August 12, 2025 • 53 mins
Whether you consider yourself a true conspiracy theorist or a diehard skeptic, you've definitely heard of chemtrails. True believers are certain that, unlike the contrails made by aircraft, chemtrails are insidious chemicals dispersions meant to poison unsuspecting, innocent civilians across the planet. The concept of chemtrails has been more or less dismissed by scientists and the mainstream media, but it turns out that, in at least one country, something like chemtrails was very much a reality. Tune in to learn more.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Fellow conspiracy realists. Thank you was always so much for
tuning in. We are returning with a classic episode for
this week. We're going back to kim trails. You know
what I mean, our long standing situationship with kim.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Trails one of the first videos we ever made, baby boo.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Okay, all right, Matt, can you break down for us
the difference between a chim trail and a con trail?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Contrails are the things that jet engines make that airplanes
you see up in the sky when they're flying through
and you see a little white wispy thing behind that plane.
That's a contrail. It has to do with moisture getting
condensed really hard, basically creating little clouds that are in
the form of a line that traces the plane. But
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what's a chemtrail?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Ooh, It's kind of the same thing, but it includes
allegedly very evil chemicals, could be biological warfare, could be
meant to poison a population physically or even mentally.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, WHOA Does this have something to do with cloud seating?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It should, because we are doing a cloud seating update
later in the year. What we found back in twenty twenty,
Matt and I were looking into this. We discovered that
chemtrails as a concept, they get dismissed a lot by
current scientific thoughts, but they were real for a time
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in the United Kingdom. As we discovered in this episode,
the British military did drop thousands of kilos of chemicals
ond unknowing civilians in British territory, especially around Salisbury in Wiltshire, Cardington.
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I'm doing my best to say it without anything other
than American accent. It was zinc cadmium sulfide and the
idea was that this was harmless. It was a war
game to figure out what would happen if the Russians
started dropping some party farts over the people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But yeah, how would air currents make that stuff travel
over the United Kingdom? What parts would be the most affected?
That kind of thing, and it's an interesting thing to
revisit Right now. I'm looking at an article in the
Guardian talking about geoengineering experiments that are going on right
now that the UK government is backing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Those folks, they get into all kinds of wacky adventures.
Here's what that we found out about. We're trying not
to be disturbed by it, but I think You're right.
It does have resonance.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And let's see what we found out way back when
in the year twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
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Speaker 2 (03:20):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Name is Noah.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer, Paul mission controlled Decan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. We wanted to start
the show today. You know, we always usually do a
little bit of a check in, but we wanted to
start the show today with a bit of a state
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of the union. As you and millions of other people
hear this show today, you odds are you are listening
to it while you are bunkered away somewhere, possibly self isolating,
And we want you to know that the four of us, Noel, Paul,
Matt and myself are doing the same. This is our
first episode that we're recording remotely.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, it's true, Ben, Are we allowed to spoil what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
With you right now?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Or is this just for us?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Please feel free? Feel free?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well be not only are we seeing each other for
the first time, well, Paul's usually on the other side
of some sort of screen, a glass screen, but now
it's a real virtual screen. Ben is wearing something of
a costume today and I'm quite enjoying it. Slash terrified
by it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, okay, I just want to describe Ben's situation a
little bit. Ben, stop me if it's too much. In
the shot of Ben, we've got a lucidor mask that
is white and red primarily in color that Ben is wearing.
It looks epic. He's got his headphones on behind him,
there's the cutest cat that you've ever seen, and some candles,
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and it just looks like an epic time. I just
want to be hanging out over there, but I'm stuck
here in my house, which, by the way, you may
hear a child running around every once in a while,
hopefully not, but you may end up hearing that in
these recordings. We'll do our best to remove it.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Matt, did you leave out the Bapha met altar on
purpose or were you just thinking we would spare people
in that detail.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's just that's just the way my office looks.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm sorry, no I was talking about Ben's baffa met altar.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh, I wanted to describe everybody's set up here. So Noel,
since since you're up right now, I want to say,
Noel is by a windows, got a lovely You're you're
a bit of a connoisseur of art, So Nol's got
some awesome art hanging up there in the back, and
then one by the window, and you've got you've got
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kind of a glow from the window.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Man, it looks really cool. Oh thanks, man, it's sort
of a back lighty situation. I appreciate you acknowledging my glow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And is that a stratocaster? What is that hanging out?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And that is a jazz a master? Oh yeah, I've
been doing a little work on I got the action
just like I like it, and got a bunch of
cool effects pedals that I've been toying around with keeping
myself from losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And let's pass it to Let's pass it to perhaps
the third and most mysterious bunker. Natt, you look like
you are in an episode of one of our favorite
shows the X files. You've got this amazingly, this like
dramatic lighting just on what is your left side, there's
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just a little bit of light.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, I've got a window open and I've turned off
all electrical devices i possibly can, because in testing my
mic out here, I noticed that there's electrical interference all
over this room. I don't know if it's a power
line situation, if it's just the electrical in my house.
And I've never really attempted to use one of these
mics here before, but it sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh wait a second, Wait a second, Matt, So you're
are you using one of those condenser mics, the USB mics?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It is?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It is a USB mic, yes, but looks like in
SM fifty eight, just you know, a standard handheld mic.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But it is another another part of this image of
you is you've got one of those pop filters. So
when your face is behind that, it's like there's this
giant black screen completely blotting out your face. You look
through like a character from Sin City or something. It's
it's quite remarkable and eerie.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
On one extra thing is I always turn my head
when I breathe because I'm a professional you know, shout
out to Tay Sunday. All right, let's do this, you guys.
Let's by the way, we need to just again, Ben,
you already kind of talk to everybody already, but just
to know that it is genuine and coming from our hearts.
(07:43):
We really are thinking about each and every one of you,
specifically you listening to this right now, and what you're
going through, what you're having to do to stay safe
and protect everybody else. Sometimes right now feels scary. I
would say, there's a lot of anxiet that comes along
with our situation that we all find ourselves in. But
(08:05):
just know that by taking the precautions you're taking, you're
not only protecting yourself and the people you love, but everybody.
So just keep going strong.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well said, Well said, And we want to hear from you, folks.
So we've given you a brief update on our bunker situations.
So we'd love to hear updates from your neck of
the Global Woods. If you want to send us a
photo of your current battle station, if you want to
give us your observations, reach out, feel free to We're
(08:36):
on Twitter, We're on Facebook, or on Instagram. All that
jazz as we've said we're all in the midst of
this pandemic occurring. Together. We have more coming regarding the
current crisis, the conspiracies and the consequences involved. And today
we thought, since so many people are suffering from COVID
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nineteen news fatigue, that we might collectively enjoy a dive
into something largely unrelated. KIM trails? Are they real? Buddy?
Here are the facts?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Okay, First off, we need to differentiate between some pretty
often conflated concepts phenomena. While KIM trails are pretty controversial
and often the subject of tons of conspiracy theories, contrails
are a distinct different and actual facts proven thing. So
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what is a contrail? It all comes down to jets.
Jet engines spew out super super hot air and because
water vapor is also one of the byproducts of the exhaust,
the air is also incredibly humid. Where these jets fly,
the air is typically cold, often below negative forty degrees fahrenheit. Additionally,
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the atmosphere at that altitude has very low vapor pressure,
or the force that's exerted by a gas on its
surrounding environment.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, that's right. And when this jet engine is emitting
this hot humid air into that atmosphere you describe NOL
that's so cold and has low vapor pressure, it results
in condensation and the water vapor coming out of the
engine very quickly condenses into water droplets, and then it
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very quickly crystallizes into ice. Those are what we see
forming behind a jet engine. Those are the contrails, and
that stands for of course, it's short for rather condensation trails.
We have a pretty good example of how you can
witness this phenomenon for yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, it's pretty simple. If you've ever been outside before
when it's very cold, or maybe inside, and you breathe
out slowly, you know, more of a than a pushing
air quickly out of your mouth. That puff of air
dissipates really quickly when it's dry, even if it is
very very cold. But you know, if you do that
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on a day that's a little more human, it might
stick around quite a bit longer. And it's the same
with contrails. When the atmosphere is more humid. The contrails,
just like your breath, they're gonna linger out there in
the atmosphere for a longer time before they dissipate. But again,
when you've got a drier atmosphere, they are going to
just kind of just go away a lot faster. And
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you've probably witnessed this before. You've probably seen a couple
of different kinds of contrails or streaks across the sky
that maybe you think is a contrail or a chemtrail,
but you're not really sure. But you've probably witnessed them
dissipate extremely quickly behind a jet engine or you know,
an airplane and aircraft. And you've also probably seen them
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linger for a long time, it feels like hours. Just
remember that you have seen this.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Before, right, you've seen it before. But many of your
friends may have assured you already that you have sometimes
seen contrails and sometimes seen something else, something called a chemtrail.
According to its proponents, a chim trail is something much
more insidious because while a contrail is understood to be
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more or less benign, according to these theories, a chim
trail is purposely designed and dispersed to expose large swaths
of unknowing people to any variety of chemicals.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So here's the idea. Basically, these can theory these chemicals
might be intended to create some sort of widespread physical
change to populations, animals, the environment, or plants, or create
some kind of widespread psychological phenomenon changes beings for example.
