CLASSIC: Slaves to the Sun: Solar Activity and Mass Excitability

We all know weather can affect a person's mood, but just how far does it go? Could the activity of the sun be driving widespread human conflicts throughout history? In tonight's Classic episode, Ben, Matt and Noel explore the bisarre theory Alexander Tchijevsky stumbled across when he found wars across the planet seem to coincide with solar cycles. This prompted him to ask: Is human civilization enslaved to the sun?

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hey, you guys remember how the sun sucks?

Speaker 2 (00:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (00:05):
He was my head. Do America nailed it?

Speaker 2 (00:08):
Then?

Speaker 3 (00:09):
Well?

Speaker 4 (00:10):
Yeah? But see here's the thing. It really does, especially
right now in July in the Atlanta Greater metropolitan area.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
It's a sun very much, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (00:21):
Yeah. Look, I'm not kidding. My ac is out right
now as we're recording this. But also, but also the
sun kinda does allow for all life on this planet.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Oh it time.

Speaker 5 (00:37):
There's no wonder that cultures throughout history have worshiped it.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
Sure, but it's quite a toxic relationship.

Speaker 6 (00:44):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (00:44):
Not very much? Man, I'm so tired of the sun.
But personal opinions aside. Back in twenty twenty, we all
got together and did our usual brain trust and I
think we were Dave and Busters and asking ourselves whether
I'm just doing DMB references and asking whether the weather

(01:06):
can affect an individual's mood, and if that is true,
can that weather can it have a larger knock on
consequence to full scale social movements?

Speaker 5 (01:21):
And we're not just talking about being bummed because it's
really really hot. We're talking about psychological impacts of the
movement of celestial bodies, for example, and various forces that
that may subject we puny humans too.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
Are we talking about solar cycles and wars?

Speaker 1 (01:40):
We very much are. This is a theory proposed by
a guy named Alexander chijet Ski Chijetski Chijevski.

Speaker 4 (01:51):
Let's see how we pronounce it in the episode Oh.

Speaker 6 (01:55):
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Speaker 1 (02:06):
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Speaker 4 (02:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is My
name is Noah.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Paul Mission Control deck, and most importantly,
you are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know here alive for us, at least
in a beautiful, beautiful rainy afternoon here in our fair
metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia. It's dreary, it's gray, it's rainy.

(02:52):
Flip on the Shirley Manson if you're only happy when
it rains. This is like the setting for a murder.

Speaker 3 (02:58):
Mystery, although from where we sit right now, we would
know because we're encased in a box made of sort
of plywood and foam. That's inside of a concrete room
that's covered in wood paneling and also acoustic foam. And
then we're in a sort of a dark cave outside
of that.

Speaker 4 (03:14):
We should say I've been in the cave all day.
I had noidy was raining today ice.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's also in this This entire apparatus is inside a
giant concrete building itself.

Speaker 3 (03:23):
Also true.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, it takes us, I guess it takes us about
three minutes to figure out what the weather is, just
to get out and go to where the outside windows are.

Speaker 3 (03:31):
Do you think it means we're being shielded against radiation
though to a degree? Yeah, well, and that's that's a
net positive, I would say.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Other than the radiation all our electronics. But that's a
that's a very good question, especially for today's episode. Now,
you know, people have the weather is a very personal
thing for a lot of people, but it's a safe
thing you can talk about with almost anyone. And in
these our interesting times, weather has become even more of

(03:59):
a extraordinary topic because the times and the climbs are changing.

Speaker 3 (04:03):
Right, you don't need a weatherman to know it's where
the wind blows.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
It's true and you know what past a certain past
about two weeks. Those meteorologists are almost like alchemist, you know, sure,
because so much stuff can happen. It's not their fault.
I wanted to be a weatherman for a long time.

Speaker 4 (04:18):
But those models are becoming so sophisticated. It's pretty cool.
Which models the ones that they're using AI to Yes, okay,
I mean Watson is all up in the weather.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
Yeah, but can they gesture convincingly at a green screen map, Matt,
I ask you.

Speaker 4 (04:35):
I'm just saying the models themselves are better. Like the
two week thing is like still there, but you could
just watch it develop now at a better resolution.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Maybe not for that two week limit. Might not be
it might be a think of the past sooner or
rather than later. But you know, for a lot of
people here in Atlanta, for Peak, behind the curtain, the
rain is just laid out now. People are tired of
the rain. They've done all their rainy day stuff. They
want some sunshine, right I am. Of course, My ancient

(05:08):
nemesis is the sun, So I love it. Whenever that
guy is not directly at me, you know what I mean?
I understand, And that's like I think a lot of
people can agree, but a lot of people love sunshine.
So to get our minds off the weather it is
going to rain all week here, we're going to explore
a seemingly benign concept, sunshine, sunlight, sunny days. We've been

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inspired by a lovely email from a fellow conspiracy realist, Reba.

Speaker 4 (05:37):
It says, Hey, chaps, forgive me if you've already covered it,
as I've only started listening to your podcast and reviewing
your past subjects very recently. But have you investigated the
relationship between solar activity and its effect on mass excitability
and human health? It's a dang interesting subject. I'm currently
reading Solar History, The Connection of Solar activity, war, peace,

(05:59):
and the Human Mind in the Second Millennium by Sasha Dobbler,
which is a bit poorly written, awkwardly academic and roughly edited,
but full of interesting information and statistical significance.

Speaker 3 (06:09):
Ouch.

Speaker 4 (06:10):
Well yeah, if you haven't, well you consider doing the
research and making an episode. In any case, keep up
the great work, hugs and high fives Riba.

Speaker 3 (06:19):
It does sound like the book contained enough of a
spark of inspiration that at least got Riba started, So
you got to give a credit for that, even if
it's construction left something to be.

Speaker 4 (06:29):
Desired, And we left book recommendations here on the show.
So thank you very much Reba for both listening, checking
out our show and all that, and sending us a
cool recommendation.

Speaker 1 (06:38):
And here are the facts. First, what is solar activity?
The Sun is this enormous, beautiful, dangerous, deadly thing. And
regardless of what we do with our time on Earth,
we the living all know that if things continue on
their present course, the Sun will eventually consume this little
rock we call home.

Speaker 4 (07:00):
Yeah, as as this article on neuro research projects dot
com says, the Sun giveth, the Sun taketh.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Away, it's too true, assuming we might somehow avoid all
the other terrible things that very well could happen between
now and the end of the rock. You know that
stuff like gamma ray bursts, that stuff like a rogue
object in space just smacking the tar out of us.
No matter what happens, in about seven and a half

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billion years or so, we're ballparking here, the Sun will
transform into a red giant. It will expand, and it's
just its size alone, will be will will will engulf
the orbit of.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Earth, willn't make Earth unlivable long before it actually engulfs it,
though yes, yeh.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
No worries humans will be long gone by then will
either be extinct or whatever evolves from us will be
out there deep in the ink, exploring the stars. This
is like watching a long but really good movie and
already knowing who the killer is at the end. And
you know, could we even call this a killer because
with with this point about human beings being long gone,

(08:12):
when the Sun finally eats our planets, how love crafty
and it feels like maybe the Sun is relegated to
one of those villains who shows up in a post
credit stinger.

