November 21, 2025 • 62 mins
While humanity's local solar system appears huge from Earth, it's actually a pretty tiny piece of real estate in the grand scheme of things. And, in recent years, technological breakthroughs have allowed astronomers and physicists to learn more about the things traveling to us from outside our patch of space. In today's episode, Ben, Matt and Noel dive into the story of 3I/Atlas -- along with the experts who believe this thing may not be a natural accident, but manufactured, and perhaps purposely sent, directly to us.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeart Radio.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolan.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined with our guest super
producer Max, the Interstellar Freight Trade Williams. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. Fellas, look up there
in the sky.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Is it an interstellar freight train?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is it a terrified is it?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Is it a dirigible? Is it? Oh? Muamua?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't know, but it's really bright and it's hurting
my eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I know when it's turning colors.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Don't look directly into the light.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Okay, put on your special sunglasses. Guys. We're asking a
question that a lot of people have been asking more
and more often in recent years. The longtime friends, neighbors,
fellow conspiracy realists. There's been this ever present hope of disclosure.
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There've been breakthroughs in technology shout out James Webb. There
have been aviation experts coming forward, and I think it's
fair for us to say that humanity is investigating the
heavens and the ink anew would we agree with that?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, yeah, if you're paying attention in astrophysics world,
I don't know, just over the past two years that
we've really been turned on too. I mean we've always
been turned on too, but just if you look at
new things that new technology is discovering deeper and further away,
a more massive, more exciting, more interesting super novas that
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we're getting to actually observe, black holes that we're getting
to observe. There's so much happening right now out there
that we can see for the first time now.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, I mean maybe I have a mistaken impression.
But hasn't there been a bit of a rollback of
like federal funding for space.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, but you know exploration. We are in one country,
and you know, the astrophysics happens all over the planet
with you know, in countries that prize this kind of
exploration and science.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right. Okay, It's always been a group activity, right, just
like a quilting circle. That's the story of modern astronomy.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
At one point it was a race.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, yes, still it continues. It's a great game. Shout
out to X thirty seven B. Also shout out H two.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Is that Elon Munk's kid?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, that's nice though, I like that Joe.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Shout out to the company's private companies right now trying
to make weapons for space.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Sure, I don't think they're trying. I think they're going
to do it, and shout out to because we are
all adult entities. Shout out to Youratus conspiracy realist. You
can see it on November twenty first. It's going to
be the closest time it comes to Earth recently.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Soon they'll be shooting space lasers at rus.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Are you were talking about urinus?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Guys, I'm going to pronounce it the way that works
for the joke, and Matt is correct. It's uranus, which
makes it no less funny because now it sounds like
p and space. So one of the most fascinating things
we've kept our eye on.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Collectively.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You've heard us talk about this and strange news and
listener mail. You've heard us put some asides in on episodes.
There is a mysterious interstellar object known as slash five
in one or a eleven PL three Z or most
commonly three I slash Atlas all caps on Atlas, and
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some people believe it is a fascinating interstellar comet. Others,
including some highly trained experts, think this might just be
evidence of extra terrestrial civilization. So tonight we're going to
figure it out. What's going on? Here are the facts. Okay,
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So what is an interstellar object?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Something that comes from outside of this solar system?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah? Yeah, it's anything that travels through space without being
provably gravitationally bound to a star. So you can see
some of the first evidence of interstellar objects are what
we call rogue planets, and Matt, you nailed it for
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our purposes today. And interstellar object is any one of
those things that entered our neck of the cosmic woods
from outside.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So it could be, you know, anything varying in size
from like little bits of space debris to much larger objects.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes. And the most interesting thing about it to me
is that the only way science and scientists can say
something came from outside of our solar system is by
looking at where they're going, right, what's their trajectory, what
is it? Just tracing a path backwards basically right, and
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imagining that whatever that object is, it came not in
a straight line, right, because that's not how things work
out there because of gravitational forces, but in a straight
enough line from somewhere far far away. One of the
coolest things we're me talking about today is that that
science is sound and it makes sense. But if there
is anything else weird going on, it might not match
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up with the numbers that we imagine would be there,
and that the science wouldn't match up exactly right, Which
is I think the crux of this episode. What if
some object that appears to come from outside of our
Solar System does things a little differently than the objects
we've already observed around here.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, put the weather and the wents right, and also
the speed which we'll get to here now, space as
far as the humans know, is kind of big. So
it would be logically valid to assume that all sorts
of things pew pew zoom zoom zoom in and out
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throughout the Solar System all the time, and that maybe
correct over the long term. But we have to keep
in mind the Solar System is compared to the rest
of the universe super duper tiny. It's hidden beyond a
triple bullseye yes for something interstellar to hit the Solar System.
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So what is the size of the universe observed by humans?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
See that while the observable universe, says Neil deGrasse Tyson
might call it, you know or any scientists, is about
ninety two billion light years in diameter that we can
hires far. That's right, m hmm. Yeah, And the entire
universe could well be much larger, perhaps even infinite.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And one of those new science things that we've just
been learning is that it appears the universe is in
fact slowing down in its expansion, not speeding up the way.
Again we have all thought for so long.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
We talked about that phenomenon with Jorge Chamm, did we
not a little.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
From science stuff? We talked a bit about redshift, We
talked a bit about the scientific endeavors ongoing to understand
more about perceivable reality. So everybody currently agrees whether or
not there is a big brunch coming, which would be
the bookend of the of the Big Bang, whether or
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not the universe continues to expand or begins to collapse.
In comparison, this little patch of cosmic grass that you
were on right now as you hear this, or at
most in near Earth orbit, it is somewhere between one
hundred and twenty to one hundred thousand astronomical units or AU.
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So the humans, being very self centered, decided to measure
space by the distance from Earth to the Sun, right,
because that's all they new. So an AU is in
a ninety million miles ish or one hundred and fifty
million kilometers, So one AU is you away from the
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Sun right. And humans also, we have to note, have
not been around that long at all and only recently
gained the ability to guess when something is indeed from outside.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh yes. One other thing that we recently learned is
that our solar system is in a weird little spot
in the Milky Way galaxy that is super sparse compared
to other parts of the galaxy, which is we're not downtown,
No we're not. We're out, We're out in the boonies,
the sticks in a very strange way. It's almost like
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we're in a little pocket of mostly not much else.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's a Goldilock zone for sure, is how we put it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, it makes again, it just makes you wonder, is
there is there a reason that we ended up here
in this spot like that? Did that isolation help the
survival of life on this planet.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, before we move on to talking about some of
these objects, I'm going to take that question that you
just pose, Matt as an opportunity to recommend the new
game Katamari. Once Upon a Katamari, where you get to
play the prints of the universe, rolling up tiny objects
and turning them into planets and galaxy dust and exploring
the known universe in the most Japanese af cartoonish way imaginable.
(10:31):
It is an absolute delight. And you know, if you
want to lighthearted approach some of the stuff, I highly
recommend checking it out.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Robert love a Katamari thing, you know, just cook your
pizza rules, which are pal Chuck from stuff you should
know famously hates and denigrates. Yeah, he doesn't like him.
He says they're trash food, not allowed in his.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Means, Yeah, they're trash food. But that's sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right for good Katamari session. Anyhow, We love Chuck, we
love Josh, and we love that you're tuning in here
because we have serious questions since our solar system is
so comparatively tiny, since it is essentially a dirt road
address in an exurb of the thing we call the
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Milky Way. It is fairly unusual, how counterintuitive that may sound,
it is fairly unusual for something to enter our neck
of the galactic woods. It is so rare, in fact, that,
as of twenty twenty five we're recording this Friday, November fourteenth,
human civilization has only three confirmed, proven instances of interstellar
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objects reaching us. They all have the same naming structure
and longtime listeners. You may have heard us a fanboy
out about several of these before. Here's how recently it begins.
The first one is discovered in twenty seventeen. It is
known on the streets as one eye o muamah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, it's fun to say it is. This thing is sick.
I love omuam We've talked about it before. We didn't
do a whole episode on it, did we know?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We did not leave that on it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
We talked about it extensively on our Strange News and
Listener Mail episodes. This thing, the shape of it, it's
just weird. And there's a guy we're going to talk
about later that was obsessed with omuamua, going so far
as I think he he rented a ship and went
out into the ocean somewhere and looked for pieces of
it potentially on Earth.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So what does omuamua mean, Well, it means it translates
to scout or messenger, and you guessed did Hawaiian. It
was first observed on October the ninth, twenty seventeen, approximately
forty days after it passed its perihelium, which is its
closest point to the Sun, that took place on September
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the ninth. And it has some pretty unusual traits that
were observed.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Oh yeah, like Matt was saying, it's pretty small. It's
not an especially chonky boy. Current estimates have it at
between three hundred to three thousand feet long. But in
this tiny package there are tons of mysteries. It's reddish
in color, as though it originated from the outer Solar System,
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and it didn't seem to have the usual aura that
a comet will exhibit when it gets close to the Sun.
The fancy word for an object of any sort getting
closer to the Sun is perillion, and that's going to
be when it reaches the closest point of its travels
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to the local start comets usually exhibit. We call it
a i have such a hard time not saying coma,
but like a comma coma. It's like a little nebula cloud, right,
a little vibe a comet creates around itself as it
out gases, usually pushing out water vapor as it gets
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closer to the star.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And that's primarily because the commets we've observed right come
from somewhere within our solar system, right, either from far
out where the asteroid belt is or from some broken
off piece of something. And there's a lot of water
or solid water ice that's on these things. So as
that ice melts from getting closer to the Sun, it
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shoots out like it it gets heated right by the Sun,
and then it shoots out as vapor, which then causes
if you imagine that we talked about that before. In space,
anytime you are pushing in one way, whatever your large
body is is going to move in the opposite direction, right,
So we're talking about non gravitational acceleration, right. So this
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is as has one of these comets that's within our
solar system gets close to the Sun, heats up, pushes away,
and then moves that comet faster as it gets closer
to the Sun. So that's non gravitational acceleration. It's acceleration
due to that outgassing.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
M M yeah, just so, and well put, we also
want to clarify that Omua Moa is an object of interest.
But what we're talking about with trying to recover stuff
that landed on Earth, we're talking about a purported interstellar
object called CNEOS twenty fourteen dash oh one dash oh eight.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So there's no I'm talking about Omua Moa.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, I'm talking about CNEOS twenty fourteen dasho one dash
oh eight. That's one that that's the one that landed
off the northeast coast of Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
This is the thing, okay, so you're you're yes, okay, right,
that is the thing that landed that. Then Baby Lobe
wanted to find out if there were sphericles that came
from that thing, because that thing he's he stated or
believed came from Omuama.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And that was a point where they could get together
on terra and try to find physical evidence the kind
of stuff you get hold in your hand. I love
the point about non gravitational acceleration because it's it's weird.
