November 7, 2014 • 51 mins
Could there really be groups of people conducting Satanic rites -- not philosophical stances, but actual devil worship via ritual or even sacrifice? Where are these groups, if they exist?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs two ghosts and government cover ups. History is
writted with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Bellow everyone,
welcome back to the show. Today, Ben Matt, we're talking
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about somebody. Oh, I don't know who could it be?
Uh tell you what? It's someone who never gets mentioned
in awards speeches. Satan. That's right, Matt, that's right. Today
we are following up on our video podcast that came
out earlier with an audio podcast on Satan. The question
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of the day, which we addressed in our video podcast
was are there real Satan worshippers? Yes? And we found that,
in fact, yes there are. In basically the answer we
got in the YouTube comments was, of course, I guess
you will know a lot more about Satan worship than
we do. It's cool, we get it. Uh. We've been
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doing some research all week and finding all kinds of
fun things. So we're gonna give you kind of a
background on all of this stuff. We're gonna give you
some of the allegations against worshippers of Satan, and we're
gonna look at the reality of Luciferianism, which is a
slightly different thing. Um, and yeah, we'll come along with
for the ride. Yeah, hop on make a fallacty embargain
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with us for the rest of this podcast. I don't
know what that means. I promise this podcast is not
like seven years long. If a soul exists, you will
keep yours at the end. Uh. First, a little bit
of a disclaimer, Matt, you and I know that it
is incredibly difficult to talk about these sorts of subjects,
right absolutely, and we want to make sure that we're
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separating the facts from our opinions, and we will be
extremely careful to let you know what is our opinion, um,
and what are the facts? So yeah, right, yes, Satan
and when we hope you enjoyed this episode, and if
you do love it, please let us know if you
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do have a problem, there's something you think we got
completely wrong. Uh, please remember that because these things are
so subjective. Uh, it's very easy for anyone, including Matt,
myself and possibly you a listener, to mistake an opinion
for a fact, even even super producer Noel, who needs
a shout out here, Noel, we had some people right
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in by the way about the Halloween special. You kinda
did a great job. Yeah, I've got some tweets asking
where the music is. We've got some great emails about it. Anyhow,
Satan Noel, I think, did it on his own, with
his own blood, sweat and tears, and no dark deals
with Mephistopheles. Uh. In the conventional Christian sense, right, Satan
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is who matt. He is a rebellious angel. Some say
he was the most loved by God, but he did
God wrong, and uh, he had to go to a
place down below. Right. In some of the Aramaic religions
or in stories right ancient stories about Lucifer, or the
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devil as the entity is known today, the devil really
loses huge points with God when God creates humans, who
are God's new favorite thing ever, and he tells all
the angels. God tells all the angels to bow down
before humans, and Lucifer is no man. I was here first.
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I'm gonna come on, you can't do that to me. Yeah,
he was like, this is bunk and this is dumb. Well, yeah,
it's an It's an interesting idea goes back to when
you look at children and families where there are multiple
children and the psychology behind being the firstborn, second born,
like a middle child or a third child. And um,
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the I've got a lot of the stuff kind of
right about the internal Uh, let's say demons that you
have to fight. Huh, interesting comparison. I haven't. I have
not thought about it that way. But we do know that, uh,
we do know that some of these stories are repeated
throughout the three Abramatic religions, right um. And we know
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that the cause of this rebellion, right Uh, however it happens,
of course, the details differ, right Uh as far as
the timeline and when Satan falls, but we know that
because of this rebellion, he becomes the antagonist of this universe,
of this belief system. Uh. And this interpretation of Satan
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has changed over time. So modern Christianity today associates Satan
with the serpent and Adam and Eve, who's going, hey,
come on, man, just eat the fruit. Why why are
you being You're being so weird? Eve? Um, Well, it
Satan himself. As as we mentioned the video, the actual
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individual is more of a New Testament thing. Yeah. Then
in the New Testament you see Satan come along when
he's tempting Jesus. Uh, when he's out on when Jesus
is out on his wilderness journey, um, and he's kind
of seen as a tempter there where he's trying to
get Jesus to move away from his faith by offering
him things. Sure. Yeah, they have that lion king moment
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where they stand in the cliff and he says, all
of this can be yours if you just do what
I say, essentially, if you just choose me over God.
So this concept of an adversarial spirit is far from unique.
Many religions have adversarial entities, right, And it's possible that
the modern understanding of Satan in the Christian and perhaps
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the Islamic religion as well, uh derive apart from religious syncretism,
the melding of different religions when they meet. So we've
got the abra concepts dating back to how Satan the
just obstructor the challenger uh two, and pre existing religions,
particularly Babylonian, which was fascinating to me. Met. Yeah, we
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took a look at Zoras Zoroastrianism, which is cool. It
did some just some Wikipedia even just to make sure
I match up all the imagery and everything. That's fascinating.
One interesting thing that we found in our research is
that one group's God uh can be another group Satan
and vice versa. And we found this in a couple
of different places. What's the name of that group, Gnosticism, Gnostics,
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the Gnostics. This is a name for a group of beliefs.
The practitioners believe that the material world, this the one
that we are existing on that you're listening to this
podcast in was created and is ruled by a demiurge
or creator, who is not God, the ruler of the
spirit world. So God, the actual God, rules the spirit world,
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and this demi urge rules the material plane, all right,
And we know that this demi urge is not the
best entity, not the best thing. In fact, it's often
an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul or spirit
from reaching the higher plane. Uh. You'll hear it called
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names like jaldabo Um. There. There's some great moments in
Gnostic literature about this Yaldebat, this chief ar con Um.
In this system, what we think of as the main
God is instead this stemi urge. And Uh, there's a
higher plane with a benevolent creator that exists in the
spiritual world. So if you can cast your memory back
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their Lord. To borrow from a Van Morrison song. Uh.
Two centuries and centuries ago when people would say this
is the God that we worship, and then these gnostic
folks would say, oh, your god is the bad guy
though we're doing something else. So you guys are sword
of devil worshipers. But of course it wasn't phrased in
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that way, and these beliefs, gnostic beliefs were considered heretical
and very close to uh Satanism. But it's it's a
different interpretation, you know what I mean. We do know
that there are different types of straight up Satanism though,
so the one that you probably know about the most
was started by this guy named Anton LaVey. It's called
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the system, is also called atheistic Satanism. It's a religious
philosophy that bases a lot of its system of belief
on egoism, individualism, and self identification. So you you are
the most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Okay,
but it's still it's still I think counts in a
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religious way because they practice magic, right, Oh yeah, they
practice magic um, but they do not worship Satan or
the devil. Okay, so they worship the symbol that exactly
this Luciferian uh almost Promethean lightbringer. That's what they're worshiping.
And we found that that's pretty common, at least from
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when I was searching around. That's a fairly common thing.
And people who say they worship Satan or the Devil,
they use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshiping
a deity or antideity. So then in this case, we
know that this would not this would not be the
real Satan worshippers that we're talking about in our videos
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or in the title question of this podcast. Not necessarily
they fit in because of you know, they called themselves. Yeah,
but yeah, okay, well we we know that you can
read more about this type of Satanism in Anton LaVey's
book The Satanic Bible, and we have a list of
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some of their rules. Again, these were made by Anton LaVey.
These did not come down from some sort of golden
tablet equivalent or whatever. He's pretty transparent about that. Yeah,
and you know it's what so this is the opinion time,
but I feel like it should definitely be called Livyism
rather than Satanism. Just because it was kind of written
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by one guy. I see what you're saying, and I
wonder if you know, I wonder what the choice was
to say that. I guess it's because the symbol informs
so much of the belief system. But you know, that's
the thing. If you make something up, you get to
name it. It's true and no offense of the guy.
But saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in
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getting some press from what I understand, And you know,
not to make this an anton leave a podcast that uh,
he had been practicing things like this for some time
before he gathered this material and made a religion. And
although there have been some schisms in the Church of
Satan between the church's runners, right and uh LaVey's daughter, Uh,
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the organization itself continues today. Um, so I'm not doing it, yeah,
and certainly not doging it. I'm just I don't know,
maybe stating an obvious thing, yeah, livsm but maybe I
don't know. People's question would be who is Aunton LaVey?
And sure, right, well here's the thing, despite the name,
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they advocate some things that are actually not that bad philosophically.
I don't completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Uh. Here,
here's some of the factual things, Matt. Maybe you and
I can alternate on this. So he has a thing
called the nine Satanic statements, and they are Satan represents
indulgence instead of abstinence. Uh. Satan represents vital existence instead
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of spiritual pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of
hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve
it instead of love wasted on ingrades sick burn. Satan
represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek, and represents
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responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires,
which we also have a video series on check it out.