Speaker 4 (08:22):
Hmm, I could see that, but it's also the main
character because the Sun, the star around which we orbit,
is the reason why life exists on this planet, or
it's one of the primary reasons it exists. So it
is like that, it's like that movie Mother, Yeah, but
we're the babies.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Whoa, you're talking about the infamous baby.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
It's not like that, Or it's like it's similar to that.
What was that Robert de Niro film from years back
where he's an investigator Angel Heart, Angel Heart, Yeah, and
he finds out like I'm the person that is chasing
all along.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Wait, no, he's the devil in Angel Heart.

Speaker 1 (08:59):
Oh no, wait, the who's Mickey Mickey Rourke? Right right
right there it is.

Speaker 3 (09:03):
And Lisa Bonet has a quite steamy love making scene
where she is drenched in chicken blood. I gotta say
I didn't like Robertson Yuro's devil. He's got a Really,
isn't his name like Lewis Cipher?

Speaker 4 (09:18):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (09:18):
I think it's Lewis Cipher.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
His whole infernal nature is shown in his weird finger nails.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
Weird creepy fingernails like he's got. Yeah, it's an interesting movie.
The Alan Parker, who directed a pink Floyd the Wall
worth your time, but yes, does not particularly age.

Speaker 1 (09:35):
Well, yeah, I love this kind of stuff too. Give
me a good, a good modern Faustian devil tail shout
out to uh the Devil's advocate.

Speaker 4 (09:45):
That one.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
So he's saying the sun is almost simultaneously God and
the devil in one in a weird way.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Right, And a lot of early religions agree.

Speaker 3 (09:55):
With us because it's like our biggest proponent and sorry,
it's given us our biggest atta boy and saying, hey,
you guys down there on Earth. Good job. I'm making
this happen for you, but you know, I also might
be your ultimate demise.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
The Sun is our abusive parent, is one other way
to sum it up. So you know, for better or worse,
we're along for just a little bit. We're along for
the ride, and there's something beautiful about that. Very David Attenborough,
very Planet Earth documentary. For the vast majority of life
on Earth, the Sun is an ubiquitous, crucial presence, at.

Speaker 4 (10:27):
Least for all the life that's listening to this right now.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
Well, we can assume, I think plausibly, we.

Speaker 4 (10:34):
Can assume you're right until Okay.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
We might be big with the deep sea event crowd.

Speaker 4 (10:38):
I don't know, okay, I was just thinking more along
the lines of well, no, even then, if it was
a machine, there's likely a solar solar power component. Once
the machines are listening to this.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Sure, sure, unless we're far off along in the future
that our demographic has somehow become nuclear powered, synthetic machine
gun just this, in which case, thanks for tuning in. Yeah,
tell us what happens in the future. Right now, we
have the Sun. It's the big it's the big engine

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powering life on Earth. It's a gigantic ball made up
of thermon nuclear explosions. It's only ninety three million miles
away from us, and it is responsible for the continuation
of life as we know it full stop.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
And you know, we think of it as a as
a very cohesive thing. Oh look, there's the Sun, like
it's got this inherent stability to it. But that's not
quite the case at all. If you've got a really
close look at it, it would look like you know,
the depths of Hell basically, with roiling explosions and inferno,
just constantly shifting like a sea of fire.

Speaker 4 (11:46):
And if you want to take a close look at it,
I would recommend, as I generally do when we do
an episode that involves the Sun in any way, is
head over to spaceweather dot com. It's one of my
favorite websites. You can go there and actually see the
latest videos from all of the varying solar satellites that
exist out there, where you can actually watch the Sun

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and roil around like hell fire, or just.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Like look at it directly, like right into it with
your eyes. Now, don't do that, I'm.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Kidding you hit me to that site years and years ago, Matt,
and I remain grateful. I was actually I was digging
into some of this. I had that just playing because
you can just pull it up and yeah, it's there's
something peaceful about all that chaos so far away.

Speaker 4 (12:33):
Oh yeah, you you will begin to get obsessed with
coronal holes and mass ejections and all kinds of fun
things if you start going on that website.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
The Sun is what we call a magnetic variable star.
It fluctuates on weird time scales, ranging from as short
as a fraction of a second to billions and billions
of years. It's full in short of wait for it, activity.
So what is solar activity that that's your quest To
answer your question for you, But we have to figure

(13:02):
out that part first.

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Yeah, it's like an umbrella term, really, isn't it. That
kind of refers to everything from flares solar flares we
talked about, to those coronal mass ejections you were talking
about in that, to high speed solar winds and solar
energetic particles. Solar activity really is the sum of all
variable and short lived disturbances on the Sun. So sun spots,

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for example, and prominences count as a solar activity as well.

Speaker 4 (13:34):
Prominences are weird.

Speaker 1 (13:35):
Well, yeah, I kicked that to us.

Speaker 4 (13:37):
So, like a sun spot if you're if you're looking
at it looks like a spot on the Sun where
there's kind of a hole. Essentially, it looks like there's
a hole in the Sun's surface there and then and
it's really interesting because when there's a whole sun spot,
a lot of times you're gonna have higher frequencies of
solar wind and basically particles coming out from closer to

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the middle and center of the Sun. But you got
these things called prominences, and it looks like flame whip
maybe giant flame whip. It's a good way to describe it.
Very scientific. Yeah, and sometimes those whips when like you'll

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see it occur where a prominence will kind of happen
and then some of that stuff that, uh, the the
solar activity stuff, it actually shoots out sun stuff. Sun
stuff just shoots out and.

Speaker 3 (14:31):
Then it snatches gand off off the ledge and flings
them down into the pit of ultimate despair, sometimes.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
The whole time making a very deep cthulhu Azito esque.
That's what the sun sounds like.

Speaker 4 (14:46):
Yeah, almost always, it's so weird. We don't expect it,
but that stuff is really dangerous. Uh, we will talk
about it more later.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Well, let's we've talked about danger, let's ask ourselves how
does the sun affect you? You might be someone saying, look, guys,
I've been your n essay in turn for years now.
They're not letting me out of the bunker. I see
the sun on television.

Speaker 3 (15:09):
What does it mean to me?

Speaker 1 (15:11):
The answer might seem obvious, but it bears thinking about.
Let's look at the pros of sunlight acts well as
the cons Huh, it's not just skin cancer. And to
spoil it just a bit here as a somewhat anti
sun person.

Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah, okay, Well, well let's start with your positivity. The
sun can in fact affect you in a way that
would make you feel more positive.

Speaker 1 (15:37):
Mm hm So I so many songs about sunshine or
about how it puts you in a good mood. There's
science behind it.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, that science actually proves that sunlight can put people
in a better state of mind. When you encounter sunlight,
your brain releases serotonin, is that feel good chemical. That's
part of why hanging around outdoors can to your mood,
even your creativity. And lower your stress without sunlight when

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we really we really need sunlight to a degree, some
people can experience type of depression called seasonal effective disorder.
And I'm not laughing at the constort. I just love
that the acronym is sad, that people get sad when
there's no sunshine.

Speaker 4 (16:19):
And we have talked about that before, about how that
giant ball of nuclear fire can affect us and make
us a little bit depressed as it parts continuously over
seven more plus billion years.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
No wonder people worship it. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (16:36):
Well, yeah, but here's the other thing. You get this
stuff that we have humans have called vitamin D. It's
something that your body actually generates because the sunlight is
basically activating.

Speaker 1 (16:48):
Yeah, vitamin D. It's huge. It's real popular with the
human body nowadays. And it does not occur in a
ton of other in a ton of other places, like
a ton of food sources. That's why you get it
from either sunlight or vitamin D supplements or in certain
fortified foods vitamin D milk. Right, Yeah, This vitamin D

(17:09):
connection is so crucial though, because yeah, you know, vitamin
D helps strong bones. Your pe teacher was telling you
the truth at least in that respect. That's why you
gotta drink your sunny D. Hmm yep, skip the purple stuff.
But vitamin D also decreases chances of developing things like
multiple sclerosis or pancreatic cancer. And there are plenty of

(17:31):
other positives.

Speaker 4 (17:32):
Oh yeah, you know photosynthesis.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
There we go.

Speaker 4 (17:35):
That's a big deal. It's crazy.

Speaker 3 (17:37):
I mean, you can you know, recreate it.

Speaker 4 (17:39):
But but we get to breathe.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
It's so hot right now, breathing it's so hot right now.

Speaker 3 (17:44):
So in well, I just mean even like you know, plants,
the way plants are able to get so much nourishment. No, no, no,
but we're also talking about how trees through this process
generate oxygen to help us continue it. It's all this weird,
like seemingly made just for us kind of system. It's
almost too coincidental. It's very strained. That's the kind of
stuff that really does make you ask the big questions

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about God and the universe and stuff.

Speaker 4 (18:09):
You know, why, because it's all connected or something now
just system.

Speaker 3 (18:12):
Because yeah, just well yeah, yeah, I see you're being sarcastic.

Speaker 1 (18:16):
Would I would also I would also point out that
we have the benefit of not being around for billions
of years of trial and error. Yeah, sure we didn't
see all the stuff that totally like didn't work or
worked for a while. But yeah, clearly, clearly the world
is a better place with the sun. Even I can
admit that. But I do want to point out that

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there are cons of sunlight. Yes, skin cancer right. According
to Darryl re Reigel, who's a doctor of dermatology at
New York University, one American dies every hour from skin cancer.
You overwhelming majority of these cancers are caused by overexposure
to UV light. There's no question about it. Yet he
warns against going full vampire, and he says this doesn't

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mean you should inside all day or that there aren't
plenty of health benefits to being outdoors. Just have to
balance everything, use common sense to protect yourself. If you're
if you're given to super freckles like me and Matt,
you may as well you probably as well, right.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
I admit it.

Speaker 1 (19:17):
Yeah, if you're given, I'm so glad. Freckles are okay, now.

Speaker 3 (19:20):
Super freckles. Yeah, is that just like big old frecks?

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Yeah, it's well, it's it's a preponderance of freckles.

Speaker 3 (19:28):
I see the cluster.

Speaker 4 (19:29):
There's no such thing on my body that is not freckles.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Oh, yeah, you've got there. Yeah, you're there too.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
So how did all three of us freckled fellows end
up on one talkie talker?

Speaker 3 (19:42):
We also have this practically the same birthday.

Speaker 4 (19:45):
Paul out there too. Just show me your arms, Paul, No,
show me those freckles.

Speaker 1 (19:51):
I don't believe it.

Speaker 4 (19:52):
Oh it's all it is on his face.

Speaker 1 (19:54):
No, he draws those on.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Oh he is. He's drawing more right now, snapchat Phil.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
So so uh, you do have to protect yourself. Some
people more than others, but everybody needs protection. You don't
want to live your entire life in scorching sunlight. Also,
a lot of people don't know this. There is a
summer version of sad. It has different effects. But when
your circadian rhythms are messed up by a few hours

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more or less of sun each day, you can you
can swing into a summer version of sad. And this one,
you know, seasonal effective disorder for the winter makes people
a little more lethargic, a little slower, tend to listen
to more emo music. But summer sad means you're you're
kind of jittery, you're squirrely, You're you're irritated, you're on edge,

(20:44):
hot down summer in this you know.

Speaker 3 (20:46):
Oh that's a classic, is that, Mungo Jerry? No, that's different.

Speaker 4 (20:49):
I'm thinking in the summer time, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Popular summers. Are you guys aware of these uh, these
seasonal effective disorder lamps? Yeah, that are meant to replace sunlight,
especially in cities where winter is just very bleak and
the sun is blotted out practically for months at a time,
where it's so oppressively cold you can't go outside. It
really does get to some people. And there are these

(21:13):
lamps that supposedly help kind of kick your circadian rhythm
in the butt and kind of, you know, make sure
that you don't get the sads. I've heard mixed things
as far as how they you know, are, how effective
they are, But they are a thing, and some people
swear about them.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
They work, and they're used in Scandinavian schools.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Yes, I remember talking about that last time. That's that's
really good stuff. Check it out. There's some I mean
a lot of the stuff I found was trying to
sell these types of lights, but there is some cool
research that you stumble upon as well.

Speaker 1 (21:43):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Look Additionally, while I'm just while I've
just taken shits on the sun. Additionally, if you live
in a sunny polluted area dense with cars and factories,
a lovely sunshine is making the air you breathe even filthier,
even more dangerous because UV rays trigger the release of

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small forming chemicals. They were linked to asthma and earlier mortality,
also linked to stroke and heart disease. Also last thing,
of course, we alluded to it earlier. The sun can
obviously harm your eyes.

Speaker 3 (22:18):
But you know, what if there's more to the story.
Some of the stuff that we're talking about on the
surface not particularly surprising, but what if there is more
to the way the sun influences are our bodies, in
our brains, and just how much can it affect us?

(22:38):
And does it affect us? Could solar activity actually be
responsible for mass behavioral changes?

