Above Majestic, with David Wilcock

The recent film Above Majestic looks at the origins, history and conspiracies behind the "Majestic 12," an alleged, secret group of military and corporate figureheads charged with reverse-engineering extraterrestrial technology. Join the guys as they interview the creator of the film, David Wilcock, about his theories, his beliefs, and the experiences that inspired him to create the film.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M

(00:24):
Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Our
friend Noel is on some adventures. All will be revealed
in time, but they call me Ben where with our
super producer Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are you, You
are here, and that makes this stuff they don't want
you to know, a very special episode of stuff they
don't want you to know. Matt. Yes, we had the

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opportunity of watching a documentary called Above Majestic, and we
got to watch it a little ahead before it came out.
And we are so excited today to be joined by
one of the creators of this documentary, David Wilcock, who
was a professional lecturer, filmmaker and researcher. Uh please, everyone,
let's welcome David Wilcock. Well, thank you guys for bringing

(01:09):
me on. Um, it's an honor to do your show.
I had a career for a while repairing electronics and
I was intuitive with it. I would take things apart
and figure out how they work. So it seems like
it's a good fit for me to be on your show. Yes, fantastic. So, David,
we wanted to first thank you for being so generous

(01:30):
with your time today. Uh, your name is going to
be familiar to a lot of us in the audience
in this episode and over the course of your career,
you have delved into multiple different avenues of research. Your
prolific author, we have we've seen several of your books,

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and we also I guess to to start at the beginning, UM,
we were reading through some of your early life experiences
available on your website here with UM some some experiences
that people would call extraordinary, occurring as early as age
two or five. Is that correct? Yeah, definitely correct. I

(02:16):
started to have very strange dreams that had cylindrical craft
in them that did not have wings, UM, that were
hovering over the backyard, and in some cases I was
there with my mother. UM. It would appear that the
craft and some of these dreams had landed and that
they wanted me or I felt compelled to go to

(02:39):
the craft. I still have not remembered anything as far
as if these were actual contact experiences, but there's a
lot of UFO contact Ease and insiders who work in
highly classified government programs, and I have been consistently informed
by folks like this that sometimes these things that appear

(03:01):
to be dreams are actually uh, screen memories or otherwise
memories of things that did happen. In other words, there
are lots of contacts happening. Lots of people are having
contact experiences, and it is not common for us to
remember them. It is very very much more common that
we don't remember them. And there's also lots of other

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contact experiences that do not involve the typical alien abduction
from bug eyed to grays as most people think. You know,
the the et subject is far, far greater in complexity
then the idea of gray aliens from Zeta articuli. Wow. So,
just for some of the members of our audience that

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don't necessarily outright believe in extraterrestrial life, what do you
What do you feel is the most compelling evidence that
just aliens are realis essentially it's it's fair very tough
to pick one thing when you're dealing with a subject
that is so vast in its scope and complexity. But

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I guess we can take a crack at a few things.
First of all, back in the day of the nineteen eighties.
When I would watch documentaries about UFOs on network or
cable TV, they would always have the skeptics in there.
The skeptics would always say, all of this has been discredited.
One of the things they love to use was this
so called Drake equation looks very complicated with all these

(04:29):
factors in it, and it was basically the scientist calculating
that there is only going to be two point seventeen
civilizations in the in the Milky Way galaxy. And I
always wondered, well, what the heck does this point seventeen
civilization look like? Is it just legs walking around with
no body? It's I mean, it's it's a fascinating question too,

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because we know, statistically speaking, just given the size of
not even the entire universe, just the part that we
can observe, it's it's virtually certain that there is some
sort of other intelligent life, or there was, or there
will be. Um. I think that's a very I think
that's a very interesting conundrum because we run into what

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I would call sometimes the arrogance of skepticism, you know
what I mean? Yeah, Well, and and the fact is,
skepticism is no longer supported by the actual massa data.
And I say that because when we look at how
exoplanets are discovered, it has to do with the occultation

(05:37):
of the light coming from the star, where there's subtle
variations in its uh luminous And NASA has gotten to
the point now where they can detect very subtle changes,
and they can detect the mass of the planet, and
they can also detect its approximate distance from the star.
And NASA has also announced that stars are giving off

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hydrogen oxygen we naturally combined in atmospheres to make liquid water. Therefore,
any planet that is within what they're calling the Goldilocks zone,
that has the right size is going to have liquid
water and is going to be Earth like. So the
official NASA estimates now of how many planets there are

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that are like Earth just in our galaxy alone, some
of those estimates are as high as eighty billion. So
try to imagine that, like if you had if you
just went through our galaxy and you tried to go
to every inhabited or every earthlike planet. Okay, let's forget

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inhabited for a minute, every earthlike planet, um, then what's
going to happen is every person on Earth would need
to visit what is it like twelve planets just to
even visit them if there's a d billion in our
in our galaxy. And then when they go in to
an estimate of how many earthlike planets there are in

(07:03):
the universe, it would actually be one thousand earthlike planets
for every single grain of sand on the entire planet Earth,
which is an insane comparison. That's that's mind boggling. The ideas.
There's one guy listening on three gets to ascid and
he understands this, but nobody else. Oh please do I

(07:26):
think his name is Johnny Planet and he's he's awesome.
Uh So if one of the big issues I guess
with having even if we have this many civilizations in
this much intelligent life in the universe, traversing the distance
that you would need to just to visit even the
next Solar system, Uh, it becomes a tremendous problem. How

