CLASSIC: False Flag Attacks

Imagine if a government disguised its operatives as members of some other organization -- and then attacked itself. While this might sound crazy, several historians have argued that false flag attacks are more than just conspiracy theories.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
The Gulf of Tonkin is one of the most famous
or infamous examples of what is called a false flag attack,
and that's the subject of this week's classic episode. Imagine
if you we're running a government and for some reason
you wanted a problem, you wanted something to rally your

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people and maybe to get them to stop asking all
those pesky questions about when the election will actually happen,
or why we're going to war? What if you created
an enemy? And once again, as with many of these
classic episodes, this is a concept that has truly proliferated

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in particularly in kind of fringe groups politically who are
trying to demonize a particular group or a particular issue. Um.
We certainly have some radical um political candidates that have
used this to great effect to argue against gun controller
and the like. So we sort of set the stage
for that, and it's something that we've certainly seen rear

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its ugly head ever since. Yeah, and does anybody remember
September eleven. I mean, just all of the all of
the media that's been generated, the research that's gone into
attempting to prove that that attack, that series of attacks
was a false flag. If this is something that many people,

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including us, are fascinated by. And hey, we're going to
jump in from UFOs two. Ghosts and government cover ups,
histories writtled with unexplained events. You can turn back now
or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello,

(01:49):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and
I'm then we're here with our super producer Noel Castro
Broun oh Man. Is that that's an upgrade? Let me
full dictator right there? Well, you know he was already
heading in that direction. I think we could all see
the trajectory writ large. Isn't that right? No, that's smirk

(02:15):
evil personified. So, ladies and gentlemen, today we are talking about, um,
I don't know, let's start with this story. How about that,
all right? Or just a hypothetical situations? Okay, So let's
say super producer Noel Brown is a world leader, right,

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and she's a world leader in I don't know, pick
kind of government. Let's say let's say it's democratic. Okay,
he's a world leader in a democracy. But things are
not going too well in this democracy. The economy is tanking,
the population is impoverished, unhappy, crime is high, they're threatening riots.

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Political opponents are increasingly averse to spending, especially in foreign interventions.
And since you're a Western leader, if you're Noel Brown,
in this situation, you can't just make people do what
you want, no, you you have to seek guidance from
your people. Right, you can't just go out there and
put an iron fist down. Right. They are in charge

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of you, right, you are. You are the person with
three hundred something million bosses exactly. You know, theoretically these
people vote, and that is how decisions have me they
if least if it's in the US, the Republic of
the U S. So this is not the best comparison. Uh,
then they have the right to kick them out. If

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kick out their elected officials and get some new ones.
So you have to get these people on your side.
But what if circumstances change, Matt, What if Noel Brown
is the president when an attack occurs? Oh, but all
this bad stuff is happening already, it's still there. But

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then an attack occurred. I guess it depends on who
attacked you, right, Yeah, what if a common threat brings
a divided nation together supporting you, Noel Castro Brown. Uh?
You know, and and at the risk of being a
very cold person. This is Marckavellian and and effective. You know,

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it's it's a gift if this occurs. Sure, it's a
terrible thing to happen in the short term, but in
the long term for your goals. If you're that leader,
Noel Brown, then yeah, blessing in disguise, right, and you
can sit around and wait for something like this to happen,
although that would not be very wise. No, what why

(04:47):
not just do it yourself? Hang on there, Matt, Are
we talking about false flag attacks? We're talking about false
flag attacks. That is the nature of a false flag attack.
And uh, we've got a quotation here that we'd like
to open up the show with. Why. Of course, the

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people don't want war, but after all, it's the leaders
of the country who determine the policy. And it's always
a simple matter to drag the people along. Whether it's
a democracy or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament or
a communist dictatorship, voice or no voice, the people can
always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That

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is easy. All you have to do is tell them
that they're being attacked and denounced. The pacifists for lack
of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works
the same in any country. Who said that that was
Herman Goring. Herman Goring, leader in the National Socialist Party
known by most people today as the Nazis. This is

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not a unusual stance. It's just it's just put very
plainly in that quotation. But a false flag ultimately, it's
just a covert operation designed to look as though somebody
else carried it out. And the term goes back a
long time. The actual phrase, at least the story goes

