February 15, 2019 • 64 mins
Belief in supernatural, divine beings like angels dates back into antiquity and occurs throughout numerous religions. Even in the modern day, numerous Americans are convinced that angels (or something like them) exist and intervene in human affairs. So, outside of anecdotes and personal opinion, is there any proof these creatures exist? To one enormously influential scientist, magician and philosopher, Angels left one indisputable proof of their existence: A secret language, predating humanity -- one with the power to reveal the secrets of the universe. Listen in to learn more about Enochian language and John Dee.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Noel. They call me Ben. We are joined
with our super producer, Paul Mission controlled decade. Most importantly,
you are you. You are here that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. Longtime listeners, you'll you'll
note that recently we have been exploring some things that
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are more of the modern world. Corporate cover ups, ongoing
investigations into hidden burial places, and things of that nature,
many of which do point to genuine conspiracies, not conspiracy eeries,
but genuine conspiracies. Today we are delving into something a
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little bit different. We're delving into a realm of spirituality,
a realm of allegedly magic, and the area wherein science,
magic and linguistics are said to converge. Let's start with
angels today. Angels, at least in the Western world, have
a pretty solidified image. You know, most most people in
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the West if you ask them just immediately to describe
what an angel looks like, unless they've done some further reading.
They're going to picture a humanoid being, probably in a
flowing robe or maybe nude, but androgynous and shining brightly.
There's a lot of white involved, pair of large feathered wings,
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maybe multiple pairs, sprouting from the back. And sometimes the
angel will also have a a halo or a herp,
a halo being a circle of light, sometimes depicted as
a band of some shiny golden metal above their head.
This of course, does not match one to one with
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many biblical descriptions of angels, which this this is something
you'll appreciate, Matt. From the X Files, there is a
fantastic depiction of an angel in an episode on the
nephel Um. Do you remember that one with the Sickly children. Yeah? Man,
it's a little hazy for me, but that sounds familiar.
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Are they were the sickly children the Nephelum? They were
like children or they were actually Nephelum they spoiler alert, Yeah,
they were actually Nephelum and they had these mysterious genetic disorders.
But they were being murdered one by one by a
divine agent, which was an angel, and towards the very
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end spoiler alert. Here's your chance to turn back. Now.
Three to one spoilers the towards the end of the episode,
where you actually see this creature attacking someone, It's faces
shift because in some biblical descriptions of angels they have
multiple faces. And of course there are many, many different
types of angels, depending on which civilization or culture you
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are investigating. Man, I was certain you were going to
say it was the chupacabra all along. There is a
chupacabra episode of X Files, and I believe in that
episode three to one spoilers is a It is a
fungal agent, an infection creates chabra. I believe someone that
that may be a different show, but there's so many
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X Files episodes I have to say. Nephelim sounds like
a great name for a metal band doesn't exist, and
the Sickly Children great name for an album by sad
metal band. Neilham is a band. Yeah, yes, of course
I believe that episode of Exiles we're referencing was called
All Souls, and yes I do remember that episode. And
they're not as good as the writers of X Files
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are at this time. They are not making this up
out of whole cloth, as the item goes. Instead, they
are cribbing from beliefs of ancient civilizations far older, by
the way, than the religions of the book, far older
than Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. In fact, most ancient civilizations
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in the world believed in this concept of angels or
something very much like them, benevolent spirits representing a more
powerful deity. So they were almost like minor deities. They
could do little miracles. They were not as powerful as God,
or not as powerful as whatever the supreme uh you know,
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final boss deity was in a belief system, but they
had a heck of a lot more agency in power
than mortals. Well, maybe agency is a tough word. There's
huge argument about angels and free will that dates back
to the beginning of a lot of myths. So it's
important to note here that not all angels are necessarily good.
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We're gonna bust an angel stereotype today. We'll get to
that later on in today's episode. And here's this is fascinating.
So while the belief in angels or something like these
benevolent intercessing spirits, maybe ancient, it persists in the modern
day and the statistics may surprise some of us listening.
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According to a two thousand eleven poll that was published
by CBS, seventy seven percent of adults in the United
States believe angels are real. This is usually, of course,
tied to religion. Eight percent of people identifying as Christian
and people identifying as Evangelical Christians, along with nine of
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people who attend weekly religious services of some sort, say
yes they believe in angels. And a pause here, because
that's a that's a tricky question. That statistic is worth challenge, Gene,
because it all depends upon how the question is asked,
you know what I mean, Like if you simply say, hey,
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do you if you're catching people right outside of a
church service as they're on their way out, and they say,
do you believe in angels, it's safe to say just
based on how human psychology works, they're very much they're
much more likely to say yes. There's all there's social
pressure in that environment. If you did it that way,
that's true, I agree and say yes, yes, of course
I do. And there so often seems to be such
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an all or nothing approach to that flavor of religion. Sorry,
flavor is a weird choice of words, but you know
what I mean like it. It certainly feels like people
would be encouraged to not just take the bits they like,
but you have to believe in all of the lore
and every part of what's in the Bible as being
the truth, or at least say you do, because let's
not forget there's a lot of cherry picking um from
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various religions, I mean, tail as old as time. But
one of my favorite examples is, uh, this author who
wrote a book called Living Biblically. Have you guys heard
of this book? I have not? Oh wait, is this
the one where he lives according to the teachings of
the Bible for a period of time? And like, where's
his beard long? And all of that stuff? What's the
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guy's name? H? A J. J. J. J. Jacobs. He
was on Part Time Genius talking about this The Year
of Living Biblically, one man's humble quest to follow the
Bible as literally as possible. He runs into a lot
of stuff that was treated with great import you know,
but is generally not followed in today's modern age by
most people who would consider themselves practitioners of the of
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Christianity or practitioners of a faith of the Book of
the Abramaic variety he he ran into one are the
ones that was the most surprising to me was when
he ran into the band against wearing two different types
of fabric. That was a big deal. You were not
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supposed us to do that. And so often, even people
who feel that they are following the letter and the
spirit of the law as determined by these religious works,
they'll skip some stuff, you know what I mean, They'll
have some some polyester, I'll have some nylon or whatever
the band fabrics are. But you gotta do what you
gotta do what you gotta do. But it may well
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surprise a lot of people to find that, at least
according to this study, the belief in angels is so
prevalent even in this increasingly secular world. So we have
to ask ourselves what is it about angels that so
captures human imagination even now in nine And to answer
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that question, we have to continue Maybe busting myths is
is not a good choice words here, but we we
have to continue clarifying what angels were historically and how
they became um so closely as asociated with that cultural
icon of the flowing robes and the harp and the halo,
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which again, just it reminds me of how Coca Cola
managed to codify the appearance of Santa Claus. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's true. It's true story. But but here's the fact. So,
first off, where does the name angel come from. Well,
the word itself is derived from the Greek word angelos,
which means messenger Molak, the Hebrew word for angel, also
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means messenger. In both words quite neatly fit in with
the Persian word for angel, which is a garos, similarly
meaning a courier. Mm hmmm. So this so we know
now that all of the earlier uses of this concept
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meant someone who brings a message, right, Yeah, it's not
servant or child or you know, any of these other
things that you kind of sometimes are scribed to angels,
like the children of God in some way in the
offspring of God, the servants of God. Now, these are
messengers of God. And the various similarities between these preceding
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words and phrases has led some researchers to speculate that
the earliest form of what we would call angel comes
from a Sentian linear b script a kai row and
this leads us to one of the most important crucial
things we have to establish here. If we haven't, if
we haven't clearly said it already, the belief in angels
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or beings like them is in no way restricted to
the Abramaic religions. We just tend to hear about this viewpoint,
at least the four of us. Matt Noel palm myself,
because we live in the United States. We are in
and of the Western world, which means that most people
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are going to share even if even if they do
not ascribe to a specific um Abramaic religion, they're going
to share that cultural view of what an angel is.
You know. But this um this is not a purely Christian,
Judaic or Muslim thing. The ancient religion of Zoroastrianism has
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beings very very similar to angels, and Zoroastrianism is its
own fascinating religion that we could do a do a
different episode on. We really should, because I want to
dive deeper into that. It's the source of the name
Mazda and cars. Actually, that's wonderful. It's it's fascinating for sure.
In Abrameric religions, angels are often depicted as these benevolent
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celestial beings and their intermediaries between we mud walkers and God.
And this makes sense right because they said earlier know them.
They're primarily depicted as messengers, but they have other roles
to they do other stuff. Oh yeah, sometimes they will
pop down to protect someone, maybe impregnate someone. I mean, uh,
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that was God, right, that wasn't an angel or a dude.
They also will smite people. Oh yeah, definitely. The archangels
will come down and and take you out if you're
doing the wrong thing. But see, it's so it's so
interesting with some of the tales and philosophies behind intervention
between heaven and Earth and all of these things. Ah,
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I love these topics so much. But yeah, so they'll
protect you, they'll smite you, they might impregnate you. Um,
but they're what that's about it. They'll do little tasks.
Sometimes task is signed by God, so that could be
anything from conveying a message to perhaps delivering someone from peril. Right,
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they pray to God and God sends someone. It's interesting
because in some of the earlier appearances in the Old Testament,
for instance, God is is a hands on manager. God
shows up and specifically talks to people God will, God
will directly intervene, and as the story continues, God seems
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to be increasingly communicating through intermediaries and the Christian faith.
It's through Jesus Christ for instance, right, and the yeah,
the priest if it's Catholic, Yeah, yes, spot on. And
so what we see is that the concept of what
an angel is and what an angel does evolved along
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with the commonly agreed upon understanding of the nature of God.
And within these abramaic religions, angels are organized into hierarchies.
This happens another religions too, but the specifics of the
hierarchy may differ across various belief systems. And that leads
us to angels today. Right, So fast forward thousands of
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years of history. We did a very quick and dirt
the summary of it. Yeah, the angels got in the outfield.
The angels, uh when in the airwaves? We said, yeah,
that was you know, Tom Delongs angels. You know, the
angels definitely did other things. They show up in the
Twilight Zone. There's a lovely inept guardian angel attempting to
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earn its wings. That's a really sweet episode. That's one
of the not depressing Twilight Zones, and that's one of
the I think that's one of the only recurrent characters
in the Twilight Zone universe other than you know, my
boy Rod Serling. You know what I think of when
I think of angels, which as far as the depiction
is the depiction of angels in Dogma by Kevin Smith,
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where they had no genitals. Yeah, angels have been depicted
as androgynous beans at time, which is strange because it
doesn't really jibe with some of the ancient angel stories,
which will we'll get to right And for the true believers,
angels in the modern day largely function as they did
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in the past, more directly. They're bringing messages from a
deity and accomplishing earthly task for that power, perhaps specifically
focusing on one person. The belief in a guardian angel
that looks after you as an individual and your individual
soul is still very much in play in the world today.
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And this leads us to another question, which is a
question we do not mean in an offensive way at all.