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A lot of conspiracy theorists, to use the term of
abuse I guess here, often get hung up on this
notion based on super anecdotal evidence that epidemics of flu
like symptoms, for example, can be connected to instances of chemtrails, or,
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in an incredibly extreme version, the idea is that chemtrails
could be used as a form of population control, weeding
out the sick and elderly. So this is all some
pretty extreme stuff. Let's go into a quick history of
this before we get to been out of shape here, right.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So, if you were, let's say, in the nineteen seventies
or nineteen eighties, trying to learn about the idea of chemtrails,
you wouldn't have found the term. It's fairly recent. These
theories first came into the mainstream world in the nineteen
nineties under under Art Bell's work at Coast to Coast
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AM and they blew up in the mainstream, first on
the fringe, but then in the mainstream. They're actually mentioned
in Congress US House Bill HR twenty nine seventy seven
banned various types of weapons in space, but it also
originally started out with a reference to chim trails. Ultimately
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this reference was removed. But you know, people who believe
in Kim trails will say this thing in congressional record
is indicative of it being a real problem that was
on October second, two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But the mention specifically alludes to it not existing.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Oh right, The mention says, the mention when it was
introduced by Dennis Kucinich, did seem to like, did imply
that there was potential for some kind of weapon that
would be called a trail. But they removed it because
there's no scientific proof about this.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I see. I think I'm confusing this with the group
of Harvard engineers that David Keith was leading, who was
the professor of applied physics at Harvard's John A. Paulson
School of Engineering, and there was a quote from him
that says this, we have not seen any credible evidence
that Kem trails exists. If we did see any evidence
that governments were endangering their own citizens in that manner
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a legend in chim trail conspiracies, we would be eager
to expose and stop such activities.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, although we didn't do that when we were using
essentially chim trail's as a weapon of war during the
Vietnam War or in other conflicts where we were actually
spring things in the aar to kill you both plants
and to potentially harm enemy combatants.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Oh, I mean, not even to mention things like weaponizing insects.
And this is a crazy one, but there was that
whole experiment where the US government dropped flea bombs on
poor parts of I believe it was Louisiana and Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Ben isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But but just specifically, I mean, I'm not I'm not
trying to discounter or play that down, noll. It's just
specifically using aircraft to spray noxious chemicals over a population
or an area, right as a weapon of war. Oh,
totally the way.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And I only mentioned the flee thing because it was
specifically to spread biological agents to like, you know, diminish
people and give them like you know, malaria and stuff,
or potentially use it as as an agent of war
as well.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Sure, And really what we're setting up here is the
difference between the the intense theories that are out there, right,
and then what established science says about chemtraials specifically spraying
at these higher altitudes.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Right, right, That's that's why, that's why David Keith quote
is one of my go to answers when people ask
what the scoop is regarding the misinformation, the disinformation, the allegations,
and of course the facts, because that statement seems pretty conclusive,
and Keith and his team of engineers are not some
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kind of rogue renegades from the ivory towers of the academy.
What they're stating is the status quo establishment conclusion. And
while this may seem comforting, the truth it turns out
isn't as cut and dried. We'll tell you the truth,
words and all afterword from our sponsor. Here's where it
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gets crazy. This actually happened, Tim Trail's actually happened, and
not just not just the dispersal that you had mentioned earlier,
Matt in times of war or famously over Saint Louis.
Here in the US, we know for a fact that
the United Kingdom did conspire to secretly experiment on their population,
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not just their service members, but on their civilian population
through the deployment of what could be reasonably described as chemtrails.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, so here's the basics. Starting in nineteen forty the
British government used the unsuspecting domestic public as actual facts
guinea pigs for biological and chemical warfare experiments. In more
than seven hundred and fifty secret ops, hundreds of thousands
of people were subjected to what they called mock biological
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and chemical war fare attacks from aircraft, ships, and road vehicles.
And this went on until nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah. Yeah, And don't be fooled by that idea of
mock biological and chemical warfare attacks. These weren't all dry runs,
these weren't all war games. In fact, many of these
tests involved release potentially dangerous chemicals and micro organisms over
huge amounts of the population without the public ever being told.
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And think think about that span of time there, that's
almost forty years, nineteen forty to nineteen seventy nine. These
were designed by the Ministry of Defense to assess what
would happen to the UK if Russian forces released you know,
clouds of a biological or chemical weapon across the country.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But here's the deal. In most of the cases throughout
this long period of time. The trials didn't use biological weapons,
but some kind of alternative that the scientists thought would
maybe mimic German warfare in some way, and the Ministry
of Defense claimed, you know, these substances that they were
using were actually going to be harmless. However, it's a
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big however here there are certain areas around the UK
where the families there would have children, and these children
would have birth defects, and those families in particular are
demanding a very specific and public inquiry into the substances
that were used during these tests and really just to
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get as much public information as possible about them.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, and they met with no shortage of red tape,
something that you could arguably describe as stonewalling. So the
outcry that hit in leould say two thousand and two,
two thousand and four came about partially because of something
called Operation Antler. Operation Antler was the official investigation into
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the activities that we're citing from forty to seventy nine.
They were headquartered or masterminded maybe is a better word,
from a place a lot of people in the US
probably have never heard of. It's called Porton. Down. Down
is a Science Compound in Wiltshire, England. It's called Porton
Down because it's just northeast of Porton, which is a
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village near Salisbury. It's home to two British facilities the
Ministry of Defense is Defense Science and Technology Laboratory and
a site of Public Health England. The DSTL Defense Science
and Technology Laboratory has been known as one of the
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most secretive and controversial research facilities in the British military
for over one hundred years. So think of what's the
place in Australia Pine Flats, pine Gap, pine Gag. It's
like Pine Gap yep. And the inquiries that the public
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and former service members have been raising established that a
number of the people participating in the Service Volunteer Program
aka where the soldiers can sign up to be exposed,
they claimed that they were tricked into taking part in
these experiments. They had consent but not informed consent. And
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then some of these retired service members also claimed to
have suffered long term illness or injury in some cases
similar to the well in some ways similar to Vietnam
veterans reporting of exposure to agent orange. And then again,
as you said, Matt Longtail, intergenerational effects like birth defects,
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and it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yes, it's true. Research by a gentleman named Ulf Schmidt,
who's professor of modern history at the University of Kent,
revealed that British military aircraft dropped thousands of kilos of
chemicals that possessed quote largely unknown toxic potential on British
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civilian populations in the Salisbury area in Wiltshire, Cardington in Bedfordshire,
and Norwich and Norfolk. Around forty six hundred kilos of
the chemical zinc cadmium sulfide, which is now known to
be or at least thought to be pretty carcinogenic potentially
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on account of its containing cadmium. And this was allegedly
dispersed from ships, aircraft and moving trucks or as they
call them in the UK laurees between nineteen fifty three
and nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And again we're looking to old Schmidt here, who wrote
a book called Secret Science, and within this book he
also shows the commuters in the London underground were subjected
to very similar illegal experiments. And you know, just before
we continue on here, do you guys remember or you listening,
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do you remember warnings about tests within New York subway
system where there are going to do some testing with
dispersans of some sort to see how chemicals or agents
would move throughout the transit system underground in New York.
Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh yeah, I love that reasoning too. Let's just see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, yeah, Well, there's this concept of attempting to experiment
with in this case, just the thing I'm talking about here,
to see where a contagion would travel if it got
released in a specific station.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I see underneath in terms of the air patterns,
or where it would be carried, like through witch tunnels,
and it would where would go?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Or well yeah, and as commuters you know, are are
subjected to it, get onto a train that get off somewhere,
how quickly does it spurs throughout the Manhattan Island or
you know, how far does it go?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Fascinating?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But this is the same kind of thing here a
little bit, but it's closer closer to human experimentation in
my opinion at.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Least, right right, right, So this is very important I
want to interject here. It is still a human experimentation.
The stuff in New York from what I can recall
was just exactly what you said. It was a modeling
exercise to take an inert substance or material that would
still behave the same way as a weaponized aerosol and
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be trackable so we could monitor the spread, which is
actually a pretty smart thing to do. But the ethical
quandary there is if you tell people you're doing that,
no matter how transparent you are about how harmless it is,
people aren't going to ride public transit if they can
help it. Why would you expose yourself? And you know,
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this is an understandable fear because, like like we reference
with Professor Schmidt in his book Secret Science, the operations
on the London Underground involve the release of large quantities
of a bacteria called Bacillis globg globigi. And the scientists
wanted to say they wanted to determine whether quote long
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distance travel of aerosols in the tube was due to
transportation within the trains themselves or whether the big weak
point was the air ventilations in the tube. From what
I recall, both were pretty bad. But this isn't all
that the UK did. We're going to pause for one
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reveals that these experiments occurred in another part of the world.
There was a British imperial possession at the time, was Nigeria.
