October 6, 2021 • 41 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephane.
Never told your production of Higher Radio. Okay, Annie, I
really wanted to ask you this on the last episode,
and I forgot and I was excited about the movies
because you know, we're talking about all the legends. But
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have you ever gone on any of the ghost tours
that are offered and or have you gone on your
own adventure in an where they're supposed to be else
booklore or a legend or a haunt on your own? Yes,
yes to all, yes, yes, someone who likes her I
have done a lot of ghost tours. Um like Savannah
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and Louisiana are coming to mind, because those are kind
of big lots of ghost stories and Laura around those areas.
I've done that. I think I did some when I
was in Europe and one when I was in a
cave system in your and that's probably the most afraid
I've ever been, but I think had more to do
with the caves and lessen. And then, like I said,
I I do like scary things, so I have I
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have a friend Katie who's been on the show, and
she also likes scary things, and I think we build
each other up. Like I think sometimes where nothing is happening,
we both convinced each other something is happening. So we're
convinced we've seen a ghost, even though like not even
sure I believe ghost. Sorryal, but like when I was
a kid, we convinced each other we've seen this ghost.
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We went like we convinced ourselves there's all kinds of
haunted stuff in our woods, and we would go and
investigate and pick up clues and find like a turtle,
what's blood on it? Ghost? Things like that with blood.
Oh the turtle shell had blood on it. I still
haven't freaked me out. And then we found a mailbox
that was buried and it just had these business cards
that said do as I say and not as I do.
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And I was like, this is a murderer. Things like that,
and then I definitely there were some urban leugends around
where I grew up, and one most of them just
involved like don't go into Dawsonville Forest at night, but
there was one where you would go. Probably a lot
of people have heard this because I think like any
town that has the right hill for this has tried it.
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But it was like you would go and park on
this hill and put yourself in neutral and it would
pull you upboard or something. And there's a scientific reason
for why that works, but of course there's also like
ghost stories around why it works. So I did that once,
and I mean it was pretty weird, but I didn't
really scare me. I was just like, yeah, So I
don't typically do like the savantage ward where they just
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carry you, know, you ride in the horse cart and
they'll tell you about buildings. I didn't do that. Have
I done those? No, I've never done those because I'm like,
it's just getting on a horse and looking at buildings,
which is nice, but I'm like, that's not a thing
I want. Because I for the longest time devoured every
episode of ghost Hunter. Oh yeah uh, And I would
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watch all those and it was hilarious because like every
time anything scary happened, there was nothing. You could barely
see anything, and I was like, what you're supposed to
look at? I don't understand the investigation party you're staying.
So I really was like, I can do this. Let
me do this. And then like there was another one
I can't remember the name of the show. I loved
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him and he would actually travel around the world, but
it would just be like finding that. So if they
would do uh, you know, the whole finding the jetty
and the force in China. I know he visited the
Suicide Forest in Japan for a while and like did
those things and super eerie things. But of course the
night vision stuff maybe even every year still let me see.
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So I was like, why why am I watching this?
But you know that intensity. So I was bound and determined,
like I want to go to these things. So for
my birthday, two of my good friends, I decided to
purchase Ghost Toward essentially a ghost walk which happened at
night near Halloween because it was near my birthday, so
during the October September time. And it's in Roswell, Georgia.
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So for those of you who do not know the
area very well, Roswell, Georgia is one of the small
mill towns that actually never burned down during the Civil
War when Sherman marched through it was salvage, so the
mills still exist and the older buildings still exists. A
lot more history there than pretty much all of Georgia
because it was burned down sadly enough. Don't get me wrong,
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it happened, it had happened, but all of those to say,
we don't have a lot of historical things, and the
mills of Roswell remains, so of course we get a
good amount of tails come from that area, which I love.
So we did a whole tour and I don't know,
I don't think this woman was an actress, Like she
was definitely just like dry talking about whatever is happening.
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So she was a historian, but she was also very
into the ghost world. So she would take us on
in the middle of the night, not middle of the night,
I guess, like e a p m. Seven seven a
pm when it was super dark, got her flashlights. We
had to have our flashlights, and we toured around Roswell
and at one point, like we went by the mills
and she told the story of a young boy running
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out the door and her and her crew witnessed it.
Of course, all of these different tales. And at one
point we were at a I want to say, it's
a some kind of antique store, so it was preserved
and antiques are there and you can see them in
the building, and she's pointing her flashlight up, which was
a gigantic flashlight it starts flickering and doing the flashing,
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and it like she kept hitting it, and she genuinely
seemed annoyed, but she wasn't like associating it. It's a
ghost story that she just did this to the point
that my friend and I looked at each other and
started backing away and looking out at the windows because
she was talking about seeing an old man in the
window whatever whatnot. And she was like, well, I guess
somebody need new batteries. And then we talked to for
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a minute and then walked away, and the the flashlight
started working again, to the point that someone was coming up,
walking up on us, and she thought she knew them,
so she flashed. She pointed the flash at it and
using at him, and it turned out to be a cop,
and he got very angry and yelled at the other
scary part of the tour, like our person was about
to be arrested. But like she did all of that.
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So for a few minutes, I was like, did we
were worried I encounter a ghost or was she just
like an actress? I don't know, I don't know. So
I did that one, and then there was a whole
legend that happens at the University of Georgia. Of course,
you know, you have to have tons of legends at
your schools, and it's always someone who died by suicide
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was not found for days later. And yes, I know
they did because we did a comparison. But there was
one because there, at one point in time, there was
a building and I never understood this, and when I
see anything like this anywhere, because I've seen a couple,
I get really freaked out. There was a stairwell that
just went to a wall and that was the end
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of it, and everybody's like, what is this? And so
the story was told that it used to be a dormitory.
An exchange student was there. He had hanged himself and
because everybody was on vacation, no one saw him. But
of course his corpse smelled up the place, so they
couldn't do anything about it. So they just sealed it off.
And that's the legend of that because no one could
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find the entrance. And and I've been there because we
were like what is this? And so of course we
had that and we try to find the spirit there.
Find that spirit though, good, I guess. So that reminds
me of when we did our episode on the Winchester House,
that's that feels very like stor to nowhere. But we
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were all like, why does this exist? What is this?
It's probably something very simple, probably, I mean to be honest.
They're like, is this and it was cheaper to do
this because it's damaged? Okay, fine, yeah, fine, stories I
did go to I went to the Stanley Hotel, which
is what the Shining is based on. I went during
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July because it's only open, just like in the movie,
the snows get so bad you can only get there
in July, I think. Um. And it was really really
funny because we did a tour of it and the
very kind tour woman went out of her way to
just be like, there are no mean ghosts here, only
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nice ghost I don't know what Stephen King, I don't
know what happened to him that night. I think he
was just stressed. But they are only nice ghosts. They
just are children. They like candy. You just I don't know.
And it was so funny because they kept and I
get why, because they were like, we want you to
have a good they have to know that. Like everyone
there though shining, and like one person is like hotels
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and people like there's the attic. Some part of the
movie is based on it and it has read just
people keep writing red rum on it. And she was
so annoyed. She was like, it's not like that at all.
Stop be smart, I would go. It was very very cute, honestly.
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All right. So all of that is a lead into
our part two on women in urban legends from all
around the world. If you haven't listened to part one
and go check that one out. And just a really
brief repeat of our disclaimer. There will be some gruesomeness
we've already touched on some so apologies. Nothing too in
depth though, and also, as we said in the last one,
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we tried to get the best sources we could. But
these are urban legends, so by nature it's hard to
find like proof, and in fact it purposely almost doesn't
exist because they're an urban legend. It's just the story
people will repeat over and over, usually because of some
morality tale or some lesson some anxietal fear that we're
having is anxietal a word. I just made it one
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um in her in our society, so you know that
being said, all of these are just I mean mostly
they're just stories that we tell and they do like
scars and that's fun. But you know a lot of
facts being here. Not too many facts now, yes, um.