It's a it's a possible push, you know, like you
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were saying, maybe due to outgassing, maybe due to the
pressure of solar radiation. And another thing about our pal Omuama,
which has not landed on this planet, is that it
appeared to be tumbling, not spinning. It was kind of
like someone flicked a little paper football. If you guys
remember that game trying to get the goalpost. Do you
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guys ever do that one course?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, little thing he's up like that, like a little
U shaped Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The version of it
where you just try to get it as close to
the edge of the table as possible without it going off.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh man, that's difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's kind of like shuffle.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You see artist interpretations of what they believe Omua Mua
may have fully looks like you can see it on
Space and NASA in a couple of places. It's just
it definitely looks like an elongated piece of rock or
different rocks and minerals and stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and human civilization looked at it and said, you
move weird? Why are you moving? Why you moving weird?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, yeah, And if you let your imagination just go
to kind of weird places, you can imagine maybe a
spaceship looking thing that lost control a long long time
ago and has just been blazing through interstellar space before it,
you know, accidentally runs through our solar system and at
this point it's just tumbling like that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a kind of a crazy thought, but it's
also fun to imagine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's an awesome thought. Let's also point out that scientists
are still puzzling over our bad boy Amua Mua named
after by the way, it's it's Hawaiian etymology is because
the Canadian astronomer who first it clocked it in Hawaii
at an observatory there. So scientists are still like trying
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to figure out what's going on with this tumbly guy.
When a second dude rolls through town, let's call them
two I slash.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Borissole indeed originally called c slash twenty nineteen. Q four
bought us up. This is the first observed rogue comet.
We talked about rogue planets. This is a rogue comet
and the second interstellar interloper. Get out of here. The interloper.
Unlike other comments talking about Haley's for example, and Mark Twain,
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it doesn't appear bound to the gravitational pull of our
son and was first observed on August the twenty ninth
of twenty nineteen, long ago at all, you know, in
the grand scheme of things in the timeline of the universe,
just a few months before it reached its perihelium again,
that's distance from the Sun, closest distance to the Sun.
(19:10):
Rather on December eighth. It passed closest to Earth on
December twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
It's a really good point to bring up in there,
just this concept the comets that we have observed in
the past, unlike these three that we're talking about right now,
these interstellar boys, they're all caught in the gravitational pull
of the Sun. That's why something like Haley's comet is
in this huge elliptical orbit that we get to see.
Right You will hear about this in the news. You
get to see Haley's comment in another X number of years.
(19:38):
I don't know off the top of my head how
many years its orbit comes back into observability for us
Earth dwellers. But all of these major big comets that
you can actually see, we can track them because we
understand their orbit around the Sun and how long it
takes right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
We know the yo yo motion of them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Exactly, but this dude off just barreled on through.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Just it came and went wither and wentce right tough
to predict. One unusual trait of this comet is that
its tail alone was fourteen times the size of planet Earth.
And our boffins at Yale called it humbling, No kidding, guys,
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good point.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, think about the distances between our solar system and
the next stars, right, So if this thing was passing
from some system that had a star in it all
the way through that interstellar space to reach ours again,
just how cold it must have been on these objects.
Just how hardened everything on that comet must have been.
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And then as it, you know, hits our Solar system again,
hits that radiation and begins outgassing. The concept that it
could out it could outgas that much stuff that's fourteen
times the diameter of Earth like that, that's pretty mind boggling.
Just have all of that compression, that compression and all
that stuff and it just kind of begins to evaporate.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It reminds me of holding in piss during a road trip,
you know what I mean, maybe maybe Borisov is going,
are we there yet? And yeah, they hit the they
hit the rest stop?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Is that Adam Sandler sketch? Do you guys remember that
one the longest P No.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I do remember.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And figure out what the bitmus Yeah, yeah, it keeps going.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Ah, that's uh, that's from the same album I believe
where he released pos Car.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yes and the Goat is all up in there is
that along with at a medium pace as well.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Uh, I think you're maybe right now? So much about
my own body from Yes and then the toll booth sketch. Anyway,
we are old, but we are not as old as
these things. In both cases of the one and the
two eye, we see this nomenclature right, this naming structured
number I at the front to identify the object as
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a confirmed interstellar thing. And the reason these only again
three are universally confirmed to be outside of the Solar
System is due to what we call significant hyperbolic excess
velocity and all that means. That's just a fancy way
of saying these cars are driving too fast to have
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started from zero anywhere in this Solar system. They've been
a greeting speed for a long amount of time, and
so with this we fast forward. It's well, the news
breaks July twenty twenty five and astronomers say, we've discovered
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a third object that's called three I atlas. And by
the time they find this, they have had years of
astonishing research in the bag, and this helps them notice
increasingly strange things about the Solar system's third visitor. Also,
they weren't quite sure when they first clocked it. Later
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research shows NASA found it about two months before the
official discovery.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, I remember when it was when the information was
first coming out. We asked Jorge about it, and we
interviewed him on the seventh of July, which means like
it was just a couple of days after that that
we got to ask, like, you know, a scientist about
this thing, because we were so interested. But there was
I think it was a student in Japan. I remember
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we saw something for strange news. It was like student
from Japan seemed to clock something out when he was
looking at some data from one of the I forget
what observatory it was, but it was data just from
an observatory, and he used AI I think to just
kind of crunch some numbers and look at movement out
there and he saw something which then I don't know
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if that is the initiating incident or in the exciting
incident that got NASA and everybody to realize what this
thing was. But I do remember, guys, we talked about
that right after it happened.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hm. And people are still talking about this because most
experts in the field, most of the boffins and the astrophysicist,
will tell you that three I Atlas is an active comet. However,
some other experts, most notably Professor Ave Loeb, argue that
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this may be something else entirely, not some accidental slingshot
of errant matter from out there in the ink, but
instead something with a purpose, something perhaps that was made
and pushed in our direction from possibly another intelligence. That's right, folks,
this is an episode about aliens. What say we pause
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for a break. Here's where it gets crazy. So here, folks,
picture on stage are protagonist for this exploration. Professor Ave
Loebe l o E B. What are his and his
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colleagues actually saying, like? What where is he coming from?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Abvi Lobe was born in nineteen sixty two. He is
a very well regarded Israeli American theoretical physicists. We've talked
about him at length recently, or he's come up often
various various things he has well. Actually, the last time
we mentioned him, it was sort of in the context
of like, just because you're an expert in one thing,
doesn't mean you're an expert in all the things. Cause
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we're gonna get to He is currently the Frank B.
Baird Junior Professor of Science at Harvard. Heard of that,
and a prolific author and generally the kind of guy
that you would want to talk about interstellar objects with.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, and as we establish his bona fides here, let's
also keep in mind that a lot of the stuff
he and his colleagues are saying is often misportrayed in
popular reporting. That's going to be important. So since twenty seventeen,
at the very least, this professor has focused his intellectual
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prowess on the idea of alien spacecraft in our solar system.
So Professor Loewell will argue that things like a Mua
Mua or three I slash Atlas and others may be
potential examples of such a craft. Now crucial point. At
no time, at no juncture in his literature has he
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ever said definitely one hundred percent these are spaceships. However,
he's gotten very very close to saying something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, he gives him a scale which is pretty fun,
and it's basically just a percentage chance that this thing
is controlled by intelligence or just not a naturally occurring
space rock or something like that. It's pretty great. I think.
I don't know. Last time I checked, guys, he put
three Eye Atlas on a four out of ten scale.
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But it's been a minute, so I don't know if
he's changed that or not. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
His most controversial claim, and we've linked to here in
the notes, is that you can go to his blog
by the way, which we recommend checking out if you're interested.
His most controversial claim is that three I Atlas has
a quote one and one hundred million chants of being
natural based on those discrepancies and available data, which is.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's well for me, let's put it this way. Everybody
else in his field disagrees with him.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, the scientific community largely rejects a lot of his suppositions.
Professor loebe hit our radar back in twenty twenty three.
Would he claimed to have recovered that stuff from a
meteor called CNEOS twenty fourteen DASHO one d SHO eight,
which crashed to Earth in twenty fourteen, which is why
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they named it. That this opened this vast floodgate of
speculation and interest, not only in academia but in the
public zeitgeist. Of course, humanity wants to know if other
intelligent life can be proven to exist. I mean, you know,
it's Fermi's paradox all over again, but even better, humanity
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wants to know if this other life can somehow be encountered.
So civilization is primed for news about this. And I
love your point there, Matt. There are a lot of
skeptics out there too. We reached out to contacts in
the field and they were deeply, sharply divided. Some applauded
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his research but were careful to say it's a series
of thought experiments, and others stridently dismissed it a sensationalism
and they were saying, this guy is honestly they accused
him of pulling a grift.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, and you don't have to look far in line
to see people who you know who try to calm
down the general excitement that the public has got from
some of avi Lobe's Medium posts and then some of
his some of the appearances he's made on things like
Joe Rogan recently and then before that, on a lot
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of other places. On every every local news channel has
had Av lob On to talk about this stuff because
it is a really cool story and the way Av
writes about it, you know, on his blog on Medium
there it.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Is compassive, very it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I wrote down here, guys, all the times that we've
been talking about three i AT lists just since that
that July time, and I think I've got five episodes
that we've put out where we specifically talk about three
iatlists and AVI. So I mean, we're doing it. So
we're just trying to make sure. I guess as you're
listening to this and thinking about these things and reading
headlines from things like lad Bible, you know, or Newsweek
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or whatever it comes out, just remember that, as you said, Ben,
I think that's the most important phrase there is. These
are a series of thought experiments. That's that's a really
great way to put it.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
And we're quoting contexts there. We can confirm and this
is a weird one, we can confirm that factions of
US intelligence have been actively monitoring the good professor's research
and activities. This does not prove a conspiracy exist. The
allegations I won't say we the allegations that I have
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heard are that members of the FBI in particular, are
keeping tabs on what the guy is publishing and who
he's being connected with. I do want to give in
full disclosure the note that we see similar allegations in
anything UAP related. So we see a lot of I
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spoke with some people who said that they definitely were
on a monitoring list. I have not spoken with the
FBI to have that confirmed. So we know that this
means there's not necessarily some big, grandiose men in black
situation here. Professor Loeb is able to publish as you will, right,
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and people are able to conduct this research. And I
feel like it's fair for us to say we ourselves
are not astrophysicists. We do not have the expertise to
conclusively weigh in on the legitimacy of the research, but
we read a lot and I think we can all
agree it is important to learn more about three i
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AT lists.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So let's get into what makes three i AT lias different.
