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June 17, 2009 • 16 mins

Renewable resources can have a major impact on the developed and developing worlds. Find out how renewable resources particularly affect women around the world in this podcast from HowStuffWorks.com.

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From House Towards dot com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast.
This is Molly and I'm Kristin and Kristen. There has

(00:21):
been a lot in the news lately about the green economy.
The green economy is going to save us, get us
out of this trouble, keep the world from ending. Like
the green economy is paramount. Yeah, exactly. It's Uh. By
green economy you mean all of the industry surrounding green
products such as building solar panels, or um nuclear power plants, etcetera, etcetera.

(00:48):
Renewable resource, renewable resources. Yeah, this has become a huge industry.
According to an article I read in the New York
Times a couple of weeks ago, I think twenty eight
states have already said quotas for um having renewable sources
of energy, and billions and billions of dollars are now
being poured into this industry. And lobbyists was just knocking

(01:11):
down the doors of congressmen trying to trying to get
their piece of the renewable energy pie. But you know,
there's pretty much nothing a president can do without garnering criticism.
And one of the criticisms that's been lobbied at this
new green economy, the formation of green jobs, is that
women are not going to be adequately represented. That the

(01:32):
jobs that are in the green econmoy primarily construction jobs,
the kinds of jobs that women just stay away from, right, Molly,
there are some initiatives going on right now to first
of all, train more women to be able to contribute
to the green economy and get these so called green
color jobs. And also people who are trying to think
of more ways to include more female dominated industries because,

(01:55):
like you said, a lot of these engineering, um and
technological industries actors that make up a lot of the
green economy are comprised mostly of men. And it's especially
important because, you know, researchers think that the green economy jobs,
like most construction jobs, are gonna pay a lot more
like this is a really good opportunity for women to
get in make some higher wages. So one of the

(02:17):
steps that's being taken, especially on college campuses I've been
reading is just an education program like here are green jobs,
here's I get them because you know, green's become such
a cliche. We all think we know what it means,
but what does it mean in our own lives? Right? Uh?
I gotta say, you know, when you think about sustainable resources,
renewable energy, it's not something that is constantly on my mind.

(02:39):
I mean, do I feel good about taking the train
to work instead of having to drive my car five miles? Absolutely,
But um, it's not something that that really impacts my
day to day life. And since, like you said, green
has become kind of a cliche, it's just sort of
something where you you, you know, pat yourself on the

(03:00):
back when you go by a you know, a reusable
grocery bag and things like that. And um, I thought
it would be interesting to to take a different view
of what renewable resources mean, um, for women, especially outside
of the United States, because it is linked to a
lot of other huge issues, right right. I mean, we

(03:21):
primarily think about renewable resources in terms of our pocketbooks,
like can we afford to put solar panels on a house? Um?
But in the developing countries, climate change, renewal resources, gender inequality,
and poverty are all inextricably linked. In really interesting ways.
So we thought this would be a really good food
for thought about how we can think about renewal resources
and women all around the world in a united way. Yeah,

(03:45):
and keep in mind, this is Molly and I are
going to kind of give a high level view of
of women in developing countries especially and the impact of
renewable resources. We're going to throw in a few specific examples,
but um yeah, Christians, right, not gonna have time to
do country by country how every single set of woman's effective.
So we're gonna give a high level inner overview first though,

(04:06):
Christian the question at hand, what is a renewable resource?
Renewable resource is uh, it's pretty self explanatory, Molly. It
is a resource, a source of energy if you will, um,
that is can be replenished naturally, and by that I
mean solar energy. The Sun is there, it is going
to continue to give us energy for a long time.

(04:28):
There is wind, there is tidal wave of energy. All
of these things that do not uh, that don't have
a finite limit, such as fossil fuels. True, there are
also not just renewable energy sources, but renewable materials. For example,
you can farm in a way that's sustainable. Sustainable our culture,
forest products, lumber, plywood, paper, they can all be renewable

(04:49):
resources when you produce them with sustainable forestreet techniques. So
it's really a combination of these products and energy sources
that affect women in the developing world. Let's take water. Okay,
in the developing world, water obviously a paramount necessary resource.
Guess who spends all the time gathering water, carving it
back and forth. I'm going to guess women and women

(05:11):
and girls. Yes, you are correct. So studies have been
done that showed that in developing world, women have the
most knowledge about how water needs to be sort of
delivered to a village, how it works for them, but
their opinion has often overlooked when parties are coming in
and trying to design new systems for these people, so
that they eventually put in things that don't work. About

(05:33):
an example of that real quick free Christian There was
this project in Nepaul and the women, Uh, they put
in this new tap, but the women didn't like it
because the stands were like right on the roadside, which
didn't put their needs at all, because they need to
like have room to wash clothes, bathe and as a result,
they didn't even use this new tap that was put in.

