October 28, 2016 • 66 mins
Mere days before the US election, it seems overwhelmingly likely that either Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump will become the next President of the United States. Both candidates have been the source of great controversy, and in the second part of this series we explore the facts, fiction, controversy and conspiracy theories surrounding the Clinton campaign.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My
name is no hiding a cold Brown. They called me
been you or you that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know? Is it weird that I was
the only one that had a nickname. It was a descriptor.
I just wanted to kind of give people that caveat,
that glimpse into my personal life that I might sound weird. No,
I thought it was well done in those smooth makes sense. Yeah.
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Of course the episode you're tuning into here today is
a sequel to uh an episode we did earlier last
week when we covered the top conspiracies about Donald Trump
in our series All Action Part one. This is Election
Part two, Ladies and gentlemen. So what do you think
we would we would possibly cover what in the in
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the realm of wild guesses would be out there, Jill Stein,
You're getting closer. Okay, who's the guy in Utah? Evan Brigham? Young?
Is it? This has got? This is our Gary Shandling episode. Yeah,
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a long time in coming. Uh. This is as as
you probably know, because most people do check the title
of a podcast before they listen. This is our follow
up when we look at the top Conspiracies concerning the
Clinton campaign. Now, a lot of people were pretty um,
I don't know if I want to say sensitive, passionate, passionate.
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It's a great one on our YouTube channel where we
released a video that was a much shorter version and
abbreviated version of Top Trump Conspiracies. A lot of people
didn't I didn't think we were going to do uh,
the same thing with the Clinton campaign. And I just
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have to say I spent a lot of time going
in comments and replying to people with When you watch
the video you're commenting on, you'll see that we say
we're covering the Clinton thing. And I can understand that
politics can be, um, you know, a very touchy subject
for a lot of people, but we endeavor to we
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endeavor to be as objective as possible, reporting what other
people are telling us and then exploring it a little bit,
which means the first thing we have to do is
a bit of a disclaimer, just like we did in
the earlier episode. So, like I said, before politics are passionate,
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touchy if you will. In the United States, most citizens
are what are known as low information voters we talked
about last week, meaning that a political party um largely
gets its support in much the same way as a
sports team or um, you know, uh, a film star. Yeah.
So people might say I love the Dallas Cowboys or
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I love the Atlanta Braves no matter what if they're
doing a bad job, I still am committed to them,
which doesn't really translates to politics, but it does have
posed danger to critical thought, right because after all, you
don't want the other guys to win, do you, So
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you might still vote for stuff that you largely don't
agree with, and that creates a situation where policy can
take a backseat to spectacle, regardless of your political affiliation. Uh.
It's it's pretty apparent that a lot of substantive policy
conversation has been replaced with name calling in soap opera
type language spectacle. Uh. Television places purporting to be journalists
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are more concerned with who wore what rather than the
nuts and bolts of, say, a fiscal plan. So we
did a two part series We've got our work cut
out for us. Both candidates are surrounded by conspiracy theories,
and in this episode, we're looking at the Democratic front
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runner for president just days before the election. Uh, ladies
and gentlemen, this is a collection publicly available facts, arguments,
and claims made four and against Hillary Clinton. Okay, let's
jump right into Mrs Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was born
in Chicago, Illinois, in nineteen seven. She met her husband,
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William Jefferson Clinton, in nineteen seventy one at Yale Prestigious
and they you know, this is a by no means
an entire biography. If you want to watch that or
learn about her biography, go to the Democratic National Committees
video that they made for the convention this year. Uh,
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it's narrated by one of your favorite actors who I'm
sure there's a fabulous A and E special about it
from somewhere back in the day too. Oh there is.
And if you want to watch the propaganda version, it's
the d n C one. It's beautiful, it's it's touching,
you know, it's very nice. Fun fact that you guys
just in reject real quick. Hillary Clinton or winches born
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Hillary Rodham was board on October six, the same day
that we're recording this episode. Whoa, it's her birthday? You
know years later? Yeah, it's actually her birthday. No, Yeah,
I think she's having a good one. I don't know, man,
the stakes have got to be high. Yeah, the pressure.
Does anybody have a good day if they're running for
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president this close to the election? You know, the very
good point you make. Okay, So in ve Hillary and
Bill married, So they became the Clintons, and that name,
that power couple, the Clintons. Will Apparently he kept making
eyes at her and study hall, and finally she walked
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up and introduced herself and said, well, you're gonna keep
looking at me like that, you might as well know
my name. I'm Hillary Rodham and then she kissed him
on the mouth firmly, and the rest is history. I details,
well everything up to the passionate but you know that's
the part they wanted you to believe. But yes, they
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became a power couple. That name, the Clinton has becomes
synonymous with this political power coming from the South going
up to Washington, d c Um. It doesn't happen very
often when Southerners get to go up there and grab
the reins of power. I'm just thinking about Georgian our
Georgian president, Jimmy Carter that went up there, um, trying
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to think of very many others. Well, Uh, the problem
with Jimmy Carter is that while nearly everybody on any
side of the aisle agreed that he seemed like a
very nice, even noble personality, he wasn't as effective of president.
So the interesting thing about this episode is that Bill Clinton,
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William Jefferson meant Julip Clinton is going to pop up
in this a lot. And initially it might seem strange
to say, like, well, if this is about one person
in Clinton, why do we keep talking about the other one?
And that is because they were inextricably aligned. They were,
as Matt said, a power couple. So as they both
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rise to prominence, Uh, Bill Clinton in legislative in public
service and Hillary in the world of private law, they
are uh working together. And their opponents, of course, how
have some problems working in that regard right that that's
where they say something's rotten in the state of Arkansas. However,
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if we're just sticking to the uh, we're just sticking
to the facts right now before we get into speculation,
we have the same ability that we have with Donald Trump,
which is if you want to learn their current policies,
it's just an Internet search away. It's literally their name
plus policies, and it will show up um in your search.
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Bard It should uh display a list of quotations from
these people, actual quotes. It has a has a pull
down menu for each one, which is really nice, so
you can pass through it pretty quickly if you want to,
or you can take your time. Whether you support or
oppose a candidate, I would say, especially if you oppose
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a candidate, it is your responsibility to know what you
are supporting or opposing. Don't be that kind of person
who just said, you know, my grandmother was a Republican
or Democrat, and my father was a Republican or Democrat,
and therefore I am whatever because the family line, because
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the bloodline. That's not the best critical thinking. I think
we can all agree one last thing on these the
search that you can do for policies. What you're not
going to find in here are quotes from anything that
has been leaked from a third party source about a candidate,
or even words spoken by a candidate that was leaked, right,
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and you're not going to find those in these Google
searches for one reason or another. Yeah, that's true. These
are just on the record statements, usually in the in
the mainstream, so you won't find any um. You won't
find any leaked audio, or you won't find any leaked
emails or transcripts or an Event's right. Another thing that
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we know about is that similar to the Donald Trump
campaign in in many ways, over time the Clinton campaigns,
or actually Hillary Clinton, the individual politician, has evolved their views.
So these policy issues have changed over time. And of
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course that's often going to happen when someone has such
political longevity, as as both of the Clinton's and originally
you will hear people say that Hillary Clinton was in
her younger days fairly conservative. So other experience Hillary Clinton.
So we had said that Donald Trump rated um his
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experience in the business world as equivalent to public service.
Hillary Clinton has uh less business experience, more on the
public service end. She was New York Senator from two
thousand one until two thousand and nine. Then she was
famously or infamously Secretary State from two thousand nine to
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two thousand thirteen. After withdrawing after conceding the first presidential elections,
she ran in UH and then she worked closely with
the then president Barack Obama to enforce foreign policy, and
her activities as Secretary of State have given, uh, given
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rise to a lot of stuff that we'll hear about
in our podcast. Another thing people say is people will
rank her political activity when she was first Lady under
the eight years of the first Clinton presidency as policy experience.
And this will be both from her supporters and her opponents.
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So she was widely considered by journalists to be one
of the most politically active first ladies in office. You know,
she had she had the first office in the West Wing.
If you were getting interviewed for a position in Bill's cabinet,
you might have to go through an interview with her team.
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And you think interns were vetted. I don't know. I wonder,
just amazed me. Wonder if that happened. I don't know.
I heard they have an open marriage, Like how very
house of cards. So I mean that's that that gets
floated a lot. And given her you know, toughness and unflappability,
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given all those uh sort of embarrassing things that came out,
would not surprise me. So that's like the scuttle but huh, Okay,
my mom thinks that's the case. Let's put it that. Okay,
all right, and there we go. You know, you don't
have to reveal your sources. Seriously, Hi mom, Okay, just
to drive back here, there is something to say. I
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think about being in a room with these highly influential
other political people who are who are influential themselves on
anything like whether it's another governor or a senator, congress person,
any of that stuff. Just having Hillary Clinton being able
to speak with these people like and as a first
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Lady counts as experience if you ask me, I mean,
it's you know, just literally experiencing the way that these
deals are made. Being in the room, you know, even
if you are an unofficial vote more or less, that
is very real life experience that she can then apply to,
you know, the rest of her career path. So I
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think it's very fair to say that her kenure is
first Lady awarded her some level of experience in you know, policy,
and opponents who paint this individual as power hungry or
something also point to that as being uh policy experience.
They will they will say that it doesn't really count
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because it underground and it was nepotistic, but they but
I think everybody agrees with Knowle's point that this is
it is experienced to be in the room when that
stuff happens. And then when we when we mentioned some
of the other stuff, appointing vetting White House staff stands
on gun control. One of the first big nationally recognized
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pushes in recent history, which sounds very qualified, but I
sure it is necessary. Pushes for healthcare came from spearheaded
in many ways, they're sponsored by Hillary Clinton, and it
was ultimately unsuccessful. But a lot of people talked about
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that plan when the next one, the Universal Healthcare UH Compromise,
the Obama Care as so often called by its opponents,
or the Affordable Compromise Act the a C a UM. Yeah,
the when that came out, people thought it harkened back
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to UH in many ways, the Clinton Um, the Clinton Plan,
although it was actually based full of fun facts on
Republican Mitt Romney's original plan for Massachusetts, so it was
more of a single payer plan like uh, you seemed
to be more open and quote liberal, you know, everybody pays,
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everybody gets healthcare kind of thing, almost attacks right, Yeah,
and this is uh, you know, there we could do
a whole episode this healthcare thing. But let's point out
we've we've given just the bare bones facts. We haven't
delved into anything, and we haven't really said anything controversial yet.
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This is this is just stuff. Yeah but wait, uh no,
is it true that some people say there's more to
this story? Story? Oh, Ben, you know there's more. But
first we have the cliffhang with a sponsor break. Here's
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where it gets crazy. So first things first, gentleman, let's
focus on Hillary Clinton pre running for president. Right, that
sounds like a good idea. And for this, let's jump
all the way back to good old nineteen seven and nine.