Why is there so much speculation about this thing, and
is it possible that there are details about this object
that make it non comment or is it just a comment?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right? Current scientific consensus outside of the good Professor and
other investigators will argue this is at anomalous comment, but
a comment nonetheless naturally produced by the gears and mechanisms
of the universe at large. Yet we would argue the
more you look at it, the weirder our little buddy
(32:33):
Atlass becomes. First off, the age. Okay, so three eye Atlas,
there's hope. We got to get into it first, right,
Three eye at Lias is super duper old. It's even
older than saying six to seven in conversation. It's probably
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from the Milky Way's thick disc, which means it could
be from downtown. What's that NBA jam game? He's on
fire from da check out? It's okay, so it could
be over seven billion years old, making it older than
this solar system and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Other estamates put it at eleven billion years old. So
it's been something that's been changing. Again, it's just as
we get better and better data.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, and Matt, do we want to talk a little
bit about the again? I keep calling it the witherin Wentz.
Do we want to talk about the Wow signal?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, So the Wow signal concept with relation to the
three eye Atlis is something that Auvi Low put out
into the world. He made a medium post and he
said something to the effect of that three iye atlas
arrived to our solar system in a direction quote coincident
with the radio Wow signal to within nine degrees. You
can you can check it out if you want to.
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A lot of other astronomers have said things like the
Wow signal within nine degrees is a crazy distance away
if you think about how far away nine degrees actually is,
you know, when you expand out into the cosmos as
it goes as well as a lot of people don't
even agree that the Wow signal, you know, is actually
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a signal that came from interstellar space and that it
was maybe an anomaly within a system or you know,
we've done an episode on the Wow signal. There are
a lot of questions remaining about.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That, but it is. It is again fascinating, and I
really appreciate you for pointing out, Matt that nine degrees
immediately is very small, but nine degrees over light years
is pretty big. This brings us to the size of
our buddy three I atlas. Okay, so a comet has
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a nucleus that that's the little like the little pit
of the cherry, and the nucleus here is estimated to
be between point two to three point five miles, which
feels like a big variance. But again we're dealing with
pretty large margins of error here, are we not.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, that's the diameter, right, So three and a half
miles is pretty huge, or you know, zero point two
miles still pretty big. And ultimately we're talking about the
solid thing that is at the center, right, the thing
that gives it the most mass, that causes it to
accelerate in the way that it does.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I don't know, it's like your earlier TUTSI pop example,
of course.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yes, yeah, it is like that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
How many licks does it take? Well?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And the concept here is is it too big? Again?
If you're doing the thought experiment stuff like Aviy Lob
is doing, is it too big to be a supposed
spacecraft of some sort? Is it if you can imagine
it as a mothership? Is it this giant mothership as
he had speculated about kind of early on, is it
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a mothership that's gonna let out other smaller craft or
ships as it gets well, yeah, as it gets the
perihelium close, as it gets to the star or our sun.
There's so much speculation that goes into that that deals
with the nucleus nucleus and what it actually is. If
it's like a comet though, it's like it's just star stuff, right,
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that's kind of compressed and condensed down into that thing,
which is usually rock and other minerals and ice.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, but not a ton of nickel. And that's where
we get to another thing that's very weird. The third
issue is this big one fellow conspiracy realist three I.
Atlas has some very strange chemical composition. This is not
a controversial claim by our good professor Loweb. This is
(36:51):
something that everybody agrees on. If you look at the
chemicals it is emitting, if you look at the composition
the material science, then as far as we know, our
buddy Atlas is super duper weird.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, that chemical plume where it's off gassing, right, the
stuff that might cause that non gravitational acceleration.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That stuff a little fart in space, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
By long part, right, it's a long part that you
should no longer observe after it's out there. But it's
crazy to think though. You're talking about in space, so
that gas is still there, just hanging out. You just
can't observe it with your eyes anymore, or you know,
we probably never really could, but we can observe it
with some of the visual telescopes that we have to
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observe this thing, so you're looking at more of chemical signatures.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah. Basically, what we're telling you, folks is that while
you might not observe it on your own, you were
getting crop dusted so hard by comets. They get close
to the Sun and they fart. That's the off gasing. Okay, yes, okay,
a bit of a bit of a Dutch oven. If
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the atmosphere is the covers, I love it. Atlas has
a pretty high ratio of carbon dioxide to water vapor,
so as far as we can tell, it's about seven
point six, which is outside of the realm of expectation
for your typical solar system comets like your Haley's comet
(38:27):
or something, and the coma or the comma. It has
not just water, ice and vapor, it also has carbon monoxide,
carbonyl sulfi, it has cyanide gas. This is beyond unusual
for your guard a variety Haley's comet. I don't know
why it sound like the Ghost of Christmas present on
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that one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, because the season. Well it's very weird again for
comets that originate in this star system, Right, that's weird.
But maybe it's not so weird for a comment that
comes from wherever it came from. That's just more naturally
occurring there.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Maybe our boys are the weird ones.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, yeah, that's right. But the weird thing is the nickel.
The nickel is pretty widely accepted as an anomaloust thing.
I mean it is an anomalous thing. It has to
do with where that nickel showed up and when it
showed up, because it started it started outgassing nickel pretty
early before it got too close to the sun where
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you would imagine that would occur. And it also has
some anomalous what is it nickel to iron ratios, So
usually you would see a lot more iron out gassing
if you're seeing nickel out gassing, but in this case
it was more nickel than iron, which is weird, but
not you know, it doesn't. It's not proof of anything.
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It's just weird.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And most of these things would fall under the category
of what most scientists on the case would just call anomalists.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, right, a genuine anomaly.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yes, which you know, there's a reason that word exists.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's unusual, which makes it interesting, which does
not necessarily prove a conclusion. So our buddy Darryl Z.
Siegelman and Rohan Rata Gondkar, they're the ones who determined
that Atlas is emitting or was emitting, this glowing nickel
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vapor and was emitting it at temperatures that, as far
as humans know, we're too cold for metals to normally vaporize.
So what gives becomes the question, and then that prompts
the conversation about the speed and trajectory. This Atlas guy
is following what we call a hyperbolic path, So it's
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like a rope comet. It's not gravitationally bound to the sun.
We can't predict when or if it will return, but
its orbital eccentricity is so high that it's true jectory
appears almost straight, as though someone fired a bullet from
a gun, far far away, which I think is fascinating.
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This is also way faster than the vast majority of
comets that are recognized by civilization are supposed to be.
This is a ferrari blowing through a school zone, like
redlining it essentially. I don't know if that happens in
all parts of the world or the United States, but
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I think in our neck of the woods, anytime you
get to a school zone, there's that little sign that said,
what is it twenty five thirty five miles per hour?
Five twenty five Who I got away with some stuffy
Our body Atlas is traveling. As far as we could tell,
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as it was getting to brillion, it was traveling at
forty two miles a second or sixty eight kilometers second.
For the rest of the world, that is way faster
than it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, it's tough because I don't know enough to know
how much of a difference ideas than what we we expected.
But I would just I would imagine through a general
understanding of how things function, that if it is traveling
from where it's traveling from, it gained a ton of acceleration,
and then if it is as massive as it is
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believed to be, and it's interacting with the gravitational pull
of the Sun and getting that slingshot effect. I mean,
it's already faster than it should be because it's entering
faster than it should be right to our solar system.
Then it gets that pole, and it's also going not
too close to, but pretty close to other massive planets
before it hit perihelium there. So I just don't understand
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the math or the science enough to be like, is
that too weird?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, unless we sound sensationalistic. As far as we understand
the what we'll call like a long period comet, a
thing that takes a while to return, it's typically going
to be going about thirty to a little over thirty
two miles per second, so forty two miles per second,
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about ten miles per second faster that it should be,
but the seconds add up. This is crazy. Well, I
get a little freaked out the more I think about
this thing.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, that's the other thing, guys, I genuinely don't know
the average mass of observed comets within our solar system.
You know, I don't know what that is. It's like,
is this thing like extremely larger? But again to our
best understanding of what we've been able to observe thus far.
(43:51):
I don't know, because I think that mass could have
a big effect on how fast it's actually moving. Man,
there was another thing about polarization. Did you hear about
this guys? It's apparently it has a negative polarization on it.
That is, most commets or a lot of comets have
negative polarization that have been observed inside the solar system.
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This one is significantly more polarized.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I guess polarization in terms of like magnetic force.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes, asteroids and commets generally have some form of negative
polarization that we observe. This one is just a lot more.
It's abnormal. There are a lot of people, again, like
not just off below, but other people out there saying, hey,
that's that's a little weird, how negatively polarized this is.
But again, is it just the thing that occurs in
(44:45):
the other place where it came from, you know, or
is it uh? Is it something else?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Also, let's point this out Atlas was kind of constipated
comment wise, But what we mean is as our pal
shot closer and closer to our home start runner, hahaha, whatever,
it did not behave like a typical comet, the typical
garden variety solar system comet that humans are familiar with.
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It starts farting or out gassing as it gets closer
and closer to the Sun, emitting water vapor well in
advance of the approach. Now, for some reason that has
yet to be determined, three I Atlas delayed its outgassing.
It did eventually show this activity, but it did it
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much later than everything we know has taught us to expect.
Its parillion was like two hundred million clicks from the
Sun AU units. That would be one point four so
like one point four times the distance between the Sun
and the Earth. It was on the opposite side of
the Sun to the Earth, so a little bit more
(45:56):
difficult to observe. It also colors a bunch of times,
Oh my gosh, there's so much more to get to
about this guy. Afterword from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
There's reporting out there that makes things seem way more
wild than they actually are, and that's not obvious fault.
He's pointing things out, and then people are taking his
you know, statements, and then making a huge deal about.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
It, just running with it like the radio waves.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, yes, because it did this. This this object did
get brighter faster than any known comment. So that's interesting, right.
It just all of a sudden like it's like it
turned on or something, and it got much much brighter
than normal. Again, a real anomaly. It was stayed in
one of the obvious medium posts that they got bluer
(46:47):
than the sun, which.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Was just kind of a weird thing, a little poetic.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, But we we talked earlier on our Strange News
episodes about the anti tale and how that was a
bunch was made about that, and anti tail means that
that outgassing is occurring, like pushing materials all that co two.
We're talking about those gases, the nickel that's pushing it
towards the Sun. It acted in a way that seems
(47:12):
pretty dang weird, but it is still it's a thing
that we've observed in comets before that occur within the
Solar system. It just did things a little differently, the
same stuff, just a little differently.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, specifically in the writing that we're talking about, Professor
Loeb says, quote, this raises a new anomaly of three
iat lists that must be explained by those who wish
to shove the anomalies of three iat lists under the
carpet of traditional knowledge on Solar system comets or rather
than consider alternatives, and it gets juicier. He also has
(47:49):
a very nice quote about Albert Einstein, or from Albert Einstein.