(05:53):
They were going even farther to find more water sources. Right.
Sounds like the people who were designing these tabs weren't
going to the primary stakeholders, if you will, you like
that um to find out the optimum place to put it.
And well, when you when we think about renewable resources,
it just to me sometimes it just seems like such

(06:15):
a individual subject. It's just the environment. We're just talking
about the earth. But uh, in in the developing world especially,
you know, there's such a complex interplay of all of
these different factors that you were talking about, just in
that one example in nepal. Um there's a source from
Canadian woman's studies that says that eradicating poverty, expanding income

(06:38):
earning possibilities, increasing gender equity, improving education and health status,
and protecting and regenerating the environment are all related to
equitable access to energy. Like you're talking about, like just
being able to go and and get the water, clean
safe water and bringing it back. Something as simple as that.
We don't think of education, healthcare and all of those

(07:01):
other factors all being combined with this one issue and
it's something that a lot of NGOs and nonprofits are
looking to tackle. Kind of killed two birds with one stone,
if you will. They're trying to tackle this renewable resource
problem and also at the same time creating more gender
equality in these communities and adding more um social equality

(07:23):
for these women. Yeah, it's that's pretty a powerful way
to think about it. That just you know, by doing
something we need to do any way to keep our
earth in viable shape, we can you know, knock out
a lot of this poverty. Uh. We were looking at
some UN reports that of the one point three billion
people living in conditions of poverty or women and so
that's sort of why they're not on this equal level.

(07:44):
There's obviously a lot of cultural social norms playing into it.
Just to continue with this water example, you know, if
you're not spending your entire day walking to find a clean,
renewable source of water, then you'll have more time to
take care of your family at races health rate, at
have more time for education, and you can really start
to break the cycle of poverty exactly. And you were
talking about these studies that are coming out of the

(08:07):
U N and UM. This whole issue of gender equality
and renewable resources is actually part of some of the
Millennial Development Goals that the UN has established. UM. The
Millennium Declaration states that gender equality is both a goal
in and of itself in a condition to combat poverty, hunger,

(08:28):
and disease and achieve all of these other goals. Like
you were talking about. You know, if you if you
solve one of these problems of just say water or
having to go collect firewood for fuel, um, then you
can then you can target all of these other goals
as well. And UM, I thought it'd be nice to
toss in one of these examples of success, uh that

(08:49):
that the U n um use and it is of
women in Nigeria who are able to collectively come together
and actually effectively shut down a natural gas company in
the country that was just burning all this natural gas,
all these natural gas flares coming out of the ground
and it was really dangerous for these these women having

(09:11):
to go back and forth. And UM, they were able
to really come together, UM, both in Nigeria and then
abroad I think in um in the UK, and with
all of their collective actions, they were able to lobby
strong enough to to get the parent company of the
natural gas, UH affiliate to to shut down. And so

(09:32):
the thing is, it is possible, Like it sounds kind
of pie in the sky for us to say, well,
let's you know, let's put a water tap in the
right place and you know, solve the world's problems. But
in fact it can make a huge, a huge difference
because now that these women have seen probably that they
can come together as a cohesive unit and enact change,

(09:52):
probably gives them a little more power in their own
communities as well. And it's more than just water. I mean,
these women are basically creating food for entire populations exactly. UM.
According to once again going back to this, the United
Nations Millennial Development Goals UH, it states that rural women
in less developed countries are the principal basic food producers.