Chemical warfare trials were held there as well, and we
even found the specific area of Nigeria in which they
were held.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
A place called Abanagorro in southern Nigeria specifically was the
site of four British Cold War scientific missions that spent
a total around fifteen months dispersing and assessing the effects
of large quantities of experimental nerve gas weapons. So this
location was important because it permitted field trials to be
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carried out in a tropical environment, and of course that
was not in Britain or Australia.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right importantly, and that means that there was much less
oversight and people were also much less likely to be
able to successfully inquire with the government about the possible
detrimental effects.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And before we you know, we kind of conclude here
there's there's another experimentation that calls back to just this
concept of putting out weird agents or clouds of terrifying
things to test both how the air is going to
disperse them, you know, in whatever else, whatever other parameters
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are being tested there. There's an instance from nineteen fifty
two where on the on the west coast of Scotland
there was a cloud of bacteria, not just any bacteria,
not like the ones that were released into the London underground,
literally plague bacteria. A cloud of it that was released
to see essentially to test again, like in all these instances,
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what happens to this stuff when it just goes into
the air, Where does it go? What happens to it? Well,
there was a fishing fishing boat that happened to travel
through this cloud of freaking plague bacteria. It's a vessel
full of fishermen. They just went right through it, and
there was this horrible, you know, feeling in the pits
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of the stomachs of the people experimenting that Oh wow,
let's see, I wonder if any of those guys are
actually going to get plague. Ben I don't know if
you read about this one, but it was just really
really creepy to think that unknowingly you could drive your boat,
your ship that has a bunch of just working class
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people through a cloud that ends up being plague.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah. The same reports confirmed that the government was dispersing
anthrax like, not an inert chemical, actual anthrax, and they
were doing this not just off the Scottish coast but
also all around the Caribbean, and that even in the
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highest halls of UK government there was tacit approval. So
people may have had plausible deniability, but they knew what
was going on and they let it happen again for
decades and decades and decades.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And just one other quick thing here. It's noted in
both the Independent and I believe in the Guardian newspaper
that the Bahamas, the territory of the Bahamas, was seen
by a lot of the scientists performing these kinds of
tests as the absolute best place to carry out these
kinds of surface tests without any kind of restriction. Just
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be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And was there something that was particularly appealing about these
tropical climates.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, a couple of things. First, just the environment, given
that it had enough similarities geographically, if not climate wise,
it just had enough geographic similarities to the United Kingdom,
which again is you know, a collection of archipelagoes. So
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this is a good way to see how something how mass,
with a huge coastline could be affected by maritime dispersal.
That's why it's off the coast instead of you know,
on the on the land.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
In those experiments, and just to give a little bit
of clarity there about the Bahamas, it was this is
a quote from The Independent, It was an uninhabited island
in the Bahamas. In the sea near that uninhabited island,
so it wasn't you know, necessarily directly on up the
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population of the Bahamas where people are living, but it's
still very close and with all of the winds that
that are happening out there, you know, you can pretty
much predict the weather. Ben But what's the quote we
always like to use about the weather. The meteorologists are
oh alchemists.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
No, Well, it's yeah, you're right, though, especially in that case,
they were not working super hard to do their due
diligence about whether people would be endangered. The specific stuff
they deployed was venezuelan equine encephalitis in that uninhabited island
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in the Bahamas. This kills donkeys and horses, but it
can also kill human beings and it can be spread
by mosquitoes when they bite the horses or the donkeys.
This is an addition to by the way G series
nerve agents that was deployed in Nigeria that can do
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things like cause loss of certain bodily functions. If you survive,
you'll have long term neurological damage, psychiatric disorders. And then
of course we mentioned the Bacterium bacillis globe bygi gloebig.
I'm not entirely certain on that that can also cause
fevers occasionally fatal. This is heavy duty stuff. This was
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not you know, we can't size this enough. This was
not like silly string they were spraying around or fabreeze
or something, neither of which are sponsoring the show. This
was These were weapons of murder potentially. And you can
say that this was a scenario to figure out how
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it would spread during an attack from an antagonistic force,
but the reality of the matter is it was not
a dry run. The idea that we're doing this for
quote unquote defense falls far short of justifying what actually happened.
So this all means that, yeah, in a way, kem
trails were very very real at least if by kem
(33:44):
trails we mean the concept of illegal and dangerous aerosol dispersals.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, you certainly don't need a weather man to know
which way the eastern eck wine encephalitis blows. It's well,
it's whichever way the wind blows. I guess that's that's
upsetting though, But yeah, I guess I guess we can
put that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
One to bed.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean, I don't know, like when when we talk
about chem trails, though, I think the the the big
picture thinking behind them as a conspiracy is largely still
kind of you know, the jury is out. If not,
it feels entirely debunked. This is a very specific instance
where it's something that we could absolutely classify as a
(34:28):
chemical dispersement at high altitude. But what we think of
as being chem trails as like the kind of holy
grail of conspiracy theory circles. I think we're all still
in agreement, is U is a bit spurious?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes, right, So when when people say chem trail, you know,
like you said, no, they're thinking big picture, often about
what looks like a con trail. However, this at this
high altitude disbursement did occur. We know it occurred multiple times.
(35:03):
We mentioned seven hundred and fifty times, but the full
extent of the test in these programs exceeded went into
the thousands, isn't that right, Matt?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, Yeah, at least according to the latest the latest
numbers from professor Schmidt's research that we mentioned earlier. The investigation,
orly his investigation as of I believe twenty fifteen, was
that when this was yeah, July twenty fifteen, when this
article in the Independent was written, he is believing that
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up to thirty thousand secret chemical warfare substance experiments were
carried out, and most of that was occurring at the
facility or the area we're referring to called Port and
down where there are British soldiers being experimented on specifically.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, So the seven hundred and fifty number is the
is the piece of the pie that applies to the
public so far as we know. Yeah, And this means that,
like so many of the modern conspiracy theories, in this
our new age of folklore, there is a grain of
(36:12):
truth here. There is a seed of fact in this
or a spray of fact. If we want to be
real jerks about our language. This is only one example
of government doing this. Of course, as we've mentioned, the
United States has done multiple experiments like this. We haven't
dived into it yet, but we haven't dove into it yet,
(36:34):
But I would be incredibly surprised if the USSR or
the FSRS is called now was not doing the same
thing at some point. At this point, here in twenty twenty,
members of the UK public, including retired members from military service,
are still pushing for further investigation. In a way, again,
(36:55):
it's similar to Agent Orange allegations. But what do you
all think? I mean, this has proven this actually happened.
Is this the whole dirty story now finally revealed or
is there more to it? In other words, is this
the tip of a biological warfare?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Iceberg?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It's a really tough thing to wrap your head around
knowing that, in a way, wherever you live, your government
may see to it that their experiments either on you
or you know, your friends, your family, your neighbors. Somewhere
within you know, a short drive of where you live,
(37:37):
there could be experimentation occurring on the people, the moms
and dads and sons and daughters and all of that
it's a really tough thing to know that, and it's
what we're talking about today. It's cold war time. Most
of this occurred, correct me if I'm wrong here, Ben,
But during cold war times where there are how no
(38:00):
matter how warm they are, there are threats, There are
outside threats, and these you know, governments are attempting to
stay abreast of situations, stay ahead of technologies, and germ
warfare is one of those things, and many times that
is to make sure we know what's going to happen
if we When I say we, I mean if our
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population gets hit by this type of germ warfare, what's
it going to look like? How could we respond to it?
And maybe that's giving a little more of a benefit
of the doubt to the situation. I don't know. The
one thing I would want to add here at the
end is to caution yourself when thinking about this kind
of stuff and then perhaps applying it to our current
(38:45):
situation with the novel coronavirus and with COVID nineteen. I
can't sit here and tell you that there isn't some
other reason behind the release of this, but I also
would say it's very unlikely that it's any kind of
attack right.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Right likely, But I think viscerally we can understand the
threat and the feeling associated with, like what it would
be like to be a victim of someone knowingly doing
something like what we're experiencing right now right I mean,
I think, like psychologically that is something that is very
unsettling thinking about, you know, what, what it would take
(39:28):
for someone to have that little disregard for human you know,
life and human sanity to do something like that, knowing
how isolated and scared everyone is right now with this
current situation. That's I think that's that's that's what that's
where my mind goes. Not that our situation right now
is in some way some version of this. It's more
just the psychological, you know, fallout of dealing with a
(39:52):
situation like this.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I am a tip to agree. I think that's a
that's an important point. But we would be remiss if
we didn't, if we didn't hit that point, and if
we didn't Also note, we're going to have some more
updates on COVID nineteen coming. A lot of people on
Twitter and various platforms have asked to hear a bug
(40:16):
out Bag specific episode. I would recommend we're going to
do one specifically on bug out bags and how to
get out of areas if you need to, and you
don't need to yet as a matter of fact, please
stay indoors, as they say on Mitchell and Web. But
we have to point out we have to point out
(40:37):
this the idea that COVID nineteen could have been manufactured.