That's something that was occurring that would later known later
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be known as the white Water Scandal. Now, in nineteen
seventy nine, the Clintons are living in Arkansas and they
decide to take out a twenty thousand dollar loan in
order to make a down payment on another loan of
roughly two hundred thousand dollars with a couple of people
on a land venture. They're gonna buy a bunch of
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land and this is land that's in the Ozarks that
it's a huge purchase of one point four million dollars
for this giant tract of land, and then the Clintons
are going to get a part of it right as
a couple. And the plan was to flip it. Right. Yeah,
you buy this land and we're gonna sell it to
a bunch of Yankees who are gonna come in and
they call them what it like, winter birds. I forget
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what they call it with the terminology snowbirds. Yes, and
flip the this land in the Ozarks that's by river.
They're gonna love it. We're gonna make so much money.
So that's V. Nine. Then you jump forward. Oh, by
the way, we shouldn't we should note here, Um, around
this time, Bill Clinton is running for governor in Arkansas.
Hillary Clinton is working at a was it Rose? Is
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that what it's called, the law firm, the law firm,
Rose Law Firm. It's it's very prestigious in this area.
And they're not making a ton of money. I've been
I think when we looked at it, it it was around
fifty thousand dollars together some that something like that combined income. Sure.
At the time, Bill Clinton was working as the a G.
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The Attorney general in Arkansas, so his salary in the
late seventies was about twenty six thousand, five hundred dollars.
If his campaign for governors succeeded, he would, uh, he
would get around a ten thousand dollar bumped at thirty
five grands. Hillary clintons salary at the time was twenty
four thousand, twenty four thousand, five hundred and that's fifty
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one thousand, one hundred seventy three dollars in ninety eight dollars,
So not bad. No, infe dollars, that would be a
hundred and eighty six thousand, So not hurting for money
by any means, not hurting for money. But regardless, they
took on a twenty thousand dollar loan to take on
another two dollar loan, and they didn't do it alone.
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They didn't get the loan alone. Correct. They had two partners,
Jim and Susan McDougall. Oh the McDougall's, yes. Uh So
with these four people were complete owners of a thing
called called the White Water Development Corporation. They all had
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equal shares and their sales pitch was one weekend here
and you'll never want to live anywhere else. It's so
funny because for a long time there was no property
on the land that they owned there. They just said, well,
here's the property. You know, imagine, imagine living here on
this property. But Hillary took out a loan in her
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own name for thirty grand or so, and they decided
to build like a speck house, like an example of
what it would look like, so you could really envision
your dreams living here, like the model home from arrested Development,
precisely like this. What was the name of that development,
Sudden Valley. Yes, that's a good name. So, uh, the
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allegations here that started start piling up. A spoiler alert everyone.
The white Water Development Corporation did not do well, no
at all all. It tumbled and it fell. Uh. And
part of the reason this happened was because towards the
end of nineteen, interest rates has spiked to nearly twenty percent,
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so people who would have bought a vacation home decided
not to do it. As Matt said, Jim asked the
Clinton family for more uh more cash to pay interest
on the loan. The Clinton's uh later this importance said
they had no knowledge how this was used. Um. Eventually,
Jim decides to go into banking and he gets the
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Bank of Kingston in nineteen eighty in a place called
Woodruf Savings, Loan and eight two, he renames them Madison
Bank and Trust Madison Guarantee Savings and Loan. Uh. And
then starts the money starts getting sticky, right because he
uh he holds a fundraiser at Madison Guaranteed to pay
off Clinton's Night four campaign debt of fifty grand. Uh.
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Some of that's in McDougald money, some of it's a
mad u some money. Uh. Then he starts getting embroiled
with um what arguably would be nepotistic interest or corruption.
So in eighty six federal regulators realized that the but
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some of his activities seemed pretty sketchy. So in eight
five he had started a construction project called Castle Grande.
But the regulators and eighty six thought that was a sham,
just the way to move some money. Uh. So Grande
earned two million in commission and fees from McDougal's business buddies,
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as well as some legal fees for Rose Law firm.
But it collapsed in eighty nine and cost the government
four million dollars. Uh. This triggered the collapse of the
Madison Guarantee Federal regulators had to take over, and the
failure of this is estimated of Madison guarantee estimated to
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cost the US seventy three million dollars. So people will
say that the Clintons had knowledge of this and participated
knowingly in a financial conspiracy. Yeah, that's the That's what
the opponents will say. Are the people who believe in
this theory. Well, they'll also point to this as evidence
of pay to play with both of the Clintons, because
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right after all this stuff started going down in nine uh,
Bill Clinton was elected the governor and then McDougall, Mr
McDougal was brought on into the state government as an
economic development aid. Jim good Old, Jim McDougal, Yeah, was
brought on like into the into Bill Clinton's government. Let's
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talk a little bit more about this idea of pay
to play, because that's been something that's been coming up
a lot in terms of potential conflicts of interest that
have revealed themselves us through some of the leaked emails,
the wiki leak emails. What what's just what's a kind
of base level description of what pay to play means
in this context as applied here and maybe even to
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what's been going on with like the Clinton Foundation. Well,
I've got a quote here. This quote comes from Steven Sanders,
who was in nineteen seventy nine a director of Citizens
Bank and Trust. I'm assuming somewhere in Arkansas, possibly near
the Ozarks, I'm not sure, but he says, quote, you
do things for a guy and you get him indebted
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to a degree at least you get access. So ultimately,
ultimately what it means is paying a little bit of money,
either in a donation, say to a foundation, or to
a campaign, or in this case to a land deal
a loan for a land deal, and then you get
a favor, you get appointed to a position. You you know,
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you get preferable treatment in some other deal of some sort.
That's the whole idea, even if it's just access of
being in the same room, just being in the room,
just having an audience. That's what I thought. So while
this stuff all all starts happening in the late seventies eighties,
it really comes to a head in the national media.
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A lot of people don't know about this, and frankly
a lot of people too now when they feel like
they have to spend more than five minutes learning something.
So when you hear you know, um, political figures in
Arkansas implicated in UH, financial dealings, land swaps and even
cattle futures come to play a role. So a lot
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of people, a lot of people, this just sort of
wooshed over their heads until two when a New York
Times reporter asked Bill Clinton about the failure of the
Whitewater Development Corporation. And then they report it. And when
it's in the Times, a paper of note, people take
what note exactly nailed it? And so in nine a
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fellow named Kenneth Starr was appointed by a three judge
panel to continue this Whitewater investigation. UH, and he was
he was replacing a guy named Robert Fisk. Robert Fisk
had been appointed by the Attorney General. H too had
this Whitewater investigation to see what was um, what was
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going on with those transactions? Were they legal right to see?
And there were allegations too big allegations surface. One that
Bill Clinton pressured businessman in Arkansas named David Hale to
make a loan that would benefit Clinton and the owners
of Madison Guarantee the McDougal's, and two that in Arkansas
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Bank had concealed transactions involving uh the Clinton campaign in
n So the president actually got subpoena in May of
ninety four, but in in August ninety four, when they
bring Kenneth Starr on, they do it to replace Fisk
because Fisk had originally been chosen an appointed by Janet Reno,
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and Janet Reno was an attorney general working for Clinton.
So you know, you can see how that would that
would be a pretty solid conflict a ventures at least
potential for that. So here's what David Hale said. He said,
while Clinton was governor of Arkansas, he was pushing David
Hale to make an illegal three hundred thousand dollar loan
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to Susan McDougal, who was one of the partners in
that Whitewater deal. What happened was that the testimony started
not to not to work out, and and the FBI
noted that um, his original testimony apparently, according to them,
did not include Bill Clinton at all. So Clinton said,
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you know, I never asked this guy to do this thing.
At that point, Hale had already pled guilty to felonies UM,
and they said, well, you know, things will go easier
for you if you testify against Bill Clinton. So this
drags on. It's like six years ongoing, all told, and
it expands. Jennis Starr expands it into other things that
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are um not really related, unethical still but not really related,
like the Monica Lewinsky stuff, and this uh this entire time,
though Hillary Clinton is also being is also one of
the people of interest in here. Eventually, Jim and Susan
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McDougall were convicted on several different charges. One that Susan
McDougall got was for contempt of court because she refused
to answer some questions. When Bill Clinton left there his
final days in the presidency, he pardoned Susan McDougal UH
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and James McDougal at are agreeing to cooperate with Ken's Starr.
He died in prison, allegedly at the hands of some
unknown Clinton henchman within the prison. H that's that's a
theory put forth by several people. One one caller to
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Rush Limbaugh at the time said, quote, chalk up another
body to Clinton. Well that seems legit. Well, I mean,
there are multiple people. It wasn't. This is just right.
So a guy named Vincent Foster is working as a
Deputy White House Council when he's found dead in Virginia's
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Fort Macy Park in July nine. His death was officially
ruled as suicide. But uh, there's an attorney named Miguelardriguez
who was uh the head investigator for Kenn Starr at
the time. He disagreed. Instead, he alleged Vince Foster was
clearly a victim of murder and authorities Star included had
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suppressed evidence of a second gunshot wound through Foster's neck.
To a lot of people who believe that Vince Foster
was murdered, they don't think he was only indirectly murdered
by the Clintons, but also just one of many alleged victims.
So despite multiple investigations concerning the white Water scandal and
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related things that can start um shop for in his report,
the Clintons themselves were never prosecuted, no jail time, no finds,
no um, no need to I guess publicly apologize if
they did anything wrong, or I think just said that
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the system checked into it and the system found no crime.
But this leads to something else, And if you want
to learn more about this specific case of Vincent Foster,
a lot of the details. You can find an FB
inside the FBI vault, there is a huge, huge list
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of documents where their official statements, findings, evidence, all that
kind of stuff. Um. If that that's if you want
to see the official side, if you want to continue
on down that rabbit hole. UM more on the conspiratorial side,
you can look up the Strange death of Vincent Foster
Colan and investigation. That's by Christopher Rudy or I think
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it's Rudy and he has been right. He wrote about
this then he's continued to look into it since then.
It's a fascinating story. It's got lots of intrigue, and
I would say, you know, uh, go for it if
you want to investigate more. Right, So that sounds like
the accusation here is that not one but two people
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were somehow killed because they crossed the uh the Clinton
um administration, at least for the people who believe that, however,
or that's just the beginning of a rabbit hole. Yeah,
did we already did? We mentioned that Vince Foster was
allegedly having an affair with Hillary Clinton. According to several sources,
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they had been having this ongoing affair and he knew.
He knew certain things that maybe he shouldn't have known.
That's that's least. According to Rudy, he knew too much things.
Oh yeah, and one of them was about the white
Water scandal itself and the money that they owed people,
and you know the people that owe them money. And
then I don't know, it's it gets all wrapped up.
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It's this huge, it's quite sorted. It is. It's insane.
And again, there's an entire book you read to learn
more about it. And this isn't just as we're seeing
one or two people. This is the beginning of a
rabbit hole that many of you have written to us
before about and asked us to check out, and that
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is the Clinton body count. So the idea here is
that the Clinton family and their associates have routinely been
murdering anyone who crosses their rise to power. So some
examples of this these are this is a long list,
and it's a varying um. That's the best way to say.
It's a varying likelihood. So James McDougall Mary mahoney was
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a former White House intern murdered at a Starbucks coffee
shop in Georgetown it happened just after she was to
go public with a story of sexual harassment in the
White House. Again according to the people who believe in
the Clinton body count. Then there's Vince Foster Ron Brown. Uh.