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Well, yeah, and the underlying thing is kind of what
Reba got to in the email. There can the sun
be some secret cause for strife and war and bad
things happening on large scales for humanity? Well, we're gonna
exploit it. Right after a quick word from our sponsor.

Speaker 1 (23:12):
Here's where it gets crazy. Why does history repeat itself?
This is a question to the scientist, to Alexander Tchijevsky
asked himself in the early twentieth century. He hypothesized that
armed conflicts human armed conflicts cycle and connection to solar events.

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In other words, Tchijevsky asked, does human war ebb and
flow according to the whims of the sun. Tchijevsky completed
his PhD at Moscow University in nineteen eighteen, and this
was the year that Lenin. This was a year after
rather that Lenin sees power during the Russian Revolution. So

(23:54):
he wrote his thesis on the topic of something called
periodicity in the world wide process. This examined the recurrence
of certain events throughout history. Right, that's his original question,
why does history seem to repeat itself? And he looked
for causes for these recurrences. Here's the gist of his argument.

(24:16):
It gets We'll get in the weeds a little, but
it's worth it. It goes back to chemistry.

Speaker 3 (24:20):
I keep seeing his name and I want to pronounce
it Tchaikovsky's It's very close. It's Chazevsky.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:26):
And he argued that if we can reduce the entirety
of human psychology to a bunch of physico chemical processes
in our brains. That's just a fancy term that means
things relating to physics and chemistry or physical chemistry. Then
we can assume that, like other physical chemistry processes in

(24:48):
the natural world, the ones in our brains can be
directly influenced by their surroundings. And this gets really close
to the old the Gaya argument. So that Earth and
all that's on it can be considered one single super organism,
all existing I guess some sort of sort of symbiotic
flux with the surface of the Earth and the Earth itself.

Speaker 1 (25:10):
Yeah, like the way your circulatory system is not discrete
from your nervous system. They all kind of team up
in a weird Avengers thing to make.

Speaker 4 (25:19):
You you wow, all of us, the life living on
this rock, we're just the weird little organs that are
separated and oh, come together and create houses and.

Speaker 1 (25:33):
At least in at least in the case of our
brand of primate, it's a pretty good argument that we're
either vestigial or just deletorious. But you know, still, we're
all We're all sharing this oversized bungalow called earth together
and maybe, you know, maybe it's true, maybe we all

(25:53):
are one. But but I think that's an excellent explanation
if we He had addresses the nature of consciousness right,
and he says, what if your mind is just a
series of chemical things happening, right? And if that is true,
then that means that it is these processes must be

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similar to the things that happen in the world around us,
and those things, of course are influenced by other adjacent
or nearby processes. So if this is all true, then
this means in his mind that war does not develop
necessarily due to human foibles, That the fault may not

(26:36):
lie just in ourselves, The fault may lie in the stars.
To bastardize Shakespeare, this means that war develops in accordance
with these pre existing natural cycles that were here before
we were. And so for Tchijevski, it's just a matter
of figuring out which natural laws actually affect us. So

(26:58):
where to start, because there are a thousands of natural laws, right,
we know, thousands of different things occur on all sorts
of scales.

Speaker 4 (27:04):
So he went big, Yeah, he looked up and went, ah,
that's bright. Maybe that thing and here's the deal. For centuries,
humans have known that the Sun itself just in observing
it for all the time that we have been we
know that the Sun has cycles that it goes through,

(27:25):
and it's just cycling through how much activity is occurring
on the Sun and how little activity is occurring on
the Sun. And with these cycles, when there's a large
amount of activity that's occurring, as we talked about before,
a lot of sun spotting, a lot of prominences, a
lot of things going on that it's the Sun. You

(27:45):
have to think about it in this way. The Sun
is emitting things outwards, right, that's generally what's occurring. Not
a lot of stuff headed into the Sun, unless you
got a comment that happens to be off course, or
you know, smaller pieces of rock or some kind of
asteroid that just happens to end up locked into its
gravity and just gets way too close. Mostly the Sun

(28:06):
is shooting stuff out. So when it does that, it's
actually affecting the Earth itself. When you're thinking about geomagnetic storms,
things like that, radiation that's actually hitting the planet, and
there are a lot of other things too. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Yeah, So he says, look, this stuff is happening all
the time, it has some sort of semi predictable cycle.
And because it's happening on such a large scale, if
it like this would be one of our top suspects
for a natural process physico chemical process that could affect

(28:42):
a bunch of people at once have a global influence.
And this is the rough sketch of what Chijevski called heliobiology.
So the question is I mean, like neat idea, Right,
that's a cool thesis. If I were on his board
or whomever approved him, I would think this guy, you know,
I don't know if it's true, but this guy's cool, right,

(29:03):
I would want to take your class.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Well, yeah, it's certainly out of the box way of thinking,
or maybe just an ancient way of thinking, right.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
Perhaps, Yeah, So let's look at how it measures up.
Tchijevsky ultimately says, the regular occurrence of historical events of
history repeating itself can be linked to the Sun's cycle,
which is about eleven years eleven year ish, and that's
the periodic change in solar activity measured by things like

(29:31):
you mentioned, Matt, like the number of sun spots, the
changing levels of solar radiation, and so on. So this
guy went back through history. He started at the fifth
century BCE, and he went all the way up to
nineteen fourteen, and from that, during that time period, he
divides human history into eleven year cycles, kind of following
the sun. And then he further divides each of those

(29:53):
eleven year cycles into four periods, and he attempts to
create a predictive model of what happens.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
So this is what he came up with, this notion
of minimum excitability, which according to Tajeski, lasts for three
years and is characterized by indifference of the masses to
political matters and when the masses you know, humanity uh,
and autocratic rule by a minority. This fascinating stuff, This
concept of the growth of excitability. The second period that

(30:24):
lasts for two years and is marked by the emergence
of new ideas and the agitation of the masses.

Speaker 4 (30:30):
Oh yeah, well, guess what. Now you've got maximum excitability.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
This is the climactic moment, is.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
The one you've been waiting for. And in this period
it's about again, according to Tijefski, about three years long.
And in this you see the real bad stuff go down. Revolts, revolutions, insurrections,
the stuff that societies are torn down from and built
up from. Yes, and this is you know, at least

(31:00):
according to the research here, this third period corresponds to
this peak of the solar cycle, the sun cycle. And
when you you know, when you see this, as we
said before, you're gonna see more sun spots, you're gonna
see more coronal mass ejections, more solar flares. And this
is that solar cycle. We just have to jump in
here really quickly and say the solar cycles are an

(31:23):
accepted thing.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
They are real.

Speaker 4 (31:25):
Yeah, the solar cycle itself is a real thing.

Speaker 1 (31:27):
We're on solar cycle twenty four, we're going into twenty five,
and we count them starting from seventeen fifty five.

Speaker 4 (31:35):
Again spaceweather dot com.

Speaker 3 (31:36):
It reminds me, Matt, you need to get sponsored.