And also we've done a bunch of past episodes related
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to lots of stuff we're talking about. We shouted those
out in part one. You want to listen to more
and you haven't heard those, go check them out because
we we love these kinds of things and we've talked
about it a lot. So all right, So I actually
this one is an interesting one, um, But I wanted
to include it because one of my favorite things about
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urban legends, and we talked about in the last episode
are these like rules are things you can do to
protect yourself or bring favor or whatever it is. I
don't know why, but there's something about that that I
find really interesting, especially as we've said, I don't believe
in them, but I still don't want to mess with it.
So I just find that it's such an interesting piece
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of human nature. So we're talking about the Mistress of
bur Mountain, and I did have a lot of trouble
hunting down info in English for this one. Even though
there are some fairy tales that you can find in Russian,
but I did want to include it because it has
a lot of contradictions and superstitions around it. The Mistress
of the Copper Mountain, also known as the Malachite Maid,
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or also a lot of times referred to as the
ancestor a parallel of the ASoft Girl, is a mountain
spirit frequently associated with the Earl Mountains. The Copper Mountain
is the oldest mine in the Earl Mountains, and this
mistress is both beautiful protector and demonic punisher. Yes. In
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Slavic mythology, she is described as an extremely attractive young
woman with green eyes, a lizard crown, and a malachite dress.
Jewels and lizards feature very often in her story. In
some versions, she's got like an army of lizards that
does her bidding swards. What is without lizards? I know, people,
a lizard apparely does a thing. Huh it is? I
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can't wait till you watch silent anyway, So this this
mistress is viewed as something like a saint for male
miners and a protector of mountain treasures. Treasures she may
allow the mining of or not, depending on a lot
of moral judgments. She'll make the Mistress did not allow
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for other women in her domain. Men who longed for
her patronage were not to marry. She appreciated kindness, goodness,
and skilled craftsmanship and would reward all of those things.
But on the other hand, she punished those that did
not adhere to her rules and were unkind, and she
would punish them with either loss of luck or wealth,
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or even death, even death. Children were told that making
any loud noise near the mountains would incur the Mistress's
wrath because she didn't like loud noises, which I find
funny because that's another contradiction because I feel like mining
can get quite loud. Right. She quote brings woe for
a bad man, which, yeah, we talked about. That's a
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recurring theme and a lot of these about it. Yeah,
that's true. In pavel, Baso first published The Malachite Box,
which was a series of fairy tales, and one of
them featured the Mistress of the Copper Mountain, a tale
Baso had grown up hearing. He went on to include
her and several other stories, and he claimed that her
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story was a sign that miners just missed women, and
then she represented wealth and beauty. Many men saw after
a partner. There's also an interesting essay because there's been
some research done on this legend. A lot of it
went over my head because i I'm not familiar, super
familiar with Russian culture, but there's been some research that
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she she represented like Western beauty specifically, which was interesting.
The Earl Mountains do you have a long history of
being central to that region's industry, whether it was the
mining of jewels or later materials for the military. And
it makes sense that this story really took off, that
it took root and solidified itself in the national psyche,
that men working in the minds would hold on to
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this idea of a beautiful woman who would keep them
safe if they were good and punish the bad, which
I'm assuming you would never think was you mining, It
was dangerous. Many miners died due to the conditions. Some
of you even speculated that workers saw her as a
defender for their rights, even in like the USSR and
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times like that. Something she is an embodiment of Christian values.
Others think that she has undeniably pagan roots. According to
a paper written by Mark Lipovetski, she represents three Freudian
ideas death drive because that's where she lives. Sex drive,
men's desire for her, and castration anxiety are a loss
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of power. So again, there's just a lot going on
in this one kind of seemingly simple story, but there
are reasons these stories are created and get told over
and over and over again. Right, that's interesting. I like
it though, mm hmmmm. It was really fascinating read and
it made me want to look more into the whole
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history of these mountains. And I was like, this is
a different podcast you've got here, but I was looking
at like old mining charts. Of course you did, um did.
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So we're going to talk about La dam lunch, y'all.
I'm struggling with the French and I really want to
make it Spanish, so I apologize beforehand. Um. And she
is also known as the Woman in White, and yes,
there are several variations, as we've already talked about, uh
this lore and it exists throughout different cultures, but for
right now, we're talking about the French lady and actually
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within French culture, but there are several versions of the
Woman in White as well. But there is a differentiation
between Woman in White and laydown Blanche. But as with
most folklores and legends. Uh, there are a lot of
crossovers and variations, So apologies in advance if you think
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that we have messed it all up. But this is
what we saw, so this is what we're going to
talk about. But for this one, the don blanche are
typically seen on bridges or by bodies of waters. And
then there are some versions that also say they reside
by caves, caverns, or ravines, so good to know that too, um,
and they are dressed all in white and it's in
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these locations much like our ferry vampires that we mentioned before.
They also love to dance. Dancing is a big portion
to this, but in this instance it isn't a way
to put you in a trance. But if you refuse
her or you try to stop before she wants to stop,
she's going to throw you into the water and drown you,
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or have an animal coming and assist to make them
eat you. Okay, okay, so just just dance. Okay, you're
just gonna need to dance. But where did they come from? Well, yes,
this is a great question because unlike many of the
other legends, we don't have much of a backstory for
the dumb blanche. They don't really have a really origin um.
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We don't know if he was burned by a lover
or she was locked away from attending a ball because
this is what I'm imagining, say, she loves dance, and
unlike the other lady in white stories in France, which
apparently typically has the tragedy of an unfaithful husband and
the death of their children, which causes her to lash
out against other men and children, which is what this
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lady in white does in France. They she goes after
and may cause an accident or some something for them
to get hurt or die. We don't have that same
backstory for this specific folklore. And they typically don't have
a preference in gender and just likes dancing and according
to one side, is complicated dacy. So I don't know,
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just like you need to know ball room dance or salsa.
I don't think you can break out with an eighties
Roger rabbit dance. I would be great at that though,
But and you have to keep going until she is satisfied.
And one of the best known dums is La Dame
de Prickney, who actually, y'all, my friends, is bad. I
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just said y'all. So I feel like there's a reference
to how bad it is who actually likes to haunt
streets and not necessarily bridges. And according to one guide
about ghost travels, and I want to go to this
by the way, it states that quote, she has no
backstory and no history, but somehow a legend began of
her appearing on what is present day russ Saint Quentin
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Bayou in the northwest of France, and that allegedly she
would greet those who would attempt to pass through the
Narrabra ravine with an extended hand, and it accepted, she
would dance several rounds of the most elaborate dances, keeping
the human for extensive periods of time, before eventually letting
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her partner go. If it refused, however, she would pounce
onto her victim before throwing him or her into the
ditch filled with briars and thorns. Right, So it's a
very interesting kind of legend with no real backstory other
than they are the beautiful version of a troll out
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of bridge, I guess. And instead of answering the riddles three,
you have to dance elaborate dances. So I guess we're
gonna have to figure some of those things out. So
also while we're talking about women in specific colors, where
you can talk a little bit about the Lady in
Red just for frenzies. Um, yes, there are those legends
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with the lady in Red, and I believe we've mentioned
her in our episode in the Power of Red, like
just kind of the whole stereotype and what it often
is in legends, except there's a version, and it's the
typical version. There's no real like area that they haunt necessarily,
but if you go there's lists on lists on the list,
and there's a lot in the US that I've noticed,
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um that there are either a jilted lover or a
prostitute who was killed in a fit of passion, or
sometimes just a vain woman in red, which we've heard
that concept of like oh, she looks she's looking at herself,
the red lipstick type of and then when she appears,
she's either dressed all in scarlet or in a blood
red dress, or she's covered in blood sometimes and she
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that's what based the red right, and it's typically the
ghost who appears throughout different cultures, but not necessarily do
anything delicious like there have never been any real tales
of them doing anything harmful, but just likes to haunt
specific places like again hotels and theaters. Yeah, yeah, I
looked into that one. And I looked into the Lady
in White based on because that's the first episode of Supernatural,
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right is the Lady White White? Yeah? And I what
I found basically was a bunch of like very specific,
unverified stories about checkers or like seeing them on the road,
not even necessary checkers, but like seeing them by the
side of the road. And that's very common actually in
a lot of urban legends are just ghost stories. Yeah.