This is someone who died in a plane crash. Uh,
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and a pathologist close to the investigation allegedly reported there
was a hole in the top of his skull resembling
a gunshot wound. See Victor Razor too and Montgomery razor ed.
Willie Clinton fundraiser found deep in the woods with a
gunshot wound to the head, and nine three died on
the same day his wife playing Bill Clinton groped in
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the Oval office at the White House. The list goes on.
You can find different versions of it. Um. I pulled
up one that has fifty three people on it, which means,
if it's remotely true, that's insane. How could The first
question is how could that happen without any repercussion? You
know what I mean? Because whomever killed jfk I had
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to go to a lot of trouble to get one person.
Granted that was the president, so it's a little tougher, right.
That's like trying to snipe a final boss in a
video game. And I don't mean to be insincere, it
really is had to be a difficult thing. Within the list,
there's even a sub list of bodyguards who worked for
the Clintons. There's a whole bunch of them, five s
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like twelve bodyguards that are listed here as having died
according to this one source. Right. And so we read
some examples of this with different um different causes of death,
different ideas. And for people who don't believe in this,
they'll say, well, you know, you're just reading tea leaves.
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You have confirmation bias. People just die all the time.
But there are a lot of gunshot wounds here on
their multiple on that list, and they're grouped by purported
information they would have on specific cases, right, And these
people are known associates of the Clintons in some former fashion. Yes, yeah,
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and so we we wonder, you know, there's it's it's
no secret that at the top of at the at
the top of any hierarchy, there's going to be a
lot of corruption, A lot of dirty deeds are done,
I guess fairly expensively. I hate to break the lyrics there,
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but we had another another guy who shows up on
the list it might be familiar to longtime listeners is
a guy named Danny Casolero, an investigative reporter who slid
his wrists purportedly in the middle of his investigation. I
think after he said, Hey, if someone tells you that
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I killed myself, don't believe it. And you know, we
also know that these kind of political murders just in
general across the globe. Without saying we found any any proof,
any solid proof on the Clinton side, we can say
that we know these kind of murders occur, like that
intelligence operative for m I six is in m MY
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five or M I six who apparently locked himself in
a Duffel bag. Yeah, and then you know how many
times like how do how does somebody just run into polonium?
I think the Russian, the Russian faction or intelligence service
that did that clearly wanted people to know it was Russia.
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I like to keep someone round just in case, just
to have Yeah, just for like for the table, take care,
I'll take care of the cheese dip. If you've got
the polonium. That seems reasonable. Ben, our parties are great, Matt,
can you bring fun hats? Yeah, I've got a whole
truckload of those. Okay. Uh, so we've got our fun hats,
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polonium and cheese dips sorted, which I guess means it's
time to move on to something else. The Clinton Foundation.
This was a big one too. So according to uh
several several different sources. Uh, there are allegations about the
Clinton Foundation and the phrase we mentioned earlier, pay to play.
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So a lot of folks who are opponents of the
Clinton campaign argue that there is dirty money that was
going into the Clinton Foundation during um Hillary Clintons time
has sec terry of State and that this, uh, this
money was essentially functioning as a bribe to have Clinton
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used her influence at the State Department to get a
more favorable outcome for somebody, you know, like twelve million
from the found from the King of Morocco to the foundation.
And the question is like how much how much influence
really occurred there? We do know in the past that
there have been political machines where someone says, you know, well,
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donate to my, uh my home for elderly orphans, and
I will make sure that you get that uranium mind
that you wanted, and uh, I don't know it sounds
more to me like a meet and greet, you know,
with a rock band or your favorite singer. You know,
but didn't we just discussed that meet and greek session
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alone can be some form of influence. That's true, but
so could meeting in sync. You know, if I paid
a bunch of money to go to a meet and
greet within Sync and they just happened to, you know,
make me the fifth member of in Sync? How many
people ran in Sync? I forget? You know that I
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would be life changing for me and totally worth the investment.
But that isn't necessarily going to happen. That's not guaranteed
to happen, right, but it's potential for it to happen.
So is this kind of behavior illegal? The legality is aside.
I would just say that if you decide not to
have that meeting, not to pay the money to go
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and have the handshake, then you're guaranteed to not be
heard on whatever issue it is you're trying to push.
You gotta try, you know, everyone's got their dreams. But no, seriously, though,
I mean, this is obviously a an ethical question, but
is it illegal? Right? Yeah? And and more importantly, are
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they actually using the foundation to launder money from shady
characters or something like that. Uh. The show last week
tonight had had a great piece on some of these
implications and indictments. For instance, you know, you can read
a headline that says you can give of Morocco or
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um elderly Nazi or whatever donates money to Clinton campaign
and then they make a deal with someone else. But
depending on the way the money is distributed to a
foundation or what kind of falsett it comes out of,
the person who is behind the money may never be revealed.
You might just say, like, here's a twelve million dollar
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donation from the Committee for Research into um extraordinary remarks,
and you will have no idea that's you know, George
Soros or the Koch brothers or um who's like the
most evil person right now? Rothschild, I don't know. I
don't know the Philippines head So I guess to take
away here. And what makes a lot of people uneasy
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about Mrs Clinton is the perception that she is for
sale to the highest bidder. If you donate money, then
she'll get in a room with you, and there's potential
that she'll do you solid and use a vampire voice too,
like that of what you like from the people of Montana,
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or more like you know godfather voice where it's like,
then there's the day have my daughter is birth day, Well,
may call upon you one day to do the kind
of to me. That's that could be happening right now
as it is the day of her birthday. Or maybe
it's a bobcat gold Slate voice really or a Gilbert
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Godfrey voice. What I could only hope, But I don't know.
I've I've ever been you know what I mean. I mean,
I guess what I'm getting at is like, no, it's
not illegal, but it's sure does call into question this
person's um integrity, integrity, Yeah, it definitely could look bad,
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you know what I mean. And this this is called yeah,
this is called in question numerous times people have people
have mentioned it in this debate m or this current
political cycle, and have mentioned it before. The Clinton Foundation, though,
is a is a powerful global entity, you know what
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I mean. So it's going to get money from a
lot of places, even Morocco. So another thing we've heard
about pretty often is the Benghazi attack in two thousand
and twelve. This would be while Hillary Clinton was still
Secretary of State. UH. There was an attack on an
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American diplomatic compound in BEng Ghazi, the Libyan Consulate UH.
It resulted in the death of the U. S Ambassador
Olibya Um, as well as some officers UH, the Depth
of Information Management Officer Sean Smith. A lot of the Libyans,
the local Libyans condemn the attacks, just thought this was disgusting.
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This got picked up UM to the tune of like
eight separate congressional investigations attempting to discern who is at fault,
and different conspiracy theories sprang up around the idea that Um,
the Secretary of State Clinton was either responsible through negligence
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or even some purposeful thing that's largely been put to
bed in the mainstream. Fox News came out and reported
on it and said that after the investigations, well, actually,
I have a quote here. Would you guys like to
hear it? Please? Oh? Right, here's the quote. The House
Committee investigating the deadly terror attack in Benghazi today released
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its report after two years seven million dollar investigation, the
eighth investigation to date. The authors of the report make
no new accusations or provide no new evidence wrongdoing against
the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. So for many
people who are opponents of the Clinton family, they're thinking, oh,
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they just house the cards that once more and so
now fin angle their way out of something. But for
other people, it's like, did the did political opponents just
attempt to make um a means of attack? Right? And
that's a good question whenever you are this far along
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in the election process. And these are all things that
happened before Hillary Clinton was this bar like was even
really running uh for president time for the second time. Yeah,
So that leads us to the butt. Wait, there's more moment,
which is what happens during the election. Well, I think
we've about made it to modern day, shall we say, um,
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with all the hubbub going on right now with this
uh two thousand and sixteen presidential election. But before we
hop into that good stuff, let's just take another quick
little sponsor break. So the allegations reached a fever pitched
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the conspiracies on both sides, UH became more and more frequent,
and more and more I guess prominent in the national
debate when the elections UH and the campaign's actually began.
The biggest one, of course, which we have mentioned before,
is the idea that there was a rigged election. Yeah,
and the primaries first, with the d n C working
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in like uh with the Clinton campaign to make sure
that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee and to shut
out Bernie Sanders, who was gaining more and more popularity
as they got towards the convention, especially considering the d
n C chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz um had worked with
Hillary Clinton on her previous campaign. Yes, yeah, and was
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the head of you know, the d n C. So
supposed to play fairly at all times. However, it seems
like they haven't. Um. It seems like that when the
rubber hit the road, that was not the case. And
it was strange because for a lot of people who
were supporting Bernie Sanders on the Democratic side of the debate, uh,
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they were feeling, in a way this very similar to
what some Trump supporters were probably feeling, where they thought,
you know, this was a candidate who was running not
just against the other party, but against the big wigs
and the fat cats of the establishment in their own wigs,
the fat wigs and the big cats and all the
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fancy pants and unicorns with their unbendable pinkies and their
monocles and their uh cravats, their bubble pipes, their fancy pretzels,
nothing but the best. But yeah, we kid, but you know,
we kid, But those are all real things. Well, the
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actual people who control the system currently, yeah, aka the
political class. So they felt many of these people were
Bernie Sanders supporters felt that they were they were being
suppressed by this system that was built to um create
the illusion of choice rather than the actual agency of choice. Debbie,
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Wasson and Schultz got a lot of flak from that.
And to be honest, looking at it, this is just
my opinion. It doesn't look good. It certainly doesn't look unbiased,
you know. I mean there was a lot of internal
discussion about more or less undermining the Sanders campaign, you know,
or like bringing up um questions that would make Bernie
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Sanders look bad in terms of his religious beliefs. That
was one that got put out there. Um, and you know,
just just the general tone was not one of impartiality. Yeah.
I was saying stuff like we'll do whatever we can
to shore the Clinton presidency. And it's strange, there there's
something else here that makes me wonder. Um, you know, people.
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People don't just allege that the d n C was
UM was corrupt. They also alleged people who support trumpers
support another candidate like Stein or Johnson or whomever, including
Donald Trump himself, alleged that the current election is rigged,
which we talked a little bit about last week. That's
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the idea that the Trump and Clinton campaigns were actually
working together in concert, in beautiful, glorious political music making
concert with one another to guarantee Mrs Clinton's election. So
the idea that Donald Trump himself was a was running
a false flag campaign to benefit the Clinton campaign. Yeah,
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you summon up beautifully. And we talked about this a
little bit last week. But to go uh a step
further with this, uh, there are people who will argue
that this decision over the identity of the next president
was decided back in Barack Obama's first term, when uh,
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when Clinton was given the the Door Prize of American Politics,
which is the Secretary of State. Yeah, and essentially that
she gave up the nomination. She endorsed Barack Obama at
the UM what the d n at the National Convention
in oh I guess that was a seven o eight
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When that was occurring, and in order to do that,
she was like told, yeah, no worries your next in line,
and that's sort of you know, we saw what we saw.
