CLASSIC: Prophecy, Predictions and Prescience

Nostradamus. Edgar Cayce. Baba Vanga. Have any of history's alleged psychics successfully predicted the future? Join Ben, Matt and Noel as look at humanity's efforts to predict the future, from ancient oracles to the bleeding edge of science.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Well, if you are listening to this the day it
comes out, Happy New Year. This is well earned. This
is the UM very last show of the year for
this calendar, for this calendar system, and we wanted to
we wanted to take time to to do something a

(00:21):
little bit different. I guess first we should we should
talk about this episode. Oh the sweet kids that we
were a while back, you guys, Matt Noel. We uh
we did an episode on prophecy, predictions, imprescience. Yeah, this
episode came out on January one, twenty six. We were

(00:41):
such a naive summer children back. How things have changed? Yes, yeah, we,
like everybody listening, did not really understand or, as some
of our friends would say, Grock, what the future would
old and um, just to be completely transparent now, which

(01:03):
is what this show is about. I've alluded to our
personal lives to varying degrees in the course of our
explorations together. UM. In November of this year, my mother,
Susan Bulland passed away unexpectedly. Um. Like a lot of
people listening in the crowd today, Uh, it was not

(01:24):
my first rodeo with death, and like everybody listening, it
won't be my last. I've seen a lot of people
go I've been there, unfortunately, and this was a peaceful passing,
as peaceful as these things can be. But I bring
this up only because it's it's a matter of family,
and we have all lost people, more so now than

(01:47):
we we thought we might have in you know, this
show is to me at least, not to speak for you,
guys mattin Old, but this is one of the most
important things I've ever done. And when we say that,
you are, you know, the most important part of the show.
Sometimes it may feel like we say it like a cliche,

(02:10):
but what that really means is that, in a very
real way, you are our family too. Matt and Noel
were kind enough to be able to make it to
the funeral service for my mother. Um we had to
sit through a terrible Statler Brothers song, but I love

(02:31):
it and and so I wanted to thank everybody, and
more importantly just to say, you know, we can't find
any proof of predictions and prophecies that really come to
pass spoiler alert, but what we can do is be
here for each other. So if you are going through something,

(02:53):
if you need someone to talk to, at least on
my end, I want you to know you can reach
out to me personally. UM, I'm terrified of phones, so
please don't call me, but we get You can find
me anywhere on the internet. You can find our show
on the internet as well. And I want to thank
you you guys, know and Matt for giving me the

(03:15):
space to say this, and for our fellow conspiracy realists.
Seriously take me up if you ever need someone to
talk to. Ben Bull and hs W on Twitter at
been bullying on Instagram. But that's that's my bit, that's
my ted talk. What about you guys into your statements?
Well I had offered the same thing, but you'll never
find me on social media, so it's always changing it

(03:35):
up this day, you know, a new handle every week.
You're like the kids on Instagram, you know. I mean,
it's it's just hard to pin you down. Um. Same
here you can. You can find me on at how
now Noel Brown on Instagram. UM, And just want to
echo this family sentiment. I mean, you can't spend this
much time with two of the best dudes in the
universe and not feel like brothers. And I'm an only

(03:59):
child and I've never really had a brother, you know.
At least biologically. But you guys are the closest thing
that I have had or ever will have. And I
love you both dearly. Yeah, yeah, And I would actually
extend that to Mission control. Paul Deckett, who's you know,
I'm looking at his face right now on our screen.
He's always there, always in the background, always listening, never judging, yeah,

(04:22):
usually never judging. Makes a face him make a face
both And alexis code name Doc Holiday. It's it's the same.
We were all up one big family here and it
goes back to through you know, when Noel was a producer,
when we had Alex around here. We've got Seth Johnson
every once in a while, just like our cousins coming

(04:43):
to visit or something. And um, you don't toil away
at the research like we do and then come in
here and have these conversations. And you know, we're we're
we're trying to be very careful with our thoughts and
words where we're in here, and it's because we have
you in mind. We're we're imagining you and and speaking
with you, and you know, we we don't take that lightly. Um,

(05:06):
and we very much appreciate the time that you spend
with us, so thank you, and I would just say,
you know, happy New Year. Let's try and make this
next one not suck as much. I know we said
that about every time. Uh No, you're right, You're right, Matt.
That's what that's what we can bring in this classic

(05:26):
episode we thought would be interesting to to share with
everyone because we talk about famous alleged profits Nostro Damis,
Edgar Casey, Baba vanga um, and we talk about something
that people have been trying to do for a long
long time, which is to have some sort of perspective on,

(05:47):
or even control over the chaos and uncertainty that the
coming years or days will bring. One thing we can
say for certain is that we being so immensely fortunate
to be part of this show. We we all uh
we we all know predictions are a little silly, and

(06:09):
I don't know about you guys, but when we have
we've talked before about making a prediction episode and it's
just playing with live fire. But I think we can
safely say. Um, one of the last things my mom
actually said to me, which is we'll get through this together.
You're here from UFOs to psychic powers. Since government conspiracies

(06:32):
history is riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back
now or learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my
name is Noel, and today I am Ben. Most importantly,

(06:56):
you are you, which makes this stuff they don't want
you to know. At least, we hope you're feeling like yourself,
and if you're feeling like someone else, well it's nice
to talk to that person too. We have a very
special announcement as we begin the show today. We are
I believe we are the last show recording for the year.

(07:19):
We're on the cusp. Gentleman. That is correct, as long
as we finish after Jonathan finishes his session. That's happening
simultaneously theoretically. Theoretically yes, which means that by the time
you hear this, it will be twenty sixteen. So there's
something that we would like to wish you guys. Good luck.

(07:43):
Mary New New Order Day? Oh what what Mary New
Order Day? Is this thing? Nolan has started and started
it take it off? Well, it was more like it's
more You're more the visionary of it. You're the Walter White.
I'm kind of wood shopping and I don't know if
I'm ready to try it out, it's quite yet. I
feel as though I jumped the gun and dropping that

(08:03):
slogan apologies to well, this is uh, this is the
one time of year we're ball dropping is not only
cool but a television events. So happy New Year to
you guys. So today, whether or not we are the
last podcast, we are definitely the first podcast for stuff
they want, you know, twenty sixteen and today we're talking

(08:25):
about something that's somewhat apropos Is that correct? Yes, we're
talking about profits and the seeing into the future and
predicting things that are to come. Maybe perhaps yes, an
idea that goes back to the earliest days of religion, right, Uh,
the oracle of Delphi, where where in these priestesses would

(08:50):
sit over a fissure in the earth on a tripod
kind of stool and breathing the fumes from this fissure
and with for predictions about what was to come. That's
a that is a very cool image and I wish
I could have seen that. Right. Funny story about the

(09:12):
famous oracles at Delphi is that the predictions or mutterings
of these priestesses were interpreted by their uh, we'll find. Yeah,
this is a commonality that we will seem among different profits.
And I should note that the people who were performing
these acts of divination, those were the specifically the oracles.