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do you see that actually working in in in reality
right now? So you have to understand that we are
dealing with it for particular set of science which we
now believe to be sacrosancd and inviolable, and we take
ourselves to be a modern civilization where most of the

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mysteries of science, laws of physics have been cracked and accessed,
and it turns out that this really is not true. Um.
One of the most significant contributions I feel I've made
to collective human knowledge is to explore a lot of
different aspects of alternative science and to find out just

(08:36):
how lacking much of our science has been. Uh so like.
As an example, there's this one Russian physicist named Dr
Vladimir Ginsburg, and Dr Ginsburg went back and looked at
Einstein's relativity equations, and you will notice that the most
common debunking that these skeptical uh individuals would usually use

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about the idea that nobody could reach light speed or
even exceed light speed is this concept of mass increase.
So when you look at the Einstein relativity model, one
of the things that Einstein says is that as you
approach light speed in your velocity, that your mass continues
to get larger and larger to such a degree that

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once you reach light speed velocity that your mass would
now be the size of the entire universe. It literally
goes to infinity. So way back in the day, in
the eighties when you used to watch these shows they
bring this up. Sometimes skeptics wouldn't say, Yeah, it's just impossible.
Nobody's ever gonna be able to reach us. We're all
trapped in this slow morass and there's no way out.

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So I brought up Vladimir Ginsburg. Well Ginsburg produced a
very interesting realization. The Einstein equation that leads to this
idea of mass increase at light speed. Velocity is an
equation that is based on a fraction. And the cool
thing about fractions is that you can manipulate them, and

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that includes tipping them upside down, where the bottom goes
to the top, the top goes to the bottom. Speaking
in simple language now, but you get the point. And
when you when you flip the fraction of the Einstein equation,
it doesn't violate any laws of physics to turn it
upside down. Everything still works fine. All the equations we

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know and loves still check out. Everything plugs through in
a proper manner. However, now as you reach light speed,
instead of your mass increasing, your mass decreases. And so
his conclusion, and also I would concur with his conclusion,
is that it's mass displacement and that means mass is

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displacing into an alternate reality and alternate dimension as you
approach light speed. Well, this is very, very useful, and
I'll tell you why. And again, I've done three books,
you know, two of which are New York Times bestsellers,
and the total amount of academic references in these three
books is over two thousand, Okay, so it only takes

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a D fifty to do a PhD. So there's a
lot of stuff. There's a lot of scholarship I put
into all this stuff. So let's just say this. The
really cool part about this idea of math displacing as
you go towards light speed is that matter as we
know it right now is already whirling around almost at
light speed inside of itself. So that means that this

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is a secret where if you had a way to
nudge the velocity inside the atom over the light speed boundary,
which again traditional skeptics would say, oh, that's impossible, that's impossible.
But the light speed that we've already had measured has
been proven to be quite variable. You know, it's not
a solid measurement at all. It's uh, it totally has fluctuations.

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And so the whole idea that it's a constant really
was just an assumption based on inaccurate observations that didn't
have the scientific precision we do now. So my point
in saying all this to you guys is that when
you get into the alternative science, when you get into
the alternative physics, you discover that there are ways in

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which you can accelerate an atom over the light speed boundary.
And when you do that, you now have teleportation. You
can displace mass into an alternative reality. And in that
alternative reality, space works very differently, and you can traverse
much greater distances that speeds greatly in excess of the

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speed of light. So this is a whole branch of science.
And I mean, as you can probably imagine, I could
give you a two hour discourse just on this little
chunk of it. But the idea is that just like
the right brothers, it took them four years to prove
that they actually had achieved poward flight, and they couldn't
even get it done in the US. They had to

(13:10):
go to France because people in the US were literally
seeing the plane fly, seeing photographs of it flying, and
they still didn't believe it. It's the same thing that's
going on right now. We think we're at the top
of the of the ladder, and we really haven't even
started climbing. You know, I completely agree with that observation, David,
because one thing that we we've learned, we being our species,

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of course, is that the more closely we investigate a
lot of things that were thought to be constance, universal absolutes,
the rules of reality, the closer we we investigating scrutinize
these things, uh, the more we learn about our own
current ignorance, you know, like if you had, uh, I

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believe like there's a terrible example of this, which is
the doctor who vocated washing one's hands before conducting surgery.
The man was driven out of his profession for asking
people to do something that, even if it didn't work,
was not an inconvenience at all. That's ridiculous, right, And

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it's a yeah, that's that's the reenactment. And so it's
a dangerous assumption, isn't it that to say that we
do know everything there is to know when the opposite
is clearly the case. And to your point, for something
to uh traverse that cosmic gulf, they would almost certainly
have to be using methods of transportation that are unknown

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to our civilization. If we could talk a little bit
about how this relates to UH life on Earth, that'd
be very interesting. I know our listeners would be very
interested in this too, in learning your perspective on how
extraterrestrial contact UH may have occurred in the ancient past

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and whether it has occurred in the more recent past
or even in the modern day. Right, Well, this is
another very valid subject to inquire about. UM. There are
so many structures around the world that are made of,

(15:22):
you know, hundred tons blocks of stone, in some cases
over a thousand tons, like with the tri Lithian in
uh balbeck Lebanon. You know, you have these slabs that
are literally the size of a city block, and the
heaviest one weighs like one thousand six tons. There's absolutely

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nothing on Earth that we have that even would remotely
be able to manipulate UH blocks of this weight, and
they're on every continent except Antarctica that we know of,
and nobody can explain this. So it really kind of

