June 16, 2017 • 50 mins
Experts believe that millions of undiscovered species exist in the modern day -- but most are tiny microbes and insects. What if there are much larger undiscovered creatures out there? What would they look like? Where would they be? And, if they exist, will human beings ever find them?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is
riddled with unexplained events, you can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
(00:25):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is no Guerrilla Boy Brown. They called me Ben
you are you? And that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. That's a that's an interesting moniker
and it's uh, guerrilla boy has taken the office by storm.
That's what my girlfriend calls me. Yeah, it's just weird
that she does it in front of other people. But
(00:46):
you know, if you're happy, you're happy. I think she
means it as a compliment. I think so. I think
because she says it with a note of admiration. It's
because I'm really mad good at sign language. I thought
it was a chest here too. So we're talking today
about something we've returned to often in the show, and
that is cryptids. Right, we're let's be honest books. We're
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living in a world where there's ecological collapse. We do
it in the movie trailer Voice in a world on
the verge of ecological collapse. Three men four, counting their
super producer Tristan and one gorilla boy. Wait, now we
have five people. Okay, So we've talked about this before
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and one of the big quests for the human species
has always been a quest of discovery, Right, what can
we find at the edges of the map? The thing
most people want to find, the real fun stuff would be,
of course acrypted. But what is a cryptid? Yeah, that's
a fun term. But what does it mean? Right? Well,
it's an umbrella term that describes a whole host of
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different types of creatures that are all rumored to exist.
This is very important. It's rumored. There's no scientific proof
of the existence of these creatures, but the fascination it
still remains. Right, and the study of cryptods is known
as cryptozoology. Gosh, that's fun to say. And uh, we
have an much older exploration of this. One of the
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first episodes we ever did was an update or not
an update, I guess it was an exploration of our
videos on cryptozoology. Ben, Yeah, Cryptozoology show notes, just for
a quick recap to give everybody the lay of the land.
Oh and Matt, you have your Mothman shirt on today?
I just noticed that I did on purpose. You got
gorilla boy mothman. Tristan will get to you. I didn't
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mean that to sounds so menacing. We'll find a nickname.
But your next buddy, your next uh. We gotta let
the bad d out of the bag here. Cryptozoology is
at the very least a controversial field. The vast majority
of scientists and any other related subjects zoologists, biology, just
a cologists and so on. I think that cryptozoology is
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essentially a pseudo science. Yeah. A lot of times these
scientists with a capital as believe that the cryptozoologists suffer
from confirmation bias, from believing so wholeheartedly that these things exist.
They will take evidence that they find and kind of
make it tell the story that they wish it to be,
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sort of cherry pick like, Like if I, like a
zoologists would say, there are rumors of gorilla boy out
in the wild, let's see if it's true, and their
critique is that their criticism rather is that a cryptozoologist
instead would say, I know, gorilla boy is real. I
will find the evidence that supports this. Yeah, it's that
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whole getting caught up in the thrill of the hunt thing. Then,
and of course, throughout the centuries, various experts have investigated
claims of previously unidentified animals, and every year the search
for new organisms continues. But but what sort of animals
would be considered cryptids? I mean, you can describe almost
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anything you know as a crypto that fits in the
following categories. So we've got um subjects of eyewitness accounts,
historically located creatures from specific region or regions, and most importantly,
they are have they have to be you know, this
is kind of the kicker. They have to not be
acknowledged by the scientific community. Yes, there's imagin Yeah, so
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they So we would have, you know, we would have
like old man Frederick saying, I've lived in these woods
for now in fifty years and every moon and it's
not the skunk cape comes out of the swamps. It
does come out down swamps. I'll tell you what. When
I'm on that porch sitting out there, you'll hear to
whisper to win you hear them, hear them grasshopper. Well,
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it is it getting weird this accident right here with me,
with me outright as I want to take a moment
to day. This is one of those things, the things
that I just said about them being imaginary, where some
folks ding us or me or whatever for like not
believing fully in the things that we describe. That's not
the point. This stuff is fascinating to think about, and
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there are obviously more compelling examples than others. I just
want to throw that out there. I don't think that
that's fine and large cryptids are imaginary, but I just
think it's funny that one of the categories that they
need to fit in is that they are not scientifically
acknowledged to exist, right, And it's a weird thing because
once they are acknowledged, then they become no longer a cryptod.
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So this this weird umbrella term applies more to the
position of a proposed organism, right, because once it's a genuine,
scientifically acknowledge organism, then it's just it's not mysterious anymore.
Goes in the Books of Creatures, It's just a stink bird.
It's gun cape. Scuncape is a crypted isn't it a
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great name? So the the outlines that Noll provided the
categories there perfectly incorporate all the famous cryptids, you know,
like the big blockbuster cryptids, Bigfoot, Locknest, Monster, Godzilla, Godzilla, yeah,
I don't know if that fits in, but maybe maybe Well,
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Godzilla came from the ocean, right, and a creature of
that size could easily could easily disappearance to the ocean.
And I want to say too real quick, not to
get too derailed, but some of the most bizarre and
fascinating creatures that border on seeming as close to like
extraterrestrials we're ever going to get come from the deep
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deep I wish. I don't have you ever seen that
Planet Earth episode about the deep dark Ocean. It's insane.
They live, They've got like weird like little lamps hanging
on their foreheads, so they look like something out of
a nightmare. And they're very otherworldly because they exist under
such extreme pressures and they have that adaptation that allows
them to flourish more or less in this bizarre and
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lightless environment. When we're going to get to that a
little later. I believe yes because this I'm glad that
we said this, because this definition also incorporates, along with
the really strange things like gigantic snakes, dragons, were like
dinosaur populations, and other allegations, the definition of cryptod also
incorporates animals that you might not think of, like relic
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populations of animals that were formerly thought to be extinct,
such as the sea camp Right, everybody thought, well, everybody
in here we go with the scientific racism as well.
Everybody in Western Europe I thought that the sea cant
was extinct despite the vast amounts of native populations going
oh yeah, that fish has always been here and it
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sucks to eat. But then you know these scientists finger
quote air quote discovered it and now it's not a crypto.
This could also be animals that look very similar to
known creatures yet are different enough to qualify as their
own species. That's happening a lot with DNA testing now.
But let's face it, let's wake up, smell the folders,
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face the facts. The holy Grail of possible cryptics has
never been a small new species of bottle nose blue
fly or the cousin of the finch with a separate
color palette. Oh no, the more things change, the more
they stay the same. And that means what people want
to find. Our big creatures, the godzillas, the godzilla's, the
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king congs, right, the Catholics. You know, Cathula is kind
of a proto Godzilla in a lot of ways. I mean,
he came from beneath the ocean's deep and rose up
to crush us. All yeah, but no, nobody wants to
find that, right, Please tell me nobody wants to find
the one who won't be named? Obviously, I'm a huge
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fan of Lovecraft, uh, in the at least the mythology,
but none of nothing about his real life. He was
a terrible, terrible person. But okay, but just to get
back on here, Yeah, the idea of this creature is
that it causes other utter madness, right, that's the idea.
Just even thinking about it causes madness. So why would
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you want to find one or it or he whatever? Today?
Do you push the boundaries? All right, it's be more hardcore.
What is life if not to be lived? All right? Right?
Did our fortune cookie arguments persuade you? I'm persuaded. You're
right though. People want big animals. People want to find crackings,
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abominable snowfolk, thunderbirds, dragons, dinosaurs if you say snowfolk like that. Yeah,
and so it's you know, okay, it's not just a
bunch of snow dudes out there in the Himalayas. One
would hope, but that's a big question. Are there really
any large animals out there? And if so, how can
we find them? But we find them through an impulse
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that has been with our species as long as we've
been around, as this search for other life, whether it's
on our planet or elsewhere. So the current age of
man and the anthroposyn puts our species in a uniquely
fortuitous and particularly perilous time um in our search for
undiscovered species. So, due to the spreading of our species
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across areas, vast areas of the world previously forbidden to us,
we've got the technology and the wherewithal to go to
places we would not have normally been able to go
in our formative times. Yeah. So as a result of
that propagation, we're also kind of collapsing ecosystems. No, yeah,
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totally doing that thing at a alarming and dare we say,
catastrophic rate, which means that we are totally racing ourselves
to discover animals that may already be by the time
we get to them. Yeah. So what I think that's
a very very good point. So we're more capable of
going to the hinterlands of Antarctica, right to the bottom
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of the sea floor or yeah, that's perfect too deep,
too deep caves, you know, and and to space to
all these places we can ordinarily never go, so we're
more likely to find stuff that's there if we get
to it before our pollution does. Essentially, we're also very
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much in the dark about just how many species remain
out there in the wild. This blows my mind. We
don't know exactly what we will discover in the insect realm.