(09:36):
So the English word prophecy appears in Europe in the
mid twelve hundreds twelve twelve twenty, and it comes from
the French the twelfth century word prophecy. So you can
see where they're connected. This goes all the way back
to the Greek um. This comes from a word that's profema,

(09:59):
which mean to say beforehand, to to foretell. So what
what we see is that even before then people have
been making predictions right. Well, yeah, it's a fun thing
to do, right to just for an everyday human being,
all of you sitting in your cars or whatever you're
doing running, It's kind of fun to think what is

(10:22):
going to happen in the next five years, maybe the
next hundred years, just for someone who doesn't even have
any kind of powers or you know, it is in
touch with some greater thing. Uh. I like to do it.
I like to sit around and go, oh, man, I
can see this happening in the next World war. So
is there is there a connection ben between the word

(10:42):
prophecy and the idea of prophecy for telling the future,
and the idea of like professing something or speaking out
about something, or being a professor for example, like someone
who teaches you. Uh No, that's that's an interesting question
because the idea of a prophet, it's not necessarily prophecy,
but profit itself is sort of one who speaks for

(11:05):
the gods. So it does have the to speak for right,
So professor would be more like declare publicly, if that
makes sense. So there is a relationship there, But I
don't know if a professor is necessarily speaking for God

(11:28):
or by divine inspiration. Have you guys ever seen a
prophetic professor like on the streets walking around in the city. Yeah,
there is a There is a group of people now
who are um pamphleting the streets regarding cell phone use
and cancer the w h O World Health Organization. But

(11:51):
what I was going to say, though, is I don't
want to misl you listeners by thinking the prophecy is
a Western thing. It should go without saying what we're
going to say it anyway, to be fair, that prophecy exists.
It probably predates writing because one of the earliest things
that man tried to do, or humankind tried to do rather,

(12:13):
would be to forecast the movements of the heavens and
to see if there were any correlation between the movements
of the sky and the movements on the ground. And
most of the earliest civilizations, many of which have been
lost to time, were oral traditions. So this had to
exist before the Western world. I mean, we can't be that,

(12:37):
you know, Western centric, but the stuff we're going to
hear about usually concerns the Western world, and we'd like
to take a look at several world famous profits today.
This is our this is kind of our prediction show too, Hi, guys.
I was going to add it, you know, speaking of
not being originated in the Western world necessarily. I mean

(12:58):
I was thinking about the idea of like casting bones
or like looking at you know, in trails and things
like that and trying to figure out what the future is,
and I was just looking up oracle bones. Apparently that
goes as far back as like the Shang dynasty, which
was around b C. And so they found, you know,
examples of these oracle bones that were used to kind

(13:18):
of like see into the future and things like looking
into flames, you know, for example, Yeah, that's divination rituals.
That's that's great. I wonder if that would also make
almost a separate show on its own too, because you know,
reading the liver or the entrails of a goat, or
the tea leaves, you know, the tea leaves of course,

(13:38):
and oh there's so many other different methods, and one
of which, if you live in the US you may
be surprised to find is still practiced today in the
modern age. Can anyone guess what it is? Listeners will
give you a chance, you guys, are I would think
it was the palms reading of palms or terroris? Oh,
it's groundhog Day. It's the one every one participates in. Yeah,

(14:01):
it's funny, even though it's completely bunk. I ever, tell
you have several members of my family who lived in Punkstani.
No you didn't. Yeah? Can they still call him punk
Satani Phil? Or do they him a new name? I
don't like the Georgia Bulldogs. Bulldog when it dies? That
give add a number to it? Like I'm pretty sure? Okay, Wow,

(14:23):
I'm gonna I might be completely incorrect. The last time
I was there, it was still punk satani Phille and
it was not the original right. Oh yeah, it's like
the Marlborough Man, right exactly or Zoros. So let's let's
get a few things out of the way before we
delve into this. If you've already checked out our video
on prophecy, then you know some of what we're going

(14:44):
to talk about. We're going to mention some specific alleged
profits or would be profits or people who thought they
were profits. And then we're also going to look at
some of the stuff they said or again allegedly said,
and whether it measured is up. So first things first,
one of the big questions that you might have is, well,

(15:06):
if there are true profits, and if they are true
specific prognostications or whatever of future events, then why do
these future events occur if they're still disasters? If someone
says the Titanic is going to sink, yeah, somebody's gonna
stop that from happening, right, because now we know, right,

(15:29):
or do we? And why is? Why is it's what's
the old quotation we see through the class darkly or something?
Why Why does so much of what is called prophecies
seem to be kind of vague? I mean, not to
mention like time travel tropes and books and television. I mean,
you can't do it. You can't keep Hitler from being born.

(15:51):
You know, you can't keep Kennedy from being assassinated. It's
never gonna work. Something's always going to crop up against
you and you're gonna fail. Yeah, like that. So that's
a perfect point to you know, what is the nature
of the presence relationship with the future, right is it?
Is it possible? There's a great thing in um Stephen

(16:12):
King book, And I know Stephen King is divisive for
some people, but he wrote this book about someone who
tries to go back in time and stop the Kennedy assassinations. Yeah,
there's a great line in there. Always says the past
is obdurate, which which means that this guy is going
back in time and he's trying to change certain things.
But even the little things are really really hard to change. Yeah,

(16:34):
it will not it's it will not be changed. It
resists change. Because this is the only time, probably in
my life, I've been able to use this statement correctly.
It is what it is. That's that's it. That's the
only time. So all right, so let's let's talk about
some of those problems with prophecy. Skeptics like James Randy
will tell us that most prophecies only become predictive in

(16:58):
the eyes of p people looking back in reference to
something that already happened. Well, we mean it's some kind
of postdiction, some retroactive divination, right, Yeah, they're translated in
a way that makes sense to the recent events around them,
exactly exactly. So with with that in mind, what we hope,

(17:20):
what we hope to explore today is whether there are
prophecies that clearly delineated something that happened in the future,
whether there were prophets who did so, whether the at
least in the cases we're looking at, and whether the
other part is true, whether the fans or the advocates
or the believers in these prophecies said years after an event,

(17:43):
oh totally, you predicted World War two. It's a lot
of it too, has to do with the language of
the prophecy, and one of the first ones we're going
to get into, very well known prophet Nostradamus, is were
almost written like in the form of riddles or kind
of weird little aphorisms that you know, sort of like
the fortune cookie, you know, can you could apply it

(18:05):
to something if you choose. If you see an event
and you say, oh, well, you know, here's a thing
it's kind of related. You can make a jump on
a leap and get there if you want to um.
Some of them are weirder than others as well discuss,
but again it's all about the language and prophecy. Prophecies
do tend not to be this thing is going to
happen on this day. It's gonna be just like this.
They're usually much more vague and open ended. So so

(18:27):
I have a I have a a funny well it's not.
It wasn't funny to me, but it might give everybody
a chuckle. Uh. I have a funny story about muster Damas.
When I was a wee young Tyke one of my
uncles who has always been into fringe kind of theories,
and he saw he's still a hard person to read.