Your personal beliefs are your own. It's a question that
the world has still grappled with, which is this, Where
is the proof we we have, we have compelling evidence
that more than half, well more than half of uh
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people in the United States claim to believe in some
sort of thing like this. But at this point, there
has been no confirmed discovery of any physical leaving that
would inarguably indicate the presence of something matching the various
descriptions of an angel. There have been many alleged relics
right there, not only depictions and art, but also feathers
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or ectoplasm that purportedly manifested during a divine sighting, interaction
and situation. For lack of a better phrase, and the
overwhelming mass of what people interpret as proof of angels
up to this point has unfortunately been based on anecdotes,
personal belief and faith. Again, this is not to deride
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anybody who believes in these entities, nor is it meant
to dismiss your personal views. It's it's best to call
it unfortunate simply because without physical, verifiable evidence, most people
who do not believe in these sorts of creatures will
never see a reason to change their minds. Otherwise they'll say, oh,
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you have a story right where let's say you had
a near death experience and you spoke with something that
you perceived be an angel that told you you still
had work to do, and then you woke up in
the hospital right miraculously recovering. You have been dead for
anywhere from two to thirteen minutes or something like that,
your heart wasn't beating. That's that's a very common story.
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As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if
some of us listening today have not had a near
death experience or know someone who has. However, that story
is not going to convince someone who says, you know,
maybe they say I'm an atheist, or maybe they say
I'm a spiritual person, but I don't believe in this
kind of stuff. I think it's tradition. I think it's
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more folklore than fact, unless there were some sort of
physical evidence, because you see, there may be one more
piece of proof, something that true believers feel is all
too often ignored. What if, in a way, the things
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people call angels have left a trace on the waking world.
And what if it wasn't um, you know, bones hollowed
out somewhere between bird bones and human bones. What if
it wasn't a massive feathers uh secreted away in some
reliquary right. What if it wasn't ectoplasm in a hundreds
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year old vial. What if it was something a little
more sophisticated, like a language. Okay, I'm in and let's
learn about it. Back, let's learn about it after a
quick break from from this, because we're gonna hear from
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not been smited yet. So here's where it gets crazy.
Language a language of angels. The concept of angelic script
sounds pretty bizarre at first blush right, But for centuries
people have treated this concept with solemnity and seriousness. It
is called Enochian script after the Biblical character Enoch. And
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it all originates, I mean, at least on this earthly
playing with a guy named John d d e E.
He'll be familiar to some of us and others might
just be a vague name. So who is this guy?
And he was real familiar to some from our alchemy episode. Yes,
that's correct, So Mr John d uh he is welcomed
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into this world. Way back in fifteen seven in London.
He was an English mathematician and a natural philosopher, which
at the time is I guess as close as you
could get to being a scientist or what would become scientists,
um and the predacensor. Really, he was also a student
of the occult, as we mentioned, as you might imagine
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knowing that he's involved in alchemy at some point in
his life. But this dude was, I don't know how
to put it. He was crazy educated, oh man, and
at a time when very few people went to school
and a literacy was rampant, because you know, honestly, many
people would live their lives from cradle to grave without
really needing to know how to read. He entered St
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John's College, Cambridge in fifteen forty two. I got a
bachelor's degree there and then a master's degree. He became
a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge when it was founded
in fifteen forty six. This guy's old school and influential.
Then he traveled to Europe, or as they would say
in British parlance, to the continent, and in fifteen forty
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sevent he made a short visit. Then he stayed from
forty eight to fifteen fifty one studying under mathematician cartographers,
people like Pedro Nounez Gama, Frisius Abraham or Tellius and
Mercatur of the Mercader projection, and he also did self
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directed study in Paris a few other places that have
been lost to history. He started turning down opportunities. The
University of Paris offered him a professorship in mathematics and
fifteen fifty one, and then University of Oxford offered him
essentially the same thing in fifteen fifty four, but he said, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want to be an academic locked in some
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ivory tower. I have higher aims. I have political aims. Yeah,
I wanna be a part of not royalty necessarily, but
I want to be a part of the people that
actually make the decisions. I'm gonna parlay this big noggat
of mine some power. I could see him as both
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a protagonist and an antagonist in some movie where he's
the extremely intelligent guy on the side, like the Jaffar
figure or a resputant type figure. But yeah, but he
seems to be like at least well intentioned to our
to our knowledge, and he was a huge icon fairly
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early on in the pop culture at the time. The
character of Prospero and the Tempest is based on him.
It's like quote unquote widely thought to be the case.
It's true. It's based on him one guy's opinion. That's
just my opinion. But the evidence is there. So yeah.
So he decides that he's going to join the court.
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He's gonna work in service of the English crown. This
plan is successful. He returns to England and he becomes
a member of the court because he offers to teach
mathematics to courtiers and to navigators, and eventually he becomes
a consultant and astrologer to Queen Mary one. And this
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is at this level of political power. This is similar
to being both on the cabinet of the president and
the astrologer, kind of like how Ronald Reagan had an astrologer.
That's true, you can look it up. It's true. This
this is a dream job, right, this is what he wanted.
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It landed him in jail in fifteen fifty five. He
was charged with being a conjurer. As it happens, it
let him out a little later, but but it is
on the books. So this is the first time he
gets a criminal record. I wonder what he conjured to
get that sentence, or was accused of conjuring. I didn't.
I didn't see that anywhere. Maybe it's just a tiny
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little imp that he was gonna have assist him in
his work. What what conjuring a small homunculusus and you
know whatever, Maybe it was just a small black cat.
Is a homunculus like inherently have a hunch? Doesn't it
doesn't homunculus have a hunch, doesn't have to, It doesn't
have to have What is it? What is it? What
is a homunculus? That it is a It is almost
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like a familiar depenion on the stories, but it's it's
created life, made by an alchemist, usually with some combination
of a bodily fluid like blood seamen, or you're in
certain types of canations, certain types of mud and herbs.
So it could it be a mud person or like
a rock creature of some kind of given life. It's
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closer to a golem. Ah, you guys, I'm not trying
to me. And I've always heard that term. I've always
associated it with like an igor or like some sort
of grotesque, you know, disfigured um sidekick. They are usually
they are usually supposed to be um. I don't know
when they're depicted. They're they're typically going to be depicted
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as deformed in some way or imperfect, because only in
this environment, only God can create a truly perfect being. Right,
so I have a I have a recipe to build
a homoculous attributed to Paracelsis from his book day naturnoum
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in seven. If you want to hear it, can we can?
We try it right now? Um, probably don't have the materials. Well,
we do, but it's not safe for work. That's fair,
thank you. Let's give it up. Let's just hear it.
That the sperm of a man be putrified by itself
in a sealed cucurbit for forty days, and the highest
degree of putrification in a horse's womb, or at least
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so long that it comes to life and moves itself
and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time it
will look somewhat like a man, but transparent without a body.
If after this it be fed wisely with the arcanem
of human blood and be nurished for up to forty
weeks and be kept in the even heat of the
horse's womb, a living child grows therefrom with all its
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members like another child which is born of a woman,
but much smaller. I have questions, does this involve having
sex with a horse. No, but it says the sperm
has to putrefy in the horse's womb. That's right, But
it doesn't say anything about the horse being alive. So
does this have Does this involve having sex with a
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dead horse? I don't think it has to it. That's
really you know, this is the wild West of alchemy
at this point. Man. Uh, that's really If that's how
you want to attempt you are homoculous, then just don't
tell me about it. I also heard I also heard
an alternative. The horse was just an option, right that
you said you could also do it in age it.
When I want to hear putrefy, I'm hearing like ferment, right?
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Is that was that? That was how you would maybe
interpret that word aging the sperm. You could do it
in some kind of stone vessel. I feel like for
for this guy, and did the toum the the the
horse's womb is tantamount? Yeah? Well, there was a YouTube
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series of homuncular where this one dude was attempting to
make homunculous or homuncular, and I'm pretty sure it must
have been fake because of the nasty puppetry that I
believe he was doing was just disgusting to look at,
and the processes that he was describing and all this stuff.
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It was back in the day and I couldn't find
it just now trying to look it up. But does
anyone else recall seeing that in searching on YouTube, perhaps
of a guy trying to make AMUNCULI I've seen some
stuff like it, and it was I was inclined to
believe it was a bit or performance art, but you know,
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I don't know, man, Sometimes it could be tough to
tell when people are being sincere on the internet and
when they're having a go, when they're having a laugh.
It was Oh no, I found it. It It was a
Russian YouTuber. I can't find the original one. It's a
bunch of re uploads the Russian gentleman. Well sir, if
you are listening, we hope you were doing well and
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we look forward to hearing how your experiments have worked out.
And just a little plug, our buddies Joe and Robert
over stuff to blow your mind, have a whole episode
on how to make a homunculus and other horrors. Oh, oh, horrors.
I feel like that's a that's a little bit editorializing. Yeah,
but so aby, how are the John Yes, So he
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also had this interest in the occult. Clearly he's an astrologer.
This is the time when natural philosophy represents both a
mixture of what we would recognize the science today and
what we would recognize as magic or the belief and such.
He published something called the monas Hieroglyphica, the Hieroglyphic Monad
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in fifteen sixty four, and he made it through a
secession of power. When Elizabeth the First descended to the
throne in fifteen fifty eight, he became one of her
scientific and medical advisors. And then he was bawling so
hard that sometime during the mid fifteen sixties he built
his own laboratory in Mortlake, which was an area near London.
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He amassed the largest private library in the country, had
over four thousand books in manuscripts. This is in the
fifteen sixties. You know how long it took to make
a book in the fifteen hundreds, and just to get
that many books from all across the world probably, And
he continued like, let's look at his scientific pursuit. So
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he worked extensively with cartographers, navigators, people that he considered
intellectual peers, or even people that he thought were just
asking interesting questions. Because he was a one man library,
he would loan out these books, he would have people
over to read his books and his works. He published
widely across various disciplines. Uh, stuff like the Banger Hit
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General and rare Memorials pertaining to the Perfect Art of
Navigation in fifteen seventy seven. Uh. And then he published
stuff like an Aphoristic Introduction his views on natural philosophy
and Astrology in fifteen fifty eight. And this is pretty cool.
He actually edited the first version of Euclid's Elements into English,
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which is was extremely helpful. Thank you for doing that
to all people that came after you, John. That was
in fifteen seventy And he also had this this I mean,
we kind of talked about it already, but he was
so into the occult. And I think it's because it's
that thing that we discussed on this show all the time,
that line right between magic and science, and he's already
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kind of writing that line a little bit throughout his
his spiritual pursuits as well as a scientific pursuits, and
he just thought the occult was the coolest thing, and
it grew and grew and grew his interest in this
and um that thing that we talked about, the hiero
glyphic monad that we um just mentioned up top, because
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in that he proposed this single mathematical symbol, magical symbol
that was the key to unlocking basically everything. It was
like the one the one solution to the unity of
all things in nature. Yeah, the as above so below. Yeah,
it's it's true. And it's strange because his interest in
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the occult seems to grow step with his frustration at
scientific pursuit. He felt that there was a veil between
him and in the true nature of reality. And it's
so interesting to me how in these days that whole
pursuit of scientific um knowledge was very much intertwined in general,
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more more, much more so than today when the world
seems so separate. Man of science, man of God and
all that, and a lot of the things that he
that you know, we look at as being um, mystical
sort of or a little bit more occult kind of
got broken off. The whole idea of the monad and
all that into philosophy. So that's it's almost like create
birth the whole another pursuit kind of if you think,
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I don't know, it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, in the same
way that alchemy lead to chemistry. Right, this is so far.