There are hundreds of thousands of unidentified species, and the
brutal math of the equation ensures that many of them
will vanish before anyone finds and identifies them, including like
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native populations. So not just you know, Ivory Tower scientists,
but tribes that are largely uncontacted may not even be
able to identify all of the varieties of moth in
their region. That's weird to think about. In the Census
of Marine Life estimated that Earth is home to about
eight point seven million species, and give or take one
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point three million. You know, you gotta when you make
a big number like that and you're estimating the number
of species, especially how many could or could not exist,
you got to give it a bit of an error
margin mayor a little wiggle room. But but this number
ultimately breaks down to six point five million different species
on land and two point two million different species in
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the ocean. And if we count microbes, my goodness, that
number skyrockets. So let's jump to when researchers at Indiana
University estimated that there might be between one hundred billion
and one trillion species of microbes out there just kicking
in with us, just hanging out on our skin, just
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on that leaf over there. And it's it's like if
you ever get a chance to see those that microscopic
photography of gut bacteria or of like these various micros,
and I mean, it's like fractals inside fractals. It's like
these worlds within worlds that we cannot possibly even contemplate.
Like that's insane to me. And then you think about
our position in you know, the universe and the planet,
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and then as it relates to that, it's just like
more than more than the mind can even read. If
you have not read the Filth, read the graphic novel
the Filth today it also brings to mind supersymmetry. You know,
when you consider that are each of our bodies are
comprised more of other life forms than human cells were outnumbered.
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I think that there are five bacterial cells for every
human cell your body, But the size ratio is very different. Right,
But but you're it's absolutely right with the numbers. Human
cells are are much larger. And it's strange, you know,
we're all agglomerations of things, were all much more like
cities in our way than we are individuals. But we
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also shouldn't forget that there is still a ton of
Earth left to explore. I mean, technological advancements have been
just huge in this respect. Satellites led, our drones all
given us this glimpse into hitherto unexplored regions remote you know,
um inhospitable that we never would have been able to
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lay eyes on, let alone take readings from and learn
about the makeup of the you know, materials and the
climates in the various conditions of these places. Yes, but again,
what about the big stuff? Could a large animal let's
say the size of a labrador, about a labordoodle? Um,
all right, yeah, I can do labordoodle a labordoodle or
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up or maybe maybe even you know what, let's raise
the stakes something the size of a horse. Could it
remain under scovered for the entire span of human civilization.
That's a tough one, and I think we're gonna have
to look at that after a quick word from our sponsor,
you rascal, here's where it gets crazy. So what's the answer.
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It's possible, it really is. Yeah, no, uh well, we're
a family show, so no, no, tuckus, no doubt. I
used to have a boss who said, I want you
to give me the straight poop, give me the dish,
you know, give me the stuff, the truth, give me
the straight whoop. Was it a cool boss? Now? But
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straight poops are pretty cool frame. I think it's like
a northern thing. He was from, like Pennsylvania. Well, right in,
and let us know if you're from a farther the
world where people say straight poop, but it really is,
We'll give you the straight poop here. It really is
possible that entire group of large animals has escaped the
notice of humanity at large. Just a side note, I
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think I'm gonna stick with Tuckis. So every time I
was gonna say a tuckis, but is that what that means? Okay,
I'm gonna you know what I've committed to it. I'm
just gonna I'm gonna ride this pony into the sunset.
Rite the scripted into the sunset. There are big obstacles
to this concept, even though it is possible. Um, we
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have to consider something that we've looked at in the
past when we specifically examined, uh say, bigfoot or large
the rumors of dinosaurs and African forest. The thing is,
a large animal needs a lot of energy and it
would probably have a measurable impact on an observable ecosystem
that would be in proportion to or commensurate with its size.
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So one great example of this is whenever a whale
dies and it sinks to the seabed and it becomes
this sort of funereal, rotting oasis for the creatures of
the deep. Yeah, it's like that story that came out
not too long ago out of Indonesia where there was
this these photographs and video of what looks like a
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lockness monster type thing or some kind of crazy you know,
see elephant or something, and it turns out it's just
the carcass, the gelatinous, molten carcass of a baling whale,
I believe, But it starts to contort and stretch and
do all this bizarre stuff. And yeah, whale skulls look
rather odd when all the stuff's peeled back from it, right.
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I think that's a very it's a very polite way
to say it. I will I will say that they
look fascinating and terrifying in a way. Imagine looks like tusks.
Imagine living thousands of years ago and then discovering these
bones that would wash up on shore. It's interesting though.
In an article and Live Science relating to the sighting,
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I was just talking about a whale biologist by the
name of Alexander Worth. There's an interesting quote here that
I think pertains to our discussion. He says, quote, they're
there's lots of stuff in the ocean that we don't
know about, but there's nothing that big that remains unknown.
That's yeah. And that's the thing because that's a controversial um.
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That's still a point of contention, obviously in one man's opinion.
But it is an expert. He's not like just some
guy who's hanging out selling couzies and speedoes. He's not
a wil hobbyist. He's not wil enthusiasts. Yeah, it's it's
true though it's uh, it's true. On land that large
animals would have likely already been observed by humans, or
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in areas where they would come into contact with humans,
they might have already been hunted to death, died due
to pollution, or become unable to compete for their normal
breeding territory, their food of choice, other resources. Uh, this happens.
Look at the wooly mammoth. Uh. They may also become
unable to accomplish annual migrations, and this is in effect
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another death sentence, just a slower one. Yeah, just the
really fasket. Back to the amount of energy that encrypted
would require. So there are a couple of things that
just come come to my mind when we're thinking about this.
So if you're thinking about a singular animal, right, and
then you think about how much food that I am
over will require, you have to think is in an
herbivore an omnivore? Does it eat primarily meat? And then
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think about how much energy, like we said, that would
require to eat. Then imagine this thing isn't alone. If
there is a big foot, there is a family of
bigfoots unless they're you know, they live forever, right, or
whatever animal it is, a horse sized creature, there's gonna
be a herd at least of them that has survived
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over the century. It reminds me of that band name.
And you will know us by our trail of dead,
and us by the trail of the dead. Well, yeah, sure,
And maybe it's just grass that's getting eaten or some
plant that exists out in the middle of nowhere. But
you know there's gonna be a big whole of resources
where these things survive. Right. And despite all these problems,
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all these very valid let's call them cons to the
argument for a large animal. Uh, we have one big
pro on the other side. That is that the world
is enormous. There are still a few places where it's
possible that humanity could discover something the size of a
labrador a labradoodle or larger. In fact, it's more possible
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now than at any other point in human history. So
we can look at different regions of the world, uh
and see whether what would be the most or least
likely to harbor an undiscovered large life form. So our
first stop on this journey would be to the jungles
and the massive forests of the planet. Once these things
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span entire continents, they just nothing but trees as far
as the eye could see. But now, because of manufacturing
and egg cultural techniques, these things have been drastically reduced,
both in in terms of their size um and the
bio diversity within their ecosystem. So a lot of the
animals have been dying off. We're inside a mass die
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off right now of species, and we've been kind of
ramping up to that in the past few hundred years.
Paleontologists will tell you that we are we are officially
in the sixth great extinction in the history of this planet,
like dinosaur leveling stuff. You know. Um, maybe not as
sudden as impact events, right, but in many ways as
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as lethal. And this is not like this is not
in any way involved with um political standpoints or ideologies.
This is this is just hard science. There are resources
that we use that we extract and one of those
is would and trees, and that's what we've been doing
for a long time, and humanity has been expanding. It's
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just kind of the way we've been going. I'm sort
of torn on the point to where people say that
we should stop as a species from pursuing agriculture right,
because it keeps people alive. So at what point do
we stop letting people eat you know what I mean?
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Or stop letting people reproduce, yeah, or stop letting people
choose what they want to eat? Right? Because if the
entire world went vegetarian, there's that argument that, uh, the
there would be less pollution and that there would also
be more food for people. There's vertical farms, man, we
gotta start getting those. Yeah. But I am a I
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am just a walking garbage disposal. I haven't really met
food that I wouldn't he I've met something that I
didn't like. You have a whole show where you just
eat trash food. Anybody who's listening to this and doesn't
have access to the house Stuff Works Facebook page, I
just have to throw this out here right now. Ben
and uh somebody who's been on our show before, Lauren Vogelbaum.
(23:10):
They do a show called snack Stuff, And yesterday during
the live broadcast, Ben not only did he eat canned
rattlesnake and Lauren both they both did. Uh. They took
a shot of rattlesnake can juice at the end of
like a Gravy, disgusting the look on poor Ben's face.
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It was really bad. So the rattle sneak itself doesn't
taste bad that the texture is really similar to like
pulled pork can. Yeah, can canned stuff weird to me.
Potted meat can stuff in general? How me? Beans are
okayltic beans, but potted meat now, Yeah, it's always it's
always fascinating when you see that stuff in the grocery
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store and it's not refrigerated and read the ingredients, you
check the expiration date and you're like, wow, this could
be sitting on the shelf for another four years. Yeah,
and and it'd be fine, right, it would be no
worse than it was. But but yes, I we do
have that show with our esteemed uh friend and colleague
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and also co host of a new show called food Stuff,
Lauren vogelbaumb So do check that out when you get
a chance. All right, let's get back to the jungle.