(18:47):
He would occasionally just send me books out of the blue.
And one of the books that I received from him
was a book about nostrodomass prophecies for the End of
the world. And this was probably a book that was
over my head at the time, and it was also
on the cusp of the nine Atlanta Olympics. So I

(19:10):
read this one quation was and it had this strange
um strange phrasing, but it was something like in nineteen
hundred and nineties six build your house, sort of rock
and sticks, war and fire will sweep over the land.
And they did like, oh, apostrophe e er, which to
me was super like super legit at the time. And

(19:31):
then I was convinced that the end of the world
or the end of the city would occur in during
the nine Olympics. And I was, I'm being dead serious,
you guys. I was terrified to go into the city.
I was certain that this mass market paperback had accurately

(19:51):
predicted future and a my mom made me go to
one thing, and the rest of the time I stayed home.
Certain right, yes, exactly. And then the there was a
bombing at the at the Olympics that year, but civilization
soldiered on. But that must have been creepy for you
at the time to see on the news or something

(20:13):
here somebody talking about it. I was convinced that the
ancient wisdom of Nostre Damas had saved my life and
for and that was for a couple of a couple
of years. But then we started to look at the
interpretations and and a lot of people are aware of Nostradamus,
skeptics and believers alike. So let's get into it, you guys,
who who is this dude? So his full name was

(20:35):
Michelle de nostradama Um and went by the street name.
I suppose you could say Nostrodamus Um. One of my
favorite hip hop names of all times is Flastradamus. Yes, fantastic,
just throwing up there, but um so. According to most sources,
he was born in December of fifteen o three and
died in fifteen sixty six. He made a living as

(20:57):
like an apothecary sort of, you know, exactly a precurstitch
of pharmacists. But today he's much more well known, regarded
as a soothsayer or a prophet as we're talking about.
In five he published a book called Li Profetise, which
remains relatively popular even to this day and has been
translated into numerous languages. Um today you can find the

(21:20):
full copyright free PDF of this in the public domain.
You can get an archive dot org courtesy of the
Library of Congress. Though it should be noted uh and
This was something I was going to bring up. We're
talking about how these things are interpreted. They're also translated literally,
quite literally, because the original version was written in French.
The prophetis and the one that you can find that

(21:43):
we mentioned that PDF is completely in French, and you
can just imagine the little nuances they get lost as
it gets changed over to English or to Spanish or
I mean, you know, in the Romance languages. It might
be even more similar. But then imagine if it's translated
let's say, I don't know, to man drain or something
like that, and people are using these prophecies as and

(22:03):
trying to translate them. Oh man, and have you been
out of the college game for a minute. It I'd
only recently occurred to me again how important translators are
for you know, works of philosophy, and how you become
like the pre eminent voice, you know, in terms of
translating in particular, you know, writer, and because you are
literally creating the interpretation of this work that is going

(22:26):
to be consumed and taught and you know, passed around,
and a lot of times that we're interpretation definitely applies,
I mean, it has to, and it goes it goes back.
That's so interesting because it goes back to what we're
talking about with oracles, right, Uh, the the priests, to
the sibyl and in the interpreter, the intermediate medium. Uh so, uh,

(22:50):
this is this is great that we're getting to this
part because it's not just modern French. It's French from
the fifteen hundreds, sort of like like Middle English or something.
It's difficult to it's it would be very very difficult,
although I do love. One thing I love about spoken
French at least is that everything rhymes. Do you guys
ever think about how easy it must be to wrap

(23:12):
in French? Well? Really interesting? Yeah, you're right, I didn't
think about that. But it flows very nice. It flows,
it flows, it does end. So no. Stredamis's predictions are written,
as we said, in this French, and they're grouped in
a peculiar way. They are grouped in four line stands
as quatrains that observe or maybe worn about vague events

(23:37):
or very symbolistic. Uh. The stands as themselves are grouped
into units of a hundred called centuries. And as we said,
it's all about the interpretations. So let's talk about some
of the specific prophecies that no stredamis made. Should we
go ahead and jump right in to the old September

(23:58):
eleven one attacks Why not? Man, I'm not an eight
and a half the yards kind of guy. Okay, that's
where we're going. Uh, let's let's get into the English
translation that old Matt Frederick. Here o l apostrophe Matt
Frederick or however you want to translate Frederick. All right,

(24:19):
here we go. Volcanic fire from the center of the
earth will cause trembling around the new city. Two great
rocks will make war for a long time. Then Arufsa
will redden a new river. Yeah. Ruf's side note is
a nymph who turned into a fountain in her story.

(24:42):
Uh so that's one translation, But I don't know if
this is the same one. I found another version. Apparently
there were quite a few folks talked around about not eleven.
This one has some similar ideas, but it's in the
city of God. There will be a great thunder, two
brothers torn apart by chaos. While the fortress endures, the
great leader will succumb. The third big war will begin

(25:05):
when the big city is burning. That is an interesting one. Actually,
because I've seen the imagery in their matches up really
well with what we saw on the news and what
kind of happened. What's what I'm saying, it's the fortune
cooking men town. You know, you can fit it in,
you can totally box it in if you think, wow,
those are some big burly images that he's talking about,

(25:26):
and like you can connect them with, you know, to
the Twins, the two buildings, the Fortress of the Pentagon,
which still stands. Also, the qualification of posting something on
the Internet is entirely the ability to have an Internet connection,
of course. And I remember this one. This was this
was right when everything went down and everyone was talking
about the Nostrongs connection. This one was totally doctored and

(25:46):
it is made up, but you may remember this. It
was two steel birds will fall from the sky on
the metropolis. The sky will burn at forty five degrees latitude.
Fire approaches the Great New City. Immediately, a huge scattered
flame leaps up. Within months, rivers will flow with blood.
The undead will roam the earth for a little time.
Totally fabricated. Someone just took the flavor of Nostre Damas

(26:10):
and added maybe a couple of lines from one of
the quatrains and dumped this out and it was making
the round. I remember seeing the two steel birds and
they didn't have steel See. I think I think the
steel Birds line is actually taken from another profit that
we're going to speak about a little later. This is
definitely attributed to Nostradamas at the time, it's completely bunk.
And that's yeah, that's another thing Nostredamus also, all right,

(26:33):
so we know that there are some bunk translations. We
know that there are people who said, yeah, why don't
I just stick a line about New York in here?
And so what they end on that thinks, and that's
why we have Nostredamus. This guy writing in uh the
fifteen hundreds, allegedly according to the Internet, saying stuff like
New York the eleventh day of the ninth month. And

(26:59):
again the way any of these were laid out. Okay,
I'm gonna play I'm gonna play Devil's advocate here for
a moment on the side of someone who perhaps can
see beyond the veil, for a moment in a fleeting
glance of something. Imagine that you have no context for
what New York City looks like or for what a
city or a building or anything that you're looking at.

