Did aliens appear over Los Angeles?

In the wee hours of February 25th, 1942, air raid sirens resounded across LA. Anti-aircraft guns fired the better part of 1500 shells at something. To many people, that mysterious UFO has yet to be identified, more than half a century later. So what really happened?

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

(00:24):
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Nol, my name has been your you. And
when all of us joined forces together, that makes this
stuff they don't want you to know. It basically formed
like Vultron. I'm the hack a Vultra, a shadowy Vultron
that would appear on the X Files. And today we're

(00:45):
going to talk about, uh, something historical, something obscure, something
that might be related to UFOs. And as you guys know,
I'm really excited every time we can check out one
of these episodes. Something that was made into a film
in the two thousands, well has a title. This is

(01:05):
something that has always bugged me and probably bugs a
lot of other people as well, when they say the
following events are the following motion picture is based on
actual events, right like Chainsaw Massacre is based on ed
Gain I believe his name was, but very very very

(01:26):
very very very loosely and the fact that they had
a lot of barbecue in Texas. Oh boy, with those
two things combined, they made the Vultron of movies. That is,
how do we miss that in the cannibalism episode? That
was that's a good point. This this time, what we're
talking about occurs in two in the wee hours February.

(01:54):
Technically it's the twenty five February one am in l
A air raid sirens sound across Los Angeles County, and
this was a signal for what was initially taken to
be an attack by Japanese air forces. Yeah, an attack
over a populated area. So the authorities they order to
blackout through the entire or most of the county in

(02:16):
that area to reduce visibility for bombers precisely. Now, if
I'm a bomber going over, I can't see exactly where
I'm going now, or at least not as easily. So.
Then at three sixteen in the morning, the thirty seventh
Coast Artillery Brigade began firing fifty caliber machine guns and
twelve point eight pound anti aircraft shells into the air

(02:38):
at reported aircraft. The artillery fire continued into the night,
well morning, rather the wee hours. Let's say, almost fift
hundred shells were fired, so pilots from the fourth Interceptor
Command were alerted. Is very important, but their aircraft remained
on the grounds. After about an hour of this intense
shelling that Knolls described, the all clear was sounded, the

(03:02):
blackout order was lifted. It was seven tw one in
the morning. This is a crazy day. What's that about, right,
that's that's me. That's me, you know, awakened by this
heavy artillery fire, and then you wake up in the
morning and it's like nothing to see here? What what's
going on? Moving on? We're gonna get into it, but
the tensions are super high for even civilians who were

(03:24):
just living there in that area. And we'll get into why.
But yeah, you can imagine this would be a terrifying
moment being in your house as you're hearing this overhead.
I probably downpladed a little bit. It would be a
little more than what's that? Yeah, I don't know, you know,
when that when that latest how unfortunate it is to
say it this way. When that latest string of failed

(03:47):
coordinated bombings occurred in New York, when that dumpster exploded
and Chelsea, a lot of the New Yorkers interviewed were
saying like, yeah, and they're closing down the road. I
got stuff to do. You know that buddy of mine
was at into Noble a couple of blocks away and
said he just thought it was thunder, didn't think anything
of it. Yeah, then imagine that happening above your head approximately,

(04:08):
you know, hundreds and thousands of times. Right, sounds exactly.
So let's look at the aftermath. So wake up seven
one am. You know, the lights are back on. People
are wandering out to work checking damage. Several vehicles and
buildings were damaged by fragments, but shell fragments from the

(04:30):
anti aircraft shelves, not wreckage from some aircraft. And there
were people who died, but luckily less than you the
less than you would think according to the official story. Yeah,
because of the blackouts, there were still vehicles on the road,
and there were I believe three car accidents or at
least three fatalities involved with car accidents. And there were

(04:53):
also a few fatal heart attacks or something something really
with the heart to heart attacks. Yeah, the incident was
front page news along the U. S. Specific coast. They
earned some mass media coverage throughout the nation and laguer
days and then people were asking exactly what you said,
you like, what happened? What? What? What the hell? Guys?
You know, it's three in the morning, And they went

(05:17):
to Uncle Sam So, the secretary of the Navy at
the time, a guy called Frank Knox held the press
conference um and the message delivered to those in attendance
was that this had been a false alarm due to
anxiety and war nerves. Nerves. Yeah, well sure, war nerves,