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more
often worse than those that walk on all fours, who,
because of his divine, spiritual and intellectual development, has become
the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of
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the really controversial ones. Met Uh. Satan represents all of
the so called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental,
or emotional gratification, murder, murder. I guess I'm not sure.
It's kind of a blanket statement. But there's one more.
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had,
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as he has kept it in business all these years.
So we see here there's a blunt candor to uh.
These statements. Now, these are not necessarily the commandments. These
are sort of mission statements of what this sort of
Satanism is. However, we do have what Levey calls the
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Satanic rules of the earth. And not to be outdone,
he made eleven instead of ten. That's right, and here
they are. One. Do not give opinions or advice unless
you're asked to. Do not tell your troubles to others
unless you are sure they want to hear them. That's
good advice. Actually, it's pretty good when in another's layer,
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show them respect or else do not go there, agreed
for if a guest in your layer annoys, you treat
them cruelly and without mercy to your house, I guess.
Do not make sexual advances unless you're given the mating signal,
which is yeah they now without I was gonna say,
without knowing what the mating signal is, I respect the idea,
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but I would definitely want to know what it is,
because I don't want to accidentally be in that kind
of environment and make a mating signal. You know, we
need to come up with a universal human mating signal. Yeah,
there's some like body language things, but I don't know
if there's a one size fits all answer anyhow, that's
another day. Okay, I'm glad that you thought that was
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a strange one to Uh. Six, this is pretty good.
Uh do not take that which does not belong to you.
Pretty good so far. But wait, there's a comma. Unless
it's a burden to the other person and they cry
out to be relieved, that could be take this for
har from from me, please. I you know I'm taking
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it for you from you. I really appreciate it. I'll
see you tomorrow. Acknowledge the power of magic if you
have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you
deny the power of magic after having called upon it
with success, you will lose all you have obtained. Eight.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not
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subject yourself. Well, I just want to go back to
the previous one. Really fast bend because um, they totally
said magically. Yeah, like magic, magic is real and believe it.
If you don't, you're gonna lose all the things you conjured.
You know. One thing that's interesting about this is uh
a friend of mine who is a professor. He studies
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esoteric matters like the concept of magic and the digital age,
the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence
may soon exist. And he said something really interesting to
me one time. He said, if you don't like the
term magic, if you're just reacting to that term the
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same way as people would react to something like conspiracy
theorists or you know, uh, some kind of political appellation,
then don't consider it magic. Call it weaponized psychology. And
I thought that was really insightful. You know, I dig
it be I dig it too. I don't know if
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that's the same thing that these people are talking about.
Perhaps absolutely, because in full disclosure, met, neither of us
are Satanist, right right, No Satanist? Are you a Satanist? Fairs,
he's a fair weather Satanist. Okay, So I guess when
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it works out. Okay, so you're a you're a you're
a Satanist the way that people are fans of the
falcons here in Georgia. Oh yeah, all right, but we're
not done. I have to also say, Ben, the one
about that you just said, do not complain about anything
you don't you don't have to. Yeah, you know, you
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don't have to subject yourself to amazing. Yeah. A lot
of people get the martyr complex and say, I wish
that my life is so tough. I wish it didn't
have to do this thing. And then this satanic rule
just points out, well, if you don't have to, and
you really don't want to, then why are you doing it?
Smart Next, do not harm young children. I think we
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can all agree with that. Everybody can get behind that one, right. Uh. Ten,
do not kill non human animals unless you are attacked
or for your food. So don't kill animals for funzies again, Okay,
that makes sense. What about for sacrifices? I think that
is um. I mean it's you know, you're not being attacked,
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it's not for food. Yeah, I don't know, unless you're
gonna eat it later. Well, maybe that's levy Ish Satanism instead,
because we know that there are other kinds of Satanist.
I've said too much, all right, what's the very last one?
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone
bothers you ask him to stop. If he does not stop,
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destroy him. That's so metal. Yeah, dude. Um, And and
of course you know, I want to point out again
that these things we're talking about, while I don't agree
with everything, that is just one person's opinion. And the
rules that are outlined here, those eleven, uh, makes some
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really good points. Honestly, they do. Don't hurt kids, don't
hurt animals. Makes much so much more sense than it
would if somebody just had heard that there were eleven
satanic rules of the earth and you didn't know anything
about them, you would assume so much worse, way different. Yeah,
and this, if anything, these are sort of rules of
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conduct that I think if I saw some my behaving
this way, I would consider them an upstanding person. Yeah.
It's an alternative moral code to the one that a
lot of us may be new growing up. Yeah. Can
I read you the may I read you the Satanic sins? Though?
Because he ends, all right, you ready, okay? And these
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are Anton LaVey said these in seven and he said
these are the things you should avoid. They're only nine stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism,
self deceit, heard, conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxes,
counterproductive pride, lack of aesthetics. So like having bad style
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or not appreciating beauty is a sin. That's that's very interesting.
But as we're about to find out, that is only
one kind of Satanist, and that is the kind of
Satanists that a lot of people in the West are
familiar with. Right, Yes, so we're gonna get into that
right when we return, because it's time for Word our sponsor,
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and we are back, let's cut past all of the
philosophical Satanism that we talked about, which, of course is
I think, as you said very well, Matt, it's an
alternative belief system or value system that doesn't necessarily make
it a terrible thing, and it's certainly not a reason
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to persecute someone, especially in the country that has freedom
of religion like the US. Yeah. To me, the that
type of Satanism seems like a very constructed form of individualism. Yeah. Yeah,
there's something kind of I'm randy a ship about it. Uh,
there's a little bit of objectivism there, but that's not
what we're talking about. LeadSA gentleman. Thanks for hanging out
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I don't know about you, Matt. Again, that's just my opinion.
This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah, sure,
definitely it's gonna get dark. Yeah. I can hear it
getting darker already. I can hear it too. Yeah, our
synaesthesia is kicking in. And what we are talking about now,
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ladies and gentlemen, is not the levash Satanist or the
atheistic Satanist, but the theistic Satanist. These are the people
who believe that there is a bad guy in the universe,
there is an unholy entity working against the creator of
reality or illuminating it. And they said, you know what,
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let's pray to that guy. Yeah, I like that guy.
So they also engage in ceremonial magic. However, there are
some things. As you and I were looking into Satan worship, right,
theistic satan worship, we learned that there are some things
that a lot of people haven't considered, especially when they're
moral panics about widespread state worship. Yeah. So what we
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have learned, Ben, is that accusations of Satan worship occur
a lot more than the actual worshiping of Satan, a
lot like the witches back in the day. There are
a lot more people accused of a witch then we're witches.
And the same with McCarthy is um and communists. Um.
It's just you know, when there's something that scares you, uh,
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you may be more inclined to accuse somebody of this
thing that you're afraid of. I see, and we know
that while people who were accused of witchcraft back during
the Inquisition and other witch hunts, uh, while they were
possibly not Christian, they probably weren't worshiping you know, Lucifer.
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There's there's fairly compelling evidence that some people accused of
witchcraft were practicing pagan religion of some sort right, or
something that might be a heretical belief system. Accusations of witchcraft, however,
often had political or social motives behind them, especially during
periods of time when an accuser or an inquisitor would
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potentially be entitled to part of the witches a state
run conviction exact lear if they had anything to gain
whatsoever from this person not being there. Um, we can
see similar patterns and all kinds of social panics. So
we talked about a couple of those. Even if you
look at music like rock music, um all the way
to the accusations of hip hop performers like jay Z
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being secretly and leave with the Illuminati, which by the way,
we cover and check out our video. And you know,
through the Illuminati a lot of the times it gets
lumped in with the Devil, that there's a belief that
the Illuminati overall worships the Devil, or at least an
evil entity. Right. There's a story here that I thought
was interesting. At one time, Judas Priest was accused of
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being responsible for a crime that happened. The mother of
this child said that listening to Judas Priests had compelled
her son to criminal acts. Uh, And they talked about
what's called backward masking, Yes, and what what is that?