(16:04):
to use a psychological term, it's it's a mass cognitive
dissonance that we all have that we assume that societies
that are less advanced than we are. Societies where men
are walking around wearing towels around their waists, you know,
and not even the kind of clothes that we would
have that there's somehow gonna, you know, butter up these

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logs and roll them up the hill and roll the
stones in the position. It's it's it's totally ludicrous, and
just to take that data point as as something that
we know for a fact. And then you go down
to Peru sacks a woman and you look at these
uh stones that are in some cases a hundred tons

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five hundred tons, that are literally pushed together as if
they just melted together, and you can't even fit a
razor blade in between the cracks, but yet there's no
mortar holding them together. It's it's absolutely and defiance of
all of our logic and all of our science. So
the only actual logical choice left using the principle of

(17:12):
Akham's razor, which is that the simplest explanation has to
be the right one. This is not the work of
primitive people. It can't be. Therefore, it has to be
the work of people who came here from somewhere else,
some type of intelligent life that came here that or
at least also some type of civilization that had reached
a level of advancement on earth that is greater than

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our own. So then you can cue the anthropologists, and
the anthropologists are going to say, well, show me one
broken piece of pottery, show me one. You know, where's
the Chatahoyuk, where's the ancient settlement that we dug up
that shows all the progression of the technology at to
this point, we don't have it? Well, yeah, exactly, dude.
So you have to have craft coming in here from

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somewhere else, and then what are they gonna do. They're
gonna use native building materials because they didn't bring any
building materials with them. And if you want to build
something that's gonna last a really long time, make it
out of stone. So there you have it. It's it's
so simple. And it amazes me that government controlled PSI off,
a psychological operation dating back to the nineteen forties, has

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created such an immense aura of ridicule if you even
dare to talk about this and ask these questions that
everybody just stayed quiet. Nobody dared to ask because they
didn't want to be ostracized by their peers and lose
their job and lose their livelies. And with that, let's
take a quick word from our sponsor and we'll be
right back. And we're back. So speaking of perhaps ancient

(18:50):
civilizations with high levels of technology in uh, just the
trailer even for Above Majestic, there is a quote in
there from Robert Oppenheimer. Um. That's I believe from this
same interview he gave where he said he quoted the
Bagagita and said, now I am become death destroyer of
worlds when talking about the Trinity nuclear weapon test or

(19:10):
the Trinity test, And uh, you you mentioned something in there,
and I just love for you to talk about a
little bit about the other technology that seems to exist
within that book. Well certainly, um, as as you guys
and your listeners may or may not know, I'm one
of the top repeating talents on the Ancient Aliens show

(19:31):
on History Channel. I'm in approximately a hundred twenty six episodes.
And so anytime that you go to History Channel on
a Friday, from ten am Friday morning to one am
Saturday morning, that's all they air now all day long.
So I'm getting a lot of exposure on History Channel
and this show. Ancient Aliens incidentally is the number one

(19:58):
most viewed television program in the country of India, meaning
that out of all the selections that are available on television,
there's more hours and more people watching Ancient Aliens than
anything else, which I find fascinating. Um and so on
Ancient Aliens, we have very consistently returned to the ancient

(20:20):
Hindu scriptures because there is such a wealth of bizarre
and fascinating information in there, and even what we cover
on the show really only barely begins to scratch the
surface of how far you can take that investigation. So
let me just paint a picture for you now of
what you get when you read these texts. First of all,

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we are looking at a society in which there are
very sharply divergent types of human looking people coexisting. You
have people that look like we do conventionally. You have
people who are taller than those folks that have blue skin,
And we still see the depictions of Krishna all over

(21:07):
the place, and everybody just assumes, oh, that's a mythology,
that's got to be some kind of artistic rendering, and
maybe the blue indicates that he's so highly spiritual. No, no, no,
this is what they looked like. This there were people
in India that had a skin that was blue. That's

(21:27):
that's not a speculation. This is all part of their
documented history. They took it very seriously and the oldest
artworks are thousands of years old that depict people looking
like this. Another interesting area that I do say in
that trailer you mentioned is there are different types of
beings that are referred to in the Bagavat Guida, the Mahabarata,

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and the other Vedic texts that they call rock Sha
says or Toksha says. Those are two different words, and
another colloquialism they use for them as snakes. And when
you read about these beings it's clear. I mean, they
have names, they have very strange names, and they appear
to look like a reptilian human being. So in other words,

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they have the two arms, two legs, the head, two eyes, nose, mouth,
but yet at the same time they also look as
if a snake had been rendered into a human form.
And there are very intense wars that are described between
these reptilian types, the types with blue skin, the human types,

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and these battles also are recorded as occurring with the
use of a certain type of craft they called the Mana,
and the craft are described as you know, there's no
visible sign of propulsion coming out of them. They have
advanced weapons technology, including what appears to be the use
of laser type weapons or particle being type weapons. Uh,

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they have clear anti gravity properties, they have a humming
noise as they operate. They appear to be able to
phase shifts, so they could fly right into the ground,
or fly through the ocean, or fly through a mountain.
And the wars that these beings are fighting with each
other included what appears to be the use of nuclear weapons.