Speaker 4 (31:39):
By this website. I think I'm just gonna start working
there soon.

Speaker 3 (31:41):
I think you should, but we don't want to lose you.
So can you just moon light there on the side
just for your own personalification?

Speaker 4 (31:47):
Oh? Y, I like it.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
Oh gosh, sorry I stepped right into that one. No,
you know, this reminds me of and then this is
maybe I don't want to sound like I'm being down
on it, but it sounds like he's doing the thing
that like, you know, medieval doctors did where they lined
up like the humors and the levels of various like
bile in people's body with like different types of maladies.

(32:09):
You know, this seems that kind of imprecise, sort of
like conjecture where you're almost like sort of a loose
connection of a real concept with this idea of a
thing that's connected to it, with a little bit lacking
in real hard science to back it up.

Speaker 4 (32:25):
You know, it may feel that way, but we've only
just begun. My goodness, that's fair.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I have some yeah, I personally have some reservations there,
but to finish this cycle, because we only made it
to the three, the fourth one is the final period
three years of decreasing excitability. This is, again, to Jijefski,
is characterized by an increasing apathy amongst the masses and

(32:50):
a tendency toward peace now it is. It's important to note, though,
that he did not claim humans were mentally enslaved to
the sun. I fell in love with this friend like
humans being this concept of humans being enslaved by the sun,
so I used it way too often working on this Instead,
he says, the sun influences people. Here's the vagary. You'll

(33:13):
love to do something. And it just happened that the
bloodthirsty warlords of the past and the bloody solutions they proposed,
whatever problem they had, We're just, you know, time and
time again, the path of least resistance. They were the
easiest thing to do. What are you going to ask
people to vote? Nobody's got time for that. Let's kill
some people.

Speaker 4 (33:32):
Sure, remind me to bring up projection theory later before
we finish. Okay, yes, somebody say, projection theory before this
episode ends, or I'll forget.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
I make no promises, but I will do my very best.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
Okay, I do promise. Don I get there. I'll make
sure that this does not go un seid.

Speaker 3 (33:48):
Projections like that.

Speaker 4 (33:50):
Yeah, hey, Mat, have those projections and I'll go, yes,
do you have theories?

Speaker 1 (33:54):
You know, I'll e ope into it. So, okay, So
that's the idea. You can see you can that it is,
as you said, Matt, innovative. We can also see that
just from how we've explained it now, it leaves a
lot to be desired if we're looking at it through
the lens of science. So we have to ask ourselves,
is it true. We're gonna kind of answer this question

(34:15):
after a word from our sponsors, and we have returned,
all right, spoiler alert. During his lifetime, Chijewski was unable
to scientifically prove any link between large scale human activity

(34:36):
and the cycles of the sun.

Speaker 4 (34:38):
However, he was able to, at least when he was
charting it out, map some really compelling connections there of
the time. I mean, it felt compelling to me, but again,
it's just taking two variables or two things and just
putting it side to side, similar to what Noel was
saying there. But when you're maybe if you're in it

(35:01):
or you're close enough to it, yeah, the whole thing
just feels like, oh this connects here. Oh this makes sense.

Speaker 3 (35:07):
What makes me think of the way people like put
so much emphasis on the zodiac. When you look at it,
there are a lot of really interesting connections with personality
types and things that are associated with certain signs. But
is it just kind of no you know what I'm saying,
man Like, I mean I have had people present to me,
oh this sign is like this, You're right, my friend

(35:27):
Steve is exactly that way, you know, like whatever a
virgo or what have you. Yeah, it's when you're painting
with broad enough strokes, there's going to be some synchronicities,
as I think, is what's going on kind of here,
you know.

Speaker 1 (35:39):
Yeah, I'm gonna get some flak for this. But I
at one time had a gig writing horoscopes. Entirely I
wanted to write features for this outfit, but they asked
me if I believed in horoscopes. I said not really,
and so they hired me to write the horoscope section.
That's smart, Well, I guess, but you know, I would

(36:00):
rate astrology in the realm of personal beliefs. Believe the
world is tough, it's cold, you got to bring your
own heat, you got to bring your own light. In
a lot of figurative ways. So whatever it takes to
get you from one day to the next.

Speaker 4 (36:13):
According to to my horoscope app that I recently downloaded,
is it the one?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
Is it just a sun sign, because then it's all
three of us? Or did you put in like your
time and your geography.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
It's just co star and it's just it's yeah, it's
got when I was born, which is a weird time.
You guys, I didn't realize I was born in a
very weird time in my life.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
But that's it.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
That was great to the very beginning. That's so much promise, Matt.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
You were It is true that you were born an infant.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
It's true, it says, it says. I feel big hearted
right now. I need to give myself permission to spend
time with my best friend or partner. I need to
show up for myself and for others.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
That's it, Okay, okay, Well I'm here to say it
really really hits home. Yeah, it's it's right up there
with You're a fascinating unique person because sometimes you want
to do things and you do them, and sometimes you
want to do things and you don't.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Whoa.

Speaker 1 (37:08):
You like things that are likable and dislike things that
are dislike. You know what, I'm now in defense of astrology,
and I want to get us too derailed here in
defense of astrology and my close friends who are strict
adherents to that, to that system of belief or interpretation.
The common defense is going to be something like, well,

(37:30):
the astrology articles you read in your local paper or
on a website are just going to be the twelve
basic sun signs right, and they're gonna come out once
a month or once a week and they'll advise you
from there and that. To get a better understanding of this,
one needs to do what you've done, Matt, which is
look at like the specific coordinates of where you were

(37:51):
born on the planet, the position of the other heavenly bodies,
and then the exact time of your birth.

Speaker 4 (37:57):
So I got, didn't it? I read that? I just
got after I drilled down that deep into exactly where
I was born.

Speaker 1 (38:07):
I feel like it's a little unfair because you're a
big hearted dude in general. You're like, you're a kind person.

Speaker 4 (38:12):
Do you want me to read the other one where
it says I'm having problems with love and sexuality.

Speaker 1 (38:18):
Wow, so they gave me both.

Speaker 4 (38:20):
You know.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
For people or fans of astrology, I would recommend, if
you're interested in other astrological systems, checking out the Mayan horoscope.
Remember I used to have a program to do that,
and it was great because sometimes it would just tell
some people that they were cursed because they were born
on a bad day, because in that particular maybe it

(38:42):
was aztech, but in that particular meso American belief system
there were no such things as accidents, So if you accidentally,
you know, tripped and hurt somebody, then you would be
treated as though you had a purposely planned and attack them.