He gets juicier because he says, quote technological thrusters which
point their exhaust toward the sun ele rate away from
the Sun. This post perihelian maneuver might be employed by
a spacecraft that aims to gain speed rather than to
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slow down through the gravitational assist from the Sun. So
the slingshot like we talked about in our weekly Strange
News segments.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, exactly, a spaceship would be able to accelerate in
whatever direction it needs to accelerate to accomplish whatever task.
So as as this thing, whatever it is, this commet
or other, was entering perihelium, and as it's getting towards
the Sun, there the thought that AVI was putting out
was that these jets that we're seeing may be maneuvers
(48:39):
that it's making, right, and the super exciting thing kind
of didn't happen. The exciting thing was before it got
to that point, AVI was talking about how well what
if it changes its trajectory and his heads closer to
Earth than is expected as Earth is moving around the
Sun and this thing continues to move on its path,
or what.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
If it alters its trage in any direction?
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh yeah, any direction would have been a whole crap,
something's happening. But if it was coming towards Earth, it
would have been a well, guys, it was nice knowing you.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We also, if it's okay with guys, I want us
to go back to the radio waves thing, because that
was another big wait and see what happens moment. Noel,
can you tell us a little bit more about what
was going on with the idea that three Ia Atlas
was suddenly transmitting radio waves?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah, for sure. Some astronomers at South Africa's mere Cat
radio telescope saw that radio waves were being emitted from Atlas,
and at first they were hoping, like many you know
folks in this position, they're doing it out of passion,
They're doing it out of a sense of you know, belief,
(49:55):
and you know, Benu, I've heard of them. Is I
want to believe folks? Is accurate? Calling back to the
X file.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well, well, here listen to that statement. They are radio
signals coming from the comet thing, right, Like if you
if you hear that or you read that on headline,
then what does your brain do? Brain deep deepep right,
your brain imagines what we know of radio signals, right.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh for sure. And speaking of X Files, I just
want to take this opportunity to quickly recommend the new
Vince Gilligan show Pluribus, which deals with radio transmissions from
far far away and was actually inspired by the Wow signal,
and so a lot of this kind of stuff you see,
like I believe it's either at SETI or like a
giant array of radio telescopes. The first scene of the
show when they're detecting this signal that's been transmitted from
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light years and light years away, and that same level
of passion and excitement and like, oh what could it
possibly be? Is draumatized incredibly. Well, there's only two episodes
out now. I think by the time this comes out
there'll be three. But it is Vince Gilligan back to
his X Files roots. He was obviously the creator of
Breaking Bad, but also a staff writer on later seasons
of The X File. So un fortunately they ultimately these
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folks in South Africa concluded that these signals were the
result of specific types of wavelength absorption related to certain
chemical makeups the hydroxyl radicals or H molecules in the
comets Comma or Coma. Just kind of like an aura
if you think, yeah, mm hmm, yep, definitely so according
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to larger and more current scientific and senses, that's all
explained by simple well not simple for us layman, but
astro physically speaking, simple concepts.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
So they're saying we found an anomaly. We have explained
to at least our satisfaction and anomaly. The think is,
with three I at lists right now, there are things
that are very difficult to explain based on what human
civilization understands about interstellar objects. You know, again, very few
(52:01):
examples or understands about your garden variety comment. So, regardless
of how you feel about the good professor or the
idea of extra terrestrial life, reaching this old ball a dirt, sorry,
I should say a nicer thing about planet Earth because
we all we reside here. What's a nice poetic way
(52:24):
to refer to Planet Earth? Little blue Pearl, the blue Dot,
the pale blue dots, Spaceship number one spaceship.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
The only confirmed place with biodiversity, oxygen, abundant water, and delicious,
delicious case ideas God's favorite marble.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I love all of these and thank you for the
case DIA reference, Matt. Also, I love the idea of
Atlas actually being a spaceship and saying that Earth is
not biodiverse enough. They're like, well, wow, ninety nine of
the life here is carbon based, lame.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
We just need to take out this one species and
will be good.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, sorry sorry, Uh wait, what's the most innocuous species? Uh,
it can't be humans. He's definitely talking, definitely talking about humans.
But if there was one that doesn't deserve to be
picked on yet.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
They're always looking at our radio waves pas heerbacks.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
They're like, they're like, we shoot out these ageless spaceships
to eliminate mirror CAATs. Those monsters.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
They're always looking around.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
They're always fiddling with stuff. It looks sketchy little human hands, yeah,
big eyes. I don't trust their eyes.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
So singing songs with their warthog pals.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Now, if you are the average to Moon and Pumba,
you may be asking what could this mean for the future.
As we record three, I at lists is on the
way out. You can check the latest tracking on various websites.
We recommend atlascomment dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh yeah, and avilobe dot medium dot com. Definitely go
there and at least read what's going on. One of
the craziest things that has occurred through all of this
three I Atlas hubbub is that on October second and third,
there was a camera on board the Mars reconnaissance or orbiter,
the high Rise Cameras what it's known as. It took
(54:27):
images of THREEI Atlas that were some of the highest
resolution images that have ever been captured of this thing.
And because the government was shut down, at least that's
the excuse given NASA has not released any of those images.
They still have it as we're recording this on November fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Hopefully on the way though post government shutdown. I was
looking at that as well, Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
But Avy's been making a big stink about it, I
think in a good way. He's been talking about it
a lot, and it is. It's definitely one of those
things that it would be nice to see, not that
it's going to prove that it's an alien spaceship, but
just how awesome would it be to see super high
resolution images of this thing that we're all so curious about.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, we always applaud science taking precedent over political concerns. Yeah,
that's a big part of the issue here. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Well, and then there's guys, there's other stuff happening in
the news right now. If you're searching for three EYE
at lists, you're going to see a bunch of a
bunch of writing about other comments that are of this
solar system that have been observed. There has been a
bit of a connection by AUVI and some other people
two three I atlas with these comments. Somehow did was
(55:40):
this in some way related to three I atlas. There
are people from NASA, Space, dot Com, Live Science, a
bunch of people talking about how no, there's no connection
with these and three I atlasts. You can look up
the things. We'll just give you some of the names
so you can do some searching. See Slash twenty twenty
five vs. Borisov Is one. It's a newly discovered comet.
(56:03):
It approached the closest to Earth at least as of
right now, on November eleventh, just a few days before
we're recording this. And then There's another large one that
has a very similar name, c slash twenty twenty five
K one at liss. This one was observed breaking apart
into at least three pieces. You can read about it
(56:24):
on space dot com. You can search for Comet c
slash twenty twenty five K one Atlas splits into three
pieces after a close brush with the sun. It is
set to make its closest approach to the Earth on
November twenty fifth, so a little before Thanksgiving. And then
the closest approach for three I at lis guys is
in December, at some point December nineteenth of this year,
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so just look out for those dates.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, and we know that there's more and more strange
stuff in the sky. We hope you're following the news
as closely as we are, folks, And we want to
want to end with a you know, debate and discourse,
controversy aside. We want to end with a tremendous thank you,
(57:12):
an acknowledgment of the hard work of the astrophysicist, the
astronomers involved. You are the folks who are responsible for
advancing scientific understanding. We know it's always been a situation
where you get caught up with funding you gets some
(57:33):
kind of political speed bumps, So thank you for staying
the course. I think we end with a statement from
the good Professor himself. He wrote a famous and controversial
paper called our Neighbor's Grass May Not Be Green from
twenty twenty, and he often references this analogy when he's
(57:56):
on a show, or he's on a podcast, or you know,
when people reading the papers. Please read his research, because
he gets a lot of you know, those scary, sometimes
hyperbolic questions like is a possible alien civilization specifically targeting
life on Earth?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Is it a dark forest thing? Is it a star
trek thing? Like? Should we feel good or bad about
these possibilities? Here's what he says. It's kind of a bummer.
It's also pretty beautiful, and we're not going to do
the voice. He says, quote, it is presumptuous to assume
that we are special and worthy special attention from advanced
(58:38):
species in the milky way. We may be a phenomenon
as ordinary as ants are on a sidewalk. When crossing
a sidewalk, we never paid tribute to every ant along
our path? What do you guys think about that? Like?
Maybe I mean it's it's kind of a bummer, not
so mean.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Well that's true. I mean, you know, back to the
Katamaria of it all. You know some things that just
like beyond our perview.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Well yeah, I mean, how many ultrons are out there?
Maybe there's a species of ultrons that we just haven't
countered yet.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
How many kings? How many doctor dooms by the way,
a spoiler for secret works.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
How many doctor do look but like like star sized beings.
Maybe that is a thing that we just haven't come
across yet, right, I mean, that's who knows. It's crazy
to imagine that stuff. I don't know, would you guys?
I'm going to shout out one article really quickly. It's
a news article that has it's some of the most
(59:39):
link dense writing that I've seen in a while. It
comes from Science Alert and Michelle Starr from November thirteenth.
This is the title, and it is definitely leaning towards
skepticism when it comes to three I Atlas, but it's
a really good place to find at least what the
scientific community at large is thinking about all of this stuff.
The title is, don't panic. Three Eye Atlas isn't an
(01:00:01):
alien death probe, but it is wildly unusual. It's kind
of writing that line between here's the anomalist stuff, but
also here's why. It's probably not of alien origin, and
it just links to absolutely every single thing that has
occurred over the course of three eye Atlis's life of
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being observed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
So do check that out, folks, Please do also go
back to that quote we shared from doctor Loweb himself.
We have to ask whitherin Wentz three I Atlas, current
civilization is not sure? Could this be a natural, albeit rare,
anomalous phenomenon. Could it be something else? When it comes
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolan.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined with our guest super
producer Max, the Interstellar Freight Trade Williams. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. Fellas, look up there
in the sky.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Is it an interstellar freight train?
Speaker 3 (00:51):
Is it a terrified is it?
Speaker 2 (00:54):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Is it a dirigible? Is it? Oh? Muamua?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
I don't know, but it's really bright and it's hurting
my eyes.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I know when it's turning colors.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Don't look directly into the light.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
Okay, put on your special sunglasses. Guys. We're asking a
question that a lot of people have been asking more
and more often in recent years. The longtime friends, neighbors,
fellow conspiracy realists. There's been this ever present hope of disclosure.
(01:25):
There've been breakthroughs in technology shout out James Webb. There
have been aviation experts coming forward, and I think it's
fair for us to say that humanity is investigating the
heavens and the ink anew would we agree with that?
Speaker 2 (01:42):
I mean, yeah, if you're paying attention in astrophysics world,
I don't know, just over the past two years that
we've really been turned on too. I mean we've always
been turned on too, but just if you look at
new things that new technology is discovering deeper and further away,
a more massive, more exciting, more interesting super novas that
(02:04):
we're getting to actually observe, black holes that we're getting
to observe. There's so much happening right now out there
that we can see for the first time now.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
You know, I mean maybe I have a mistaken impression.
