October 12, 2021 • 54 mins
The news about the so-called "EM Drive" was all over the headlines in 2015... but was it true? Join Matt and Ben to learn more in this classic episode.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Space the Final Frontier. Well, I don't want to get
a suit, but oh I got so excited get out
of you and that nobody owns this Final Frontier space. Yeah,
I've been really getting into Star Chreck. Clearly excellent show,
really awesome human interpersonal relationship issues in a very amazing
fun way. Which one though, all of them, all of them,
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all of them? Oh well, they all have one thing
in common, the importance of the warp drive. So they
get around space. It's how they boldly go to places, etcetera.
I seriously don't want to get a suit and I
love that show. But what if there was a real
warp drive? A number of years ago we dug into
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this concept because something had hit the news, something called
an e M drive. You guys remember that, I do
a little bit. But it's been a while since we've
recorded this, I think six years maybe. Um, So, you
know what, I don't want to spoil anything and I
don't remember. Uh so let's jump right in. What do
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you say? From UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups?
History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, Welcome,
back to the show. My name is Matt. I am
Ben and we are here with our super producer Noel
(01:34):
a k A. Ghost Walker Brown a k A. Warp
level nine a k A. What else? Why not warp
level ten as well? I mean that's dangerous, that's like
super saying Noel Brown. Yes, it's true. And uh Before
we get started today, we want to thank those of
you who wrote in with some some fantastic feedback regarding
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our earlier episode on Jade Helm. Oh. Yes, thank you
for writing in. We got several interesting different perspectives that
were apart from our own perspectives on this and uh, man,
it's it's great to read your opinions and even these
your little insights. Especially. We had someone who is a
former soldier who wrote in. Yeah. We had several on
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YouTube as well, some Facebook messages and tweets. We had
some people who live in the areas, yes, right, and
we had some updates, and we had you know, it's
interesting because we had several people who are saying, I
can assure you with absolute certainty that nothing at all
is going down. It's just sensationalism, which we asked about.
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And then we had several people right in and say
I can assure you with absolute certainty that something is happening. Yeah,
And I think that that's kind of the space in
which we live. There's a lot of certainty out there,
but but not there's not a lot of evidence A
lot of times behind those either side of those statements, right, Yeah. Often, Uh,
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certainty is like an opinion or a well this is
a family show, but you know what I mean. Uh.
So we we just wanted to h we just wanted
to thank everybody for checking that out. If you have
not seen or listen to our recent episodes on military
exercises and the one started in July here in the
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US called jade Helm fifteen, then please do please do
avail yourself of it, check it out, let us know
what you think. Uh, today we are talking about something
completely different because you know, as we said, spoiler alert. Uh,
Matt and Noel and I have a few irons in
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the fire. We've got some schemes cooking, and as a result,
we have been checking out some of our classic episodes,
moving them to a new channel. And this week we
did something that I really enjoyed at the time. Um,
and I I still am fascinated by it, Yes, alaptic energy,
the horonymous machine. Yeah, man, it's it's a cool idea.
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And anytime we talk about free energy or somehow harnessing
energy that just exists in this Star Wars medic glarean
world that we live in apparently like radionics or gone.
I won't add Thetan's because technically, against spoiler alert, they
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are ghosts, yes, spirits. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're alien ghosts. Yes,
And well you know, perhaps one day we'll learn how
to harness them without because I man, I can't right
be able to harness the Thetan's inside each other. That's
(04:52):
that's interesting. Well, uh, now that now that we have
once again flirted with Litiga aation by the Church of
Scientology at least one time, it's in our contracts, let's
go ahead and just like a quick recap of what
this all optic energy is. He said, it's sort of
an ambient thing. It's supposed to be all around us,
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and it can be focused through these devices, these hieronymous machines,
devices named after the guy who invented them, quote unquote T.
Galen Hronymous exactly fascinating character and interesting story. He was
a he was idolized by a sci fi editor at
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the time back you know, fifties, forties, sixties, and uh,
he did a somewhere in there match, and this guy
Campbell took it a step further and said, not only
do these machines work, but because it's harnessing this unknown
power and listeners, I'm like pointing to my forehead like
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a crazy person. Now I assume it's Uh. Campbell assumed
it was a psionic power of some sort of psychic ability.
And so Campbell argued that you didn't have to build
the device. You could just draw the schematic of the
diagram right and it would have the same effect. And
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you could place things objects in certain areas of this
diagram on a piece of paper that you've drawn it out,
and you could somehow harnessed through that object like a
memory or a There are all kinds of things you
could do with this device with a piece of paper
and the diagram. And you know, with your your mind,
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that's all your minds being being your own thing or
being the primary mover the engine here. Uh. Horonymous himself
objected to this, and and although he thought Campbell's heart
was in the right place, his intentions were good, YadA
YadA YadA. Uh. He believed that this guy had accidentally
set back this science of radionics by a century or
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more because the way that he built these devices is
you would take a substance of some sort of sample,
and you would put it in this little tray or
receiving area, and then you would be able to um,
be able to affect that by modifying or or I
guess harvesting, collecting, and and focusing this uh radionic energy,
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which is not proven, certainly not proven. Yeah, I don't
think it is out of the realm of possibilities, especially
you know, as we're starting to tackle what we're going
to tackle this episode, right, Yeah, there might be something there, um,
But you know, for now we we in no way
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can prove this and nobody can I understand. And you know,
it is quite possible that we have yet to encounter
all forms of energy affecting the reality in which we live.
You know, it would be tremendously arrogant to say that
we have figured it all out. You know, we are
still in what future historians would likely call the dark Ages.
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But but point being, like Horonymous, one interesting thing I
can't remember from made into the video, which you sure
watch if you haven't launched it yet. Uh, it's uh,
there's there's this quote he has that we mentioned earlier.
He's talking about setting back the science a hundred years
or something. He says that this is the thing though, Matt.
He says that those diagrams worked when Campbell did them.
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They actually were horotomous machines because the guy used India Inc.
Which Horonomous said was conductive. I know, I can hear
the more skeptical people in our in our audience now
just as their eyebrows raise and their eyes roll. One
of them made it into the studio. Huh, but do
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check it out. And this got us thinking. This concept
of a optic energy got us thinking to something that
you and I have looked at several times before, like
free energy, or suppression of energy, or um or excuse me,
suppression of technology, alternative energy, zero point energy. All these
different propositions that we here get lauded and vilified and
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uh mostly most often just not accepted by mainstream science. Today,
we're going to talk about the newest version of that.
But before we get there, we have to ask a question.
I have to ask you a question, and it's it's
actually one of our our boss, our boss's favorite questions.
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Uh so, our boss is a guy named Jason. He's
our ccio. And one of the questions you like to
ask people is what's your favorite Star Wars or Star
Trek or do you have one? I think I've addressed
this before on this show maybe, and it is Star Trek. However,
I did just get back from the Star Wars convention
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and I was starting to turn a little bit star
Star Wars, starting to turn towards Star Wars, just because
when you're around that kind of fandom, I think it's
it's a bit infectious. Um, and especially when you're with
someone like Holly Fry, who is one of the one
of the she's an editor here I believe, and the
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host of stuff you miss in history class. She was
with us and she is such an avid fan that
I was, man, I was getting pulled that direction. But
for me, the science of Star Trek, the it's a
bit I would say a little harder on the science,
and that it it sticks a little bit closer to
the known physics, although it does extrapolate a whole bunch
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to get things like the warp drive. Yes, um, but
it's you know, it's it's trying to be as in
line with it as possible. And also the social sciences
aspect of Star Trek I think is stronger. Ah yeah,
the the post industrial society is in the argument in
the there's a mysticism of course, the Star Wars right,
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oh yeah, and and a lot I think I I
have not I have not made a call on either
of those. Well, that's probably a smart idea because let's
just wait until what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get
so much hate for saying that. And I'm sorry Star
Wars fans. I do love Star Wars. It's just not
the same. I love you Star Wars, but I'm in
love with Star Trek. That's exactly right, all right, But
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nail on the head here, man, because if we're talking
about Star Trek, we're talking about the warp drive in here,
and and what like, what is a warp drive. Well,
it's a it's an engine for a spacecraft that would
allow the travel, allow the craft and the inhabitants everything
inside it to travel faster than light, so everyone in
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the rest of the world. It's two million, seven thousand,
four hundred and fifty eight meters per second. Yeah, that
seems that seems like it might be dangerous for the
whole of a ship. I'm just saying, well, sure, I mean,
it's it's tough, and it's a theoretical engine, but it
was it's cantalized humanity since we solidified the underlying laws
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of physics, and that's that's part of the problem with
the warp drive, right. Yeah, it's something that we've it's
a dream that we've had since then, right, and the
the thought of being able to achieve that, um man.
I think it's driven a lot of people in the
field right now, in the fields of physics, like the
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that kind of dream. Yeah. And even before we really
had codified what would become the laws of modern physics
as we understand them today, in UH, there were numerous
people who were, you know, building religions based off stuff
seeing in the heavens, writing stories about going there, staring
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into the sky, inventing UH different means of trying to
discern what was happening in our nearest celestial neighbors. But
the way we get there, as always or often has
UH in almost every single case, alluded us except for
or at least, and we're talking about manned exploration here.