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So that's pretty much all I could find as well.
But again, listeners, if you've got like a specific story
or something you want to add, please list right. It
seems like the Lady in Red is nicer than the
Lady in White, so maybe we would rather see the
Lady in Red, which is not so much the Lady
in white. She will make you do some things, She's sad,
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She's gonna make you feel feel a certain way about it,
all right, So I wanted to talk about the Nari
Fun or Nary Fun apologies in advance. Um, we did
want to cover things from all around the world. But
that does mean the pronunciation might not be there. And
I tried to look up the pronunciation for this and
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I could not track it down. And a lot of
this story was hard to track down as well. But
I did want to talk about it because when I
was reading about it just immediately caught my attention. So
the nary fahn are the macaifon. It's the type of
tree in Buddhist mythology that grows fruit shaped like young women.
They sprout from their heads and grow from there. And
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this tree grows in the mythical forest at the Hima Faun,
where local men cut them off and eat them. The
nary faun also show up in the vest Centaur Jataka,
planted around the place where the body Satva vest Centaura meditated.
Sorry again trying the best good win and one version
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of the tail. The Buddhist god Indra had a home
at the edge of the forest with his wife vest
Centara and their two children. The Centara couldn't enter the
forest without being in danger of horrifying male creatures, or
in some versions of the story, just lustful men who
had acquired powers by meditating. But we're still like lustful men,
which I thought was a very funny and terrifying commentary
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of men are just monsters in this case okay um
and so to protect her injured, planted twelve nary fund
trees that would grow fruit that looked like his wife
so that she could be safe while picking fruit. The
idea being the monster's foreman would pick the fruit and
take it home, thinking it was wes Centura and leaving
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the real Vsentara alone. But they would take the fruit home,
have sex with the fruit, and consequently fall into an
enchanted sleep for four months and lose their powers. Over
the years, there have been a few news stories of
the purported discovery of the trees um that grew fruits
shaped like women. You can buy a lot of markets
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around their sell I mean generally fake, but yeah, you
can buy buy uh kind of like carvings or even fruit.
There are a few trees that are rumored to bean
eary Fund and several hoaxes around that. Uh. Nary fun
are very prevalent in Thai culture. Yeah, they appear in
common x sold as gifts, popular ambulet and charm um.
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So it's another example kind of this story that is
just really taking heart in in a particular place, which
I also find fascinating. Yeah, that's very fascinating. M Also,
this kind of reminds me of what the short stories
that we had, and the birds were the women. The
birds were the women. It was one of the bloody tails.
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Oh yeah, and he turned the women into birds to
keep them. Mm hmmm, I do you remember that that
That's what it reminded me of. And for my last one,
I decided to because y'all, there's something about Japanese ghost
stories that scared the hell out of me. So they
for some reason, Like I just recently watched Juan and
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it's so old and in comparison to a lot of
the other movies and the effects are not over the top,
but it scared me, like to the point that I
was like, I have to watch something else before I
can go to bed. But I love them so much
because they just to me our extra eerie and I
don't know what it is about how they just make
it seem like. But because of that, we're returning back
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to another Japanese ghost or Japanese legend, which is Kashakona
or the slit mouth woman, so super specific um. Now,
the spirit has been around according to one report, for
over eight hundred years, like people have been talking about
it for a while. I did see another report saying
that it was started around century. So this is an
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old tale and she is known as an unreal unio
I'm trying to figure this out, y'all, or a malicious spirit.
And it's often seen wearing a mask or some type
of face covering, and it's often seen carrying around a
sharp object, so it could be a large knife, some
say scissors, very long scissors, but she's carrying something sharp.
And now her origin story is a cautionary tale for
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the women to a not to be vain and be
don't cheat. So those two things co hand in hand.
H So this beautiful Kachu saki Ona was married to
a samurai and she was known to be very vain,
but she was also very beautiful, so both of those things.
And one day, because she could, she cheated on her
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husband at the time, and when he found out, yes,
he was very angry and enraged and gave her something
that is called the Glasgow smile. I didn't know there
was a name for this because obviously with the things
like the black Dahlia, we knew of this type of crime,
and it seemed heinous to me at that point in
time as well. But okay, which is when someone causes
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a scar because they cut into your face that looks
like a smile, yes, by cutting from ear to ear horrifying.
And then he turned around and said to her, who
will think you're pretty? Now? Um? Of course, in another
version it said that she's cut up by another woman
who is jealous of her doing a medical procedure. And
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she is also, in these legends sometimes given sharp teeth,
which would scare the hell out of me, to be fair,
and now she haunts people by asking them the same thing,
do you think I'm pretty? While wearing a mask? So
if you run into a beautiful Asian woman, as says,
do you think I'm pretty that had a face covering,
I would run away. If they say no, she kills
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them with this sharp object she is carrying. Um. If
they say yes, she'll take our covering off to show
her a scar and asks again. And if they if
they say no, she cuts the face and kills them.
If they say yes, she cuts their face to match hers,
and I believe they also die there saying all those okay,
now there is a way to avoid being cut. So, y'all,
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we're here to help you. If you run into this woman.
Instead of saying yes or no when she asks you
if you think she's pretty, say so so or average
or you're okay, which will give you some time to
run away from her, as she's gonna be ok from
this answer. Yeah, I know, I was like, what. Or
you can try to throw some money at her and
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that can work, or some hard candies apparently it has
to be a specific candy called become, which is a
caramelized sugar candy from Japan. So I guess we need
to invest in some things. Or perhaps saying the word
palm made three times and I don't understand why I
try to find this one and there was no reason
behind it, and this palmade is typically a French things.
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I was like that, okay, whatever. Cool. And according to Wikipedia,
because you know, they have a lot more legends than some,
the first written mention of her didn't appear until nineteen
seventy nine. But again, the legend in itself has been
around for a while, and according to one telling of
this legend, there was a period of time not too
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long ago, once said two thousand seven, when children were
being escorted in fear of this type of monster, because
there were records showing of children that were similar to
this type of tale, saying that there was a woman
roaming around asking children things and then following them home
and murdering them essentially. So again, it's not saying that happened,
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and I don't know if that's true because it was
all from this legend site. So but it did put
that in there, and it could be one more of
those again urban legends when we say my cousin's sisters, friends,
whatever type of conversation. So doubt that happened, but it
did scare him enough that the day I actually did
escort some of the children. Again, So apparently Juan and
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the grudge and the ring were kind of based on
these legends. You can see it. You can see the variation,
maybe not of the face and all of that, but
like the woman who cheated or who was found to
have cheated, all of that, and so the husband murders
them in like a brutal way, and she comes and
murders everybody else as well sometimes. So yeah, this is
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kind of that basis um. And if you ever see
any of the drawings again, some of the legends, some
of the movies. It's pretty scary, like it freakes me
out for sure. Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've heard of
this one before and it that like freaked me out.
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Oh all right, Well for my last one, it's kind
of a cheat because I like to cheat here because
it's three Oh my god, Annie, But they're related. They're related,
so and they're kind of similar to what we talked
about with law Urona and the last one. But all right,
we're talking about Pinegal, lamat Shu, and Lambia. And let's
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start with Lambia. So you've probably heard of this one.
It was in It's been kind of the name has
been used for a lot of things nowadays, and it
was in like the horror movie Dragged Me to Hell Lambia.
But all right. In Greek mythology, Lambia was the beautiful
holly out after queen of Libya and a mistress of Zeus.