Let's call him the Daytime John d. Right, he's good,
he's brilliant. He's got a centric interest in the occult.
But how far did it go? What does he have
to do with angels? Let's get to them after a
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class authority on all manner of scientific pursuits and disciplines
and exercises and philosophy. He's also an unhappy dude. He's
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getting increasingly frustrated because he wants to build a comprehensive
understanding of the natural world. And so, in let's say,
maybe desperation or just in the next step of his
continuing quest, he began seeking supernatural or divine assistance. He
(32:52):
attempted to speak with angels in the hundreds. By the way,
you ran a a severely high risk of death or
dismemberment by saying that you didn't believe in angels, So
anyone who doesn't count yourself lucky today right in Fife specifically,
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he began performing a long series of magical research projects.
Earlier that year, when he was around fifty four, he
had written in his journal that God had sent quote
good angels to communicate directly with human beings, and so
he had set himself up to make contact with these angels.
But he had a problem. You see, he was not
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a medium. He had attempted to scry and found that
he had no ability to see the other side or
interact with it. Scrying is the act of a meditative
divinatory act, wherein you might stare into a crystal ball,
for instance, or in some cultures an obsidian mirror or
(33:56):
a container of water. I always thought is when you
look at top card of your library and you decided
to put it either on the back, on the top
or on the bottom of your library. But that's what
That's a cool move in magic? Are you still playing magic?
What I'm talking about? Scrying? Bro real magic? All right? Okay,
(34:17):
that's right. Matt does scry with a deck of cards.
He let me look at this. What is that? Terror? Okay? Oh?
I thought you can say seven of clubs. But that
is not your card. So those are the kind of
results that John D was having. He just he couldn't
he couldn't divine this stuff, and he was honest enough
with himself is very important. He was honest stuff with
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himself to say, well, I'm not doing it. I'm not
going to delude myself. I am certain that this talent exists,
but I am likewise certain that either I had do
not have it, or I don't have a strong enough
capacity to learn it. So eventually he did find a medium,
or at least he thought he did. He had old
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numerous seances in England and other European countries across the continent,
in the company of his hired medium fellow named Edward Kelly,
who will get to in a moment, but it's very
important in this story. In his attempt to contact angels,
D was seeking that universal language of creation. He thought
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it would bring about a pre apocalyptic unity of human kind.
He thought that everyone, despite their differences, knowing this language
would discover some sort of um tangible and supernatural and
philosophical truth about the nature of the universe and Earth
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and humanity's place in it, and that this would promote peace,
this would stop pointless wars. Someone like a somewhat utopian, right.
I can totally see where he could get that belief.
It sounds very similar to some of the stuff we've
been discussing earlier with the whole Watchman AUSI mandious thing
like if we all had that one connection for sure,
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for certain that makes the world bigger than us, then
maybe we would all get along. Yeah, we have a
we have a lot of them. One stop shoppery in
in in the story of Human Aims. Right. The guy
who who created Esperanto also thought that it would help
end the war because everyone would speak the same language. Yeah,
(36:25):
Esperanto is a great language, by the way, very few
people speak it, but it's a great language. I just
remember like researching it back in the day for the
old website and learning about William Shatner's wonderful film. Well, well,
let's so John d He totally thinks that's gonna happen, right,
and he goes to some pretty extensive lengths to try
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and make it happen, to to try and prove that
it's true. Yeah, they have He and Edward Kelly have
hundreds and hundreds of sessions from eighty two until fifty seven,
and and during these sessions they come to believe that
they are communicating regularly with actual angels, and they each
have their role to play. They're they're like a two
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man band. So D will be the orator and the supplicants,
so he will be asking these questions. He will ask
them often by directing prayers to God and God's arcangicles,
and then he would invoke them to manifest themselves in
his scrying stone. For him, it was a black obsidian mirror.
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I don't know if you guys have seen those in person,
but they look really cool. It kind of gives you
like a sort of a blurred kind of reflection, right,
black mirror esque. Yeah, and Kelly would act as the
ski er. So SOD is invoking these powers and asking
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them things, and Kelly is watching for their reactions. He
would see visions rejected in this mirror and he would
describe them to D and then D would write them down.
So cool, and everything picks up steam around the year
fifteen eighty two or fifteen eighty three. Yeah, that's when
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John d and Edward Kelly claimed to have received communication
directly from the angels. Who supposedly allegedly provided them with
the foundations of this language which can be used to
communicate with the other side. Um. This angelic language had
its own alphabet, syntax, grammar, all of which they wrote
(38:34):
down in their journals, and they dubbed this new language Enochian,
which of course sprang from D's idea that the biblical
patriarch Enoch, sort of a Methusilah esque figure in the Bible,
was the last human to know this language, and D
in common conversation, preferred to call this language angelical or
(38:56):
the celestial speech. He also called it the first language
of God Christ and particularly it was fond of calling
it ademical like Adam Keel, because he claimed it was
the language spoken by Adam, the biblical Adam and the
Garden of Eden during the naming of all of God's creatures,
walk the earth, swim the sea, fly in the air.
(39:17):
That's that's an interesting concept that Adam somehow spoke the
same language as all of the angels. Yeah, well way,
oh is he going to speak Esperanto? Well, you know,
it's so make It makes so much sense though, if
you're you're coming from heaven, where all the angels already exist,
and you're going to bestow life upon this creature in
this new world, in this new place. Yeah, you teach
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him the like what do you know that? Wow? And
it's interesting because for d at this time, this is
not a crazy assumption. This is barely an assumption. He
had not conceived of a world in which people could
exist without language, you know what I mean, Like at
this time, in the fifteen hundreds, there's not going to
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be anyone arguing for the slow evolution of primates right
from an arboreal species to two legged people walking and
and working out or accelerating their differences through a series
of a series of organized noises. What what you're talking about? So,
(40:22):
I mean, that's what I say is people were created
according to the story that he had heard, and that uh,
people would literally be killed for disagreeing with right at
this time, so of course there had to be some
sort of speech. How else would one communicate? Well, it
could be in the form of dance, like in the
Netflix show The o A. Oh. Yeah, that was the
(40:47):
like the Angel language, only I think there was an alphabet.
There was some written versions of it in that show,
but it was largely it was largely communicated through these
amazing dance moves. I watched that so long ago, although
it wasn't that longer. Remember the dancing when a sixteen,
It feels like a lifetime ago, like we're due for
another season and that I'm pretty sure it got green lamp. Yeah,
(41:09):
they just had the one season so far. I think
it did get renewed, but I don't know when it's
going to come out. It would be nice because maybe
they could answer even one of the questions to post
in season one. But but at least Punish your two
is out right now. Yeah, really only not doing very well.
I don't care. It's so good. I enjoyed it. I
(41:29):
feel like I get it. You know, he gets me,
so so Punisher aside, these beans with whom d and
Kelly were in communication told them that being able to
speak this language, being able to speak this ancient pre
human anachi and tongue, would unlock the doors to unlimited knowledge, wisdom,
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and power. So let's let's get away from those claims.
Let's look at what what it actually is. You can
go online as you're listening to this episode, and you
can scroll through different analyzes and interpretations of versions of
this alphabet. It is composed of a twenty one letter alphabet.
It was written from right to left, unlike English. There
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are two different versions. The first is in the manuscript
that d created called the First Five Books of the Mysteries.
The second, which is a more widely accepted version today,
comes from a book called liber Loge, which is allegedly
based on Kelly's original drawings. It's got forty nine great
letter tables or squares that are made up of forty
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nine by forty nine letters, and it's said to be
the first corpus of text in this purportedly angelic language.
But the thing is, Dean Kelly said, the angels never
translated the text in that book. However, a year later
there were some texts that emerged that did come with
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English translations, and therefore we see this as providing the
basis for anachi in vocabulary. The texts have poetic verses,
their forty eight of them. D in his Manuscripts calls
them the Angelic keys, and each key is assigned a
specific function within this magical system. D you see, was
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planning to use them to open the forty nine gates
of wisdom or understanding represented by the forty nine magic
squares in in this pre existing book. So that's the
that's long and short, but surprise, it gets complicated. I mean,
just what am I doing with my life if I
if I can't have a goal like unlocking the forty nine,
(43:41):
the forty nine Gates of Wisdom, you just don't have
magic squares. That's just so cool, isn't it. If Like,
if I go, I'm going every day I'm toiling in
the basement somewhere trying to It's really important not to
compare yourselves to others. That's what social media is. It's
causing us to do. When I was in UM, when
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I was carded off to this smart kids camp in
a different lifetime, one of the things that they made
us swear to do they were pretty lax on everything,
but one of the things they made us do was
swear not to leave a place they called the Magic Square.
And one of the other kids that was there with
me was convinced that that it was evidence of some
(44:23):
sort of devious arcane Shenanigan. WHOA, I think it was
just the name. Yeah, it wasn't salt or anything. You're sure, well,
I mean no, but seriously, unlocking the forty nine Gates
of Wisdom is like the best quest that you could
ever find in a video game. That sounds incredible, But
(44:46):
he John D. Was trying to do that. I r
L Yes, yeah, And that leads us to a question,
did he succeed? What a great question. Because of the
loss of parts of his original manuscripts, there are multi
double at times conflicting interpretations regarding the meaning, validity, or
authenticity of this language. Almost immediately after it was first published,
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the language was met with suspicion, skepticism, and not a
small dose of hostility, because by the sixteenth and seventeen centuries,
this enoch In script was considered legitimate proof of communication
with other worldlier supernatural beings. Not angels, however, demons. That
(45:34):
makes so much sense to me, just the idea that
a human could never reach the heights of the heaven too,
of heaven the heavens to communicate with God. But if
you are attempting communication like that, a treacherous demon from
down below is going to intercede and then give you lies,
essentially on purpose, the corruption yep, to mislead you, right
(46:00):
to put you in rebellion against the true powers that be,
and the whole time you'd think that you're in communication
with angels. One of the supporting platforms for that argument
would be the idea that the devil and infernal forces
typically used deception and trickery right to lead people away
from the light. They also be angels or supernatural entities
(46:24):
that created this language or communicated in it. Were said
to have discredited the existence of the Holy Ghost. These
kind of claims the the idea that you shouldn't pray
to or through Jesus Christ, or that the Holy Ghost
doesn't exist. They directly attack the foundations of Christianity, and
this caused people to conclude that the quote unquote good
(46:46):
angels that d and Kelly contacted were actually demons. Demons
in this sense could be a reference to fallen angels,
the formerly divine creatures that rebelled against God, prompting a
war in heaven and were cast down into the pit
or escaped to the earth, or you know, it could
be h could be a reference to the watchers and
(47:09):
also occur in the Book of Enoch, right, the angels
that were supposed to keep an eye on mankind, you
know what I mean. The babysitters more or less, but
then lost their way, slept with the daughters of men
and created Nefilim. Weren't those the big rock monsters from
the Darren Aronofsky and Noah movie. Yes, they were. Yeah,
(47:30):
the coolest part about that movie. But but but very
out of left field. It kind of like threw me
for a loop. Hold on. Yeah, but again, we were
talking about skepticism at the time and everything, and you know,
I can hear some of you out there. Um, I
can hear the skepticism in my headphones from the future.