(27:21):
It looks like like, imagine you're getting a glimpse of
a futuristic city hundreds of years from now, and you
have no idea what anything is. You don't know what
the names are, but you see two things that looks
similar to a plane for sure attacking something. I mean,
it's it's interesting to me imagining how I would write

(27:42):
down on a piece of paper or what I was
seeing if I could somehow see that and and potentially
a very cool literary device. I can't pick pick it
out right now, but I feel like I've seen that
before in a movie or in like a novel, whether
someone has had a prophecy and they describe it in
these kind of like, uh, very rudimentary terms, something that
will happen in the future, which like the Great Turtle

(28:06):
will rise from the sea, and you know things like
that where it's like maybe it's like a warship or something.
You know, it's like cargo cults then that we've talked
about before. Yeah, cargo cults. People will call, uh, what
is It's a term that might be somewhat defraugatory. Cult
can be h for people who are living in isolated
areas in the Pacific Ocean, isolated islands, and they would

(28:30):
see cargo dropped and see airplanes for the first time,
and service members of various wars. There is there was
within your lifetimes, listener, there there was a active cargo
cult that worshiped Prince Philip uh and they would build
towers or radio towers and an attempt to summon these

(28:53):
things from the sky. Again, well he is kind of dreamy,
is he. Yeah, but just idea that there's no there's
not a lot of context for for that group of
people who have seen something that's beyond their understanding that
has done something good for them. I thought it's a
great Yeah. I think that's a great argument. I'm glad
you make it because we've heard arguments about that in

(29:14):
biblical text, right. I can't remember if it's I think
it's Old Testament. Yeah, it's gotta be Old Testament where
Ezekiel has a vision of what he said learning chariot
or wheels within wheels, and that description is clearly someone
trying to be very specific about some but bizarre spectacle

(29:37):
but not maybe not quite knowing what it is, which
has led you know, ancient alien people to say that
it's some sort of visitation extraterrestrial. But that's a story
for a different day. It is, it is, it is,
But I just have thrown vi Mona's that's one of
the coolest things. The the idea of the flying ships
for an ancient Indian texts, ancient nuclear war hunt. The

(29:59):
Nazis believed in it. It's also interesting to the way
you can sort of divide profits up into the into
two camps. I mean, you have these religious leader profits
that are communicating with said deities that are in charge
of whatever faith they represent, and then you have these
nostre damas soothsayer type profits that are more about looking
at the big picture. They're not necessarily saying they've got
a message from God. They're just saying they can see,

(30:21):
you know, beyond and seeing the future. And they're both
kind of you know, considered profits, but they have sort
of have their own little game going on right well.
And yeah, and in nostri nostradamis as time, it was
apostasy or denial of religion. Technically it's like this huge crime.
So it you know, it's it's strange when you think

(30:41):
about that too, because most of the profits we see
have or people who believe their profits have some sort
of spiritual nature. And sometimes it's I'll say it, sometimes
they believe they have discovered it independently. But that's the
nicest way to say it. There's another one, since we
started at nine eleven. Well, yeah, and and since you

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said the Nazis did believe perhaps in the ancient nuclear war? Yes, uh,
did Nostradamus predict the rise of Hitler and the beginning
of World War two in the place very near, not
far from Venus, the two greatest ones of Asia and
of Africa from the Rhine and Histor they will be

(31:25):
said to have come cries tears at Malta and the
Ligurian side Histor. Huh, that sounds pretty close. Yeah, but
I don't think. I don't think that's what there or
perhaps Okay, I just have to say it's a it's
a river, right. Histor is a river, The Rhine is
a river. They are in Germany, or at least on

(31:46):
the western side of Germany. The Rhyan is there. And
then the history, I don't know exactly where. It's the
Latin name for like the lower stretch of the Danube. Okay, okay,
so yeah, so that that sounds We're here's just the show, everybody.
How for these translations can be We've got the original Freendshire,
which I'm not going to butcher, but then someone else
translates it. To remember what um, what we just heard

(32:09):
from Noel earlier? Someone else says, beast wild with hunger
shall cross the rivers. Most of the fighting shall be
close by the history. It shall result in the great
One being dragged in an iron cage while the Germans
shall be watching over the infant rhyme what vastly? Yeah? Yeah,

(32:30):
and so what part of that is fabricated? Right? Uh?
So again, you can read various interpretations of this, especially
with no stradomics in mind, because there's so many, so
many translations that are people actually trying to transliterate. I mean,
the original is so innocuous. It's just it's like in

(32:50):
a place not far from Venus, like like, how much
more vague can you be? And then it it gets
more specific and they will be said to have come
cries tears at Malta and the Ligurian side. It's just
so open ended, you know that you can just shoehorn,
whatever idea you want into that if you choose now,
is that what you think is happening. I think it's

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what's happening with this other translation that you're talking about.
And I think, like you say, it's it's if you
get excited about the idea that maybe this guy really
did have something, your brain starts to make all these
leaps and fill in the gaps, and you know, kind
of like, what is it confirmation bias? Kind of? Yeah,
this this makes me think about so many other things.

(33:31):
We've looked at the psychotronics studies in the USSRUH in
the aftermath of World War Two, the various m k
ultra type experiments people have tried to conduct with or um.
Was it stargate with Ingo Swan where people were trying
to access what they were certain was an extra sensory ability.