John Kerry, the UM former would be president, also gets
Secretary of State John Forbes Kerry by the way, speaking
of big wigs. Uh, but to mention his wife Teresa Hines,
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I know that sweet catchup money. I hope, I hope
what I hope at some point one of them has
said that this catchup money kind of like blood money,
but it's much sweeter. It's only for college films. Better
on hot dogs. It's way better on hot dogs. I
was thinking the same thing. So, yeah, that that allegation
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goes up to this idea that there exists a political
class in this country. And this political class, uh, it's
far more concerned with the electoral than the popular votes right,
and is completely happy to have you, me and the
average Jane John Doe American. Uh, more concerned with soundbites
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and political jokes are spectacle bread and circuses than to
hear what candidates actually want to do. That's why we
wanted to open both of these with recommending that you
go check out the policies both of the front runners,
especially the one you disagree with. You should know what
you're disagreeing with, unless, of course, all of those things
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that you're reading are not the actual policy stances of
the people that are running for an office, because instead
they say those things behind closed doors to like during
a fundraiser, or because they're getting paid two hundred thousand
plus dollars to speak, right. Yeah, that goes back to
some of the leaked transcripts and stuff about the Clinton
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conversations with Wall Street. Yeah, you just gotta have a
public policy stance and a private policy stance. And in
her defense, when she said when she was somebody asked
her about that, she said it was a reference to
Abraham Lincoln's work, uh Many, reuniting the country after the
Civil War. I mean, sure, I mean it sounds noble.
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At the same time, it's just politics as usual, as
we understand. Sound noble or does it sound duplicitous? I mean,
I wasn't gonna say that, but yes, I mean I
don't know. Abraham Lincoln had a pretty noble beard, you know,
he strikes quite a noble figure, you know. But yeah,
but look at you got. It's hard to trust you
when you say stuff like that because you have an
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amazing beard. Oh you think I'm being duplicitous. I think
it might Beard. I think you mightn't see my face.
I think you might have a conversational bias here. That's fair. Well,
you know, um no, I just I think it all
comes down to this question of, you know, whether or
not a candidate can be bought or if they are
quote unquote of the people. And you know, even Barack
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Obama not saying that he's been bought, but as much
of a populist candidate in general as he seems to
have been, sort of like a guy you'd want to
have a beer with or you know, go roller skating
with or something like that. I mean, you know, the
guy has a public face in a private face, and
he's going to make decisions as needed, and he's not
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always necessarily trying to check off his list every single
policy promise that he made when he was running. I mean,
you say these things to get a certain demographic behind you,
and then once you get elected, it's sort of like
all bets are off. Yeah. I was gonna ask, like,
how much of this election stuff is pillow talk? You know,
it's like baby, Yeah, I love you, I love you, America,
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come here. It seems like that's what most of it is.
And maybe it's always been this way. It's just now
again because of the Internet and because of the advancements
in technology, we kind of no better, at least more
of us no better. Yeah, one would, one would hope.
But there's all right. And that's the big argument that
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people are making about supporting Trump is that he represents
moving away from that, you know, where it's like, no,
he says what he thinks, he's he's not full of it.
You know, he is going to do what he thinks
his best. Whether or not you believe that what he
thinks is best is in fact a good thing or
not is entirely different story. Kind of what you see
is what you get up what he sees what you get.
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There are people that are tired of this political you know,
jockeying and uh, just pillow talk, as you say. But
I think that's completely accurate, and it's a little bit frustrating,
and I think that's why a lot of people are
are very dis enchanted with the whole process and feel
very hopeless about it. It may also be why a
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little over fifty of the voters in this country in
two thousand twelve actually cast a vote for the presidency.
Only a little over half actually voted people who could vote.
And you guys know, I'm pretty cynical about this stuff
often because people are gonna show up once every four
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years to cast one vote and then say, well, I've
done my done my bit. Now I'm purchasing my right
to complain for the next four years. Here's a great example.
I don't want to let this go by and miss
this opportunity. Here's a great example maybe of public face
and private face to take knowals earlier earlier mentioned of
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Barack Obama, who, by the if you're listening to this
the day it comes out, is still president for a
little while. Um So when when originally that that candidate
was campaigning and we're promising the sun, moon and stars,
you know, to everybody, U better position for student loans
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which are already burgeoning crisis, uh, better assistance for the
average family, and then closing Guantanamo Bay, ending some of
the horrific uh quagmire events in the Middle East. But
then later you know, it didn't close Guantanamo. He's gonna try, yes,
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but he also he also helped invade Libya and and
told the domestic population of the United States that this
was to protect our interest and a matter of human rights.
It is confirmed by current leaks leaked documents from Wiki leaks,
primarily that the real reason the West invaded Libya is
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because France wanted to keep the frank that has used
as currency in that part of the world as the
dominant currency. Moll Mar Gadaffi, with great reserves of gold,
wanted to unite the continent of Africa into a you know,
United UH, United African Union and and AU to the
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EU and then have a common currency there which would
empower a lot of these countries that have been systematically
impressed since colonialism UH, so that their resources can be
extracted and enable the lifestyles of the of the people
who were born into these gigantic companies that would take
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over countries back in the day. And once you get
to that level, ben and you realize that that's what's
at stake. These kinds of things are what it's what's
at stake. It makes me at least imagine that the
president is not making the decisions, these decisions alone, that
the president is not um maybe even as oh God, personally,
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when I think about these things, then it makes me
see at least a bit of a glinn at something
that I've thought for a while, and that's that the president,
whoever it is him or herself, is not as powerful
as maybe we would like to believe. It's the humans
that are that surround the president that actually are the
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powerhouse in making these decisions, making these deals, deciding that
we are going to go to war, or at least
speaking to the president's ear and saying we need to
do this, we need to get this done because of X,
Y and Z. What ends up happening is the president
becomes this figurehead that we hang many people hang all
of our hopes and fears, you know, and outrage on
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when things don't go as planned, when things are going
well at a boy at a gal president, but when
things are crumbling, it's all about the president, and the
president that's the person that's out there in public that
you can literally make the brunt of your frustrations. And
you know, I mean there's something to be said about
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that as a sort of opiate effect of you know,
on the masses, where you have this kind of targeted
individual that people are able to praise or curse. Man,
it sort of takes the um focus off of the
machinations that are really work. I think that's a great
point because when it goes to machinations that are really
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at work, if we're talking, if we take it back
to that private public audience, Barack Obama's public audience was
the American people into a lesser degree. Uh, citizens of
other countries to whom the US plays an instrumental role,
like Canadians, right and uh. The private audience, however, was out.
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It was It was out in France. Lawmakers in France
and NATO saying, look, guys, the frank is really big
to us, and we're buddies. Right well yeah, and OPEC,
all of OPEC going, hey, you know we uh we
atually needs you to keep that money because we we're
backing all the oil with these currencies. So yeah, we're
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gonna need you to do something. In America, I can't
speak to any opaque involvement. I just know that France
was definitely France, definitely, but it's I mean, okay, let's
just say they are monetarily involved even if they had
no say, I see what his decisions and so sorry
we're getting I got us a little bit off track here,
but you make a great point. So private public face
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email scandal that has been existing for a long time,
still not prosecuted. Hillary Clinton used a private email server
based in the basement of her home that used to
be uh part of her husband's home office to hold
thousands of official pieces of electronic correspondence. Why is this
a big deal? Why does it matter? Great question? Well,
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it's because if you're Secretary of State, you're going to
deal with quite a lot of classified material. It could
be anything from just confidential all the way up to
top secret all the way to some weird classification that
I don't know of because I'm not the Secretary of State,
nobody knows about it. And doing this was not without precedent,
let's put out there. Colin Powell did this as well,
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and discouraged Mrs Clinton from doing it because of the
potential for conflict of interest. He knew that it would
be a headache, right, He probably almost wished he hadn't
done it in the first place. Like that old Hank
Williams song, I've been down that road before, Hank Williams, Sr.
I don't know. I just I was listening to it earlier.
(01:00:32):
Good stuff, So wise it's a wise man. Thanks I did.
I didn't know I would work that hard to squeeze
that one into conversation. But here we are, folks, here
we are. UH. An FBI investigation into these private servers
and some of the allegations missing emails found that over
one hundred of the emails they surveyed contained confidential, secret
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or even top secret data. In the course of their investigation,
they concluded that the Clinton campaign had been or excuse me,
the Clinton administration secretarycy had been extremely careless, but that
it was not a prosecutable offense. A lot of people
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who think this was a shady or sketchy thing point
out that just a week before FBI Director James Comey
announced that the bureau would not file charges against Hillary
Clinton for storing that stuff on a private server, Attorney
General Loretta Lynch had a private meeting with Bill Clinton
on her jet in Phoenix. It was an unplanned meeting, allegedly,
(01:01:38):
and they just talked about grandchildren and golf. Yeah, it
just happened to be coincidental that the two of them
met up as the scandal was unfolding well. Of course,
The New York Post reported that FBI agents believed there
was an inside deal afoot. Um this, Uh, this sounds
(01:01:58):
like another another case of you know what looks bad?
It really does, and what can you do about it?
It's very tough for us. Former president goes onto a plane. Yeah,
they can't meet in a restaurant, come on, or maybe
security is better on a private plane. See, that's all
it is. They just wanted to say hey on the
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plane because of security. And then um, John Podesta, campaign
manager for Clinton campaign, gets his emails hacked, and you're
getting a look at a lot of a lot of
the way that the organization works. Um, wiki leaks release these,
and wiki Leaks is releasing them and dribs and drabs
(01:02:41):
and bursts. The idea being if they release them all
at once, the mainstream media will suppress the story. But
if they release them in small burst, people will go
hooked and continue to tune in. At this point, Uh,
there is no d O J or FBI um proceedings
against the Clinton family, and uh, either she or Donald Trump,
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unless something incredibly strange happens, are going to be uh
President's presidents of the United States. And it looks like
we're running almost out of time. We've gone on for
a while. But if you guys would like, I could
just read a list of some of the miscellaneous conspiracies
that we didn't get to. You got a whole list.
I have a whole list. So there's a lot of
(01:03:27):
stuff that alleges, you know, adult times shenanigan rey, like
illegitimate children or different fathers. Is also a it's also
a theory about body doubles. We covered in another thing. Um.
There's also this theory that when Bill Clinton was governor,
the Clinton's uh covered up a multimillion dollar cocaine smuggling
(01:03:48):
ring based in Mina, Arkansas. Yeah, and Reverend Jerry Folwell
distributed thing about it called the Clinton Chronicles. Oh my gosh,
I know, it's all over the place. And I remember
one of the last ones been is that she's actually
a Republican, that that Hillary Clinton is in fact a
Republican in in Democrat clothing. She's a Dino Democrat in
(01:04:14):
name only. Yeah, and uh, we know that we didn't
get to everything for either Donald Trump or for Hillary Clinton,
but we'd like to hear some of your thoughts. Apparently
she's also a demon demon Alex Jones both lizard people.
Alex Jones said that, yeah, he doesn't say that. He
says she's not David. She smells use far. Well, maybe
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I will have to check out his show one day
in the meantime, what do you think? Oh? One of
the other conspiracies that we didn't really mention is that,
of course the Clinton campaign supporters believe wholeheartedly that almost
all of these are trumped up accusations. Maybe that's a
(01:05:00):
poor choice of words, from trickle down accusations, yeah, Trump
to up accusations, Uh, meant to just discredit somebody. So
that's also something in the mix. Whether you support or
opposed Hillary Clinton, whether you support or opposed Donald Trump,
whether you decided you know what, I'm not gonna buy
into this false diychotomy. I'm going to vote for whatever
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
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welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. My
name is no hiding a cold Brown. They called me
been you or you that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know? Is it weird that I was
the only one that had a nickname. It was a descriptor.