It's been floated by a bunch of different different entities
and institutions, including members of the Chinese the Chinese government,
but these still remain conspiracy theories. It's similar to the
(40:57):
idea that HIV was purposely create, created to weed out
some specific part of the global population. These would be
terrible weapons to choose for that. I think we said
this in our earlier COVID episode because although it spreads quickly,
it wouldn't It doesn't behave the way that a bio
(41:19):
weapon ideally would behave. And if you wanted to make one,
which we'll talk about at length in another episode, if
you wanted to make one and you actually tried, you
would do a much better job than COVID nineteen. This
is still dangerous, but it being dangerous, I think the
scariest part of it is that it had a natural origin.
(41:39):
It did not take human intervention to make it as
much of a threat as it is today. And to
the point about misinformation, please please please, when you're out
there on the internets, when your relatives are sending you
posts from someone they heard from Facebook or something, please
politely ask for source. Because misinformation and panic are as
(42:02):
contagious as a pandemic. They're a pandemic all their own.
There's nothing wrong with asking people for that kind of
source if they say something that you know feels weird.
Because you know, Matt Nol, you guys have noticed it
seems like everybody's got a cousin who somehow works at
the Pentagon nowadays.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Right, Sure, it feels that way. And you know, I
would say even when it comes to positive news, you know,
because nothing is worse than false hope. And there might
be some people that would disagree with me, But it
feels like the way the UH not to get too
political with the way the administration is handing with us
right now, it's a little off in that there are
some claims being thrown around that don't have sources to
(42:42):
back them up, or that have kind of anecdotal sources,
like in terms of like a miracle drug that will
like cure this thing. And I think a lot of
folks that get their news from certain locations and from
these press conferences will be largely disappointed and when when
they find out this is not, in fact what it
was set out to be. And the idea of availability
(43:04):
of masks and availability of relief and ships that are
coming to people's rescue in New York and California, we've
yet to see those things come to fruition. And there's
a lot of overpromising and under delivering. And I would
caution people to, you know, temper expectations in that respect too.
I mean, don't you know, feel hopeless. But let's just
(43:25):
be realistic.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm gonna make a light comment here really quickly, and
I promise everybody we're gonna wrap up, Noel as you
were talking. I don't know if you noticed, but which
cat is that? Ben?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
That is doctor Venkman.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Doctor Vankman in the background has been quietly giving these
cute little yows, and Ben, wearing his lucid or mask,
has been trying to get doctor Vankman to be quiet.
And the image Ben is one of the cutest, funniest,
weirdest things that I've experience in a while, and I
(44:01):
just want to thank you for lightning my day, lighting
my day a little bit. And while NOL was like,
while Knowle is talking about all the crazy misinformation that
we're kind of wading through at.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
This point, Yeah, I appreciate that. I guess I won't
put them in the cat gulag just yet. But you know,
it's always weird when you start working with a new producer.
Right to that point though, about the danger of this
positive stuff, this false hope it's true, you know, as
there have been US government officials who have said I
(44:38):
believe it was US government who have said kakammy things
like just put air from a blue dryer up your
nose and you'll be fine. And there are people selling,
you know, flim flam and wu wu kind of cures.
If something sounds too good to be true, the unfortunate,
the unfortunate fact of the world in which we live
(44:58):
is that it's because it is un true. So well said,
we also want to know what you think, folks. Thank
you so much for tuning in. We hope you are happy,
we hope you are healthy, we hope you are safe.
Just as importantly, we hope that you are exercising critical
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(45:18):
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Speaker 5 (46:18):
Hey guys, I love your show. I just want to
say thank you. I'm calling I just got done listening
to the Here Do we Have Enough for Everyone podcast
in Cato and you're talking about the coronavirus and I
just wanted to add that my significant other. She is
(46:40):
a registered nurse we have outside of Milwaukee. That's not
all the information I want to you know, let you
guys know. But anyway, she has been responsible for taking
care of one of the three patients that is infected
with the coronavirus. Some specifics about him. He's mid thirties,
(47:03):
Uh not, I mean, you know, compromised, very healthy, and
he was infected and he is now in critical condition.
Just just wanted to say that, you know, all these
millennials are not too worried about saveritio it that they're
invincible and stuff like that, and uh, you know this
(47:25):
this gentleman is, you know, may or may not lose
his life, so maybe a lot of people take it
a little more seriously. Anyways, Hey, thanks again, guys, and
before here, thanks show, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's it's unfortunately a common tale that's happening in the
United States more and more often. In the past few
weeks and days, people who would seem to be otherwise healthy,
would seem even to be outside of the target demographic
for for COVID cases requiring hot hospitalization are falling one
(48:02):
after another into hospitals. Just a few days before we
recorded this In fact, a twelve year old child here
in here in Atlanta, Georgia was hospitalized with what was
originally diagnosed as pneumonia and then later realized to be
COVID nineteen. So this is affecting everybody. To your point, caller,
(48:25):
this is also affecting millennials as well. Just because you
are say twenty five years old or under sixty three
or something, it does not make you immune and it
does not mean that you should be playing around. Is
that about the size of it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
It's one of these things too, where I mean, the
story just keeps evolving, where you know, one minute it's like, oh,
don't take ibuprofen, and then it's like Ibuprofen's fine, and
one minute it's like, you know, people with that are
symptom less are worse vectors. They apparently carry a higher
viral load, is one thing that I saw reported. So
that's the reason it's so scary right now, is because
(49:01):
people don't know who has it, who doesn't have a
gather on enough tests, and potentially folks that are asymptomatic
are like, you know, acting as super spreaders because they
think they're all hunky dory. So it's just the kind
of story that just keeps evolving and without becoming a paranoid,
you know, news freak. I think it's important that we
keep an eye on it and just do our part
(49:22):
and do not play around, stay stay home.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Agreed, one hundred percent, one million percent. Actually, if we're
going to violate the rules of math there, we are
also just like you individuals, so you can you can
find us on the internet outside of our show. This
is one of This is the first pandemic in our
hyper connected age, so we are, like many people, using
(49:50):
social media and online tools to stay connected even when
we can't physically be together. So with that in mind,
if you want to find as individuals, there are a
couple of ways to do so.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You can check me out exclusively on Instagram where I
am at how now Noel Brown. I have a cat too,
a tail less cat named Fernando, who isn't quite as
fluffy and cute as Ben's cats, but really has his moments,
and you might see him pop up on all my
stories from time to time and maybe some of the
(50:23):
weird ambient music that I'm making to pass the time.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
A great Fernando's Great aka Robert. He's a cat with Moxie.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's right, right.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You can hear the dogs barking in my neighbor's yard
on my storyless Instagram account. Matt something underscore, Frederick, iHeart something.
I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I love this part of your character that just doesn't
give a crap about social media. It's really charming. I'm
not joking. I enjoy that about you.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, you just won't find anything because I don't do
anything but there so you know, if if an emergency happens,
and maybe I'll publish something and you'll know.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
About it, a social media emergency.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well waiting.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Oh, speaking of which acronyms that begin with us center
three letters long? Can you believe that Saturday Night Live
is gone dark for like the first time maybe ever?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I can. Yeah, it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
It is the right thing to do. But that was
when I was really like, Okay, this is real.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
All the late shows, all the late shows as well.
I believe Stephen Colbert has recorded some monologues from his house.
Ira Glass is just like us. He's recording from his house.
We're we're aiming collectively to keep making these podcasts as
long as we can, and we hope that it. We
(51:48):
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(52:08):
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You've been fielding a lot of great questions there and
some pretty off the wall ones. But just to reiterate
everything Matt and Nol have said, this is serious. We
(52:32):
are here, and we are we are working ardently. You
can't you know, you can't hear Paul on this podcast,
but he's tuned in as well, so we're hoping to
be here for you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, and the best place to find information is always
at this point, the CDC, the WHO, an organization like
that that's trying to keep tabs on as many people
as possible and really find a vaccine as quickly as possible.
So just keep your eyes open and your ears of
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Fellow conspiracy realists. Thank you was always so much for
tuning in. We are returning with a classic episode for
this week. We're going back to kim trails. You know
what I mean, our long standing situationship with kim.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Trails one of the first videos we ever made, baby boo.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
Okay, all right, Matt, can you break down for us
the difference between a chim trail and a con trail?
Speaker 2 (00:28):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (00:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (00:29):
Contrails are the things that jet engines make that airplanes
you see up in the sky when they're flying through
and you see a little white wispy thing behind that plane.
That's a contrail. It has to do with moisture getting
condensed really hard, basically creating little clouds that are in
the form of a line that traces the plane. But
(00:50):
what's a chemtrail?
Speaker 1 (00:52):
Ooh, It's kind of the same thing, but it includes
allegedly very evil chemicals, could be biological warfare, could be
meant to poison a population physically or even mentally.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Right, WHOA Does this have something to do with cloud seating?
Speaker 1 (01:10):
It should, because we are doing a cloud seating update
later in the year. What we found back in twenty twenty,
Matt and I were looking into this. We discovered that
chemtrails as a concept, they get dismissed a lot by
current scientific thoughts, but they were real for a time
(01:34):
in the United Kingdom. As we discovered in this episode,
the British military did drop thousands of kilos of chemicals
ond unknowing civilians in British territory, especially around Salisbury in Wiltshire, Cardington.