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And so as we ask in the movie, how the
heck do you get such a precise description of the
exact nature and trauma of the nuclear bomb in a
text that, by anybody's estimate, is at very least three
thousand years old. So I guess the big question then
is over time, has all of that technology, if it existed,

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just been buried to a certain point where it's inaccessible
or decayed or Yeah, what are your thoughts on that? Well,
I'd like to answer that question in what might appear
to be a divergence, but it's not going to be.
It will come back to the questions point really quickly.
So and I'm gonna I'm gonna come back to this

(24:07):
thing called the Siberian roswell, and you'll see why this
is important. Okay. One of the things we did cover
on Ancient Aliens UM and as a consulting producer, I
had a lot of effect on what shows were chosen
and what the topics were UM and this is one
of the ones that I have recommended. So it's important
to understand that the use of nuclear weapons on a

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widespread scale, apparently the electromagnetic pulse that these weapons create
and the amount of destructive force and actual movement that
these weapons create is sufficient to change the energetic signature
of the Earth so that it balances on a different
rotational axis. And so the real tragedy of this civilization

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from the Vedic text, you know, conventional scholars assume these
texts are between three to five thousand years old, but
the actual text themselves date themselves as being eighteen thousand
years old. And there are also very interesting undersea ruins
that have been found off the coast of India of

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the areas that are clearly built like the temples that
we see in India, many of which are pyramid like
in the way they're built. But then these areas underground, underwater. Uh.
They clearly we know they could not have been above
the water for twelve thousand years, just based on stratigraphy
and the natural progression of how the ocean levels have

(25:40):
changed over time. So we already have archaeological evidence in
which you have these temples. They're made out of stone,
they have the carvings in them, and the writings and
inscriptions in them, the correspond to what's in the Vedic texts,
and they are undersea in areas that geologists will openly
acknowledge not above sea for twelve thousand years. Therefore, what

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we appear to be dealing with in the records of
India is one side of this battle with an advanced
civilization that has been come to be called Atlantis. And Atlantis, remember,
was started by uh Plato, who actually had gotten it

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from the wisest man in Greece at the time, a
man called Solan, And this Greek philosopher had actually been
granted privileged access to the Egyptian priesthood. And this Egyptian
priesthood was connected to the Pyramids, and they had told
Solon about the legend of a law civilization and that
this civilization was far more advanced than we were at

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that time, and that there had actually been multiple civilizations
had come and gone. So this is where the Atlantis
legend comes from. It's from Plato's Timaus and Critias texts.
And it's very difficult for people to take this seriously
because of the alleged size of the continent. You know
where they're where. They're saying it's bigger than Libya, and

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it's in the middle of a giant ocean. The big
plot twist that everybody is starting to see now is
that Atlantis is what we now call Antarctica. It's the
same land mass, but that as a result of this
nuclear exchange that the Earth's access changed and that land
mass did flood like the legend says, but then the

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flood waters froze. So it's very likely that if we
were to go under the ice and Antarctica, if we could,
if we were allowed to, and that's another big thing,
that we would find a lot of very amazing ancient
ruins down there, and it looks similar to the stone
stuff we see all over the world. But then you
also have the idea that if Antarctica moved into a

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cold position, then so did Siberia. Siberia was not the
cold waste land that it is now, and so it's
very fast sinating to note that in the nineteen forties,
um Stalin had heard about Joseph Stalin, the dictator of Russia,
had heard about the Roswell incident, and he was aware

(28:14):
that the United States had come into possession of some
kind of hardware from alleged extraterrestrials. There was a story
about somebody digging up a weird missile in the nineteen tens,
and Stalin went back to that location and that the
person who had originally found the missile basically like a

(28:34):
steel looking fuselage. Um, they couldn't dig it out of
the ground. They didn't have the equipment or the staff
or the money. So Stalin goes back there in the
nineteen forties and finds the location where this weird missile
was located and they dig it up. Now, this is
where the story gets very very bizarre, because the missile

(28:55):
was covered in Sanskrit. Now, Sanskrit is the primitive language,
which is really not primitive. It's apparently an extraterrestrial language.
It was brought here from somewhere else. But Sanskrit is
the language that the Hindu scriptures were written in. Okay,
So now you have this weird missile like object that's
dug up, it's got Sanskrit inscriptions on it, and it

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has a level of technology that is way way in
excess of chemically propelled rockets that we have. Now in
addition to this, they found a vault. There was a
vault down there, and this is all documented by the
way this is accepted mainstream Russian history. I'm not making
this up, and look it up. It's called Russian roswell.
They found a vault down there, and inside the vault

(29:42):
it was like some kind of a capsule or chamber.
There were a series of books. And these books were
written in some cases in Sanskrit in some cases and
unidentifiable languages, and it had pictures in them of things
like spaceships and space stations with detailed blueprint diagrams on
how to construct them. And so the Soviet Union got

(30:03):
their hands on this stuff, and that allowed for there
to be this covert arms race between the US and
the USSR, where both sides are using recovered technology to
build these unacknowledged anti gravity spacecraft. In this basically like
a war with each other over who can get this
stuff the fastest under the cover of national security, because

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as soon as your enemy knows you have something, it's
not going to be a useful weapon anymore. So all
of this kind of history has been suppressed from the
public unfortunately. And there's there's a very salient, i would
say crucial fact to add here. Um, I want to
go back just briefly. There are probably some people in
the audience who are going to say, well, if there

(30:46):
were some sort of ancient nuclear war thousands and thousands
of years ago, why isn't there a higher amount of
radio activity occurring in some places? But we have to
remember that the fact is that some of the most
dangerous substances of this nature are like CCM on seven
strontium ninety and they both have half lives of only

(31:08):
thirty and twenty eight years. So a nuclear a nuclear war,
nuclear exchange could occur, and with so much time passing,
we we can't assume that we would run into someplace
with fantastically high radiation, which makes it more plausible than
some people might initially believe. But this when we're in