But hasn't there been a bit of a rollback of
like federal funding for space.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
Yes, but you know exploration. We are in one country,
and you know, the astrophysics happens all over the planet
with you know, in countries that prize this kind of
exploration and science.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
Right. Okay, It's always been a group activity, right, just
like a quilting circle. That's the story of modern astronomy.
Speaker 4 (02:44):
At one point it was a race.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Yes, yes, still it continues. It's a great game. Shout
out to X thirty seven B. Also shout out H two.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
Is that Elon Munk's kid?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
No, that's nice though, I like that Joe.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Shout out to the company's private companies right now trying
to make weapons for space.
Speaker 3 (03:04):
Sure, I don't think they're trying. I think they're going
to do it, and shout out to because we are
all adult entities. Shout out to Youratus conspiracy realist. You
can see it on November twenty first. It's going to
be the closest time it comes to Earth recently.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Soon they'll be shooting space lasers at rus.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
Are you were talking about urinus?
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Guys, I'm going to pronounce it the way that works
for the joke, and Matt is correct. It's uranus, which
makes it no less funny because now it sounds like
p and space. So one of the most fascinating things
we've kept our eye on.
Speaker 4 (03:45):
Collectively.
Speaker 3 (03:47):
You've heard us talk about this and strange news and
listener mail. You've heard us put some asides in on episodes.
There is a mysterious interstellar object known as slash five
in one or a eleven PL three Z or most
commonly three I slash Atlas all caps on Atlas, and
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some people believe it is a fascinating interstellar comet. Others,
including some highly trained experts, think this might just be
evidence of extra terrestrial civilization. So tonight we're going to
figure it out. What's going on? Here are the facts. Okay,
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So what is an interstellar object?
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Something that comes from outside of this solar system?
Speaker 3 (04:49):
Yeah? Yeah, it's anything that travels through space without being
provably gravitationally bound to a star. So you can see
some of the first evidence of interstellar objects are what
we call rogue planets, and Matt, you nailed it for
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our purposes today. And interstellar object is any one of
those things that entered our neck of the cosmic woods
from outside.
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
So it could be, you know, anything varying in size
from like little bits of space debris to much larger objects.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yes. And the most interesting thing about it to me
is that the only way science and scientists can say
something came from outside of our solar system is by
looking at where they're going, right, what's their trajectory, what
is it? Just tracing a path backwards basically right, and
(05:50):
imagining that whatever that object is, it came not in
a straight line, right, because that's not how things work
out there because of gravitational forces, but in a straight
enough line from somewhere far far away. One of the
coolest things we're me talking about today is that that
science is sound and it makes sense. But if there
is anything else weird going on, it might not match
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up with the numbers that we imagine would be there,
and that the science wouldn't match up exactly right, Which
is I think the crux of this episode. What if
some object that appears to come from outside of our
Solar System does things a little differently than the objects
we've already observed around here.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
Well, put the weather and the wents right, and also
the speed which we'll get to here now, space as
far as the humans know, is kind of big. So
it would be logically valid to assume that all sorts
of things pew pew zoom zoom zoom in and out
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throughout the Solar System all the time, and that maybe
correct over the long term. But we have to keep
in mind the Solar System is compared to the rest
of the universe super duper tiny. It's hidden beyond a
triple bullseye yes for something interstellar to hit the Solar System.
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So what is the size of the universe observed by humans?
Speaker 4 (07:23):
See that while the observable universe, says Neil deGrasse Tyson
might call it, you know or any scientists, is about
ninety two billion light years in diameter that we can
hires far. That's right, m hmm. Yeah, And the entire
universe could well be much larger, perhaps even infinite.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
And one of those new science things that we've just
been learning is that it appears the universe is in
fact slowing down in its expansion, not speeding up the way.
Again we have all thought for so long.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
We talked about that phenomenon with Jorge Chamm, did we
not a little.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
From science stuff? We talked a bit about redshift, We
talked a bit about the scientific endeavors ongoing to understand
more about perceivable reality. So everybody currently agrees whether or
not there is a big brunch coming, which would be
the bookend of the of the Big Bang, whether or
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not the universe continues to expand or begins to collapse.
In comparison, this little patch of cosmic grass that you
were on right now as you hear this, or at
most in near Earth orbit, it is somewhere between one
hundred and twenty to one hundred thousand astronomical units or AU.
(08:43):
So the humans, being very self centered, decided to measure
space by the distance from Earth to the Sun, right,
because that's all they new. So an AU is in
a ninety million miles ish or one hundred and fifty
million kilometers, So one AU is you away from the
(09:08):
Sun right. And humans also, we have to note, have
not been around that long at all and only recently
gained the ability to guess when something is indeed from outside.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
Oh yes. One other thing that we recently learned is
that our solar system is in a weird little spot
in the Milky Way galaxy that is super sparse compared
to other parts of the galaxy, which is we're not downtown,
No we're not. We're out, We're out in the boonies,
the sticks in a very strange way. It's almost like
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we're in a little pocket of mostly not much else.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
It's a Goldilock zone for sure, is how we put it.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, it makes again, it just makes you wonder, is
there is there a reason that we ended up here
in this spot like that? Did that isolation help the
survival of life on this planet.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Well, before we move on to talking about some of
these objects, I'm going to take that question that you
just pose, Matt as an opportunity to recommend the new
game Katamari. Once Upon a Katamari, where you get to
play the prints of the universe, rolling up tiny objects
and turning them into planets and galaxy dust and exploring
the known universe in the most Japanese af cartoonish way imaginable.
(10:31):
It is an absolute delight. And you know, if you
want to lighthearted approach some of the stuff, I highly
recommend checking it out.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
Robert love a Katamari thing, you know, just cook your
pizza rules, which are pal Chuck from stuff you should
know famously hates and denigrates. Yeah, he doesn't like him.
He says they're trash food, not allowed in his.
Speaker 4 (10:51):
Means, Yeah, they're trash food. But that's sort of.
Speaker 3 (10:55):
Right for good Katamari session. Anyhow, We love Chuck, we
love Josh, and we love that you're tuning in here
because we have serious questions since our solar system is
so comparatively tiny, since it is essentially a dirt road
address in an exurb of the thing we call the
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Milky Way. It is fairly unusual, how counterintuitive that may sound,
it is fairly unusual for something to enter our neck
of the galactic woods. It is so rare, in fact, that,
as of twenty twenty five we're recording this Friday, November fourteenth,
human civilization has only three confirmed, proven instances of interstellar
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objects reaching us. They all have the same naming structure
and longtime listeners. You may have heard us a fanboy
out about several of these before. Here's how recently it begins.
The first one is discovered in twenty seventeen. It is
known on the streets as one eye o muamah.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
Yeah, it's fun to say it is. This thing is sick.
I love omuam We've talked about it before. We didn't
do a whole episode on it, did we know?
Speaker 3 (12:17):
We did not leave that on it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
We talked about it extensively on our Strange News and
Listener Mail episodes. This thing, the shape of it, it's
just weird. And there's a guy we're going to talk
about later that was obsessed with omuamua, going so far
as I think he he rented a ship and went
out into the ocean somewhere and looked for pieces of
it potentially on Earth.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
So what does omuamua mean, Well, it means it translates
to scout or messenger, and you guessed did Hawaiian. It
was first observed on October the ninth, twenty seventeen, approximately
forty days after it passed its perihelium, which is its
closest point to the Sun, that took place on September
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the ninth. And it has some pretty unusual traits that
were observed.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Oh yeah, like Matt was saying, it's pretty small. It's
not an especially chonky boy. Current estimates have it at
between three hundred to three thousand feet long. But in
this tiny package there are tons of mysteries. It's reddish
in color, as though it originated from the outer Solar System,
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and it didn't seem to have the usual aura that
a comet will exhibit when it gets close to the Sun.
The fancy word for an object of any sort getting
closer to the Sun is perillion, and that's going to
be when it reaches the closest point of its travels
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to the local start comets usually exhibit. We call it
a i have such a hard time not saying coma,
but like a comma coma. It's like a little nebula cloud, right,
a little vibe a comet creates around itself as it
out gases, usually pushing out water vapor as it gets
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closer to the star.
Speaker 2 (14:13):
And that's primarily because the commets we've observed right come
from somewhere within our solar system, right, either from far
out where the asteroid belt is or from some broken
off piece of something. And there's a lot of water
or solid water ice that's on these things. So as
that ice melts from getting closer to the Sun, it
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shoots out like it it gets heated right by the Sun,
and then it shoots out as vapor, which then causes
if you imagine that we talked about that before. In space,
anytime you are pushing in one way, whatever your large
body is is going to move in the opposite direction, right,
So we're talking about non gravitational acceleration, right. So this
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is as has one of these comets that's within our
solar system gets close to the Sun, heats up, pushes away,
and then moves that comet faster as it gets closer
to the Sun. So that's non gravitational acceleration. It's acceleration
due to that outgassing.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
M M yeah, just so, and well put, we also
want to clarify that Omua Moa is an object of interest.
But what we're talking about with trying to recover stuff
that landed on Earth, we're talking about a purported interstellar
object called CNEOS twenty fourteen dash oh one dash oh eight.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
So there's no I'm talking about Omua Moa.
Speaker 3 (15:41):
Yeah, I'm talking about CNEOS twenty fourteen dasho one dash
oh eight. That's one that that's the one that landed
off the northeast coast of Papua New Guinea.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
This is the thing, okay, so you're you're yes, okay, right,
that is the thing that landed that. Then Baby Lobe
wanted to find out if there were sphericles that came
from that thing, because that thing he's he stated or
believed came from Omuama.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
And that was a point where they could get together
on terra and try to find physical evidence the kind
of stuff you get hold in your hand. I love
the point about non gravitational acceleration because it's it's weird.
It's a it's a possible push, you know, like you
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were saying, maybe due to outgassing, maybe due to the
pressure of solar radiation. And another thing about our pal Omuama,
which has not landed on this planet, is that it
appeared to be tumbling, not spinning. It was kind of
like someone flicked a little paper football. If you guys
remember that game trying to get the goalpost. Do you
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guys ever do that one course?
Speaker 4 (16:54):
Yeah, little thing he's up like that, like a little
U shaped Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The version of it
where you just try to get it as close to
the edge of the table as possible without it going off.
Speaker 3 (17:04):
Oh man, that's difficult.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
It's kind of like shuffle.
Speaker 2 (17:07):
You see artist interpretations of what they believe Omua Mua
may have fully looks like you can see it on
Space and NASA in a couple of places. It's just
it definitely looks like an elongated piece of rock or
different rocks and minerals and stuff.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
Yeah, and human civilization looked at it and said, you
move weird? Why are you moving? Why you moving weird?
Speaker 2 (17:28):
Well, yeah, And if you let your imagination just go
to kind of weird places, you can imagine maybe a
spaceship looking thing that lost control a long long time
ago and has just been blazing through interstellar space before it,
you know, accidentally runs through our solar system and at
this point it's just tumbling like that.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Yeah, that's a kind of a crazy thought, but it's
also fun to imagine.
Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's an awesome thought. Let's also point out that scientists
are still puzzling over our bad boy Amua Mua named
after by the way, it's it's Hawaiian etymology is because
the Canadian astronomer who first it clocked it in Hawaii
at an observatory there. So scientists are still like trying
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to figure out what's going on with this tumbly guy.
When a second dude rolls through town, let's call them
two I slash.
Speaker 4 (18:26):
Borissole indeed originally called c slash twenty nineteen. Q four
bought us up. This is the first observed rogue comet.
We talked about rogue planets. This is a rogue comet
and the second interstellar interloper. Get out of here. The interloper.
Unlike other comments talking about Haley's for example, and Mark Twain,
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it doesn't appear bound to the gravitational pull of our
son and was first observed on August the twenty ninth
of twenty nineteen, long ago at all, you know, in
the grand scheme of things in the timeline of the universe,
just a few months before it reached its perihelium again,
that's distance from the Sun, closest distance to the Sun.
(19:10):
Rather on December eighth. It passed closest to Earth on
December twenty eighth.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
It's a really good point to bring up in there,
just this concept the comets that we have observed in
the past, unlike these three that we're talking about right now,
these interstellar boys, they're all caught in the gravitational pull
of the Sun. That's why something like Haley's comet is
in this huge elliptical orbit that we get to see.
Right You will hear about this in the news. You
get to see Haley's comment in another X number of years.
(19:38):
I don't know off the top of my head how
many years its orbit comes back into observability for us
Earth dwellers. But all of these major big comets that
you can actually see, we can track them because we
understand their orbit around the Sun and how long it
takes right now.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
We know the yo yo motion of them, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Exactly, but this dude off just barreled on through.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Just it came and went wither and wentce right tough
to predict. One unusual trait of this comet is that
its tail alone was fourteen times the size of planet Earth.
And our boffins at Yale called it humbling, No kidding, guys,
(20:24):
good point.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
Yeah, think about the distances between our solar system and
the next stars, right, So if this thing was passing
from some system that had a star in it all
the way through that interstellar space to reach ours again,
just how cold it must have been on these objects.
Just how hardened everything on that comet must have been.
(20:48):
And then as it, you know, hits our Solar system again,
hits that radiation and begins outgassing. The concept that it
could out it could outgas that much stuff that's fourteen
times the diameter of Earth like that, that's pretty mind boggling.
Just have all of that compression, that compression and all
that stuff and it just kind of begins to evaporate.
Speaker 3 (21:10):
It reminds me of holding in piss during a road trip,
you know what I mean, maybe maybe Borisov is going,
are we there yet? And yeah, they hit the they
hit the rest stop?
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Is that Adam Sandler sketch? Do you guys remember that
one the longest P No.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
I do remember.
Speaker 4 (21:31):
And figure out what the bitmus Yeah, yeah, it keeps going.
Speaker 3 (21:34):
Ah, that's uh, that's from the same album I believe
where he released pos Car.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Yes and the Goat is all up in there is
that along with at a medium pace as well.
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Uh, I think you're maybe right now? So much about
my own body from Yes and then the toll booth sketch. Anyway,
we are old, but we are not as old as
these things. In both cases of the one and the
two eye, we see this nomenclature right, this naming structured
number I at the front to identify the object as
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a confirmed interstellar thing. And the reason these only again
three are universally confirmed to be outside of the Solar
System is due to what we call significant hyperbolic excess
velocity and all that means. That's just a fancy way
of saying these cars are driving too fast to have
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started from zero anywhere in this Solar system. They've been
a greeting speed for a long amount of time, and
so with this we fast forward. It's well, the news
breaks July twenty twenty five and astronomers say, we've discovered
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a third object that's called three I atlas. And by
the time they find this, they have had years of
astonishing research in the bag, and this helps them notice
increasingly strange things about the Solar system's third visitor. Also,
they weren't quite sure when they first clocked it. Later
(23:15):
research shows NASA found it about two months before the
official discovery.
Speaker 2 (23:22):
Well, I remember when it was when the information was
first coming out. We asked Jorge about it, and we
interviewed him on the seventh of July, which means like
it was just a couple of days after that that
we got to ask, like, you know, a scientist about
this thing, because we were so interested. But there was
I think it was a student in Japan. I remember
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we saw something for strange news. It was like student
from Japan seemed to clock something out when he was
looking at some data from one of the I forget
what observatory it was, but it was data just from
an observatory, and he used AI I think to just
kind of crunch some numbers and look at movement out
there and he saw something which then I don't know
(24:03):
if that is the initiating incident or in the exciting
incident that got NASA and everybody to realize what this
thing was. But I do remember, guys, we talked about
that right after it happened.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Hm. And people are still talking about this because most
experts in the field, most of the boffins and the astrophysicist,
will tell you that three I Atlas is an active comet. However,
some other experts, most notably Professor Ave Loeb, argue that
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this may be something else entirely, not some accidental slingshot
of errant matter from out there in the ink, but
instead something with a purpose, something perhaps that was made
and pushed in our direction from possibly another intelligence. That's right, folks,
this is an episode about aliens. What say we pause
(24:59):
for a break. Here's where it gets crazy. So here, folks,
picture on stage are protagonist for this exploration. Professor Ave
Loebe l o E B. What are his and his
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colleagues actually saying, like? What where is he coming from?
Speaker 4 (25:24):
Abvi Lobe was born in nineteen sixty two. He is
a very well regarded Israeli American theoretical physicists. We've talked
about him at length recently, or he's come up often
various various things he has well. Actually, the last time
we mentioned him, it was sort of in the context
of like, just because you're an expert in one thing,
doesn't mean you're an expert in all the things. Cause
(25:45):
we're gonna get to He is currently the Frank B.
Baird Junior Professor of Science at Harvard. Heard of that,
and a prolific author and generally the kind of guy
that you would want to talk about interstellar objects with.
Speaker 3 (25:58):
Yeah, and as we establish his bona fides here, let's
also keep in mind that a lot of the stuff
he and his colleagues are saying is often misportrayed in
popular reporting. That's going to be important. So since twenty seventeen,
at the very least, this professor has focused his intellectual
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prowess on the idea of alien spacecraft in our solar system.
So Professor Loewell will argue that things like a Mua
Mua or three I slash Atlas and others may be
potential examples of such a craft. Now crucial point. At
no time, at no juncture in his literature has he
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ever said definitely one hundred percent these are spaceships. However,
he's gotten very very close to saying something like that.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, he gives him a scale which is pretty fun,
and it's basically just a percentage chance that this thing
is controlled by intelligence or just not a naturally occurring
space rock or something like that. It's pretty great. I think.
I don't know. Last time I checked, guys, he put
three Eye Atlas on a four out of ten scale.
(27:14):
But it's been a minute, so I don't know if
he's changed that or not. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
His most controversial claim, and we've linked to here in
the notes, is that you can go to his blog
by the way, which we recommend checking out if you're interested.
His most controversial claim is that three I Atlas has
a quote one and one hundred million chants of being
natural based on those discrepancies and available data, which is.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
It's well for me, let's put it this way. Everybody
else in his field disagrees with him.
Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, the scientific community largely rejects a lot of his suppositions.
Professor loebe hit our radar back in twenty twenty three.
Would he claimed to have recovered that stuff from a
meteor called CNEOS twenty fourteen DASHO one d SHO eight,
which crashed to Earth in twenty fourteen, which is why
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they named it. That this opened this vast floodgate of
speculation and interest, not only in academia but in the
public zeitgeist. Of course, humanity wants to know if other
intelligent life can be proven to exist. I mean, you know,
it's Fermi's paradox all over again, but even better, humanity
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wants to know if this other life can somehow be encountered.
So civilization is primed for news about this. And I
love your point there, Matt. There are a lot of
skeptics out there too. We reached out to contacts in
the field and they were deeply, sharply divided. Some applauded
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his research but were careful to say it's a series
of thought experiments, and others stridently dismissed it a sensationalism
and they were saying, this guy is honestly they accused
him of pulling a grift.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Yeah, and you don't have to look far in line
to see people who you know who try to calm
down the general excitement that the public has got from
some of avi Lobe's Medium posts and then some of
his some of the appearances he's made on things like
Joe Rogan recently and then before that, on a lot
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of other places. On every every local news channel has
had Av lob On to talk about this stuff because
it is a really cool story and the way Av
writes about it, you know, on his blog on Medium
there it.
Speaker 4 (29:42):
Is compassive, very it's exciting.
Speaker 2 (29:45):
I wrote down here, guys, all the times that we've
been talking about three i AT lists just since that
that July time, and I think I've got five episodes
that we've put out where we specifically talk about three
iatlists and AVI. So I mean, we're doing it. So
we're just trying to make sure. I guess as you're
listening to this and thinking about these things and reading
headlines from things like lad Bible, you know, or Newsweek
(30:09):
or whatever it comes out, just remember that, as you said, Ben,
I think that's the most important phrase there is. These
are a series of thought experiments. That's that's a really
great way to put it.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
And we're quoting contexts there. We can confirm and this
is a weird one, we can confirm that factions of
US intelligence have been actively monitoring the good professor's research
and activities. This does not prove a conspiracy exist. The
allegations I won't say we the allegations that I have
(30:43):
heard are that members of the FBI in particular, are
keeping tabs on what the guy is publishing and who
he's being connected with. I do want to give in
full disclosure the note that we see similar allegations in
anything UAP related. So we see a lot of I
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spoke with some people who said that they definitely were
on a monitoring list. I have not spoken with the
FBI to have that confirmed. So we know that this
means there's not necessarily some big, grandiose men in black
situation here. Professor Loeb is able to publish as you will, right,
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and people are able to conduct this research. And I
feel like it's fair for us to say we ourselves
are not astrophysicists. We do not have the expertise to
conclusively weigh in on the legitimacy of the research, but
we read a lot and I think we can all
agree it is important to learn more about three i
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AT lists.
Speaker 2 (31:52):
So let's get into what makes three i AT lias different.
Why is there so much speculation about this thing, and
is it possible that there are details about this object
that make it non comment or is it just a comment?
Speaker 3 (32:11):
Right? Current scientific consensus outside of the good Professor and
other investigators will argue this is at anomalous comment, but
a comment nonetheless naturally produced by the gears and mechanisms
of the universe at large. Yet we would argue the
more you look at it, the weirder our little buddy
(32:33):
Atlass becomes. First off, the age. Okay, so three eye Atlas,
there's hope. We got to get into it first, right,
Three eye at Lias is super duper old. It's even
older than saying six to seven in conversation. It's probably
(32:54):
from the Milky Way's thick disc, which means it could
be from downtown. What's that NBA jam game? He's on
fire from da check out? It's okay, so it could
be over seven billion years old, making it older than
this solar system and.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
Other estamates put it at eleven billion years old. So
it's been something that's been changing. Again, it's just as
we get better and better data.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
Yeah, and Matt, do we want to talk a little
bit about the again? I keep calling it the witherin Wentz.