(47:52):
I can just hear it. I'm listening to it. I
can hear it because it's happening within me. Um. Up
there it is. Again, it's just kind of a general stress. Um.
But but that knock, I'm not sure what it was, um,
but it's I guess it's just you. You kind of
have to put yourself in them and really in the mindset.
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And that's what we've been trying to do in building
up to this. You know, where we are giving you
the history and the kind of the background of this stuff.
You just have to put your mind yourself in the
mindset of somebody in the Freds that truly, truly believes
these things. And this is your This is um the
concrete upon which your entire you know, world is built.
(48:34):
So just remember that and don't scoff at it. Yeah,
don't be I mean, don't be dismissive. Look, there were
people who lived, you know, five hundred or two thousands
something years ago. Nowadays, it's it's alarmingly easy for people
the modern age to dismiss those folks and say, oh,
that was that was so uneducated, or how could you
(48:57):
believe this kind of thing, you know what I mean?
But we are benefiting from centuries and millennia of progress
that none of us living had anything to do with.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, and we
are ourselves making assumptions that will look cartoonish to people
even twenty years from now. And we say all of
(49:20):
that because it wasn't necessarily in any way the spiritual
nature of the claims. That were the things that seemed
that that people were most skeptical of. Yes, okay, So
for the people who outright said this is flynn flammery,
this is malarkey, this is balder dash. There were two
(49:44):
primary factors that indicated to them, this whole thing was
a fraud. First, Edward Kelly, who mentioned Edward Kelly Alchemists
self described to medium partner in this X spluration with
John D. He had another life before his foray into
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the spiritual frontier. He was a known counterfeitter. He had
been arrested for forgery, he had been pilloried, he had
been to the dogs and back. So that makes him,
you know, a person of questionable character. Secondly, the prophecies
mentioned in the Enochian communications don't actually come true, even
(50:26):
relatively mundane and specific ones, Like there was a claim
that D would one day be tried for treason. It
was not. So maybe they're misreading the timeline. Maybe it's
a syntax error and translation. But still, if you're not
getting things right and you're working with somebody that already
has a reputation as a John D, you know, it
really does kind of make you question why he's choosing
(50:48):
to go this route. True, that's a good point, but
we can see how there was already a contingent of
people that said, all right, everyone, I know this sounds
really cool, but we have to checker sources. Right, let's
go to the modern day. This language, the script is
still around, and now our species has vastly more sophisticated tools, techniques,
(51:11):
and in a more profound understanding of how language in
general is created, composed, and continues to evolve. We now
have people who travel around the world just to find
dying languages or just to find new languages that are
that are blossoming across the planet. So for true believers
(51:33):
in the modern day, this stuff is the real deal.
Maybe not specifically angels. Maybe d and Kelly didn't know
exactly what they were talking to, like those old warnings
against wigia boards, but regardless, people who consider themselves practicing
magicians will often say this is a proto language, arguably
(51:55):
one of the first languages, and as such it has
incredible mystical power. Speaking things like this, declaring them alters reality,
very very very potent stuff. But for linguists and for skeptics,
the structure of the language just does not match up
with what we know about every other human language. One
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of the primary critics of this is a guy from Australia.
His name is Donald Lake, and he argues that the
phonetic features of this language anachi in or ademical script,
indicate that it was a form of gloss alalia, which
is speaking in tongues, which we have still somehow not
done an episode about, which is fine because when you
(52:37):
say gloss al yeah, it sounds like speaking in tongues.
This picture like la la la la la la lada.
It sounds like a Cerros song to me. Yeah, And
that's totally what they do, right, Isn't that like made
making up a language like on the Fly's kind of
I believe at least one album had featured that heavily.
I thought that was their whole thing, was they have
(52:58):
a language that vaguely sound Icelandic, but it's actually kind
of their own thing. It's like a hagan dahs. Good lord,
that would that would blow my mind. I thought it
was just that one concept album that they did that.
Maybe maybe you might be right. I'm not like a
super fan. I like their music, but I always heard
that that was a thing. Maybe maybe I was hearing
that specifically about one one record. Let us know, folks,
(53:19):
what languages Cigar Rose speaking? Save us the Google search,
So he doesn't end there. Donald also argues that the
syntax of a Nachian is almost identical with that of English,
rather than Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, which declaimed
we're direct degraded descendants of a Nachian. And now most
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linguists are clearly going to agree that this is not
the secret language of angels? But is it an actual language?
If it was a fraudulent enterprise, was decomplicit in the deception?
Was he in on the joke? Was he an accomplice
or a victim? Yeah? And how much money did he make? Really?
(54:07):
In the end, how much money do these guys make
talking about their angelic language. I'm interested. I'm gonna look
it up, but I don't I haven't seen an actually
any of the actual numbers there. And again, how much
was like hidden if there? If money was made, I
in my for my money, I would say that just
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this is my opinion. D would probably believed it, just
from what I know about him and what I've learned
about him and how intelligent he was, unless he was
just trying to find, uh, you know, a quick fix
for money, But it doesn't seem like he would need that.
It seems like he truly believed it, and maybe he
got duped by Kelly. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah,
(54:53):
that's I think that this is a viewpoint. A lot
of people would agree with Matt because in he his
work on the subject, Donald Lacook is clearly impressed by
the consistency of the system of of the language of
the script at least, and he notes that it exhibits
a deeper understanding of the Kabbala, specifically than he would
(55:14):
assume someone like Edward Kelly possessed. But he still believes
this is a fraud. He does not believe this is
an otherworldly dictation or an exercise and automatic writing. He
thinks that Kelly most likely engineered this in pursuit of
a quick quid, and that D was a sincere partner
who was unaware of the deception. In his mind, Kelly
(55:37):
was surreptitiously looking through the works of John d or
his papers and cribbing that so that he could build
something that looked convincing to someone who would have D's knowledge.
And you can do that without understanding what you're mimicking, right,
that's terrifying concept. I mean, it happens, uh. And Donald
(55:58):
also believes there's evidence that Kelly he was working off
of small notes in his sessions. It's interesting in Kelly's
book on the subject, you can see specific times where
in the communications with the angels became garbled, and eventually
Donald Lake can just concludes that Kelly literally got his
(56:19):
notes in the wrong order, and that's why things didn't
seem to make sense. Dude. Yeah. Moreover, he notes how
the language this is interesting. It seems to evolve over
a short period of time from when they began collecting
the notes to when they're really hitting their stride. And
in one passage he specifically asked a great question, it's
(56:41):
this we have a quotation? Can Kelly have got better
at producing what was required of him as time went on?
He must have learned a great deal from living in
close contact with D, and D's credulity would blind him
to slight internal contradictions. Interesting, so would have been able
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to present D's knowledge back to him in a way
that confirmed what D was already certain of it? And
if so, after D d entered the sunk cost fallacy
of investing so much belief in time in this, would
he have just maybe subconsciously ignored things that were clear contradictions.
There are a couple of times where D does note
(57:23):
an inconsistency, but there are a lot of times where
he lets stuff slide. So at this point is where
it leaves us. People who do not believe in the
existence of supernatural beings, especially angels, probably will not see
the Anochian language as any solid proof. There's not we're
we're not really changing any minds here. But people who
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do believe in in this sort of stuff, in the
existence of angelic forces or even divine or infernal forces
that are intangible and usually imperceivable to humans, uh, they
probably won't see the indication of fraud in the Anachian
language as an overall refutation of angels entire. I mean,
(58:08):
it's kind of like saying that Australia doesn't exist because
drop bears are not real? Are you saying drop bears
aren't real? You're stating that saying it's I mean, send
me some evidence. I don't think anyone who's ever come
across the drop bear has lived to tell the tale,
so I am holding off. Then how do we have
stories about drop bears? Uh? Obsidian mirror? Okay, well played,
(58:32):
all right, I'm back in. But it's true. One thing
being false doesn't invalidate everything associated with it, you know
what I mean. No, that makes a lot of sense.
It's kind of like it's kind of like saying, well,
if Tuesday's real, why isn't it tuesday? Now? You know
(58:54):
what I mean. That's not a very perfect I just
want to have my best comparison. I just want to
have that kind of argument all day long. If USB
is the standard, then why isn't that USB? That's not
the same. So that's that's totally right. Yeah, he's got
no no, no, I'm just I'm just some guy who
(59:16):
doesn't speak knocky and not yet, not yet. We want
to hear from you, however, Thank you so much for
checking out today's episode. Uh, first things first, and this
may be a personal question for some of us. Do
you feel that it is possible to communicate with things
that are perhaps beyond the pale um, something from another dimension,
(59:38):
something from a higher plane of existence. Let's get Graham
Hancock with it. Let's see what happens when you speak
directly to your d n A on a d M
T trip. Right. Oh man, Yeah, that sentence was great.
I mean, that's that's not me, that's Graham Hancock. That's
what he believes. The machine els and stuff. Oh sure, sure,
but just to put those words right next to each
other to get a nice ring to it. The DM,
(01:00:00):
what do you think that this is a case of
historical fraud? Do you think there's something else to the story? Um?
And if so, what or what are some other examples
of strange languages that you have encountered. You know, we're
fans of the Voyage manuscript over here, which I think
(01:00:22):
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late January holiday party. Yeah, somebody nagged me really hard
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didn't know a gene jacket was cleaning up and now,
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know what you're doing. You're doing. You're doing the thing
the in cells do where you're just seeing that one negative.
It was the only content and it was the only
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It was very kind human beings. I think we looked good.
The only thing that would have made that picture better
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he We can't reveal Paul Mission Control if he doesn't
have that airror of mystery about him, Like what is
this is basically over for people don't even understand how
his last name is spelled. I'm not gonna break that
illusion either. No, no, no, Omerta. Hey, just I gotta
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stop saying, Amerta. This is like the third episode in
a row where I've just said that as a non sequity.
What were you going to say? Nothing? I was just
gonna say, send me your thoughts through your black ob
city and mirror, because now I'm thinking we need to
install one here somewhere in the office where we can,
I don't know, try and communicate or send things through.
(01:02:35):
Ben doesn't have a smartphone. Ben exclusively communicates via black
obsidian mirror. Oh my god, look at your phones right now?
Would that black mirror idea? I know we're joking, but
just that concept of the black ob citian mirror, I've
never actually made that connection. Nice, you're scrying. Oh god, Well,
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Don't about this, Okay, I don't want to keep us
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teenager who's using Facebook. I think they cut it short
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teenagers a nominal fee for complete access to everything they
do on their phone. Whoa, it was a Facebook research product.
They would have teenagers install a VPN that let the
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just broke as we were going into the into the booth.
Oh my god, So I'm gonna look at that now.
Some of those kids are his young a thirteen. Anyway,
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you are you. You are here that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. Longtime listeners, you'll you'll
note that recently we have been exploring some things that
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are more of the modern world. Corporate cover ups, ongoing
investigations into hidden burial places, and things of that nature,
many of which do point to genuine conspiracies, not conspiracy eeries,
but genuine conspiracies. Today we are delving into something a
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little bit different. We're delving into a realm of spirituality,
a realm of allegedly magic, and the area wherein science,
magic and linguistics are said to converge. Let's start with
angels today. Angels, at least in the Western world, have
a pretty solidified image. You know, most most people in
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the West if you ask them just immediately to describe
what an angel looks like, unless they've done some further reading.