Welcome to the jungle. Uh. There are problems with investigating
allegations of cryptids in the jungle. Let's take the world's
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largest tropical rainforce at the time of this recording, it's
the Amazon and it's been the site of hundreds of
cryptid sightings or you know, eyewitness accounts. Here's what makes
it tough to hunt for cryptids in a place like
the Amazon. The jungle is hungry. It is. It aggressively
devot hours buildings, structures, roads without constant maintenance. Um, it's
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very difficult to well, it's very difficult with constant maintenance
to keep man made structures around and viable, and without it, boom,
the jungle just swallows them up. Yeah. I can totally
identify with this because we just had ivy growing growing
in our backyard and every couple of weeks I'd have
to go back there and take care of it or
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that thing would just get overrun with just some simple ivy.
From here in the Southeastern United States, very uh, certain
plants are very motivating, you know. Uh kud Zoo is
the legendary example here in the Southeast, but that still
has very little on the Amazonian jungle. Entire cities have
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been lost in the Amazon and only recently found again
with the use of sophisticated laser based surveillance technology like LIE.
It are like no one mentioned earlier. So if you're
if you don't have the resources to go to an
isolated place and maintain a life long enough to maintain
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a structure and a like a an operation long enough
to observe this stuff. Your chances of seeing anything are
pretty small, especially if you're looking for something specific. You
might be having a needle in a haystack moment. And
given the vast biodiversity, it's also possible that people who
believe they've seen a cryptid are misidentifying another known creature.
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Here's a question, you guys on a movie Anaconda? Where
John that spoiler? Yep? Is it? Yep? Oh? What a snake?
A movie with the name Anaconda has a snake in it? Well, no,
the giant snake, but specifically the character. I didn't say
what it did after it? H John, Boy, that's the twist,
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Now you do. We've been over the statue of limitation.
It's a grea. Come on. My question though, is like,
would an absurdly large version of a known species be
considered a cryptod? Yeah? I would. I would argue yes,
because it would be. It's it's an interesting question. So
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is it an individual that's a very large antaconda or
is it a group of anacondas that are that are
growing and reptiles are weird too, because some reptiles will
just continue to grow, just spooky stuff. Yeah, but I
think you know, that's a good question. I would say,
I want to throw that to the listeners too. So ladies, gentlemen,
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and cryptids, if you're in the audience, let us know
what you think is is outsized a very large version
of a known animal. Does that count as acrypted? I
would say, I'm tempted to say yes. And can the Internet?
Oh boy, thank you can? If it's encrypted? Are leaving
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right now. So despite the difficulty in establishing your research
outpost and the ease of misidentification, new species are still
being found in the world's forest and Jungles and may
Ofen researchers found a brand new primate and angola. Think
about that, a brand new primate that is a large animal.
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It's not huge, but it's at least, you know, it's
larger than a little bird. They're literally calling it the
pigmy galago, so well, that means they're calling it a pigmy.
It's not like some ironic little john things or something.
It's small. Yeah, it's only six point five inches long,
so it isn't a large animal, just a undiscovered one. Sure,
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but you know one person six point five inches. When
you think about microbes and you think about insects, I'm
I'm still saying it's big. Yeah, it's big, but it's
not labradoodle. But let's let's continue our search. Let's visit
some other biomas. What about mountains and deserts. Let's get
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this one out of the way. Deserts are some of
the most brutal locations in the entire world on this planet.
If you're in a desert, there's not much worse places
you can be to live as an animal. You gotta
put up with a whole lot of stuff. You have
to adapt like crazy. Deserts aren't always hot. Like to
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think about the empty quarter in Saudi Arabia or part
of the parts of the Saharta which most people think of.
You know, those are those are hot deserts. But Antarctica
has desert uh in it. Yes, if living was a
video game, deserts would be the stages that count as
hard mode. Oh for sure. So temperature is not the
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primary defining trait of a desert. UH. Area with little
vegetation is a desert, and fewer species of animals exists
in deserts in comparison to other biomas. One famous cryptid
described in the desert to Mongolia is the Mongolian death worm,
which I had a phase. I was totally obsessed with
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this thing. Man, it sounds like a sandworm type thing.
But like the guys from Tremors, it's like, yeah, it's
kind of like a smaller version of that. But they
think that. People say that it can spit acid or
is coated with some sort of acid. But but I
you know, it's a very remote area, but it's it's
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tough to think that there hasn't been one found, you know,
unless it's maybe its body is completely cartilagenous, so when
it dies, it doesn't leave anything, right, that's a possibility.
I don't know. It just returns back to the sand,
to the sand from which it came. So cryptids are
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A large cryptid is probably not located in the desert.
Mountains are different story. Some animals thrive in the heights,
and although we know they exist, it's tough to find them.
Like it's exceedingly rare for human beings. To get a
glimpse of the Himalayan snow leopard, which is a real thing. Yeah, yeah,
it exists, and they're lurking out there. But the times
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that they come out, uh, you know, there aren't humans
around a lot of times. They're very wary of other animals,
and they were pretty well camouflaged, right, And isn't the
aren't they designed more or less to blend in with
you know, heavy snows designed design intelligently. Yeah, yeah, this
is one of the places where there are heavily region
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based reports of the abominable snowfolk. The yetie. Well, it's
so isolated right when you're when you're talking about the
Himalayan mountains, new types of bears and goats, and not
all mountains are created equally, you know, so you're absolutely
right about the Himalayas. We also would have to consider,
(31:58):
you know, more thor explored mountains in Western Europe probably
don't have any large unidentified animals because that area is
so heavily populated by humans comparatively speaking. But there's another
more exciting thing. We're talking about mountains, deserts. We have
a very special case caves. So I was thinking before
(32:21):
when we talked about how there's probably not a large
undiscovered animal in you know, the Sahara or a sand desert.
What I should have said was on the surface, because
caves are a very special case. They're often removed from
the planet's main source of energy, the sun. We're big
(32:43):
fans of Planet Earth. We I think we mentioned that
earlier the show, right um, in the episode on caves.
One thing that's very interesting the original Planet Earth is
they talked about how the entire ecosystem is supported by guano,
uh by you know, uh bat. I guess still stick
(33:03):
with straight bat poop, straight bat poop because they fly
out and uh eat creatures or eat things that grow
in accordance with sunlight and other other parts of the
food chain. And so now the subterranean system is one
step further away from the source of energy, and this
(33:25):
deficit of available energy would ordinarily mean no large creature
could exist, but there's another option to consider the Earth's
internal heat source, the energy that powers geysers and volcanoes.
There hasn't been a large living crypto discovered in cave systems,
at least not yet, but we do know for sure
the world beneath our feet teams with undiscovered, very strange life.
(33:47):
As we record this podcast, spelunkers and scholars alike are
still discovering extremely strange creatures thousands of feet beneath the ground.
And yeah, a lot of them are blind, like just
no eyes, atrophy, spooky spooky stuff. Well, it's a difficult
thing to get down very far into the earth. It's
(34:08):
not easy to do, and it takes a lot of
equipment and specialized training to do that. So you can't
just have a mass search, you know, throughout the globe.
Everything cave cave in. That's a possibility of flooding of
good point dangerous. One of the most dangerous pursuits actually
is cave diving. And apparently there's still pockets of caverns
(34:34):
that are only accessible through a long underwater rout. And
then these these ecosystems within these caverns function kind of
like did you ever see do you guys ever see
those little glass balls that have like plants growing in
them and their own water system. It functions like that
in sort of a bubble in an envelope, and it's
(34:56):
completely possible that something lives there. But when we're speaking
of things that look very alien to us normal us
surface walkers, day walkers, we have one big area left
to explore. We'll get to it after a word from
our sponsor. So I alluded to this earlier in the
(35:25):
show is one of my favorite episodes of Planet Earth.
Of all of the ecosystems on this planet, the ocean
gives us the best odds for discovering a large cryptid
like a Godzilla. Um experts believe that we've explored going
on five per cent of the world seabed, and too
many experts and amateurs arelike this vast unknown stretch of
(35:51):
the world poses the greatest possibility discovering new large animals
to wit sea monster. Yeah, man, And we've been finding
some of these things over the years, and you know,
just in the recent past, we found the colossal squid.
We found a whale that had a beak. No, it
(36:11):
wasn't not it wasn't really a beak, but it was
the beaked whale. Yeah, And then there were we we know,
there are other things to discover. So you've probably if
you were a fan of this show, that means you
have probably, like us, gone down the rabbit hole before
where you look up mysterious carcasses washed ashore. Uh Noel
pointed out earlier that whales washed ashore pretty often, and Matt,
(36:36):
you and I have talked about this off air. A
lot of those carcasses look radically different from a living
whale and have often been misidentified as something else. But
even with that being said, there are genuine accounts of
experts not being able to identify the thing that washed
up and just saying, we don't know. Maybe it's some
(36:57):
kind of deep sea love crafty shark. Maybe it's a
Pacific rim style kaiju. I don't know, man, maybe got
dislodged when a ship sank, or something. Who knows. And
just like life and cave systems, there's one big objection
to the idea of a large creature living in the
deep that is energy. So we talked about some of
(37:18):
those really strange like deep sea angler fish and tiny
um tiny octopoid looking things. Uh. The truth of the
matter is that the abyssal plane, under that immense pressure
that Matt mentioned, animals are going to tend to be
smaller as a rule, and they're also further away from
that source of energy sunlight. But also similar to the
(37:40):
gave idea, we do know of one very bizarre feature
of the ocean floor geothermal events. So these geothermal events
emit intense heat from the earth and they act as
a kind of underwater oasis um for extreme aphiles and
just possibly other larger forms of life. So this means,
(38:02):
to steal a line from Dumb and Dumber, we're saying,
there's a chance there is a chance that there's large
undiscovered life. Not a very good chance, not not really
good odds if you're gambling. But if something large and
undiscovered exists, it almost certainly would have to exist in
(38:22):
the ocean. Yeah, and it have to be able to
hide or at least conceal itself in some way to
evade all of the different tracking techniques that we have.