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That's that's one of the big deals. But the laws
of physics have been around for a long time. Philosophers
knew about these, other people explored them due to these slow,
steady grind of history. Uh, we don't we you know,
we can't say with certitude who actually discovered these things first,
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because maybe a record of them doesn't remain sure. But
what we can say is that the credit for the
codification of like the laws of motion goes to a
guy named Isaac Newton, for three laws he created. That's right,
the three laws. So the first one that hopefully you
remember these from school, guys, I vaguely do. Um. The
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first law is that every object object will remain at
rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless
it is compelled to change it's state by the actions
of some internal force. So it's gonna keep going where
it's going or staying where it's staying unless something else
comes in and knocks it. Um. The second law concerns
how the velocity of an object changes when it's subjected
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to an external force, so it slows down, speeds up,
these kind of things. And the third law, This is
probably the most famous law, is that for every action,
there is an equal and opposite reaction. And that's you know,
the idea of when a ball hits another ball that
have roughly the same mass, you're gonna see the ball
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that gets hit move in the opposite direction that the
ball of which hit it. Yes, right, exactly. And I
think he's these laws so far have not been disproven, right, No,
not yet, not yet, And it's okay to say, it's
okay to add not yet on there, because we could
also add probably never will be disproving. But I think
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I think it's best to hedge our bets and say
they haven't been disproven yet as far as we know,
at least on Earth. We're like, we're pretty sure that's
those are the rules. But we are faced with again
the relative impossibility of a warp drive. At least the
appearance of impossibility pales in comparison to the benefit that
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this kind of technology could give us. I mean, imagine, okay,
if for the Star Trek fans out there and for
the Star Wars fans, just imagine every time you saw
one of those long pans of the inky black and
and the tiny pinpricks of stars. Right. Uh. This illustration
of the sheer possibly unknowable size of the universe, uh,
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not to mention the space in between heavenly objects, means
that human beings cannot travel to another star within a
person's lifetime, not with their current technology. Right. Yeah, and
if you think about it, we're still, let's be a
little cross about it, we're still like taking the liquefied
remains of dinosaurs and making them explode to power space travel. Yeah,
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if oil is actually made out of dinosaurs, bend well,
the majority of oil is not made out of dinosaurs,
as you know. No, but that's a that's a crazy point.
That's that's the way we are still getting out of
our atmosphere. Yeah, into uh near or near Earth orbit,
uh to the Moon, or or sending even um rovers
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into you know, two Mars. Right. So this gives us
a few options then for any uh any intrepid human
beings or human groups wishing to travel beyond the stars
because they got swept up in that Carl Sagan speech. Right, Well, okay,
so I've got the first option. I don't know if
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it's really an option. I guess it is an option.
Just give up, just give up, just just say put
it down, just you know, go back watch an episode
of Daredevil and that's it. Well now, or fixed problems
that exist on Earth. Oh now, that's interesting. So it's
not it's maybe it's maybe it's a reprior prioritization. That's
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an interesting idea. Um. I think it's probably a bad one.
But that's okay. What else can we do? Oh, this
is exciting. We could try to build gargantuan, gigantic arcs
uh and put a little piece of Earth in their
human beings, animals, plants have a biome that's slowly crawling
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through the ink towards some alien destination over millions of years,
while entire civilizations and species rise and fall like a
starship Earth kind of thing, like a little miniature version. Yeah,
do you do you when you envision this, do you
envision a spherical thing? Or do you envision like a
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enterprise type thing that it's got all the like it
looks like a ship, it's just got the interior of Earth.
I envisioned an inevitable breakdown. Oh sorry, I don't think Yeah,
I don't. I don't think we could do it. I'm
pretty skeptical. Maybe it's just a science fiction but there
there's so many problems that we have not thought of,
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Like what happens to a what happens to a woman
who has has a child? Right, conceives a child and
then bears it to term in space and repeat that over?
How many generations are you speaking of an evolution of
what a human would become in that kind of environment. Well,
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you know, over over that span of time, it might
be likely that certain traits would select for evolution. And
I guess it also depends on how many people are there,
what kind of gene pool are we talking about? But
I was I was just talking about the ability to
survive and reproduce successfully, because what happens for the first
generation of children growing up in space will there uh?
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Will their limbs their limbs right, will probably not be
as developed unless there some sort of continually functioning gravity, right, uh?
And who knows if they'll be able to reproduce. Oh man,
So that's that's one way, clearly not perfect, clearly not perfect.
All right, Well, is there any other thing we could do? Well?
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Here is? Here is I think our best and closest option.
What's that? Just let's devise different way to travel through space, right,
and also also a different way to get to space
or you know, to outer space to escape Earth's gravity. So, so,
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what's all this that we've been hearing for the past
what year three about people discovering a new kind of
warp drive. Well, you know, we've talked about the some
of the possibilities of a plasma engine. There have been
a lot of stories that you'll find on online about
different ideas for how to propel a ship once you're
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once you're in space. And that's where this most recent
one comes in, the m drive. And uh, this thing
is fascinating in the least it's a prototype rocket, is it?
You know? Is it the real life warp drive? Maybe,
at least that's the way it's being described. It's this
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gentleman named Roger Shawyer or Sawyer. And here's the thing.
He claims his engine generates thrust by bouncing microwaves around
inside this enclosed metal funnel. And since there's no mass
or energy emerging from the engine, he claims that this
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thing can propel itself just through that, just through bouncing
microwaves around inside this thing. And and if that's true,
this would violate Uh, some fundamental laws of physics. Yeah,
specifically the third one. Uh, kind of Isaac Newton's breakout
single on his pp of the Laws of Motion, which
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was the the third law about action and reaction. According
to a gentleman named Brian Coberlin cobra Line, who is
an astrophysicist at interview by space dot com, Uh, that
that's one of the primary problems with this. It's what Shaw,
you're the scientific Shuyres saying, is that he is creating
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propulsion without a propellant, a car without gas. Right, Yes,
there's there would still be energy expended, right because you
if you wanted to shoot microwaves into a thing, you're
gonna have the power whatever is firing the microwaves. Sure, yeah,
and that, but they're saying that the thrust they're getting
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when none exists should be there and there's nothing, there's
not a reaction to the action. I guess. So people
have attempted several tests of this device, and um, listeners,
you've probably heard the headlines or read something about NASA
testing it, right, Yeah, well, well kind of NASA, I
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guess kind of tested it. Because we know NASA is
a massive organization all kinds of different moving parts, different
parts of NASA UM all these departments. But one of
the departments is this tinyal outfit called Eagle Works. And uh,
the staff is about five scientists who tests all kinds
of unorthodox pieces of technology propulsion methods. It's headed up
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by Dr Harold sunny White. Yep. And this group published
a paper with this drop dead sexy title. Here it goes,
anomalous thrust production from an RF test device measured on
a low thrust torsion pendulum. Is he getting hot in here? So? Anyway,
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this was back in and it was detailing experiments that
were conducted over a series of eight days in August
of Now here's the question, what's the anomaly that's occurring here? Well,
according to the reports these engines, by the way, there
are more than one. There's more than one m drive. Uh,
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they appear to work on some small level. So under
testing they generate it anywhere from fifty to seventy micronewtons
of I guess energy. As Professor Ethan Stiegel notes, this
is less than the weight of a snowflake, which doesn't
seem very substantial to me. A guy sitting in a
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room in Atlanta, Georgia that doesn't know much at all
about physics. You will also hear. You'll also hear that
in these tests, uh, fifty to seventy micro newtons is
small enough that it might not clear the rate of
error in measuring it. Uh. So well, here's the here's
the thing though, even if it is that minuscule, perhaps
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it is just an error in testing. But if it's not,
they seem to be getting this energy from nothing, no fuel. Right.
It's an idea that will send quite a few physicists
into a livid huff every time you hear it. This
is not the first time someone in and it and
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M drive or something. In China, female scientists name while
one young I believe I am mispronouncing that, and I
am sorry. Dr uh. She led a team of folks
and claimed they had done it in two thousand and twelve. Uh.
And then they were if you look at their papers,
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it's pretty technical. But they also they were also measuring
temperature as well. Um. And then a guy named Guido
Feda claims to have invented one too. He called it
they can Kenna drive. And this is the one that
NASA Eagle Works tested. There's a difficulty here because the
groups did not receive the same consistent results, and they
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don't agree why it's happening, and no one knows what's happening.
And a lot of people, uh, a lot of a
lot of people are coming out of the woodwork to say,
you know, this is utter bunk um and and and
it's strange sometimes because again when one has to be
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rigorous when measuring these sorts of things and have a
decent methodology, but you also find like a lot of
character attacks where people are people are saying, people are
making the assumption that someone is automatically misleading the public,
which I think is um. I think it's it's um funny,
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but I don't think it's professional. Absolutely. It's that same
thing that happens when let's say the bones of physics
are being challenged, right, because everyone in that field knows
physics and they know that this is the law and
this is how it works. And when someone comes along
and says, well, perhaps that's not how it works, right,
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that's very dangerous, uh to most of the establishment, I
would say, um. But the great thing about science is
that they there's an understanding that change must occur or
at least some If new information comes in that is valid,
then the whole system can integrate that, right. Yeah, yeah,
and that that's a great point. And the more extraordinary
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claim is the more extraordinary the evidence should be supporting it.
That's what a lot of people that That's what a
a lot of people would argue. Right. So then for
something like this been it would need a lot of
money to be basically injected in so that there could
be vigorous testing of some device like this to the
point where you could either outright prove that this is
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happening or not. But it seems as though, I mean
it's kind of on the fringe, this little small group
of NASA that's being tested that's testing it, sure, because
you don't want to spend a whole lot of money
on something that is probably nothing. Right. Well, there, let's
keep in mind that NASA Eagle works. Their task is
to investigate these things that have enormous risk in terms
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of costs and waste of money. And potentially they're kind
of they're playing a lottery in R and D lottery
because potentially there there could be some huge benefit. But
let's go ahead and move to some pros and cons
about this, So we said, the skeptics have some massive
problems with this. What are some of the cons Well,
the first one is fairly obvious. Why are the results
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of testing these M drives consistent? If they if you're
using a technology that is emerging like this, and you
have you could lock down the variables, then you should
get the same results every time, or very similar results. Uh. Yeah.