Speaker 4 (38:55):
WHOA.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
But anyway, and we still don't understand gravity. We don't
understand gravity affects the human brain. So there may be
some infinitesimal gravitational pull in the developing brain based on
the positions of heavenly bodies that could alter the personality
in some way. That's my best scientific defense of astrology.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Hey, well, astrology in that In that way aside, let's
talk about this guy's research, because while he didn't, you know,
he wasn't able to really connect these two things, human
behavior and solar cycles in a concrete way. There's like
people haven't stopped attempting to make some kind of connection there.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Right decades after his death, thanks for getting us back
on track. Sorry about that. Decades after his death, continuing
research shows that there may be some sand to at
least the bones of his ideas, the structure of it there.
There may be there may be some some siding and

(39:55):
roofing to the bungalow. So neuroscientists over to demant Ha
shown they can influence people's moral decisions through the use
of magnets. Magnets can, as we know from any like
TMS or TCDs fans, we know that magnets can disrupt
parts of your brain, change the way it functions. There's

(40:19):
very compelling evidence that you can create the feeling of
being in the quote unquote zone through the use of
these kinds of stimulations electromagnetic simulation. It's probably still under
the realm of don't try this at home. I got
really close to you know, I built one. Yeah, it's
which was dumb to do, but I stopped using it

(40:42):
because as there's fairly compelling evidence that has damaging long
term cognitive effects. You can be cool for a short term,
pretty smart and stuff, but then twenty years later who
knows anyway, So we know we know that's true. We
know what that proves to us is that electromagnetic processes

(41:06):
can affect the human mind. So at least one assumption
of this guy seems valid.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
Well, and as we have discussed previously on this show,
when you're thinking about the magnetosphere, the essentially the way
the Earth functions as a giant dipole magnet, I mean
it's bigger than that. It's more complex than that. But
if you look at it, the actual magnetics of what

(41:32):
the Earth is generating and then how that gets gets
affected by solar wind and the Sun itself and everything.
Where the magnetosphere can change shape, where it can have
there could be less shielding essentially, and or more shielding
depending on what's occurring. If that tDCS, you know, connection

(41:53):
with the human brain is there, I could totally see
how there would be a connection there. Maybe it's just
not as solid as Tchizevski was hoping.

Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, it doesn't go all the way to proving what
he said that essentially that war is a natural cyclical process,
just like a sun cycle. That's what he said, and
that's a lot. But what we do know is that
we have, years after his death, we have proven that
electro magnetic activity can affect the human mind. Let's introduce

(42:26):
another character, a guy named Abraham Laiboth.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
Yeah, he was a professor at Oakland University in the
physics department, and he had been studying the effects of
electromagnetism on human health since the late nineteen sixties. So
what he does is he studies tiny magnetic fields that
are generated by people that are capable of being affected
by these extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields. E LF's elves,

(42:58):
elves elves, and these are extremely low frequency electromagnetic fields
in people's environments that can pick up or disturbances in
the Earth's magnetic field. And he's done experiments on how
these disturbances might affect social behavior as well.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
Yeah, yes, so here's what his theory is. He's created
this electromagnetic theory of consciousness, and similar to Tchaijevski, he says, okay,
consciousness is a product of these small magnetic fields that
are generated by neurnal flows in the brain. He says

(43:37):
that this magnetic field is probably minuscule. It's it's around
like one hundred nano tesla, which, without getting two in
the weeds, just so you know, is very we're talking
very small time. I'm very very small time.

Speaker 4 (43:52):
Smaller than a micromachine's version of a tesla.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
Smaller than a bread box, right, I still I don't
know much about bread boxes, but smaller.

Speaker 3 (44:00):
I think it's designed to hold a single loaf of bread.

Speaker 5 (44:03):
There we go.

Speaker 3 (44:04):
It's basically a bread case.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
But you can make loaves of so many sizes.

Speaker 3 (44:09):
You know, your standard loaf size, standard loaf size. The
kindly is he filed away in the in the grocery store.

Speaker 1 (44:15):
So he says, given that billions of these interactions can
be happening in the brain at any time, it could
produce a larger electric field, Like all these tiny things
could add up to something larger. And if this larger
field is the sum total of all the fields generated
by all neuronal activity in the brain at a given moment,

(44:39):
then maybe that is what consciousness is. Maybe it's just
the interaction and the collaboration of these different, tiny, tiny
magnetic fields. Yeah, if he is right, then that means
that these tiny electromagnetic fields generated by the brain are
capable of being influenced by other l for extremely low

(45:01):
frequency fields such as this is spooky, such as those
generated by other people. Now this gets into mentalism, This
gets this gets away from what it could be considered
proven methodologies. There are a lot of scientists that would
have a problem with this next idea. What he's saying

(45:22):
is that these the interaction of these fields between what
are different human beings could lead to them having effects
that we don't really understand on one another. So in
situations where the two people really close to each other,
like when a child is in its mother's womb, or
when two people are having intercourse their fields, their magnetic

(45:45):
brain fields, their consciousness. Things might be interacting kind of
bumper carring into one another. And this is something kind
of beautiful about that about you know, brain magnet powers
bringing us together. Let's go a step further. If that
is true, and a lot of ifs we're adding up
ifs here, then the interaction between Earth's geomagnetic field and

(46:07):
the electromagnetic field of the Sun could affect the way
ions interact with biological entities, meaning that it could also
possibly influence their behavior. The bre magnets just get bigger,
is what he's say. Yeah, or the magnets get.

Speaker 4 (46:27):
Bigger, then the massive magnets doing the same things as
two people bumper caring into each other.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
Yeah, it's the the Sun and Earth just sort of
having intimate moments since we're family show. Yeah, and then
everything we call organic life just happens to be in
the same bed.

Speaker 4 (46:47):
Yeah. And the Moon is just like a pesky roommate
that's like, hey, hey he stopped, Oh come.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
On, hey, that's through the things where he's using his
arm to show us the orbit of the moon.

Speaker 3 (47:00):
Total that's why I talk, and it comes around.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
Yeah, I know, I always all done. So so what
does that mean? Does Libath then support Tijevsky. The answer
might surprise you.

Speaker 4 (47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
In an interview with Vice, he notes, quote, I'm not
a follower of Tchijevsky. I think of him as sort
of an amusing prelude to my present area of work.
What I'm saying is amusing prelude for the first time.
There is a possibility of causation that goes along with
this great number of correlative information in terms of the

(47:35):
effects the sun has on living things. Maybe there's something there.
There's an increase in suicide that is correlatable with solar activities,
so why not social unrest.