Where you can look at the bottom of the ocean floor,
anything that is existing there, the the fishing, the technology
that large fisheries use, you can you can see what's
(38:45):
on the bottom of the floor. And then there's this
is just a brainstorm thing. It's entirely speculation on my part,
but there is a possibility that other forms of life
would be discovered in the deep by militaries using submarines,
and then they would choose not to reveal it because
doing so would also reveal the technology they used to
(39:07):
find the thing, but you at a certain level that
they're at, you know, where they're able to or maybe
even where they're operating. Right, it's like, what is this? What?
What is this Russian sub doing in the Indian Ocean? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Uh, it's so and that's
purely speculation on my part. That might as well be
(39:27):
the plot for a dime store novels. You should hop
on that, man, should? I should in general hop more often. Yeah. Yeah,
and then I think you're selling it a short a
dime store. No that is that is a potential best
selling Well, thank you so much. The collapse of oceanic ecosystems.
(39:48):
As we said, the key here is that this becomes
a time sensitive pursuit. Humanity's explorers are racing against humanity's pollution,
So if something big exists out there, it's also tragically
likely that it will be extinct before we actually see it. Jeez,
(40:10):
that's a that's a tough thought. He's we've all seen
images I'm assuming of is it the Pacific trash? Yeah
and all that. I mean, that's just it's hard to
know that that's happening. And in some way, I guess
we're all just contributing to that. It's a care time
(40:32):
will come. Yeah, it feels like it's getting here. What
goes around comes around, I like. I like both of those,
like a trash more text feel splin see, I feel
like a rose about a thorn. So I'm trying to
figure out why this would happen all of us. We
hope that you enjoyed this exploration and if you are
(40:53):
interested in crypto zoology, please do check out our earlier
videos and podcast. We have very special announced vote for
you at the end of the show, a little bit
of a teaser if you will. But before that, enough
about us, what about you? Shot at Corners. Our first
shout out today comes from Jenna, who wrote to us
(41:14):
after watching etcht In's Secret Our Georgia Guidestone's documentary on Amazon.
If you haven't seen it yet, do it now. Jenna
had some very interesting ideas about the future of humanity,
but more importantly, she had a fantastic episode suggestion. So
Jenna says, a person I think would be interesting to
explore in a podcast is the UNI bomber ted Kazinski.
He convinced the FBI to publish his manifesto against the
(41:36):
system in the Washington Post. It is the single day
when the most newspapers were sold, so he would stop
the bombs being sent through the mail. He convinced the
FBI to publish his manifesto against the system in the
Washington Post. And that happened to be the day when
they sold the most newspapers to that point. And that's
(41:56):
what she says. I'm not I haven't. We haven't confirmed
that independently, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were
very close to the case. And he did this so
that he would basically he held them hostage more or less,
that he would stop sending bombs in the mail if
they would agree to publish his manifesto. UM. It led
to his arrest and his court appointed attorneys wanted to
(42:17):
plead insanity, so Kazinski fired them and wanted to speak
for himself. UM. He did have several degrees though, and
we're in law. UM. Yet he was forced into a
plea deal because the FBI didn't want the public to
see how logical he was. Interesting perspective. UM. He now
has several books published. Of a side note, it was
(42:37):
three guns that killed jfk Okay All right, No, no
further there. Thanks for the great podcast, Thanks for the
interesting perspectives. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a very interesting
point that I think would make a a good topic
for examination in an episode. Let us know if you
(42:59):
agree with Jenna and would like us to delve into
the biography of the UNI bomber, along with his motivations
and legal proceedings, because he very much does believe there's
stuff they don't want you to know. Our next shout
out goes out to Dannara, who sent us a message
to quote chime in, Oh excuse me, chime in about
(43:23):
our serial Killers on the Loose, Part two episode, specifically
about the Oakland County child. Yeah, I remember this one, Okay,
So Dinara says, my memories are fuzzy, but I grew
up in Detroit. My dad had been a d A,
a district attorney in Wayne County. That's Detroit City. Oakland
County is the next county to the north. I was
about eight years old when the killings took place. We
(43:44):
never once called him the babysitter. The grown ups called him,
quote the snow killer because they always found the kids
posed as snow angels. The night after a new snowfall.
US kids called him the snow Angel, mostly in whispers.
My dad and his family were staunchly Catholic. Grandfather did
pr public relations work for the diocese for free. Dad
(44:06):
did legal work for the diocese, also for free. This
matters because Dad was having a conversation with one of
the cops involved and this subject came up. The cop
was spitting mad because they knew who did it and
they couldn't touch him. Okay, that's news to me. He
was a Catholic priest. Dad didn't believe it. Neither did grandfather. Okay,
(44:27):
that just pulling out of the listener mail really fast.
I had not seen that anywhere in the research. But that's,
you know, fascinating. I'm gonna look into that now. We're
going back in The priest got hit by a car
and died, and the killings stopped once the snow started falling.
The next year and there were no bodies. Dad said,
(44:48):
we didn't have to go to church anymore. Grandfather had
stopped going over the summer, and they both cut off
all contact with the Catholic clergy, even their best friends.
Neither of them ever talked about it. Geez, Okay, so
on top of his legal career, Dad wrote books crime novels.
When he found out he was dying, he started writing
The Snow Killer and unfortunately he died before finishing it. Geez,
(45:11):
this is this is fascinating information. Thank you for writing
in Diner, because we didn't find in the course of
the research we're doing, uh, information about Catholic priests being involved. No,
not at all, and a lot of that stuff. I
never saw the snow Killer mentioned in any of the
articles that were written at the time, so I don't know.
News to me. Thank you so much for writing. And
(45:31):
we have one more shout out today is to Brent.
Brent says, guys, just listen to the Red Mercury episode.
A couple of points. You mentioned the possibility of red
mercury being a code name for something else. There is
a precedent for this in the nuclear community. During World
War Two, uranium was always referred to by the code
name copper. So how did they refer to element twenty
(45:52):
nine actual copper? It was honest to god copper. Also,
you're right, buying a pig in a poke as buying
something site unseen, often a dog or cat, rather than
an actual pig, thus inadvertently revealing the scam was letting
the cat out of the bag. Keep it going. Thank
you for the etymology lessons there, Brent. That's pretty awesome
talk about connecting dots. Yeah, I think we're gonna stick
(46:14):
stick with Badger. So I've never bought a dog in
a bag, no, or a pig. Nol is nodding in
a very like sympathetic way right now. Well, I mean,
I don't know. It just seems like a real stretch
to agree to buying a creature sight unsea. I mean,
what if it turns out to be some sort of
bizarre acid spitting cryptid that as soon as you open
(46:37):
that string, jumps right out and you know, melts your
face off with its acid venom. Should make a p
s A. We should do a p s A against
buying things, uh, buying things in bags without looking inside
the bag. Because I have a kid, and there's a
big thing the kids love these days is these little
things you buy, these little trinkets where you don't know
(46:59):
what's in it. It's like it looks like a little
yogurt cup. It's got this little like an Asian kind
of drinket that it's a stamp or a lip balm
or something like that. And the whole joy of it
is in not knowing what it is. But at least
you know that it's not gonna eat your face off.
It's not a living creature. That's That's honestly why I
love magic cards. When you buy the packs and you
don't know what the rars. Maybe one do you get
(47:21):
a live pig? Oh? I only hope. So, speaking in
fantastic segways, this concludes ours but not our show. Visit
our website stuff. They don't want you to know. To
check out any and all of the episodes that Matt,
Noel and I have done in previous dage. Can I
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if you guys are familiar with the wonderful wonderful publication
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Now not us stuff. They don't want you to know us.
You know the greater how stuff works. They work, They
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and they have a new show called Part Time Genius
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the show is out now. I think they released four
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is no Guerrilla Boy Brown. They called me Ben
you are you? And that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. That's a that's an interesting moniker
and it's uh, guerrilla boy has taken the office by storm.
That's what my girlfriend calls me. Yeah, it's just weird
that she does it in front of other people. But
(00:46):
you know, if you're happy, you're happy. I think she
means it as a compliment. I think so. I think
because she says it with a note of admiration. It's
because I'm really mad good at sign language. I thought
it was a chest here too. So we're talking today
about something we've returned to often in the show, and
that is cryptids. Right, we're let's be honest books. We're
(01:10):
living in a world where there's ecological collapse. We do
it in the movie trailer Voice in a world on
the verge of ecological collapse. Three men four, counting their
super producer Tristan and one gorilla boy. Wait, now we
have five people. Okay, So we've talked about this before
(01:32):
and one of the big quests for the human species
has always been a quest of discovery, Right, what can
we find at the edges of the map? The thing
most people want to find, the real fun stuff would be,
of course acrypted. But what is a cryptid? Yeah, that's
a fun term. But what does it mean? Right? Well,
it's an umbrella term that describes a whole host of
(01:55):
different types of creatures that are all rumored to exist.