They're going to picture a humanoid being, probably in a
flowing robe or maybe nude, but androgynous and shining brightly.
There's a lot of white involved, pair of large feathered wings,
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maybe multiple pairs, sprouting from the back. And sometimes the
angel will also have a a halo or a herp,
a halo being a circle of light, sometimes depicted as
a band of some shiny golden metal above their head.
This of course, does not match one to one with
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many biblical descriptions of angels, which this this is something
you'll appreciate, Matt. From the X Files, there is a
fantastic depiction of an angel in an episode on the
nephel Um. Do you remember that one with the Sickly children. Yeah? Man,
it's a little hazy for me, but that sounds familiar.
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Are they were the sickly children the Nephelum? They were
like children or they were actually Nephelum they spoiler alert, Yeah,
they were actually Nephelum and they had these mysterious genetic disorders.
But they were being murdered one by one by a
divine agent, which was an angel, and towards the very
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end spoiler alert. Here's your chance to turn back. Now.
Three to one spoilers the towards the end of the episode,
where you actually see this creature attacking someone, It's faces
shift because in some biblical descriptions of angels they have
multiple faces. And of course there are many, many different
types of angels, depending on which civilization or culture you
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are investigating. Man, I was certain you were going to
say it was the chupacabra all along. There is a
chupacabra episode of X Files, and I believe in that
episode three to one spoilers is a It is a
fungal agent, an infection creates chabra. I believe someone that
that may be a different show, but there's so many
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X Files episodes I have to say. Nephelim sounds like
a great name for a metal band doesn't exist, and
the Sickly Children great name for an album by sad
metal band. Neilham is a band. Yeah, yes, of course
I believe that episode of Exiles we're referencing was called
All Souls, and yes I do remember that episode. And
they're not as good as the writers of X Files
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are at this time. They are not making this up
out of whole cloth, as the item goes. Instead, they
are cribbing from beliefs of ancient civilizations far older, by
the way, than the religions of the book, far older
than Islam, Judaism, or Christianity. In fact, most ancient civilizations
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in the world believed in this concept of angels or
something very much like them, benevolent spirits representing a more
powerful deity. So they were almost like minor deities. They
could do little miracles. They were not as powerful as God,
or not as powerful as whatever the supreme uh you know,
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final boss deity was in a belief system, but they
had a heck of a lot more agency in power
than mortals. Well, maybe agency is a tough word. There's
huge argument about angels and free will that dates back
to the beginning of a lot of myths. So it's
important to note here that not all angels are necessarily good.
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We're gonna bust an angel stereotype today. We'll get to
that later on in today's episode. And here's this is fascinating.
So while the belief in angels or something like these
benevolent intercessing spirits, maybe ancient, it persists in the modern
day and the statistics may surprise some of us listening.
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According to a two thousand eleven poll that was published
by CBS, seventy seven percent of adults in the United
States believe angels are real. This is usually, of course,
tied to religion. Eight percent of people identifying as Christian
and people identifying as Evangelical Christians, along with nine of
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people who attend weekly religious services of some sort, say
yes they believe in angels. And a pause here, because
that's a that's a tricky question. That statistic is worth challenge, Gene,
because it all depends upon how the question is asked,
you know what I mean, Like if you simply say, hey,
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do you if you're catching people right outside of a
church service as they're on their way out, and they say,
do you believe in angels, it's safe to say just
based on how human psychology works, they're very much they're
much more likely to say yes. There's all there's social
pressure in that environment. If you did it that way,
that's true, I agree and say yes, yes, of course
I do. And there so often seems to be such
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an all or nothing approach to that flavor of religion. Sorry,
flavor is a weird choice of words, but you know
what I mean like it. It certainly feels like people
would be encouraged to not just take the bits they like,
but you have to believe in all of the lore
and every part of what's in the Bible as being
the truth, or at least say you do, because let's
not forget there's a lot of cherry picking um from
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various religions, I mean, tail as old as time. But
one of my favorite examples is, uh, this author who
wrote a book called Living Biblically. Have you guys heard
of this book? I have not? Oh wait, is this
the one where he lives according to the teachings of
the Bible for a period of time? And like, where's
his beard long? And all of that stuff? What's the
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guy's name? H? A J. J. J. J. Jacobs. He
was on Part Time Genius talking about this The Year
of Living Biblically, one man's humble quest to follow the
Bible as literally as possible. He runs into a lot
of stuff that was treated with great import you know,
but is generally not followed in today's modern age by
most people who would consider themselves practitioners of the of
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Christianity or practitioners of a faith of the Book of
the Abramaic variety he he ran into one are the
ones that was the most surprising to me was when
he ran into the band against wearing two different types
of fabric. That was a big deal. You were not
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supposed us to do that. And so often, even people
who feel that they are following the letter and the
spirit of the law as determined by these religious works,
they'll skip some stuff, you know what I mean, They'll
have some some polyester, I'll have some nylon or whatever
the band fabrics are. But you gotta do what you
gotta do what you gotta do. But it may well
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surprise a lot of people to find that, at least
according to this study, the belief in angels is so
prevalent even in this increasingly secular world. So we have
to ask ourselves what is it about angels that so
captures human imagination even now in nine And to answer
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that question, we have to continue Maybe busting myths is
is not a good choice words here, but we we
have to continue clarifying what angels were historically and how
they became um so closely as asociated with that cultural
icon of the flowing robes and the harp and the halo,
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which again, just it reminds me of how Coca Cola
managed to codify the appearance of Santa Claus. Oh yeah, yeah,
it's true. It's true story. But but here's the fact. So,
first off, where does the name angel come from. Well,
the word itself is derived from the Greek word angelos,
which means messenger Molak, the Hebrew word for angel, also
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means messenger. In both words quite neatly fit in with
the Persian word for angel, which is a garos, similarly
meaning a courier. Mm hmmm. So this so we know
now that all of the earlier uses of this concept
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meant someone who brings a message, right, Yeah, it's not
servant or child or you know, any of these other
things that you kind of sometimes are scribed to angels,
like the children of God in some way in the
offspring of God, the servants of God. Now, these are
messengers of God. And the various similarities between these preceding
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words and phrases has led some researchers to speculate that
the earliest form of what we would call angel comes
from a Sentian linear b script a kai row and
this leads us to one of the most important crucial
things we have to establish here. If we haven't, if
we haven't clearly said it already, the belief in angels
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or beings like them is in no way restricted to
the Abramaic religions. We just tend to hear about this viewpoint,
at least the four of us. Matt Noel palm myself,
because we live in the United States. We are in
and of the Western world, which means that most people
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are going to share even if even if they do
not ascribe to a specific um Abramaic religion, they're going
to share that cultural view of what an angel is.
You know. But this um this is not a purely Christian,
Judaic or Muslim thing. The ancient religion of Zoroastrianism has
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beings very very similar to angels, and Zoroastrianism is its
own fascinating religion that we could do a do a
different episode on. We really should, because I want to
dive deeper into that. It's the source of the name
Mazda and cars. Actually, that's wonderful. It's it's fascinating for sure.
In Abrameric religions, angels are often depicted as these benevolent
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celestial beings and their intermediaries between we mud walkers and God.
And this makes sense right because they said earlier know them.
They're primarily depicted as messengers, but they have other roles
to they do other stuff. Oh yeah, sometimes they will
pop down to protect someone, maybe impregnate someone. I mean, uh,
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that was God, right, that wasn't an angel or a dude.
They also will smite people. Oh yeah, definitely. The archangels
will come down and and take you out if you're
doing the wrong thing. But see, it's so it's so
interesting with some of the tales and philosophies behind intervention
between heaven and Earth and all of these things. Ah,
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I love these topics so much. But yeah, so they'll
protect you, they'll smite you, they might impregnate you. Um,
but they're what that's about it. They'll do little tasks.
Sometimes task is signed by God, so that could be
anything from conveying a message to perhaps delivering someone from peril. Right,
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they pray to God and God sends someone. It's interesting
because in some of the earlier appearances in the Old Testament,
for instance, God is is a hands on manager. God
shows up and specifically talks to people God will, God
will directly intervene, and as the story continues, God seems
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to be increasingly communicating through intermediaries and the Christian faith.
It's through Jesus Christ for instance, right, and the yeah,
the priest if it's Catholic, Yeah, yes, spot on. And
so what we see is that the concept of what
an angel is and what an angel does evolved along
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with the commonly agreed upon understanding of the nature of God.
And within these abramaic religions, angels are organized into hierarchies.
This happens another religions too, but the specifics of the
hierarchy may differ across various belief systems. And that leads
us to angels today. Right, So fast forward thousands of
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years of history. We did a very quick and dirt
the summary of it. Yeah, the angels got in the outfield.
The angels, uh when in the airwaves? We said, yeah,
that was you know, Tom Delongs angels. You know, the
angels definitely did other things. They show up in the
Twilight Zone. There's a lovely inept guardian angel attempting to
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earn its wings. That's a really sweet episode. That's one
of the not depressing Twilight Zones, and that's one of
the I think that's one of the only recurrent characters
in the Twilight Zone universe other than you know, my
boy Rod Serling. You know what I think of when
I think of angels, which as far as the depiction
is the depiction of angels in Dogma by Kevin Smith,
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where they had no genitals. Yeah, angels have been depicted
as androgynous beans at time, which is strange because it
doesn't really jibe with some of the ancient angel stories,
which will we'll get to right And for the true believers,
angels in the modern day largely function as they did
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in the past, more directly. They're bringing messages from a
deity and accomplishing earthly task for that power, perhaps specifically
focusing on one person. The belief in a guardian angel
that looks after you as an individual and your individual
soul is still very much in play in the world today.
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And this leads us to another question, which is a
question we do not mean in an offensive way at all.
Your personal beliefs are your own. It's a question that
the world has still grappled with, which is this, Where
is the proof we we have, we have compelling evidence
that more than half, well more than half of uh
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people in the United States claim to believe in some
sort of thing like this. But at this point, there
has been no confirmed discovery of any physical leaving that
would inarguably indicate the presence of something matching the various
descriptions of an angel. There have been many alleged relics
right there, not only depictions and art, but also feathers
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or ectoplasm that purportedly manifested during a divine sighting, interaction
and situation. For lack of a better phrase, and the
overwhelming mass of what people interpret as proof of angels
up to this point has unfortunately been based on anecdotes,
personal belief and faith. Again, this is not to deride
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anybody who believes in these entities, nor is it meant
to dismiss your personal views. It's it's best to call
it unfortunate simply because without physical, verifiable evidence, most people
who do not believe in these sorts of creatures will
never see a reason to change their minds. Otherwise they'll say, oh,
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you have a story right where let's say you had
a near death experience and you spoke with something that
you perceived be an angel that told you you still
had work to do, and then you woke up in
the hospital right miraculously recovering. You have been dead for
anywhere from two to thirteen minutes or something like that,
your heart wasn't beating. That's that's a very common story.