Like you have a better understanding of this. That's it's
pretty simple. Back in the day, when you have the records,
a lot of the times you could just you play
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the record backwards, and when you listen to the music backwards,
the speech patterns of the vocals sound strange, and sometimes
it sounds like words are being spoken and hidden when
you play it backwards. So Judas Priests defense against this accusation,
which won the day in court actually was that if
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they had done backward masking, they would have done something
like by seven more albums, which I think is a
fairly compelling but also pretty accurate. So we know that
we know that this stuff continues the vast majority of
people who self identify as theistic Satanist and you can
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find these organizations where these individuals easily online. They come
from comparatively recent organizations in history. Uh. What we mean
by this is there relatively new ideologies or denominations, and
of course you will find a wealth of people insisting
that they're from what is sort of the golden goose
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of our question, a multigenerational theistic Satan worshiping community. Uh,
similar to the way that the family in True Detective
Right is uh, not quite Satanic, but definitely a neopagan,
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very messed up, evil thing. And what we found out
from our video that, you know, the thing that at
least the creator of that series talked about there was
that one case where there actually was a group of
Satan worshippers who at least they believed they worshiped Satan right,
and that is a pretty disturbing story. I thought you
did a great job editing that. I know. That's one
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of those sometimes you guys, when Matt and I go
into something pretty deep and dark, uh, we feel like
you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah, I
go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in the dark.
But we do know that if there are real multi
generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there are some
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problems will verifying their existence. How do we how do
we say it? Right? Yeah? Well, sure that this sort
of worship was I mean, you could get yourself killed,
executed by the state or the church for a long
time there. Um. I mean it would be very difficult
to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty much at
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any time, even right now, it would be difficult. I think,
with as progressive as we are right now, if you're
super open about it, I think your life is not
going to be easy at least well, especially if you're
if you're a person who is worshiping the idea of
Satan is presented in the Bible right or in biblical canon,
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because then you would be actively doing things that are
against the law. Your alignment would be I believe, chaotic evil.
If we're doing a role plane joke. Yeah, well there's
another thing here too. Numerous organizations purporting to have some
sort of ancient lineage have been proven to be hoaxes,
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or at least, if we're going to give them a
benefit of a doubt, they have been lying at least
in part about their origin. Uh. I want to say
something else to earlier I said neopagan. Uh. I don't
believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil about Neopaganism.
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I mean it's one of those who I haven't seen
in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's band together
and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure, I'm never
heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that I can recall. Well,
history is long, and there's a lot of stuff for
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us to dig through. I'm sure we could find the
last thing I want to mention here are Freemasons. Now
we will go online and you will see all kinds
of videos and websites about how Freemason's worship lucifer um.
I got a book for Christmas a couple of years
ago called Freemason's One on One. Now, I'm not saying
it's the Bible of the Freemasons. Or you know, it's
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not the go to book. You can't go there and
find all the answers. Um. But it talked a lot
about how there was some confusion about worshiping the Devil
with Freemasons. I don't have all the information, but I
would highly recommend you going out there and doing some research,
um if you hear about this kind of thing, because
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a lot of it, at least from my experience, is
rumor um and probably not true. But I don't know
for sure. I see you're saying that's fair. We know
that Freemason lodges have acquired at times uh shady reputation,
but a lot of that would be judging off of
one bad apple in many ways. Well, and it's also
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just secrecy in itself. Sure, and there's there's a great
deal of Um, there is a great deal of inherent
secrecy and something like that. However, in the age of
the Internet, it is super super easy to find that information. Now,
is it disrespectful to people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah,
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you know, in in a lot of ways it is.
It's uh, certainly, for instance, it would be disrespectful to
scientologists right where a lot of the documents that are
supposed to be restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they
are available free online and uh, you know it. It
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goes back to your idea of is this ethical? But yeah,
with freemasons, a lot of the fascinating stories that you
can read here, um, nowadays, they're gonna tend to be
more factual than the rumors that would spread, you know,
when people didn't have the ability to google something. The
Internet does tend to shed light on things, too many
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things sometimes, and all kinds of noise as well. Right,
that's a very interesting point. I don't know if we
ever talked about this is so tangential, but there's this
there's this great idea that secrecy used to be based
on restricting information right before the digital age, and now
it's based on inundating you with information. And I always wonder,
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when we're really cooking with gas, Matt, I always wonder
if we're going to find one of those needles in
the haystack, you know, when those diamonds in the rough,
and have somebody show up at our tours. Jeez, well,
I can give you one little needle in the haystack.
What's that? The trans specific Partnership uh. Feel just to
me this is completely uh in my opinion, but it
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seems like there are a lot of things happening and
in the new right now that might beat obvious skate
the idea of the trans specific partnership. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Let's look into it, let's find out.
And listeners, those of you who perked up when you
heard us mentioned this right to us and let us
know if you want us to cover this in more depth.
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But before continue with our allegations of Satanism, speaking of Freemasons, Uh,
I have a book that I thought people would enjoy that.
Oh heck yeah, let's hear run it alright. So it's
called The Origin of Satan How Christians demonized Jews, Pagans
and Heretics. This is clearly coming from an agenda of
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sorts written by an author named Elaine Pagels and narrated
by Suzanne Torren. Uh. This is an audio book that
I would recommend to our listeners who want to learn
more about the history and evolution of the modern figure
that we equate with Satan today. And if you want
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time time. This is just a giant list that Ben
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and I are going to go through. If you hear
something that you're interested in, get on that Google and
just find it. Man. There's all kinds of stuff for
you on that Google and you can find it. But
be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's a
lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it starts
searching you whatever that was better in my head. So
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one thing that we noticed in our YouTube comments is
that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover
uh these various groups that are clearly Satanist, And we
have covered these folks. So if we say something strikes
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Then once you know dot com and you will probably
find one, two or even three part series on these
on these guys. So, with a devilish drumroll, please perfect,
let's start naming groups accused of Satanism. Was unexpected, it
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was really good. So the first one is the Illuminati,
nice to beat me to it? Uh, all right? And
the Bohemian grove ben ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities,
but who knows. Maybe not. What about the Royal family? Ah? Yes,
which one? Right? All of them? All of them? Uh?
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What about the builder Bergs, Oh that's a great one.
Trilateral Commission, the Business Council, Oh yeah, and uh what
about the Rothchild's, Oh that's one of those families. About
any of those families, the war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any
name that you think is associated with having a certain
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amount of money, I'm surprised really that Bill Gates and
Warren Buffett haven't been accused of Satanism yet. We just
haven't found the accusation. It's somewhere small on a geo
cities page, right, yeah, as geo cities. Uh it's not
online anymore, is it. You have to use the way
back machine. It's true, but it's there. Uh. Let's see.
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So we did the Freemasons, the Rose Crucians, Uh, the
Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh, let's see what else. Uh,
the Jesuits of all people at times have been accused
of worshiping Satan. It's very strange to me. Have you
even seen the Catholic Church itself? Like the Vatican lumped
in there because of some of the symbols that they use,
(36:23):
uh like that the acorn and what was the other thing?
Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh the obelisks are a
huge thing too. And if you I don't blame people,
because if you just look at an obelisk, it's really weird.
And why, of all things did you build that strangely
phallic monument? Why? Okay, well I guess I just thank you.
(36:46):
You just you just hit me to it. Actually, it
does go back to Yeah, the male phallic imagery. That's
never be the same. But the let's see some other
groups that have been accused of the UH. It's sad
and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we didn't
point it out. Over the course of history, the three
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Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought in
those three religions, have accused each other more or less
continually across history of UH not only being misled in
their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils.
(37:29):
So they said this about UH. Christians have said this
about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right
and is UH people who follow Islam have said this
about other religions. It's a mess. I think it's interesting.
It goes back to the idea that Satan is this
great trickster and will make you believe that something is
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true that is not and something it's not true that is.
So you basically get um mixed around and you think
that what's up this down down is up, and then
you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought you were
worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea and why
it kind of shapes the views of the other religions
at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll see this,
(38:13):
and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that because you
see that idea playing out in uh purported explanations of
a Freemason power structure to right, that there's only an
inner circle who knows what's actually going on, and the
outer circle is just there for you know, social cash a. Yeah,
you're worshiping the Great Architect. Didn't know the Great Architect
(38:33):
is Satan voice is killing me, man, my bad. I
don't know what happened. It's like it's not even coming
from you. I'm hearing it in different corners of the room.
And that's weird. Yeah, Noel's crying a little bit of blood,
that's strange. Well, let's soul drawing. Oh God, get a tissue.
(38:55):
But now finally our million million dollar question, Okay, are
there so from these allegations which have not been proven,
are there genuine cases of people purposely conducting evil rights
to venerate or communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster
beyond the stars? You know what I mean? Like, is that?
(39:18):
Is it real? That was poetic. Man. Oh thanks many. Yep.