And then we also know that they were saying, of course,
are the biases of the scientists skewing the test? Uh?
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You can read a piece on Forbes about the M
drive by a seagull, I think, the guy we mentioned earlier,
and in that you can tell it reads as though Seagull,
this professor seagull has just had it up to an
over year and down the street and up the road
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with with this thing, because it sounds like an angry
person on this um. And he makes some he makes
some very valid points too. He says, why aren't they
the same results? How do we know that something else
didn't come in? But he also said, uh, the guy
in charge of NASA Eagle Works is no, isn't I
think the phrase he uses is notorious for his support
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of unorthodox ideas that's great, that's exactly what that group needs.
Oh and here's another thing we should at least think about,
is it is it a possibility that these tests were
somehow compromised? Right? Yeah, yeah, we're because what what we
mean when we say compromises was there some sort of
intervening variable that was not found otherwise Like the first
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test that NASA Eagle Works did with feta's engine, I
believe they they tested it, but they didn't test it
in a vacuum. So people respond on it by saying, well,
of course it appears like something's happening. It was somehow
receiving some input from the surrounding environment. So they responded
by testing it in a vacuum. But NASA, who I
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feel bad for man because you know, NASA has to
dodge these overly hype science journalists, I'm sure constantly yes,
with the BuzzFeed titles, right right, NASA reporters hate this shuttle.
Find out why? Yeah, they were. They were quick to say, like,
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this organization is not researching a warp drive, because that
was the headline, right, But that that's not the only
other con. There's a there's another big con. Right, Well, yeah,
this this wouldn't in no way be a warp drive. Um,
it might get people, you know, to the Moon in
a few hours of it worked, let's say, but you're
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not going to reach the kind of speeds that you
would need to go warp speed or faster than the
speed of light. Right. Um, yeah, that that's not gonna happen.
You won't be able to get to Pluto, let's say,
just to go out and argue at it that it's
it is or is not a planet, and then get back,
you know, the same day. Yeah, and this this has
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been it's got to be disappointing to a lot of people.
Should read this headline about warp drive, But it's not.
It wouldn't be warp drive the way that Star Trek
is warp drive. You're not You're not going to some
infinite velocity. And at this point, even if humanity did
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possess some kind of engine or thing that was capable
of this sort of propulsion, we do not have the
material science to build anything that could withstand it. How
do you how do you move anything else with that drive?
How does the drive even go that fast? Now we
would just be shooting an engine by itself into space.
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And maybe it can't. Maybe we find it from an
alien civilization, and maybe they couldn't build anything that could
use this as an engine. So maybe, uh, the entire
story of civilization in this galaxy is people shooting around
this engine because everything we build around it falls apart.
Guess what, Well, I think it's time to write a
short story. That's a pretty good idea, isn't it. Yeah, well,
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we'll see, we'll see if it works out and watch.
But there are pros. I know it sounds very negative
right now, but there are pros. Uh, there may well
be something occurring here because these three groups testing the
same pretty much the same device have found something, right,
or they say they found something. There appears to be
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something And perhaps we don't use this device exactly how
it's built now perhaps uh, you know, like we said,
perhaps it's nothing and we can just throw it in
the trash and forget about it. The other people inventing
it can move on to something else. But if there
is something there, we could use that as a starting point.
Right And this, this concept of people accidentally discovering a
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warp drive sounds sounds pretty cool, right, But what I
think we would end up looking at is uh finding
a small I don't know, a little discrepancy, a glitch
in the matrix. That's how a lot of big things start. Right.
We see that waters tends to bend light. We see
these tiny things in the world around us, and if
(33:31):
we can just obsess over them enough and ask the
right questions, then eventually we can arrive um at amazing realizations.
And and there's there's something inspiring in that. But let's
be honest, and I know our family show, but let's
be honest, that's a huge pain in the ass. Yeah,
it's a lot of time, and it's a lot of money,
and we'd like to know what you guys think about it.
(33:53):
If you'd like to hear some more technical information about this,
then we are have good news for you because our
friends over at Forward Thinking, UM, all three of whom
have made an appearance on our show at some point
or another. That is true. Yeah, so the same the
(34:16):
same crew, Joe, Jonathan and Lauren Uh. They have an
episode on the M Drive right now that you can
go check out as well. UM, we hope you enjoy it.
We have some other stuff like we talked about and
sloptic energy and radionics and we talked a little bit
(34:36):
about jade Helm. But before we go, we would like
to do a little bit of listener mail. Our first
message comes from Marty and he says, Hi, Matt and Ben,
have you ever done a show on televisions and other
equipment in our homes and their ability to spy on us?
(35:00):
I think I've watched most of your shows and I
don't remember one on that. Please forgive me if I
missed it. Oh, sir, You're forgiven either way. Do not.
You do not need forgiveness from us for any reason,
but please watch the rest of our videos. Okay, So,
as I'm typing this, I'm also wondering about the newer
vehicles and their surveillance abilities. Oh, he's putting stuff together,
(35:22):
Martina's or is that the stuff they don't want us
to know. We all know that our phone and emails
and texts are being watched by the powers that run
our lives and dictate what we can or cannot do
or have, all for the security of the corporation we
live in. Or maybe it's just for the security of
the elite that runs the corporation we live in. Yeah,
that sounds more like it. I like this Marty guy,
(35:43):
he's interesting. Uh anyway, just something to think about. Keep
up the good work as long as the powers that
be allow you to do so well. So uh, you know, Marty,
I I think that's a very good point because this
is something that we've talked about for and Matt. You know,
this is a huge there's a huge soap oox for me.
(36:05):
What what do you have? I don't want to well,
I will just say that I have not upgraded my
television for a long time since since smart TVs have
been around. I've got tape on my front facing camera
on my phone. Um, I'm terrified about my vehicle being
made in two thousand four, which is I think right
(36:27):
around the the pass the cutoff date for when your
car can be hacked easily. Um. So yeah, I live.
I live in this guy's world. I understand what Marty's saying, Like,
it's it's scary how much surveillance occurs on each human
being at all times. You're the good news is your
car can your car specifically that I think could only
(36:49):
really be hacked if someone had direct access to the ECU.
They'd have to plug in. Yes, it's in that weird
middle ground. Yeah, with the e C you can be hacked.
But yeah you can't like the new Mercedes, you couldn't
somehow remotely get into the computer. I hope. Um, wait
till check out the stuff at def Con. Right, that's
(37:11):
usually find that out. And we've done some episodes on
hacking here at how stuff works in general. We've done
some episodes on car hacking. Here is the here. Here's
why this is such a great and frightening point, Marty,
because the you'll remember, maybe I don't know how old
(37:33):
or young you are, but you you probably remember how
for years people would say this is paranoia. Who could
possibly be that important that we would do that? And
that makes a little bit more sense before the age,
before the computer age, honestly, because back during for instance,
back during uh the civil rights era, right when people
(37:57):
agitating for equal rights as human beings in the US
were doggedly pursued with wire tapping and with letter tampering
and things like that. That took concerted physical effort. But
what happened to you to be in the room next
to the person having a meeting and literally tapped through
(38:18):
the wall. Right, Yeah, you had to find agent, You
had to have feet on the ground, and even if
you were in the headquarters, you were still like mailing
people stuff and making making phone calls on landline phones.
What what I'm saying here is that we encountered a
gift and accursive sorts as a as a species in
(38:40):
the AGA, in the computer age, the cost of information,
and let's measure that by the money it takes you
to send a message somewhere or the time it takes
for that message to travel. Both of those reduced. Is
now it is now cheaper to talk to anyone than
it has ever been for and maybe ever will be again.
(39:02):
But with that means it's cheaper too. It's easier to
maybe that'd be a better word. It's easier to collect
more stuff. You don't have to wait and intercept physical mail.
You just have to have a shunt in a room,
in a cell phone or an I s P provider, right,
and that and that shunt goes directly to a collection
(39:22):
warehouse somewhere, And it's just hoarding that people might not
ever look at information hoarders. Yeah, I would love to
see there's like one episode and then we would get canceled.
But but this this thing is it's not as it's
not as crazy as so many people one wanted it
to sound. And and Marty, you might I think you
(39:43):
might enjoy how many of the people who said this was,
you know, some bizarro dystopian fantasy now have all of
a sudden switched so quickly to say, oh, yeah, well
everybody knew that. Yeah, you when you were the ones
saying it was crazy. But that's just you know, that's
a cognitive dissonance, right. Sure, people are very good, uh,
(40:06):
people are very good curators of their memories, especially at
the times when they they wish they had done something different.
But but we see this happening in video game consoles.
And I think it's an excellent question about cars because
the monitoring for cars is going to increase at a
(40:27):
faster pace than many other things, partly because it's going
to catch up to current technology, and partially because there
is a the push toward autonomous cars means they're gonna
leap frog over a lot of earlier surveillance technology. Um,
partially for insurance purposes, a lot of it. Did you
(40:47):
see that article, um, Marty, maybe you saw to the
there's an article about Google's driverless cars and a number
of accidents that they've been involved in. Was that three?
It was eleven? I think oh to one point seven
million miles traveled, and I don't I don't know if
I'm completely correct, but I leave I believe that one
(41:07):
million of those miles approximately were done completely driverless, and
I think seven of the accidents happened during that time.