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As a matter of fact, I would be surprised if
some of us listening today have not had a near
death experience or know someone who has. However, that story
is not going to convince someone who says, you know,
maybe they say I'm an atheist, or maybe they say
I'm a spiritual person, but I don't believe in this
kind of stuff. I think it's tradition. I think it's
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more folklore than fact, unless there were some sort of
physical evidence, because you see, there may be one more
piece of proof, something that true believers feel is all
too often ignored. What if, in a way, the things
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people call angels have left a trace on the waking world.
And what if it wasn't um, you know, bones hollowed
out somewhere between bird bones and human bones. What if
it wasn't a massive feathers uh secreted away in some
reliquary right. What if it wasn't ectoplasm in a hundreds
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year old vial. What if it was something a little
more sophisticated, like a language. Okay, I'm in and let's
learn about it. Back, let's learn about it after a
quick break from from this, because we're gonna hear from
our sponsor and we're back. It appears that we have
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not been smited yet. So here's where it gets crazy.
Language a language of angels. The concept of angelic script
sounds pretty bizarre at first blush right, But for centuries
people have treated this concept with solemnity and seriousness. It
is called Enochian script after the Biblical character Enoch. And
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it all originates, I mean, at least on this earthly
playing with a guy named John d d e E.
He'll be familiar to some of us and others might
just be a vague name. So who is this guy?
And he was real familiar to some from our alchemy episode. Yes,
that's correct, So Mr John d uh he is welcomed
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into this world. Way back in fifteen seven in London.
He was an English mathematician and a natural philosopher, which
at the time is I guess as close as you
could get to being a scientist or what would become scientists,
um and the predacensor. Really, he was also a student
of the occult, as we mentioned, as you might imagine
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knowing that he's involved in alchemy at some point in
his life. But this dude was, I don't know how
to put it. He was crazy educated, oh man, and
at a time when very few people went to school
and a literacy was rampant, because you know, honestly, many
people would live their lives from cradle to grave without
really needing to know how to read. He entered St
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John's College, Cambridge in fifteen forty two. I got a
bachelor's degree there and then a master's degree. He became
a fellow of Trinity College, Cambridge when it was founded
in fifteen forty six. This guy's old school and influential.
Then he traveled to Europe, or as they would say
in British parlance, to the continent, and in fifteen forty
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sevent he made a short visit. Then he stayed from
forty eight to fifteen fifty one studying under mathematician cartographers,
people like Pedro Nounez Gama, Frisius Abraham or Tellius and
Mercatur of the Mercader projection, and he also did self
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directed study in Paris a few other places that have
been lost to history. He started turning down opportunities. The
University of Paris offered him a professorship in mathematics and
fifteen fifty one, and then University of Oxford offered him
essentially the same thing in fifteen fifty four, but he said, no, no, no, no, no.
I don't want to be an academic locked in some
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ivory tower. I have higher aims. I have political aims. Yeah,
I wanna be a part of not royalty necessarily, but
I want to be a part of the people that
actually make the decisions. I'm gonna parlay this big noggat
of mine some power. I could see him as both
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a protagonist and an antagonist in some movie where he's
the extremely intelligent guy on the side, like the Jaffar
figure or a resputant type figure. But yeah, but he
seems to be like at least well intentioned to our
to our knowledge, and he was a huge icon fairly
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early on in the pop culture at the time. The
character of Prospero and the Tempest is based on him.
It's like quote unquote widely thought to be the case.
It's true. It's based on him one guy's opinion. That's
just my opinion. But the evidence is there. So yeah.
So he decides that he's going to join the court.
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He's gonna work in service of the English crown. This
plan is successful. He returns to England and he becomes
a member of the court because he offers to teach
mathematics to courtiers and to navigators, and eventually he becomes
a consultant and astrologer to Queen Mary one. And this
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is at this level of political power. This is similar
to being both on the cabinet of the president and
the astrologer, kind of like how Ronald Reagan had an astrologer.
That's true, you can look it up. It's true. This
this is a dream job, right, this is what he wanted.
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It landed him in jail in fifteen fifty five. He
was charged with being a conjurer. As it happens, it
let him out a little later, but but it is
on the books. So this is the first time he
gets a criminal record. I wonder what he conjured to
get that sentence, or was accused of conjuring. I didn't.
I didn't see that anywhere. Maybe it's just a tiny
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little imp that he was gonna have assist him in
his work. What what conjuring a small homunculusus and you
know whatever, Maybe it was just a small black cat.
Is a homunculus like inherently have a hunch? Doesn't it
doesn't homunculus have a hunch, doesn't have to, It doesn't
have to have What is it? What is it? What
is a homunculus? That it is a It is almost
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like a familiar depenion on the stories, but it's it's
created life, made by an alchemist, usually with some combination
of a bodily fluid like blood seamen, or you're in
certain types of canations, certain types of mud and herbs.
So it could it be a mud person or like
a rock creature of some kind of given life. It's
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closer to a golem. Ah, you guys, I'm not trying
to me. And I've always heard that term. I've always
associated it with like an igor or like some sort
of grotesque, you know, disfigured um sidekick. They are usually
they are usually supposed to be um. I don't know
when they're depicted. They're they're typically going to be depicted
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as deformed in some way or imperfect, because only in
this environment, only God can create a truly perfect being. Right,
so I have a I have a recipe to build
a homoculous attributed to Paracelsis from his book day naturnoum
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in seven. If you want to hear it, can we can?
We try it right now? Um, probably don't have the materials. Well,
we do, but it's not safe for work. That's fair,
thank you. Let's give it up. Let's just hear it.
That the sperm of a man be putrified by itself
in a sealed cucurbit for forty days, and the highest
degree of putrification in a horse's womb, or at least
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so long that it comes to life and moves itself
and stirs, which is easily observed. After this time it
will look somewhat like a man, but transparent without a body.
If after this it be fed wisely with the arcanem
of human blood and be nurished for up to forty
weeks and be kept in the even heat of the
horse's womb, a living child grows therefrom with all its
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members like another child which is born of a woman,
but much smaller. I have questions, does this involve having
sex with a horse. No, but it says the sperm
has to putrefy in the horse's womb. That's right, But
it doesn't say anything about the horse being alive. So
does this have Does this involve having sex with a
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dead horse? I don't think it has to it. That's
really you know, this is the wild West of alchemy
at this point. Man. Uh, that's really If that's how
you want to attempt you are homoculous, then just don't
tell me about it. I also heard I also heard
an alternative. The horse was just an option, right that
you said you could also do it in age it.
When I want to hear putrefy, I'm hearing like ferment, right?
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Is that was that? That was how you would maybe
interpret that word aging the sperm. You could do it
in some kind of stone vessel. I feel like for
for this guy, and did the toum the the the
horse's womb is tantamount? Yeah? Well, there was a YouTube
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series of homuncular where this one dude was attempting to
make homunculous or homuncular, and I'm pretty sure it must
have been fake because of the nasty puppetry that I
believe he was doing was just disgusting to look at,
and the processes that he was describing and all this stuff.
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It was back in the day and I couldn't find
it just now trying to look it up. But does
anyone else recall seeing that in searching on YouTube, perhaps
of a guy trying to make AMUNCULI I've seen some
stuff like it, and it was I was inclined to
believe it was a bit or performance art, but you know,
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I don't know, man, Sometimes it could be tough to
tell when people are being sincere on the internet and
when they're having a go, when they're having a laugh.
It was Oh no, I found it. It It was a
Russian YouTuber. I can't find the original one. It's a
bunch of re uploads the Russian gentleman. Well sir, if
you are listening, we hope you were doing well and
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we look forward to hearing how your experiments have worked out.
And just a little plug, our buddies Joe and Robert
over stuff to blow your mind, have a whole episode
on how to make a homunculus and other horrors. Oh, oh, horrors.
I feel like that's a that's a little bit editorializing. Yeah,
but so aby, how are the John Yes, So he
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also had this interest in the occult. Clearly he's an astrologer.
This is the time when natural philosophy represents both a
mixture of what we would recognize the science today and
what we would recognize as magic or the belief and such.
He published something called the monas Hieroglyphica, the Hieroglyphic Monad
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in fifteen sixty four, and he made it through a
secession of power. When Elizabeth the First descended to the
throne in fifteen fifty eight, he became one of her
scientific and medical advisors. And then he was bawling so
hard that sometime during the mid fifteen sixties he built
his own laboratory in Mortlake, which was an area near London.
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He amassed the largest private library in the country, had
over four thousand books in manuscripts. This is in the
fifteen sixties. You know how long it took to make
a book in the fifteen hundreds, and just to get
that many books from all across the world probably, And
he continued like, let's look at his scientific pursuit. So
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he worked extensively with cartographers, navigators, people that he considered
intellectual peers, or even people that he thought were just
asking interesting questions. Because he was a one man library,
he would loan out these books, he would have people
over to read his books and his works. He published
widely across various disciplines. Uh, stuff like the Banger Hit
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General and rare Memorials pertaining to the Perfect Art of
Navigation in fifteen seventy seven. Uh. And then he published
stuff like an Aphoristic Introduction his views on natural philosophy
and Astrology in fifteen fifty eight. And this is pretty cool.
He actually edited the first version of Euclid's Elements into English,
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which is was extremely helpful. Thank you for doing that
to all people that came after you, John. That was
in fifteen seventy And he also had this this I mean,
we kind of talked about it already, but he was
so into the occult. And I think it's because it's
that thing that we discussed on this show all the time,
that line right between magic and science, and he's already
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kind of writing that line a little bit throughout his
his spiritual pursuits as well as a scientific pursuits, and
he just thought the occult was the coolest thing, and
it grew and grew and grew his interest in this
and um that thing that we talked about, the hiero
glyphic monad that we um just mentioned up top, because
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in that he proposed this single mathematical symbol, magical symbol
that was the key to unlocking basically everything. It was
like the one the one solution to the unity of
all things in nature. Yeah, the as above so below. Yeah,
it's it's true. And it's strange because his interest in
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the occult seems to grow step with his frustration at
scientific pursuit. He felt that there was a veil between
him and in the true nature of reality. And it's
so interesting to me how in these days that whole
pursuit of scientific um knowledge was very much intertwined in general,
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more more, much more so than today when the world
seems so separate. Man of science, man of God and
all that, and a lot of the things that he
that you know, we look at as being um, mystical
sort of or a little bit more occult kind of
got broken off. The whole idea of the monad and
all that into philosophy. So that's it's almost like create
birth the whole another pursuit kind of if you think,
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I don't know, it's interesting. Yeah, yeah, in the same
way that alchemy lead to chemistry. Right, this is so far.
Let's call him the Daytime John d. Right, he's good,
he's brilliant. He's got a centric interest in the occult.
But how far did it go? What does he have
to do with angels? Let's get to them after a
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getting increasingly frustrated because he wants to build a comprehensive
understanding of the natural world. And so, in let's say,
maybe desperation or just in the next step of his
continuing quest, he began seeking supernatural or divine assistance. He
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attempted to speak with angels in the hundreds. By the way,
you ran a a severely high risk of death or
dismemberment by saying that you didn't believe in angels, So
anyone who doesn't count yourself lucky today right in Fife specifically,
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he began performing a long series of magical research projects.