There are the cases we mentioned on the show, with
the one that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective,
and that is definitely something that would caution you about
if you are easily offended or bothered. There there are
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some very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know
those cases we mentioned on the show. Uh, there's an
alleged devil worship ring in Italy known as the Beast
of Satan. I found a biased source Christian World News
that estimates there are eight hundred satanic call it's an
Italy alone, and we had to note those have not
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been proven. There have been numerous serial killers that claim
to be involved with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts,
some kind of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes
killers like the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Honest Tool,
and a bunch more. And you can look into the
four Pie movement. The Hand of Death super interesting. We
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did an episode on that and it's still to this
day one of the most Uh. I don't know. I'll
sit down and watch it sometimes even though I know
exactly what's gonna happen. It's just weird. I'm surprised that
there has not been an in depth feature film on
that because it's such a strange and fascinating story. But
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then there are other people, perhaps you listeners, who say,
if you think about it, it's not surprising at all.
All Right, there's another book that we found in the
name of Satan. Uh. This book concerns an incident where
these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashmutt and Joe Fiorella. We're
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in a band called Hatred, and they believe that they
have found a way to make the ultimate offering to
the Prince of darkness. They sacrificed an innocent girl, uh
and dragged her to an area they believed would serve
as a devil's alter. They drugged her, the attacked her,
they stabbed her. And we'll find that a lot of
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the cases of people who are saying that they are
a theistic Satanist uh there really throwing this idea on
this sort of window dressing to their crimes, you know. Uh.
And so it's more I think the case cases of
disturbed individuals. Yeah, well, to me, it's almost and not
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an excuse to go through with some of those dark thoughts.
But it's a maybe for the person, it's a nice
way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah, not nice
at all. It's not nice at all. It's just a
way for them to just it. I imagine that's correct,
which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example
if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a
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young married British couple admitted to a ritual satanic killing UH,
and they were told they could spend the rest of
their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief
then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH.
Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time,
told the German courts she had become a vampire in London,
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and her husband, Daniel rudda I assume six, was given
a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her
fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of
their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany,
and if you read the details of the story, one
of the reasons they picked him is because he had
sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles, really yeah,
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which doesn't sound it sounds to me more like a
rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh.
You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so
gives about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah.
In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers
murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred
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and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds
is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil,
which not to be pedantic. The number is not actually
six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's
possible that that number is actually six one six, So
they're not doing their research. But these these people, this
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gang would kidnap. They kidnapped kids who were sixteen seventeen,
which I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and
then attack them. And this was in Russia, about three
hundred miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of
their victims, which brings us to one other case. And
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I you know, we're hammering at home, but we're barely
scratching the surface of murders that are alleged to be
part of Satanic rights. This past month that for anyone
listening to this podcast when it comes out October. Uh,
just as people were preparing for Halloween, three people were
(44:27):
arrested for killing and cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens,
North Carolina. Uh. The male who is you know, sort
of the ring leader, is named pozzuzu Ila al Garard,
thirty five years old, and his accomplices list is Amber
Nicole Birch, Crystal Nicole Matlock. Uh so, and those are
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just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah, I think
that those are gonna be the main three. Uh. This Pozsus,
you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey, does
that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from The Exorcist.
Turns out Pazus, who's mother is a Satanist and named
her son that. Oh that was just gonna turn out great,
(45:15):
wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the I don't know the
entirety of the story. I know that they're still looking
for more bodies. They found the men buried in the backyard,
and they found animals as well. Uh so these are
certainly not leave a type Satanist or atheistic Satanist. So
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Matt gotta ask you my favorite part of the show
what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh, don't name your
children names of demons from popular films. You're just setting
yourself up for failure or maybe when depending on what
you believe. But I would say, don't do that. I
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think ben that this is a real thing. Mm hmm.
People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot
of things, and I personally don't think that a satan
or a satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However,
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I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that
it's true and do things like we said before to uh,
I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what
you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me
because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy
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theories in the in the world of this sort of thought,
and that's the idea that the earth is run, or
at least part of the earth is run by a
faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing,
As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to
have a seek religion, and really, when we see most
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of that, it's just it's religion where outsiders are not
allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know
that there is a religion that you're not part of.
For something to be so secret that people don't even
know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long, long,
long time, I was very, very skeptical about this um,
(47:25):
but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me
that it is possible for people at the top of
a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never
have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the
child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh regarding Cyril Smith, um,
(47:54):
what's his name, Jimmy Seville and Uh, these guys kept
secrets for decades and they had assistance from the government.
And if we just took out child abuse and put
in Satanism, Uh, then the mechanism of keeping something like
that secret still holds, which is terrifying. It would be
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just just as an an anecdote here, I used to
work at a country club, a prominent country club in Atlanta,
and I knew a lot of the members names because
I worked there. And one of the things was you
had to address people by their names when they show up.
One of the only things you'll find if you go
(48:38):
online and search for this group or the members of
this club is an old web page that you have
to have a member. I d to log in and
search it at all. And I was trying to find, like,
look up some of these old members because I actually,
uh somewhat became friends with some of them, and you
can't find their names anywhere, some of these really prominent people.
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It just makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man,
if it's that easy to hide yourself on the internet. Ah, yeah,
just for that simple thing, like your information about being
a member of a country club. Privacy is one of
the new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's
it's increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So
(49:25):
I can see how it's definitely at a premium. And
I guess what you and I are both saying then,
is that through different means, we have found that it
is possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that
secret be a crime or whether that secret be some
sort of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um,
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especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently
to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um,
even in some cases leaf systems that specifically say people
like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but
enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast.
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We would like to hear what you think. Are there
real devil worshippers? Are they multi generational? Are they spanning
the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or
usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if
there is a group like that, what exactly do you
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think they worship? What? Like? Heck is it? Man? We'd
love to hear your ideas, and we would also like
to hear your suggestions for upcoming episodes. We want to
give a big thank you to everybody sent in Halloween costumes.
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his name incorrectly, Sorry, dude, I did it too. Thank
you so much for sending in that the story that
we read last week, it was great. You're wrong, Yeah,
we really appreciate it. And we also have a bank
of great stories that we might come back to. Uh,
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welcome back to the show. Today, Ben Matt, we're talking
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about somebody. Oh, I don't know who could it be?
Uh tell you what? It's someone who never gets mentioned
in awards speeches. Satan. That's right, Matt, that's right. Today
we are following up on our video podcast that came
out earlier with an audio podcast on Satan. The question
(00:44):
of the day, which we addressed in our video podcast
was are there real Satan worshippers? Yes? And we found that,
in fact, yes there are. In basically the answer we
got in the YouTube comments was, of course, I guess
you will know a lot more about Satan worship than
we do. It's cool, we get it. Uh. We've been
(01:05):
doing some research all week and finding all kinds of
fun things. So we're gonna give you kind of a
background on all of this stuff. We're gonna give you
some of the allegations against worshippers of Satan, and we're
gonna look at the reality of Luciferianism, which is a
slightly different thing. Um, and yeah, we'll come along with
for the ride. Yeah, hop on make a fallacty embargain
(01:28):
with us for the rest of this podcast. I don't
know what that means. I promise this podcast is not
like seven years long. If a soul exists, you will
keep yours at the end. Uh. First, a little bit
of a disclaimer, Matt, you and I know that it
is incredibly difficult to talk about these sorts of subjects,
right absolutely, and we want to make sure that we're
(01:49):
separating the facts from our opinions, and we will be
extremely careful to let you know what is our opinion, um,
and what are the facts? So yeah, right, yes, Satan
and when we hope you enjoyed this episode, and if
you do love it, please let us know if you
(02:10):
do have a problem, there's something you think we got
completely wrong. Uh, please remember that because these things are
so subjective. Uh, it's very easy for anyone, including Matt,
myself and possibly you a listener, to mistake an opinion
for a fact, even even super producer Noel, who needs
a shout out here, Noel, we had some people right
(02:33):
in by the way about the Halloween special. You kinda
did a great job. Yeah, I've got some tweets asking
where the music is. We've got some great emails about it. Anyhow,
Satan Noel, I think, did it on his own, with
his own blood, sweat and tears, and no dark deals
with Mephistopheles. Uh. In the conventional Christian sense, right, Satan
(02:56):
is who matt. He is a rebellious angel. Some say
he was the most loved by God, but he did
God wrong, and uh, he had to go to a
place down below. Right. In some of the Aramaic religions
or in stories right ancient stories about Lucifer, or the
(03:18):
devil as the entity is known today, the devil really
loses huge points with God when God creates humans, who
are God's new favorite thing ever, and he tells all
the angels. God tells all the angels to bow down
before humans, and Lucifer is no man. I was here first.