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is that this goes all the way back to the
days of sailing and and uh seaborn empires and yeah,
if you're on the if you're sailing the high season
and you're flying a flag, let's say you're in territory
that's not yours or the country you're in, you fly
a flag of that country. Like, let's say you're a pirate.
Instead of throwing up the old black flag, just throw up,

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I don't know, let's say a British Empire flag. Right,
nobody's gonna mess with you unless they get close enough
to really like inspect your stuff, yes, or they will
let you get much closer than they should. Uh. So
this this concept can still be seen today because ships

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often are required to fly flag, even even in this time,
in this day and age. But uh, it was much
easier during that time too. You know, raise the Spanish flag,
conductor raid leave, change your flag to you know, the
Dutch flag or something. You could be almost anonymous. Just
have a whole stack of different flags down there. And

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the word for studying the study of flags is vexillology.
Now that's a fun word, and it's a weird one,
isn't it. There real life vexillologists, which is which is
how I learned about the various different pirate flags. It's
not all skull and crossbones. It's it's very strange. There
are some elaborate ones, and there are also a lot

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of poorly drawn skulls. I guess the guys were in
a hurry. But but you know, when we're getting sidetracked.
The thing is that ladies and gentlemen listeners there at
home in your car running whatever you're doing, be aware
that this is a real thing. This is not some
there's not some fluke that happened once. This is not

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something that one guy did in you know, ancient Rome
in fact, we have multiple examples of false flag attacks. Yeah,
just just to reiterate what you said, Ben, it's not
something that just the fringes are allowed to talk about, right,
and to understand this is something a lot of times
you'll hear on the fringes of news or media organizations.

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But it's something that I think we can and probably
should talk about more. Sure. Yeah, we we're going to
present some historic proven false flag attacks, and then we're
going to look at some of the alleged false flag attacks,
which that is more of the uh, the murky water
for a lot of people. So the first one we'd

(08:52):
like to talk about is something we we discussed in
the video that we put out on Wednesday of this
week called the Mukton instead it and this is when
Japanese troops created an explosion on a train track in
and they blamed it on China and the whole idea
of this was to justify an invasion of Manchuria and

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um it's also known by the way as the Manchurian incident.
That makes sense, not to be confused with the candidate
no Um. And after a while this went to a
trial in the Tokyo International Military tribunal UH and essentially
a lot several of the people. The perpetrators who carried
out this attack admitted to what they had done and

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it became public record at that point. We also know
that this kind of practice existed on both sides of
World War two Axis and allies alike. UH. During the
Nuremberg trials, UH former SS major who was under orders
from the chief of the Gestapo, he said that he

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and some others faked attacks on UH Germans and on
resource centers so that they could blame it on Poland
and justify an invasion. And then also during the Nuremberg trials,
it was found out that this guy friends Halder, who
was a general UH. He stated that he UH they

(10:23):
set fire to the German parliament building and then also
blame that on somebody else, this time on the Communists.
And speaking of the Communists, did you know that Soviet
leader Joseph Stalin ordered his secret police to execute over
twenty thousand UH Polish army officers and civilians in nineteen

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forty and then blame it on the Nazis. Jeez I
remember this isn't just one side or the other. The
British government has admitted that between um it actually bombed
ships that were attempting to take Jewish people, families and

(11:05):
people to who are trying to escape the Holocaust or
what was occurring at the time, right civilians refugees, Yeah,
trying to take them to Palestine. And so again the
British government admitted that they bombed five ships carrying people
to safety. And they even set up a group called
Defenders of Arab Palestine, which was a pseudo group didn't
actually exist. Once they set that up, they had that

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group claim responsibility for these attacks. And let's go to
Uncle Sam. The CIA openly admits it hired Iranians in
the fifties to pretend to be communists and stage bombings
in Iran in an attempt to turn the country against
its democratically elected prime minister. And of course we know

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that did not work. We also know that in nineteen
fifty seven Dwight D. Eisenhower was working with the British
government to uh or at least they approved a planned
idea Eyes and our approved a plan to carry out
an attack in Syria then blame it on the Syrian
government as a way to you know, like they do

(12:10):
try and make regime change, which you know, that's nineteen
fifty seven. That's uh, I don't know, man. We've been
learning a lot about the U. S. Government's interactions with
regime change in the Middle East lately, right, Yeah, not
just the US. The US is the one that is
most commonly associated with that because they've admitted to it