But it never ever was it the autonomous cars fault.
There was a person. There's always like another driver on
the road where I know at least three times it
was the laws that in states that allow for autonomous
(41:30):
testing like this, they just to be clear, they do
still have to have a driver engineer in the car
sitting in driver's seat. They're just not driving ideally. And
I guess seven times they tried. No, I'm I am kidding.
I hope everybody's fine, but but yeah, you're right, Marty,
And I've got a question for you. We'd like to
hear back from you on this. Uh do you think
(41:52):
that will be eventually illegal to drive a car manually?
And if so when? Wow? Will it ever be illegal
to have the camera on whatever device you're working on,
like your computer or your television taped over it turned
off whatever be illegal to not have it on. Will
you get fined if you close your eyes? Right? Black
(42:14):
mirror reference? All right, we'll do one more letter because
I apparently had to go on a monologue. All right,
So Jimmy from l A writes to us and says, hey,
Ben and Matt, thanks for the outstanding work. Let's address
Jade Helm fifteen. As a former soldier, joint operation training
was common, usually conducted every six months. The reason for
(42:34):
the training was to get multiple units to communicate a
maneuver effectively during tactical operations. When I was overseas in
the early days of Operation Rocky Freedom, I witnessed units
accidentally shoot each other and moved to unfortified positions under
the command of brigade commanders. The results were disastrous by
the loss of American and I Rocky lives. The training
(42:55):
was supposed to quell officers egos and get them to
work in unison. Many officers, lieutenant colonels and colonels were
jocking for general's promotion. The orders from these promotion crazed
officers was getting many soldiers killed by aggressive operations and
lack of cooperative playing between the units in the quest
for advancing their resumes. The paranoia, in my opinion, and
(43:19):
he's talking about about Jade Helm here was caused by
the Texas governor giving validation to the right wing conspiracy
theoristic accusations and the dispatch of the National Guard a
waste of taxpayer money. Again, thanks for the show, Keep
up the good work. Best regards, Jimmy from l A.
And he has a PS question too. He says, is
the new format for the new year, uh to make
(43:40):
less traditional videos, more logs and podcasts. Oh okay, Well,
so that's really interesting to get that insight. And like
we were saying at the top of the show, we
were getting all kinds of insights from different, uh, different perspectives. Um.
That is something I've never thought about before. The internal Um. Yeah,
(44:05):
the competition amongst military members. M hmm. You know, I
I completely get this too. We know that there is
a huge necessity for these kinds of things, but I
don't know if a lot of people think about what
would happen if you just had a poorly trained military
just dropped off in some place, given a tank, given
(44:29):
some more armored vehicles. In this city, we've seen some
examples of that with different groups Um, I don't. I
don't know what you would label them, either label them
insurgents or freedom fighters depending on which side drawn. But
small small armies that are made up of people who
are just fighting in let's say their hometown and their
(44:50):
home state, UM, like in everywhere, like all over the
we've been seeing it more and more. Unfortunately, UM, we're
or you just have people with weaponry that perhaps are
not trained with that weaponry and we'll see accidents or
you know, an RPG goes off in the friendly fire,
or have we just been hearing more about it? Um?
(45:13):
And also Jimmy, I I am on the same page
with you at least about the cause of the paranoia
regarding jade Helm. Again, I don't know what's going to happen,
Like I don't know what kind of exercises are going
to be conducted and what the effect is going to
be on the local population right when if you drive
(45:34):
somewhere and the roads are closed or something. But I
do see, I do see point here to respond to
with the Texas National Guard. That's what That's what Jimmy's
mentioning in his letter. If you guys recall in our
videos in our audio about Jade Helm. We talked about
the the relative autonomy of the Texas military forces, right
(45:58):
and the national card being called in made some people
feel that the state level governance of Texas did not
trust the federal level governance of the US. But then
I think there was somebody who it was either on
YouTube or email it also written in and said, well,
(46:18):
this is part of a normal reserve operation. They're they're
mobilized to be on reserve the same way they would
be if something was actually going down. So I'm I'm
not sure which, I'm not sure which it is, but
I'd love to hear from some listeners on that. And
that I've got to toss the question to you regarding
the uh question about less traditional videos, more vlogs, et cetera. Okay, Yeah,
(46:44):
so our show has been evolving ever since it's come out.
It's very different from our first CFR episode anything. It's
always a work in progress. Oh yeah, sure, and and
we're trying to make improvements. That's really what we're doing.
We're listening to feedback, We're kind of seeing what works
and what does in our on our end, and you know,
I think we're coming up with a a better version
(47:07):
of our show right now. Yeah, we're also we've we've
still got the not just the classic episodes, but we've
been looking at case by case basis stuff too, Like
there's some stuff that where the story is better told
to the old format. Uh, there are a few things
that sometimes for ethical considerations, we are not going to
(47:30):
do as an old as an old style format thing
like there's um there, you know there there's some very
messed up things in the world that are better suited
as an audio podcast perhaps, yes. And and also there
are several things that we've tried to cover that we
just can't find footage for um. And you know, rather
than make an episode that just has stock images all
(47:52):
over it from videoblox or somewhere else. Um, we we
think it works better, um when it's kind of told
like a story. Yeah, and we we know that there's
we see the division sometimes on on YouTube comments especially,
and we we appreciate the support as we move forward.
(48:13):
I think you know, the first the first couple of
blogs we did, we're well intentioned, but we'll see frs.
You know, that's what we do. Yeah, and we're still
learning and hopefully we're learning stuff that is worthwhile for
(48:34):
this show. This time we talked about another current event
which we're going to have to come back and check
on when we hear some of the final verdicts about
the e M drive. Um, it might disappear from the
news for a few years the way it did in
when the Chinese team first reported it. But it might
(48:55):
turn out to be of halfways stars or oh or
just a very simple variable that we missed. But I'll
tell you one thing that so fascinates me about all
this stuff. Man, I'm one of those suckers for that
Sagan speech. I'm totally on board about going to the stars.
(49:18):
I would sign up, and you know, I knew Mars,
the Mars one thing was probably going to be a scam.
But did I apply? Yeah? I did. And I thought
it was a very awkward conversation to have with like
family or dating partners to say, um, oh, hey, what
are you doing. I'm signing up for a one way
trip to space? Oh all right, well then I'll just
(49:40):
you know, right, yeah, I guess I'm going to Moms
by myself. But but yeah, I I think that it
is an important thing for humanity to do. I don't
know if it will occur in our lifetimes or even
even if we'll have a colony on the moon. But um,
I keep a sharp eye on anything that might further
(50:03):
that goal. What about you, man, what do you think
about this whole engine? I am hopeful, I mean this
this engine, I don't I don't think much is gonna
come out of it. But I am hopeful though that
either the some of the plasma propulsion systems or some
other system, including perhaps a space elevator, are going to
(50:24):
work in combination to get us to a point where
we can, you know, turn the moon into a death star, right,
hopefully a lifestyle I don't know, like what it doesn't
George Lucas owned the rights to the phrase death death star. No, oh,
you're gonna have to beef that and all. Sorry. Yes,
let's hope the U N Resolutions hold in the moon
(50:46):
belongs to the people. But as we see, copyright infringement
is becoming a bigger and bigger deal every day. Cough
cough tpp cough cough. But this, this brings us to
know we gotta gonna ask you this question. It's it's
pretty important. Yeah, please listen up, all right, waiting for
us here ghost walker, Would you take a one way
(51:08):
trip to space or to uh to live on a
different planet? Oh, I thought it was gonna be a
I thought I was gonna have an option, okay, or
or stay here? Yeah? I mean one way, Like I
how long? How long do I have to go for forever? Yeah?
One way? What will the amenities be like? There will
(51:31):
there will be like a town and there will be
people there who have been selected based on like you,
their their attractiveness. They will win. Um, the only store
is hot topic, though, boy, you're you're vaking. Okay. See
here's the thing. I would totally take a one way
(51:53):
trip into space right now, and that I don't think
you would, absolutely not, right So I think we're both
trying to sway you to I just would need more information.
You're not. You're not. What if you were the first
person on the planet, you got to land and say
the thing that would be later there'd be a statue
(52:14):
of you a selfie stick with an HD camera, a
space selfie stick. I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go with a no. I respect you guys, don't
miss both of you very much. You're just taking off
then I thought you were just going to shoot your
ashes into space. Ben, You know, I like I always
thinking about that. No, listen, I know that might sound morbid,
(52:35):
you guys, but I think I would like to save
up for the whole body, because if I discovered an
alien floating through space, I wouldn't want to think, Oh man,
somebody wrapped up all this space dirt. This is frozen
body of frozen carcass of Yeah, but in a cool
pose like maybe with the guitar. I don't know. It's
(53:00):
gonna be expensive. It's gonna be my version of a pyramid.
It's gonna I'm gonna work all my life on that one.
Hey man, we're here for you if you need anything. Absolutely,
thanks well let us Thanks so much for listening, you guys,
and thanks for waging in there. No, let us know
what you think. Would you take a one way trip
to space? Would would you hop on a warp drive
(53:22):
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Space the Final Frontier. Well, I don't want to get
a suit, but oh I got so excited get out
of you and that nobody owns this Final Frontier space. Yeah,
I've been really getting into Star Chreck. Clearly excellent show,
really awesome human interpersonal relationship issues in a very amazing
fun way. Which one though, all of them, all of them,
(00:23):
all of them? Oh well, they all have one thing
in common, the importance of the warp drive. So they
get around space. It's how they boldly go to places, etcetera.