(05:41):
because thank you, I like that sound a lot. But
this was contradicted by the Army the next day in
a statement relaying General George C. Marshall's belief that the
incident may have been caused by commercial planes, airplanes that
were being used as some kind of psychological warfare campaigning
to generate panic amongst the citizens. Yeah, the Army initially

(06:04):
stated there were possibly five light enemy aircraft launched from
secret bases within California, Mexico or from offshore submarines. Furthermore,
there were thousands of on the ground witnesses, along with
what would become a notorious photograph, and as we said,
inevitably media began to pick up the story. Some contemporary

(06:26):
press outlets suspected a cover up in the Long Beach Independent,
The editor wrote, as a mysterious reticence about the whole
of fan it seems that some form a census ship
is trying to halt discussion on the matter. Say yeah,
I don't think you said see at the end. But
speculation was rampant, and there were several different theories about this, right, So,

(06:47):
needless to say, there was a whole lot of speculation
going on because these different statements didn't really give the
general public gole hell of a lot to go on,
especially from two of the major military arms that are
giving conflicting stuff, totally contradictory, and just the idea that
something of this magnitude could happen, you know, as a

(07:09):
result of nerves, that's pretty terrifying in and of itself.
That would not put me, uh in a very good
state of mind, when, as you know, Pearl Harbor had
happened not terribly long before this, so people were probably
already a little on edge about the potential of that
happening again, um under the cover of night, and then
the fact that their own government isn't giving them much

(07:32):
actual information. I do not think that created a particularly
confident public. The speculation wasn't something relegated to the fringes
of society. You know, it wasn't some group of people
gathered in smoky room with one line around them going
I don't think the story was true. It's like the
l a Times, It's like the the newspapers of note.

(07:54):
And so what were some of these theories, What was
some of the speculation, some of these music things, yes,
some of these music I will I will play this
reindeer game. First, there were theories, as we mentioned, about
stuff like a secret base in northern Mexico, so not
in the US but on the continent, right, because logically

(08:16):
be very difficult to smuggle in the requisite hardware to
create a secret military base. But that was an idea,
wasn't it. And that was one of the ideas yet.
And then there is something else, the idea that there
were Japanese submarines stationed off shore with the capability of
carrying planes, which sounds so from a technological standpoint, amazing, right,

(08:39):
But as you can imagine, it's still pretty difficult to do.
And that was compounded by the fact that a Japanese
submarine did surface off the Pacific earlier before, so people
were pretty spooked about it. Others speculated that the incident
was either staged or exaggerated, a false flag attack, perhaps
to give co stole defense industries and excuse to move

(09:02):
further inland. So that's a corporate motivation, you know, profit
and safety motivation. But this went all the way to
government officials calling for a congressional investigation. A representative from
Santa Monica congressional Representative leland Ford called for an investigation, saying, quote,
none of the explanations so far offered removed the episode

(09:24):
from the category of complete mystification. This was either a
practice raid, or a raid to throw a scare into
two million people, or a mistaken identity raid, or a
raid to lay a political foundation to take away Southern
California's war industries. You say, and I think it's some
kind of raid. It's some kind of raid, but for
what I don't know. So what happened, we'll get to

(09:48):
that after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where
it gets crazy. Even in the modern day, or we're
recording this in twenty sixteen, even in the modern day,
you will hear several different theories regarding what really happened.

(10:12):
I'm loving that finger quote sound effect. No, it's perfect. Uh.
What really happened in those in those late hours in
the most popular alternative theories today involve either a Japanese
covered up attack that you know, they were embarrassed about
they didn't want to admit, or the emergence of some
kind of top secret aircraft, you know, something that came

(10:34):
straight out of Nevada somewhere in a secret test facility.
Or that perhaps these were extraterrestrials. Maybe not, maybe just
the UFO, but you know that alien specter remains. When
I first saw that the idea that, like it was,
they would cover up a Japanese attack, I was like,
that's ridiculous, Why would you keep your citizens in the dark.
But but you make a good point. Maybe it didn't

(10:56):
want to admit that they had been they got got Yeah, no, really,
it's legit on it. So if this turned out to
be true, it would be not only an astonishing moment
in US history, but one of the largest cover ups
in recent history as well. There's an important note that
I'll reiterate here, uh as as you guys have pointed out,