(33:52):
I'm not here to say that that stuff conclusively doesn't exist,
though it is true that governments have spent a lot
of money on things that ultimately didn't pan out. Well, yeah,
and that's why we had to do right, we talked
about this, but with the reason why the United States
government had to do research into this, Uh, this this

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subject is because it was being done by the other side.
And if the other side somehow unlocked psychic powers or
these you know, ways to see through buildings and perhaps
even move through them, and we didn't have it. Oh
we're in trouble if they've got X men and we don't.
But yeah, but okay, I while I get that, it's
also somewhat disingenuous. And I know this is a bit

(34:37):
of a different topic. It's disingenuous, uh, at least on
the part of some members of the military bureaucracy, because
clearly it's war is good for the winner's economy, right,
so it's also a way to rationalize more spending. We'll
watch out this thing. I mean, remember, we live in

(34:58):
a country where mere decades ago someone said, what if
we could make a bomb, it would just turn people gay? Yeah,
what if? Why don't we just try that and let's
spend a couple Let's spend a couple of mill on it,
and just see if that's a real thing. All right,
So we should mention though. One common misinterpretation about Nostradamis

(35:22):
is that he created all of his work independently. That
is not true. He pulled there's pretty convincing evidence that
he pulled from existing literature of his time, histories, things
like that. So a lot of his work is referential,
but not necessarily referring to future events. It's referring to

(35:44):
or alluding to existing works in his time in the
fifteen hundreds, similar to the way that T. S. Eliot's
The Waste Land refers so heavily and is so elusive
in terms of it how it leans on other exists works.
So some of these prophecies are these translations are more

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amalgamations of other things. He didn't write this all independently,
and he didn't predict the end of the world the
Mayan cycle, which itself is kind of based on a
mistranslation in twelve. Instead, he said his prophecies extend from
now to the year thirties, seven, nineties seven or something
like that. That is a long time for now, that's

(36:29):
a while, a really long time from fifteen five. But
his major astrological source at the time, Richard Rousseau, said
that forty two might be a date for the end
of the world. Uh, I don't remember the arcane logic
they used, and three seven nine seven minus fifteen fifty
five when he published the book is twenty two two.

(36:52):
I don't know, man, I was gonna say one, that's
probably a better, better year. It's just so funny because
when you it doesn't matter who you are. I don't
care how popular you are among any circles. If you
just throw out a number like that, I don't know,
well I'll throw I'll throw out a number for you.
Um well, I can't. I know this is weird because

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I can't tell you much about the person who told
me this, but I am convinced by this source the
world is ending for someone or some group of people.
Like every every day and every year, there are between
fifty and two hundred apocalyptic groups who believe that this

(37:36):
is it is a big finish. And without without being
disrespectful or dismissing these people's beliefs, I will say that
there's something inherently narcissistic and self center to assume that
a thing that existed for thousands of years is going

(37:57):
to stop that and you show up just in time,
like civilization itself for right job. I mean, it's there's
something inherently not selfish but self important about that, and
so far, the one thing that all apocalyptic groups have

(38:19):
in common is that they have not accurately predicted the
end of the world. You know, my favorite end of
the world um prophecy is what's that? Are you guys
familiar with the Church of the SubGenius. Yeah, So they
celebrate this holiday every year in July that called X
Day and UM. Initially X Day was supposed to be

(38:40):
the end of the world and was supposed to be
on July, at which point UM an alien race known
as the exists or men from Planet X would come
to Earth and destroy the world and rid the world
of the quote normals or pinks or Glorps, which are
the non sub genii that inhabit the planet. But you know,
as as you know, time time happens, everyone makes mistakes.

(39:01):
The creators of the Trick of the SubGenius got the
calendar date wrong and apparently looked at it upside down,
So it's actually going to take place in the year
eight six sixty one. Who So that gives them plenty
of padding, you know, their parties up until the new
end of the world come. I love I love SubGenius

(39:23):
because it takes all the wind out of these kind
of into the world death conspiracies you know, and just
sort of like it's a very tongue in cheek and
I'm a big fan. Well yeah, I again, you guys
know that I have a fascination with alternative religious beliefs.
I guess is the most fair way to dance around

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the word cults. But the thing that fascinates me is
that there are so many instances where someone predicts the
end of the world. And you know, apocalypse or an
apocalyptic event does not necessarily mean the end of the world.
We use it that in English today, but what it
means at heart is the revealing of hidden things. So

(40:07):
that revelation right the end of the world. It's become
conflated or synonymous in modern speech, but a lot of
these groups will talk more in terms of a great
spiritual revelation and when they are wrong, if the date
comes and it passes, then there's a wealth of a plethora,

(40:28):
and I am using that word correctly of reasons that
the thing will have to be adjusted. So kudos to
the SubGenius Church for moving and giving themselves a little
bit of a buffer. I hope they make it to
the eight hundreds eight thousands. Okay, So next is someone
who might be a deep cut for some listeners. This

(40:48):
actually might be new to some of you out there,
and we hope you enjoy it. Let's talk about the
Nostradamis of the Balkans, as she is sometimes called. Gonna
have to see her name. Baba Vana, like Baba Yaga,
the Russian witch of folklore, but Baba Vanga. Born Vangelia

(41:11):
Pandeva Dimitrova in January nineteen eleven. She was in She
was born in what was then known as the Ottoman Empire,
and when she was born she was completely normal until
the age of twelve. Yeah, and allegedly, or at least
according to stories, she was blinded during a storm that
occurred when she was only twelve years old. I almost

(41:34):
wanted to seem blinded by the light. No, that's messed up, ben,
and don't do that well. Um, but yeah, So she
was missing for a number of days. At some point
she had that kind of mystical thing where she's disappeared,
but now she's returned. Her eyes were when she returned
sealed shut, and her family couldn't afford to get them fixed,

(41:56):
couldn't take her to the doctor or the Yeah, let's
say the doctor. So she was going to be blind
for the rest of her life, but yeah, she was
going to have that sense replaced, at least according to
her and her supporters. She claimed she began having visions
during the first few days of her disappearance, and that's
a super common trope in you know, historical accounts of

(42:19):
um prophets or sibyls, right, Like, that's a thing, I mean,
the blind prophet, you know, yes, and mythology and literature
and also yeah, in history and leaving and not being
seen for a period of time then returning and then
this completely changed the new thing. And that goes back
to Joseph Campbell, right, I was saying when that that

(42:41):
that period of disappearances when you know, some significant event
took place and changed the person's perspective wherever. Yeah, I
would recommend Hero with a Thousand Faces or Heroes Journey
by Joseph Campbell to learn some more of that. This
happened in real life. She believed that because of her
visions in her quest, she could predict the future and
heal people using otherworldly powers, and scientists and government officials,

(43:05):
not to mention the wealthy, came to visit her for
advice According to the story, she served as an advisor
to the Bulgarian Communist Party leaders, who would ask her
questions to advance their cause. Right in the Great in
the Great Game of geopolitical intrigue, she was kept under
surveillance by the secret police, and politicians and businessmen would