(03:38):
I'm gonna come on, you can't do that to me. Yeah,
he was like, this is bunk and this is dumb. Well, yeah,
it's an It's an interesting idea goes back to when
you look at children and families where there are multiple
children and the psychology behind being the firstborn, second born,
like a middle child or a third child. And um,
(03:59):
the I've got a lot of the stuff kind of
right about the internal Uh, let's say demons that you
have to fight. Huh, interesting comparison. I haven't. I have
not thought about it that way. But we do know that, uh,
we do know that some of these stories are repeated
throughout the three Abramatic religions, right um. And we know
(04:21):
that the cause of this rebellion, right Uh, however it happens,
of course, the details differ, right Uh as far as
the timeline and when Satan falls, but we know that
because of this rebellion, he becomes the antagonist of this universe,
of this belief system. Uh. And this interpretation of Satan
(04:43):
has changed over time. So modern Christianity today associates Satan
with the serpent and Adam and Eve, who's going, hey,
come on, man, just eat the fruit. Why why are
you being You're being so weird? Eve? Um, Well, it
Satan himself. As as we mentioned the video, the actual
(05:05):
individual is more of a New Testament thing. Yeah. Then
in the New Testament you see Satan come along when
he's tempting Jesus. Uh, when he's out on when Jesus
is out on his wilderness journey, um, and he's kind
of seen as a tempter there where he's trying to
get Jesus to move away from his faith by offering
him things. Sure. Yeah, they have that lion king moment
(05:28):
where they stand in the cliff and he says, all
of this can be yours if you just do what
I say, essentially, if you just choose me over God.
So this concept of an adversarial spirit is far from unique.
Many religions have adversarial entities, right, And it's possible that
the modern understanding of Satan in the Christian and perhaps
(05:51):
the Islamic religion as well, uh derive apart from religious syncretism,
the melding of different religions when they meet. So we've
got the abra concepts dating back to how Satan the
just obstructor the challenger uh two, and pre existing religions,
particularly Babylonian, which was fascinating to me. Met. Yeah, we
(06:12):
took a look at Zoras Zoroastrianism, which is cool. It
did some just some Wikipedia even just to make sure
I match up all the imagery and everything. That's fascinating.
One interesting thing that we found in our research is
that one group's God uh can be another group Satan
and vice versa. And we found this in a couple
of different places. What's the name of that group, Gnosticism, Gnostics,
(06:37):
the Gnostics. This is a name for a group of beliefs.
The practitioners believe that the material world, this the one
that we are existing on that you're listening to this
podcast in was created and is ruled by a demiurge
or creator, who is not God, the ruler of the
spirit world. So God, the actual God, rules the spirit world,
(06:59):
and this demi urge rules the material plane, all right,
And we know that this demi urge is not the
best entity, not the best thing. In fact, it's often
an antagonist attempting to impede the human soul or spirit
from reaching the higher plane. Uh. You'll hear it called
(07:20):
names like jaldabo Um. There. There's some great moments in
Gnostic literature about this Yaldebat, this chief ar con Um.
In this system, what we think of as the main
God is instead this stemi urge. And Uh, there's a
higher plane with a benevolent creator that exists in the
spiritual world. So if you can cast your memory back
(07:43):
their Lord. To borrow from a Van Morrison song. Uh.
Two centuries and centuries ago when people would say this
is the God that we worship, and then these gnostic
folks would say, oh, your god is the bad guy
though we're doing something else. So you guys are sword
of devil worshipers. But of course it wasn't phrased in
(08:05):
that way, and these beliefs, gnostic beliefs were considered heretical
and very close to uh Satanism. But it's it's a
different interpretation, you know what I mean. We do know
that there are different types of straight up Satanism though,
so the one that you probably know about the most
was started by this guy named Anton LaVey. It's called
(08:28):
the system, is also called atheistic Satanism. It's a religious
philosophy that bases a lot of its system of belief
on egoism, individualism, and self identification. So you you are
the most important thing as the practitioner inside this belief system. Okay,
but it's still it's still I think counts in a
(08:48):
religious way because they practice magic, right, Oh yeah, they
practice magic um, but they do not worship Satan or
the devil. Okay, so they worship the symbol that exactly
this Luciferian uh almost Promethean lightbringer. That's what they're worshiping.
And we found that that's pretty common, at least from
(09:09):
when I was searching around. That's a fairly common thing.
And people who say they worship Satan or the Devil,
they use a system of belief, not necessarily actually worshiping
a deity or antideity. So then in this case, we
know that this would not this would not be the
real Satan worshippers that we're talking about in our videos
(09:31):
or in the title question of this podcast. Not necessarily
they fit in because of you know, they called themselves. Yeah,
but yeah, okay, well we we know that you can
read more about this type of Satanism in Anton LaVey's
book The Satanic Bible, and we have a list of
(09:53):
some of their rules. Again, these were made by Anton LaVey.
These did not come down from some sort of golden
tablet equivalent or whatever. He's pretty transparent about that. Yeah,
and you know it's what so this is the opinion time,
but I feel like it should definitely be called Livyism
rather than Satanism. Just because it was kind of written
(10:15):
by one guy. I see what you're saying, and I
wonder if you know, I wonder what the choice was
to say that. I guess it's because the symbol informs
so much of the belief system. But you know, that's
the thing. If you make something up, you get to
name it. It's true and no offense of the guy.
But saying something is Satanism, I'm sure didn't hurt in
(10:36):
getting some press from what I understand, And you know,
not to make this an anton leave a podcast that uh,
he had been practicing things like this for some time
before he gathered this material and made a religion. And
although there have been some schisms in the Church of
Satan between the church's runners, right and uh LaVey's daughter, Uh,
(11:00):
the organization itself continues today. Um, so I'm not doing it, yeah,
and certainly not doging it. I'm just I don't know,
maybe stating an obvious thing, yeah, livsm but maybe I
don't know. People's question would be who is Aunton LaVey?
And sure, right, well here's the thing, despite the name,
(11:23):
they advocate some things that are actually not that bad philosophically.
I don't completely agree with everything, but that's my opinion. Uh. Here,
here's some of the factual things, Matt. Maybe you and
I can alternate on this. So he has a thing
called the nine Satanic statements, and they are Satan represents
indulgence instead of abstinence. Uh. Satan represents vital existence instead
(11:48):
of spiritual pipe dreams. Satan represents undefiled wisdom instead of
hypocritical self deceit. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve
it instead of love wasted on ingrades sick burn. Satan
represents vengeance instead of turning the other cheek, and represents
(12:09):
responsibility to the responsible instead of concern for psychic vampires,
which we also have a video series on check it out.
Satan represents man as just another animal, sometimes better, more
often worse than those that walk on all fours, who,
because of his divine, spiritual and intellectual development, has become
the most vicious animal of all. Now here's one of
(12:30):
the really controversial ones. Met Uh. Satan represents all of
the so called sins, as they all lead to physical, mental,
or emotional gratification, murder, murder. I guess I'm not sure.
It's kind of a blanket statement. But there's one more.
Satan has been the best friend the church has ever had,
(12:52):
as he has kept it in business all these years.
So we see here there's a blunt candor to uh.
These statements. Now, these are not necessarily the commandments. These
are sort of mission statements of what this sort of
Satanism is. However, we do have what Levey calls the
(13:12):
Satanic rules of the earth. And not to be outdone,
he made eleven instead of ten. That's right, and here
they are. One. Do not give opinions or advice unless
you're asked to. Do not tell your troubles to others
unless you are sure they want to hear them. That's
good advice. Actually, it's pretty good when in another's layer,
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show them respect or else do not go there, agreed
for if a guest in your layer annoys, you treat
them cruelly and without mercy to your house, I guess.
Do not make sexual advances unless you're given the mating signal,
which is yeah they now without I was gonna say,
without knowing what the mating signal is, I respect the idea,
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but I would definitely want to know what it is,
because I don't want to accidentally be in that kind
of environment and make a mating signal. You know, we
need to come up with a universal human mating signal. Yeah,
there's some like body language things, but I don't know
if there's a one size fits all answer anyhow, that's
another day. Okay, I'm glad that you thought that was
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a strange one to Uh. Six, this is pretty good.
Uh do not take that which does not belong to you.
Pretty good so far. But wait, there's a comma. Unless
it's a burden to the other person and they cry
out to be relieved, that could be take this for
har from from me, please. I you know I'm taking
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it for you from you. I really appreciate it. I'll
see you tomorrow. Acknowledge the power of magic if you
have employed it successfully to obtain your desires. If you
deny the power of magic after having called upon it
with success, you will lose all you have obtained. Eight.