This is very important. It's rumored. There's no scientific proof
of the existence of these creatures, but the fascination it
still remains. Right, and the study of cryptods is known
as cryptozoology. Gosh, that's fun to say. And uh, we
have an much older exploration of this. One of the
(02:18):
first episodes we ever did was an update or not
an update, I guess it was an exploration of our
videos on cryptozoology. Ben, Yeah, Cryptozoology show notes, just for
a quick recap to give everybody the lay of the land.
Oh and Matt, you have your Mothman shirt on today?
I just noticed that I did on purpose. You got
gorilla boy mothman. Tristan will get to you. I didn't
(02:41):
mean that to sounds so menacing. We'll find a nickname.
But your next buddy, your next uh. We gotta let
the bad d out of the bag here. Cryptozoology is
at the very least a controversial field. The vast majority
of scientists and any other related subjects zoologists, biology, just
a cologists and so on. I think that cryptozoology is
(03:04):
essentially a pseudo science. Yeah. A lot of times these
scientists with a capital as believe that the cryptozoologists suffer
from confirmation bias, from believing so wholeheartedly that these things exist.
They will take evidence that they find and kind of
make it tell the story that they wish it to be,
(03:26):
sort of cherry pick like, Like if I, like a
zoologists would say, there are rumors of gorilla boy out
in the wild, let's see if it's true, and their
critique is that their criticism rather is that a cryptozoologist
instead would say, I know, gorilla boy is real. I
will find the evidence that supports this. Yeah, it's that
(03:48):
whole getting caught up in the thrill of the hunt thing. Then,
and of course, throughout the centuries, various experts have investigated
claims of previously unidentified animals, and every year the search
for new organisms continues. But but what sort of animals
would be considered cryptids? I mean, you can describe almost
(04:10):
anything you know as a crypto that fits in the
following categories. So we've got um subjects of eyewitness accounts,
historically located creatures from specific region or regions, and most importantly,
they are have they have to be you know, this
is kind of the kicker. They have to not be
acknowledged by the scientific community. Yes, there's imagin Yeah, so
(04:35):
they So we would have, you know, we would have
like old man Frederick saying, I've lived in these woods
for now in fifty years and every moon and it's
not the skunk cape comes out of the swamps. It
does come out down swamps. I'll tell you what. When
I'm on that porch sitting out there, you'll hear to
whisper to win you hear them, hear them grasshopper. Well,
(04:59):
it is it getting weird this accident right here with me,
with me outright as I want to take a moment
to day. This is one of those things, the things
that I just said about them being imaginary, where some
folks ding us or me or whatever for like not
believing fully in the things that we describe. That's not
the point. This stuff is fascinating to think about, and
(05:19):
there are obviously more compelling examples than others. I just
want to throw that out there. I don't think that
that's fine and large cryptids are imaginary, but I just
think it's funny that one of the categories that they
need to fit in is that they are not scientifically
acknowledged to exist, right, And it's a weird thing because
once they are acknowledged, then they become no longer a cryptod.
(05:41):
So this this weird umbrella term applies more to the
position of a proposed organism, right, because once it's a genuine,
scientifically acknowledge organism, then it's just it's not mysterious anymore.
Goes in the Books of Creatures, It's just a stink bird.
It's gun cape. Scuncape is a crypted isn't it a
(06:02):
great name? So the the outlines that Noll provided the
categories there perfectly incorporate all the famous cryptids, you know,
like the big blockbuster cryptids, Bigfoot, Locknest, Monster, Godzilla, Godzilla, yeah,
I don't know if that fits in, but maybe maybe Well,
(06:23):
Godzilla came from the ocean, right, and a creature of
that size could easily could easily disappearance to the ocean.
And I want to say too real quick, not to
get too derailed, but some of the most bizarre and
fascinating creatures that border on seeming as close to like
extraterrestrials we're ever going to get come from the deep
(06:44):
deep I wish. I don't have you ever seen that
Planet Earth episode about the deep dark Ocean. It's insane.
They live, They've got like weird like little lamps hanging
on their foreheads, so they look like something out of
a nightmare. And they're very otherworldly because they exist under
such extreme pressures and they have that adaptation that allows
them to flourish more or less in this bizarre and
(07:05):
lightless environment. When we're going to get to that a
little later. I believe yes because this I'm glad that
we said this, because this definition also incorporates, along with
the really strange things like gigantic snakes, dragons, were like
dinosaur populations, and other allegations, the definition of cryptod also
incorporates animals that you might not think of, like relic
(07:30):
populations of animals that were formerly thought to be extinct,
such as the sea camp Right, everybody thought, well, everybody
in here we go with the scientific racism as well.
Everybody in Western Europe I thought that the sea cant
was extinct despite the vast amounts of native populations going
oh yeah, that fish has always been here and it
(07:51):
sucks to eat. But then you know these scientists finger
quote air quote discovered it and now it's not a crypto.
This could also be animals that look very similar to
known creatures yet are different enough to qualify as their
own species. That's happening a lot with DNA testing now.
But let's face it, let's wake up, smell the folders,
(08:13):
face the facts. The holy Grail of possible cryptics has
never been a small new species of bottle nose blue
fly or the cousin of the finch with a separate
color palette. Oh no, the more things change, the more
they stay the same. And that means what people want
to find. Our big creatures, the godzillas, the godzilla's, the
(08:35):
king congs, right, the Catholics. You know, Cathula is kind
of a proto Godzilla in a lot of ways. I mean,
he came from beneath the ocean's deep and rose up
to crush us. All yeah, but no, nobody wants to
find that, right, Please tell me nobody wants to find
the one who won't be named? Obviously, I'm a huge
(08:57):
fan of Lovecraft, uh, in the at least the mythology,
but none of nothing about his real life. He was
a terrible, terrible person. But okay, but just to get
back on here, Yeah, the idea of this creature is
that it causes other utter madness, right, that's the idea.
Just even thinking about it causes madness. So why would
(09:20):
you want to find one or it or he whatever? Today?
Do you push the boundaries? All right, it's be more hardcore.
What is life if not to be lived? All right? Right?
Did our fortune cookie arguments persuade you? I'm persuaded. You're
right though. People want big animals. People want to find crackings,
(09:42):
abominable snowfolk, thunderbirds, dragons, dinosaurs if you say snowfolk like that. Yeah,
and so it's you know, okay, it's not just a
bunch of snow dudes out there in the Himalayas. One
would hope, but that's a big question. Are there really
any large animals out there? And if so, how can
we find them? But we find them through an impulse
(10:05):
that has been with our species as long as we've
been around, as this search for other life, whether it's
on our planet or elsewhere. So the current age of
man and the anthroposyn puts our species in a uniquely
fortuitous and particularly perilous time um in our search for
undiscovered species. So, due to the spreading of our species
(10:28):
across areas, vast areas of the world previously forbidden to us,
we've got the technology and the wherewithal to go to
places we would not have normally been able to go
in our formative times. Yeah. So as a result of
that propagation, we're also kind of collapsing ecosystems. No, yeah,
(10:49):
totally doing that thing at a alarming and dare we say,
catastrophic rate, which means that we are totally racing ourselves
to discover animals that may already be by the time
we get to them. Yeah. So what I think that's
a very very good point. So we're more capable of
going to the hinterlands of Antarctica, right to the bottom
(11:12):
of the sea floor or yeah, that's perfect too deep,
too deep caves, you know, and and to space to
all these places we can ordinarily never go, so we're
more likely to find stuff that's there if we get
to it before our pollution does. Essentially, we're also very
(11:34):
much in the dark about just how many species remain
out there in the wild. This blows my mind. We
don't know exactly what we will discover in the insect realm.
There are hundreds of thousands of unidentified species, and the
brutal math of the equation ensures that many of them
will vanish before anyone finds and identifies them, including like
(11:55):
native populations. So not just you know, Ivory Tower scientists,
but tribes that are largely uncontacted may not even be
able to identify all of the varieties of moth in
their region. That's weird to think about. In the Census
of Marine Life estimated that Earth is home to about
eight point seven million species, and give or take one
(12:19):
point three million. You know, you gotta when you make
a big number like that and you're estimating the number
of species, especially how many could or could not exist,
you got to give it a bit of an error
margin mayor a little wiggle room. But but this number
ultimately breaks down to six point five million different species
on land and two point two million different species in
(12:41):
the ocean. And if we count microbes, my goodness, that
number skyrockets. So let's jump to when researchers at Indiana
University estimated that there might be between one hundred billion
and one trillion species of microbes out there just kicking
in with us, just hanging out on our skin, just
(13:01):
on that leaf over there. And it's it's like if
you ever get a chance to see those that microscopic
photography of gut bacteria or of like these various micros,
and I mean, it's like fractals inside fractals. It's like
these worlds within worlds that we cannot possibly even contemplate.