(43:31):
come meet with her. And that I can believe, because
if your secret police, you want to bug those conversations. Yeah,
even if, even if what she's telling them is completely untrue,
just having those individuals in a room speaking, Yeah, we're
gonna bug that if we're in charge. So let's talk
about her specific prophecies, right. According to The Independent, she

(43:54):
allegedly predicted the forty four US president would be black.
Also the last president, which is predictions of who will
be the last president are distressingly common. Uh And I
think a lot of them are made up by people
on the internet. But as well, she is thought to
have predicted uh nine eleven. And we we have the

(44:14):
quote from the Guardian here and here's that image that
seemed to crop up and that was attributed to Notre
damis horror, horror. The American Brethren will fall after being
attacked by the steel birds, the wolves will be howling
in a bush and innocent blood will gush. So clearly
that steel Birds imagery was pilfered from this and kind
of connected with some nostradamous lines and then you know,

(44:37):
thrown out there on the internet. Now, one study, uh,
one one study says that she was accurate. I have
a hard time believing this. This game from Dr Georgie Lozonov,
who is director of the Institute of I'm not making
this up. Suggest ology and parapsychology and Sophia Bulgaria and uh.

(45:00):
He said that I like that word suggest ology, suggests ologies.
Sounds very subgenious, doesn't it. So there's also here's the thing.
Though this was a legit place at thirty staff members.
The Bulgarian government was paying for it. They thought that
a lot of baba Anga's predictive abilities, especially the stuff

(45:22):
where she was looking for lost relatives and friends, were
pretty accurate. However, the issue with this is you can
find it in the methodology. You know. I'll post this
online if anybody wants to check it out. But we've
talked before about parapsychology experiments and how easy it is
to how easy it is to do something that renders

(45:45):
the experiment unsound. Um Anyhow, there's also the additional side
note that many of the people who are close to
bob Avanga during her life claims she never made prophecies
attributed to her on the Internet. She died in nine teen,
and she left behind several other alleged predictions for the future.

(46:06):
Vice has a good Vice has a good article on it,
and we can check in with that maybe towards the
close of the show. Well, let's move on, because I
can't wait to see what other people say about Bob
a Vanka. But we would be remiss if we did
not talk about another um, another profit or seer that
you ladies and gentlemen have asked us to check out

(46:28):
for a while now. Yeah, and it's also getting a
little bit closer to the present day, which is kind
of cool. So it's somebody that actually has stuff written
down about them, perhaps even books that are published with
English that we will be able to understand readily. Right. Oh, Also,
our first English speaker that's correct of this of this run,

(46:49):
and that goes to Mr Edgar Casey. Casey was born
in March of eighteen seventy seven and passed away in January.
He had a pretty interesting alien I guess you could
say which was the sleeping prophet, because he would go
into these trances, these kind of like fugue states reveries
when he was diagnosing illnesses or recounting ancient wisdom. We're

(47:11):
just making these different predictions that that is fascinating to me,
and a lot of the I would say pop culture
references to a lot of things where someone will go
into a trance and then make a prediction like this.
I feel like it's especially in film, goes back to
maybe being influenced by this guy. Also some of the
theatrics of uh, you know, communicating with spirits and the

(47:35):
seance or something where you know, the medium would sort
of rock back and forth and enter into this, uh,
this trance like state and then be inhabited by the
spirit of a past loved one, you know. As we know,
a lot of that was you know, largely theater, but
definitely was a very impactful presentation for folks of the

(47:55):
time for sure. And as we said before, this guy
is very well documented, perhaps the most well documented profit
that we know of, and we even know a lot
about his history growing up in early life, right, Yeah,
you can. You can find various different accounts. We'll read
one from someone who well, we'll read one from Edgar

(48:17):
Casey on Atlantis, which was which contains several statements about
his beliefs regarding Atlantis, delivered under his trance, edited by
the director of the Association for Research and Enlightenment, Hugh
Lynn Casey, a descendant. And we'll also talk about the
A R E a little bit too. So the thing

(48:39):
is that, um, he was supposed to be in his
waking life, pretty good husband's olive father, uh taught Sunday school,
pretty nice guy, gifted protect professional photographer, but when he
was in a trance he became a medical diagnostician, a prophet,
a proponent of biblical lore. So, even as a child

(49:02):
in Kentucky, his parents said that he displayed powers of
perception that seemed to go beyond the five senses. At
the age six or seven, he told his parents he
was able to see and talk to visions, sometimes of
dead relatives. One of my favorite stories about him. His
parents said that he probably had no overactive imagination, But

(49:24):
one of my favorite stories is that apparently he was
able to learn by some sort of strange osmosis Uh.
Sleeping with his head on school books, he got a
photographic memory, which helped him advance rapidly in school. This
faded uh as he grew older, and he was only
able to complete complete the seventh grade of formal education. Uh.

(49:46):
So he started to develop a paralysis of the throat
muscles in and was in his early twenties. Doctors weren't
able to find a cause for this condition, so they
try everything. They tried hypnosis too, and then, in desperation,
Casey apparently asked one of his friends to help him

(50:09):
achieve the same kind of trance he had used when
he was sleeping on school books as a kid. And
then all of a sudden, he uh did the old
diagnose thyself physician kind of thing, and he got medicine
and recommended a therapy that restored his voice shored his throat.
A group of doctors came by and started asking him

(50:32):
to diagnose their own patients. One thing leads to another,
really and uh yeah, and he becomes the sleeping profits.
So when he dies in forty five in Virginia, he
left well over fourteen thousand documented stenographic records of the
statements he had given for more than eight different people

(50:53):
over forty three years. So we got a lot of
stuff on him. So the Association for Research and Enlightenment
which we mentioned exists today. It is a nonprofit organization
founded to facilitate the study of his work. You can
see their website right now. It's Edgar Casey dot org.