(11:19):
this occurred very soon after the Pearl Harbor attack. Pearl
Harbor occurred on December seventh. This occurred February two, So
uh as, as we've pointed out before in this in
this show, civilians, military officials in the media like to
believe the West Coast would be the next target. The

(11:41):
day before this attack occurred, a Japanese submarine had surface
near Santa Barbara. So there are all these anti aircraft
batteries along the West coast. They were on high alert.
They were told to be ready at any given moment,
told to be on the lookout for anything unusual, and
they were working as active stations, ready to fire at

(12:04):
any moment, and they were taught that they were supposed
to expect an attack at any moment. These people were
assured that something terrible was going to happen, and psychologically,
we'll see that that's very important and could be a
deciding factor. Let's look at those three most popular theories
about what happens. When I say popular, I don't necessarily

(12:26):
mean the one that Uncle Sam accepts, because there is
one that Uncle Sam believes is the true is the
official narrative. Uh So, what what's the first one? So
Japan did in fact have a secret air based weapons program.
In the US during w W two it was called
the FuGO bombing balloons like actually like balloons. Yeah, yeah,

(12:47):
So their existence was kind of kept under wraps until
a balloon bomb killed six people having a nice picking
nick in Oregon. But if these balloon bomb devices had
somehow reached Los Angeles, neither the US nor Japan have
any records to show that this was the case. But again,

(13:09):
double butt. These were only launched against America from nineteen
forty four onwards so far as we know, So that
would mean that there's a problem with the timeline. Right.
If this attack occurs in nineteen two, and everything we
know about these bombs says that they don't exist intil
ninety four, then they couldn't have had it. But there's

(13:29):
another kicker here. They weren't the only other army with
this sort of plan. The United Kingdom was using a
similar tactic and earlier, so their first evaluation of when
of whether these bombs could be used on balloons occurs
in like nineteen thirty seven, So in ninety two, the
concept of some sort of balloon weapon, as silt as

(13:50):
it might sound, was definitely around. It was like in
the zeitgeist. Governments were thinking about it, so just to
kind of paint the picture here, these are pretty interesting,
you know, by today's standards. Rudimentary bombing devices is basically
a hydrogen balloon with a series of chords or wires
or ropes attached around the mid section of the balloon

(14:11):
going down to a point. Then there's a ring with
the payload I guess you could say in the center,
and then a series of sandbags around it. And then
you were saying that there were different regulators altimeters. I
believe that could determine what altitude the balloon was in
and then cut chords for sandbags to get it to
go higher, and then once it reached a certain altitude,

(14:33):
it would release a charge that would drop the payload. Right. Yeah,
it was on a timer system, so after it, if
it went too high, would vent hydrogen, so it would descend,
drop sandbags to us end to keep it in this
range of altitude, and then when it hit its timeline,
then it would drop everything, including the bombs. So very clever.

(14:56):
It does seem a little rudimentary in our modern a
age of drones hard to target, right right, hard to
target and not necessarily uh effective in the larger scheme
of war. But a small number had been recorded, right,
and they were and even some were shot down by

(15:19):
fighter aircraft. But there's a worrying thing about these is
that they were they had a high altitude, and they
had a surprisingly fast speed. That was the main difficulty
for fighter aircraft. So it is possible that a weaponized
balloon could have been there. But there's another theory. While
we're on balloons. So speaking of these balloons, the US

(15:41):
official position is that these were UFOs. They're unidentified flying objects,
but they were waiting for it. Stop me if you've
heard this one. Meteorological balloons, weather balloons. Oh, weather balloons
making a return appearance and swamp gas. Yeah, no, no,
it's just there was swamp gas of weather balloons yet

(16:02):
and this comes from a little bit more recent, uh circumstances.
Almost fifty years later, the Office of Air Force History
concluded that a careful study of the evidence suggests that
these meteorological balloons known to have been released over Los
Angeles may well have caused the initial alarm. This theory

(16:23):
is supported by the fact that anti aircraft artillery units
were officially criticized for having wasted ammunition on targets which
moved too slowly to have been airplanes. So weather balloons
were released from each of the approximately dozen anti aircraft
positions around the city every six hours. And if we

(16:45):
look at this from a unpacking or slightly if we
look at the timeline and sequence of events, his what
we find. So these these balloons, these weather balloons, they say,
were illuminated from below by an enclosed candle and was
designed flecked off the silver lining of the balloon to
ensure that you could see it. So reports suggests that