Is like a lot of Zeus mistresses. Haara did not
like her and punished her by killing or kidnapping her
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children except for Silah, and transforming Lambia into a monster
that feeds on children or in some versions, Zeus did that.
Not only that absolutely delighted in hunting and terrifying them,
so she not only was hunting them, but she liked it.
In some versions, she gouged her eyes at the loss
of her children. She gauged her eyes out and essentially
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lost her mind, leading her to eat the children of others,
and some stories, Harra actually has the body of a
woman and the tail of a serpent. In many descriptions,
she never closes her eyes so she can see the
terror of her victims, or she was cursed with insomnia
essentially or never being able to close her eyes. Um
so yeah, and other versions of the legend. Zeus granted
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Lambia the power of prophecy and the ability to remove
her eyes, since she had been cursed to never close them,
so she would always obsess over the death of her
children in an attempt to appease her liked. I don't
know about that, man, I don't think that's enough. But anyway,
on top of hungering for the blood of children, Lambia
also had a voracious sexual appetite and enjoyed sucking the
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blood of men. She was often painted as a deadly
seductress and gave birth to a class of supernatural demons.
Her story and fear around it has endured and evolved
for thousands of years. The word itself can sometimes yeah,
refer to this whole class of demons in which is so.
Sometimes it is used for for other things and creatures
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these days. But okay, let's speaking of Let's move on
to Lamashtu or she who are races, a demon that
was often blamed for illness during childbirth and miscarriages. She
bore seven names, so she was sometimes called the seven
witches in Mesopotamian times. She was a daughter of one
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of the greater gods on you, and she manifests does
a creature with the head of a lioness with the
ears and teeth of a donkey, a hairy body and
clawed bird feat. She was believed to cause all kinds
of terrible things, like poisoning of water, tetanus, destroying plants,
causing nightmares, and a fever that would not go away.
She primarily targeted unborn children, though she was set to
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sneak into the homes of pregnant women to touch their
stomach seven times to kill their children. She would kidnap
breastfeeding children and kill them by forcing them to drink
her own toxic breast milk. She sometimes murdered the mother too,
and feasted on the flesh and flood of men who
may or made out have been the father. They're just
men in general. I think many wore amulets to ward
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off lamash do pazuzu and yes, that one from the
Exorcist of the King of Evil. Win Demons is often
depicted driving her back to the nether world. According to
one source I found, and it was a German source
from red so much later so a grain of salt um.
There was even an incantation against the marsh too great
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is the daughter of Heaven, who tortures babies. Her hand
is a net, Her embrace is death. She is cruel, raging, angry, predatory,
a runner, a thief. Is the Daughter of Heaven. She
touches the bellies of women in labor. She pulls out
the pregnant women's baby. The Daughter of Heaven is one
of the gods, her brothers, with no child of her own.
Her head is a lion's head, her body is a
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donkey's body. She roars like a lion. She constantly housed
like a demon dog. And lastly, let's touch on the
Malay figure of Pinagallen. I couldn't find much on her,
but she sounds terrifying and the drawings that exist of
her are terrifying. This is a creature that takes the
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form of a woman's head with long hair, and her
intestines and spine trailing behind her as she glies. She
like removes her head from her body at night, and
so it's just her, her head and her spine and
intestine floating around. A vampiric creature smells like vinegar. Some
say that panagolon is created when a woman meditates, and
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of that a vinegar, that perhaps a woman was once
so deep in meditation that when a man walked in
and startled her, she jerked so hard that she decapitated herself.
I'm leaving her body in the vinegar, And that as
a creature, she soaks her organs in vinegar to make
it easier to reattach them after returning from hunting. In
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many of the stories about her, she is the result
of women practicing black magic. In some versions, it is
a woman who seeks beauty by adhering to a vegetarian
diet for forty days. If she eats meat, before that
time is past, she is cursed, who forever spent her
days as a monstrous creature eternally hungry for the flesh
and blood of pregnant women and children. She might pose
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as a nanny or a nurse wife during the day,
then snatching a child with her invisible tongue through indow
or reaching up through the floorboards with her intestines. To
keep her away, people with lock windows and doors and
board up any entry points like in the floor. Braver
folks might try filling her body with glass, like if
you can find the body that she left behind, you
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fill it with glass so that when she returns to
reattach her ahead and everything, she dies. But yeah, I
thought it's just been interesting. As we said, there's just
these common themes throughout and from these stories, there's just
so much fear and misunderstanding around illness and pregnancy and
miscarriage and childbirth, which you know, in ancient times people
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didn't know, they didn't know why people were experiencing these
things or how they worked, and I'm sure, I mean,
it would be terrifying, And these are the stories we
told people came up with. But it's pretty freaky. Yeah, yeah,
I want to have nightmares, but I'm also gonna watch
more movies. But okay, to end it off, I thought
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we would talk a little bit about bloody Mary, um
and not necessarily the origins, and we will tell a
little bit about that because I think people typically know,
but everybody has some type of I feel like this
is one of the bigger of the say it in
the mirror see shows thing type of thing. Did you
ever try this? Yes, I think, as I said, and
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the last one I did try it. And so for people,
I mean, I'm assuming most people know what we're talking about,
but if you don't, it was like this game you
would play has been popularized in many movies and TV
shows where you would look in the mirror and you
would say bloody Mary, either three times or five times,
depending on the version you heard, and that if she
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would show up, and it was usually like a dark
haired woman in a white dress covered in blood. And
for me, for some reason, like if you did it
and you thought it worked, but you weren't sure, you
were supposed to get in the tub like say bloody Mary. Again,
I don't remember, but I got in that tub because
I freaked out. I regretted it immediately. Did you do it? Yes,
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I just did. The mirror version freaked myself out. I
could not stand in the bathroom in the dark or
anyway with the mirror for the longest time because I
freed myself out for so long. Um, And of course
it's that whole idea. I know different versions what was
supposed to happen. Again, I thought she would appear behind
you in the mirror, and I recall thinking she was
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going to kill you. So I'm not sure why we
were all about this, but yeah, okay, so yeah, mine
was that she would appear and come out of the
mirror and kill you, like you were going to die,
which is dumb, so why would you try to die?
It's I think it's that fear because I was just like,
I want to be afraid because I didn't really believe it,
but it did scare me. Yeah, I scared me. I
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didn't necessarily not believe it, but I didn't necessary like,
I didn't think too hard to do it. But it
scared me to be in the dark in the bathroom
with the mirror because you could also see your own
damn reflection a little bit even aier, but just so
you know, it does originate to Queen Mary Um and
kind of some of the things that played into who
she was what happened with her apparently includes like she
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had really bad mistrel pains. She apparently had thought that
she was giving birth to a baby but never did
um and she had symptoms of as if she was
going to have a child. She also was the daughter
of King Henry, who she you know, he did all
he beheaded every woman essentially, and then she was shying
to like according to this, they says she had daddy issues.
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I'm saying this for them as in like she's trying
to find affection through other men because of the loss
of love of her from her father. Of course, the
marry and persecution happened underneath her, which involved dty men
sixty women being sentenced to the stake, and so she
became Bloody Mary. So she has a whole history and
that's kind of the origination. But honestly, that connection never
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made it to me, like it was so separate from
the that is like what but there's different things like
this could be this and this is why. But she
was nicknamed essentially Bloody Mary because of all the persecution
she did against the Protestants. But there you go. I
want to know, have any of y'all done this, any
of these things and nothing you've seen it? Because I
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think if you've seen him, you to die. But something
weird happened. Yeah, yeah, I mean the power of these
stories is amazing because if it's you know, bloody Mary
is that old? And then I think I had a
particular and a lot of people do. It was like
not her at all. It was a woman who had
been murdered and was looking for vengeance and just these
themes that we see over and over and over again.