Do not complain about anything to which you need not
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subject yourself. Well, I just want to go back to
the previous one. Really fast bend because um, they totally
said magically. Yeah, like magic, magic is real and believe it.
If you don't, you're gonna lose all the things you conjured.
You know. One thing that's interesting about this is uh
a friend of mine who is a professor. He studies
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esoteric matters like the concept of magic and the digital age,
the nature of consciousness in a world where artificial intelligence
may soon exist. And he said something really interesting to
me one time. He said, if you don't like the
term magic, if you're just reacting to that term the
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same way as people would react to something like conspiracy
theorists or you know, uh, some kind of political appellation,
then don't consider it magic. Call it weaponized psychology. And
I thought that was really insightful. You know, I dig
it be I dig it too. I don't know if
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that's the same thing that these people are talking about.
Perhaps absolutely, because in full disclosure, met, neither of us
are Satanist, right right, No Satanist? Are you a Satanist? Fairs,
he's a fair weather Satanist. Okay, So I guess when
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it works out. Okay, so you're a you're a you're
a Satanist the way that people are fans of the
falcons here in Georgia. Oh yeah, all right, but we're
not done. I have to also say, Ben, the one
about that you just said, do not complain about anything
you don't you don't have to. Yeah, you know, you
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don't have to subject yourself to amazing. Yeah. A lot
of people get the martyr complex and say, I wish
that my life is so tough. I wish it didn't
have to do this thing. And then this satanic rule
just points out, well, if you don't have to, and
you really don't want to, then why are you doing it?
Smart Next, do not harm young children. I think we
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can all agree with that. Everybody can get behind that one, right. Uh. Ten,
do not kill non human animals unless you are attacked
or for your food. So don't kill animals for funzies again, Okay,
that makes sense. What about for sacrifices? I think that
is um. I mean it's you know, you're not being attacked,
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it's not for food. Yeah, I don't know, unless you're
gonna eat it later. Well, maybe that's levy Ish Satanism instead,
because we know that there are other kinds of Satanist.
I've said too much, all right, what's the very last one?
When walking in open territory, bother no one. If someone
bothers you ask him to stop. If he does not stop,
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destroy him. That's so metal. Yeah, dude. Um, And and
of course you know, I want to point out again
that these things we're talking about, while I don't agree
with everything, that is just one person's opinion. And the
rules that are outlined here, those eleven, uh, makes some
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really good points. Honestly, they do. Don't hurt kids, don't
hurt animals. Makes much so much more sense than it
would if somebody just had heard that there were eleven
satanic rules of the earth and you didn't know anything
about them, you would assume so much worse, way different. Yeah,
and this, if anything, these are sort of rules of
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conduct that I think if I saw some my behaving
this way, I would consider them an upstanding person. Yeah.
It's an alternative moral code to the one that a
lot of us may be new growing up. Yeah. Can
I read you the may I read you the Satanic sins? Though?
Because he ends, all right, you ready, okay? And these
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are Anton LaVey said these in seven and he said
these are the things you should avoid. They're only nine stupidity, pretentiousness, solipsism,
self deceit, heard, conformity, lack of perspective, forgetfulness of past orthodoxes,
counterproductive pride, lack of aesthetics. So like having bad style
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or not appreciating beauty is a sin. That's that's very interesting.
But as we're about to find out, that is only
one kind of Satanist, and that is the kind of
Satanists that a lot of people in the West are
familiar with. Right, Yes, so we're gonna get into that
right when we return, because it's time for Word our sponsor,
(19:53):
and we are back, let's cut past all of the
philosophical Satanism that we talked about, which, of course is
I think, as you said very well, Matt, it's an
alternative belief system or value system that doesn't necessarily make
it a terrible thing, and it's certainly not a reason
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to persecute someone, especially in the country that has freedom
of religion like the US. Yeah. To me, the that
type of Satanism seems like a very constructed form of individualism. Yeah. Yeah,
there's something kind of I'm randy a ship about it. Uh,
there's a little bit of objectivism there, but that's not
what we're talking about. LeadSA gentleman. Thanks for hanging out
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I don't know about you, Matt. Again, that's just my opinion.
This is the most fascinating part of this. Oh yeah, sure,
definitely it's gonna get dark. Yeah. I can hear it
getting darker already. I can hear it too. Yeah, our
synaesthesia is kicking in. And what we are talking about now,
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ladies and gentlemen, is not the levash Satanist or the
atheistic Satanist, but the theistic Satanist. These are the people
who believe that there is a bad guy in the universe,
there is an unholy entity working against the creator of
reality or illuminating it. And they said, you know what,
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let's pray to that guy. Yeah, I like that guy.
So they also engage in ceremonial magic. However, there are
some things. As you and I were looking into Satan worship, right,
theistic satan worship, we learned that there are some things
that a lot of people haven't considered, especially when they're
moral panics about widespread state worship. Yeah. So what we
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have learned, Ben, is that accusations of Satan worship occur
a lot more than the actual worshiping of Satan, a
lot like the witches back in the day. There are
a lot more people accused of a witch then we're witches.
And the same with McCarthy is um and communists. Um.
It's just you know, when there's something that scares you, uh,
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you may be more inclined to accuse somebody of this
thing that you're afraid of. I see, and we know
that while people who were accused of witchcraft back during
the Inquisition and other witch hunts, uh, while they were
possibly not Christian, they probably weren't worshiping you know, Lucifer.
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There's there's fairly compelling evidence that some people accused of
witchcraft were practicing pagan religion of some sort right, or
something that might be a heretical belief system. Accusations of witchcraft, however,
often had political or social motives behind them, especially during
periods of time when an accuser or an inquisitor would
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potentially be entitled to part of the witches a state
run conviction exact lear if they had anything to gain
whatsoever from this person not being there. Um, we can
see similar patterns and all kinds of social panics. So
we talked about a couple of those. Even if you
look at music like rock music, um all the way
to the accusations of hip hop performers like jay Z
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being secretly and leave with the Illuminati, which by the way,
we cover and check out our video. And you know,
through the Illuminati a lot of the times it gets
lumped in with the Devil, that there's a belief that
the Illuminati overall worships the Devil, or at least an
evil entity. Right. There's a story here that I thought
was interesting. At one time, Judas Priest was accused of
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being responsible for a crime that happened. The mother of
this child said that listening to Judas Priests had compelled
her son to criminal acts. Uh, And they talked about
what's called backward masking, Yes, and what what is that?
Like you have a better understanding of this. That's it's
pretty simple. Back in the day, when you have the records,
a lot of the times you could just you play
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the record backwards, and when you listen to the music backwards,
the speech patterns of the vocals sound strange, and sometimes
it sounds like words are being spoken and hidden when
you play it backwards. So Judas Priests defense against this accusation,
which won the day in court actually was that if
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they had done backward masking, they would have done something
like by seven more albums, which I think is a
fairly compelling but also pretty accurate. So we know that
we know that this stuff continues the vast majority of
people who self identify as theistic Satanist and you can
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find these organizations where these individuals easily online. They come
from comparatively recent organizations in history. Uh. What we mean
by this is there relatively new ideologies or denominations, and
of course you will find a wealth of people insisting
that they're from what is sort of the golden goose
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of our question, a multigenerational theistic Satan worshiping community. Uh,
similar to the way that the family in True Detective
Right is uh, not quite Satanic, but definitely a neopagan,
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very messed up, evil thing. And what we found out
from our video that, you know, the thing that at
least the creator of that series talked about there was
that one case where there actually was a group of
Satan worshippers who at least they believed they worshiped Satan right,
and that is a pretty disturbing story. I thought you
did a great job editing that. I know. That's one
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of those sometimes you guys, when Matt and I go
into something pretty deep and dark, uh, we feel like
you just can't wash it off, you know. Yeah, I
go into a whole sometimes just shiver alone in the dark.
But we do know that if there are real multi
generational lines of theistic Satan worshippers, then there are some
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problems will verifying their existence. How do we how do
we say it? Right? Yeah? Well, sure that this sort
of worship was I mean, you could get yourself killed,
executed by the state or the church for a long
time there. Um. I mean it would be very difficult
to openly worship the devil or Satan pretty much at
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any time, even right now, it would be difficult. I think,
with as progressive as we are right now, if you're
super open about it, I think your life is not
going to be easy at least well, especially if you're
if you're a person who is worshiping the idea of
Satan is presented in the Bible right or in biblical canon,
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because then you would be actively doing things that are
against the law. Your alignment would be I believe, chaotic evil.