(51:13):
I mean, if you're driving or something, don't don't do
it while you're driving and see perhaps he has a
prediction that applies to you, or does he. Because here
is the thing about Edgar Casey, ladies and gentlemen, he
because he is so well documented, we also know a
lot of what he got wrong, not interpretively wrong, but

(51:37):
factually inaccurate. One example that really sticks out is that
he said the pilt Down Man was real, the Piltown
Man being a famous hoax where the jaw of an
orangutang was combined with the cranium of a modern human
to argue that there was this evidence of human evolution

(51:58):
in uh in the area of its discovery, which is
built down in East Sussex. So Edgar Casey, however, said
that this was evidence of an Atlantean race or a
someone who survived in Atlantis or was from Atlantis UH colonizers,

(52:20):
specifically who had traveled to Britain, and in nineteen fifty three,
a little bit after Casey's death, it was exposed as
hopes he read through the Bible entirely each year and
this helped him reconcile his Christian beliefs with the metaphysical

(52:40):
stuff he said while he was in a trance. He's
often called one of the founders of the New Age movement. However,
critics say that he UH. Critics say that he cribbed
some stuff from other authors like Carl Young or Elena
Blovotsky from the Theosophy movement. I don't know if that's

(53:03):
necessarily plagiarism, though. If it is a real trance, people
might just be free associating, you know what I mean.
We've all been in that area between sleep and wakefulness,
where sleep paralysis occurs and where thoughts spring unbidden. You
know you're singing a song you love and then realize
it doesn't exist in the real world and that your
mind is writing it for you. I'm pretty sure I'm
there right now, man. So most of the weirder beliefs

(53:26):
about Atlantis come from Casey. So when you hear people
talk about fantastically advanced civilization brought to Ruin by meddling
with strange powers. Some of that comes from Casey, And
if you would like to learn more about Edgar Casey,
you can again check out their website Edgar Casey dot org.

(53:49):
You can also, let's see, I would there are a
ton of books. Yeah, there are a ton of books,
but I recommend looking at stuff from that society because
at least although they definitely are starting with the opinion
that the guy is correct, h, they're also using the
actual translations, so you won't run into a nostro damis

(54:10):
thing where someone made it up. Okay, that makes sense.
So start with the materials from Edgar Casey dot org
and then maybe move on to another spot, get some
other books and stuff like that. If you really want
to deep delve deep into this. I do like the
head or the header on the pages. Edgar Casey's are
a r E, which stands for Association for Research and Enlightenment,

(54:34):
acted since nineteen thirty one. They do have a health
SWAS center. Did you mention that already? Because you can
go you can go there. I mean, if you really
want to get into this head on out. Where is it?
Where is the main main office? Looks like it's in
Virginia Beach, Virginia Beach, Virginia, right, that's where he was

(54:56):
living at the time. I'm gonna have to see what
the what the scene is like. It would be nice
to it'd be nice to visit that. Here's another prediction
that he got wrong. It seems that the US would
discovering Atlantean death ray, as in a death ray from
the Law Civilization of Atlantis in nineteen Get it wrong

(55:16):
or did he been beat me to the punch? We
don't know at this point. Perhaps sometime we will in
the future. We do want to end, however, on something
a little bit different. We're talking about secrets, so let's
not just talk about another secret. Let's talk about three
at once, and that would be the three Secrets of Fatima.

(55:41):
This is a little bit different because it doesn't involve um,
it doesn't involve lifelong career sort of profits, you know,
like Agre Casey Nos Tre Damas Baba Vanga spent decades
uh making predictions. This, however, is this, however, is something
different that involves apparently divine direct divine intervention. So these

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three young Portuguese shepherds, Lucia Santos primarily and then her
cousins are visited by an apparition of the Virgin Mary
several times, starting on the thirteenth of May nineteen seventeen.
They said they were visited six times between May and
October that year. Now this apparition is popularly known as

(56:29):
Our Lady of Fatima. She entrusted the children with three
secrets in July v Two of these secrets were revealed
in nineteen forty one at the request of a bishop
named Jose Alvas Correa del Silva, and he wanted to
assist with the publication of a new edition of a

(56:53):
book on one of the cousins. As for the third secret,
the bishop ordered her to put it and writing. Lucia
wrote it down, sealed it in an envelope that wasn't
not supposed to be opened until nineteen sixty, when it
would quote appear clearer the text of this third secret.
It was officially released by poop John Paul the Second

(57:15):
in two thousand or or was it because some people
claim that it was not the entire secret, and we
will never know for sure because only a few people
were actually in control of that information, right. Yeah. It
reminds me of when we did some of the we
did some of our earlier episodes on the the Restricted

(57:39):
Material and the Vatican Archives, because the secret archives the
Vatican are real, but they're using secret in a different way.
It's still tricky though, because you can request something if
you know exactly what you're requesting. Yeah. I feel like
someone should make a list of all possible things that
could ever exist and and just submit them daily to

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the Vatican. What what are the what are the secrets? A? Yes,
great question. Okay, So the first secret is a vision
of Hell. I've got some of the text. Our ladies
showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to
be under the earth, plunged in this fire, with demons
and souls in human form like transparent burning embers all

(58:23):
black and there burnished bronze that goes on. The second
was a statement that World War One would end, along
with the prediction of another war during the reign of
Pope Pious. Uh, and then that would happen if Russia
did not convert to Catholicism. Yeah, So basically one is

(58:44):
a vision of hell. One is about communist Russia. Uh,
and then the third one, though the third one, at
least the way it was published, was that there would
be an assassination attempt on Pope John Paul the second
and that's the crazy thing there was, you know. So

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the thing is that there actually was an assassination attempt
on Pope John Paul, which occurred on the thirteenth of
May nine one. You can see a video of that
if you wish, and just head on over to YouTube.
And people have thought about this back and forth. You

(59:29):
know that it is actually a prophecy or is it
just something that would happen because the Pope is up
there with the US President or other heads of state
who would be much more likely than the average person
to have an assassination attempt occur, perhaps even higher because
of the vitriol that you can have between religions. So

(59:52):
in June of two thousand, the that I can finally
release this uh, this secret. But there there have been
several other people who were involved with it who said
that um, that the the handwritten four page text is

(01:00:14):
not the real secret or not the full thing. And
they believe that the third secret is actually composed of
two texts, one of those is the four page published version.
The other is a single page letter containing the real
truth and their Italian journalists like Antonio soshi Um who
say that they have proof that there's a second secret.