Speaker 1 (47:46):
So he's kind of saying, yeah, Tijevski's he's all but
saying Gefsky's cute, But I'm the real scientist here, which
I don't, you know, I don't want to integrate anyone's work. Yeah,
but there's a difference between a chemists and an alchemist, right,
So maybe that's maybe that's where he's coming from. The

(48:06):
big question where does this leave us now? Wellriva, we
are currently at the very end of solar cycle twenty four.
As we said, solar cycles are numbered. Starting from seventeen
fifty five, we're going to reach the solar minimum, or
we have reached solar minimum around late twenty nineteen twenty twenty.
That means that solar cycle twenty five is hitting the

(48:30):
horizon near you very very very soon. This will hit
peak solar activity sometime between twenty twenty three and twenty
twenty six. But cycle twenty five seems set to have
lower activity in general than preceding cycles. In fact, the
last four cycles, the last forty four years ish, have

(48:53):
exhibited a trend of weakening solar activity. And as we know,
things like people still got in fights across the planet
over the last forty four years, yeah, and.

Speaker 4 (49:07):
Great amounts of unrest in regions across the world right
over those forty four years. Think about what that encompasses.
I mean, the sixties, the.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Cold War, oh yeah, the Cold War, various violent coups
developing world.

Speaker 4 (49:29):
Yeah, South America, the Middle East. They're just in the
United States alone, Like the the terrible things that have
occurred with an angry individual does just keep naming off
horrible things that have happened.

Speaker 3 (49:46):
Let's see.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
Various violent coups in western subher in Africa. Yeah, yep,
harambe as well. Maybe a little lower on the list things.
But yeah, no, no, no, we should keep it. Let's see.
I mean, but there have been shining moments. Yeah, in

(50:09):
the last forty four years too, like.

Speaker 4 (50:12):
The Master of Disguise.

Speaker 1 (50:14):
Yeah, just off the top of my head. Police Academy four,
there we go. See, you know, don't give up on
humanity yet. Was there a Police Academy five? Or was
four as deep as it went?

Speaker 3 (50:23):
I you know, I.

Speaker 1 (50:24):
Wouldn't be surprised. Let's look at that mat me direct
to video. Maybe I just feel like, really, as a
as a genre, Police Academy four was the end. Part
of art is knowing when to put the brush down.
With that being said, Police Academy five Assignment Miami Beach
was released in nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Oh wow, I don't remember of them going to Miami Beach.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Yeah, you know, I stopped at four.

Speaker 3 (50:47):
I think the true fans all stopped at four.

Speaker 1 (50:49):
Yeah, right right, So.

Speaker 4 (50:53):
Here we are.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
We we would assume then, if this is a predictive model,
if the sun really is they and stuff they don't
want you to know for this episode, and is conspiring
to put humans on a doomed cyclical path to war.
Then we have to ask ourselves, can we predict these

(51:16):
activities right? These conflicts? Now Again, you'll notice in Tchijewski's
arguments he's purposefully being pretty general. His detractors would say
he's being frustratingly vague. But we also have to remember
that solar forecasting is pretty new, especially in comparison to

(51:38):
daily weather forecast. And thank you, of course to all
the meteorologists in the audience. You are doing a wonderful job.
We know the weather system is huge, globally interconnected and tricky.
So I just don't want to sound like I don't
want to sound like we're being rude to forecasters because
they can't do a thing that is currently impossible to do.

Speaker 4 (52:00):
At me, agreed.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
It's like saying pilots can't really fly. You know that
they get in planes.

Speaker 4 (52:07):
That's right, as those planes that are flying, those guys
are just pulling levers.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, they just they just know how to operate incredibly
sophisticated and dangerous machines, hitting all those buttons and checking gauges,
landing and taking off and not killing people.

Speaker 4 (52:22):
Doing quick mathematics that I could never do in my
entire life.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, no, Lie, I get anxiety seeing the films from
the fifties and sixties where there's one person back there
who's in charge of everything that like the the three
D position of the plane, oh yeah, relative to everything else,
and they just have a pencil.

Speaker 3 (52:44):
Dude.

Speaker 4 (52:44):
Uh, really quick tangential thing I know we're wrapping up here.
My son had to do. He had to pick out
his favorite book and then dress up like a character
from his favorite book today at school. Uh huh do
you guys want to guess, like what character he chose.
It's it's almost it's tangential to this that we just
did Superman. Okay, Okay, Paul says, Pepa pig a Sun

(53:11):
Raw Sun Raw rat. That would have been incredible.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
Okay. Okay, wait wait wait wait, we're talking about pilots. Okay, pilots, pilots,
famous pilots.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Okay, Okay, it's not Frank Abcneil Junior, por Okay, it's
not Porkros Howard Hughes. It's not Howard Hughes.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
It's not Bluey it's someone from Police Academy.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
It is Neil Armstrong. His favorite book currently is one
of these that's like I am It's one of those
books and is Neil Armstrong. He loves it. He loves
the concept of being an astronaut. And today he put
on his astronaut outfit and his helmet and he went
to school carrying his book and told everybody about it
was awesome.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
Hold a loft like you were just doing.

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Yeah, that's crowd.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Here. Are you guys gonna let him eat space food?

Speaker 4 (54:01):
H yeah, he already has quite a bit. Oh yeah,
there's some gross versions of space food.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
Oh yeah, oh yeah, yeah yeah. The only good one
is the ice cream. That's the one that's like the
crowd favorite.

Speaker 3 (54:13):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
We also stocked up on MRI here. We've got too many. Yes,
that is amazing. And I hope that he you know what,
I hope he sticks with it. I hope he becomes
an astronaut. I'll say he's.

Speaker 4 (54:30):
Reaching for the stars. Man. There we go.

Speaker 3 (54:32):
At the very least he got us in the space camp.

Speaker 4 (54:35):
Follow my dude is going to space camp.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
That's so cool. Uh So, here's where we leave. Alexander
Chowsky his ideas did not meet with very much support
in his lifetime, to say the least. In nineteen forty two,
there was this guy who was a big deal in
the USSR at the time. His name was Joseph Stalin.

(54:58):
I heard of him, I f yeah, he's a real pill.
He became aware of Jefski's research, including this book he
published in nineteen twenty four called Physical Factors of the
Historical Process or more of a pamphlet and argument, and
Stalin's people asked the scientist to retract his writings on

(55:20):
solar cycles. You see, they contradicted Soviet theories about the
reasons for the Russian revolutions, first in nineteen oh five
and then in nineteen seventeen. Yeah, the politics got in
the way, just like with Galileo if you think about it.
So the political climate of the USSR was such that
all of history had to be portrayed as this inevitable,

(55:43):
if slow, painful march towards the ultimate eternal victory of
the proletariat toward the worker's paradise, like history is over,
we are at the eternal present now right very nineteen
eighty four, and arguing that this was just another series
of conflicts that weren't particularly special, that they were dictated

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or influenced by nature was first off, very problematic and
more heretical, the idea that that meant these would inevitably
happen again. We were not done with war. We're just
waiting on the sun to be in a bad mood
or in.