Like that's insane to me. And then you think about
our position in you know, the universe and the planet,
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and then as it relates to that, it's just like
more than more than the mind can even read. If
you have not read the Filth, read the graphic novel
the Filth today it also brings to mind supersymmetry. You know,
when you consider that are each of our bodies are
comprised more of other life forms than human cells were outnumbered.
(13:47):
I think that there are five bacterial cells for every
human cell your body, But the size ratio is very different. Right,
But but you're it's absolutely right with the numbers. Human
cells are are much larger. And it's strange, you know,
we're all agglomerations of things, were all much more like
cities in our way than we are individuals. But we
(14:08):
also shouldn't forget that there is still a ton of
Earth left to explore. I mean, technological advancements have been
just huge in this respect. Satellites led, our drones all
given us this glimpse into hitherto unexplored regions remote you know,
um inhospitable that we never would have been able to
(14:32):
lay eyes on, let alone take readings from and learn
about the makeup of the you know, materials and the
climates in the various conditions of these places. Yes, but again,
what about the big stuff? Could a large animal let's
say the size of a labrador, about a labordoodle? Um,
all right, yeah, I can do labordoodle a labordoodle or
(14:52):
up or maybe maybe even you know what, let's raise
the stakes something the size of a horse. Could it
remain under scovered for the entire span of human civilization.
That's a tough one, and I think we're gonna have
to look at that after a quick word from our sponsor,
you rascal, here's where it gets crazy. So what's the answer.
(15:20):
It's possible, it really is. Yeah, no, uh well, we're
a family show, so no, no, tuckus, no doubt. I
used to have a boss who said, I want you
to give me the straight poop, give me the dish,
you know, give me the stuff, the truth, give me
the straight whoop. Was it a cool boss? Now? But
(15:41):
straight poops are pretty cool frame. I think it's like
a northern thing. He was from, like Pennsylvania. Well, right in,
and let us know if you're from a farther the
world where people say straight poop, but it really is,
We'll give you the straight poop here. It really is
possible that entire group of large animals has escaped the
notice of humanity at large. Just a side note, I
(16:01):
think I'm gonna stick with Tuckis. So every time I
was gonna say a tuckis, but is that what that means? Okay,
I'm gonna you know what I've committed to it. I'm
just gonna I'm gonna ride this pony into the sunset.
Rite the scripted into the sunset. There are big obstacles
to this concept, even though it is possible. Um, we
(16:21):
have to consider something that we've looked at in the
past when we specifically examined, uh say, bigfoot or large
the rumors of dinosaurs and African forest. The thing is,
a large animal needs a lot of energy and it
would probably have a measurable impact on an observable ecosystem
that would be in proportion to or commensurate with its size.
(16:45):
So one great example of this is whenever a whale
dies and it sinks to the seabed and it becomes
this sort of funereal, rotting oasis for the creatures of
the deep. Yeah, it's like that story that came out
not too long ago out of Indonesia where there was
this these photographs and video of what looks like a
(17:05):
lockness monster type thing or some kind of crazy you know,
see elephant or something, and it turns out it's just
the carcass, the gelatinous, molten carcass of a baling whale,
I believe, But it starts to contort and stretch and
do all this bizarre stuff. And yeah, whale skulls look
rather odd when all the stuff's peeled back from it, right.
(17:29):
I think that's a very it's a very polite way
to say it. I will I will say that they
look fascinating and terrifying in a way. Imagine looks like tusks.
Imagine living thousands of years ago and then discovering these
bones that would wash up on shore. It's interesting though.
In an article and Live Science relating to the sighting,
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I was just talking about a whale biologist by the
name of Alexander Worth. There's an interesting quote here that
I think pertains to our discussion. He says, quote, they're
there's lots of stuff in the ocean that we don't
know about, but there's nothing that big that remains unknown.
That's yeah. And that's the thing because that's a controversial um.
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That's still a point of contention, obviously in one man's opinion.
But it is an expert. He's not like just some
guy who's hanging out selling couzies and speedoes. He's not
a wil hobbyist. He's not wil enthusiasts. Yeah, it's it's
true though it's uh, it's true. On land that large
animals would have likely already been observed by humans, or
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in areas where they would come into contact with humans,
they might have already been hunted to death, died due
to pollution, or become unable to compete for their normal
breeding territory, their food of choice, other resources. Uh, this happens.
Look at the wooly mammoth. Uh. They may also become
unable to accomplish annual migrations, and this is in effect
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another death sentence, just a slower one. Yeah, just the
really fasket. Back to the amount of energy that encrypted
would require. So there are a couple of things that
just come come to my mind when we're thinking about this.
So if you're thinking about a singular animal, right, and
then you think about how much food that I am
over will require, you have to think is in an
herbivore an omnivore? Does it eat primarily meat? And then
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think about how much energy, like we said, that would
require to eat. Then imagine this thing isn't alone. If
there is a big foot, there is a family of
bigfoots unless they're you know, they live forever, right, or
whatever animal it is, a horse sized creature, there's gonna
be a herd at least of them that has survived
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over the century. It reminds me of that band name.
And you will know us by our trail of dead,
and us by the trail of the dead. Well, yeah, sure,
And maybe it's just grass that's getting eaten or some
plant that exists out in the middle of nowhere. But
you know there's gonna be a big whole of resources
where these things survive. Right. And despite all these problems,
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all these very valid let's call them cons to the
argument for a large animal. Uh, we have one big
pro on the other side. That is that the world
is enormous. There are still a few places where it's
possible that humanity could discover something the size of a
labrador a labradoodle or larger. In fact, it's more possible
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now than at any other point in human history. So
we can look at different regions of the world, uh
and see whether what would be the most or least
likely to harbor an undiscovered large life form. So our
first stop on this journey would be to the jungles
and the massive forests of the planet. Once these things
(20:53):
span entire continents, they just nothing but trees as far
as the eye could see. But now, because of manufacturing
and egg cultural techniques, these things have been drastically reduced,
both in in terms of their size um and the
bio diversity within their ecosystem. So a lot of the
animals have been dying off. We're inside a mass die
(21:16):
off right now of species, and we've been kind of
ramping up to that in the past few hundred years.
Paleontologists will tell you that we are we are officially
in the sixth great extinction in the history of this planet,
like dinosaur leveling stuff. You know. Um, maybe not as
sudden as impact events, right, but in many ways as
(21:43):
as lethal. And this is not like this is not
in any way involved with um political standpoints or ideologies.
This is this is just hard science. There are resources
that we use that we extract and one of those
is would and trees, and that's what we've been doing
for a long time, and humanity has been expanding. It's
(22:05):
just kind of the way we've been going. I'm sort
of torn on the point to where people say that
we should stop as a species from pursuing agriculture right,
because it keeps people alive. So at what point do
we stop letting people eat you know what I mean?
(22:26):
Or stop letting people reproduce, yeah, or stop letting people
choose what they want to eat? Right? Because if the
entire world went vegetarian, there's that argument that, uh, the
there would be less pollution and that there would also
be more food for people. There's vertical farms, man, we
gotta start getting those. Yeah. But I am a I
(22:47):
am just a walking garbage disposal. I haven't really met
food that I wouldn't he I've met something that I
didn't like. You have a whole show where you just
eat trash food. Anybody who's listening to this and doesn't
have access to the house Stuff Works Facebook page, I
just have to throw this out here right now. Ben
and uh somebody who's been on our show before, Lauren Vogelbaum.
(23:10):
They do a show called snack Stuff, And yesterday during
the live broadcast, Ben not only did he eat canned
rattlesnake and Lauren both they both did. Uh. They took
a shot of rattlesnake can juice at the end of
like a Gravy, disgusting the look on poor Ben's face.
(23:34):
It was really bad. So the rattle sneak itself doesn't
taste bad that the texture is really similar to like
pulled pork can. Yeah, can canned stuff weird to me.
Potted meat can stuff in general? How me? Beans are
okayltic beans, but potted meat now, Yeah, it's always it's
always fascinating when you see that stuff in the grocery
(23:57):
store and it's not refrigerated and read the ingredients, you
check the expiration date and you're like, wow, this could
be sitting on the shelf for another four years. Yeah,
and and it'd be fine, right, it would be no
worse than it was. But but yes, I we do
have that show with our esteemed uh friend and colleague
(24:17):
and also co host of a new show called food Stuff,
Lauren vogelbaumb So do check that out when you get
a chance. All right, let's get back to the jungle.
Welcome to the jungle. Uh. There are problems with investigating
allegations of cryptids in the jungle. Let's take the world's
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largest tropical rainforce at the time of this recording, it's
the Amazon and it's been the site of hundreds of
cryptid sightings or you know, eyewitness accounts. Here's what makes
it tough to hunt for cryptids in a place like
the Amazon. The jungle is hungry. It is. It aggressively
devot hours buildings, structures, roads without constant maintenance. Um, it's
(25:08):
very difficult to well, it's very difficult with constant maintenance
to keep man made structures around and viable, and without it, boom,
the jungle just swallows them up. Yeah. I can totally
identify with this because we just had ivy growing growing
in our backyard and every couple of weeks I'd have
to go back there and take care of it or
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that thing would just get overrun with just some simple ivy.