(01:00:36):
All right, and here's here's just some of the proof. Quickly.
Uh Lucia Santo says she wrote the message in the
form of assigned letter to the bishop. The text is
supposed to contain words attributed to the Virgin Mary, which
the published one doesn't really the full secret. Bishops working
with Pope Pious, Pope John and Pope Paul all commented

(01:00:57):
that the text was written on one sheet of paper
for and the full secret, according to these people, contains
information about the apocalypse, a great apostasy, and Satanic infiltration
of the Catholic Church. Who and then you would hear
I remember a couple of years ago you heard a
lot about, oh gosh, what is the name of the

(01:01:20):
pope that is prior to the one we currently have.
And then after Pope John Paul, the second was Ratzinger
Ratzing Okay that I remember hearing lots and lots of
people talking about Ratzinger being this version of these prophecies
where he had infiltrated in his group had infiltrated, and
they're evil. That's the thing about prophecies. I mean, it's

(01:01:41):
so easy to let your imagination run wild and use
it to confirm something that you already believe. You know,
like this Pope feels like an outsider or something right,
and to be totally to be totally fair here, one
of the people who served as Vatican Secretary of State
until two third Team, a Cardinal Bertoni, wrote a book

(01:02:03):
called The Last Secret of Fatima and You, published in
Italian English, and it has an interview that touches on
this where the journalists, a journalist named Giuseppe Decarli is
interviewing Um is interviewing the cardinal, and he says, well,
what about this rumor that you're concealing a one page

(01:02:23):
text of the Third Secret that predicts Rome will lose
the faith and become the throne of the Antichrist And
the cardinal I just want to read this to be fair.
The cardinal says, that's absolutely crazy. Are you claiming that
the prophecy of Fatima is about the apostasy of the
Church of Rome and Fatima is a prediction of Rome's
transformation into the throne of the Antichrist, despite the love

(01:02:44):
our lady capitalized, our Lady of Fatima has for the
pope and the popes for our lady. Anyone can write books,
can based on conspiracy theories, on biased interpretations. Anyone can
take sentences out of context and present them as clues
to some supposed plot, to avoid the volt the truth,
and to transmit it in a code that only the
initiates can understand. No, the whole theory you allude to

(01:03:06):
is a fabrication, and this supposedly factual account is actually
the sort of device the Mason's used to invent to
discredit the church. I'm surprised that journalists and writers who
claim to be Catholic let themselves be taken in strong words,
really strong words. Who sounds like somebody I don't. My
brain goes, oh boy, this guy sounds guilty. But well

(01:03:30):
he might also just be irritated with having heard that, right,
I mean, I can imagine how irritating that would be.
But at the same time to fight back that well,
that's also that's our That's where we're ending, just because
this is a thing where it's not as far as
the Catholic Church is concerned. This is not a matter
of interpretation. This is a true for telling of an

(01:03:54):
event before it occurred. And the other three examples um
k C, Bubba Anga and No Stra Damas are all
a little bit more muddy m And I know we
didn't get to everything, but there's so many profits. No,
but it's sure is interesting to have these prophecies like
officially sanctioned by such a you know, an important body

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as you know, the Holy Roman Church. It's pretty intense.
There are a lot of There are a lot of
interesting things that we could talk about regarding the power
structure of the Catholic Church, not the faith or religion
in any way. Uh, we've discussed it a bit in
the past, but there's just some fascinating things I think
we got into when we were talking about possessions and

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the it's just some old things that still exist now
in the Catholic Church. I mean referring to the official exorcise. Yes, yes,
that is that is a true and fascinating thing. We
would like your help, folks. Do you have any profits
that you would like us to look into in the

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future or prophecies, because we'll tell you right Now, one
thing in our experience that occurred was that it was
surprisingly difficult to find some of the actual like the
what what our some of our co workers would call
the actual facts translations? Uh and and to separate the

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chaff from the wheat, you know, the internet echo chamber.
But we would like to hear some more people that
we should check out. And I gotta ask, I gotta
ask you guys. I know that we went on some
tangents and discovered some future episodes we could cover, but
what do you think about upcoming prophecies? And what do

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you what do you think we had talked about this before.
Do you think that software and big data will eventually
be able to do what human beings have been trying
to do predict disasters and changes, big global changes like that.
I mean we've I think so. I think we're gonna
get darn close. I mean, I'm sure there are folks

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are at work at it. Yeah, some of my whole
professors actually, yeah, oh, the the guy who's making the
huge map or the simulation. Yeah, that's super cool. Not
to mention things like predicting trends and you know commerce
in I mean, that's another world. But that's true. So
how do we get in on this? Well, if you

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know how to do this, give us a write us
an email. We'll tell you how to do that in
a minute. Um right, it's like they'll joke about time traveling.
Time Traveler Club meets here two days ago. Yeah, we
meet every every Wednesday or Thursday here, So come join
us in the you know, in the booth. We will
allow you to be on here every every time we record.

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Oh man, what are we gonna do if somebody burst
in and uh Doc Brown style and claims to have
traveled through time or to have a prediction the future.
I would hear them out resolutely. I don't see the harm.
I would give John Teter my seat and give them
a seat. We could just have them pull up another seat. No, no,
I just said, hey man, you go in there. I'm
gonna stay out here. There's there's a chair as an

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extra chair. I don't want any I don't know time radiation,
I don't know. I'm scared of that stuff. All right, Well,
we'll we'll table that for future discussion. Barring any unexpected
time travelers arriving. It's almost time for us to head out.
Do you guys have any message for the New Year. Well,

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I just want to say we all didn't die in
September of There were a lot of people and predictions
being made about something crazy happening at that time, and
they nothing happened. That's good. Maybe we did die and
that we're just like on the Lost Island. Oh how
could you tell? That's kind of cool if this is
the afterlife. I gotta say, Um, I'm I'm having a

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good time. It's not so bad. It's not as bad
as I thought. See, maybe we've always been making this
podcast and we will always be making this podcast. It's
a flat circle, bro, what about you know? Oh yeah,
I don't know. Apparently you're supposed to eat black eyed
peas and color greens and it gives you good financial luck.
So I'm gonna give that a go. Um, mainly, I

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don't know. No, it's been a good year. Um, still
fighting this uh this Christmas croud here. So I I
hope that in the new Year that I don't have
a cold. I hope so too. Man. You know, I
was talking to one of my friends recently and she
said that people were not supposed to eat lobster or
chicken on the New Year because something about like chickens

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walking or how both animals moved backwards or something. I'm
not sure. I didn't sort it out. But then also
I have failed often to eat the collar greens and
black eyed peas both friend of mine just suggested it.
It's like, no, you just just do it. You have
to do it. Yeah, it's ok. I wonder it's a
Southern thing, right, hop and John, Like Hop and John

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the Cuban side of my family, we have to eat
a certain number of grapes right up to the Yeah,
there's a lot of stuff that I have to do.
That's cool. So there we are, guys. We hope that
you have adventures in the New Year's If you are
making resolutions, keep in mind that you are statistically more

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likely to keep a resolution if you make it almost
any other month. Your birthday is really good for resolutions. January,
out of all twelve months, is the worst month to
attempt a resolution. Or don't tell anybody but your diary
or yourself or whatever it is that you use to
write down your resolution. Don't tell a single human being

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or make a resolution to start doing something in February.
Doing it in February, give yourself some breathing like that,
unlike the third February three third, so you have that
one day for the first of the second um two days.
All right, So, folks, we are going to head out.
If you would like to hear our podcast about predicting
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I know we're just honorably mentioned, but still thanks, nerdest.

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