction of spores.
So we do get the spores in this episode. They
(26:51):
were in the game. I don't they didn't include them
in the show. I believe for two main reasons. Masks
over actors face all the time is not the most
cinematic thing. But also, I think I talked about this
in the first season. In the game, it's kind of
clear this is a spor area and this is not
(27:11):
a spore area. But if you kind of extrapolate out
from that, why how do I know that, Like it
could be in the air right now. So I think
that's one reason they haven't introduced them yet. I do
think that's also a reason they were like, it is
in this area, right it hasn't come out through the events.
(27:35):
This is where it is. But we do get that
really heartbreaking scene which I thought was great of han
Rahn kind of interrogating Eliza. I believe her name was
about this, and we don't know as the viewer until
the end that Leon is her son, and so that
(27:55):
was a really good review. But you could tell and
Eliza mentioned Leon, hand Rahann became much more like, oh, okay,
so this wasn't a treason.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
This thing.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
This was a real bad thing that just happened. Very serious.
But this is another area where you're kind of going
back to the beginning because this hospital was ground zero
for Seattle and for a lot of places. So when
you explore this hospital, you can find a lot of
(28:32):
notes about, oh, we don't know what to do. No
one's telling us anything from doctors, nurses, patients, all that stuff.
And then so many people were dying. They put them
in the basement and they didn't know it was really contagious,
so they didn't know. But then they piled them on
top of each other and they sort of became this mass.
(28:55):
But this like, we're going back to the beginning, and
the episode does that too, because you go back to
that same space where you started. But yeah, and you
can tell. It's horrifying because you don't really have this
in the game, but having the people who are breathing
out the spores and who are just sort of being
(29:16):
used to breathe out the spores. One of them is Leon,
but one of them is somebody in scrubs who's presumably
been there since at break day. That's hm, that's horrible.
That's horrible. It's also clearly a very quick infection because
(29:38):
when Eliza's telling story, she says, you know, five minutes
had passed between Leon saying he was okay to oh no,
seal it. Oh. So that's scary. Also, this made me
think of one of the greatest friend actions you've ever
done for me, Samantha, when we went to the Hunted
(30:01):
the Last of Us Haunted House in La they had spores.
They had like a little you would walk in a
room and you could see the sports and it was
really cool. It was a really cool effect. But also
our friend Marissa, she one time we were playing this
game and she got an idea and if you know Marissa,
(30:24):
let me tell you, when she gets an idea, it
is there. And she wanted to do a Haunted house
of this part the hospital. She was like, this is it.
Here's how we're.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Going to do. I have a plan, this is what
we're doing.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Oh And we kept like kind of moving on and
then she would suddenly be like, but we could also
do it was great, It was great. But also, this
is what Ellie sees in the basement is a very
advanced stage of infection. And we've seen some of those stages.
(31:01):
You've got your runners, you got your Stockers, the smart one,
you got air bloater. This is a different thing. They do.
The infected adapt based on environment. So if you're near water,
they look and act differently, if you're near snow, they
look and act differently. I hate to do it, but
I got to do it. They're really teasing this Ratking thing.
(31:23):
So when Ellie turns on the power this is a
horrible idea in the game. You turn on that generator,
they all be coming.
Speaker 3 (31:33):
That's so low, That's what I'm saying this, Why would
you do this?
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yes, but I've mentioned in the game you can hear
the rat King if you know what you're listening for.
There is something that sounds like it. They do have
the same soundscaping, but I don't I think it's a
reach to say it's actually the rat King, but we
(31:59):
must we must acknowledge B one, B two, what's in
B three. Yeah, this is not the end of the
hospital for sure. This also, okay, brings us to Dina's pregnancy.
(32:26):
Like I said, she's handling it way better than she
did in the game. She was like so sick with
morning sickness all of the time. But we get this
story of her first kill in response to Ellie being like,
I shouldn't have brought you here when I was thinking
she has a story like that in the game that
she mentions in passing and it's after So in the game,
(32:51):
Tommy went first and then Ellie and Dina follow after
Tommy and they find it's in that but hotel that
you stated that I didn't get to go to Hotels Wind.