Earlier that year, when he was around fifty four, he
had written in his journal that God had sent quote
good angels to communicate directly with human beings, and so
he had set himself up to make contact with these angels.
But he had a problem. You see, he was not
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a medium. He had attempted to scry and found that
he had no ability to see the other side or
interact with it. Scrying is the act of a meditative
divinatory act, wherein you might stare into a crystal ball,
for instance, or in some cultures an obsidian mirror or
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a container of water. I always thought is when you
look at top card of your library and you decided
to put it either on the back, on the top
or on the bottom of your library. But that's what
That's a cool move in magic? Are you still playing magic?
What I'm talking about? Scrying? Bro real magic? All right? Okay,
(34:17):
that's right. Matt does scry with a deck of cards.
He let me look at this. What is that? Terror? Okay? Oh?
I thought you can say seven of clubs. But that
is not your card. So those are the kind of
results that John D was having. He just he couldn't
he couldn't divine this stuff, and he was honest enough
with himself is very important. He was honest stuff with
(34:39):
himself to say, well, I'm not doing it. I'm not
going to delude myself. I am certain that this talent exists,
but I am likewise certain that either I had do
not have it, or I don't have a strong enough
capacity to learn it. So eventually he did find a medium,
or at least he thought he did. He had old
(35:00):
numerous seances in England and other European countries across the continent,
in the company of his hired medium fellow named Edward Kelly,
who will get to in a moment, but it's very
important in this story. In his attempt to contact angels,
D was seeking that universal language of creation. He thought
(35:20):
it would bring about a pre apocalyptic unity of human kind.
He thought that everyone, despite their differences, knowing this language
would discover some sort of um tangible and supernatural and
philosophical truth about the nature of the universe and Earth
(35:41):
and humanity's place in it, and that this would promote peace,
this would stop pointless wars. Someone like a somewhat utopian, right.
I can totally see where he could get that belief.
It sounds very similar to some of the stuff we've
been discussing earlier with the whole Watchman AUSI mandious thing
like if we all had that one connection for sure,
(36:02):
for certain that makes the world bigger than us, then
maybe we would all get along. Yeah, we have a
we have a lot of them. One stop shoppery in
in in the story of Human Aims. Right. The guy
who who created Esperanto also thought that it would help
end the war because everyone would speak the same language. Yeah,
(36:25):
Esperanto is a great language, by the way, very few
people speak it, but it's a great language. I just
remember like researching it back in the day for the
old website and learning about William Shatner's wonderful film. Well, well,
let's so John d He totally thinks that's gonna happen, right,
and he goes to some pretty extensive lengths to try
(36:49):
and make it happen, to to try and prove that
it's true. Yeah, they have He and Edward Kelly have
hundreds and hundreds of sessions from eighty two until fifty seven,
and and during these sessions they come to believe that
they are communicating regularly with actual angels, and they each
have their role to play. They're they're like a two
(37:11):
man band. So D will be the orator and the supplicants,
so he will be asking these questions. He will ask
them often by directing prayers to God and God's arcangicles,
and then he would invoke them to manifest themselves in
his scrying stone. For him, it was a black obsidian mirror.
(37:32):
I don't know if you guys have seen those in person,
but they look really cool. It kind of gives you
like a sort of a blurred kind of reflection, right,
black mirror esque. Yeah, and Kelly would act as the
ski er. So SOD is invoking these powers and asking
(37:53):
them things, and Kelly is watching for their reactions. He
would see visions rejected in this mirror and he would
describe them to D and then D would write them down.
So cool, and everything picks up steam around the year
fifteen eighty two or fifteen eighty three. Yeah, that's when
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John d and Edward Kelly claimed to have received communication
directly from the angels. Who supposedly allegedly provided them with
the foundations of this language which can be used to
communicate with the other side. Um. This angelic language had
its own alphabet, syntax, grammar, all of which they wrote
(38:34):
down in their journals, and they dubbed this new language Enochian,
which of course sprang from D's idea that the biblical
patriarch Enoch, sort of a Methusilah esque figure in the Bible,
was the last human to know this language, and D
in common conversation, preferred to call this language angelical or
(38:56):
the celestial speech. He also called it the first language
of God Christ and particularly it was fond of calling
it ademical like Adam Keel, because he claimed it was
the language spoken by Adam, the biblical Adam and the
Garden of Eden during the naming of all of God's creatures,
walk the earth, swim the sea, fly in the air.
(39:17):
That's that's an interesting concept that Adam somehow spoke the
same language as all of the angels. Yeah, well way,
oh is he going to speak Esperanto? Well, you know,
it's so make It makes so much sense though, if
you're you're coming from heaven, where all the angels already exist,
and you're going to bestow life upon this creature in
this new world, in this new place. Yeah, you teach
(39:38):
him the like what do you know that? Wow? And
it's interesting because for d at this time, this is
not a crazy assumption. This is barely an assumption. He
had not conceived of a world in which people could
exist without language, you know what I mean, Like at
this time, in the fifteen hundreds, there's not going to
(40:00):
be anyone arguing for the slow evolution of primates right
from an arboreal species to two legged people walking and
and working out or accelerating their differences through a series
of a series of organized noises. What what you're talking about? So,
(40:22):
I mean, that's what I say is people were created
according to the story that he had heard, and that uh,
people would literally be killed for disagreeing with right at
this time, so of course there had to be some
sort of speech. How else would one communicate? Well, it
could be in the form of dance, like in the
Netflix show The o A. Oh. Yeah, that was the
(40:47):
like the Angel language, only I think there was an alphabet.
There was some written versions of it in that show,
but it was largely it was largely communicated through these
amazing dance moves. I watched that so long ago, although
it wasn't that longer. Remember the dancing when a sixteen,
It feels like a lifetime ago, like we're due for
another season and that I'm pretty sure it got green lamp. Yeah,
(41:09):
they just had the one season so far. I think
it did get renewed, but I don't know when it's
going to come out. It would be nice because maybe
they could answer even one of the questions to post
in season one. But but at least Punish your two
is out right now. Yeah, really only not doing very well.
I don't care. It's so good. I enjoyed it. I
(41:29):
feel like I get it. You know, he gets me,
so so Punisher aside, these beans with whom d and
Kelly were in communication told them that being able to
speak this language, being able to speak this ancient pre
human anachi and tongue, would unlock the doors to unlimited knowledge, wisdom,
(41:52):
and power. So let's let's get away from those claims.
Let's look at what what it actually is. You can
go online as you're listening to this episode, and you
can scroll through different analyzes and interpretations of versions of
this alphabet. It is composed of a twenty one letter alphabet.
It was written from right to left, unlike English. There
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are two different versions. The first is in the manuscript
that d created called the First Five Books of the Mysteries.
The second, which is a more widely accepted version today,
comes from a book called liber Loge, which is allegedly
based on Kelly's original drawings. It's got forty nine great
letter tables or squares that are made up of forty
(42:38):
nine by forty nine letters, and it's said to be
the first corpus of text in this purportedly angelic language.
But the thing is, Dean Kelly said, the angels never
translated the text in that book. However, a year later
there were some texts that emerged that did come with
(42:58):
English translations, and therefore we see this as providing the
basis for anachi in vocabulary. The texts have poetic verses,
their forty eight of them. D in his Manuscripts calls
them the Angelic keys, and each key is assigned a
specific function within this magical system. D you see, was
(43:20):
planning to use them to open the forty nine gates
of wisdom or understanding represented by the forty nine magic
squares in in this pre existing book. So that's the
that's long and short, but surprise, it gets complicated. I mean,
just what am I doing with my life if I
if I can't have a goal like unlocking the forty nine,
(43:41):
the forty nine Gates of Wisdom, you just don't have
magic squares. That's just so cool, isn't it. If Like,
if I go, I'm going every day I'm toiling in
the basement somewhere trying to It's really important not to
compare yourselves to others. That's what social media is. It's
causing us to do. When I was in UM, when
(44:02):
I was carded off to this smart kids camp in
a different lifetime, one of the things that they made
us swear to do they were pretty lax on everything,
but one of the things they made us do was
swear not to leave a place they called the Magic Square.
And one of the other kids that was there with
me was convinced that that it was evidence of some
(44:23):
sort of devious arcane Shenanigan. WHOA, I think it was
just the name. Yeah, it wasn't salt or anything. You're sure, well,
I mean no, but seriously, unlocking the forty nine Gates
of Wisdom is like the best quest that you could
ever find in a video game. That sounds incredible, But
(44:46):
he John D. Was trying to do that. I r
L Yes, yeah, And that leads us to a question,
did he succeed? What a great question. Because of the
loss of parts of his original manuscripts, there are multi
double at times conflicting interpretations regarding the meaning, validity, or
authenticity of this language. Almost immediately after it was first published,
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the language was met with suspicion, skepticism, and not a
small dose of hostility, because by the sixteenth and seventeen centuries,
this enoch In script was considered legitimate proof of communication
with other worldlier supernatural beings. Not angels, however, demons. That
(45:34):
makes so much sense to me, just the idea that
a human could never reach the heights of the heaven too,
of heaven the heavens to communicate with God. But if
you are attempting communication like that, a treacherous demon from
down below is going to intercede and then give you lies,
essentially on purpose, the corruption yep, to mislead you, right
(46:00):
to put you in rebellion against the true powers that be,
and the whole time you'd think that you're in communication
with angels. One of the supporting platforms for that argument
would be the idea that the devil and infernal forces
typically used deception and trickery right to lead people away
from the light. They also be angels or supernatural entities
(46:24):
that created this language or communicated in it. Were said
to have discredited the existence of the Holy Ghost. These
kind of claims the the idea that you shouldn't pray
to or through Jesus Christ, or that the Holy Ghost
doesn't exist. They directly attack the foundations of Christianity, and
this caused people to conclude that the quote unquote good
(46:46):
angels that d and Kelly contacted were actually demons. Demons
in this sense could be a reference to fallen angels,
the formerly divine creatures that rebelled against God, prompting a
war in heaven and were cast down into the pit
or escaped to the earth, or you know, it could
be h could be a reference to the watchers and
(47:09):
also occur in the Book of Enoch, right, the angels
that were supposed to keep an eye on mankind, you
know what I mean. The babysitters more or less, but
then lost their way, slept with the daughters of men
and created Nefilim. Weren't those the big rock monsters from
the Darren Aronofsky and Noah movie. Yes, they were. Yeah,
(47:30):
the coolest part about that movie. But but but very
out of left field. It kind of like threw me
for a loop. Hold on. Yeah, but again, we were
talking about skepticism at the time and everything, and you know,
I can hear some of you out there. Um, I
can hear the skepticism in my headphones from the future.
(47:52):
I can just hear it. I'm listening to it. I
can hear it because it's happening within me. Um. Up
there it is. Again, it's just kind of a general stress. Um.
But but that knock, I'm not sure what it was, um,
but it's I guess it's just you. You kind of
have to put yourself in them and really in the mindset.
(48:12):
And that's what we've been trying to do in building
up to this. You know, where we are giving you
the history and the kind of the background of this stuff.
You just have to put your mind yourself in the
mindset of somebody in the Freds that truly, truly believes
these things. And this is your This is um the
concrete upon which your entire you know, world is built.