But yes, listeners, if there's a story that you want
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to share with us, a legend we miss or anything
as we move into October that you want us to
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Never told your production of Higher Radio. Okay, Annie, I
really wanted to ask you this on the last episode,
and I forgot and I was excited about the movies
because you know, we're talking about all the legends. But
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have you ever gone on any of the ghost tours
that are offered and or have you gone on your
own adventure in an where they're supposed to be else
booklore or a legend or a haunt on your own? Yes,
yes to all, yes, yes, someone who likes her I
have done a lot of ghost tours. Um like Savannah
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and Louisiana are coming to mind, because those are kind
of big lots of ghost stories and Laura around those areas.
I've done that. I think I did some when I
was in Europe and one when I was in a
cave system in your and that's probably the most afraid
I've ever been, but I think had more to do
with the caves and lessen. And then, like I said,
I I do like scary things, so I have I
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have a friend Katie who's been on the show, and
she also likes scary things, and I think we build
each other up. Like I think sometimes where nothing is happening,
we both convinced each other something is happening. So we're
convinced we've seen a ghost, even though like not even
sure I believe ghost. Sorryal, but like when I was
a kid, we convinced each other we've seen this ghost.
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We went like we convinced ourselves there's all kinds of
haunted stuff in our woods, and we would go and
investigate and pick up clues and find like a turtle,
what's blood on it? Ghost? Things like that with blood.
Oh the turtle shell had blood on it. I still
haven't freaked me out. And then we found a mailbox
that was buried and it just had these business cards
that said do as I say and not as I do.
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And I was like, this is a murderer. Things like that,
and then I definitely there were some urban leugends around
where I grew up, and one most of them just
involved like don't go into Dawsonville Forest at night, but
there was one where you would go. Probably a lot
of people have heard this because I think like any
town that has the right hill for this has tried it.
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But it was like you would go and park on
this hill and put yourself in neutral and it would
pull you upboard or something. And there's a scientific reason
for why that works, but of course there's also like
ghost stories around why it works. So I did that once,
and I mean it was pretty weird, but I didn't
really scare me. I was just like, yeah, So I
don't typically do like the savantage ward where they just
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carry you, know, you ride in the horse cart and
they'll tell you about buildings. I didn't do that. Have
I done those? No, I've never done those because I'm like,
it's just getting on a horse and looking at buildings,
which is nice, but I'm like, that's not a thing
I want. Because I for the longest time devoured every
episode of ghost Hunter. Oh yeah uh, And I would
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watch all those and it was hilarious because like every
time anything scary happened, there was nothing. You could barely
see anything, and I was like, what you're supposed to
look at? I don't understand the investigation party you're staying.
So I really was like, I can do this. Let
me do this. And then like there was another one
I can't remember the name of the show. I loved
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him and he would actually travel around the world, but
it would just be like finding that. So if they
would do uh, you know, the whole finding the jetty
and the force in China. I know he visited the
Suicide Forest in Japan for a while and like did
those things and super eerie things. But of course the
night vision stuff maybe even every year still let me see.
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So I was like, why why am I watching this?
But you know that intensity. So I was bound and determined,
like I want to go to these things. So for
my birthday, two of my good friends, I decided to
purchase Ghost Toward essentially a ghost walk which happened at
night near Halloween because it was near my birthday, so
during the October September time. And it's in Roswell, Georgia.
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So for those of you who do not know the
area very well, Roswell, Georgia is one of the small
mill towns that actually never burned down during the Civil
War when Sherman marched through it was salvage, so the
mills still exist and the older buildings still exists. A
lot more history there than pretty much all of Georgia
because it was burned down sadly enough. Don't get me wrong,
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it happened, it had happened, but all of those to say,
we don't have a lot of historical things, and the
mills of Roswell remains, so of course we get a
good amount of tails come from that area, which I love.
So we did a whole tour and I don't know,
I don't think this woman was an actress, Like she
was definitely just like dry talking about whatever is happening.
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So she was a historian, but she was also very
into the ghost world. So she would take us on
in the middle of the night, not middle of the night,
I guess, like e a p m. Seven seven a
pm when it was super dark, got her flashlights. We
had to have our flashlights, and we toured around Roswell
and at one point, like we went by the mills
and she told the story of a young boy running
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out the door and her and her crew witnessed it.
Of course, all of these different tales. And at one
point we were at a I want to say, it's
a some kind of antique store, so it was preserved
and antiques are there and you can see them in
the building, and she's pointing her flashlight up, which was
a gigantic flashlight it starts flickering and doing the flashing,
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and it like she kept hitting it, and she genuinely
seemed annoyed, but she wasn't like associating it. It's a
ghost story that she just did this to the point
that my friend and I looked at each other and
started backing away and looking out at the windows because
she was talking about seeing an old man in the
window whatever whatnot. And she was like, well, I guess
somebody need new batteries. And then we talked to for
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a minute and then walked away, and the the flashlight
started working again, to the point that someone was coming up,
walking up on us, and she thought she knew them,
so she flashed. She pointed the flash at it and
using at him, and it turned out to be a cop,
and he got very angry and yelled at the other
scary part of the tour, like our person was about
to be arrested. But like she did all of that.
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So for a few minutes, I was like, did we
were worried I encounter a ghost or was she just
like an actress? I don't know, I don't know. So
I did that one, and then there was a whole
legend that happens at the University of Georgia. Of course,
you know, you have to have tons of legends at
your schools, and it's always someone who died by suicide
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was not found for days later. And yes, I know
they did because we did a comparison. But there was
one because there, at one point in time, there was
a building and I never understood this, and when I
see anything like this anywhere, because I've seen a couple,
I get really freaked out. There was a stairwell that
just went to a wall and that was the end
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of it, and everybody's like, what is this? And so
the story was told that it used to be a dormitory.
An exchange student was there. He had hanged himself and
because everybody was on vacation, no one saw him. But
of course his corpse smelled up the place, so they
couldn't do anything about it. So they just sealed it off.
And that's the legend of that because no one could
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find the entrance. And and I've been there because we
were like what is this? And so of course we
had that and we try to find the spirit there.
Find that spirit though, good, I guess. So that reminds
me of when we did our episode on the Winchester House,
that's that feels very like stor to nowhere. But we
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were all like, why does this exist? What is this?
It's probably something very simple, probably, I mean to be honest.
They're like, is this and it was cheaper to do
this because it's damaged? Okay, fine, yeah, fine, stories I
did go to I went to the Stanley Hotel, which
is what the Shining is based on. I went during
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July because it's only open, just like in the movie,
the snows get so bad you can only get there
in July, I think. Um. And it was really really
funny because we did a tour of it and the
very kind tour woman went out of her way to
just be like, there are no mean ghosts here, only
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nice ghost I don't know what Stephen King, I don't
know what happened to him that night. I think he
was just stressed. But they are only nice ghosts. They
just are children. They like candy. You just I don't know.
And it was so funny because they kept and I
get why, because they were like, we want you to
have a good they have to know that. Like everyone
there though shining, and like one person is like hotels
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and people like there's the attic. Some part of the
movie is based on it and it has read just
people keep writing red rum on it. And she was
so annoyed. She was like, it's not like that at all.
Stop be smart, I would go. It was very very cute, honestly.
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All right. So all of that is a lead into
our part two on women in urban legends from all
around the world. If you haven't listened to part one
and go check that one out. And just a really
brief repeat of our disclaimer. There will be some gruesomeness
we've already touched on some so apologies. Nothing too in
depth though, and also, as we said in the last one,
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we tried to get the best sources we could. But
these are urban legends, so by nature it's hard to
find like proof, and in fact it purposely almost doesn't
exist because they're an urban legend. It's just the story
people will repeat over and over, usually because of some
morality tale or some lesson some anxietal fear that we're
having is anxietal a word. I just made it one
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um in her in our society, so you know that
being said, all of these are just I mean mostly
they're just stories that we tell and they do like
scars and that's fun. But you know a lot of
facts being here. Not too many facts now, yes, um.