(31:31):
the modern day. What I what I love UM Well,
I love about you exploring the concept of secret technological
wars is that it's it's absolutely no secret at all
that the US military has a massive, gargantuan black budget,
you know, funds for classified purposes, but most, if not all,

(31:52):
of what that money pays for is a secret. What
what do you think happens with those trillions and trillions
of dollars spent by the Pentagon? Do you think any
of that goes into programs similar to what you just
described between the Russians and the US. Yeah, absolutely, unquestionably. Uh.
I have one of the insiders who has not come

(32:14):
forward yet but has said that he would. UM is
a guy who actually worked at places like every fifty
one UM working directly in concert with human looking extraterrestrial beings. Uh.
And they talk about very matter of factly about this.
When you get to this level of the military industrial complex,

(32:35):
they have open relations with a wide variety of extraterrestrial beings,
most of which look like US or approximately similar. In fact,
that the gray type is about as dissimilar as a
lot of them end up looking they most of them
look a lot more like us than you would think.
And this is where you get the ancient legends of

(32:56):
God's and this kind of stuff. But before I go
further down that road, I just want to loop back
to something else you said, because there was an implicit
assumption that you made, which is that there is no
evidence of a nuclear exchange that is actually not true.
The the very well known geologist Robert Shock, who has

(33:17):
always been a fixture in the ancient alien community, going
back to the with his speculations on the water weathering
on the back side of the Sphinx and how you
see clear evidence of erosion on the back of the
sphinx that looks like many thousands of years of water
running down and carving the smooth curves into it. That's

(33:39):
that's what he's most known for in our community, the
ancient astronaut community. But also Robert Shock's latest work is
showing that throughout the entire northern hemisphere of the Earth,
if you go back through the geological layers and you
go back to about twelve thousand five ago, they're about

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there is a five inch thick layer of black ash
all over the Northern hemisphere, fascinating, and it has micro
crystalline spheres in it. It has these micro tech types
as they're called, these tiny little crystalline objects that basically

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represent the super heat of the nuclear blast, taking all
these pieces of dirt and immediately turning them into little
glass balls that are microscopic. And there is that stuff,
literally five inches thick layer of this black ash all
over the Northern hemisphere. And then also we've discussed how
there are actual still existing radioactive hotspots in various places

(34:48):
in the Northern hemisphere, including an area around the Great
Lakes uh that is exactly exactly the type of radiation
that you would expect after nuclear exchange. Another great exam
pol that we talked about on ancient aliens is in
the Sahara Desert where you actually have this green glass
that people were picking up and they were getting radiation

(35:09):
poisoning from it, and this is what happens when a
bomb goes off over like in Hiroshima, Nagasaki. People were
picking up these pieces of glass and then they were
dying from them because it looked beautiful, but it was
highly radioactive. So the proof of that ancient nuclear exchange
is easy to make. It's just that it's not popularized.

(35:30):
It's something that's been suppressed from us. And this gets
back the second part of what you said, which is
this national security state and the suppression of where all
of our money is going. You know, why is the
Pentagon saying that they're losing trillions of dollars They can't
find it? And so getting back to my friend who

(35:51):
worked on eight eight different types of anti gravity that
he learned from actual exterrestrials teaching him this and then
doing the engine nearing work. Oh no, no, no, okay,
this is a guy who's never come forward. Um, he
may want to come forward. We've talked about it. It
would be fascinating if he did, because he would be

(36:12):
saying a lot of the same things that others have said.
He is one of the people I know who visited
our covert bases in Antarctica. There are hot spots geologically
down there from volcanic activity where the ice melts and
it's like a cave, and the Germans discovered it first
with their submarines. They could sail into these caves and

(36:33):
then they find out that there's land in there that
you can walk around on and if you light it
up and you know, take a look at it, you
can actually wear a T shirt in there. It's nice
and warm from the volcanoes. So there's ruins down there,
there's actual pyramids and stone structures and all that kind
of stuff. And there's a huge, huge covert presence down there,

(36:55):
and I have been given various code names of what
it's called. That's one of the ways that I figure
out who's real is. There's things that I don't disclose,
but I've spoken to lots of different insiders who have
actually been down there, and they've been under the ice
and Antarctica. And the really really amazing thing, of course,
is that there is a gigantic three mile wide spaceship

(37:19):
that they found under the ice and Antarctica. It crash
landed before it was all covered with ice. This thing
is totally amazing, UM. And they've been inside of it.
They've seen the rooms that people live in. Uh. They
had a very interesting system where all the waste from
the bathroom is then uh pumped into Everybody had like

(37:44):
a backyard inside the ship, so it appears that you're outdoors.
There's like a holographic projection where it looks like the sky,
and then your own bodily waste is used to funnel
into the growth of trees and grass and all the
stuff that you have in your yard inside this mother ship.
And another thing that was fascinating was they found many
smaller craft inside the large craft, and those craft look

(38:08):
exactly like the ancient Hindu depictions of the Vimana. So
wherever these people in the Vedas came from the Hindu Vedas,
it appears that our government has found their ship in Antarctica. Uh.
And there's been investigations where they're analyzing the debris and
the wreckage all the way back to the nineteen fifties.