Speaker 3 (33:04):
It was like a three day later where I was like, yeah,
we just went to say that this really nice and
sell You're like what.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
I was like, what it's like the only location on
my last one was two map I didn't go to
and so.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
We did it vicariously for you too.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But anyway, you go in there and you find these
bodies who have been tortured in the way that you
know Joel does it from the first game, and Ellie's like, oh,
it was Tommy and this is how it works. And
later she says to Tina, I hope you're not judging
Tommy too harshly for this, and Dina says, no, if
(33:49):
I had the people who killed my sister tied to
a chair and would have done worse. So that's kind
of the extent of what she says, but it is
like another the reminder of the whole, like trauma on
top of trauma, because she says like, it doesn't matter
(34:09):
if if my family had done something something to them first,
would I have cared? No, But then you're creating that
trauma for someone else, so it just keep keeps going.
But she did give Ellie the choice where she was like,
I will go back if you want. I'll keep going
(34:29):
if you want, which I thought was interesting because so
far she has been much more into the let's avenged
ol thing than she is in the game. But she
did she was like, if I die, that's on me.
Take that out of the equation. Do you want to
keep going? I will go And I love that scene.
(34:50):
Bella Ramsay did so great in that scene because Ellie
is like, yeah, I do, let's keep going. But this
is this is where so many of the like moral
quandaries and arguments of the last one was coming, because
you're like, well, Abby saw this thing, and she did this,
(35:10):
and Ellie wasn't supposed to be there, but they did
do it even though Ellie was there, Like you just
get stuck in the cycle of dns. But Dina does
say I would have hunted him down forever, which I'm
just gonna say is very ominous. Also, yes, Dina is
(35:31):
your map person. She is the best. They've really leaned
into this whole dynamic of Dina being the smart one
and Ellie being the barn and she is I mean
in a game, she is. She's the one that's making
the plays and like, no, we shouldn't do this, but
they've really leaned into it. In the show. They also
have a moment they don't have in the game where
(35:53):
Dina says, you know, you're kind of crazy, but that's
why I love you, and Ellie's like, oh love me,
which is very sweet, very see once again feel her love,
but also once again fear of ending up alone, which
is Ellie's biggest fear, and I think this is kind
of why she is going back and forth about Dina
(36:21):
and pretty much sacrificing herself. At that scene with the Stalkers,
she was like, yeah, if one of us can live,
I want you to live. So we have that, then, yes,
we do have the theater. The theater, as we've said,
is like your bass. It's really visually interesting. I love it.
(36:42):
And Ellie plays the song the song which is Future
Days by Pearl Jam, and by the way, Pearl Jam
not only loves this, has given their full signature on it,
they are releasing a Last of Us album.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
They did a pre release immediately after this episode. Like
I saw that from someone who was like a giant
fan of Pearl Jam, was like, what the hell, why
would you exploit this?
Speaker 2 (37:12):
I just bought it. I'm like, you do it, man.
I love it. And the song at the end of
the credits is present sense. It's Pearl Jim song. Yeah yeah,
but anyway, the song in question, future Days I'd Surely
Lose Myself, is the song they used in the main
(37:34):
trailer for the second season, but it is a song
that is like the heart of a lot of the game.
It is a through line throughout. As we've said, Ellie
clearly has this connection to music. A part of her
connects to it because of Joel, and Joel taught her
(37:57):
how to play the guitar and he taught her this.
And when she is singing it, she can't finish it, like,
can't even get through the first line. And if you
haven't heard this song, she says, basically, if I ever
were to lose you, I'd surely lose myself. So she
(38:18):
tries to sing that and then she can't. Oh that song.
I don't think that song will ever. There's a lot
of her Oh God, yes, I think we Then we
have the maybe not that's different question, different quote.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Yeah, we've seen things we've seen. Then Nora say, we
let you survive.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Uh, she says, we let you live, we let you live.
Speaker 3 (38:47):
Yeah, so we've got something that says we let you live,
not not dot Yeah, but not that one.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Yeah, it gets me. I remember we were in Seattle
when that trailer came out and I texted you and
your partner and I was just like the sad crying
face and your partner was like it was the song,
wasn't it? And I was like, Yes, it's gonna be.
It's gonna be throughout and I do love it. Anyway,
(39:24):
we also get the introduction the reintroduction of Jesse and Tommy.