And also we've done a bunch of past episodes related
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to lots of stuff we're talking about. We shouted those
out in part one. You want to listen to more
and you haven't heard those, go check them out because
we we love these kinds of things and we've talked
about it a lot. So all right, So I actually
this one is an interesting one, um, But I wanted
to include it because one of my favorite things about
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urban legends, and we talked about in the last episode
are these like rules are things you can do to
protect yourself or bring favor or whatever it is. I
don't know why, but there's something about that that I
find really interesting, especially as we've said, I don't believe
in them, but I still don't want to mess with it.
So I just find that it's such an interesting piece
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of human nature. So we're talking about the Mistress of
bur Mountain, and I did have a lot of trouble
hunting down info in English for this one. Even though
there are some fairy tales that you can find in Russian,
but I did want to include it because it has
a lot of contradictions and superstitions around it. The Mistress
of the Copper Mountain, also known as the Malachite Maid,
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or also a lot of times referred to as the
ancestor a parallel of the ASoft Girl, is a mountain
spirit frequently associated with the Earl Mountains. The Copper Mountain
is the oldest mine in the Earl Mountains, and this
mistress is both beautiful protector and demonic punisher. Yes. In
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Slavic mythology, she is described as an extremely attractive young
woman with green eyes, a lizard crown, and a malachite dress.
Jewels and lizards feature very often in her story. In
some versions, she's got like an army of lizards that
does her bidding swards. What is without lizards? I know, people,
a lizard apparely does a thing. Huh it is? I
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can't wait till you watch silent anyway, So this this
mistress is viewed as something like a saint for male
miners and a protector of mountain treasures. Treasures she may
allow the mining of or not, depending on a lot
of moral judgments. She'll make the Mistress did not allow
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for other women in her domain. Men who longed for
her patronage were not to marry. She appreciated kindness, goodness,
and skilled craftsmanship and would reward all of those things.
But on the other hand, she punished those that did
not adhere to her rules and were unkind, and she
would punish them with either loss of luck or wealth,
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or even death, even death. Children were told that making
any loud noise near the mountains would incur the Mistress's
wrath because she didn't like loud noises, which I find
funny because that's another contradiction because I feel like mining
can get quite loud. Right. She quote brings woe for
a bad man, which, yeah, we talked about. That's a
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recurring theme and a lot of these about it. Yeah,
that's true. In pavel, Baso first published The Malachite Box,
which was a series of fairy tales, and one of
them featured the Mistress of the Copper Mountain, a tale
Baso had grown up hearing. He went on to include
her and several other stories, and he claimed that her
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story was a sign that miners just missed women, and
then she represented wealth and beauty. Many men saw after
a partner. There's also an interesting essay because there's been
some research done on this legend. A lot of it
went over my head because i I'm not familiar, super
familiar with Russian culture, but there's been some research that
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she she represented like Western beauty specifically, which was interesting.
The Earl Mountains do you have a long history of
being central to that region's industry, whether it was the
mining of jewels or later materials for the military. And
it makes sense that this story really took off, that
it took root and solidified itself in the national psyche,
that men working in the minds would hold on to
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this idea of a beautiful woman who would keep them
safe if they were good and punish the bad, which
I'm assuming you would never think was you mining, It
was dangerous. Many miners died due to the conditions. Some
of you even speculated that workers saw her as a
defender for their rights, even in like the USSR and
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times like that. Something she is an embodiment of Christian values.
Others think that she has undeniably pagan roots. According to
a paper written by Mark Lipovetski, she represents three Freudian
ideas death drive because that's where she lives. Sex drive,
men's desire for her, and castration anxiety are a loss
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of power. So again, there's just a lot going on
in this one kind of seemingly simple story, but there
are reasons these stories are created and get told over
and over and over again. Right, that's interesting. I like
it though, mm hmmmm. It was really fascinating read and
it made me want to look more into the whole
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history of these mountains. And I was like, this is
a different podcast you've got here, but I was looking
at like old mining charts. Of course you did, um did.
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So we're going to talk about La dam lunch, y'all.
I'm struggling with the French and I really want to
make it Spanish, so I apologize beforehand. Um. And she
is also known as the Woman in White, and yes,
there are several variations, as we've already talked about, uh
this lore and it exists throughout different cultures, but for
right now, we're talking about the French lady and actually
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within French culture, but there are several versions of the
Woman in White as well. But there is a differentiation
between Woman in White and laydown Blanche. But as with
most folklores and legends. Uh, there are a lot of
crossovers and variations, So apologies in advance if you think
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that we have messed it all up. But this is
what we saw, so this is what we're going to
talk about. But for this one, the don blanche are
typically seen on bridges or by bodies of waters. And
then there are some versions that also say they reside
by caves, caverns, or ravines, so good to know that too, um,
and they are dressed all in white and it's in
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these locations much like our ferry vampires that we mentioned before.
They also love to dance. Dancing is a big portion
to this, but in this instance it isn't a way
to put you in a trance. But if you refuse
her or you try to stop before she wants to stop,
she's going to throw you into the water and drown you,
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or have an animal coming and assist to make them
eat you. Okay, okay, so just just dance. Okay, you're
just gonna need to dance. But where did they come from? Well, yes,
this is a great question because unlike many of the
other legends, we don't have much of a backstory for
the dumb blanche. They don't really have a really origin um.
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We don't know if he was burned by a lover
or she was locked away from attending a ball because
this is what I'm imagining, say, she loves dance, and
unlike the other lady in white stories in France, which
apparently typically has the tragedy of an unfaithful husband and
the death of their children, which causes her to lash
out against other men and children, which is what this
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lady in white does in France. They she goes after
and may cause an accident or some something for them
to get hurt or die. We don't have that same
backstory for this specific folklore. And they typically don't have
a preference in gender and just likes dancing and according
to one side, is complicated dacy. So I don't know,
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just like you need to know ball room dance or salsa.
I don't think you can break out with an eighties
Roger rabbit dance. I would be great at that though,
But and you have to keep going until she is satisfied.
And one of the best known dums is La Dame
de Prickney, who actually, y'all, my friends, is bad. I
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just said y'all. So I feel like there's a reference
to how bad it is who actually likes to haunt
streets and not necessarily bridges. And according to one guide
about ghost travels, and I want to go to this
by the way, it states that quote, she has no
backstory and no history, but somehow a legend began of
her appearing on what is present day russ Saint Quentin
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Bayou in the northwest of France, and that allegedly she
would greet those who would attempt to pass through the
Narrabra ravine with an extended hand, and it accepted, she
would dance several rounds of the most elaborate dances, keeping
the human for extensive periods of time, before eventually letting
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her partner go. If it refused, however, she would pounce
onto her victim before throwing him or her into the
ditch filled with briars and thorns. Right, So it's a
very interesting kind of legend with no real backstory other
than they are the beautiful version of a troll out
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of bridge, I guess. And instead of answering the riddles three,
you have to dance elaborate dances. So I guess we're
gonna have to figure some of those things out. So
also while we're talking about women in specific colors, where
you can talk a little bit about the Lady in
Red just for frenzies. Um, yes, there are those legends
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with the lady in Red, and I believe we've mentioned
her in our episode in the Power of Red, like
just kind of the whole stereotype and what it often
is in legends, except there's a version, and it's the
typical version. There's no real like area that they haunt necessarily,
but if you go there's lists on lists on the list,
and there's a lot in the US that I've noticed,
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um that there are either a jilted lover or a
prostitute who was killed in a fit of passion, or
sometimes just a vain woman in red, which we've heard
that concept of like oh, she looks she's looking at herself,
the red lipstick type of and then when she appears,
she's either dressed all in scarlet or in a blood
red dress, or she's covered in blood sometimes and she
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that's what based the red right, and it's typically the
ghost who appears throughout different cultures, but not necessarily do
anything delicious like there have never been any real tales
of them doing anything harmful, but just likes to haunt
specific places like again hotels and theaters. Yeah, yeah, I
looked into that one. And I looked into the Lady
in White based on because that's the first episode of Supernatural,
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right is the Lady White White? Yeah? And I what
I found basically was a bunch of like very specific,
unverified stories about checkers or like seeing them on the road,
not even necessary checkers, but like seeing them by the
side of the road. And that's very common actually in
a lot of urban legends are just ghost stories. Yeah.