(01:55):
I'm doing my best to say it without anything other
than American accent. It was zinc cadmium sulfide and the
idea was that this was harmless. It was a war
game to figure out what would happen if the Russians
started dropping some party farts over the people.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
But yeah, how would air currents make that stuff travel
over the United Kingdom? What parts would be the most affected?
That kind of thing, and it's an interesting thing to
revisit Right now. I'm looking at an article in the
Guardian talking about geoengineering experiments that are going on right
now that the UK government is backing.
Speaker 1 (02:36):
Those folks, they get into all kinds of wacky adventures.
Here's what that we found out about. We're trying not
to be disturbed by it, but I think You're right.
It does have resonance.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
And let's see what we found out way back when
in the year twenty twenty.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
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Speaker 2 (03:20):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (03:23):
Name is Noah.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer, Paul mission controlled Decan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. We wanted to start
the show today. You know, we always usually do a
little bit of a check in, but we wanted to
start the show today with a bit of a state
(03:47):
of the union. As you and millions of other people
hear this show today, you odds are you are listening
to it while you are bunkered away somewhere, possibly self isolating,
And we want you to know that the four of us, Noel, Paul,
Matt and myself are doing the same. This is our
first episode that we're recording remotely.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Yes, it's true, Ben, Are we allowed to spoil what's
going on?
Speaker 2 (04:11):
With you right now?
Speaker 3 (04:12):
Or is this just for us?
Speaker 1 (04:14):
Please feel free? Feel free?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Well be not only are we seeing each other for
the first time, well, Paul's usually on the other side
of some sort of screen, a glass screen, but now
it's a real virtual screen. Ben is wearing something of
a costume today and I'm quite enjoying it. Slash terrified
by it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Well, okay, I just want to describe Ben's situation a
little bit. Ben, stop me if it's too much. In
the shot of Ben, we've got a lucidor mask that
is white and red primarily in color that Ben is wearing.
It looks epic. He's got his headphones on behind him,
there's the cutest cat that you've ever seen, and some candles,
(04:56):
and it just looks like an epic time. I just
want to be hanging out over there, but I'm stuck
here in my house, which, by the way, you may
hear a child running around every once in a while,
hopefully not, but you may end up hearing that in
these recordings. We'll do our best to remove it.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Matt, did you leave out the Bapha met altar on
purpose or were you just thinking we would spare people
in that detail.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
That's just that's just the way my office looks.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
I'm sorry, no I was talking about Ben's baffa met altar.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
Oh, I wanted to describe everybody's set up here. So Noel,
since since you're up right now, I want to say,
Noel is by a windows, got a lovely You're you're
a bit of a connoisseur of art, So Nol's got
some awesome art hanging up there in the back, and
then one by the window, and you've got you've got
(05:46):
kind of a glow from the window.
Speaker 3 (05:47):
Man, it looks really cool. Oh thanks, man, it's sort
of a back lighty situation. I appreciate you acknowledging my glow.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
And is that a stratocaster? What is that hanging out?
Speaker 3 (05:57):
And that is a jazz a master? Oh yeah, I've
been doing a little work on I got the action
just like I like it, and got a bunch of
cool effects pedals that I've been toying around with keeping
myself from losing my mind.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
And let's pass it to Let's pass it to perhaps
the third and most mysterious bunker. Natt, you look like
you are in an episode of one of our favorite
shows the X files. You've got this amazingly, this like
dramatic lighting just on what is your left side, there's
(06:29):
just a little bit of light.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, I've got a window open and I've turned off
all electrical devices i possibly can, because in testing my
mic out here, I noticed that there's electrical interference all
over this room. I don't know if it's a power
line situation, if it's just the electrical in my house.
And I've never really attempted to use one of these
mics here before, but it sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
Oh wait a second, Wait a second, Matt, So you're
are you using one of those condenser mics, the USB mics?
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It is?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
It is a USB mic, yes, but looks like in
SM fifty eight, just you know, a standard handheld mic.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
But it is another another part of this image of
you is you've got one of those pop filters. So
when your face is behind that, it's like there's this
giant black screen completely blotting out your face. You look
through like a character from Sin City or something. It's
it's quite remarkable and eerie.
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
On one extra thing is I always turn my head
when I breathe because I'm a professional you know, shout
out to Tay Sunday. All right, let's do this, you guys.
Let's by the way, we need to just again, Ben,
you already kind of talk to everybody already, but just
to know that it is genuine and coming from our hearts.
(07:43):
We really are thinking about each and every one of you,
specifically you listening to this right now, and what you're
going through, what you're having to do to stay safe
and protect everybody else. Sometimes right now feels scary. I
would say, there's a lot of anxiet that comes along
with our situation that we all find ourselves in. But
(08:05):
just know that by taking the precautions you're taking, you're
not only protecting yourself and the people you love, but everybody.
So just keep going strong.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
Well said, Well said, And we want to hear from you, folks.
So we've given you a brief update on our bunker situations.
So we'd love to hear updates from your neck of
the Global Woods. If you want to send us a
photo of your current battle station, if you want to
give us your observations, reach out, feel free to We're
(08:36):
on Twitter, We're on Facebook, or on Instagram. All that
jazz as we've said we're all in the midst of
this pandemic occurring. Together. We have more coming regarding the
current crisis, the conspiracies and the consequences involved. And today
we thought, since so many people are suffering from COVID
(08:59):
nineteen news fatigue, that we might collectively enjoy a dive
into something largely unrelated. KIM trails? Are they real? Buddy?
Here are the facts?
Speaker 3 (09:13):
Okay, First off, we need to differentiate between some pretty
often conflated concepts phenomena. While KIM trails are pretty controversial
and often the subject of tons of conspiracy theories, contrails
are a distinct different and actual facts proven thing. So
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what is a contrail? It all comes down to jets.
Jet engines spew out super super hot air and because
water vapor is also one of the byproducts of the exhaust,
the air is also incredibly humid. Where these jets fly,
the air is typically cold, often below negative forty degrees fahrenheit. Additionally,
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the atmosphere at that altitude has very low vapor pressure,
or the force that's exerted by a gas on its
surrounding environment.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
Yeah, that's right. And when this jet engine is emitting
this hot humid air into that atmosphere you describe NOL
that's so cold and has low vapor pressure, it results
in condensation and the water vapor coming out of the
engine very quickly condenses into water droplets, and then it
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very quickly crystallizes into ice. Those are what we see
forming behind a jet engine. Those are the contrails, and
that stands for of course, it's short for rather condensation trails.
We have a pretty good example of how you can
witness this phenomenon for yourself.
Speaker 2 (10:50):
Yeah, it's pretty simple. If you've ever been outside before
when it's very cold, or maybe inside, and you breathe
out slowly, you know, more of a than a pushing
air quickly out of your mouth. That puff of air
dissipates really quickly when it's dry, even if it is
very very cold. But you know, if you do that
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on a day that's a little more human, it might
stick around quite a bit longer. And it's the same
with contrails. When the atmosphere is more humid. The contrails,
just like your breath, they're gonna linger out there in
the atmosphere for a longer time before they dissipate. But again,
when you've got a drier atmosphere, they are going to
just kind of just go away a lot faster. And
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you've probably witnessed this before. You've probably seen a couple
of different kinds of contrails or streaks across the sky
that maybe you think is a contrail or a chemtrail,
but you're not really sure. But you've probably witnessed them
dissipate extremely quickly behind a jet engine or you know,
an airplane and aircraft. And you've also probably seen them
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linger for a long time, it feels like hours. Just
remember that you have seen this.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
Before, right, you've seen it before. But many of your
friends may have assured you already that you have sometimes
seen contrails and sometimes seen something else, something called a chemtrail.
According to its proponents, a chim trail is something much
more insidious because while a contrail is understood to be
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more or less benign, according to these theories, a chim
trail is purposely designed and dispersed to expose large swaths
of unknowing people to any variety of chemicals.
Speaker 3 (12:38):
So here's the idea. Basically, these can theory these chemicals
might be intended to create some sort of widespread physical
change to populations, animals, the environment, or plants, or create
some kind of widespread psychological phenomenon changes beings for example.
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A lot of conspiracy theorists, to use the term of
abuse I guess here, often get hung up on this
notion based on super anecdotal evidence that epidemics of flu
like symptoms, for example, can be connected to instances of chemtrails, or,
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in an incredibly extreme version, the idea is that chemtrails
could be used as a form of population control, weeding
out the sick and elderly. So this is all some
pretty extreme stuff. Let's go into a quick history of
this before we get to been out of shape here, right.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
So, if you were, let's say, in the nineteen seventies
or nineteen eighties, trying to learn about the idea of chemtrails,
you wouldn't have found the term. It's fairly recent. These
theories first came into the mainstream world in the nineteen
nineties under under Art Bell's work at Coast to Coast
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AM and they blew up in the mainstream, first on
the fringe, but then in the mainstream. They're actually mentioned
in Congress US House Bill HR twenty nine seventy seven
banned various types of weapons in space, but it also
originally started out with a reference to chim trails. Ultimately
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this reference was removed. But you know, people who believe
in Kim trails will say this thing in congressional record
is indicative of it being a real problem that was
on October second, two thousand and one.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But the mention specifically alludes to it not existing.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
Oh right, The mention says, the mention when it was
introduced by Dennis Kucinich, did seem to like, did imply
that there was potential for some kind of weapon that
would be called a trail. But they removed it because
there's no scientific proof about this.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I see. I think I'm confusing this with the group
of Harvard engineers that David Keith was leading, who was
the professor of applied physics at Harvard's John A. Paulson
School of Engineering, and there was a quote from him
that says this, we have not seen any credible evidence
that Kem trails exists. If we did see any evidence
that governments were endangering their own citizens in that manner
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a legend in chim trail conspiracies, we would be eager
to expose and stop such activities.