Do we want to talk about the Wow signal?
Speaker 4 (33:33):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah, So the Wow signal concept with relation to the
three eye Atlis is something that Auvi Low put out
into the world. He made a medium post and he
said something to the effect of that three iye atlas
arrived to our solar system in a direction quote coincident
with the radio Wow signal to within nine degrees. You
can you can check it out if you want to.
(33:55):
A lot of other astronomers have said things like the
Wow signal within nine degrees is a crazy distance away
if you think about how far away nine degrees actually is,
you know, when you expand out into the cosmos as
it goes as well as a lot of people don't
even agree that the Wow signal, you know, is actually
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a signal that came from interstellar space and that it
was maybe an anomaly within a system or you know,
we've done an episode on the Wow signal. There are
a lot of questions remaining about.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
That, but it is. It is again fascinating, and I
really appreciate you for pointing out, Matt that nine degrees
immediately is very small, but nine degrees over light years
is pretty big. This brings us to the size of
our buddy three I atlas. Okay, so a comet has
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a nucleus that that's the little like the little pit
of the cherry, and the nucleus here is estimated to
be between point two to three point five miles, which
feels like a big variance. But again we're dealing with
pretty large margins of error here, are we not.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
Yeah, that's the diameter, right, So three and a half
miles is pretty huge, or you know, zero point two
miles still pretty big. And ultimately we're talking about the
solid thing that is at the center, right, the thing
that gives it the most mass, that causes it to
accelerate in the way that it does.
Speaker 3 (35:29):
I don't know, it's like your earlier TUTSI pop example,
of course.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Yes, yeah, it is like that.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
How many licks does it take? Well?
Speaker 2 (35:37):
And the concept here is is it too big? Again?
If you're doing the thought experiment stuff like Aviy Lob
is doing, is it too big to be a supposed
spacecraft of some sort? Is it if you can imagine
it as a mothership? Is it this giant mothership as
he had speculated about kind of early on, is it
(35:58):
a mothership that's gonna let out other smaller craft or
ships as it gets well, yeah, as it gets the
perihelium close, as it gets to the star or our sun.
There's so much speculation that goes into that that deals
with the nucleus nucleus and what it actually is. If
it's like a comet though, it's like it's just star stuff, right,
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that's kind of compressed and condensed down into that thing,
which is usually rock and other minerals and ice.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
Yeah, but not a ton of nickel. And that's where
we get to another thing that's very weird. The third
issue is this big one fellow conspiracy realist three I.
Atlas has some very strange chemical composition. This is not
a controversial claim by our good professor Loweb. This is
(36:51):
something that everybody agrees on. If you look at the
chemicals it is emitting, if you look at the composition
the material science, then as far as we know, our
buddy Atlas is super duper weird.
Speaker 2 (37:08):
Yeah, that chemical plume where it's off gassing, right, the
stuff that might cause that non gravitational acceleration.
Speaker 3 (37:15):
That stuff a little fart in space, yeah, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
By long part, right, it's a long part that you
should no longer observe after it's out there. But it's
crazy to think though. You're talking about in space, so
that gas is still there, just hanging out. You just
can't observe it with your eyes anymore, or you know,
we probably never really could, but we can observe it
with some of the visual telescopes that we have to
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observe this thing, so you're looking at more of chemical signatures.
Speaker 3 (37:44):
Yeah. Basically, what we're telling you, folks is that while
you might not observe it on your own, you were
getting crop dusted so hard by comets. They get close
to the Sun and they fart. That's the off gasing. Okay, yes, okay,
a bit of a bit of a Dutch oven. If
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the atmosphere is the covers, I love it. Atlas has
a pretty high ratio of carbon dioxide to water vapor,
so as far as we can tell, it's about seven
point six, which is outside of the realm of expectation
for your typical solar system comets like your Haley's comet
(38:27):
or something, and the coma or the comma. It has
not just water, ice and vapor, it also has carbon monoxide,
carbonyl sulfi, it has cyanide gas. This is beyond unusual
for your guard a variety Haley's comet. I don't know
why it sound like the Ghost of Christmas present on
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that one.
Speaker 2 (38:50):
Yeah, because the season. Well it's very weird again for
comets that originate in this star system, Right, that's weird.
But maybe it's not so weird for a comment that
comes from wherever it came from. That's just more naturally
occurring there.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Maybe our boys are the weird ones.
Speaker 2 (39:07):
Well, yeah, that's right. But the weird thing is the nickel.
The nickel is pretty widely accepted as an anomaloust thing.
I mean it is an anomalous thing. It has to
do with where that nickel showed up and when it
showed up, because it started it started outgassing nickel pretty
early before it got too close to the sun where
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you would imagine that would occur. And it also has
some anomalous what is it nickel to iron ratios, So
usually you would see a lot more iron out gassing
if you're seeing nickel out gassing, but in this case
it was more nickel than iron, which is weird, but
not you know, it doesn't. It's not proof of anything.
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It's just weird.
Speaker 4 (39:51):
And most of these things would fall under the category
of what most scientists on the case would just call anomalists.
Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, yeah, that's exactly right, right, a genuine anomaly.
Speaker 4 (40:03):
Yes, which you know, there's a reason that word exists.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
Yeah. Yeah, it's unusual, which makes it interesting, which does
not necessarily prove a conclusion. So our buddy Darryl Z.
Siegelman and Rohan Rata Gondkar, they're the ones who determined
that Atlas is emitting or was emitting, this glowing nickel
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vapor and was emitting it at temperatures that, as far
as humans know, we're too cold for metals to normally vaporize.
So what gives becomes the question, and then that prompts
the conversation about the speed and trajectory. This Atlas guy
is following what we call a hyperbolic path, So it's
(40:47):
like a rope comet. It's not gravitationally bound to the sun.
We can't predict when or if it will return, but
its orbital eccentricity is so high that it's true jectory
appears almost straight, as though someone fired a bullet from
a gun, far far away, which I think is fascinating.
(41:10):
This is also way faster than the vast majority of
comets that are recognized by civilization are supposed to be.
This is a ferrari blowing through a school zone, like
redlining it essentially. I don't know if that happens in
all parts of the world or the United States, but
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I think in our neck of the woods, anytime you
get to a school zone, there's that little sign that said,
what is it twenty five thirty five miles per hour?
Five twenty five Who I got away with some stuffy
Our body Atlas is traveling. As far as we could tell,
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as it was getting to brillion, it was traveling at
forty two miles a second or sixty eight kilometers second.
For the rest of the world, that is way faster
than it's supposed to be.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yeah, it's tough because I don't know enough to know
how much of a difference ideas than what we we expected.
But I would just I would imagine through a general
understanding of how things function, that if it is traveling
from where it's traveling from, it gained a ton of acceleration,
and then if it is as massive as it is
(42:31):
believed to be, and it's interacting with the gravitational pull
of the Sun and getting that slingshot effect. I mean,
it's already faster than it should be because it's entering
faster than it should be right to our solar system.
Then it gets that pole, and it's also going not
too close to, but pretty close to other massive planets
before it hit perihelium there. So I just don't understand
(42:56):
the math or the science enough to be like, is
that too weird?
Speaker 3 (42:59):
Yeah, unless we sound sensationalistic. As far as we understand
the what we'll call like a long period comet, a
thing that takes a while to return, it's typically going
to be going about thirty to a little over thirty
two miles per second, so forty two miles per second,
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about ten miles per second faster that it should be,
but the seconds add up. This is crazy. Well, I
get a little freaked out the more I think about
this thing.
Speaker 2 (43:30):
Well, that's the other thing, guys, I genuinely don't know
the average mass of observed comets within our solar system.
You know, I don't know what that is. It's like,
is this thing like extremely larger? But again to our
best understanding of what we've been able to observe thus far.
(43:51):
I don't know, because I think that mass could have
a big effect on how fast it's actually moving. Man,
there was another thing about polarization. Did you hear about
this guys? It's apparently it has a negative polarization on it.
That is, most commets or a lot of comets have
negative polarization that have been observed inside the solar system.
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This one is significantly more polarized.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
I guess polarization in terms of like magnetic force.
Speaker 2 (44:21):
Yes, asteroids and commets generally have some form of negative
polarization that we observe. This one is just a lot more.
It's abnormal. There are a lot of people, again, like
not just off below, but other people out there saying, hey,
that's that's a little weird, how negatively polarized this is.
But again, is it just the thing that occurs in
(44:45):
the other place where it came from, you know, or
is it uh? Is it something else?
Speaker 3 (44:51):
Also, let's point this out Atlas was kind of constipated
comment wise, But what we mean is as our pal
shot closer and closer to our home start runner, hahaha, whatever,
it did not behave like a typical comet, the typical
garden variety solar system comet that humans are familiar with.
(45:15):
It starts farting or out gassing as it gets closer
and closer to the Sun, emitting water vapor well in
advance of the approach. Now, for some reason that has
yet to be determined, three I Atlas delayed its outgassing.
It did eventually show this activity, but it did it
(45:35):
much later than everything we know has taught us to expect.
Its parillion was like two hundred million clicks from the
Sun AU units. That would be one point four so
like one point four times the distance between the Sun
and the Earth. It was on the opposite side of
the Sun to the Earth, so a little bit more
(45:56):
difficult to observe. It also colors a bunch of times,
Oh my gosh, there's so much more to get to
about this guy. Afterword from our sponsors.
Speaker 2 (46:12):
There's reporting out there that makes things seem way more
wild than they actually are, and that's not obvious fault.
He's pointing things out, and then people are taking his
you know, statements, and then making a huge deal about.
Speaker 3 (46:23):
It, just running with it like the radio waves.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, yes, because it did this. This this object did
get brighter faster than any known comment. So that's interesting, right.
It just all of a sudden like it's like it
turned on or something, and it got much much brighter
than normal. Again, a real anomaly. It was stayed in
one of the obvious medium posts that they got bluer
(46:47):
than the sun, which.
Speaker 3 (46:48):
Was just kind of a weird thing, a little poetic.
Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, But we we talked earlier on our Strange News
episodes about the anti tale and how that was a
bunch was made about that, and anti tail means that
that outgassing is occurring, like pushing materials all that co two.
We're talking about those gases, the nickel that's pushing it
towards the Sun. It acted in a way that seems
(47:12):
pretty dang weird, but it is still it's a thing
that we've observed in comets before that occur within the
Solar system. It just did things a little differently, the
same stuff, just a little differently.