(38:31):
There's some very strange stuff. This stuff does. You can
you can sing to the metal and it will change
shape and form that you can tell it what you
want to do and it will do it um. So
it's way way more advanced than the stuff that we
have now. And I've had various insiders tell me that
they are really jealous that I've been briefed on this

(38:52):
stuff and that I'm allowed to talk about it right now,
because they are planning on telling us about this stuff
in the future. But there's a lot of eyes that
I wish they could talk about it right now, but
they're not authorized to yet. They're jealous of me that
I get to talk about it. On how stuff works,
this this brings us to something that may be a
little bit of a personal question, but we know tons

(39:15):
of people in our audience are wondering this. Have you
or your associates ever been threatened or harassed or intimidated
or have you ever felt that you were not safe
due to the nature of your investigations? Absolutely, without question, Uh,
there are very powerful groups that have kept this information

(39:38):
hidden from us for a variety of different reasons. And
I'll give you a couple of examples of why they
would want to keep it secret. First of all, if
you guys have ever done examinations of how stuff works
in history, right you got into an examination of how
war works, then you would know that if, for example,

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you look at a period of history are everybody has
bronze weapons, and then somebody comes out with steel, the
steel is going to destroy the bronze, right, So everybody
with those steel swords is going to destroy the bronze. Similarly,
if you go back to a time in history where
everybody is fighting with bows, and arrows, and then somebody

(40:18):
comes out with the crossbow. The guys with the crossbows
are going to completely devastate the people with bows and arrows.
Whoever has the most destructive and effective technology in a
war is the winner, right, can we agree on that? So, therefore,
if you are a national security state, if your goal

(40:42):
is to make sure that your position of power is
not threatened, why in the world would you want to
tell the enemy, which in this case is the mass
public and therefore anybody who could start to do things
at home. Why would you tell the enemy that you
have a superior weapon. That's a good point. It's a
great question because we know that we know that there's solid,

(41:06):
there's solid, compelling evidence that, at least in the case
of the U. S military, uh, they are in possession
of technologies that the average public is unaware of and
doesn't have access to until years after their invention. And
let's pause there just for a moment. We're going to
hear a word from our sponsor and won't be right back.

(41:34):
You know, personally, my I oscillate between some skepticism and
then like full on believer of things. And in this case,
when we're talking about that massive spaceship uh, down beneath
the ice in Antarctica. I what makes you personally believe

(41:54):
through the accounts of others that this thing is real? Well,
I understand the difficulty that you're facing, and it's a
difficulty that I've faced as well. Um, I'm standing on
the mountaintop now, and I get to look down at
the whole path I took to get here, which has
taken me thirty thirty five years. And much of this
information came to me after many, many years of not

(42:17):
having it and working very hard and risking my life,
as you were just talking about to get this information. Uh.
Then when you actually can stand on the mountaintop and
see the whole road and talk about it in a
nice concise information chunks like this and on a radio show,
it would appear completely fantastic and completely ridiculous. And and

(42:39):
so I empathize with you because I am also a skeptic.
I Actually it's so funny because when I do public events,
people come up to me and they get wild eyed,
and they have all these amazing and fantastical stories that
I no, are probably not true in a lot of cases,
but everybody assumes that I have this gapingly open mind

(42:59):
and in fact, as weird as the things that I'm
saying are, I wouldn't ever want to bring something up
to you guys on the show like this if it
wasn't something I've independently heard from four or five different
insiders who have proven to me that they worked at
very highly classified levels for the military industrial complex. In

(43:19):
other words, I've seen the documents. I've confirmed that they
did serve in the military. I've confirmed I've seen pictures
of them with you know, very significant governmental figures in
certain cases, there's no doubt in my mind. And you
when you start to have ten, fifteen, twenty different people

(43:41):
that you can talk to who all have similar stories,
and then when you're talking to one of them, uh,
it's interesting. I just brought my wife in on a
call the other day with one of my old insiders
who hadn't spoken to in a while, who we call
Jacob in my book Essential Mysteries, and we actually ended
up talking to him for five hours. And the scope

(44:05):
of the conversation, the level at which Jacob and I talk,
the speed with which information comes out, the complexity of
the information, how interlocking it is, how amazingly deep and complex.
It is. It's impossible that somebody could make this up
as performance art. It's literally impossible. So we have had

(44:27):
several different folks who independently had the same code names
for these programs. They were aware that this ship is
down there, they've actually put their hands on it, they've
seen the inscriptions, they've gone inside, they've been down in Antarctica.
They've talked about how they got there, they've talked about
the protocols, the procedures, and there's just so many things

(44:50):
that they say that overlap with each other without them
knowing what each other actually said. To me that, as
I've said before, either I'm the victim of the greatest
most assicated disinformation campaign or history. But this is actually true.
This is very that's very well put, and we we
want to thank you so much for your time, David,

(45:12):
but we we feel like there's still just just a
few questions. We it's weird met that Matt and I
were talking about this before we got on air, and
we we were thinking, there's no way that we're going
to get to all of this stuff or to give it,
you know, give it anything more than a sort of
broad uh, scrutiny or abroad introduction for because many people

(45:36):
will have been somewhat familiar with these concepts on a
surface level and hopefully they'll want to go see Above Majestic,
right right. Uh, that's that's one of the questions that
we wanted to end on today. It's it's sort of
a two part question. Uh. The first is, Um, what

(45:57):
what has inspired you to create Above Majestic? And what
do you hope the audience, including our audience, uh, learns
from it? What what changes after they have after they
have watched the work? Well, again, we're you guys are
double clicking on something that has references How how much

(46:23):
of a cosmic download of of plate spinning do you
want me to do? And how many plates do you
want spinning? Or you've had enough in you you say, yeah,
I'm full, I gotta go now, I guess thanks fuddy. Well,
so we didn't really start to get into the topics
that Above Majestic covers yet in our interview here, and