(48:34):
So just remember that and don't scoff at it. Yeah,
don't be I mean, don't be dismissive. Look, there were
people who lived, you know, five hundred or two thousands
something years ago. Nowadays, it's it's alarmingly easy for people
the modern age to dismiss those folks and say, oh,
that was that was so uneducated, or how could you
(48:57):
believe this kind of thing, you know what I mean?
But we are benefiting from centuries and millennia of progress
that none of us living had anything to do with.
We are standing on the shoulders of giants, and we
are ourselves making assumptions that will look cartoonish to people
even twenty years from now. And we say all of
(49:20):
that because it wasn't necessarily in any way the spiritual
nature of the claims. That were the things that seemed
that that people were most skeptical of. Yes, okay, So
for the people who outright said this is flynn flammery,
this is malarkey, this is balder dash. There were two
(49:44):
primary factors that indicated to them, this whole thing was
a fraud. First, Edward Kelly, who mentioned Edward Kelly Alchemists
self described to medium partner in this X spluration with
John D. He had another life before his foray into
(50:05):
the spiritual frontier. He was a known counterfeitter. He had
been arrested for forgery, he had been pilloried, he had
been to the dogs and back. So that makes him,
you know, a person of questionable character. Secondly, the prophecies
mentioned in the Enochian communications don't actually come true, even
(50:26):
relatively mundane and specific ones, Like there was a claim
that D would one day be tried for treason. It
was not. So maybe they're misreading the timeline. Maybe it's
a syntax error and translation. But still, if you're not
getting things right and you're working with somebody that already
has a reputation as a John D, you know, it
really does kind of make you question why he's choosing
(50:48):
to go this route. True, that's a good point, but
we can see how there was already a contingent of
people that said, all right, everyone, I know this sounds
really cool, but we have to checker sources. Right, let's
go to the modern day. This language, the script is
still around, and now our species has vastly more sophisticated tools, techniques,
(51:11):
and in a more profound understanding of how language in
general is created, composed, and continues to evolve. We now
have people who travel around the world just to find
dying languages or just to find new languages that are
that are blossoming across the planet. So for true believers
(51:33):
in the modern day, this stuff is the real deal.
Maybe not specifically angels. Maybe d and Kelly didn't know
exactly what they were talking to, like those old warnings
against wigia boards, but regardless, people who consider themselves practicing
magicians will often say this is a proto language, arguably
(51:55):
one of the first languages, and as such it has
incredible mystical power. Speaking things like this, declaring them alters reality,
very very very potent stuff. But for linguists and for skeptics,
the structure of the language just does not match up
with what we know about every other human language. One
(52:17):
of the primary critics of this is a guy from Australia.
His name is Donald Lake, and he argues that the
phonetic features of this language anachi in or ademical script,
indicate that it was a form of gloss alalia, which
is speaking in tongues, which we have still somehow not
done an episode about, which is fine because when you
(52:37):
say gloss al yeah, it sounds like speaking in tongues.
This picture like la la la la la la lada.
It sounds like a Cerros song to me. Yeah, And
that's totally what they do, right, Isn't that like made
making up a language like on the Fly's kind of
I believe at least one album had featured that heavily.
I thought that was their whole thing, was they have
(52:58):
a language that vaguely sound Icelandic, but it's actually kind
of their own thing. It's like a hagan dahs. Good lord,
that would that would blow my mind. I thought it
was just that one concept album that they did that.
Maybe maybe you might be right. I'm not like a
super fan. I like their music, but I always heard
that that was a thing. Maybe maybe I was hearing
that specifically about one one record. Let us know, folks,
(53:19):
what languages Cigar Rose speaking? Save us the Google search,
So he doesn't end there. Donald also argues that the
syntax of a Nachian is almost identical with that of English,
rather than Semitic languages like Arabic or Hebrew, which declaimed
we're direct degraded descendants of a Nachian. And now most
(53:46):
linguists are clearly going to agree that this is not
the secret language of angels? But is it an actual language?
If it was a fraudulent enterprise, was decomplicit in the deception?
Was he in on the joke? Was he an accomplice
or a victim? Yeah? And how much money did he make? Really?
(54:07):
In the end, how much money do these guys make
talking about their angelic language. I'm interested. I'm gonna look
it up, but I don't I haven't seen an actually
any of the actual numbers there. And again, how much
was like hidden if there? If money was made, I
in my for my money, I would say that just
(54:29):
this is my opinion. D would probably believed it, just
from what I know about him and what I've learned
about him and how intelligent he was, unless he was
just trying to find, uh, you know, a quick fix
for money, But it doesn't seem like he would need that.
It seems like he truly believed it, and maybe he
got duped by Kelly. That's what it feels like to me. Yeah,
(54:53):
that's I think that this is a viewpoint. A lot
of people would agree with Matt because in he his
work on the subject, Donald Lacook is clearly impressed by
the consistency of the system of of the language of
the script at least, and he notes that it exhibits
a deeper understanding of the Kabbala, specifically than he would
(55:14):
assume someone like Edward Kelly possessed. But he still believes
this is a fraud. He does not believe this is
an otherworldly dictation or an exercise and automatic writing. He
thinks that Kelly most likely engineered this in pursuit of
a quick quid, and that D was a sincere partner
who was unaware of the deception. In his mind, Kelly
(55:37):
was surreptitiously looking through the works of John d or
his papers and cribbing that so that he could build
something that looked convincing to someone who would have D's knowledge.
And you can do that without understanding what you're mimicking, right,
that's terrifying concept. I mean, it happens, uh. And Donald
(55:58):
also believes there's evidence that Kelly he was working off
of small notes in his sessions. It's interesting in Kelly's
book on the subject, you can see specific times where
in the communications with the angels became garbled, and eventually
Donald Lake can just concludes that Kelly literally got his
(56:19):
notes in the wrong order, and that's why things didn't
seem to make sense. Dude. Yeah. Moreover, he notes how
the language this is interesting. It seems to evolve over
a short period of time from when they began collecting
the notes to when they're really hitting their stride. And
in one passage he specifically asked a great question, it's
(56:41):
this we have a quotation? Can Kelly have got better
at producing what was required of him as time went on?
He must have learned a great deal from living in
close contact with D, and D's credulity would blind him
to slight internal contradictions. Interesting, so would have been able
(57:02):
to present D's knowledge back to him in a way
that confirmed what D was already certain of it? And
if so, after D d entered the sunk cost fallacy
of investing so much belief in time in this, would
he have just maybe subconsciously ignored things that were clear contradictions.
There are a couple of times where D does note
(57:23):
an inconsistency, but there are a lot of times where
he lets stuff slide. So at this point is where
it leaves us. People who do not believe in the
existence of supernatural beings, especially angels, probably will not see
the Anochian language as any solid proof. There's not we're
we're not really changing any minds here. But people who
(57:45):
do believe in in this sort of stuff, in the
existence of angelic forces or even divine or infernal forces
that are intangible and usually imperceivable to humans, uh, they
probably won't see the indication of fraud in the Anachian
language as an overall refutation of angels entire. I mean,
(58:08):
it's kind of like saying that Australia doesn't exist because
drop bears are not real? Are you saying drop bears
aren't real? You're stating that saying it's I mean, send
me some evidence. I don't think anyone who's ever come
across the drop bear has lived to tell the tale,
so I am holding off. Then how do we have
stories about drop bears? Uh? Obsidian mirror? Okay, well played,
(58:32):
all right, I'm back in. But it's true. One thing
being false doesn't invalidate everything associated with it, you know
what I mean. No, that makes a lot of sense.
It's kind of like it's kind of like saying, well,
if Tuesday's real, why isn't it tuesday? Now? You know
(58:54):
what I mean. That's not a very perfect I just
want to have my best comparison. I just want to
have that kind of argument all day long. If USB
is the standard, then why isn't that USB? That's not
the same. So that's that's totally right. Yeah, he's got
no no, no, I'm just I'm just some guy who
(59:16):
doesn't speak knocky and not yet, not yet. We want
to hear from you, however, Thank you so much for
checking out today's episode. Uh, first things first, and this
may be a personal question for some of us. Do
you feel that it is possible to communicate with things
that are perhaps beyond the pale um, something from another dimension,
(59:38):
something from a higher plane of existence. Let's get Graham
Hancock with it. Let's see what happens when you speak
directly to your d n A on a d M
T trip. Right. Oh man, Yeah, that sentence was great.
I mean, that's that's not me, that's Graham Hancock. That's
what he believes. The machine els and stuff. Oh sure, sure,
but just to put those words right next to each
other to get a nice ring to it. The DM,
(01:00:00):
what do you think that this is a case of
historical fraud? Do you think there's something else to the story? Um?
And if so, what or what are some other examples
of strange languages that you have encountered. You know, we're
fans of the Voyage manuscript over here, which I think
(01:00:22):
someone recently claimed to have decoded it again, but that
happens every few years, right. You can let us know
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(01:01:08):
I had know, if not social medialy available. I just
like stalking you guys. I saw that great picture from
the holiday party that we had, the like the super
late January holiday party. Yeah, somebody nagged me really hard
on that because Ben said, we, uh, look, we really
do know how to clean up. And someone says, I
didn't know a gene jacket was cleaning up and now,
(01:01:29):
but the rest of me was cleaned up. Jet, you
know what you're doing. You're doing. You're doing the thing
the in cells do where you're just seeing that one negative.
It was the only content and it was the only
comment on the There are a ton of comments on
the picture I saw unless you gotten to it early.
It was very kind human beings. I think we looked good.
The only thing that would have made that picture better
(01:01:51):
is if our mysterious and enigmatic super producer Paul Mission
Controlled Decade would have deigned to make an appearance. Oh no,
he We can't reveal Paul Mission Control if he doesn't
have that airror of mystery about him, Like what is
this is basically over for people don't even understand how
his last name is spelled. I'm not gonna break that
illusion either. No, no, no, Omerta. Hey, just I gotta
(01:02:15):
stop saying, Amerta. This is like the third episode in
a row where I've just said that as a non sequity.
What were you going to say? Nothing? I was just
gonna say, send me your thoughts through your black ob
city and mirror, because now I'm thinking we need to
install one here somewhere in the office where we can,
I don't know, try and communicate or send things through.
(01:02:35):
Ben doesn't have a smartphone. Ben exclusively communicates via black
obsidian mirror. Oh my god, look at your phones right now?
Would that black mirror idea? I know we're joking, but
just that concept of the black ob citian mirror, I've
never actually made that connection. Nice, you're scrying. Oh god, Well,
(01:02:56):
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to a phone, you can't of us a call. We
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(01:03:17):
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for twenty bucks or something extra, will wire tap your phone.
Don't about this, Okay, I don't want to keep us
going too long, but neither, but this is important. It's
important for anybody who is a teen or has a
teenager who's using Facebook. I think they cut it short
(01:03:41):
because lawmakers became furious with this. But Facebook was offering
teenagers a nominal fee for complete access to everything they
do on their phone. Whoa, it was a Facebook research product.
They would have teenagers install a VPN that let the
(01:04:02):
company see everything they did there. And this this story
just broke as we were going into the into the booth.
Oh my god, So I'm gonna look at that now.
Some of those kids are his young a thirteen. Anyway,
let us know what you think. If none of that
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