I seriously don't want to get a suit and I
love that show. But what if there was a real
warp drive? A number of years ago we dug into
(00:47):
this concept because something had hit the news, something called
an e M drive. You guys remember that, I do
a little bit. But it's been a while since we've
recorded this, I think six years maybe. Um, So, you
know what, I don't want to spoil anything and I
don't remember. Uh so let's jump right in. What do
(01:09):
you say? From UFOs two Ghosts and Government cover Ups?
History is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
now or learn the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello, Welcome,
back to the show. My name is Matt. I am
Ben and we are here with our super producer Noel
(01:34):
a k A. Ghost Walker Brown a k A. Warp
level nine a k A. What else? Why not warp
level ten as well? I mean that's dangerous, that's like
super saying Noel Brown. Yes, it's true. And uh Before
we get started today, we want to thank those of
you who wrote in with some some fantastic feedback regarding
(02:00):
our earlier episode on Jade Helm. Oh. Yes, thank you
for writing in. We got several interesting different perspectives that
were apart from our own perspectives on this and uh, man,
it's it's great to read your opinions and even these
your little insights. Especially. We had someone who is a
former soldier who wrote in. Yeah. We had several on
(02:22):
YouTube as well, some Facebook messages and tweets. We had
some people who live in the areas, yes, right, and
we had some updates, and we had you know, it's
interesting because we had several people who are saying, I
can assure you with absolute certainty that nothing at all
is going down. It's just sensationalism, which we asked about.
(02:44):
And then we had several people right in and say
I can assure you with absolute certainty that something is happening. Yeah,
And I think that that's kind of the space in
which we live. There's a lot of certainty out there,
but but not there's not a lot of evidence A
lot of times behind those either side of those statements, right, Yeah. Often, Uh,
(03:07):
certainty is like an opinion or a well this is
a family show, but you know what I mean. Uh.
So we we just wanted to h we just wanted
to thank everybody for checking that out. If you have
not seen or listen to our recent episodes on military
exercises and the one started in July here in the
(03:27):
US called jade Helm fifteen, then please do please do
avail yourself of it, check it out, let us know
what you think. Uh, today we are talking about something
completely different because you know, as we said, spoiler alert. Uh,
Matt and Noel and I have a few irons in
(03:48):
the fire. We've got some schemes cooking, and as a result,
we have been checking out some of our classic episodes,
moving them to a new channel. And this week we
did something that I really enjoyed at the time. Um,
and I I still am fascinated by it, Yes, alaptic energy,
the horonymous machine. Yeah, man, it's it's a cool idea.
(04:12):
And anytime we talk about free energy or somehow harnessing
energy that just exists in this Star Wars medic glarean
world that we live in apparently like radionics or gone.
I won't add Thetan's because technically, against spoiler alert, they
(04:32):
are ghosts, yes, spirits. Yeah, yeah, I guess you're alien ghosts. Yes,
And well you know, perhaps one day we'll learn how
to harness them without because I man, I can't right
be able to harness the Thetan's inside each other. That's
(04:52):
that's interesting. Well, uh, now that now that we have
once again flirted with Litiga aation by the Church of
Scientology at least one time, it's in our contracts, let's
go ahead and just like a quick recap of what
this all optic energy is. He said, it's sort of
an ambient thing. It's supposed to be all around us,
(05:15):
and it can be focused through these devices, these hieronymous machines,
devices named after the guy who invented them, quote unquote T.
Galen Hronymous exactly fascinating character and interesting story. He was
a he was idolized by a sci fi editor at
(05:39):
the time back you know, fifties, forties, sixties, and uh,
he did a somewhere in there match, and this guy
Campbell took it a step further and said, not only
do these machines work, but because it's harnessing this unknown
power and listeners, I'm like pointing to my forehead like
(06:00):
a crazy person. Now I assume it's Uh. Campbell assumed
it was a psionic power of some sort of psychic ability.
And so Campbell argued that you didn't have to build
the device. You could just draw the schematic of the
diagram right and it would have the same effect. And
(06:20):
you could place things objects in certain areas of this
diagram on a piece of paper that you've drawn it out,
and you could somehow harnessed through that object like a
memory or a There are all kinds of things you
could do with this device with a piece of paper
and the diagram. And you know, with your your mind,
(06:41):
that's all your minds being being your own thing or
being the primary mover the engine here. Uh. Horonymous himself
objected to this, and and although he thought Campbell's heart
was in the right place, his intentions were good, YadA
YadA YadA. Uh. He believed that this guy had accidentally
set back this science of radionics by a century or
(07:04):
more because the way that he built these devices is
you would take a substance of some sort of sample,
and you would put it in this little tray or
receiving area, and then you would be able to um,
be able to affect that by modifying or or I
guess harvesting, collecting, and and focusing this uh radionic energy,
(07:30):
which is not proven, certainly not proven. Yeah, I don't
think it is out of the realm of possibilities, especially
you know, as we're starting to tackle what we're going
to tackle this episode, right, Yeah, there might be something there, um,
But you know, for now we we in no way
(07:51):
can prove this and nobody can I understand. And you know,
it is quite possible that we have yet to encounter
all forms of energy affecting the reality in which we live.
You know, it would be tremendously arrogant to say that
we have figured it all out. You know, we are
still in what future historians would likely call the dark Ages.
(08:15):
But but point being, like Horonymous, one interesting thing I
can't remember from made into the video, which you sure
watch if you haven't launched it yet. Uh, it's uh,
there's there's this quote he has that we mentioned earlier.
He's talking about setting back the science a hundred years
or something. He says that this is the thing though, Matt.
He says that those diagrams worked when Campbell did them.
(08:38):
They actually were horotomous machines because the guy used India Inc.
Which Horonomous said was conductive. I know, I can hear
the more skeptical people in our in our audience now
just as their eyebrows raise and their eyes roll. One
of them made it into the studio. Huh, but do
(09:00):
check it out. And this got us thinking. This concept
of a optic energy got us thinking to something that
you and I have looked at several times before, like
free energy, or suppression of energy, or um or excuse me,
suppression of technology, alternative energy, zero point energy. All these
different propositions that we here get lauded and vilified and
(09:26):
uh mostly most often just not accepted by mainstream science. Today,
we're going to talk about the newest version of that.
But before we get there, we have to ask a question.
I have to ask you a question, and it's it's
actually one of our our boss, our boss's favorite questions.
(09:48):
Uh so, our boss is a guy named Jason. He's
our ccio. And one of the questions you like to
ask people is what's your favorite Star Wars or Star
Trek or do you have one? I think I've addressed
this before on this show maybe, and it is Star Trek. However,
I did just get back from the Star Wars convention
(10:08):
and I was starting to turn a little bit star
Star Wars, starting to turn towards Star Wars, just because
when you're around that kind of fandom, I think it's
it's a bit infectious. Um, and especially when you're with
someone like Holly Fry, who is one of the one
of the she's an editor here I believe, and the
(10:29):
host of stuff you miss in history class. She was
with us and she is such an avid fan that
I was, man, I was getting pulled that direction. But
for me, the science of Star Trek, the it's a
bit I would say a little harder on the science,
and that it it sticks a little bit closer to
the known physics, although it does extrapolate a whole bunch
(10:50):
to get things like the warp drive. Yes, um, but
it's you know, it's it's trying to be as in
line with it as possible. And also the social sciences
aspect of Star Trek I think is stronger. Ah yeah,
the the post industrial society is in the argument in
the there's a mysticism of course, the Star Wars right,
(11:11):
oh yeah, and and a lot I think I I
have not I have not made a call on either
of those. Well, that's probably a smart idea because let's
just wait until what I'm gonna get. I'm gonna get
so much hate for saying that. And I'm sorry Star
Wars fans. I do love Star Wars. It's just not
the same. I love you Star Wars, but I'm in
love with Star Trek. That's exactly right, all right, But
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nail on the head here, man, because if we're talking
about Star Trek, we're talking about the warp drive in here,
and and what like, what is a warp drive. Well,
it's a it's an engine for a spacecraft that would
allow the travel, allow the craft and the inhabitants everything
inside it to travel faster than light, so everyone in
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the rest of the world. It's two million, seven thousand,
four hundred and fifty eight meters per second. Yeah, that
seems that seems like it might be dangerous for the
whole of a ship. I'm just saying, well, sure, I mean,
it's it's tough, and it's a theoretical engine, but it
was it's cantalized humanity since we solidified the underlying laws
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of physics, and that's that's part of the problem with
the warp drive, right. Yeah, it's something that we've it's
a dream that we've had since then, right, and the
the thought of being able to achieve that, um man.
I think it's driven a lot of people in the
field right now, in the fields of physics, like the
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that kind of dream. Yeah. And even before we really
had codified what would become the laws of modern physics
as we understand them today, in UH, there were numerous
people who were, you know, building religions based off stuff
seeing in the heavens, writing stories about going there, staring
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into the sky, inventing UH different means of trying to
discern what was happening in our nearest celestial neighbors. But
the way we get there, as always or often has
UH in almost every single case, alluded us except for
or at least, and we're talking about manned exploration here.