(46:44):
that would be the central glue that holds the whole
film together. Is this idea of a secret space program
or a secret NASA and how long this has been
going on for Um? And this is another area in which,
like many of the things we've been talking about, it
does require a very flexible mind to properly appreciate what's

(47:10):
going on now. And I will say this, even if
a person is a skeptic and they are inclined to
think that this stuff is not true, there is a
pretty extraordinary learning curve just to familiarize yourself with what
the insiders are saying is really going on. In other words,

(47:32):
if you wanted to debunk this, if you want to
discredit this without just making blanket generalizations, which is usually
what they do, where they will attack the character of
the speaker like myself, and by making some kind of
rude character assault, they feel that they're invalidating all this
hardcore evidence. But if you actually wanted to go beyond

(47:53):
that and try to take a legitimate skeptical inquiry of
the data, first you have to become aware of what
the day it is. And that learning curve has taken
me years, and this is with multiple insiders who I
would speak to sometimes two hours a week for years
on on end, and every single conversation I'm learning all
this stuff that I didn't hear before. So I would

(48:16):
say the first step to understanding what's going on is
that it is vastly, vastly, vastly complex. It's so much
more complex than people could even imagine that it's very,
very tough to give people a sense of how much
they've been lied to, because that in and of itself
is a huge violation. We have been given a construct

(48:38):
of reality. We believe that we understand reality when the
actual greater reality around us is vastly larger. So if
you go back now, and I would say probably most
of your listeners could accept, at least on principle, that
the Roswell Crash may have actually been some kind of

(48:59):
exeterrestrial ants craft. That the evidence for this is irrefutable.
There's you know, our former native astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell
personally interviewed over seventy different witnesses to the Roswell crash.
Who saw this thing, who saw the bodies, who saw
it being hauled onto low Boys and and and and

(49:19):
you know, driven to Right Patterson Air Force Space, The
people who checked it into Right Patterson, the people who
saw it in the hangar, the people who saw the
bodies inside these tubes filled with blue liquid. I mean
it's it goes on and on and on. So let's
just say, as stage one of our philosophical premise, we're building,
Roswell really happened. Okay, Roswell was seven, that's seventy one

(49:44):
years ago. So if we are then saying that our
military industrial complex got access to fully operational hardware that
could be used to traverse our galaxy, and they had
this seventy years ago, don't you think maybe they figured
out how to build it, how to get it working again,

(50:06):
how to jump start the car, jump start the engine,
and even back to we have Colonel Philip Corso, a
witness who came forward and said that many technologies that
we have developed came from the Roswell crash, and he
mentioned fiber optic cables, he mentioned computer chips because remember

(50:28):
we go from vacuum tubes where like the Univac computer.
The reason why the word bug is used right is
one insect got inside that thing and it broke the
whole computer because it's little body hit the glass on
one of these vacuum tubes and it melts at the glass,
and then they have to go through this massive basketball's
court sized room of vacuum tubes to find which one

(50:50):
got the bug, and then all of a sudden we
get solid state transistors from Motorola, and then very shortly
thereafter we start getting computer chips where the transistors are
printed under a way from silicon. Now what's so crazy
is that when Corso came out with the fact that
it wasn't just you know, fiber optics and computer chips,

(51:12):
it's also led lights, it's lasers, it's delcro, it's kevlar.
And he says this in I had already gotten the
exact same information and the exact same pieces of technology
disclosed to me that they came from Roswell a year
before from an insider I met at a UFO conference.

(51:35):
And then even before that, a buddy that I had
in college had gotten this from his physics professor who
was the head of the department in n same information again,
and then it comes out in a book five years after,
four years after I first hear about it. So to me,
the concept that Roswell really happened as irrefutable because I've

(51:58):
been sitting on this knowledge of computer chips, led lights,
infrared night vision, all this stuff being reverse engineered from
extrescial technology I've had this for years, and then it
comes out from a new witness. Well, then the questions
I start asking this is again back in nine as well,
Oh my god, if they have interstellar craft seventy years ago,

(52:20):
what are they doing with it? Where are they going?
And obviously now the idea of NASA Apolo missions to
the movie, it's it's a laughable joke. They're they're way,
way way beyond that. So now you have to kind
of double click on that and say, well, my god,
if they've had these craft, if they can build them,

(52:40):
if they can fly out of our atmosphere and flash
the Solar system, flash of the galaxy, what haven't they done?
How many bases have they built? How many locations do
they have where there are people working. Then you start
hearing from insiders like Pete Peterson, who actually worked with
the Reggae administration. They called him Doctor Do because he

(53:01):
was the leading expert on classified technology for the Reagan administration,
and he came forward to me in two thousand nine.
Peterson is saying, yeah, we've had Americans all over the galaxy.
There's like thirty five different bases we have all throughout
the galaxy with Americans working at them today. And he

(53:21):
talked about how in the nineteen fifties they did this
thing called the brain Drain, mostly from third world countries,
a lot of people from Brazil uh. And what they
did is they recruited millions and millions of people. They
estimate something like fifty five to sixty five million people
that were brought out in the nineteen fifties from a
lot of They were very the claim of the crop,

(53:44):
you know, the most educated, the most intelligent, the most
savvy technology experts. They brought them out into this world
that they were building in space, and they've never come back,
and they have a mandatory breeding program, they have to
have children, and they live a very gemented life. And
most of these people have been told that the Earth
was destroyed in the nuclear war in the nineteen eighties,