Speaker 2 (15:34):
Yeah, although we didn't do that when we were using
essentially chim trail's as a weapon of war during the
Vietnam War or in other conflicts where we were actually
spring things in the aar to kill you both plants
and to potentially harm enemy combatants.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
Oh, I mean, not even to mention things like weaponizing insects.
And this is a crazy one, but there was that
whole experiment where the US government dropped flea bombs on
poor parts of I believe it was Louisiana and Florida.
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Ben isn't that right?
Speaker 1 (16:08):
Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
But but just specifically, I mean, I'm not I'm not
trying to discounter or play that down, noll. It's just
specifically using aircraft to spray noxious chemicals over a population
or an area, right as a weapon of war. Oh,
totally the way.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
And I only mentioned the flee thing because it was
specifically to spread biological agents to like, you know, diminish
people and give them like you know, malaria and stuff,
or potentially use it as as an agent of war
as well.
Speaker 2 (16:37):
Sure, And really what we're setting up here is the
difference between the the intense theories that are out there, right,
and then what established science says about chemtraials specifically spraying
at these higher altitudes.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
Right, right, That's that's why, that's why David Keith quote
is one of my go to answers when people ask
what the scoop is regarding the misinformation, the disinformation, the allegations,
and of course the facts, because that statement seems pretty conclusive,
and Keith and his team of engineers are not some
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kind of rogue renegades from the ivory towers of the academy.
What they're stating is the status quo establishment conclusion. And
while this may seem comforting, the truth it turns out
isn't as cut and dried. We'll tell you the truth,
words and all afterword from our sponsor. Here's where it
(17:43):
gets crazy. This actually happened, Tim Trail's actually happened, and
not just not just the dispersal that you had mentioned earlier,
Matt in times of war or famously over Saint Louis.
Here in the US, we know for a fact that
the United Kingdom did conspire to secretly experiment on their population,
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not just their service members, but on their civilian population
through the deployment of what could be reasonably described as chemtrails.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
Yeah, so here's the basics. Starting in nineteen forty the
British government used the unsuspecting domestic public as actual facts
guinea pigs for biological and chemical warfare experiments. In more
than seven hundred and fifty secret ops, hundreds of thousands
of people were subjected to what they called mock biological
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and chemical war fare attacks from aircraft, ships, and road vehicles.
And this went on until nineteen seventy nine.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah. Yeah, And don't be fooled by that idea of
mock biological and chemical warfare attacks. These weren't all dry runs,
these weren't all war games. In fact, many of these
tests involved release potentially dangerous chemicals and micro organisms over
huge amounts of the population without the public ever being told.
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And think think about that span of time there, that's
almost forty years, nineteen forty to nineteen seventy nine. These
were designed by the Ministry of Defense to assess what
would happen to the UK if Russian forces released you know,
clouds of a biological or chemical weapon across the country.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
But here's the deal. In most of the cases throughout
this long period of time. The trials didn't use biological weapons,
but some kind of alternative that the scientists thought would
maybe mimic German warfare in some way, and the Ministry
of Defense claimed, you know, these substances that they were
using were actually going to be harmless. However, it's a
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big however here there are certain areas around the UK
where the families there would have children, and these children
would have birth defects, and those families in particular are
demanding a very specific and public inquiry into the substances
that were used during these tests and really just to
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get as much public information as possible about them.
Speaker 1 (20:20):
Yeah, and they met with no shortage of red tape,
something that you could arguably describe as stonewalling. So the
outcry that hit in leould say two thousand and two,
two thousand and four came about partially because of something
called Operation Antler. Operation Antler was the official investigation into
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the activities that we're citing from forty to seventy nine.
They were headquartered or masterminded maybe is a better word,
from a place a lot of people in the US
probably have never heard of. It's called Porton. Down. Down
is a Science Compound in Wiltshire, England. It's called Porton
Down because it's just northeast of Porton, which is a
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village near Salisbury. It's home to two British facilities the
Ministry of Defense is Defense Science and Technology Laboratory and
a site of Public Health England. The DSTL Defense Science
and Technology Laboratory has been known as one of the
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most secretive and controversial research facilities in the British military
for over one hundred years. So think of what's the
place in Australia Pine Flats, pine Gap, pine Gag. It's
like Pine Gap yep. And the inquiries that the public
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and former service members have been raising established that a
number of the people participating in the Service Volunteer Program
aka where the soldiers can sign up to be exposed,
they claimed that they were tricked into taking part in
these experiments. They had consent but not informed consent. And
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then some of these retired service members also claimed to
have suffered long term illness or injury in some cases
similar to the well in some ways similar to Vietnam
veterans reporting of exposure to agent orange. And then again,
as you said, Matt Longtail, intergenerational effects like birth defects,
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and it doesn't stop there.
Speaker 3 (22:35):
Yes, it's true. Research by a gentleman named Ulf Schmidt,
who's professor of modern history at the University of Kent,
revealed that British military aircraft dropped thousands of kilos of
chemicals that possessed quote largely unknown toxic potential on British
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civilian populations in the Salisbury area in Wiltshire, Cardington in Bedfordshire,
and Norwich and Norfolk. Around forty six hundred kilos of
the chemical zinc cadmium sulfide, which is now known to
be or at least thought to be pretty carcinogenic potentially
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on account of its containing cadmium. And this was allegedly
dispersed from ships, aircraft and moving trucks or as they
call them in the UK laurees between nineteen fifty three
and nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 2 (23:33):
And again we're looking to old Schmidt here, who wrote
a book called Secret Science, and within this book he
also shows the commuters in the London underground were subjected
to very similar illegal experiments. And you know, just before
we continue on here, do you guys remember or you listening,
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do you remember warnings about tests within New York subway
system where there are going to do some testing with
dispersans of some sort to see how chemicals or agents
would move throughout the transit system underground in New York.
Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 1 (24:12):
Oh yeah, I love that reasoning too. Let's just see
what happens.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Well, yeah, Well, there's this concept of attempting to experiment
with in this case, just the thing I'm talking about here,
to see where a contagion would travel if it got
released in a specific station.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Oh, I see underneath in terms of the air patterns,
or where it would be carried, like through witch tunnels,
and it would where would go?
Speaker 2 (24:41):
Or well yeah, and as commuters you know, are are
subjected to it, get onto a train that get off somewhere,
how quickly does it spurs throughout the Manhattan Island or
you know, how far does it go?
Speaker 3 (24:52):
Fascinating?
Speaker 2 (24:53):
But this is the same kind of thing here a
little bit, but it's closer closer to human experimentation in
my opinion at.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
Least, right right, right, So this is very important I
want to interject here. It is still a human experimentation.
The stuff in New York from what I can recall
was just exactly what you said. It was a modeling
exercise to take an inert substance or material that would
still behave the same way as a weaponized aerosol and
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be trackable so we could monitor the spread, which is
actually a pretty smart thing to do. But the ethical
quandary there is if you tell people you're doing that,
no matter how transparent you are about how harmless it is,
people aren't going to ride public transit if they can
help it. Why would you expose yourself? And you know,
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this is an understandable fear because, like like we reference
with Professor Schmidt in his book Secret Science, the operations
on the London Underground involve the release of large quantities
of a bacteria called Bacillis globg globigi. And the scientists
wanted to say they wanted to determine whether quote long
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distance travel of aerosols in the tube was due to
transportation within the trains themselves or whether the big weak
point was the air ventilations in the tube. From what
I recall, both were pretty bad. But this isn't all
that the UK did. We're going to pause for one
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more sponsor break and we'll be back to tell you
about how these experiments went global while they were still
classified and top secret. So we have returned. It's true,
conspiracy realists, these experiments did go global. The research also
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reveals that these experiments occurred in another part of the world.
There was a British imperial possession at the time, was Nigeria.
Chemical warfare trials were held there as well, and we
even found the specific area of Nigeria in which they
were held.
Speaker 3 (27:10):
A place called Abanagorro in southern Nigeria specifically was the
site of four British Cold War scientific missions that spent
a total around fifteen months dispersing and assessing the effects
of large quantities of experimental nerve gas weapons. So this
location was important because it permitted field trials to be
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carried out in a tropical environment, and of course that
was not in Britain or Australia.
Speaker 1 (27:41):
Right importantly, and that means that there was much less
oversight and people were also much less likely to be
able to successfully inquire with the government about the possible
detrimental effects.