(17:06):
the gunners from all but one battery must stook the
balloons for planes and open fire sounds. You know. It
sounds like the old argument of incompetence versus malevolence, right, So,
I don't know, We've got to think of the mentality
of the time, where people, you know, were understandably on edge,
and as you said, there was this, uh, this overarching idea,

(17:29):
this notion that an attack was eminent, you know. And
I'm not making excuses for raight, but I think they
should be trained and they should be able to react accordingly.
But I don't find this particular explanation to be too
much of a stretch. It also has to do with
with communication that's occurring between the different arms of the military,
like depending on who released the balloons, if it's army

(17:50):
personnel who are shooting at these things, but it's air
force personnel that released the balloons or you know, naval personnel,
and there wasn't good communication about when they're being launched
and wear and it may even go further. That's a
good point because these anti aircraft positions, uh were these
anti aircraft positions were probably not communicating very well with

(18:12):
each other. So the only gun battery that did not
fire was the D Battery of the two third Coast
Artillery Regiment, and that was also directly in the flight
path of this alleged aircraft. This was also the company
that most recently launched its balloons at three am whener
the firing starts at three sixteen, and afterwards, the staff

(18:33):
at D Battery were instructed not to mention these balloons
and the officer in charge of Colonel Ray Watson was
given a pension, which this can make sense, and that
means it would still be a cover up, but it
was a cover up to avoid embarrassment. And furthermore, why
the question is like well, why did this go so crazy? Then?

(18:56):
If it was just a weather balloon, why did everybody
end up shooting it? Yeah, why didn't somebody say stop, stop,
that's a balloon or why didn't the balloon pop? That's
a heck of a question. So many of the shell
burst for people who believe this story, including the including
the Navy, many of the shell bursts were mistaken for
other aircraft, and so this would lead some of a

(19:18):
different battery position to say, oh, crap, I gotta get
this one today. So I shoot one shell into the air,
it explodes. Nol sees it and he thinks, oh, what
the heck was that he shoots? And then it's just
this fun little cycle. That's just how I roll. Man,
I shoot first and ask questions later. Now you shot second, Buddy,
Han shot first? All right? And this shows the wildly

(19:39):
this shows, you know, this could explain rather the wildly
fluctuating reports on the number of aircraft, the speed, their altitude.
And then we get to my my favorite of these series,
do do do do do do do? Do? Now don't
that's misleading. It could just be It could be a

(20:02):
lot of things, could be more of a bing No
things that really bing back then sounds to me like
an old sailing. I like the I like to think
that's the noise it makes as it flies through, or
it could could be the classics. So here we go.

(20:24):
I wants to deal with this. What I mean? You know,
I couldn't the balloon, as you mentioned, already be considered
a UFO. Excellent point. Excellent point because every time we
do this, we will get letters, will get letters from
folks who will write in and say, uh, this is
definitely an extraterrestrial er. This is not. And it's because
we'll use the phrase UFO. But UFO stands for, as

(20:47):
we all know, unidentified flying object. Yeah, unidentified flying object.
And that's exactly the point that Noel is making. A
balloon that you don't recognize as a balloon is a
UFO until you say, oh, that's a balloon. An alien
spacecraft is a UFO because if one appears, people will

(21:07):
have no idea what it looks like or what it is,
and it will behave differently we would assume, especially if
it's space worthy. If there is a secret spy plane
like the B two bomber or something, then that is
also a UFO. If there is uh a Horton Hoe
twenty two, which is the which is the fixed wing

(21:28):
aircraft that the Nazi powers working on before the fall
of Nazi Germany. If that thing's in the air, that's
also a UFO, or even a larger like nowadays, a
larger drone that perhaps you don't know exactly what it is,
that could be a UFO. Yeah, one of those creepy
surveillance blimps to which are a real thing. So those
who believe the incident was caused by an actual, yet

(21:51):
unidentified craft have several pretty valid questions for the people
who buy the balloon story as well as the people
who sell the story. UH number one, which I jumped
the gun on earlier. Here, wouldn't a balloon pop when
you hit it within artillery shell? Right the uf I'll
just argue that a balloon subject to shelling would have popped,

(22:13):
But there's evidence from other comparisons we can make that
that might be less certain than you would think. Kind
of similar to how in the movies, anything happens to
a car and it explodes giant fireball. Yeah, destruction, and

(22:34):
it's really difficult to make cars do that. In real life.
You have to know what you're doing, and it's it's
not just shooting at a gas tank most times. So
on that, yeah, I think there was. Yeah, and then
there's always sunny in Philadelphia where Mac and Charlie throw
a grenade into the car because they think it will explode.
It just mess really messes up there. What about that,

(22:55):
Not to get too off topic, what about that old
trick where you take a rag so get in gas,
put it in the gas tank and light it like
a fuse and then run away. That can work, I
can work. Yeah, Uh, that is not what happened here.
That was not what happens here, And don't ever do that.
So we we have to we have to draw comparisons
to the closest thing that we we have at the time.