As mentioned, Tommy and the game is already causing chaos,
and here it's implied Jesse. It's implied. It's said Jesse
and Tommy split up and they're gonna meet Tommy in
(39:45):
the morning and then go back to Jackson, to which
Ellie is like, oh what, no thanks, And then Dina
interestingly is like Ellie because I think she realized they
almost died right there. They've bitten off more than they
can chew and they can't do this. But Ellie is
(40:05):
like nope. But Jesse does come back, kind of similarly
in the games. It's actually really cool scene. They couldn't
have done it in the show, but it was a
really cool like the car is going out of control
and you're fighting, and anyway, I am very happy he
(40:29):
showed up. And they also did the thing I mentioned,
which is in the trailers or they were gaslighting all
of us, or they made you think that Joel survived
and it was Jesse at that point where Ellie thinks
she's hurt and she's kind of not seeing straight and
she sees Jesse she thinks it's Joel for a minute,
(40:54):
and that I think is a throwback too. Yeah, we
remember what we did. You we haven't forgotten. I know
you haven't, but I do, like I don't know, Like
I said, I just really like the dynamic between Jesse, Dina,
(41:14):
and Ellie. I think it's really interesting. I like that
there's no real enemy, even if they get mad at
each other, and in here, I really think it's interesting
that Ellie is jealous that Jesse protected Dina where Ellie couldn't,
and he's mad because he's like, this could have been
completely prevented. This was so ridiculous. And as we mentioned,
(41:35):
we don't know how he voted in that council mode,
but we suspect he said no. So it's just a
really interesting dynamic that I enjoy. This is also where
you kind of as a player in the game. You
start getting through the walkie talkie, you start hearing rumors
(41:56):
of an intruder and outsider who you presume to be
yourself Ellie, but then is Tommy and Jesse and you,
but there's like all this stuff. You're the chattery you're
hearing on the radio and they're freaking out. But okay,
this brings us to Nora's death. The big thing of
(42:17):
this episode. As I said, this was a devastating This
was devastating in the game, everybody, I know how to
pause it and stop. And you get the scene where
you see Ellie choosing this revenge on Nora and Abby
(42:39):
over Dina and Jesse because she doesn't know Dina and
Jesse are safe. We don't know, we don't know. She
just saw the hospital thought about it. It was like,
I'm going, I'm gonna get Nora, and they have that
really intense conversation which is pretty much lined for line
(43:03):
and have the chase is pretty much just like the game.
And I had to use your partner a lot because
he dies at places I assume you could never die,
but I did diet this part and I didn't know
you could, so I'll give him that. Basically, if you
don't follow her quickly enough, she's throwing a lot of
like roadblocks at you, you lose. It's not necessarily you die,
(43:27):
it's just like you up. So that's the end of that, right,
But it's I think one of the reasons. It's so painful,
is what Nora said was awful. It was like really terrible,
and you chase her and you're just filled with this
(43:48):
righteous rage and then you find her and you're standing
over her in this red light and you have this
steel pipe that looks like a golf club purposely, and
it's this character that you played when she was like
a child and she was, you know, making these puns
(44:08):
and still very dangerous but relatively innocent for this world.
And to see this like transformation just horrible. There's a
there's a great like gift you can find of the
way her face transforms and that like rage. And then
(44:32):
it's just focused on her face, on Ellie's face, and
you just see how far she's willing to go, and
you just have to keep swinging, and she does. Ellie
goes for the legs like they did. But Joel, which
(44:54):
is pretty it's it's awful. It's awful. It's especially awful
because when you think about it, Norah. Norah at this
point is the only one that knows Ellie was immune.
She's the only one that even believed it might be possible.
(45:17):
So she dies knowing more of the gravity of Joel's
actions than the rest than the rest do, and I
do think it's interesting. One of the things I like
about the second game is that Ellie kind of leans
(45:38):
into her superpower being immune. They're definitely leaning into it
more in the show because she's got bitten so many times,
but like in the game, it is cool to kind
of see her be like, bite me, go ahead. But
they're really really leaning leaning into it here, and to
(46:00):
have Nora have that realization of like, oh wow, this
could have been what could have been? Oh my gosh,
Oh my gosh, and just the you know, at this point,
probably nobody's gonna even try anymore. There are no more fireflies,
(46:22):
there's there's so it's just really painful. It's like such
a painful thing. And like I said, I was she
said that, I was like, I'll get her, but then
it got me to this point it was like, do
you really want to do it? I was like, no,
but I have to. And it's just yep. And also
(46:56):
we get something information that we've all been wondering about,
which is Ellie knew what Joel did. I've rered Bella
Ramsay say that Ellie knew the first the first lie
(47:16):
but was willing to let it go because of the
fear of being alone. And then it just you know,
built up. But this is the point in the game
where you find out, oh, it was fireflies, I see.