Speaker 2 (27:58):
And before we you know, we kind of conclude here
there's there's another experimentation that calls back to just this
concept of putting out weird agents or clouds of terrifying
things to test both how the air is going to
disperse them, you know, in whatever else, whatever other parameters
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are being tested there. There's an instance from nineteen fifty
two where on the on the west coast of Scotland
there was a cloud of bacteria, not just any bacteria,
not like the ones that were released into the London underground,
literally plague bacteria. A cloud of it that was released
to see essentially to test again, like in all these instances,
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what happens to this stuff when it just goes into
the air, Where does it go? What happens to it? Well,
there was a fishing fishing boat that happened to travel
through this cloud of freaking plague bacteria. It's a vessel
full of fishermen. They just went right through it, and
there was this horrible, you know, feeling in the pits
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of the stomachs of the people experimenting that Oh wow,
let's see, I wonder if any of those guys are
actually going to get plague. Ben I don't know if
you read about this one, but it was just really
really creepy to think that unknowingly you could drive your boat,
your ship that has a bunch of just working class
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people through a cloud that ends up being plague.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
Yeah. The same reports confirmed that the government was dispersing
anthrax like, not an inert chemical, actual anthrax, and they
were doing this not just off the Scottish coast but
also all around the Caribbean, and that even in the
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highest halls of UK government there was tacit approval. So
people may have had plausible deniability, but they knew what
was going on and they let it happen again for
decades and decades and decades.
Speaker 2 (30:03):
And just one other quick thing here. It's noted in
both the Independent and I believe in the Guardian newspaper
that the Bahamas, the territory of the Bahamas, was seen
by a lot of the scientists performing these kinds of
tests as the absolute best place to carry out these
kinds of surface tests without any kind of restriction. Just
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be aware of that.
Speaker 3 (30:28):
And was there something that was particularly appealing about these
tropical climates.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
Yeah, a couple of things. First, just the environment, given
that it had enough similarities geographically, if not climate wise,
it just had enough geographic similarities to the United Kingdom,
which again is you know, a collection of archipelagoes. So
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this is a good way to see how something how mass,
with a huge coastline could be affected by maritime dispersal.
That's why it's off the coast instead of you know,
on the on the land.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
In those experiments, and just to give a little bit
of clarity there about the Bahamas, it was this is
a quote from The Independent, It was an uninhabited island
in the Bahamas. In the sea near that uninhabited island,
so it wasn't you know, necessarily directly on up the
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population of the Bahamas where people are living, but it's
still very close and with all of the winds that
that are happening out there, you know, you can pretty
much predict the weather. Ben But what's the quote we
always like to use about the weather. The meteorologists are
oh alchemists.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
No, Well, it's yeah, you're right, though, especially in that case,
they were not working super hard to do their due
diligence about whether people would be endangered. The specific stuff
they deployed was venezuelan equine encephalitis in that uninhabited island
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in the Bahamas. This kills donkeys and horses, but it
can also kill human beings and it can be spread
by mosquitoes when they bite the horses or the donkeys.
This is an addition to by the way G series
nerve agents that was deployed in Nigeria that can do
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things like cause loss of certain bodily functions. If you survive,
you'll have long term neurological damage, psychiatric disorders. And then
of course we mentioned the Bacterium bacillis globe bygi gloebig.
I'm not entirely certain on that that can also cause
fevers occasionally fatal. This is heavy duty stuff. This was
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not you know, we can't size this enough. This was
not like silly string they were spraying around or fabreeze
or something, neither of which are sponsoring the show. This
was These were weapons of murder potentially. And you can
say that this was a scenario to figure out how
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it would spread during an attack from an antagonistic force,
but the reality of the matter is it was not
a dry run. The idea that we're doing this for
quote unquote defense falls far short of justifying what actually happened.
So this all means that, yeah, in a way, kem
trails were very very real at least if by kem
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trails we mean the concept of illegal and dangerous aerosol dispersals.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
Well, you certainly don't need a weather man to know
which way the eastern eck wine encephalitis blows. It's well,
it's whichever way the wind blows. I guess that's that's
upsetting though, But yeah, I guess I guess we can
put that.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
One to bed.
Speaker 3 (34:05):
I mean, I don't know, like when when we talk
about chem trails, though, I think the the the big
picture thinking behind them as a conspiracy is largely still
kind of you know, the jury is out. If not,
it feels entirely debunked. This is a very specific instance
where it's something that we could absolutely classify as a
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chemical dispersement at high altitude. But what we think of
as being chem trails as like the kind of holy
grail of conspiracy theory circles. I think we're all still
in agreement, is U is a bit spurious?
Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes, right, So when when people say chem trail, you know,
like you said, no, they're thinking big picture, often about
what looks like a con trail. However, this at this
high altitude disbursement did occur. We know it occurred multiple times.
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We mentioned seven hundred and fifty times, but the full
extent of the test in these programs exceeded went into
the thousands, isn't that right, Matt?
Speaker 2 (35:12):
Well, Yeah, at least according to the latest the latest
numbers from professor Schmidt's research that we mentioned earlier. The investigation,
orly his investigation as of I believe twenty fifteen, was
that when this was yeah, July twenty fifteen, when this
article in the Independent was written, he is believing that
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up to thirty thousand secret chemical warfare substance experiments were
carried out, and most of that was occurring at the
facility or the area we're referring to called Port and
down where there are British soldiers being experimented on specifically.
Speaker 1 (35:51):
Right, So the seven hundred and fifty number is the
is the piece of the pie that applies to the
public so far as we know. Yeah, And this means that,
like so many of the modern conspiracy theories, in this
our new age of folklore, there is a grain of
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truth here. There is a seed of fact in this
or a spray of fact. If we want to be
real jerks about our language. This is only one example
of government doing this. Of course, as we've mentioned, the
United States has done multiple experiments like this. We haven't
dived into it yet, but we haven't dove into it yet,
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But I would be incredibly surprised if the USSR or
the FSRS is called now was not doing the same
thing at some point. At this point, here in twenty twenty,
members of the UK public, including retired members from military service,
are still pushing for further investigation. In a way, again,
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it's similar to Agent Orange allegations. But what do you
all think? I mean, this has proven this actually happened.
Is this the whole dirty story now finally revealed or
is there more to it? In other words, is this
the tip of a biological warfare?
Speaker 3 (37:13):
Iceberg?
Speaker 2 (37:14):
It's a really tough thing to wrap your head around
knowing that, in a way, wherever you live, your government
may see to it that their experiments either on you
or you know, your friends, your family, your neighbors. Somewhere
within you know, a short drive of where you live,
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there could be experimentation occurring on the people, the moms
and dads and sons and daughters and all of that
it's a really tough thing to know that, and it's
what we're talking about today. It's cold war time. Most
of this occurred, correct me if I'm wrong here, Ben,
But during cold war times where there are how no
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matter how warm they are, there are threats, There are
outside threats, and these you know, governments are attempting to
stay abreast of situations, stay ahead of technologies, and germ
warfare is one of those things, and many times that
is to make sure we know what's going to happen
if we When I say we, I mean if our
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population gets hit by this type of germ warfare, what's
it going to look like? How could we respond to it?
And maybe that's giving a little more of a benefit
of the doubt to the situation. I don't know. The
one thing I would want to add here at the
end is to caution yourself when thinking about this kind
of stuff and then perhaps applying it to our current
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situation with the novel coronavirus and with COVID nineteen. I
can't sit here and tell you that there isn't some
other reason behind the release of this, but I also
would say it's very unlikely that it's any kind of
attack right.
Speaker 3 (39:05):
Right likely, But I think viscerally we can understand the
threat and the feeling associated with, like what it would
be like to be a victim of someone knowingly doing
something like what we're experiencing right now right I mean,
I think, like psychologically that is something that is very
unsettling thinking about, you know, what, what it would take
(39:28):
for someone to have that little disregard for human you know,
life and human sanity to do something like that, knowing
how isolated and scared everyone is right now with this
current situation. That's I think that's that's that's what that's
where my mind goes. Not that our situation right now
is in some way some version of this. It's more
just the psychological, you know, fallout of dealing with a
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situation like this.
Speaker 1 (39:53):
I am a tip to agree. I think that's a
that's an important point. But we would be remiss if
we didn't, if we didn't hit that point, and if
we didn't Also note, we're going to have some more
updates on COVID nineteen coming. A lot of people on
Twitter and various platforms have asked to hear a bug
(40:16):
out Bag specific episode. I would recommend we're going to
do one specifically on bug out bags and how to
get out of areas if you need to, and you
don't need to yet as a matter of fact, please
stay indoors, as they say on Mitchell and Web. But
we have to point out we have to point out
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this the idea that COVID nineteen could have been manufactured.
It's been floated by a bunch of different different entities
and institutions, including members of the Chinese the Chinese government,
but these still remain conspiracy theories. It's similar to the
(40:57):
idea that HIV was purposely create, created to weed out
some specific part of the global population. These would be
terrible weapons to choose for that. I think we said
this in our earlier COVID episode because although it spreads quickly,
it wouldn't It doesn't behave the way that a bio
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weapon ideally would behave. And if you wanted to make one,
which we'll talk about at length in another episode, if
you wanted to make one and you actually tried, you
would do a much better job than COVID nineteen. This
is still dangerous, but it being dangerous, I think the
scariest part of it is that it had a natural origin.