(12:30):
a couple of times. They got caught a couple of times.
Maybe that's all right, But the United States did not
what the United States was not the original regime changing
power in Coll East. Okay, so we already talked about
Operation Gladio, which we did a video about, and in
Operation Gladio, NATO, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization had secret

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armies that would stay behind and bomb stuff, yeah, bond
stuff for various reasons, but usually to hold back some
kind of invasion from communists or uprising. And we've seen
a lot of other declassified plans or proposals to carry
out some kind of false flag attack, Operation Northwoods being

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the biggest, the most famous, the plan to attack Miami
and then blame it on Cuba. Uh, to justify war
with Cuba. Right, and uh, this this is not the
the first nor the last time these sorts of things
will be suggested. In nineteen sixty one, the Joint Chiefs
of Staff started talking about blowing up a diplomatic building,

(13:40):
an Embassi consulate excuse me, in the Dominican Republic to
justify an invasion. But these plans, fortunately, we're not carried out,
and we you know, we see that that's not the
only plan that was proposed. Yeah, the idea of blaming
an attack on Cuba was kind of pervasive around that
time because we really wanted to get in there and

(14:03):
take back over. So in sixty three there was another
plan to uh stage attacks on Polace like Trinidad and
Tobago or Jamaica and then again blame it on Cuba. Right,
And this wasn't just really restricted to the US and Cuba.
There's the famous Gulf of Tonkin incident, and you can

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go to UM government run websites who will provide a
fairly thorough narrative of what happened. But this reason UM,
this this event in the Gulf of Tonkin was the
reason that the United States became involved fully in the
Vietnam War. But the problem is we didn't happen, it

(14:47):
didn't really happen, not the way that it was stated
at the time, as in something that happened, yeah, and
then it didn't, right. But honestly, like there were the
ideas that they were being um the idea is that
uf U S ship was being fired upon right by
North Vietnamese boats. But again, that didn't happen. And there's

(15:11):
a question about whether this was just something misread in
the fog of war or whether the National Security Agency
purposefully mis old the American public. Che here's one that
I find really interesting, especially with some of the videos
we've done on co Intel pro in general, and on

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the assassination of Martin Luther King and a couple of
other things. In the ninth through the nineteen fifties and
nineteen seventies, a U S Congressional committee admitted that as
part of this co Intel program that we've talked about,
they actually used provocateurs during that time nineteen fifties to
nineteen seventies to carry out violent attacks, could be anything

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really small to something maybe a little larger, and then
blame those attacks on political activists to undermine those movements. Right. Yes,
and this we you know, we see this also occurring
in South Africa during apartheid when a group called the
Civil Cooperation Bureau, which is part of the Defense Force

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at the time, it's asked a couple of experts to
help them discredit the African National Congress by bombing a
cop car and trying to frame the a n C
for it. And we see that, Um, we see that
this happens much more frequently than you might suspect. Right.

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But one big thing here that we also need to
point out is that often when these occur, uh, they're
created by factions within a government, not the entire government.
It's quite possible, for instance, that the um president or
prime minister of a country might not know what's going on,
and they may believe it's a legitimate attack. To absolutely

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because you you'll have someone who is in a high place,
maybe in the military, that just said, look, we need
to get this done. This is hypothetical on my part,
but if you, if you believe strongly, like we said before,
enough in anything, you will do sometimes actions that are
unconscionable to most of us. Right. Yeah, And this brings

(17:26):
us to something that's that's a pretty sticky subject for
a lot of people, which is um, the US going
to Iraq after the attacks on nine eleven. Right. Uh,
this this justification that the w m D or the
the relationship, alleged relationship right between UM, the Saddam regime, right,

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Saddam Hussein's regime and terrorists didn't really pan out. It
was something that UM, either the US was wrong about
or fat actions in the US were purposefully misleading people.
And the question here is often a question of intent.
That's what makes a false flag operation different in comparison

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to just a typical operation, because people can make enormous mistakes, right,
but people can also do enormously immoral things if they
feel like they're working for a higher purpose. So we've
we've got many many more list of possible a list