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That's that's one of the big deals. But the laws
of physics have been around for a long time. Philosophers
knew about these, other people explored them due to these slow,
steady grind of history. Uh, we don't we you know,
we can't say with certitude who actually discovered these things first,
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because maybe a record of them doesn't remain sure. But
what we can say is that the credit for the
codification of like the laws of motion goes to a
guy named Isaac Newton, for three laws he created. That's right,
the three laws. So the first one that hopefully you
remember these from school, guys, I vaguely do. Um. The
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first law is that every object object will remain at
rest or in uniform motion in a straight line unless
it is compelled to change it's state by the actions
of some internal force. So it's gonna keep going where
it's going or staying where it's staying unless something else
comes in and knocks it. Um. The second law concerns
how the velocity of an object changes when it's subjected
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to an external force, so it slows down, speeds up,
these kind of things. And the third law, This is
probably the most famous law, is that for every action,
there is an equal and opposite reaction. And that's you know,
the idea of when a ball hits another ball that
have roughly the same mass, you're gonna see the ball
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that gets hit move in the opposite direction that the
ball of which hit it. Yes, right, exactly. And I
think he's these laws so far have not been disproven, right, No,
not yet, not yet, And it's okay to say, it's
okay to add not yet on there, because we could
also add probably never will be disproving. But I think
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I think it's best to hedge our bets and say
they haven't been disproven yet as far as we know,
at least on Earth. We're like, we're pretty sure that's
those are the rules. But we are faced with again
the relative impossibility of a warp drive. At least the
appearance of impossibility pales in comparison to the benefit that
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this kind of technology could give us. I mean, imagine, okay,
if for the Star Trek fans out there and for
the Star Wars fans, just imagine every time you saw
one of those long pans of the inky black and
and the tiny pinpricks of stars. Right. Uh. This illustration
of the sheer possibly unknowable size of the universe, uh,
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not to mention the space in between heavenly objects, means
that human beings cannot travel to another star within a
person's lifetime, not with their current technology. Right. Yeah, and
if you think about it, we're still, let's be a
little cross about it, we're still like taking the liquefied
remains of dinosaurs and making them explode to power space travel. Yeah,
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if oil is actually made out of dinosaurs, bend well,
the majority of oil is not made out of dinosaurs,
as you know. No, but that's a that's a crazy point.
That's that's the way we are still getting out of
our atmosphere. Yeah, into uh near or near Earth orbit,
uh to the Moon, or or sending even um rovers
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into you know, two Mars. Right. So this gives us
a few options then for any uh any intrepid human
beings or human groups wishing to travel beyond the stars
because they got swept up in that Carl Sagan speech. Right, Well, okay,
so I've got the first option. I don't know if
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it's really an option. I guess it is an option.
Just give up, just give up, just just say put
it down, just you know, go back watch an episode
of Daredevil and that's it. Well now, or fixed problems
that exist on Earth. Oh now, that's interesting. So it's
not it's maybe it's maybe it's a reprior prioritization. That's
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an interesting idea. Um. I think it's probably a bad one.
But that's okay. What else can we do? Oh, this
is exciting. We could try to build gargantuan, gigantic arcs
uh and put a little piece of Earth in their
human beings, animals, plants have a biome that's slowly crawling
(17:59):
through the ink towards some alien destination over millions of years,
while entire civilizations and species rise and fall like a
starship Earth kind of thing, like a little miniature version. Yeah,
do you do you when you envision this, do you
envision a spherical thing? Or do you envision like a
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enterprise type thing that it's got all the like it
looks like a ship, it's just got the interior of Earth.
I envisioned an inevitable breakdown. Oh sorry, I don't think Yeah,
I don't. I don't think we could do it. I'm
pretty skeptical. Maybe it's just a science fiction but there
there's so many problems that we have not thought of,
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Like what happens to a what happens to a woman
who has has a child? Right, conceives a child and
then bears it to term in space and repeat that over?
How many generations are you speaking of an evolution of
what a human would become in that kind of environment. Well,
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you know, over over that span of time, it might
be likely that certain traits would select for evolution. And
I guess it also depends on how many people are there,
what kind of gene pool are we talking about? But
I was I was just talking about the ability to
survive and reproduce successfully, because what happens for the first
generation of children growing up in space will there uh?
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Will their limbs their limbs right, will probably not be
as developed unless there some sort of continually functioning gravity, right, uh?
And who knows if they'll be able to reproduce. Oh man,
So that's that's one way, clearly not perfect, clearly not perfect.
All right, Well, is there any other thing we could do? Well?
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Here is? Here is I think our best and closest option.
What's that? Just let's devise different way to travel through space, right,
and also also a different way to get to space
or you know, to outer space to escape Earth's gravity. So, so,
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what's all this that we've been hearing for the past
what year three about people discovering a new kind of
warp drive. Well, you know, we've talked about the some
of the possibilities of a plasma engine. There have been
a lot of stories that you'll find on online about
different ideas for how to propel a ship once you're
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once you're in space. And that's where this most recent
one comes in, the m drive. And uh, this thing
is fascinating in the least it's a prototype rocket, is it?
You know? Is it the real life warp drive? Maybe,
at least that's the way it's being described. It's this
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gentleman named Roger Shawyer or Sawyer. And here's the thing.
He claims his engine generates thrust by bouncing microwaves around
inside this enclosed metal funnel. And since there's no mass
or energy emerging from the engine, he claims that this
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thing can propel itself just through that, just through bouncing
microwaves around inside this thing. And and if that's true,
this would violate Uh, some fundamental laws of physics. Yeah,
specifically the third one. Uh, kind of Isaac Newton's breakout
single on his pp of the Laws of Motion, which
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was the the third law about action and reaction. According
to a gentleman named Brian Coberlin cobra Line, who is
an astrophysicist at interview by space dot com, Uh, that
that's one of the primary problems with this. It's what Shaw,
you're the scientific Shuyres saying, is that he is creating
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propulsion without a propellant, a car without gas. Right, Yes,
there's there would still be energy expended, right because you
if you wanted to shoot microwaves into a thing, you're
gonna have the power whatever is firing the microwaves. Sure, yeah,
and that, but they're saying that the thrust they're getting
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when none exists should be there and there's nothing, there's
not a reaction to the action. I guess. So people
have attempted several tests of this device, and um, listeners,
you've probably heard the headlines or read something about NASA
testing it, right, Yeah, well, well kind of NASA, I
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guess kind of tested it. Because we know NASA is
a massive organization all kinds of different moving parts, different
parts of NASA UM all these departments. But one of
the departments is this tinyal outfit called Eagle Works. And uh,
the staff is about five scientists who tests all kinds
of unorthodox pieces of technology propulsion methods. It's headed up
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by Dr Harold sunny White. Yep. And this group published
a paper with this drop dead sexy title. Here it goes,
anomalous thrust production from an RF test device measured on
a low thrust torsion pendulum. Is he getting hot in here? So? Anyway,
(23:34):
this was back in and it was detailing experiments that
were conducted over a series of eight days in August
of Now here's the question, what's the anomaly that's occurring here? Well,
according to the reports these engines, by the way, there
are more than one. There's more than one m drive. Uh,
(23:55):
they appear to work on some small level. So under
testing they generate it anywhere from fifty to seventy micronewtons
of I guess energy. As Professor Ethan Stiegel notes, this
is less than the weight of a snowflake, which doesn't
seem very substantial to me. A guy sitting in a
(24:16):
room in Atlanta, Georgia that doesn't know much at all
about physics. You will also hear. You'll also hear that
in these tests, uh, fifty to seventy micro newtons is
small enough that it might not clear the rate of
error in measuring it. Uh. So well, here's the here's
the thing though, even if it is that minuscule, perhaps
(24:38):
it is just an error in testing. But if it's not,
they seem to be getting this energy from nothing, no fuel. Right.
It's an idea that will send quite a few physicists
into a livid huff every time you hear it. This
is not the first time someone in and it and
(25:00):
M drive or something. In China, female scientists name while
one young I believe I am mispronouncing that, and I
am sorry. Dr uh. She led a team of folks
and claimed they had done it in two thousand and twelve. Uh.
And then they were if you look at their papers,
(25:21):
it's pretty technical. But they also they were also measuring
temperature as well. Um. And then a guy named Guido
Feda claims to have invented one too. He called it
they can Kenna drive. And this is the one that
NASA Eagle Works tested. There's a difficulty here because the
groups did not receive the same consistent results, and they
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don't agree why it's happening, and no one knows what's happening.
And a lot of people, uh, a lot of a
lot of people are coming out of the woodwork to say,
you know, this is utter bunk um and and and
it's strange sometimes because again when one has to be
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rigorous when measuring these sorts of things and have a
decent methodology, but you also find like a lot of
character attacks where people are people are saying, people are
making the assumption that someone is automatically misleading the public,
which I think is um. I think it's it's um funny,
(26:29):
but I don't think it's professional. Absolutely. It's that same
thing that happens when let's say the bones of physics
are being challenged, right, because everyone in that field knows
physics and they know that this is the law and
this is how it works. And when someone comes along
and says, well, perhaps that's not how it works, right,
(26:50):
that's very dangerous, uh to most of the establishment, I
would say, um. But the great thing about science is
that they there's an understanding that change must occur or
at least some If new information comes in that is valid,
then the whole system can integrate that, right. Yeah, yeah,
and that that's a great point. And the more extraordinary
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claim is the more extraordinary the evidence should be supporting it.
That's what a lot of people that That's what a
a lot of people would argue. Right. So then for
something like this been it would need a lot of
money to be basically injected in so that there could
be vigorous testing of some device like this to the
point where you could either outright prove that this is
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happening or not. But it seems as though, I mean
it's kind of on the fringe, this little small group
of NASA that's being tested that's testing it, sure, because
you don't want to spend a whole lot of money
on something that is probably nothing. Right. Well, there, let's
keep in mind that NASA Eagle works. Their task is
to investigate these things that have enormous risk in terms
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of costs and waste of money. And potentially they're kind
of they're playing a lottery in R and D lottery
because potentially there there could be some huge benefit. But
let's go ahead and move to some pros and cons
about this, So we said, the skeptics have some massive
problems with this. What are some of the cons Well,
the first one is fairly obvious. Why are the results
(28:20):
of testing these M drives consistent? If they if you're
using a technology that is emerging like this, and you
have you could lock down the variables, then you should
get the same results every time, or very similar results. Uh. Yeah.