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So that's pretty much all I could find as well.
But again, listeners, if you've got like a specific story
or something you want to add, please list right. It
seems like the Lady in Red is nicer than the
Lady in White, so maybe we would rather see the
Lady in Red, which is not so much the Lady
in white. She will make you do some things, She's sad,
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She's gonna make you feel feel a certain way about it,
all right, So I wanted to talk about the Nari
Fun or Nary Fun apologies in advance. Um, we did
want to cover things from all around the world. But
that does mean the pronunciation might not be there. And
I tried to look up the pronunciation for this and
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I could not track it down. And a lot of
this story was hard to track down as well. But
I did want to talk about it because when I
was reading about it just immediately caught my attention. So
the nary fahn are the macaifon. It's the type of
tree in Buddhist mythology that grows fruit shaped like young women.
They sprout from their heads and grow from there. And
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this tree grows in the mythical forest at the Hima Faun,
where local men cut them off and eat them. The
nary faun also show up in the vest Centaur Jataka,
planted around the place where the body Satva vest Centaura meditated.
Sorry again trying the best good win and one version
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of the tail. The Buddhist god Indra had a home
at the edge of the forest with his wife vest
Centara and their two children. The Centara couldn't enter the
forest without being in danger of horrifying male creatures, or
in some versions of the story, just lustful men who
had acquired powers by meditating. But we're still like lustful men,
which I thought was a very funny and terrifying commentary
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of men are just monsters in this case okay um
and so to protect her injured, planted twelve nary fund
trees that would grow fruit that looked like his wife
so that she could be safe while picking fruit. The
idea being the monster's foreman would pick the fruit and
take it home, thinking it was wes Centura and leaving
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the real Vsentara alone. But they would take the fruit home,
have sex with the fruit, and consequently fall into an
enchanted sleep for four months and lose their powers. Over
the years, there have been a few news stories of
the purported discovery of the trees um that grew fruits
shaped like women. You can buy a lot of markets
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around their sell I mean generally fake, but yeah, you
can buy buy uh kind of like carvings or even fruit.
There are a few trees that are rumored to bean
eary Fund and several hoaxes around that. Uh. Nary fun
are very prevalent in Thai culture. Yeah, they appear in
common x sold as gifts, popular ambulet and charm um.
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So it's another example kind of this story that is
just really taking heart in in a particular place, which
I also find fascinating. Yeah, that's very fascinating. M Also,
this kind of reminds me of what the short stories
that we had, and the birds were the women. The
birds were the women. It was one of the bloody tails.
(24:25):
Oh yeah, and he turned the women into birds to
keep them. Mm hmmm, I do you remember that that
That's what it reminded me of. And for my last one,
I decided to because y'all, there's something about Japanese ghost
stories that scared the hell out of me. So they
for some reason, Like I just recently watched Juan and
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it's so old and in comparison to a lot of
the other movies and the effects are not over the top,
but it scared me, like to the point that I
was like, I have to watch something else before I
can go to bed. But I love them so much
because they just to me our extra eerie and I
don't know what it is about how they just make
it seem like. But because of that, we're returning back
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to another Japanese ghost or Japanese legend, which is Kashakona
or the slit mouth woman, so super specific um. Now,
the spirit has been around according to one report, for
over eight hundred years, like people have been talking about
it for a while. I did see another report saying
that it was started around century. So this is an
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old tale and she is known as an unreal unio
I'm trying to figure this out, y'all, or a malicious spirit.
And it's often seen wearing a mask or some type
of face covering, and it's often seen carrying around a
sharp object, so it could be a large knife, some
say scissors, very long scissors, but she's carrying something sharp.
And now her origin story is a cautionary tale for
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the women to a not to be vain and be
don't cheat. So those two things co hand in hand.
H So this beautiful Kachu saki Ona was married to
a samurai and she was known to be very vain,
but she was also very beautiful, so both of those things.
And one day, because she could, she cheated on her
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husband at the time, and when he found out, yes,
he was very angry and enraged and gave her something
that is called the Glasgow smile. I didn't know there
was a name for this because obviously with the things
like the black Dahlia, we knew of this type of crime,
and it seemed heinous to me at that point in
time as well. But okay, which is when someone causes
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a scar because they cut into your face that looks
like a smile, yes, by cutting from ear to ear horrifying.
And then he turned around and said to her, who
will think you're pretty? Now? Um? Of course, in another
version it said that she's cut up by another woman
who is jealous of her doing a medical procedure. And
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she is also, in these legends sometimes given sharp teeth,
which would scare the hell out of me, to be fair,
and now she haunts people by asking them the same thing,
do you think I'm pretty? While wearing a mask? So
if you run into a beautiful Asian woman, as says,
do you think I'm pretty that had a face covering,
I would run away. If they say no, she kills
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them with this sharp object she is carrying. Um. If
they say yes, she'll take our covering off to show
her a scar and asks again. And if they if
they say no, she cuts the face and kills them.
If they say yes, she cuts their face to match hers,
and I believe they also die there saying all those okay,
now there is a way to avoid being cut. So, y'all,
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we're here to help you. If you run into this woman.
Instead of saying yes or no when she asks you
if you think she's pretty, say so so or average
or you're okay, which will give you some time to
run away from her, as she's gonna be ok from
this answer. Yeah, I know, I was like, what. Or
you can try to throw some money at her and
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that can work, or some hard candies apparently it has
to be a specific candy called become, which is a
caramelized sugar candy from Japan. So I guess we need
to invest in some things. Or perhaps saying the word
palm made three times and I don't understand why I
try to find this one and there was no reason
behind it, and this palmade is typically a French things.
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I was like that, okay, whatever. Cool. And according to Wikipedia,
because you know, they have a lot more legends than some,
the first written mention of her didn't appear until nineteen
seventy nine. But again, the legend in itself has been
around for a while, and according to one telling of
this legend, there was a period of time not too
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long ago, once said two thousand seven, when children were
being escorted in fear of this type of monster, because
there were records showing of children that were similar to
this type of tale, saying that there was a woman
roaming around asking children things and then following them home
and murdering them essentially. So again, it's not saying that happened,
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and I don't know if that's true because it was
all from this legend site. So but it did put
that in there, and it could be one more of
those again urban legends when we say my cousin's sisters, friends,
whatever type of conversation. So doubt that happened, but it
did scare him enough that the day I actually did
escort some of the children. Again, So apparently Juan and
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the grudge and the ring were kind of based on
these legends. You can see it. You can see the variation,
maybe not of the face and all of that, but
like the woman who cheated or who was found to
have cheated, all of that, and so the husband murders
them in like a brutal way, and she comes and
murders everybody else as well sometimes. So yeah, this is
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kind of that basis um. And if you ever see
any of the drawings again, some of the legends, some
of the movies. It's pretty scary, like it freakes me
out for sure. Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've heard of
this one before and it that like freaked me out.
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Oh all right, Well for my last one, it's kind
of a cheat because I like to cheat here because
it's three Oh my god, Annie, But they're related. They're related,
so and they're kind of similar to what we talked
about with law Urona and the last one. But all right,
we're talking about Pinegal, lamat Shu, and Lambia. And let's
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start with Lambia. So you've probably heard of this one.
It was in It's been kind of the name has
been used for a lot of things nowadays, and it
was in like the horror movie Dragged Me to Hell Lambia.
But all right. In Greek mythology, Lambia was the beautiful
holly out after queen of Libya and a mistress of Zeus.