(18:32):
of proven false flags, right, And the question again being
you know, were these on purpose? Were these accidents? Were
these mistakes? Uh? But let's talk about the alleged examples. Okay, Well,
the first one that everyone would yell at us if
we didn't say it is just the September eleventh attacks

(18:53):
on the World Trade Center of the Pentagon And uh,
where did the plane fall down in Pennsylvania? M m um. Yeah,
So we've heard this a lot. We get some flaks
sometimes for not covering this subject as much as some
people would like to. UM, it's a very sensitive subject

(19:14):
and it's tough for me to even go there. But
there are some fishy things that that are still there.
We've made a whole video called Thirteen Unanswered Questions about
nine eleven, and we'd love for you to check it
out if you have a chance. Uh, you know, I
here's the thing, man, I am very skeptical when I

(19:35):
hear people say, like, you can't talk about this thing
because of an issue of emotions, right in respect, but
I I'm very suspicious when people are treated like there
are certain questions a person is not allowed to ask.
They might be stupid questions, they might be UM easily

(19:58):
easily disproved or debunk, But you can't attack somebody for
asking a question. That's just that's foolish, that's a UM
it's a bullying technique of sorts. So with that, with
that in mind, UM, we would love to hear your
thoughts on weather. I don't know, tell us what you

(20:18):
think about not just nine eleven, but the following. We
also have a vlog that came out this week about
the Oklahoma City bombing, which UM you wanted to cover
because this is also the twenty year anniversary of that event. Yeah,
that was. That's one of those events that I remember

(20:38):
as a kid, not very well, but I remember it
happening and seeing news stories and when my father and
mother watching a lot of that stuff. But I knew
nothing about it at the time, about what was going on,
the circumstances. Over the over the years, I've learned a
little more about it, especially then in two thousand one,
right around the time when I was graduating high school,

(21:00):
that's when McVeigh, Timothy McVeigh was lethally injected killed, And
that's kind of when I started thinking about it. I
wonder how much you've you've thought about it around that
time or since then. M Uh, this this was if
you if you can put yourself back there, ladies and gentlemen,

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if you were alive when this occurred, then you'll know
that this was until uh nine eleven, this was a
tremendous one of the biggest acts of domestic terrorism in
US history, or at least all on US soil. And
we also know that later as in you know, like

(21:43):
what ten years later, two thousand five, two thousand six,
maybe uh evidence emerged that, UM, federal agents were aggressively
trying to, you know, break up possible terrorist attacks, and
in several cases crossed the line um stopping his haterrorist
attack to maybe manufacturing a terrorist. Yeah, to essentially entrap

(22:09):
somebody basically saying, hey, you have these views that are
pretty extreme, Well, what if you had a bomb? What
if I could get you a bomb, you know, as
an undercover agent, Let's teach you how to make it,
put in your hands, drive you to the place. And
so the question that people have about Oklahoma City is
it often revolves around something like that. Was this a

(22:31):
case where someone manufactured in McVeigh you know? Right? Uh?
And there are interesting theories here. There isn't any conclusive
proof at this point. There there are things that Um,
there are definitely some strange things that are have and
let's say, questions that have you have to be answered.

(22:51):
We made a video about it. Uh. One of them
that I found really interesting was the one of the
first responders to the bombing. I and not remember his name,
Terence ki Yeki, Terence Tiki. Yeah. He he was one
of the first responders along with another officer, and he
saved I think four people then ended up falling and

(23:12):
injuring himself. Um. Then I forget how many years later,
but a while down the road he ended up killing himself.
And when they found his body, he had tried to
cut his wrists allegedly and then had ultimately shot himself,
but at an angle that didn't seem to make sense

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for one to kill themselves. Um. People alleged that he
had information about the attack that he wasn't telling, and
that perhaps he was threatening to tell. It's all allegations,
and people on the other side of the argument that
I believe that he just commits suicide say that he
was having very difficult marital problems, and which he was.