Speaker 4 (56:18):
That this proletariat paradise is just one next step, you know,
there's like there are an infinite number of steps after right, that's.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
Speech, and so, like Galileo, he refused to recant, and
he was arrested. He was hauled off to a gulag
for eight years. He was released in nineteen fifty sort of.
He was taken a Kazakhstan where he did science and
coal mines for eight years as a form of Soviet rehabilitation. Wow,

(56:47):
but now we're still you know, one thing you said
before we started recording to day, Matt, So we're very
much in the early days of any research on this.
I don't know what do you guys think, Like, is
this just a case cherry picking evidence? That's the thing
that bothers me. That's one of my reservations, Like how
there are so many wars, there's so many conflicts. Furthermore,

(57:10):
there are so many that perhaps the scientists would not
have been aware of at that time. Yeah, it feels
dangerously easy to go back and just sort of kind
of like you were alluding to NOL, just go back
and kind of fit in things that go with your
confirmation bias.

Speaker 4 (57:26):
I'm gonna put this out here, this connection between the
Sun's activity and humanity's brain patterns and our you know,
what we choose to do from a behavioral perspective. It's
still something that is very much in at least sections
of the scientific interest. In twenty eleven, there's a study

(57:51):
it was called Sunspot dynamics are Reflected in Human Physiology
and Pathophysiology. And it's something you can read if you
go to the site that Ben and I I know
for sure, and No, I'll go to every once in
a while. It's the US National Library of Medicine, National
Institutes of Health. You can find journals there and you
can read an abstract. I would say, look into this

(58:15):
because it's trying. It's really weird. It took this huge
longitudinal study of pap smears and I believe it was
self reported breathing and oxygen levels in males, and it
was just looking at within the solar minimums and maximums
whether or not there was any kind of change if

(58:37):
you're looking at some of the scientific testing there the
perap smears, like what were the rates of infectious diseases
that were found during the maximums versus during the minimums,
And again it seems like a good way to maybe
make a connection, but again it's like two data sets
that don't necessarily have anything to do with each other,

(58:59):
and if you make the correlations then it perhaps is
just in the eye of the researcher, just putting that
out there. But then again in twenty eighteen there was
another one, and this one had to do with heart rates,
just looking at heart rates and these you know, the
solar cycles. That one, by the way, if you want
to look for it is long term study of heart

(59:20):
rate variability responses to changes in the solar and geomagnetic environment.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Rolls up the tongue.

Speaker 4 (59:27):
But it's just and that was in twenty eighteen. So
just knowing that even now, this interest is still there
in finding a connection, depending on what it is, and
I'm very much interested to see if something more concrete
can be established at some point in the near future.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
And what if we get to a point where that
kind of that kind of correlation does have approvable causation.
How does that change the activity of the human species
on the planet do we have? You know what I
mean is are we realistically ever going to have a

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society where someone says, Okay, guys, you know, I know
we've had some religious or ideological disagreements, but we're at
like maximum excitability. So let's just hold off for three years.
Let's just chill for three years, and then let's come
back and talk. I don't think humans are capable of that,

(01:00:24):
but if science can prove that the bones of it
are interesting enough that we should continue research on this.
We want to hear from you. What do you think, folks?
Is this a case of cherry picking evidence and mistaking
correlation for causation or are we emotional slaves to the

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sun our first god? Or is it something in between?

Speaker 3 (01:00:51):
Let us know.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
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Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
We are conspiracy stuff in many of those places. Conspira
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Speaker 3 (01:01:05):
Oh, you can go to Instagram if you wish and
look me up at how now Noel Brown and Ben
I believe you've got some social handles that lead directly
to your individual self as well.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
That's true. Yes, you can find this persona on Instagram
at Ben Bolin like bowling without a g and you
can find the same persona on Twitter at Ben Bolan
hsw toss the ball back to you, Matt f H.

Speaker 4 (01:01:32):
Yes, I don't have any socials right now at the moment,
I can't find them. They're they're there somewhere. I just
can't find them. But what I can tell you is
that Steve Gutenberg is very excited when about Police Academy eight,
which may be coming to us what at some point, guys.
According to ScreenRant dot Com from twenty eighteen, he was

(01:01:54):
getting all hyped up about Police Academy eight.

Speaker 1 (01:01:57):
Maybe it was the Sunway that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:59):
Means there word and seven. Two others most Miami Beach.

Speaker 4 (01:02:03):
Yeah, there's one called under Siege. I think that was six. Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
You know, I've gotta I gotta check the sun cycle
before there's a lot of new information for me. I
really did just stick with four, you.

Speaker 4 (01:02:15):
Know, I'm you know, Little Gutenberg's excited.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
So yeah, but Police Academy four was divisive, and that's
what art should do.

Speaker 4 (01:02:23):
It looks.

Speaker 1 (01:02:26):
Yes, we gotta get out it.

Speaker 4 (01:02:28):
We do it together. I would say, if there is
gonna be another Police Academy, now is the time for
it to just like show up on Netflix one day
and everybody would go, hey, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:02:38):
Something made that happen. Maybe it's just the season for
a new Police Academy.

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
Police Academy seven Mission to Moscow. That sounds somehow familiar.

Speaker 4 (01:02:47):
Oh so that's the real title.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
That is, we have a we have a phone number
of people can call too to let us know about
everything from the Sun to Police Academy.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Yeah, you can call us at one eight three three
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Speaker 4 (01:03:03):
Yes, leave a message and we will we'll hear from you. Okay,
we're gonna do something new on the show. Everybody, as
we're in here recording, I am going to check my
my app here and the latest message that has come
through on the wires is going to get played and
we're just going to react to it. Okay, is everybody
ready here? It is the latest message from you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Hey, guys, I don't I don't know how much time
I have. Oh wait, yeah, it is three minutes. I
was just wondering if you have any thoughts on big
pharma killing tech one diabetics with rising insolent prices. Thanks
for all you do.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I got to go there.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
They're catching up. Thanks. I'll keep listening.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
Now.

Speaker 1 (01:03:55):
To be fair, when we agreed to do this, we
we made a pact with one another that we would
not listen to any of these before we actually played
them in the studio, So you are hearing this for
the first time with us. It is true that pharmaceutical companies,
at least in the West, are accelerating the prices of insulin.

Speaker 4 (01:04:13):
Yes, but you know why is that? Is there something
behind that as our caller has insinuated there. We don't know,
and maybe it's something we can look into. And that
is a reminder that what Benja said, that's the first
time we heard that. That was sent to us while
we were recording.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
And if you have any thoughts on the subjects of
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We are conspiracy at iHeartRadio. Dot com. Whoa whoa, whoa
whoa whoa projection theory?

Speaker 4 (01:04:49):
A projection guys? Do you ever? Did you ever think
that maybe we and everything we believe is real is
actually just a projection from the sun were we are
in this weird way three dimensional projections of a two
dimensional space or or object that is behind or a

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part of our sun to Okay, cool because you can.
You can read about that on the internet right now.

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