(10:14):
So they're the ones who are out in the fields
tending a lot of these crops that are going back
and feeding the men and children. And so if these
women don't have as much access to information about let's
just say, like incoming storm patterns and um droughts and
things like that that are going to directly impact the
crop production, UH, it's going to have a ripple effect

(10:36):
in the community. And so that's yet another reason why
creating these uh bring more access to renewable resources and energy.
UM to create more sustainable agricultural practices are going to
be so important specifically for these women, right. And you
were talking about not having that knowledge, not being able
to walk around because you know, a culture dictates that

(10:57):
you kind of stay close to home. You can't get
the information. UH that can have really damaging effects in
terms of how climate change affects women. Women are actually
the population that can be most affected by that drought
or by something like a tsunami that rips through a
village as a result of climate change. UM. We were
reading about tsunami and Sri Lanka, and because the women

(11:19):
are never taught how to climb a tree the way
that boys are, many of them perish because they couldn't
get away from the rising tides. Right. And then when
you have these natural disasters or even rampant disease it
might break out in communities. The women are the ones
who are going to be um taking care of the
children and the men who who are most affected by it.

(11:39):
And then you have issues like in in Nepal, women
suffer from bladder problems associated with carrying large amounts of
firewood after they become pregnant because they're having to go
farther and farther distances, you know when when you use
more and more firewood. So basically sort of, I guess
the takeaway that would be awful nice if everyone would
just sort of ask the women where they're coming into

(12:00):
create programs for them about what exactly would serve them.
But right now a lot of these programs are very
gender blind. So that's why we got organizations like i
U c N and the u N going and trying
to figure out how they can have a two pronged
approach to this problem of gender inequality and climate change
or renewable resources. Right there's also an organization Molly UH

(12:21):
that was started up fairly recently called energea looks like
Energy a UM that is totally devoted to UH looking
at the link between these gender issues we were talking
about and renewable resources and finding out how to how
to approach them and solve them as well. So there's
a lot going on. I was really surprised when we

(12:41):
were thinking about talking about renewable resources and how it
might affect women UH to find out that there's this
whole other segment of it that we just really don't
think about. We don't think about it. But you know,
the problem I have when we are researching this Christian
was just how hard it was to kind of wrap
my head around it. It It seems like such a huge
problem them, you know, on its own, renewable resources seemed like,

(13:03):
you know, just this huge mountain to climb. Then when
you add developing world on top of that, seems monumental.
Gender in equality seems monumental, and it becomes so frustrating,
I think, with all these uh, individual examples. But then
I was thinking about this movie that we saw a
few months ago called A Powerful Noise, which was about
how women in developing countries have sort of you know,

(13:24):
it gave a few examples of how women to be
able to rise up, create some better quality, create some
income for themselves, and how that sort of impacts their
entire community. And one thing we walked away from that
movie with was the importance of micro loans. And so
that to me is one way that we can all
take sort of, you know, a concrete approach to solving

(13:45):
this problem for ourselves, right, and the and the movie
that you were reverencing, I think we should say was
produced by the organization Care, which focuses on poverty and women,
and research continually shows over and over again in developing
countries the people who you should target if you want
to create change in those societies are the women, because

(14:07):
they're the ones who are taking care of the children.
They're responsible for the education, for the health care, for
going and getting the food, for even growing the food
and bringing it back and uh, they've made huge strides
in um even in the example that I mentioned earlier
about the Nigerian women. There's a lot that can be done.
It seems overwhelming. There have just been some really heartening

(14:29):
examples recently, as you know, in that movie that we
saw and in uh this U and literature that we've
been reading about how women are really taking advantage of
those assets that they have in their communities and in
using it to improve the lives of their children and
their husbands and their families. So I think at the
end of the day, it is an overwhelming problem, but

(14:51):
there is definitely uh silver lining to yeah. And I
think that if you know, you want to look for
a way where you yourself can make a concrete difference
this whole big issue. A micro loan is something to
consider instead of you know, another reusable grocery bag. Yeah,
check out micro loans flly, No, we should do We
should maybe do a podcast on micro loans. Perhaps we shall. Yeah, well, guys,

(15:13):
thanks so much for listening to us talk about renewable
resources if you want to learn more about them. How
stuff works dot com has a whole section on green science,
so you can read to your heart's content about that.
And Molly and I actually have a new blog on
how stuff works dot com. It's called how to stuff,

(15:35):
where we tell you how to do stuff. If there's
anything that you would like to learn how to do
that it's just been just plaguing you and you can't
figure out how to do it, please send me in
Molly and email and we will maybe tackle that problem
for you on the blog to the best of our ability.
And of course, as always, if you have any questions
or comments for me and or Molly, send specially me,

(16:00):
especially Molly. So yeah, just use an email, simple address
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