(23:57):
And again this is you know, as as you said,
a lot of this is allegation and speculation. But this
this exploration that we're talking about Oklahoma City. You can
you can watch our videos. You can hear much more
about it, um, with a little digging, because there are
more facts that come to light. The one person you
will not hear from is Terry Nichols because Terry Nichols

(24:21):
is apparently not allowed to communicate with anyone. He is
currently serving a life sentence. I think I don't know
if he got the death penalty, but he's serving a
life sentence and his idea was that or his story
side of the stories that he was helping McVeigh make
a bomb and take it to a truck, but he

(24:41):
didn't know what was going to happen. And he he
wants to give testimony, but he's unable to do so currently,
right and and there's not really a question about whether
McVeigh did it. He did it. He it's conclusive that
he did it. The questions people are asking, or the
questions that you were asking, were um the extent if

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any of other parties involvement. We we also know that
in a Rock there was well we talked about that
a little bit, the idea of weapons of mass destruction,
which is not not really a false flag so much
as it is either a mistake or misdirection. Sure, but
we do know that these things exist. We know that, Uh,

(25:26):
this is a way to learn more about what's called
the deep state, which is the unelected, the unelected officials
like I think high level military, think, high level agency
people who don't have to, you know, run for a
district to get voted back in every four years or

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so instead they have a much longer potential ability to
plan right powerful offices and a let's say long your
further vision for what they can achieve while they're in
their office right right, which is not which is not
necessarily a bad thing, because let's let's remember that there

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are unelected officials at the Army Corps of Engineers, you know,
and they are able to leverage this disability to plan
for things that are ten or twenty years down the road.
It's just that this, this power that an unelected position
can transfer is uh is dangerous, and it goes both ways.

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That's an excellent pointment. Hey, thank you, Matt. Uh. We
would like to hear from you what you think. Uh.
Do you believe that there are uh some false flag
attacks that we should have mentioned, and if so, what
are they? Do you think that people are exaggerating actual
events by claiming that there's a conspiracy of foot where

(26:54):
none exists. You can find us on Facebook and Twitter
to tell us about it, and you can also email us.
But just so you know that how important listener mail
is to us, why don't we read a couple today?
Sounds great? This is a message that comes from Katie.
She says hello, gents, just finished listening to your podcast

(27:16):
on big data, and I'm here to tell you that
there is hope. Well, yes, the big data you see
every day does generate the targeted advertising that is all
around us. One of the biggest, yet least discussed uses
is in healthcare. I work in predicative and analytics in
the healthcare field, where we use big data to help
predict and prevent catastrophic health events. Most of this is

(27:38):
driven by clinical data used during taken during every doctor's appointment.
And yes, your doctor is definitely selling your data, but
we're moving into the future where you're buying. Eating and
movement habits may help us even more accurately predict things
like heart attacks and stroke. We also can predict how
effective treatment is, especially in behavior real diseases such as

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type two diabetes, based on the information your cell phone
knows about you. That's crazy, are accurate, It's hard to
say when the results are an event not occurring negative observation.
But if people get to live better lives, then does
it really matter. Don't get me wrong, it's creepy as beep,
but I I'd like to think that we're really helping

(28:22):
people that's a cool perspective. That's a really cool perspective. Kay,
that's not something that we had thought about before, at
least that I had thought about before. I've heard of
it using uh this information to see into your health future.
It's still is creepy, like she says, but I don't know,

(28:42):
what do you think, Ben, I mean, if it could
save somebody's life, It could save somebody's life. And I
was really glad to read this to see more of
a positive look at the data. And we'd like to
we'd like to hear more of that too. We have
another letter and thank you for writing to as Katie.
We really enjoy that perspective. We have another letter from
Adam at Tonbridge Wells. Adam says, first, great work you do.

(29:08):
Have been listening to you for under a year now.
Always look forward to your next topic. Thanks Adam. One
thing I was expecting you to discuss and forgive me
if you did on the Big Data podcast was the
police in the US who can predict where crime is
likely to be due to masses of data that was
put it that was put into this system to set
the thing up. The police on patrol are told which

(29:28):
areas to go at any one time. Uh, this is
a specific police department he's talking about, and I had
not I had not heard of this. But what's exciting
is that it is possible. You know, there is enough
there is enough data depending on the city, to predict
where things are most likely going to go down. You know,

(29:49):
it's interesting the time of day, what crime right the neighborhood,
Like where do break INDs occur? When do they occur? Uh,
So we're gonna dig in a little bit deeper and
look at that as well. Adam, thanks so much for writing, Katie,
Thanks so much for writing Adam. We hope that you,
as well as the rest of the listeners enjoyed our
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