If we're doing a role plane joke. Yeah, well there's
another thing here too. Numerous organizations purporting to have some
sort of ancient lineage have been proven to be hoaxes,
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or at least, if we're going to give them a
benefit of a doubt, they have been lying at least
in part about their origin. Uh. I want to say
something else to earlier I said neopagan. Uh. I don't
believe that there's anything wrong or inherently evil about Neopaganism.
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I mean it's one of those who I haven't seen
in recent memory. Uh. A group of Neopagan's band together
and kill everyone who's not neopagan. Yeah. Sure, I'm never
heard of Neopagan's doing anything wrong actually that I can recall. Well,
history is long, and there's a lot of stuff for
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us to dig through. I'm sure we could find the
last thing I want to mention here are Freemasons. Now
we will go online and you will see all kinds
of videos and websites about how Freemason's worship lucifer um.
I got a book for Christmas a couple of years
ago called Freemason's One on One. Now, I'm not saying
it's the Bible of the Freemasons. Or you know, it's
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not the go to book. You can't go there and
find all the answers. Um. But it talked a lot
about how there was some confusion about worshiping the Devil
with Freemasons. I don't have all the information, but I
would highly recommend you going out there and doing some research,
um if you hear about this kind of thing, because
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a lot of it, at least from my experience, is
rumor um and probably not true. But I don't know
for sure. I see you're saying that's fair. We know
that Freemason lodges have acquired at times uh shady reputation,
but a lot of that would be judging off of
one bad apple in many ways. Well, and it's also
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just secrecy in itself. Sure, and there's there's a great
deal of Um, there is a great deal of inherent
secrecy and something like that. However, in the age of
the Internet, it is super super easy to find that information. Now,
is it disrespectful to people who wish that kind of privacy? Um? Yeah,
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you know, in in a lot of ways it is.
It's uh, certainly, for instance, it would be disrespectful to
scientologists right where a lot of the documents that are
supposed to be restricted if you're a scientologist, right, they
are available free online and uh, you know it. It
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goes back to your idea of is this ethical? But yeah,
with freemasons, a lot of the fascinating stories that you
can read here, um, nowadays, they're gonna tend to be
more factual than the rumors that would spread, you know,
when people didn't have the ability to google something. The
Internet does tend to shed light on things, too many
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things sometimes, and all kinds of noise as well. Right,
that's a very interesting point. I don't know if we
ever talked about this is so tangential, but there's this
there's this great idea that secrecy used to be based
on restricting information right before the digital age, and now
it's based on inundating you with information. And I always wonder,
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when we're really cooking with gas, Matt, I always wonder
if we're going to find one of those needles in
the haystack, you know, when those diamonds in the rough,
and have somebody show up at our tours. Jeez, well,
I can give you one little needle in the haystack.
What's that? The trans specific Partnership uh. Feel just to
me this is completely uh in my opinion, but it
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seems like there are a lot of things happening and
in the new right now that might beat obvious skate
the idea of the trans specific partnership. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Let's look into it, let's find out.
And listeners, those of you who perked up when you
heard us mentioned this right to us and let us
know if you want us to cover this in more depth.
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But before continue with our allegations of Satanism, speaking of Freemasons, Uh,
I have a book that I thought people would enjoy that.
Oh heck yeah, let's hear run it alright. So it's
called The Origin of Satan How Christians demonized Jews, Pagans
and Heretics. This is clearly coming from an agenda of
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sorts written by an author named Elaine Pagels and narrated
by Suzanne Torren. Uh. This is an audio book that
I would recommend to our listeners who want to learn
more about the history and evolution of the modern figure
that we equate with Satan today. And if you want
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to get this book, we would recommend you head on
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You can get a free app for your iPhone or
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(32:26):
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can fill your head with all kinds of knowledge, or
when you're just sitting in a dark room by yourself.
I do that a lot um? Really is that just me? Alright? Well,
moving on a little bit about a background about the book.
(32:46):
Who is Satan in the New Testament and what is
this evil that he represents? In this groundbreaking book, Lane
Pagels prinstance, distinguished his storian of religion traces the evolution
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Satan is at first merely instructive, to the New Testament,
where Satan becomes the prince of darkness, the bitter enemy
of God and man evil incarnates. I think this is
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an informative book for anybody wants to learn more with that.
And there's some good news if you listen to our show. Uh,
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(33:30):
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That's Audible podcast dot com slash conspiracy. All right, you guys,
let's get into the allegations of Satanism throughout time time,
time time. This is just a giant list that Ben
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and I are going to go through. If you hear
something that you're interested in, get on that Google and
just find it. Man. There's all kinds of stuff for
you on that Google and you can find it. But
be careful, my friends, because the search engine it's a
lot like an abyss. You search long enough, it starts
searching you whatever that was better in my head. So
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one thing that we noticed in our YouTube comments is
that quite a few people said, why didn't you cover
uh these various groups that are clearly Satanist, And we
have covered these folks. So if we say something strikes
your interest, check out our videos, search YouTube, dot com,
forward slash conspiracy stuff, or check out our website stuff.
(34:36):
Then once you know dot com and you will probably
find one, two or even three part series on these
on these guys. So, with a devilish drumroll, please perfect,
let's start naming groups accused of Satanism. Was unexpected, it
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was really good. So the first one is the Illuminati,
nice to beat me to it? Uh, all right? And
the Bohemian grove ben ah yes, uh, possibly separate entities,
but who knows. Maybe not. What about the Royal family? Ah? Yes,
which one? Right? All of them? All of them? Uh?
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What about the builder Bergs, Oh that's a great one.
Trilateral Commission, the Business Council, Oh yeah, and uh what
about the Rothchild's, Oh that's one of those families. About
any of those families, the war Birds, the Rockefeller's, any
name that you think is associated with having a certain
(35:40):
amount of money, I'm surprised really that Bill Gates and
Warren Buffett haven't been accused of Satanism yet. We just
haven't found the accusation. It's somewhere small on a geo
cities page, right, yeah, as geo cities. Uh it's not
online anymore, is it. You have to use the way
back machine. It's true, but it's there. Uh. Let's see.
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So we did the Freemasons, the Rose Crucians, Uh, the
Council for Foreign Affairs, right man. Uh, let's see what else. Uh,
the Jesuits of all people at times have been accused
of worshiping Satan. It's very strange to me. Have you
even seen the Catholic Church itself? Like the Vatican lumped
in there because of some of the symbols that they use,
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uh like that the acorn and what was the other thing?
Oh the obelisks? Yeah yeah, Uh the obelisks are a
huge thing too. And if you I don't blame people,
because if you just look at an obelisk, it's really weird.
And why, of all things did you build that strangely
phallic monument? Why? Okay, well I guess I just thank you.
(36:46):
You just you just hit me to it. Actually, it
does go back to Yeah, the male phallic imagery. That's
never be the same. But the let's see some other
groups that have been accused of the UH. It's sad
and it's heartbreaking, but we'd be remiss if we didn't
point it out. Over the course of history, the three
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Abramaic religions, especially denominations or facets schools of thought in
those three religions, have accused each other more or less
continually across history of UH not only being misled in
their choice of belief system, but actively worshiping the devils.
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So they said this about UH. Christians have said this
about Judaism, UH. Christians have said this about Islam right
and is UH people who follow Islam have said this
about other religions. It's a mess. I think it's interesting.
It goes back to the idea that Satan is this
great trickster and will make you believe that something is
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true that is not and something it's not true that is.
So you basically get um mixed around and you think
that what's up this down down is up, and then
you end up worshiping Satan. Yeah, you thought you were
worshiping God. I think that's an interesting idea and why
it kind of shapes the views of the other religions
at times in history. Right, Yeah, you'll you'll see this,
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and it's I'm so glad you mentioned that because you
see that idea playing out in uh purported explanations of
a Freemason power structure to right, that there's only an
inner circle who knows what's actually going on, and the
outer circle is just there for you know, social cash a. Yeah,
you're worshiping the Great Architect. Didn't know the Great Architect
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is Satan voice is killing me, man, my bad. I
don't know what happened. It's like it's not even coming
from you. I'm hearing it in different corners of the room.
And that's weird. Yeah, Noel's crying a little bit of blood,
that's strange. Well, let's soul drawing. Oh God, get a tissue.
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But now finally our million million dollar question, Okay, are
there so from these allegations which have not been proven,
are there genuine cases of people purposely conducting evil rights
to venerate or communicate with an otherworldly, supernatural, unholy monster
beyond the stars? You know what I mean? Like, is that?
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Is it real? That was poetic. Man. Oh thanks many. Yep.