I just wanted to kind of give people that caveat,
that glimpse into my personal life that I might sound weird. No,
I thought it was well done in those smooth makes sense. Yeah.
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Of course the episode you're tuning into here today is
a sequel to uh an episode we did earlier last
week when we covered the top conspiracies about Donald Trump
in our series All Action Part one. This is Election
Part two, Ladies and gentlemen. So what do you think
we would we would possibly cover what in the in
(01:09):
the realm of wild guesses would be out there, Jill Stein,
You're getting closer. Okay, who's the guy in Utah? Evan Brigham? Young?
Is it? This has got? This is our Gary Shandling episode. Yeah,
(01:30):
a long time in coming. Uh. This is as as
you probably know, because most people do check the title
of a podcast before they listen. This is our follow
up when we look at the top Conspiracies concerning the
Clinton campaign. Now, a lot of people were pretty um,
I don't know if I want to say sensitive, passionate, passionate.
(01:53):
It's a great one on our YouTube channel where we
released a video that was a much shorter version and
abbreviated version of Top Trump Conspiracies. A lot of people
didn't I didn't think we were going to do uh,
the same thing with the Clinton campaign. And I just
(02:15):
have to say I spent a lot of time going
in comments and replying to people with When you watch
the video you're commenting on, you'll see that we say
we're covering the Clinton thing. And I can understand that
politics can be, um, you know, a very touchy subject
for a lot of people, but we endeavor to we
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endeavor to be as objective as possible, reporting what other
people are telling us and then exploring it a little bit,
which means the first thing we have to do is
a bit of a disclaimer, just like we did in
the earlier episode. So, like I said, before politics are passionate,
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touchy if you will. In the United States, most citizens
are what are known as low information voters we talked
about last week, meaning that a political party um largely
gets its support in much the same way as a
sports team or um, you know, uh, a film star. Yeah.
So people might say I love the Dallas Cowboys or
(03:21):
I love the Atlanta Braves no matter what if they're
doing a bad job, I still am committed to them,
which doesn't really translates to politics, but it does have
posed danger to critical thought, right because after all, you
don't want the other guys to win, do you, So
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you might still vote for stuff that you largely don't
agree with, and that creates a situation where policy can
take a backseat to spectacle, regardless of your political affiliation. Uh.
It's it's pretty apparent that a lot of substantive policy
conversation has been replaced with name calling in soap opera
type language spectacle. Uh. Television places purporting to be journalists
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are more concerned with who wore what rather than the
nuts and bolts of, say, a fiscal plan. So we
did a two part series We've got our work cut
out for us. Both candidates are surrounded by conspiracy theories,
and in this episode, we're looking at the Democratic front
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runner for president just days before the election. Uh, ladies
and gentlemen, this is a collection publicly available facts, arguments,
and claims made four and against Hillary Clinton. Okay, let's
jump right into Mrs Hillary Rodham Clinton. She was born
in Chicago, Illinois, in nineteen seven. She met her husband,
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William Jefferson Clinton, in nineteen seventy one at Yale Prestigious
and they you know, this is a by no means
an entire biography. If you want to watch that or
learn about her biography, go to the Democratic National Committees
video that they made for the convention this year. Uh,
(05:11):
it's narrated by one of your favorite actors who I'm
sure there's a fabulous A and E special about it
from somewhere back in the day too. Oh there is.
And if you want to watch the propaganda version, it's
the d n C one. It's beautiful, it's it's touching,
you know, it's very nice. Fun fact that you guys
just in reject real quick. Hillary Clinton or winches born
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Hillary Rodham was board on October six, the same day
that we're recording this episode. Whoa, it's her birthday? You
know years later? Yeah, it's actually her birthday. No, Yeah,
I think she's having a good one. I don't know, man,
the stakes have got to be high. Yeah, the pressure.
Does anybody have a good day if they're running for
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president this close to the election? You know, the very
good point you make. Okay, So in ve Hillary and
Bill married, So they became the Clintons, and that name,
that power couple, the Clintons. Will Apparently he kept making
eyes at her and study hall, and finally she walked
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up and introduced herself and said, well, you're gonna keep
looking at me like that, you might as well know
my name. I'm Hillary Rodham and then she kissed him
on the mouth firmly, and the rest is history. I details,
well everything up to the passionate but you know that's
the part they wanted you to believe. But yes, they
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became a power couple. That name, the Clinton has becomes
synonymous with this political power coming from the South going
up to Washington, d c Um. It doesn't happen very
often when Southerners get to go up there and grab
the reins of power. I'm just thinking about Georgian our
Georgian president, Jimmy Carter that went up there, um, trying
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to think of very many others. Well, Uh, the problem
with Jimmy Carter is that while nearly everybody on any
side of the aisle agreed that he seemed like a
very nice, even noble personality, he wasn't as effective of president.
So the interesting thing about this episode is that Bill Clinton,
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William Jefferson meant Julip Clinton is going to pop up
in this a lot. And initially it might seem strange
to say, like, well, if this is about one person
in Clinton, why do we keep talking about the other one?
And that is because they were inextricably aligned. They were,
as Matt said, a power couple. So as they both
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rise to prominence, Uh, Bill Clinton in legislative in public
service and Hillary in the world of private law, they
are uh working together. And their opponents, of course, how
have some problems working in that regard right that that's
where they say something's rotten in the state of Arkansas. However,
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if we're just sticking to the uh, we're just sticking
to the facts right now before we get into speculation,
we have the same ability that we have with Donald Trump,
which is if you want to learn their current policies,
it's just an Internet search away. It's literally their name
plus policies, and it will show up um in your search.
(08:31):
Bard It should uh display a list of quotations from
these people, actual quotes. It has a has a pull
down menu for each one, which is really nice, so
you can pass through it pretty quickly if you want to,
or you can take your time. Whether you support or
oppose a candidate, I would say, especially if you oppose
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a candidate, it is your responsibility to know what you
are supporting or opposing. Don't be that kind of person
who just said, you know, my grandmother was a Republican
or Democrat, and my father was a Republican or Democrat,
and therefore I am whatever because the family line, because
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the bloodline. That's not the best critical thinking. I think
we can all agree one last thing on these the
search that you can do for policies. What you're not
going to find in here are quotes from anything that
has been leaked from a third party source about a candidate,
or even words spoken by a candidate that was leaked, right,
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and you're not going to find those in these Google
searches for one reason or another. Yeah, that's true. These
are just on the record statements, usually in the in
the mainstream, so you won't find any um. You won't
find any leaked audio, or you won't find any leaked
emails or transcripts or an Event's right. Another thing that
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we know about is that similar to the Donald Trump
campaign in in many ways, over time the Clinton campaigns,
or actually Hillary Clinton, the individual politician, has evolved their views.
So these policy issues have changed over time. And of
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course that's often going to happen when someone has such
political longevity, as as both of the Clinton's and originally
you will hear people say that Hillary Clinton was in
her younger days fairly conservative. So other experience Hillary Clinton.
So we had said that Donald Trump rated um his
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experience in the business world as equivalent to public service.
Hillary Clinton has uh less business experience, more on the
public service end. She was New York Senator from two
thousand one until two thousand and nine. Then she was
famously or infamously Secretary State from two thousand nine to
(11:01):
two thousand thirteen. After withdrawing after conceding the first presidential elections,
she ran in UH and then she worked closely with
the then president Barack Obama to enforce foreign policy, and
her activities as Secretary of State have given, uh, given
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rise to a lot of stuff that we'll hear about
in our podcast. Another thing people say is people will
rank her political activity when she was first Lady under
the eight years of the first Clinton presidency as policy experience.
And this will be both from her supporters and her opponents.
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So she was widely considered by journalists to be one
of the most politically active first ladies in office. You know,
she had she had the first office in the West Wing.
If you were getting interviewed for a position in Bill's cabinet,
you might have to go through an interview with her team.
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And you think interns were vetted. I don't know. I wonder,
just amazed me. Wonder if that happened. I don't know.
I heard they have an open marriage, Like how very
house of cards. So I mean that's that that gets
floated a lot. And given her you know, toughness and unflappability,
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given all those uh sort of embarrassing things that came out,
would not surprise me. So that's like the scuttle but huh, Okay,
my mom thinks that's the case. Let's put it that. Okay,
all right, and there we go. You know, you don't
have to reveal your sources. Seriously, Hi mom, Okay, just
to drive back here, there is something to say. I
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think about being in a room with these highly influential
other political people who are who are influential themselves on
anything like whether it's another governor or a senator, congress person,
any of that stuff. Just having Hillary Clinton being able
to speak with these people like and as a first
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Lady counts as experience if you ask me, I mean,
it's you know, just literally experiencing the way that these
deals are made. Being in the room, you know, even
if you are an unofficial vote more or less, that
is very real life experience that she can then apply to,
you know, the rest of her career path. So I
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think it's very fair to say that her kenure is
first Lady awarded her some level of experience in you know, policy,
and opponents who paint this individual as power hungry or
something also point to that as being uh policy experience.
They will they will say that it doesn't really count
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because it underground and it was nepotistic, but they but
I think everybody agrees with Knowle's point that this is
it is experienced to be in the room when that
stuff happens. And then when we when we mentioned some
of the other stuff, appointing vetting White House staff stands
on gun control. One of the first big nationally recognized
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pushes in recent history, which sounds very qualified, but I
sure it is necessary. Pushes for healthcare came from spearheaded
in many ways, they're sponsored by Hillary Clinton, and it
was ultimately unsuccessful. But a lot of people talked about
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that plan when the next one, the Universal Healthcare UH Compromise,
the Obama Care as so often called by its opponents,
or the Affordable Compromise Act the a C a UM. Yeah,
the when that came out, people thought it harkened back
(15:02):
to UH in many ways, the Clinton Um, the Clinton Plan,
although it was actually based full of fun facts on
Republican Mitt Romney's original plan for Massachusetts, so it was
more of a single payer plan like uh, you seemed
to be more open and quote liberal, you know, everybody pays,
(15:26):
everybody gets healthcare kind of thing, almost attacks right, Yeah,
and this is uh, you know, there we could do
a whole episode this healthcare thing. But let's point out
we've we've given just the bare bones facts. We haven't
delved into anything, and we haven't really said anything controversial yet.
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This is this is just stuff. Yeah but wait, uh no,
is it true that some people say there's more to
this story? Story? Oh, Ben, you know there's more. But
first we have the cliffhang with a sponsor break. Here's
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where it gets crazy. So first things first, gentleman, let's
focus on Hillary Clinton pre running for president. Right, that
sounds like a good idea. And for this, let's jump
all the way back to good old nineteen seven and nine.