From here in the Southeastern United States, very uh, certain
plants are very motivating, you know. Uh kud Zoo is
the legendary example here in the Southeast, but that still
has very little on the Amazonian jungle. Entire cities have
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been lost in the Amazon and only recently found again
with the use of sophisticated laser based surveillance technology like LIE.
It are like no one mentioned earlier. So if you're
if you don't have the resources to go to an
isolated place and maintain a life long enough to maintain
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a structure and a like a an operation long enough
to observe this stuff. Your chances of seeing anything are
pretty small, especially if you're looking for something specific. You
might be having a needle in a haystack moment. And
given the vast biodiversity, it's also possible that people who
believe they've seen a cryptid are misidentifying another known creature.
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Here's a question, you guys on a movie Anaconda? Where
John that spoiler? Yep? Is it? Yep? Oh? What a snake?
A movie with the name Anaconda has a snake in it? Well, no,
the giant snake, but specifically the character. I didn't say
what it did after it? H John, Boy, that's the twist,
(26:56):
Now you do. We've been over the statue of limitation.
It's a grea. Come on. My question though, is like,
would an absurdly large version of a known species be
considered a cryptod? Yeah? I would. I would argue yes,
because it would be. It's it's an interesting question. So
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is it an individual that's a very large antaconda or
is it a group of anacondas that are that are
growing and reptiles are weird too, because some reptiles will
just continue to grow, just spooky stuff. Yeah, but I
think you know, that's a good question. I would say,
I want to throw that to the listeners too. So ladies, gentlemen,
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and cryptids, if you're in the audience, let us know
what you think is is outsized a very large version
of a known animal. Does that count as acrypted? I
would say, I'm tempted to say yes. And can the Internet?
Oh boy, thank you can? If it's encrypted? Are leaving
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right now. So despite the difficulty in establishing your research
outpost and the ease of misidentification, new species are still
being found in the world's forest and Jungles and may
Ofen researchers found a brand new primate and angola. Think
about that, a brand new primate that is a large animal.
(28:23):
It's not huge, but it's at least, you know, it's
larger than a little bird. They're literally calling it the
pigmy galago, so well, that means they're calling it a pigmy.
It's not like some ironic little john things or something.
It's small. Yeah, it's only six point five inches long,
so it isn't a large animal, just a undiscovered one. Sure,
(28:45):
but you know one person six point five inches. When
you think about microbes and you think about insects, I'm
I'm still saying it's big. Yeah, it's big, but it's
not labradoodle. But let's let's continue our search. Let's visit
some other biomas. What about mountains and deserts. Let's get
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this one out of the way. Deserts are some of
the most brutal locations in the entire world on this planet.
If you're in a desert, there's not much worse places
you can be to live as an animal. You gotta
put up with a whole lot of stuff. You have
to adapt like crazy. Deserts aren't always hot. Like to
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think about the empty quarter in Saudi Arabia or part
of the parts of the Saharta which most people think of.
You know, those are those are hot deserts. But Antarctica
has desert uh in it. Yes, if living was a
video game, deserts would be the stages that count as
hard mode. Oh for sure. So temperature is not the
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primary defining trait of a desert. UH. Area with little
vegetation is a desert, and fewer species of animals exists
in deserts in comparison to other biomas. One famous cryptid
described in the desert to Mongolia is the Mongolian death worm,
which I had a phase. I was totally obsessed with
(30:10):
this thing. Man, it sounds like a sandworm type thing.
But like the guys from Tremors, it's like, yeah, it's
kind of like a smaller version of that. But they
think that. People say that it can spit acid or
is coated with some sort of acid. But but I
you know, it's a very remote area, but it's it's
(30:31):
tough to think that there hasn't been one found, you know,
unless it's maybe its body is completely cartilagenous, so when
it dies, it doesn't leave anything, right, that's a possibility.
I don't know. It just returns back to the sand,
to the sand from which it came. So cryptids are
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A large cryptid is probably not located in the desert.
Mountains are different story. Some animals thrive in the heights,
and although we know they exist, it's tough to find them.
Like it's exceedingly rare for human beings. To get a
glimpse of the Himalayan snow leopard, which is a real thing. Yeah, yeah,
it exists, and they're lurking out there. But the times
(31:13):
that they come out, uh, you know, there aren't humans
around a lot of times. They're very wary of other animals,
and they were pretty well camouflaged, right, And isn't the
aren't they designed more or less to blend in with
you know, heavy snows designed design intelligently. Yeah, yeah, this
is one of the places where there are heavily region
(31:36):
based reports of the abominable snowfolk. The yetie. Well, it's
so isolated right when you're when you're talking about the
Himalayan mountains, new types of bears and goats, and not
all mountains are created equally, you know, so you're absolutely
right about the Himalayas. We also would have to consider,
(31:58):
you know, more thor explored mountains in Western Europe probably
don't have any large unidentified animals because that area is
so heavily populated by humans comparatively speaking. But there's another
more exciting thing. We're talking about mountains, deserts. We have
a very special case caves. So I was thinking before
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when we talked about how there's probably not a large
undiscovered animal in you know, the Sahara or a sand desert.
What I should have said was on the surface, because
caves are a very special case. They're often removed from
the planet's main source of energy, the sun. We're big
(32:43):
fans of Planet Earth. We I think we mentioned that
earlier the show, right um, in the episode on caves.
One thing that's very interesting the original Planet Earth is
they talked about how the entire ecosystem is supported by guano,
uh by you know, uh bat. I guess still stick
(33:03):
with straight bat poop, straight bat poop because they fly
out and uh eat creatures or eat things that grow
in accordance with sunlight and other other parts of the
food chain. And so now the subterranean system is one
step further away from the source of energy, and this
(33:25):
deficit of available energy would ordinarily mean no large creature
could exist, but there's another option to consider the Earth's
internal heat source, the energy that powers geysers and volcanoes.
There hasn't been a large living crypto discovered in cave systems,
at least not yet, but we do know for sure
the world beneath our feet teams with undiscovered, very strange life.
(33:47):
As we record this podcast, spelunkers and scholars alike are
still discovering extremely strange creatures thousands of feet beneath the ground.
And yeah, a lot of them are blind, like just
no eyes, atrophy, spooky spooky stuff. Well, it's a difficult
thing to get down very far into the earth. It's
(34:08):
not easy to do, and it takes a lot of
equipment and specialized training to do that. So you can't
just have a mass search, you know, throughout the globe.
Everything cave cave in. That's a possibility of flooding of
good point dangerous. One of the most dangerous pursuits actually
is cave diving. And apparently there's still pockets of caverns
(34:34):
that are only accessible through a long underwater rout. And
then these these ecosystems within these caverns function kind of
like did you ever see do you guys ever see
those little glass balls that have like plants growing in
them and their own water system. It functions like that
in sort of a bubble in an envelope, and it's
(34:56):
completely possible that something lives there. But when we're speaking
of things that look very alien to us normal us
surface walkers, day walkers, we have one big area left
to explore. We'll get to it after a word from
our sponsor. So I alluded to this earlier in the
(35:25):
show is one of my favorite episodes of Planet Earth.
Of all of the ecosystems on this planet, the ocean
gives us the best odds for discovering a large cryptid
like a Godzilla. Um experts believe that we've explored going
on five per cent of the world seabed, and too
many experts and amateurs arelike this vast unknown stretch of
(35:51):
the world poses the greatest possibility discovering new large animals
to wit sea monster. Yeah, man, And we've been finding
some of these things over the years, and you know,
just in the recent past, we found the colossal squid.
We found a whale that had a beak. No, it
(36:11):
wasn't not it wasn't really a beak, but it was
the beaked whale. Yeah, And then there were we we know,
there are other things to discover. So you've probably if
you were a fan of this show, that means you
have probably, like us, gone down the rabbit hole before
where you look up mysterious carcasses washed ashore. Uh Noel
pointed out earlier that whales washed ashore pretty often, and Matt,
(36:36):
you and I have talked about this off air. A
lot of those carcasses look radically different from a living
whale and have often been misidentified as something else. But
even with that being said, there are genuine accounts of
experts not being able to identify the thing that washed
up and just saying, we don't know. Maybe it's some
(36:57):
kind of deep sea love crafty shark. Maybe it's a
Pacific rim style kaiju. I don't know, man, maybe got
dislodged when a ship sank, or something. Who knows. And
just like life and cave systems, there's one big objection
to the idea of a large creature living in the
deep that is energy. So we talked about some of
(37:18):
those really strange like deep sea angler fish and tiny
um tiny octopoid looking things. Uh. The truth of the
matter is that the abyssal plane, under that immense pressure
that Matt mentioned, animals are going to tend to be
smaller as a rule, and they're also further away from
that source of energy sunlight. But also similar to the
(37:40):
gave idea, we do know of one very bizarre feature
of the ocean floor geothermal events. So these geothermal events
emit intense heat from the earth and they act as
a kind of underwater oasis um for extreme aphiles and
just possibly other larger forms of life. So this means,
(38:02):
to steal a line from Dumb and Dumber, we're saying,
there's a chance there is a chance that there's large
undiscovered life. Not a very good chance, not not really
good odds if you're gambling. But if something large and
undiscovered exists, it almost certainly would have to exist in
(38:22):
the ocean. Yeah, and it have to be able to
hide or at least conceal itself in some way to
evade all of the different tracking techniques that we have.