There are the cases we mentioned on the show, with
the one that is uh likely an inspiration for True Detective,
and that is definitely something that would caution you about
if you are easily offended or bothered. There there are
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some very disturbing details, but so okay, so we know
those cases we mentioned on the show. Uh, there's an
alleged devil worship ring in Italy known as the Beast
of Satan. I found a biased source Christian World News
that estimates there are eight hundred satanic call it's an
Italy alone, and we had to note those have not
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been proven. There have been numerous serial killers that claim
to be involved with some kind of dark, dark Satanic arts,
some kind of rights or rituals. Yeah. Um, this includes
killers like the Son of Sam, Richard Ramirez, Honest Tool,
and a bunch more. And you can look into the
four Pie movement. The Hand of Death super interesting. We
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did an episode on that and it's still to this
day one of the most Uh. I don't know. I'll
sit down and watch it sometimes even though I know
exactly what's gonna happen. It's just weird. I'm surprised that
there has not been an in depth feature film on
that because it's such a strange and fascinating story. But
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then there are other people, perhaps you listeners, who say,
if you think about it, it's not surprising at all.
All Right, there's another book that we found in the
name of Satan. Uh. This book concerns an incident where
these teenagers Royce Casey, Jacob Delashmutt and Joe Fiorella. We're
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in a band called Hatred, and they believe that they
have found a way to make the ultimate offering to
the Prince of darkness. They sacrificed an innocent girl, uh
and dragged her to an area they believed would serve
as a devil's alter. They drugged her, the attacked her,
they stabbed her. And we'll find that a lot of
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the cases of people who are saying that they are
a theistic Satanist uh there really throwing this idea on
this sort of window dressing to their crimes, you know. Uh.
And so it's more I think the case cases of
disturbed individuals. Yeah, well, to me, it's almost and not
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an excuse to go through with some of those dark thoughts.
But it's a maybe for the person, it's a nice
way to try and justify it. Yeah, yeah, not nice
at all. It's not nice at all. It's just a
way for them to just it. I imagine that's correct,
which makes it even more disturbing. And here's another example
if we're talking about rationalization. In two thousand to a
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young married British couple admitted to a ritual satanic killing UH,
and they were told they could spend the rest of
their lives in a secure psychiatric unit. There's this belief
then that there was a bizarre underground occult group in Britain. UH.
Lady named Manuela Ruda, she was twenty three at the time,
told the German courts she had become a vampire in London,
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and her husband, Daniel rudda I assume six, was given
a prison sentence, so they had thirteen years for her
fifteen years for him. UH. They had hacked one of
their friends to death in a flat UH in Germany,
and if you read the details of the story, one
of the reasons they picked him is because he had
sort of a milder demeanor and like the Beatles, really yeah,
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which doesn't sound it sounds to me more like a
rationalization for wanting to kill someone than it does. Uh.
You know, feeling compelled by dark forces to do so
gives about this stuff. That's not the last example. Yeah.
In two thousand and eight, a gang of Satan worshippers
murdered four teenagers by stabbing each of them six hundred
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and sixty six times. Yeah. The number of the wounds
is the same as that revered by followers of the Devil,
which not to be pedantic. The number is not actually
six six six. That's a mistranslation, right, Yes, Ben, it's
possible that that number is actually six one six, So
they're not doing their research. But these these people, this
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gang would kidnap. They kidnapped kids who were sixteen seventeen,
which I still think qualifies as a kid uh, and
then attack them. And this was in Russia, about three
hundred miles northeast of Moscow. They also eight parts of
their victims, which brings us to one other case. And
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I you know, we're hammering at home, but we're barely
scratching the surface of murders that are alleged to be
part of Satanic rights. This past month that for anyone
listening to this podcast when it comes out October. Uh,
just as people were preparing for Halloween, three people were
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arrested for killing and cannibalizing at least two men in Clemens,
North Carolina. Uh. The male who is you know, sort
of the ring leader, is named pozzuzu Ila al Garard,
thirty five years old, and his accomplices list is Amber
Nicole Birch, Crystal Nicole Matlock. Uh so, and those are
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just the people arrested so far, right, Yeah, I think
that those are gonna be the main three. Uh. This Pozsus,
you guy a real character for everybody wondering, Hey, does
that name sound familiar? Yeah, it's the demon from The Exorcist.
Turns out Pazus, who's mother is a Satanist and named
her son that. Oh that was just gonna turn out great,
(45:15):
wasn't it. Yeah? And uh, the I don't know the
entirety of the story. I know that they're still looking
for more bodies. They found the men buried in the backyard,
and they found animals as well. Uh so these are
certainly not leave a type Satanist or atheistic Satanist. So
(45:36):
Matt gotta ask you my favorite part of the show
what's the verdict. The verdict is, uh, don't name your
children names of demons from popular films. You're just setting
yourself up for failure or maybe when depending on what
you believe. But I would say, don't do that. I
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think ben that this is a real thing. Mm hmm.
People in my experience, can make themselves believe a lot
of things, and I personally don't think that a satan
or a satan that can be worshiped exists my personal opinion. However,
(46:18):
I definitely think that some people could convince themselves that
it's true and do things like we said before to uh,
I don't know, to strengthen those beliefs. I see what
you're saying. Yeah, I This is so interesting to me
because it's one of the longest running, most pervasive conspiracy
(46:40):
theories in the in the world of this sort of thought,
and that's the idea that the earth is run, or
at least part of the earth is run by a
faction of people who have a secret religion. Here's the thing,
As crazy as it might sound, it is possible to
have a seek religion, and really, when we see most
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of that, it's just it's religion where outsiders are not
allowed to see certain stuff, but they'll you'll you'll know
that there is a religion that you're not part of.
For something to be so secret that people don't even
know about it, that's kind of tough. And for a long, long,
long time, I was very, very skeptical about this um,
(47:25):
but recent events in the United Kingdom have convinced me
that it is possible for people at the top of
a social hierarchy to keep secrets that otherwise should never
have been kept in And I'm talking specifically about the
child abuse allegations largely seeming factual, uh regarding Cyril Smith, um,
(47:54):
what's his name, Jimmy Seville and Uh, these guys kept
secrets for decades and they had assistance from the government.
And if we just took out child abuse and put
in Satanism, Uh, then the mechanism of keeping something like
that secret still holds, which is terrifying. It would be
(48:17):
just just as an an anecdote here, I used to
work at a country club, a prominent country club in Atlanta,
and I knew a lot of the members names because
I worked there. And one of the things was you
had to address people by their names when they show up.
One of the only things you'll find if you go
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online and search for this group or the members of
this club is an old web page that you have
to have a member. I d to log in and
search it at all. And I was trying to find, like,
look up some of these old members because I actually,
uh somewhat became friends with some of them, and you
can't find their names anywhere, some of these really prominent people.
(49:02):
It just makes me think, Oh, I don't know, man,
if it's that easy to hide yourself on the internet. Ah, yeah,
just for that simple thing, like your information about being
a member of a country club. Privacy is one of
the new elite privileges, you know what I mean. It's
it's increasingly difficult for people to attain online privacy. So
(49:25):
I can see how it's definitely at a premium. And
I guess what you and I are both saying then,
is that through different means, we have found that it
is possible for someone to keep a secret, whether that
secret be a crime or whether that secret be some
sort of belief system. And that's to me, that's strange, um,
(49:47):
especially because you know, Matt, you and I work ardently
to make sure that we respect other people's belief systems, right, um,
even in some cases leaf systems that specifically say people
like you and I are very very bad. Yeah, but
enough about us. We hope that you enjoyed this podcast.
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We would like to hear what you think. Are there
real devil worshippers? Are they multi generational? Are they spanning
the globe working in secret to bring down humanity or
usher in a new dark age? And yeah, and if
there is a group like that, what exactly do you
(50:31):
think they worship? What? Like? Heck is it? Man? We'd
love to hear your ideas, and we would also like
to hear your suggestions for upcoming episodes. We want to
give a big thank you to everybody sent in Halloween costumes.
Oh yeah, we got so many great pictures and we're
gonna be posting those on Facebook and Twitter pretty soon.
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And I just want again thank Moses again. I said
his name incorrectly, Sorry, dude, I did it too. Thank
you so much for sending in that the story that
we read last week, it was great. You're wrong, Yeah,
we really appreciate it. And we also have a bank
of great stories that we might come back to. Uh,
(51:12):
doesn't have to be Halloween, all right, So we're on
the way out. There's oh, there's one last thing, matt uh.
If people want to send us an email, they totally can,
but where should they send it? You can send all
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From more on this topic, another unexplained phenomenon, visit test
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