(41:39):
It did not take human intervention to make it as
much of a threat as it is today. And to
the point about misinformation, please please please, when you're out
there on the internets, when your relatives are sending you
posts from someone they heard from Facebook or something, please
politely ask for source. Because misinformation and panic are as
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contagious as a pandemic. They're a pandemic all their own.
There's nothing wrong with asking people for that kind of
source if they say something that you know feels weird.
Because you know, Matt Nol, you guys have noticed it
seems like everybody's got a cousin who somehow works at
the Pentagon nowadays.
Speaker 3 (42:21):
Right, Sure, it feels that way. And you know, I
would say even when it comes to positive news, you know,
because nothing is worse than false hope. And there might
be some people that would disagree with me, But it
feels like the way the UH not to get too
political with the way the administration is handing with us
right now, it's a little off in that there are
some claims being thrown around that don't have sources to
(42:42):
back them up, or that have kind of anecdotal sources,
like in terms of like a miracle drug that will
like cure this thing. And I think a lot of
folks that get their news from certain locations and from
these press conferences will be largely disappointed and when when
they find out this is not, in fact what it
was set out to be. And the idea of availability
(43:04):
of masks and availability of relief and ships that are
coming to people's rescue in New York and California, we've
yet to see those things come to fruition. And there's
a lot of overpromising and under delivering. And I would
caution people to, you know, temper expectations in that respect too.
I mean, don't you know, feel hopeless. But let's just
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be realistic.
Speaker 2 (43:25):
I'm gonna make a light comment here really quickly, and
I promise everybody we're gonna wrap up, Noel as you
were talking. I don't know if you noticed, but which
cat is that? Ben?
Speaker 1 (43:39):
That is doctor Venkman.
Speaker 2 (43:40):
Doctor Vankman in the background has been quietly giving these
cute little yows, and Ben, wearing his lucid or mask,
has been trying to get doctor Vankman to be quiet.
And the image Ben is one of the cutest, funniest,
weirdest things that I've experience in a while, and I
(44:01):
just want to thank you for lightning my day, lighting
my day a little bit. And while NOL was like,
while Knowle is talking about all the crazy misinformation that
we're kind of wading through at.
Speaker 1 (44:15):
This point, Yeah, I appreciate that. I guess I won't
put them in the cat gulag just yet. But you know,
it's always weird when you start working with a new producer.
Right to that point though, about the danger of this
positive stuff, this false hope it's true, you know, as
there have been US government officials who have said I
(44:38):
believe it was US government who have said kakammy things
like just put air from a blue dryer up your
nose and you'll be fine. And there are people selling,
you know, flim flam and wu wu kind of cures.
If something sounds too good to be true, the unfortunate,
the unfortunate fact of the world in which we live
(44:58):
is that it's because it is un true. So well said,
we also want to know what you think, folks. Thank
you so much for tuning in. We hope you are happy,
we hope you are healthy, we hope you are safe.
Just as importantly, we hope that you are exercising critical
thinking in these times. We want to hear from you,
(45:18):
As we always say, you are the most important part
of this show. So you can find us on Facebook,
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(45:39):
you have any other stories of illicit biological warfare testing
that you feel your fellow listeners should should know about.
So please let us know. And if you hate the
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Speaker 2 (45:59):
Always call our number. It is one eight three three
st d w y t K. You can call us
and leave a message, just like this person did at
one twenty two pm on the day we recorded this.
And here we go.
Speaker 5 (46:18):
Hey guys, I love your show. I just want to
say thank you. I'm calling I just got done listening
to the Here Do we Have Enough for Everyone podcast
in Cato and you're talking about the coronavirus and I
just wanted to add that my significant other. She is
(46:40):
a registered nurse we have outside of Milwaukee. That's not
all the information I want to you know, let you
guys know. But anyway, she has been responsible for taking
care of one of the three patients that is infected
with the coronavirus. Some specifics about him. He's mid thirties,
(47:03):
Uh not, I mean, you know, compromised, very healthy, and
he was infected and he is now in critical condition.
Just just wanted to say that, you know, all these
millennials are not too worried about saveritio it that they're
invincible and stuff like that, and uh, you know this
(47:25):
this gentleman is, you know, may or may not lose
his life, so maybe a lot of people take it
a little more seriously. Anyways, Hey, thanks again, guys, and
before here, thanks show, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (47:39):
It's it's unfortunately a common tale that's happening in the
United States more and more often. In the past few
weeks and days, people who would seem to be otherwise healthy,
would seem even to be outside of the target demographic
for for COVID cases requiring hot hospitalization are falling one
(48:02):
after another into hospitals. Just a few days before we
recorded this In fact, a twelve year old child here
in here in Atlanta, Georgia was hospitalized with what was
originally diagnosed as pneumonia and then later realized to be
COVID nineteen. So this is affecting everybody. To your point, caller,
(48:25):
this is also affecting millennials as well. Just because you
are say twenty five years old or under sixty three
or something, it does not make you immune and it
does not mean that you should be playing around. Is
that about the size of it.
Speaker 3 (48:40):
It's one of these things too, where I mean, the
story just keeps evolving, where you know, one minute it's like, oh,
don't take ibuprofen, and then it's like Ibuprofen's fine, and
one minute it's like, you know, people with that are
symptom less are worse vectors. They apparently carry a higher
viral load, is one thing that I saw reported. So
that's the reason it's so scary right now, is because
(49:01):
people don't know who has it, who doesn't have a
gather on enough tests, and potentially folks that are asymptomatic
are like, you know, acting as super spreaders because they
think they're all hunky dory. So it's just the kind
of story that just keeps evolving and without becoming a paranoid,
you know, news freak. I think it's important that we
keep an eye on it and just do our part
(49:22):
and do not play around, stay stay home.
Speaker 1 (49:26):
Agreed, one hundred percent, one million percent. Actually, if we're
going to violate the rules of math there, we are
also just like you individuals, so you can you can
find us on the internet outside of our show. This
is one of This is the first pandemic in our
hyper connected age, so we are, like many people, using
(49:50):
social media and online tools to stay connected even when
we can't physically be together. So with that in mind,
if you want to find as individuals, there are a
couple of ways to do so.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
You can check me out exclusively on Instagram where I
am at how now Noel Brown. I have a cat too,
a tail less cat named Fernando, who isn't quite as
fluffy and cute as Ben's cats, but really has his moments,
and you might see him pop up on all my
stories from time to time and maybe some of the
(50:23):
weird ambient music that I'm making to pass the time.
Speaker 1 (50:26):
A great Fernando's Great aka Robert. He's a cat with Moxie.
Speaker 3 (50:31):
That's right, right.
Speaker 2 (50:33):
You can hear the dogs barking in my neighbor's yard
on my storyless Instagram account. Matt something underscore, Frederick, iHeart something.
I don't remember what it is.
Speaker 3 (50:49):
I love this part of your character that just doesn't
give a crap about social media. It's really charming. I'm
not joking. I enjoy that about you.
Speaker 2 (50:57):
Well, you just won't find anything because I don't do
anything but there so you know, if if an emergency happens,
and maybe I'll publish something and you'll know.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
About it, a social media emergency.
Speaker 1 (51:06):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, well waiting.
Speaker 3 (51:10):
Oh, speaking of which acronyms that begin with us center
three letters long? Can you believe that Saturday Night Live
is gone dark for like the first time maybe ever?
Speaker 1 (51:21):
I can. Yeah, it's the right thing to do.
Speaker 3 (51:23):
It is the right thing to do. But that was
when I was really like, Okay, this is real.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
All the late shows, all the late shows as well.
I believe Stephen Colbert has recorded some monologues from his house.
Ira Glass is just like us. He's recording from his house.
We're we're aiming collectively to keep making these podcasts as
long as we can, and we hope that it. We
(51:48):
hope that it gives you, you know, some something to
connect with, something to hear, and we hope that you
communicate with us. We aim to keep going until the
proverbial or literally lights go out. If you want to
find me on the Internet, you can find me at
Instagram at ben Bolin in a burst of creativity, as
(52:08):
always say. If you want to share news or ask
about the veracity of various things related to the pandemic,
you can always find me on Twitter at Ben BOLINHSW
You've been fielding a lot of great questions there and
some pretty off the wall ones. But just to reiterate
everything Matt and Nol have said, this is serious. We
(52:32):
are here, and we are we are working ardently. You
can't you know, you can't hear Paul on this podcast,
but he's tuned in as well, so we're hoping to
be here for you.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
Yeah, and the best place to find information is always
at this point, the CDC, the WHO, an organization like
that that's trying to keep tabs on as many people
as possible and really find a vaccine as quickly as possible.
So just keep your eyes open and your ears of
the ground and we'll be here just like you.
Speaker 1 (53:05):
And if none of those means of contacting us quite
quarantine your badgers, I never fear. We have one solid
way that you can reach out to us, all the time, anytime,
twenty four to seven. That's right, our good old fashioned
email address.
Speaker 3 (53:20):
We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio dot com.
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