Where you can look at the bottom of the ocean floor,
anything that is existing there, the the fishing, the technology
that large fisheries use, you can you can see what's
(38:45):
on the bottom of the floor. And then there's this
is just a brainstorm thing. It's entirely speculation on my part,
but there is a possibility that other forms of life
would be discovered in the deep by militaries using submarines,
and then they would choose not to reveal it because
doing so would also reveal the technology they used to
(39:07):
find the thing, but you at a certain level that
they're at, you know, where they're able to or maybe
even where they're operating. Right, it's like, what is this? What?
What is this Russian sub doing in the Indian Ocean? Yeah,
you know what I mean. Uh, it's so and that's
purely speculation on my part. That might as well be
(39:27):
the plot for a dime store novels. You should hop
on that, man, should? I should in general hop more often. Yeah. Yeah,
and then I think you're selling it a short a
dime store. No that is that is a potential best
selling Well, thank you so much. The collapse of oceanic ecosystems.
(39:48):
As we said, the key here is that this becomes
a time sensitive pursuit. Humanity's explorers are racing against humanity's pollution,
So if something big exists out there, it's also tragically
likely that it will be extinct before we actually see it. Jeez,
(40:10):
that's a that's a tough thought. He's we've all seen
images I'm assuming of is it the Pacific trash? Yeah
and all that. I mean, that's just it's hard to
know that that's happening. And in some way, I guess
we're all just contributing to that. It's a care time
(40:32):
will come. Yeah, it feels like it's getting here. What
goes around comes around, I like. I like both of those,
like a trash more text feel splin see, I feel
like a rose about a thorn. So I'm trying to
figure out why this would happen all of us. We
hope that you enjoyed this exploration and if you are
(40:53):
interested in crypto zoology, please do check out our earlier
videos and podcast. We have very special announced vote for
you at the end of the show, a little bit
of a teaser if you will. But before that, enough
about us, what about you? Shot at Corners. Our first
shout out today comes from Jenna, who wrote to us
(41:14):
after watching etcht In's Secret Our Georgia Guidestone's documentary on Amazon.
If you haven't seen it yet, do it now. Jenna
had some very interesting ideas about the future of humanity,
but more importantly, she had a fantastic episode suggestion. So
Jenna says, a person I think would be interesting to
explore in a podcast is the UNI bomber ted Kazinski.
He convinced the FBI to publish his manifesto against the
(41:36):
system in the Washington Post. It is the single day
when the most newspapers were sold, so he would stop
the bombs being sent through the mail. He convinced the
FBI to publish his manifesto against the system in the
Washington Post. And that happened to be the day when
they sold the most newspapers to that point. And that's
(41:56):
what she says. I'm not I haven't. We haven't confirmed
that independently, but it wouldn't surprise me if that were
very close to the case. And he did this so
that he would basically he held them hostage more or less,
that he would stop sending bombs in the mail if
they would agree to publish his manifesto. UM. It led
to his arrest and his court appointed attorneys wanted to
(42:17):
plead insanity, so Kazinski fired them and wanted to speak
for himself. UM. He did have several degrees though, and
we're in law. UM. Yet he was forced into a
plea deal because the FBI didn't want the public to
see how logical he was. Interesting perspective. UM. He now
has several books published. Of a side note, it was
(42:37):
three guns that killed jfk Okay All right, No, no
further there. Thanks for the great podcast, Thanks for the
interesting perspectives. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's a very interesting
point that I think would make a a good topic
for examination in an episode. Let us know if you
(42:59):
agree with Jenna and would like us to delve into
the biography of the UNI bomber, along with his motivations
and legal proceedings, because he very much does believe there's
stuff they don't want you to know. Our next shout
out goes out to Dannara, who sent us a message
to quote chime in, Oh excuse me, chime in about
(43:23):
our serial Killers on the Loose, Part two episode, specifically
about the Oakland County child. Yeah, I remember this one, Okay,
So Dinara says, my memories are fuzzy, but I grew
up in Detroit. My dad had been a d A,
a district attorney in Wayne County. That's Detroit City. Oakland
County is the next county to the north. I was
about eight years old when the killings took place. We
(43:44):
never once called him the babysitter. The grown ups called him,
quote the snow killer because they always found the kids
posed as snow angels. The night after a new snowfall.
US kids called him the snow Angel, mostly in whispers.
My dad and his family were staunchly Catholic. Grandfather did
pr public relations work for the diocese for free. Dad
(44:06):
did legal work for the diocese, also for free. This
matters because Dad was having a conversation with one of
the cops involved and this subject came up. The cop
was spitting mad because they knew who did it and
they couldn't touch him. Okay, that's news to me. He
was a Catholic priest. Dad didn't believe it. Neither did grandfather. Okay,
(44:27):
that just pulling out of the listener mail really fast.
I had not seen that anywhere in the research. But that's,
you know, fascinating. I'm gonna look into that now. We're
going back in The priest got hit by a car
and died, and the killings stopped once the snow started falling.
The next year and there were no bodies. Dad said,
(44:48):
we didn't have to go to church anymore. Grandfather had
stopped going over the summer, and they both cut off
all contact with the Catholic clergy, even their best friends.
Neither of them ever talked about it. Geez, Okay, so
on top of his legal career, Dad wrote books crime novels.
When he found out he was dying, he started writing
The Snow Killer and unfortunately he died before finishing it. Geez,
(45:11):
this is this is fascinating information. Thank you for writing
in Diner, because we didn't find in the course of
the research we're doing, uh, information about Catholic priests being involved. No,
not at all, and a lot of that stuff. I
never saw the snow Killer mentioned in any of the
articles that were written at the time, so I don't know.
News to me. Thank you so much for writing. And
(45:31):
we have one more shout out today is to Brent.
Brent says, guys, just listen to the Red Mercury episode.
A couple of points. You mentioned the possibility of red
mercury being a code name for something else. There is
a precedent for this in the nuclear community. During World
War Two, uranium was always referred to by the code
name copper. So how did they refer to element twenty
(45:52):
nine actual copper? It was honest to god copper. Also,
you're right, buying a pig in a poke as buying
something site unseen, often a dog or cat, rather than
an actual pig, thus inadvertently revealing the scam was letting
the cat out of the bag. Keep it going. Thank
you for the etymology lessons there, Brent. That's pretty awesome
talk about connecting dots. Yeah, I think we're gonna stick
(46:14):
stick with Badger. So I've never bought a dog in
a bag, no, or a pig. Nol is nodding in
a very like sympathetic way right now. Well, I mean,
I don't know. It just seems like a real stretch
to agree to buying a creature sight unsea. I mean,
what if it turns out to be some sort of
bizarre acid spitting cryptid that as soon as you open
(46:37):
that string, jumps right out and you know, melts your
face off with its acid venom. Should make a p
s A. We should do a p s A against
buying things, uh, buying things in bags without looking inside
the bag. Because I have a kid, and there's a
big thing the kids love these days is these little
things you buy, these little trinkets where you don't know
(46:59):
what's in it. It's like it looks like a little
yogurt cup. It's got this little like an Asian kind
of drinket that it's a stamp or a lip balm
or something like that. And the whole joy of it
is in not knowing what it is. But at least
you know that it's not gonna eat your face off.
It's not a living creature. That's That's honestly why I
love magic cards. When you buy the packs and you
don't know what the rars. Maybe one do you get
(47:21):
a live pig? Oh? I only hope. So, speaking in
fantastic segways, this concludes ours but not our show. Visit
our website stuff. They don't want you to know. To
check out any and all of the episodes that Matt,
Noel and I have done in previous dage. Can I
do a plug? Yeah, we got show. It's not our,
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but we participated in it. It's um. I don't know
if you guys are familiar with the wonderful wonderful publication
and website mental flaws. Well, the two dudes Will and
Man guests that actually founded that publication work for us.
Now not us stuff. They don't want you to know us.
You know the greater how stuff works. They work, They
do work with us, and they are lovely, lovely dudes
and they have a new show called Part Time Genius
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and the music and sound design, and Tristan who's producing
the show, did the editing, and I did some promotional
videos did Indeed, we all had actually all fingers in
that particular batcherpot. It takes a it takes a village,
and we think that you were really going to enjoy
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this show. The guys worked really hard on it. They
are brilliant. Uh, they're far, far too humble in my opinion.
And I used to funny funny story. I've been a
fan for years from the Mental Flush days. I have
an autographed book of theirs. It's a it's strange, but yeah,
the show is out now. I think they released four
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and one last thing, lest we forget, gentlemen, UH listeners,
we have a special treat. Very soon we will be
having David Bakara, the gentleman who runs Expedition Bigfoot speaking
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he's gonna be coming physically in to this studio, into
this room, and we're going to speak with him, hopefully
next week. In the meantime, if you have a topic
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