(54:06):
so they don't even think they can come home. And
so there's literally what rich Dolan is called a breakaway civilization.
There's a whole separate world that's going on out in space,
and they are not allowed to have any contact with us,
and we are not allowed to have any contact with them.
And this is just some of the amazing stuff that
we get into and above majestic. So it is a

(54:29):
a film really about the secret space program, which has
never been done before. Nobody's ever made a film like this,
and and we certainly did not expect that it was
going to debut at number one on Apple and Amazon.
But I think that shows how amazing the demand is
for people to hear about these out of the box
alternative concepts. Oh yeah, man, it's a fascinating watch. You know,

(54:52):
even the most hardcore skeptics, as you say, are going
to find things in there that's it's going to blow
their mind a little bit. Um and at least I
don't see how it couldn't and at least send them
down rabbit hole after rabbit hole of their own research,
which is I think one of the best things you
can do for someone is just send them on their
own journey. Yeah. And I do want to point out

(55:12):
to everybody listening that in the film, several of the
people that are that are speaking about this or that have,
as you said, David, come forward with their identities. They
they are people who, as you said, have been vetted
they did actually work in the military. They're not. I
guess what I'm trying to say is it's not just

(55:33):
some random person from across the street, not just a
blogger or something. Um, it's yeah, not at all, not
at all. Anybody who made the cut and got into
that film did so because they had proven themselves to
the authentic Wow. And and like you said, it is
available now on Apple and on Amazon. I'm looking at
it on Amazon Prime. Not right now, you can well

(55:55):
I won't say how much it cost because it might
change when you're hearing this or whatever, but but it's
available right now as this is being recorded. Well. And
what's also amazing is that it started out as only
a purchase where you have to actually buy the movie
for four when it first debut, and now we have
it available as a rental. So if you if you

(56:17):
have a casual interest you just want to watch it once,
you can rent it. Um. However, buying it does include
a treasure trove of special features that I'm speaking in
where this kind of level of conversation we've been having
just goes on and on and on for hours. So
it's definitely worth it to get the whole thing. But yeah,

(56:37):
if you if you have a casual interest, you just
want to rent it, your your board and you've got
a big, big bowl of popcorn, You're probably gonna end
up eating the whole thing and have indigestion. Because this
is not a comfortable film to watch. It's a very
thought provoking and in some degrees an anxiety provoking movie.
And you know, if I could go back and do

(56:59):
any thing differently based on some of the feedback we've had,
I would just say, people, yeah, we we kind of
break the shell of the consensus reality. It is a
little shocking, it is a little disturbing, but the good
part is that this stuff is true. Even if maybe
certain aspects of what we think we know turn out
to be incorrect or need to be modified somehow, the

(57:22):
overall investigation is extremely sound. And the real spring loaded
fascinating thing for humanity is that once this stuff is declassified,
we immediately go into a star trek reality. We will
be able to visit other planets, We will be meeting extraterrestrials,
we will be working on spaceships. There's an extraordinary amount

(57:46):
of extraterrestrial ancient ruins that they simply don't have enough
people to explore right now. So understand that the amount
of archaeology that has been found because our solar system
is actually in a very popular part of our galaxy,
right next to a big stargate that goes to other galaxies.

(58:08):
It's something I talked about in ascension Mysteries. There is
good NASA science that proves that it's there. Okay, so
we are a very heavily trafficked solar system. There's lots
and lots of civilizations that have come and gone from here,
going back more than two billion years. So as a result,
there's an incredible amount of archaeology that needs to be done.

(58:32):
There's entire cities, entire ruined basis that have never really
been explored, that have unbelievable significance in terms of archaeology.
I mean absolutely utterly dwarfing the discovery of King Tut's
tomb and all the cool stuff that was in there.

(58:54):
We're talking about cities that held millions of people, with
their own technology, with their own own writing, that are
literally sitting there abandoned, and we know where they are,
and we have the technology to get there, but this
secret space program doesn't have anywhere near enough staff to
go and explore them. Some of them are on the Moon.

(59:16):
There's a lot of them actually in the Earth. There
are plenty of them on Mars. There's plenty of them
on other moons in our solar system, the moons of Jupiter,
the moons of Saturn. They are loaded with this so
called cosmic junkyard. And this is some dumpster diving that
I would be very happy to do because you might

(59:38):
find dumpster treasures in there like you can't even imagine. Well,
thank you again so much for joining us and speaking
at length with us about this. It's really been our pleasure.
And you know, it just keeps our keeps our mind going,
and we definitely want to believe and want to explore
all this stuff further. Well, I appreciate at that. And

(01:00:00):
and again, this is something that you can see in
a movie. It's a nice two hour, twelve minute download
that we really put a lot of time and energy into.
It's got a lot of great graphics and effects, and
it is well worth the time invested to see. Um,

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you don't have to believe that it's true, but even
if you just look at it to sci fi, it
is a very entertaining roller coaster ride. Awesome. Yeah, I
was I was going to throw in the same thing.
It's a wild ride indeed. Uh. David Wilcock again, thank
you for coming onto the show and introducing our audience

(01:00:41):
to uh some mind blowing concepts here. We do also
want to mention that if you would like to learn
more about David's work outside of Above Majestic, you can
visit his website Divine Cosmos dot com. That's correct. Thank you, guys,
I really appreciate you bringing me on awesome. All right,
thanks so much. That's all for us to day, folks.
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(01:01:04):
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