Speaker 3 (47:27):
Yeah, specifically in the writing that we're talking about, Professor
Loeb says, quote, this raises a new anomaly of three
iat lists that must be explained by those who wish
to shove the anomalies of three iat lists under the
carpet of traditional knowledge on Solar system comets or rather
than consider alternatives, and it gets juicier. He also has
(47:49):
a very nice quote about Albert Einstein, or from Albert Einstein.
He gets juicier because he says, quote technological thrusters which
point their exhaust toward the sun ele rate away from
the Sun. This post perihelian maneuver might be employed by
a spacecraft that aims to gain speed rather than to
(48:09):
slow down through the gravitational assist from the Sun. So
the slingshot like we talked about in our weekly Strange
News segments.
Speaker 2 (48:17):
Yeah, exactly, a spaceship would be able to accelerate in
whatever direction it needs to accelerate to accomplish whatever task.
So as as this thing, whatever it is, this commet
or other, was entering perihelium, and as it's getting towards
the Sun, there the thought that AVI was putting out
was that these jets that we're seeing may be maneuvers
(48:39):
that it's making, right, and the super exciting thing kind
of didn't happen. The exciting thing was before it got
to that point, AVI was talking about how well what
if it changes its trajectory and his heads closer to
Earth than is expected as Earth is moving around the
Sun and this thing continues to move on its path,
or what.
Speaker 3 (48:58):
If it alters its trage in any direction?
Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh yeah, any direction would have been a whole crap,
something's happening. But if it was coming towards Earth, it
would have been a well, guys, it was nice knowing you.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
We also, if it's okay with guys, I want us
to go back to the radio waves thing, because that
was another big wait and see what happens moment. Noel,
can you tell us a little bit more about what
was going on with the idea that three Ia Atlas
was suddenly transmitting radio waves?
Speaker 4 (49:35):
Yeah, for sure. Some astronomers at South Africa's mere Cat
radio telescope saw that radio waves were being emitted from Atlas,
and at first they were hoping, like many you know
folks in this position, they're doing it out of passion,
They're doing it out of a sense of you know, belief,
(49:55):
and you know, Benu, I've heard of them. Is I
want to believe folks? Is accurate? Calling back to the
X file.
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Well, well, here listen to that statement. They are radio
signals coming from the comet thing, right, Like if you
if you hear that or you read that on headline,
then what does your brain do? Brain deep deepep right,
your brain imagines what we know of radio signals, right.
Speaker 4 (50:18):
Oh for sure. And speaking of X Files, I just
want to take this opportunity to quickly recommend the new
Vince Gilligan show Pluribus, which deals with radio transmissions from
far far away and was actually inspired by the Wow signal,
and so a lot of this kind of stuff you see,
like I believe it's either at SETI or like a
giant array of radio telescopes. The first scene of the
show when they're detecting this signal that's been transmitted from
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light years and light years away, and that same level
of passion and excitement and like, oh what could it
possibly be? Is draumatized incredibly. Well, there's only two episodes
out now. I think by the time this comes out
there'll be three. But it is Vince Gilligan back to
his X Files roots. He was obviously the creator of
Breaking Bad, but also a staff writer on later seasons
of The X File. So un fortunately they ultimately these
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folks in South Africa concluded that these signals were the
result of specific types of wavelength absorption related to certain
chemical makeups the hydroxyl radicals or H molecules in the
comets Comma or Coma. Just kind of like an aura
if you think, yeah, mm hmm, yep, definitely so according
(51:24):
to larger and more current scientific and senses, that's all
explained by simple well not simple for us layman, but
astro physically speaking, simple concepts.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
So they're saying we found an anomaly. We have explained
to at least our satisfaction and anomaly. The think is,
with three I at lists right now, there are things
that are very difficult to explain based on what human
civilization understands about interstellar objects. You know, again, very few
(52:01):
examples or understands about your garden variety comment. So, regardless
of how you feel about the good professor or the
idea of extra terrestrial life, reaching this old ball a dirt, sorry,
I should say a nicer thing about planet Earth because
we all we reside here. What's a nice poetic way
(52:24):
to refer to Planet Earth? Little blue Pearl, the blue Dot,
the pale blue dots, Spaceship number one spaceship.
Speaker 2 (52:34):
The only confirmed place with biodiversity, oxygen, abundant water, and delicious,
delicious case ideas God's favorite marble.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
I love all of these and thank you for the
case DIA reference, Matt. Also, I love the idea of
Atlas actually being a spaceship and saying that Earth is
not biodiverse enough. They're like, well, wow, ninety nine of
the life here is carbon based, lame.
Speaker 2 (53:02):
We just need to take out this one species and
will be good.
Speaker 3 (53:07):
Yeah, sorry sorry, Uh wait, what's the most innocuous species? Uh,
it can't be humans. He's definitely talking, definitely talking about humans.
But if there was one that doesn't deserve to be
picked on yet.
Speaker 2 (53:22):
They're always looking at our radio waves pas heerbacks.
Speaker 3 (53:26):
They're like, they're like, we shoot out these ageless spaceships
to eliminate mirror CAATs. Those monsters.
Speaker 2 (53:35):
They're always looking around.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
They're always fiddling with stuff. It looks sketchy little human hands, yeah,
big eyes. I don't trust their eyes.
Speaker 4 (53:44):
So singing songs with their warthog pals.
Speaker 3 (53:48):
Now, if you are the average to Moon and Pumba,
you may be asking what could this mean for the future.
As we record three, I at lists is on the
way out. You can check the latest tracking on various websites.
We recommend atlascomment dot com.
Speaker 2 (54:05):
Oh yeah, and avilobe dot medium dot com. Definitely go
there and at least read what's going on. One of
the craziest things that has occurred through all of this
three I Atlas hubbub is that on October second and third,
there was a camera on board the Mars reconnaissance or orbiter,
the high Rise Cameras what it's known as. It took
(54:27):
images of THREEI Atlas that were some of the highest
resolution images that have ever been captured of this thing.
And because the government was shut down, at least that's
the excuse given NASA has not released any of those images.
They still have it as we're recording this on November fourteenth.
Speaker 3 (54:44):
Hopefully on the way though post government shutdown. I was
looking at that as well, Yeah, hopefully.
Speaker 2 (54:49):
But Avy's been making a big stink about it, I
think in a good way. He's been talking about it
a lot, and it is. It's definitely one of those
things that it would be nice to see, not that
it's going to prove that it's an alien spaceship, but
just how awesome would it be to see super high
resolution images of this thing that we're all so curious about.
Speaker 3 (55:08):
Yeah, we always applaud science taking precedent over political concerns. Yeah,
that's a big part of the issue here. Oh yeah.
Speaker 2 (55:18):
Well, and then there's guys, there's other stuff happening in
the news right now. If you're searching for three EYE
at lists, you're going to see a bunch of a
bunch of writing about other comments that are of this
solar system that have been observed. There has been a
bit of a connection by AUVI and some other people
two three I atlas with these comments. Somehow did was
(55:40):
this in some way related to three I atlas. There
are people from NASA, Space, dot Com, Live Science, a
bunch of people talking about how no, there's no connection
with these and three I atlasts. You can look up
the things. We'll just give you some of the names
so you can do some searching. See Slash twenty twenty
five vs. Borisov Is one. It's a newly discovered comet.
(56:03):
It approached the closest to Earth at least as of
right now, on November eleventh, just a few days before
we're recording this. And then There's another large one that
has a very similar name, c slash twenty twenty five
K one at liss. This one was observed breaking apart
into at least three pieces. You can read about it
(56:24):
on space dot com. You can search for Comet c
slash twenty twenty five K one Atlas splits into three
pieces after a close brush with the sun. It is
set to make its closest approach to the Earth on
November twenty fifth, so a little before Thanksgiving. And then
the closest approach for three I at lis guys is
in December, at some point December nineteenth of this year,
(56:46):
so just look out for those dates.
Speaker 3 (56:50):
Yeah, and we know that there's more and more strange
stuff in the sky. We hope you're following the news
as closely as we are, folks, And we want to
want to end with a you know, debate and discourse,
controversy aside. We want to end with a tremendous thank you,
(57:12):
an acknowledgment of the hard work of the astrophysicist, the
astronomers involved. You are the folks who are responsible for
advancing scientific understanding. We know it's always been a situation
where you get caught up with funding you gets some
(57:33):
kind of political speed bumps, So thank you for staying
the course. I think we end with a statement from
the good Professor himself. He wrote a famous and controversial
paper called our Neighbor's Grass May Not Be Green from
twenty twenty, and he often references this analogy when he's
(57:56):
on a show, or he's on a podcast, or you know,
when people reading the papers. Please read his research, because
he gets a lot of you know, those scary, sometimes
hyperbolic questions like is a possible alien civilization specifically targeting
life on Earth?
Speaker 2 (58:15):
Is it?
Speaker 3 (58:17):
Is it a dark forest thing? Is it a star
trek thing? Like? Should we feel good or bad about
these possibilities? Here's what he says. It's kind of a bummer.
It's also pretty beautiful, and we're not going to do
the voice. He says, quote, it is presumptuous to assume
that we are special and worthy special attention from advanced
(58:38):
species in the milky way. We may be a phenomenon
as ordinary as ants are on a sidewalk. When crossing
a sidewalk, we never paid tribute to every ant along
our path? What do you guys think about that? Like?
Maybe I mean it's it's kind of a bummer, not
so mean.
Speaker 4 (58:58):
Well that's true. I mean, you know, back to the
Katamaria of it all. You know some things that just
like beyond our perview.
Speaker 2 (59:06):
Well yeah, I mean, how many ultrons are out there?
Maybe there's a species of ultrons that we just haven't
countered yet.
Speaker 3 (59:13):
How many kings? How many doctor dooms by the way,
a spoiler for secret works.
Speaker 2 (59:17):
How many doctor do look but like like star sized beings.
Maybe that is a thing that we just haven't come
across yet, right, I mean, that's who knows. It's crazy
to imagine that stuff. I don't know, would you guys?
I'm going to shout out one article really quickly. It's
a news article that has it's some of the most
(59:39):
link dense writing that I've seen in a while. It
comes from Science Alert and Michelle Starr from November thirteenth.
This is the title, and it is definitely leaning towards
skepticism when it comes to three I Atlas, but it's
a really good place to find at least what the
scientific community at large is thinking about all of this stuff.
The title is, don't panic. Three Eye Atlas isn't an
(01:00:01):
alien death probe, but it is wildly unusual. It's kind
of writing that line between here's the anomalist stuff, but
also here's why. It's probably not of alien origin, and
it just links to absolutely every single thing that has
occurred over the course of three eye Atlis's life of
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being observed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
So do check that out, folks, Please do also go
back to that quote we shared from doctor Loweb himself.
We have to ask whitherin Wentz three I Atlas, current
civilization is not sure? Could this be a natural, albeit rare,
anomalous phenomenon. Could it be something else? When it comes
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