Is like a lot of Zeus mistresses. Haara did not
like her and punished her by killing or kidnapping her
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children except for Silah, and transforming Lambia into a monster
that feeds on children or in some versions, Zeus did that.
Not only that absolutely delighted in hunting and terrifying them,
so she not only was hunting them, but she liked it.
In some versions, she gouged her eyes at the loss
of her children. She gauged her eyes out and essentially
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lost her mind, leading her to eat the children of others,
and some stories, Harra actually has the body of a
woman and the tail of a serpent. In many descriptions,
she never closes her eyes so she can see the
terror of her victims, or she was cursed with insomnia
essentially or never being able to close her eyes. Um
so yeah, and other versions of the legend. Zeus granted
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Lambia the power of prophecy and the ability to remove
her eyes, since she had been cursed to never close them,
so she would always obsess over the death of her
children in an attempt to appease her liked. I don't
know about that, man, I don't think that's enough. But anyway,
on top of hungering for the blood of children, Lambia
also had a voracious sexual appetite and enjoyed sucking the
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blood of men. She was often painted as a deadly
seductress and gave birth to a class of supernatural demons.
Her story and fear around it has endured and evolved
for thousands of years. The word itself can sometimes yeah,
refer to this whole class of demons in which is so.
Sometimes it is used for for other things and creatures
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these days. But okay, let's speaking of Let's move on
to Lamashtu or she who are races, a demon that
was often blamed for illness during childbirth and miscarriages. She
bore seven names, so she was sometimes called the seven
witches in Mesopotamian times. She was a daughter of one
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of the greater gods on you, and she manifests does
a creature with the head of a lioness with the
ears and teeth of a donkey, a hairy body and
clawed bird feat. She was believed to cause all kinds
of terrible things, like poisoning of water, tetanus, destroying plants,
causing nightmares, and a fever that would not go away.
She primarily targeted unborn children, though she was set to
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sneak into the homes of pregnant women to touch their
stomach seven times to kill their children. She would kidnap
breastfeeding children and kill them by forcing them to drink
her own toxic breast milk. She sometimes murdered the mother too,
and feasted on the flesh and flood of men who
may or made out have been the father. They're just
men in general. I think many wore amulets to ward
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off lamash do pazuzu and yes, that one from the
Exorcist of the King of Evil. Win Demons is often
depicted driving her back to the nether world. According to
one source I found, and it was a German source
from red so much later so a grain of salt um.
There was even an incantation against the marsh too great
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is the daughter of Heaven, who tortures babies. Her hand
is a net, Her embrace is death. She is cruel, raging, angry, predatory,
a runner, a thief. Is the Daughter of Heaven. She
touches the bellies of women in labor. She pulls out
the pregnant women's baby. The Daughter of Heaven is one
of the gods, her brothers, with no child of her own.
Her head is a lion's head, her body is a
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donkey's body. She roars like a lion. She constantly housed
like a demon dog. And lastly, let's touch on the
Malay figure of Pinagallen. I couldn't find much on her,
but she sounds terrifying and the drawings that exist of
her are terrifying. This is a creature that takes the
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form of a woman's head with long hair, and her
intestines and spine trailing behind her as she glies. She
like removes her head from her body at night, and
so it's just her, her head and her spine and
intestine floating around. A vampiric creature smells like vinegar. Some
say that panagolon is created when a woman meditates, and
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of that a vinegar, that perhaps a woman was once
so deep in meditation that when a man walked in
and startled her, she jerked so hard that she decapitated herself.
I'm leaving her body in the vinegar, And that as
a creature, she soaks her organs in vinegar to make
it easier to reattach them after returning from hunting. In
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many of the stories about her, she is the result
of women practicing black magic. In some versions, it is
a woman who seeks beauty by adhering to a vegetarian
diet for forty days. If she eats meat, before that
time is past, she is cursed, who forever spent her
days as a monstrous creature eternally hungry for the flesh
and blood of pregnant women and children. She might pose
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as a nanny or a nurse wife during the day,
then snatching a child with her invisible tongue through indow
or reaching up through the floorboards with her intestines. To
keep her away, people with lock windows and doors and
board up any entry points like in the floor. Braver
folks might try filling her body with glass, like if
you can find the body that she left behind, you
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fill it with glass so that when she returns to
reattach her ahead and everything, she dies. But yeah, I
thought it's just been interesting. As we said, there's just
these common themes throughout and from these stories, there's just
so much fear and misunderstanding around illness and pregnancy and
miscarriage and childbirth, which you know, in ancient times people
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didn't know, they didn't know why people were experiencing these
things or how they worked, and I'm sure, I mean,
it would be terrifying, And these are the stories we
told people came up with. But it's pretty freaky. Yeah, yeah,
I want to have nightmares, but I'm also gonna watch
more movies. But okay, to end it off, I thought
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we would talk a little bit about bloody Mary, um
and not necessarily the origins, and we will tell a
little bit about that because I think people typically know,
but everybody has some type of I feel like this
is one of the bigger of the say it in
the mirror see shows thing type of thing. Did you
ever try this? Yes, I think, as I said, and
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the last one I did try it. And so for people,
I mean, I'm assuming most people know what we're talking about,
but if you don't, it was like this game you
would play has been popularized in many movies and TV
shows where you would look in the mirror and you
would say bloody Mary, either three times or five times,
depending on the version you heard, and that if she
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would show up, and it was usually like a dark
haired woman in a white dress covered in blood. And
for me, for some reason, like if you did it
and you thought it worked, but you weren't sure, you
were supposed to get in the tub like say bloody Mary. Again,
I don't remember, but I got in that tub because
I freaked out. I regretted it immediately. Did you do it? Yes,
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I just did. The mirror version freaked myself out. I
could not stand in the bathroom in the dark or
anyway with the mirror for the longest time because I
freed myself out for so long. Um, And of course
it's that whole idea. I know different versions what was
supposed to happen. Again, I thought she would appear behind
you in the mirror, and I recall thinking she was
(38:27):
going to kill you. So I'm not sure why we
were all about this, but yeah, okay, so yeah, mine
was that she would appear and come out of the
mirror and kill you, like you were going to die,
which is dumb, so why would you try to die?
It's I think it's that fear because I was just like,
I want to be afraid because I didn't really believe it,
but it did scare me. Yeah, I scared me. I
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didn't necessarily not believe it, but I didn't necessary like,
I didn't think too hard to do it. But it
scared me to be in the dark in the bathroom
with the mirror because you could also see your own
damn reflection a little bit even aier, but just so
you know, it does originate to Queen Mary Um and
kind of some of the things that played into who
she was what happened with her apparently includes like she
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had really bad mistrel pains. She apparently had thought that
she was giving birth to a baby but never did
um and she had symptoms of as if she was
going to have a child. She also was the daughter
of King Henry, who she you know, he did all
he beheaded every woman essentially, and then she was shying
to like according to this, they says she had daddy issues.
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I'm saying this for them as in like she's trying
to find affection through other men because of the loss
of love of her from her father. Of course, the
marry and persecution happened underneath her, which involved dty men
sixty women being sentenced to the stake, and so she
became Bloody Mary. So she has a whole history and
that's kind of the origination. But honestly, that connection never
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made it to me, like it was so separate from
the that is like what but there's different things like
this could be this and this is why. But she
was nicknamed essentially Bloody Mary because of all the persecution
she did against the Protestants. But there you go. I
want to know, have any of y'all done this, any
of these things and nothing you've seen it? Because I
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think if you've seen him, you to die. But something
weird happened. Yeah, yeah, I mean the power of these
stories is amazing because if it's you know, bloody Mary
is that old? And then I think I had a
particular and a lot of people do. It was like
not her at all. It was a woman who had
been murdered and was looking for vengeance and just these
themes that we see over and over and over again.
But yes, listeners, if there's a story that you want
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to share with us, a legend we miss or anything
as we move into October that you want us to
talk about, please email us. You can do that at
Stuff Media, mom Stuff at iHeart media dot com. You
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