That's something that was occurring that would later known later
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be known as the white Water Scandal. Now, in nineteen
seventy nine, the Clintons are living in Arkansas and they
decide to take out a twenty thousand dollar loan in
order to make a down payment on another loan of
roughly two hundred thousand dollars with a couple of people
on a land venture. They're gonna buy a bunch of
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land and this is land that's in the Ozarks that
it's a huge purchase of one point four million dollars
for this giant tract of land, and then the Clintons
are going to get a part of it right as
a couple. And the plan was to flip it. Right. Yeah,
you buy this land and we're gonna sell it to
a bunch of Yankees who are gonna come in and
they call them what it like, winter birds. I forget
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what they call it with the terminology snowbirds. Yes, and
flip the this land in the Ozarks that's by river.
They're gonna love it. We're gonna make so much money.
So that's V. Nine. Then you jump forward. Oh, by
the way, we shouldn't we should note here, Um, around
this time, Bill Clinton is running for governor in Arkansas.
Hillary Clinton is working at a was it Rose? Is
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that what it's called, the law firm, the law firm,
Rose Law Firm. It's it's very prestigious in this area.
And they're not making a ton of money. I've been
I think when we looked at it, it it was around
fifty thousand dollars together some that something like that combined income. Sure.
At the time, Bill Clinton was working as the a G.
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The Attorney general in Arkansas, so his salary in the
late seventies was about twenty six thousand, five hundred dollars.
If his campaign for governors succeeded, he would, uh, he
would get around a ten thousand dollar bumped at thirty
five grands. Hillary clintons salary at the time was twenty
four thousand, twenty four thousand, five hundred and that's fifty
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one thousand, one hundred seventy three dollars in ninety eight dollars,
So not bad. No, infe dollars, that would be a
hundred and eighty six thousand, So not hurting for money
by any means, not hurting for money. But regardless, they
took on a twenty thousand dollar loan to take on
another two dollar loan, and they didn't do it alone.
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They didn't get the loan alone. Correct. They had two partners,
Jim and Susan McDougall. Oh the McDougall's, yes. Uh So
with these four people were complete owners of a thing
called called the White Water Development Corporation. They all had
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equal shares and their sales pitch was one weekend here
and you'll never want to live anywhere else. It's so
funny because for a long time there was no property
on the land that they owned there. They just said, well,
here's the property. You know, imagine, imagine living here on
this property. But Hillary took out a loan in her
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own name for thirty grand or so, and they decided
to build like a speck house, like an example of
what it would look like, so you could really envision
your dreams living here, like the model home from arrested Development,
precisely like this. What was the name of that development,
Sudden Valley. Yes, that's a good name. So, uh, the
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allegations here that started start piling up. A spoiler alert everyone.
The white Water Development Corporation did not do well, no
at all all. It tumbled and it fell. Uh. And
part of the reason this happened was because towards the
end of nineteen, interest rates has spiked to nearly twenty percent,
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so people who would have bought a vacation home decided
not to do it. As Matt said, Jim asked the
Clinton family for more uh more cash to pay interest
on the loan. The Clinton's uh later this importance said
they had no knowledge how this was used. Um. Eventually,
Jim decides to go into banking and he gets the
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Bank of Kingston in nineteen eighty in a place called
Woodruf Savings, Loan and eight two, he renames them Madison
Bank and Trust Madison Guarantee Savings and Loan. Uh. And
then starts the money starts getting sticky, right because he
uh he holds a fundraiser at Madison Guaranteed to pay
off Clinton's Night four campaign debt of fifty grand. Uh.
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Some of that's in McDougald money, some of it's a
mad u some money. Uh. Then he starts getting embroiled
with um what arguably would be nepotistic interest or corruption.
So in eighty six federal regulators realized that the but
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some of his activities seemed pretty sketchy. So in eight
five he had started a construction project called Castle Grande.
But the regulators and eighty six thought that was a sham,
just the way to move some money. Uh. So Grande
earned two million in commission and fees from McDougal's business buddies,
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as well as some legal fees for Rose Law firm.
But it collapsed in eighty nine and cost the government
four million dollars. Uh. This triggered the collapse of the
Madison Guarantee Federal regulators had to take over, and the
failure of this is estimated of Madison guarantee estimated to
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cost the US seventy three million dollars. So people will
say that the Clintons had knowledge of this and participated
knowingly in a financial conspiracy. Yeah, that's the That's what
the opponents will say. Are the people who believe in
this theory. Well, they'll also point to this as evidence
of pay to play with both of the Clintons, because
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right after all this stuff started going down in nine uh,
Bill Clinton was elected the governor and then McDougall, Mr
McDougal was brought on into the state government as an
economic development aid. Jim good Old, Jim McDougal, Yeah, was
brought on like into the into Bill Clinton's government. Let's
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talk a little bit more about this idea of pay
to play, because that's been something that's been coming up
a lot in terms of potential conflicts of interest that
have revealed themselves us through some of the leaked emails,
the wiki leak emails. What what's just what's a kind
of base level description of what pay to play means
in this context as applied here and maybe even to
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what's been going on with like the Clinton Foundation. Well,
I've got a quote here. This quote comes from Steven Sanders,
who was in nineteen seventy nine a director of Citizens
Bank and Trust. I'm assuming somewhere in Arkansas, possibly near
the Ozarks, I'm not sure, but he says, quote, you
do things for a guy and you get him indebted
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to a degree at least you get access. So ultimately,
ultimately what it means is paying a little bit of money,
either in a donation, say to a foundation, or to
a campaign, or in this case to a land deal
a loan for a land deal, and then you get
a favor, you get appointed to a position. You you know,
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you get preferable treatment in some other deal of some sort.
That's the whole idea, even if it's just access of
being in the same room, just being in the room,
just having an audience. That's what I thought. So while
this stuff all all starts happening in the late seventies eighties,
it really comes to a head in the national media.
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A lot of people don't know about this, and frankly
a lot of people too now when they feel like
they have to spend more than five minutes learning something.
So when you hear you know, um, political figures in
Arkansas implicated in UH, financial dealings, land swaps and even
cattle futures come to play a role. So a lot
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of people, a lot of people, this just sort of
wooshed over their heads until two when a New York
Times reporter asked Bill Clinton about the failure of the
Whitewater Development Corporation. And then they report it. And when
it's in the Times, a paper of note, people take
what note exactly nailed it? And so in nine a
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fellow named Kenneth Starr was appointed by a three judge
panel to continue this Whitewater investigation. UH, and he was
he was replacing a guy named Robert Fisk. Robert Fisk
had been appointed by the Attorney General. H too had
this Whitewater investigation to see what was um, what was
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going on with those transactions? Were they legal right to see?
And there were allegations too big allegations surface. One that
Bill Clinton pressured businessman in Arkansas named David Hale to
make a loan that would benefit Clinton and the owners
of Madison Guarantee the McDougal's, and two that in Arkansas
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Bank had concealed transactions involving uh the Clinton campaign in
n So the president actually got subpoena in May of
ninety four, but in in August ninety four, when they
bring Kenneth Starr on, they do it to replace Fisk
because Fisk had originally been chosen an appointed by Janet Reno,
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and Janet Reno was an attorney general working for Clinton.
So you know, you can see how that would that
would be a pretty solid conflict a ventures at least
potential for that. So here's what David Hale said. He said,
while Clinton was governor of Arkansas, he was pushing David
Hale to make an illegal three hundred thousand dollar loan
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to Susan McDougal, who was one of the partners in
that Whitewater deal. What happened was that the testimony started
not to not to work out, and and the FBI
noted that um, his original testimony apparently, according to them,
did not include Bill Clinton at all. So Clinton said,
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you know, I never asked this guy to do this thing.
At that point, Hale had already pled guilty to felonies UM,
and they said, well, you know, things will go easier
for you if you testify against Bill Clinton. So this
drags on. It's like six years ongoing, all told, and
it expands. Jennis Starr expands it into other things that
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are um not really related, unethical still but not really related,
like the Monica Lewinsky stuff, and this uh this entire time,
though Hillary Clinton is also being is also one of
the people of interest in here. Eventually, Jim and Susan
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McDougall were convicted on several different charges. One that Susan
McDougall got was for contempt of court because she refused
to answer some questions. When Bill Clinton left there his
final days in the presidency, he pardoned Susan McDougal UH
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and James McDougal at are agreeing to cooperate with Ken's Starr.
He died in prison, allegedly at the hands of some
unknown Clinton henchman within the prison. H that's that's a
theory put forth by several people. One one caller to
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Rush Limbaugh at the time said, quote, chalk up another
body to Clinton. Well that seems legit. Well, I mean,
there are multiple people. It wasn't. This is just right.
So a guy named Vincent Foster is working as a
Deputy White House Council when he's found dead in Virginia's
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Fort Macy Park in July nine. His death was officially
ruled as suicide. But uh, there's an attorney named Miguelardriguez
who was uh the head investigator for Kenn Starr at
the time. He disagreed. Instead, he alleged Vince Foster was
clearly a victim of murder and authorities Star included had
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suppressed evidence of a second gunshot wound through Foster's neck.
To a lot of people who believe that Vince Foster
was murdered, they don't think he was only indirectly murdered
by the Clintons, but also just one of many alleged victims.
So despite multiple investigations concerning the white Water scandal and
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related things that can start um shop for in his report,
the Clintons themselves were never prosecuted, no jail time, no finds,
no um, no need to I guess publicly apologize if
they did anything wrong, or I think just said that
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the system checked into it and the system found no crime.
But this leads to something else, And if you want
to learn more about this specific case of Vincent Foster,
a lot of the details. You can find an FB
inside the FBI vault, there is a huge, huge list
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of documents where their official statements, findings, evidence, all that
kind of stuff. Um. If that that's if you want
to see the official side, if you want to continue
on down that rabbit hole. UM more on the conspiratorial side,
you can look up the Strange death of Vincent Foster
Colan and investigation. That's by Christopher Rudy or I think
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it's Rudy and he has been right. He wrote about
this then he's continued to look into it since then.
It's a fascinating story. It's got lots of intrigue, and
I would say, you know, uh, go for it if
you want to investigate more. Right, So that sounds like
the accusation here is that not one but two people
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were somehow killed because they crossed the uh the Clinton
um administration, at least for the people who believe that, however,
or that's just the beginning of a rabbit hole. Yeah,
did we already did? We mentioned that Vince Foster was
allegedly having an affair with Hillary Clinton. According to several sources,
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they had been having this ongoing affair and he knew.
He knew certain things that maybe he shouldn't have known.
That's that's least. According to Rudy, he knew too much things.
Oh yeah, and one of them was about the white
Water scandal itself and the money that they owed people,
and you know the people that owe them money. And
then I don't know, it's it gets all wrapped up.
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It's this huge, it's quite sorted. It is. It's insane.
And again, there's an entire book you read to learn
more about it. And this isn't just as we're seeing
one or two people. This is the beginning of a
rabbit hole that many of you have written to us
before about and asked us to check out, and that
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is the Clinton body count. So the idea here is
that the Clinton family and their associates have routinely been
murdering anyone who crosses their rise to power. So some
examples of this these are this is a long list,
and it's a varying um. That's the best way to say.
It's a varying likelihood. So James McDougall Mary mahoney was
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a former White House intern murdered at a Starbucks coffee
shop in Georgetown it happened just after she was to
go public with a story of sexual harassment in the
White House. Again according to the people who believe in
the Clinton body count. Then there's Vince Foster Ron Brown. Uh.