And then we also know that they were saying, of course,
are the biases of the scientists skewing the test? Uh?
(28:43):
You can read a piece on Forbes about the M
drive by a seagull, I think, the guy we mentioned earlier,
and in that you can tell it reads as though Seagull,
this professor seagull has just had it up to an
over year and down the street and up the road
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with with this thing, because it sounds like an angry
person on this um. And he makes some he makes
some very valid points too. He says, why aren't they
the same results? How do we know that something else
didn't come in? But he also said, uh, the guy
in charge of NASA Eagle Works is no, isn't I
think the phrase he uses is notorious for his support
(29:26):
of unorthodox ideas that's great, that's exactly what that group needs.
Oh and here's another thing we should at least think about,
is it is it a possibility that these tests were
somehow compromised? Right? Yeah, yeah, we're because what what we
mean when we say compromises was there some sort of
intervening variable that was not found otherwise Like the first
(29:49):
test that NASA Eagle Works did with feta's engine, I
believe they they tested it, but they didn't test it
in a vacuum. So people respond on it by saying, well,
of course it appears like something's happening. It was somehow
receiving some input from the surrounding environment. So they responded
by testing it in a vacuum. But NASA, who I
(30:14):
feel bad for man because you know, NASA has to
dodge these overly hype science journalists, I'm sure constantly yes,
with the BuzzFeed titles, right right, NASA reporters hate this shuttle.
Find out why? Yeah, they were. They were quick to say, like,
(30:34):
this organization is not researching a warp drive, because that
was the headline, right, But that that's not the only
other con. There's a there's another big con. Right, Well, yeah,
this this wouldn't in no way be a warp drive. Um,
it might get people, you know, to the Moon in
a few hours of it worked, let's say, but you're
(30:56):
not going to reach the kind of speeds that you
would need to go warp speed or faster than the
speed of light. Right. Um, yeah, that that's not gonna happen.
You won't be able to get to Pluto, let's say,
just to go out and argue at it that it's
it is or is not a planet, and then get back,
you know, the same day. Yeah, and this this has
(31:17):
been it's got to be disappointing to a lot of people.
Should read this headline about warp drive, But it's not.
It wouldn't be warp drive the way that Star Trek
is warp drive. You're not You're not going to some
infinite velocity. And at this point, even if humanity did
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possess some kind of engine or thing that was capable
of this sort of propulsion, we do not have the
material science to build anything that could withstand it. How
do you how do you move anything else with that drive?
How does the drive even go that fast? Now we
would just be shooting an engine by itself into space.
(31:59):
And maybe it can't. Maybe we find it from an
alien civilization, and maybe they couldn't build anything that could
use this as an engine. So maybe, uh, the entire
story of civilization in this galaxy is people shooting around
this engine because everything we build around it falls apart.
Guess what, Well, I think it's time to write a
short story. That's a pretty good idea, isn't it. Yeah, well,
(32:22):
we'll see, we'll see if it works out and watch.
But there are pros. I know it sounds very negative
right now, but there are pros. Uh, there may well
be something occurring here because these three groups testing the
same pretty much the same device have found something, right,
or they say they found something. There appears to be
(32:44):
something And perhaps we don't use this device exactly how
it's built now perhaps uh, you know, like we said,
perhaps it's nothing and we can just throw it in
the trash and forget about it. The other people inventing
it can move on to something else. But if there
is something there, we could use that as a starting point.
Right And this, this concept of people accidentally discovering a
(33:09):
warp drive sounds sounds pretty cool, right, But what I
think we would end up looking at is uh finding
a small I don't know, a little discrepancy, a glitch
in the matrix. That's how a lot of big things start. Right.
We see that waters tends to bend light. We see
these tiny things in the world around us, and if
(33:31):
we can just obsess over them enough and ask the
right questions, then eventually we can arrive um at amazing realizations.
And and there's there's something inspiring in that. But let's
be honest, and I know our family show, but let's
be honest, that's a huge pain in the ass. Yeah,
it's a lot of time, and it's a lot of money,
and we'd like to know what you guys think about it.
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If you'd like to hear some more technical information about this,
then we are have good news for you because our
friends over at Forward Thinking, UM, all three of whom
have made an appearance on our show at some point
or another. That is true. Yeah, so the same the
(34:16):
same crew, Joe, Jonathan and Lauren Uh. They have an
episode on the M Drive right now that you can
go check out as well. UM, we hope you enjoy it.
We have some other stuff like we talked about and
sloptic energy and radionics and we talked a little bit
(34:36):
about jade Helm. But before we go, we would like
to do a little bit of listener mail. Our first
message comes from Marty and he says, Hi, Matt and Ben,
have you ever done a show on televisions and other
equipment in our homes and their ability to spy on us?
(35:00):
I think I've watched most of your shows and I
don't remember one on that. Please forgive me if I
missed it. Oh, sir, You're forgiven either way. Do not.
You do not need forgiveness from us for any reason,
but please watch the rest of our videos. Okay, So,
as I'm typing this, I'm also wondering about the newer
vehicles and their surveillance abilities. Oh, he's putting stuff together,
(35:22):
Martina's or is that the stuff they don't want us
to know. We all know that our phone and emails
and texts are being watched by the powers that run
our lives and dictate what we can or cannot do
or have, all for the security of the corporation we
live in. Or maybe it's just for the security of
the elite that runs the corporation we live in. Yeah,
that sounds more like it. I like this Marty guy,
(35:43):
he's interesting. Uh anyway, just something to think about. Keep
up the good work as long as the powers that
be allow you to do so well. So uh, you know, Marty,
I I think that's a very good point because this
is something that we've talked about for and Matt. You know,
this is a huge there's a huge soap oox for me.
(36:05):
What what do you have? I don't want to well,
I will just say that I have not upgraded my
television for a long time since since smart TVs have
been around. I've got tape on my front facing camera
on my phone. Um, I'm terrified about my vehicle being
made in two thousand four, which is I think right
(36:27):
around the the pass the cutoff date for when your
car can be hacked easily. Um. So yeah, I live.
I live in this guy's world. I understand what Marty's saying, Like,
it's it's scary how much surveillance occurs on each human
being at all times. You're the good news is your
car can your car specifically that I think could only
(36:49):
really be hacked if someone had direct access to the ECU.
They'd have to plug in. Yes, it's in that weird
middle ground. Yeah, with the e C you can be hacked.
But yeah you can't like the new Mercedes, you couldn't
somehow remotely get into the computer. I hope. Um, wait
till check out the stuff at def Con. Right, that's
(37:11):
usually find that out. And we've done some episodes on
hacking here at how stuff works in general. We've done
some episodes on car hacking. Here is the here. Here's
why this is such a great and frightening point, Marty,
because the you'll remember, maybe I don't know how old
(37:33):
or young you are, but you you probably remember how
for years people would say this is paranoia. Who could
possibly be that important that we would do that? And
that makes a little bit more sense before the age,
before the computer age, honestly, because back during for instance,
back during uh the civil rights era, right when people
(37:57):
agitating for equal rights as human beings in the US
were doggedly pursued with wire tapping and with letter tampering
and things like that. That took concerted physical effort. But
what happened to you to be in the room next
to the person having a meeting and literally tapped through
(38:18):
the wall. Right, Yeah, you had to find agent, You
had to have feet on the ground, and even if
you were in the headquarters, you were still like mailing
people stuff and making making phone calls on landline phones.
What what I'm saying here is that we encountered a
gift and accursive sorts as a as a species in
(38:40):
the AGA, in the computer age, the cost of information,
and let's measure that by the money it takes you
to send a message somewhere or the time it takes
for that message to travel. Both of those reduced. Is
now it is now cheaper to talk to anyone than
it has ever been for and maybe ever will be again.
(39:02):
But with that means it's cheaper too. It's easier to
maybe that'd be a better word. It's easier to collect
more stuff. You don't have to wait and intercept physical mail.
You just have to have a shunt in a room,
in a cell phone or an I s P provider, right,
and that and that shunt goes directly to a collection
(39:22):
warehouse somewhere, And it's just hoarding that people might not
ever look at information hoarders. Yeah, I would love to
see there's like one episode and then we would get canceled.
But but this this thing is it's not as it's
not as crazy as so many people one wanted it
to sound. And and Marty, you might I think you
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might enjoy how many of the people who said this was,
you know, some bizarro dystopian fantasy now have all of
a sudden switched so quickly to say, oh, yeah, well
everybody knew that. Yeah, you when you were the ones
saying it was crazy. But that's just you know, that's
a cognitive dissonance, right. Sure, people are very good, uh,
(40:06):
people are very good curators of their memories, especially at
the times when they they wish they had done something different.
But but we see this happening in video game consoles.
And I think it's an excellent question about cars because
the monitoring for cars is going to increase at a
(40:27):
faster pace than many other things, partly because it's going
to catch up to current technology, and partially because there
is a the push toward autonomous cars means they're gonna
leap frog over a lot of earlier surveillance technology. Um,
partially for insurance purposes, a lot of it. Did you
(40:47):
see that article, um, Marty, maybe you saw to the
there's an article about Google's driverless cars and a number
of accidents that they've been involved in. Was that three?