(23:18):
So at the time, they're also Zeppelin type airships, right,
and that would be another kind of balloon similar too.
So these rigid and semi rigid aircraft are not like
the FuGO balloons that we're talking about because those relied
on over pressure to sustain their shape. But so, yeah,

(23:43):
if anything punctures it, it's gone. Well, if anything punctures it,
it will it won't necessarily pop the middle yeah, it
might deflate and slowly go down. The flexibility of a
balloon or blimps gas bag gives some protection from explosive fire. UH.
The skin will dent and distort to absorb the impact

(24:05):
and may not actually puncture. We see experimental spy blombs
like the one I mentioned the L E m v
UH may be able to sustain damage and not be
shot down immediately. And also to that point about cars,
it's not guaranteed that something even hydrogen powered will or
hydrogen filled rather will ignite when hit by normal bullets.

(24:29):
In World War One, and this was on This was
a pretty interesting comparison I found on a site that
believes this is the case. During World War One, a
zeppelin called the L thirty three was hit by anti
aircraft fire, but it didn't catch a flame. Instead, it
just was forced to crash land. And so the way

(24:51):
that fighter aircraft began to be able to really light
up a zeppelin is when they switched from normal AMMO
to explosive and phosphorus in cindiary bullets. So a combination
of these would ignite the hydrogen. So it's possible, according
to the people who believe this part that trapnel from

(25:11):
the batteries would not have destroyed the balloon, but would
have punctured it goes into the ocean, But that's not
a guaranteed explanation. The second question for the UFO folks, right,
for those who believe in the UFO theory, why does
that famous photo that we mentioned earlier show a saucer
rather than a spherical shape? Because if you look at

(25:33):
the photograph, it definitely does not look like a weather balloon. Yeah,
but it also kind of looks like a saucer, right,
I mean, that's one of the big things here. Like it,
the shape looks a bit round of whatever is being illuminated,
But it's also so overblown that it's really hard to

(25:54):
get any type of shape out of it unless you
unless you mess with a photo a lot. Look at
it now, and I mean there's a whole bunch of
searchlights trained on it. And if it was a weather balloon,
like we said before, those can be quite reflective. I
could see it definitely a grainy photo like this having

(26:15):
some issues with perspective. You know, it does look a
little more oblong, but maybe we're seeing the top of it,
you know, maybe we're just like the perspective is everything.
It's interesting though it's a neat picture. It does. It's
a very very compelling picture. I just don't know if
we're able to see exactly what it is. So this
photo that we're discussing here is pretty famous. There are

(26:37):
several versions of it that have been retouched over the years.
Um it appeared in in the l A. Times. But
you know, it's it's very common before you when you
take a photo like this and then you want to
put it in the newspaper, so you take it to
the print right the big press. It's very common, or
it was and it still is today to retouch photographs

(26:58):
to make sure you get the best image that you
possibly can that will look the best in that black
and white format. And we even have a quote from
the l A Times with an update about this photo.
In the retouched version, many light beams were lightened and
widened with white paint, while other beams were eliminated. In
earlier years, was common for newspapers to use artists to

(27:20):
retouch images due to poor reproduction basically ten shades of
gray if you were lucky. Thus my conclusion the retouching
was needed to reproduce the image, but man, I wish
the retouching had been more faithful to the original. With
our current standards, this image would not be published. And
that's a statement by Scott Harrison over the times. So altered,
but not altered to uh deceive people, not necessarily, but

(27:44):
still it's I mean, they're putting white paint onto the image, right,
it's a super compelling photo. That white paint acts to
great effect. And those lights of those beams of lights
are super stark, and they're all kind of converging on
this form in the sky, and I mean it it
it looks like, um, a saucer shaped sort of like