This is someone who died in a plane crash. Uh,
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and a pathologist close to the investigation allegedly reported there
was a hole in the top of his skull resembling
a gunshot wound. See Victor Razor too and Montgomery razor ed.
Willie Clinton fundraiser found deep in the woods with a
gunshot wound to the head, and nine three died on
the same day his wife playing Bill Clinton groped in
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the Oval office at the White House. The list goes on.
You can find different versions of it. Um. I pulled
up one that has fifty three people on it, which means,
if it's remotely true, that's insane. How could The first
question is how could that happen without any repercussion? You
know what I mean? Because whomever killed jfk I had
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to go to a lot of trouble to get one person.
Granted that was the president, so it's a little tougher, right.
That's like trying to snipe a final boss in a
video game. And I don't mean to be insincere, it
really is had to be a difficult thing. Within the list,
there's even a sub list of bodyguards who worked for
the Clintons. There's a whole bunch of them, five s
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like twelve bodyguards that are listed here as having died
according to this one source. Right. And so we read
some examples of this with different um different causes of death,
different ideas. And for people who don't believe in this,
they'll say, well, you know, you're just reading tea leaves.
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You have confirmation bias. People just die all the time.
But there are a lot of gunshot wounds here on
their multiple on that list, and they're grouped by purported
information they would have on specific cases, right, And these
people are known associates of the Clintons in some former fashion. Yes, yeah,
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and so we we wonder, you know, there's it's it's
no secret that at the top of at the at
the top of any hierarchy, there's going to be a
lot of corruption, A lot of dirty deeds are done,
I guess fairly expensively. I hate to break the lyrics there,
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but we had another another guy who shows up on
the list it might be familiar to longtime listeners is
a guy named Danny Casolero, an investigative reporter who slid
his wrists purportedly in the middle of his investigation. I
think after he said, Hey, if someone tells you that
(35:17):
I killed myself, don't believe it. And you know, we
also know that these kind of political murders just in
general across the globe. Without saying we found any any proof,
any solid proof on the Clinton side, we can say
that we know these kind of murders occur, like that
intelligence operative for m I six is in m MY
(35:38):
five or M I six who apparently locked himself in
a Duffel bag. Yeah, and then you know how many
times like how do how does somebody just run into polonium?
I think the Russian, the Russian faction or intelligence service
that did that clearly wanted people to know it was Russia.
(35:59):
I like to keep someone round just in case, just
to have Yeah, just for like for the table, take care,
I'll take care of the cheese dip. If you've got
the polonium. That seems reasonable. Ben, our parties are great, Matt,
can you bring fun hats? Yeah, I've got a whole
truckload of those. Okay. Uh, so we've got our fun hats,
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polonium and cheese dips sorted, which I guess means it's
time to move on to something else. The Clinton Foundation.
This was a big one too. So according to uh
several several different sources. Uh, there are allegations about the
Clinton Foundation and the phrase we mentioned earlier, pay to play.
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So a lot of folks who are opponents of the
Clinton campaign argue that there is dirty money that was
going into the Clinton Foundation during um Hillary Clintons time
has sec terry of State and that this, uh, this
money was essentially functioning as a bribe to have Clinton
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used her influence at the State Department to get a
more favorable outcome for somebody, you know, like twelve million
from the found from the King of Morocco to the foundation.
And the question is like how much how much influence
really occurred there? We do know in the past that
there have been political machines where someone says, you know, well,
(37:33):
donate to my, uh my home for elderly orphans, and
I will make sure that you get that uranium mind
that you wanted, and uh, I don't know it sounds
more to me like a meet and greet, you know,
with a rock band or your favorite singer. You know,
but didn't we just discussed that meet and greek session
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alone can be some form of influence. That's true, but
so could meeting in sync. You know, if I paid
a bunch of money to go to a meet and
greet within Sync and they just happened to, you know,
make me the fifth member of in Sync? How many
people ran in Sync? I forget? You know that I
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would be life changing for me and totally worth the investment.
But that isn't necessarily going to happen. That's not guaranteed
to happen, right, but it's potential for it to happen.
So is this kind of behavior illegal? The legality is aside.
I would just say that if you decide not to
have that meeting, not to pay the money to go
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and have the handshake, then you're guaranteed to not be
heard on whatever issue it is you're trying to push.
You gotta try, you know, everyone's got their dreams. But no, seriously, though,
I mean, this is obviously a an ethical question, but
is it illegal? Right? Yeah? And and more importantly, are
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they actually using the foundation to launder money from shady
characters or something like that. Uh. The show last week
tonight had had a great piece on some of these
implications and indictments. For instance, you know, you can read
a headline that says you can give of Morocco or
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um elderly Nazi or whatever donates money to Clinton campaign
and then they make a deal with someone else. But
depending on the way the money is distributed to a
foundation or what kind of falsett it comes out of,
the person who is behind the money may never be revealed.
You might just say, like, here's a twelve million dollar
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donation from the Committee for Research into um extraordinary remarks,
and you will have no idea that's you know, George
Soros or the Koch brothers or um who's like the
most evil person right now? Rothschild, I don't know. I
don't know the Philippines head So I guess to take
away here. And what makes a lot of people uneasy
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about Mrs Clinton is the perception that she is for
sale to the highest bidder. If you donate money, then
she'll get in a room with you, and there's potential
that she'll do you solid and use a vampire voice too,
like that of what you like from the people of Montana,
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or more like you know godfather voice where it's like,
then there's the day have my daughter is birth day, Well,
may call upon you one day to do the kind
of to me. That's that could be happening right now
as it is the day of her birthday. Or maybe
it's a bobcat gold Slate voice really or a Gilbert
(40:53):
Godfrey voice. What I could only hope, But I don't know.
I've I've ever been you know what I mean. I mean,
I guess what I'm getting at is like, no, it's
not illegal, but it's sure does call into question this
person's um integrity, integrity, Yeah, it definitely could look bad,
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you know what I mean. And this this is called yeah,
this is called in question numerous times people have people
have mentioned it in this debate m or this current
political cycle, and have mentioned it before. The Clinton Foundation, though,
is a is a powerful global entity, you know what
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I mean. So it's going to get money from a
lot of places, even Morocco. So another thing we've heard
about pretty often is the Benghazi attack in two thousand
and twelve. This would be while Hillary Clinton was still
Secretary of State. UH. There was an attack on an
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American diplomatic compound in BEng Ghazi, the Libyan Consulate UH.
It resulted in the death of the U. S Ambassador
Olibya Um, as well as some officers UH, the Depth
of Information Management Officer Sean Smith. A lot of the Libyans,
the local Libyans condemn the attacks, just thought this was disgusting.
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This got picked up UM to the tune of like
eight separate congressional investigations attempting to discern who is at fault,
and different conspiracy theories sprang up around the idea that Um,
the Secretary of State Clinton was either responsible through negligence
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or even some purposeful thing that's largely been put to
bed in the mainstream. Fox News came out and reported
on it and said that after the investigations, well, actually,
I have a quote here. Would you guys like to
hear it? Please? Oh? Right, here's the quote. The House
Committee investigating the deadly terror attack in Benghazi today released
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its report after two years seven million dollar investigation, the
eighth investigation to date. The authors of the report make
no new accusations or provide no new evidence wrongdoing against
the former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. So for many
people who are opponents of the Clinton family, they're thinking, oh,
(43:26):
they just house the cards that once more and so
now fin angle their way out of something. But for
other people, it's like, did the did political opponents just
attempt to make um a means of attack? Right? And
that's a good question whenever you are this far along
(43:47):
in the election process. And these are all things that
happened before Hillary Clinton was this bar like was even
really running uh for president time for the second time. Yeah,
So that leads us to the butt. Wait, there's more moment,
which is what happens during the election. Well, I think
we've about made it to modern day, shall we say, um,
(44:11):
with all the hubbub going on right now with this
uh two thousand and sixteen presidential election. But before we
hop into that good stuff, let's just take another quick
little sponsor break. So the allegations reached a fever pitched
(44:32):
the conspiracies on both sides, UH became more and more frequent,
and more and more I guess prominent in the national
debate when the elections UH and the campaign's actually began.
The biggest one, of course, which we have mentioned before,
is the idea that there was a rigged election. Yeah,
and the primaries first, with the d n C working
(44:54):
in like uh with the Clinton campaign to make sure
that Hillary Clinton would be the nominee and to shut
out Bernie Sanders, who was gaining more and more popularity
as they got towards the convention, especially considering the d
n C chair Debbie Wasserman Schultz um had worked with
Hillary Clinton on her previous campaign. Yes, yeah, and was
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the head of you know, the d n C. So
supposed to play fairly at all times. However, it seems
like they haven't. Um. It seems like that when the
rubber hit the road, that was not the case. And
it was strange because for a lot of people who
were supporting Bernie Sanders on the Democratic side of the debate, uh,
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they were feeling, in a way this very similar to
what some Trump supporters were probably feeling, where they thought,
you know, this was a candidate who was running not
just against the other party, but against the big wigs
and the fat cats of the establishment in their own wigs,
the fat wigs and the big cats and all the
(46:05):
fancy pants and unicorns with their unbendable pinkies and their
monocles and their uh cravats, their bubble pipes, their fancy pretzels,
nothing but the best. But yeah, we kid, but you know,
we kid, But those are all real things. Well, the
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actual people who control the system currently, yeah, aka the
political class. So they felt many of these people were
Bernie Sanders supporters felt that they were they were being
suppressed by this system that was built to um create
the illusion of choice rather than the actual agency of choice. Debbie,
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Wasson and Schultz got a lot of flak from that.
And to be honest, looking at it, this is just
my opinion. It doesn't look good. It certainly doesn't look unbiased,
you know. I mean there was a lot of internal
discussion about more or less undermining the Sanders campaign, you know,
or like bringing up um questions that would make Bernie
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Sanders look bad in terms of his religious beliefs. That
was one that got put out there. Um, and you know,
just just the general tone was not one of impartiality. Yeah.
I was saying stuff like we'll do whatever we can
to shore the Clinton presidency. And it's strange, there there's
something else here that makes me wonder. Um, you know, people.
(47:38):
People don't just allege that the d n C was
UM was corrupt. They also alleged people who support trumpers
support another candidate like Stein or Johnson or whomever, including
Donald Trump himself, alleged that the current election is rigged,
which we talked a little bit about last week. That's
(48:00):
the idea that the Trump and Clinton campaigns were actually
working together in concert, in beautiful, glorious political music making
concert with one another to guarantee Mrs Clinton's election. So
the idea that Donald Trump himself was a was running
a false flag campaign to benefit the Clinton campaign. Yeah,
(48:24):
you summon up beautifully. And we talked about this a
little bit last week. But to go uh a step
further with this, uh, there are people who will argue
that this decision over the identity of the next president
was decided back in Barack Obama's first term, when uh,
(48:44):
when Clinton was given the the Door Prize of American Politics,
which is the Secretary of State. Yeah, and essentially that
she gave up the nomination. She endorsed Barack Obama at
the UM what the d n at the National Convention
in oh I guess that was a seven o eight
(49:05):
When that was occurring, and in order to do that,
she was like told, yeah, no worries your next in line,
and that's sort of you know, we saw what we saw.