It was eleven? I think oh to one point seven
million miles traveled, and I don't I don't know if
I'm completely correct, but I leave I believe that one
(41:07):
million of those miles approximately were done completely driverless, and
I think seven of the accidents happened during that time.
But it never ever was it the autonomous cars fault.
There was a person. There's always like another driver on
the road where I know at least three times it
was the laws that in states that allow for autonomous
(41:30):
testing like this, they just to be clear, they do
still have to have a driver engineer in the car
sitting in driver's seat. They're just not driving ideally. And
I guess seven times they tried. No, I'm I am kidding.
I hope everybody's fine, but but yeah, you're right, Marty,
And I've got a question for you. We'd like to
hear back from you on this. Uh do you think
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that will be eventually illegal to drive a car manually?
And if so when? Wow? Will it ever be illegal
to have the camera on whatever device you're working on,
like your computer or your television taped over it turned
off whatever be illegal to not have it on. Will
you get fined if you close your eyes? Right? Black
(42:14):
mirror reference? All right, we'll do one more letter because
I apparently had to go on a monologue. All right,
So Jimmy from l A writes to us and says, hey,
Ben and Matt, thanks for the outstanding work. Let's address
Jade Helm fifteen. As a former soldier, joint operation training
was common, usually conducted every six months. The reason for
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the training was to get multiple units to communicate a
maneuver effectively during tactical operations. When I was overseas in
the early days of Operation Rocky Freedom, I witnessed units
accidentally shoot each other and moved to unfortified positions under
the command of brigade commanders. The results were disastrous by
the loss of American and I Rocky lives. The training
(42:55):
was supposed to quell officers egos and get them to
work in unison. Many officers, lieutenant colonels and colonels were
jocking for general's promotion. The orders from these promotion crazed
officers was getting many soldiers killed by aggressive operations and
lack of cooperative playing between the units in the quest
for advancing their resumes. The paranoia, in my opinion, and
(43:19):
he's talking about about Jade Helm here was caused by
the Texas governor giving validation to the right wing conspiracy
theoristic accusations and the dispatch of the National Guard a
waste of taxpayer money. Again, thanks for the show, Keep
up the good work. Best regards, Jimmy from l A.
And he has a PS question too. He says, is
the new format for the new year, uh to make
(43:40):
less traditional videos, more logs and podcasts. Oh okay, Well,
so that's really interesting to get that insight. And like
we were saying at the top of the show, we
were getting all kinds of insights from different, uh, different perspectives. Um.
That is something I've never thought about before. The internal Um. Yeah,
(44:05):
the competition amongst military members. M hmm. You know, I
I completely get this too. We know that there is
a huge necessity for these kinds of things, but I
don't know if a lot of people think about what
would happen if you just had a poorly trained military
just dropped off in some place, given a tank, given
(44:29):
some more armored vehicles. In this city, we've seen some
examples of that with different groups Um, I don't. I
don't know what you would label them, either label them
insurgents or freedom fighters depending on which side drawn. But
small small armies that are made up of people who
are just fighting in let's say their hometown and their
(44:50):
home state, UM, like in everywhere, like all over the
we've been seeing it more and more. Unfortunately, UM, we're
or you just have people with weaponry that perhaps are
not trained with that weaponry and we'll see accidents or
you know, an RPG goes off in the friendly fire,
or have we just been hearing more about it? Um?
(45:13):
And also Jimmy, I I am on the same page
with you at least about the cause of the paranoia
regarding jade Helm. Again, I don't know what's going to happen,
Like I don't know what kind of exercises are going
to be conducted and what the effect is going to
be on the local population right when if you drive
(45:34):
somewhere and the roads are closed or something. But I
do see, I do see point here to respond to
with the Texas National Guard. That's what That's what Jimmy's
mentioning in his letter. If you guys recall in our
videos in our audio about Jade Helm. We talked about
the the relative autonomy of the Texas military forces, right
(45:58):
and the national card being called in made some people
feel that the state level governance of Texas did not
trust the federal level governance of the US. But then
I think there was somebody who it was either on
YouTube or email it also written in and said, well,
(46:18):
this is part of a normal reserve operation. They're they're
mobilized to be on reserve the same way they would
be if something was actually going down. So I'm I'm
not sure which, I'm not sure which it is, but
I'd love to hear from some listeners on that. And
that I've got to toss the question to you regarding
the uh question about less traditional videos, more vlogs, et cetera. Okay, Yeah,
(46:44):
so our show has been evolving ever since it's come out.
It's very different from our first CFR episode anything. It's
always a work in progress. Oh yeah, sure, and and
we're trying to make improvements. That's really what we're doing.
We're listening to feedback, We're kind of seeing what works
and what does in our on our end, and you know,
I think we're coming up with a a better version
(47:07):
of our show right now. Yeah, we're also we've we've
still got the not just the classic episodes, but we've
been looking at case by case basis stuff too, Like
there's some stuff that where the story is better told
to the old format. Uh, there are a few things
that sometimes for ethical considerations, we are not going to
(47:30):
do as an old as an old style format thing
like there's um there, you know there there's some very
messed up things in the world that are better suited
as an audio podcast perhaps, yes. And and also there
are several things that we've tried to cover that we
just can't find footage for um. And you know, rather
than make an episode that just has stock images all
(47:52):
over it from videoblox or somewhere else. Um, we we
think it works better, um when it's kind of told
like a story. Yeah, and we we know that there's
we see the division sometimes on on YouTube comments especially,
and we we appreciate the support as we move forward.
(48:13):
I think you know, the first the first couple of
blogs we did, we're well intentioned, but we'll see frs.
You know, that's what we do. Yeah, and we're still
learning and hopefully we're learning stuff that is worthwhile for
(48:34):
this show. This time we talked about another current event
which we're going to have to come back and check
on when we hear some of the final verdicts about
the e M drive. Um, it might disappear from the
news for a few years the way it did in
when the Chinese team first reported it. But it might
(48:55):
turn out to be of halfways stars or oh or
just a very simple variable that we missed. But I'll
tell you one thing that so fascinates me about all
this stuff. Man, I'm one of those suckers for that
Sagan speech. I'm totally on board about going to the stars.
(49:18):
I would sign up, and you know, I knew Mars,
the Mars one thing was probably going to be a scam.
But did I apply? Yeah? I did. And I thought
it was a very awkward conversation to have with like
family or dating partners to say, um, oh, hey, what
are you doing. I'm signing up for a one way
trip to space? Oh all right, well then I'll just
(49:40):
you know, right, yeah, I guess I'm going to Moms
by myself. But but yeah, I I think that it
is an important thing for humanity to do. I don't
know if it will occur in our lifetimes or even
even if we'll have a colony on the moon. But um,
I keep a sharp eye on anything that might further
(50:03):
that goal. What about you, man, what do you think
about this whole engine? I am hopeful, I mean this
this engine, I don't I don't think much is gonna
come out of it. But I am hopeful though that
either the some of the plasma propulsion systems or some
other system, including perhaps a space elevator, are going to
(50:24):
work in combination to get us to a point where
we can, you know, turn the moon into a death star, right,
hopefully a lifestyle I don't know, like what it doesn't
George Lucas owned the rights to the phrase death death star. No, oh,
you're gonna have to beef that and all. Sorry. Yes,
let's hope the U N Resolutions hold in the moon
(50:46):
belongs to the people. But as we see, copyright infringement
is becoming a bigger and bigger deal every day. Cough
cough tpp cough cough. But this, this brings us to
know we gotta gonna ask you this question. It's it's
pretty important. Yeah, please listen up, all right, waiting for
us here ghost walker, Would you take a one way
(51:08):
trip to space or to uh to live on a
different planet? Oh, I thought it was gonna be a
I thought I was gonna have an option, okay, or
or stay here? Yeah? I mean one way, Like I
how long? How long do I have to go for forever? Yeah?
One way? What will the amenities be like? There will
(51:31):
there will be like a town and there will be
people there who have been selected based on like you,
their their attractiveness. They will win. Um, the only store
is hot topic, though, boy, you're you're vaking. Okay. See
here's the thing. I would totally take a one way
(51:53):
trip into space right now, and that I don't think
you would, absolutely not, right So I think we're both
trying to sway you to I just would need more information.
You're not. You're not. What if you were the first
person on the planet, you got to land and say
the thing that would be later there'd be a statue
(52:14):
of you a selfie stick with an HD camera, a
space selfie stick. I'm gonna say no, I'm gonna I'm
gonna go with a no. I respect you guys, don't
miss both of you very much. You're just taking off
then I thought you were just going to shoot your
ashes into space. Ben, You know, I like I always
thinking about that. No, listen, I know that might sound morbid,
(52:35):
you guys, but I think I would like to save
up for the whole body, because if I discovered an
alien floating through space, I wouldn't want to think, Oh man,
somebody wrapped up all this space dirt. This is frozen
body of frozen carcass of Yeah, but in a cool
pose like maybe with the guitar. I don't know. It's
(53:00):
gonna be expensive. It's gonna be my version of a pyramid.
It's gonna I'm gonna work all my life on that one.
Hey man, we're here for you if you need anything. Absolutely,
thanks well let us Thanks so much for listening, you guys,
and thanks for waging in there. No, let us know
what you think. Would you take a one way trip
to space? Would would you hop on a warp drive
(53:22):
machine if you had no idea? If you'd ever make
it back? Um and do? And of course, of course
more importantly, what do you think of this m drive?
Do you think it is uh? I think it's real.
You think it's bunk? Let us know you can find
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