(28:06):
an elliptical shaped thing. And you know, I could see
how people could definitely latch onto that. It's a very
very cool, compelling image. But I can also see the
idea of taking that paint and making it more, you know,
pop kind of more. I mean we're used to that now,
you know, with like Instagram, you can have a four
year old take a picture and slap on Instagram filter on,

(28:27):
and all of a sudden it looks compelling. But this
is very interesting for the time. So this is a
representation of what happened. We know that there were a
ton of human beings. Probably, I mean, I can imagine
some people are outside looking up, or at least in
the window, looking up as they're taking shelter from all

(28:48):
this noise. What did witnesses say they saw? So you'll
hear people who want to push their own agenda, whether
they believe it was a weather blue and whether they
believe it was some kind of craft, whether they believe
it was nothing. Uh, there's a bad habit people can
sometimes have wherein they will say, Okay, out of these

(29:09):
ten thousand, out of these potentially two million people, uh,
the thousand who say that they saw this are the
ones who are clearly right, because that's what I believe.
So also, as we know, these multiple there are multiple
accounts from the evening that widely contradict one another, and unfortunately,

(29:32):
eyewitnesses are incredibly unreliable. So there are many many eyewitnesses
I say they saw some sort of salcer shaped thing
that was flying in a way they had never seen
a craft fly before. There are many many eyewitnesses who
say that they saw multiple things fighting in the air

(29:54):
of war between humans and aliens or war between the
Japanese is in the Allied forces or Japanese in the
US at this point, should we should throw in there
really fast? But with the multiple aircraft and multiple things
fighting in the air, the military they were using tracer ammunition,
so you could see the bullets flying through the air,

(30:16):
and you can imagine what that might look like to
an untrained eye, all these beams of light essentially going across.
And so here we are towards the modern day. The
current official stance here in the US remains the same
as the nineteen three investigation concluded, and that stances that
UH tensions were high, people had war nerves, and routine

(30:40):
meteorological or weather balloons deployed around three am prompted an
attack because the city was already on high alert with
the air aid siren going off at one However, it's
not likely the American public will ever consider this entirely solved,
regardless of what the government says, and less more evidence emerges,

(31:01):
we're stuck within official explanation that many people think is malarkey,
or at the very least murky lurkey. Malurkey, yes, alurky.
And there's the lasting consequences to this, regardless of what
you are convinced happened, and regardless how many people do
or don't agree with you, one of the lasting consequences

(31:26):
which stays today is accelerated UH state discrimination against innocent
American civilians, particularly in this case Japanese American residents. At
the time, the US government was already actively UH interning
people and and detaining them would be a good word.
And this also descends to you know, descends down to

(31:50):
the modern day when we have we have people with
legitimate concerns that one day a federal power will simply
decide that they are risk and then boom bag over
your head, shipped you off somewhere, and that that belief
is the result of occurrences like this. But I have
to ask you, guys, what do you think. I certainly

(32:11):
think it was one of the in my opinion, one
of the coolest pieces of the past dealing with the UFO,
just because of the image. I think the image, like
you said, no, it's everything. It conjures so much, so
many other thoughts in my head about what it would
be like if an extra tricks terrestrial craft descended on

(32:34):
a city, and like what what how do we react
in that immediate moment if one comes down in the
military is ready to go alright, when the government response
was so overtly shady and just like non informative, you
know it just it did. It allows your mind to
kind of run wild a little bit, especially when you
pair it with an image like that. Well, it's also

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the immediate response of shooting the absolute crap of whatever
it is that's her head before confirming what it is.
You know, it is that we don't know what it
is in the sky, but it's in our airspace and
we have all these weapons, so shoot that thing down.
That happens today that well, no, that's what I mean. Like,
but that's a very human thing. I think of your

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encroaching on my my territory and already war Yeah, well
you shouldn't have been there. Sorry. There's also the yeah,
the inherent distrust. Imagine when you're a kid if your
parents tell you two completely different things, right, Uh, what
happened to our dog? Oh he's at the doctor. No,

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don't trust your dad, he's dead. Or at the farm.
That's that's what I heard, right, yeah at the farm. Uh,
at the dead dog farm. So with this in mind,
we want to hear your opinions. What do you think happened.
Do you have new information that you think should come
to light? Uh, do you know someone who witnessed this

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maybe a maybe a parent or a grand parent or something,
And if so, what is their account of the events.
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