But she says, you know, very like I don't care.
I know, she's not showing any signs of empathy, and
(47:41):
it just feels to me, again, the acting's fantastic, but
it feels to me like she's reliving that trauma in
her head. She's seeing Joel die in her head, and
she's re enacting it in what she thinks will be
something that will make her feel better, which sounds a
little bit like happy being kind of stuck in that
(48:04):
in that trauma. There are several parallels we see in
this episode between Joel and Ellie. Once somebody pointed out
to me the other day that I was like, oh, yeah,
you're right. It's one of those kind of arrogance of
I see how many wolves there are, I don't care,
I'll take them on. And then Joel kind of being like,
(48:25):
wait a minute, a whole hospital full of fireflies going in,
so we kind of got that, and then the whole
the motif of the basement, the red lighting the monster
and Ellie having that really dark revenge moment in that scene.
(48:48):
I think it's pretty telling if you think about the
if you watch the coming up next things like I do.
At the end of that, Joel says, remember what I
taught you, and I it feels kind of like, maybe
not the things you wish she would have remembered, but
she does remember the thing she taught you. But yeah,
(49:12):
they her and Dina almost died for this revenge. And
as as I say in every episode we do of this,
it's the cost. What are you willing to pay? And
so I think it's interesting that I both think it's
(49:32):
like giving Dina agency, but it's interesting that Ellie is
willing to lose Dina, even though it was Dina being like,
I'll do what you want to do. I'm ready. But
I do think that's interesting. And Okay, I feel like
I've addressed most of these, but the game differences morning
(49:53):
sickness with Dina, that's a big one, the arrow with Ellie,
Jesse's arrival, and then the whole Tommy situation on which
I'm very curious, yeah, very curious about random Summer, the horse.
Speaker 3 (50:06):
I Know, Where's you know what? I'd rather just not
remember the horse. Well.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I feel like the official Last of Us page released
like a video about it, and it was just the
horse chilling so.
Speaker 3 (50:20):
Good in the area, just hanging out with the records.
All good.
Speaker 2 (50:26):
Yes, I did want to briefly mention I know probably
a lot of you have seen it. There's been a
lot of review bombing of this show. I'm not surprised.
Disappointed as always, but I'm not at all surprised the game.
When Joel died in the game, it's often called the
death that broke the Internet. It was bad, it was
(50:49):
real bad. I don't like it, but I'm just not
I don't know, I'm not surprised by it. I also
read something recently that said a lot of and you
were it's strange because it's kind of like, what is
this about? But like a lot of the things in
(51:10):
our lives entertainment wise that feel very one sided are
like eighty percent bots, which sucks because I was telling
you there's a whole thing about rotten tomatoes and can't
trust that anymore. That's for a different episode, but I
did I have found it interesting. I call it the
(51:31):
unholy matrimony of gamer Gate. Ros and pedro fangirls because
Pedro fangirls are there. You got up in there, didn't Oh? Well, yeah,
I don't know how serious it is. I've read a
couple things about it, and I saw again I can't
get any layout of the land of eighty percent of
its bots, but I do know that some of that
(51:54):
does exist. Some of it I think is jokingly. But anyway,
that segues into the next thing. Naughty Dog, which is
the company behind the Last of Us, has started this
new thing where they boot camp that's what they call it,
boot camping new actors because they know this kind of
(52:20):
backlash and hatred exists. I've always wondered about this because sometimes,
you know, like they had with Abby, they had to
be like this is going to happen, and it's been
a big conversation about protecting actors who play these characters
or what have you, and how a lot of studios
(52:42):
haven't been great at it. So I don't know. I mean,
it's one of those things where I've always been curious
about that. But it does suck that has to be
a thing at all, Yeah, But if it has to
be a thing at all, I would prefer they're at
least trying to do something about it. Right. Oh good
(53:05):
h Anyway, the next episode looks like we're getting the
flashbacks that we mentioned, right, which is different than the
game where they came kind of sporadically. I think you're
going to put them in one episode. So if you've
been missing Pedro Pascal, unless they're gaslighting us once again
(53:28):
once again, then the next episode, I'm excited. I'm excited.
Uh yes, well, listeners, I hope you enjoyed this, even
if you don't watch, or maybe you do and you're like, still,
this is a lot more than I do. But hey,
I hope you enjoy it. If you have any thoughts,
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