John Kerry, the UM former would be president, also gets
Secretary of State John Forbes Kerry by the way, speaking
of big wigs. Uh, but to mention his wife Teresa Hines,
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I know that sweet catchup money. I hope, I hope
what I hope at some point one of them has
said that this catchup money kind of like blood money,
but it's much sweeter. It's only for college films. Better
on hot dogs. It's way better on hot dogs. I
was thinking the same thing. So, yeah, that that allegation
(49:52):
goes up to this idea that there exists a political
class in this country. And this political class, uh, it's
far more concerned with the electoral than the popular votes right,
and is completely happy to have you, me and the
average Jane John Doe American. Uh, more concerned with soundbites
(50:19):
and political jokes are spectacle bread and circuses than to
hear what candidates actually want to do. That's why we
wanted to open both of these with recommending that you
go check out the policies both of the front runners,
especially the one you disagree with. You should know what
you're disagreeing with, unless, of course, all of those things
(50:43):
that you're reading are not the actual policy stances of
the people that are running for an office, because instead
they say those things behind closed doors to like during
a fundraiser, or because they're getting paid two hundred thousand
plus dollars to speak, right. Yeah, that goes back to
some of the leaked transcripts and stuff about the Clinton
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conversations with Wall Street. Yeah, you just gotta have a
public policy stance and a private policy stance. And in
her defense, when she said when she was somebody asked
her about that, she said it was a reference to
Abraham Lincoln's work, uh Many, reuniting the country after the
Civil War. I mean, sure, I mean it sounds noble.
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At the same time, it's just politics as usual, as
we understand. Sound noble or does it sound duplicitous? I mean,
I wasn't gonna say that, but yes, I mean I
don't know. Abraham Lincoln had a pretty noble beard, you know,
he strikes quite a noble figure, you know. But yeah,
but look at you got. It's hard to trust you
when you say stuff like that because you have an
(51:47):
amazing beard. Oh you think I'm being duplicitous. I think
it might Beard. I think you mightn't see my face.
I think you might have a conversational bias here. That's fair. Well,
you know, um no, I just I think it all
comes down to this question of, you know, whether or
not a candidate can be bought or if they are
quote unquote of the people. And you know, even Barack
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Obama not saying that he's been bought, but as much
of a populist candidate in general as he seems to
have been, sort of like a guy you'd want to
have a beer with or you know, go roller skating
with or something like that. I mean, you know, the
guy has a public face in a private face, and
he's going to make decisions as needed, and he's not
(52:32):
always necessarily trying to check off his list every single
policy promise that he made when he was running. I mean,
you say these things to get a certain demographic behind you,
and then once you get elected, it's sort of like
all bets are off. Yeah. I was gonna ask, like,
how much of this election stuff is pillow talk? You know,
it's like baby, Yeah, I love you, I love you, America,
(52:53):
come here. It seems like that's what most of it is.
And maybe it's always been this way. It's just now
again because of the Internet and because of the advancements
in technology, we kind of no better, at least more
of us no better. Yeah, one would, one would hope.
But there's all right. And that's the big argument that
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people are making about supporting Trump is that he represents
moving away from that, you know, where it's like, no,
he says what he thinks, he's he's not full of it.
You know, he is going to do what he thinks
his best. Whether or not you believe that what he
thinks is best is in fact a good thing or
not is entirely different story. Kind of what you see
is what you get up what he sees what you get.
(53:36):
There are people that are tired of this political you know,
jockeying and uh, just pillow talk, as you say. But
I think that's completely accurate, and it's a little bit frustrating,
and I think that's why a lot of people are
are very dis enchanted with the whole process and feel
very hopeless about it. It may also be why a
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little over fifty of the voters in this country in
two thousand twelve actually cast a vote for the presidency.
Only a little over half actually voted people who could vote.
And you guys know, I'm pretty cynical about this stuff
often because people are gonna show up once every four
(54:17):
years to cast one vote and then say, well, I've
done my done my bit. Now I'm purchasing my right
to complain for the next four years. Here's a great example.
I don't want to let this go by and miss
this opportunity. Here's a great example maybe of public face
and private face to take knowals earlier earlier mentioned of
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Barack Obama, who, by the if you're listening to this
the day it comes out, is still president for a
little while. Um So when when originally that that candidate
was campaigning and we're promising the sun, moon and stars,
you know, to everybody, U better position for student loans
(55:01):
which are already burgeoning crisis, uh, better assistance for the
average family, and then closing Guantanamo Bay, ending some of
the horrific uh quagmire events in the Middle East. But
then later you know, it didn't close Guantanamo. He's gonna try, yes,
(55:22):
but he also he also helped invade Libya and and
told the domestic population of the United States that this
was to protect our interest and a matter of human rights.
It is confirmed by current leaks leaked documents from Wiki leaks,
primarily that the real reason the West invaded Libya is
(55:47):
because France wanted to keep the frank that has used
as currency in that part of the world as the
dominant currency. Moll Mar Gadaffi, with great reserves of gold,
wanted to unite the continent of Africa into a you know,
United UH, United African Union and and AU to the
(56:08):
EU and then have a common currency there which would
empower a lot of these countries that have been systematically
impressed since colonialism UH, so that their resources can be
extracted and enable the lifestyles of the of the people
who were born into these gigantic companies that would take
(56:32):
over countries back in the day. And once you get
to that level, ben and you realize that that's what's
at stake. These kinds of things are what it's what's
at stake. It makes me at least imagine that the
president is not making the decisions, these decisions alone, that
the president is not um maybe even as oh God, personally,
(56:55):
when I think about these things, then it makes me
see at least a bit of a glinn at something
that I've thought for a while, and that's that the president,
whoever it is him or herself, is not as powerful
as maybe we would like to believe. It's the humans
that are that surround the president that actually are the
(57:15):
powerhouse in making these decisions, making these deals, deciding that
we are going to go to war, or at least
speaking to the president's ear and saying we need to
do this, we need to get this done because of X,
Y and Z. What ends up happening is the president
becomes this figurehead that we hang many people hang all
of our hopes and fears, you know, and outrage on
(57:39):
when things don't go as planned, when things are going
well at a boy at a gal president, but when
things are crumbling, it's all about the president, and the
president that's the person that's out there in public that
you can literally make the brunt of your frustrations. And
you know, I mean there's something to be said about
(58:01):
that as a sort of opiate effect of you know,
on the masses, where you have this kind of targeted
individual that people are able to praise or curse. Man,
it sort of takes the um focus off of the
machinations that are really work. I think that's a great
point because when it goes to machinations that are really
(58:22):
at work, if we're talking, if we take it back
to that private public audience, Barack Obama's public audience was
the American people into a lesser degree. Uh, citizens of
other countries to whom the US plays an instrumental role,
like Canadians, right and uh. The private audience, however, was out.
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It was It was out in France. Lawmakers in France
and NATO saying, look, guys, the frank is really big
to us, and we're buddies. Right well yeah, and OPEC,
all of OPEC going, hey, you know we uh we
atually needs you to keep that money because we we're
backing all the oil with these currencies. So yeah, we're
(59:05):
gonna need you to do something. In America, I can't
speak to any opaque involvement. I just know that France
was definitely France, definitely, but it's I mean, okay, let's
just say they are monetarily involved even if they had
no say, I see what his decisions and so sorry
we're getting I got us a little bit off track here,
but you make a great point. So private public face
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email scandal that has been existing for a long time,
still not prosecuted. Hillary Clinton used a private email server
based in the basement of her home that used to
be uh part of her husband's home office to hold
thousands of official pieces of electronic correspondence. Why is this
a big deal? Why does it matter? Great question? Well,
(59:49):
it's because if you're Secretary of State, you're going to
deal with quite a lot of classified material. It could
be anything from just confidential all the way up to
top secret all the way to some weird classification that
I don't know of because I'm not the Secretary of State,
nobody knows about it. And doing this was not without precedent,
let's put out there. Colin Powell did this as well,
(01:00:10):
and discouraged Mrs Clinton from doing it because of the
potential for conflict of interest. He knew that it would
be a headache, right, He probably almost wished he hadn't
done it in the first place. Like that old Hank
Williams song, I've been down that road before, Hank Williams, Sr.
I don't know. I just I was listening to it earlier.
(01:00:32):
Good stuff, So wise it's a wise man. Thanks I did.
I didn't know I would work that hard to squeeze
that one into conversation. But here we are, folks, here
we are. UH. An FBI investigation into these private servers
and some of the allegations missing emails found that over
one hundred of the emails they surveyed contained confidential, secret
(01:00:53):
or even top secret data. In the course of their investigation,
they concluded that the Clinton campaign had been or excuse me,
the Clinton administration secretarycy had been extremely careless, but that
it was not a prosecutable offense. A lot of people
(01:01:14):
who think this was a shady or sketchy thing point
out that just a week before FBI Director James Comey
announced that the bureau would not file charges against Hillary
Clinton for storing that stuff on a private server, Attorney
General Loretta Lynch had a private meeting with Bill Clinton
on her jet in Phoenix. It was an unplanned meeting, allegedly,
(01:01:38):
and they just talked about grandchildren and golf. Yeah, it
just happened to be coincidental that the two of them
met up as the scandal was unfolding well. Of course,
The New York Post reported that FBI agents believed there
was an inside deal afoot. Um this, Uh, this sounds
(01:01:58):
like another another case of you know what looks bad?
It really does, and what can you do about it?
It's very tough for us. Former president goes onto a plane. Yeah,
they can't meet in a restaurant, come on, or maybe
security is better on a private plane. See, that's all
it is. They just wanted to say hey on the
(01:02:20):
plane because of security. And then um, John Podesta, campaign
manager for Clinton campaign, gets his emails hacked, and you're
getting a look at a lot of a lot of
the way that the organization works. Um, wiki leaks release these,
and wiki Leaks is releasing them and dribs and drabs
(01:02:41):
and bursts. The idea being if they release them all
at once, the mainstream media will suppress the story. But
if they release them in small burst, people will go
hooked and continue to tune in. At this point, Uh,
there is no d O J or FBI um proceedings
against the Clinton family, and uh, either she or Donald Trump,
(01:03:06):
unless something incredibly strange happens, are going to be uh
President's presidents of the United States. And it looks like
we're running almost out of time. We've gone on for
a while. But if you guys would like, I could
just read a list of some of the miscellaneous conspiracies
that we didn't get to. You got a whole list.
I have a whole list. So there's a lot of
(01:03:27):
stuff that alleges, you know, adult times shenanigan rey, like
illegitimate children or different fathers. Is also a it's also
a theory about body doubles. We covered in another thing. Um.
There's also this theory that when Bill Clinton was governor,
the Clinton's uh covered up a multimillion dollar cocaine smuggling
(01:03:48):
ring based in Mina, Arkansas. Yeah, and Reverend Jerry Folwell
distributed thing about it called the Clinton Chronicles. Oh my gosh,
I know, it's all over the place. And I remember
one of the last ones been is that she's actually
a Republican, that that Hillary Clinton is in fact a
Republican in in Democrat clothing. She's a Dino Democrat in
(01:04:14):
name only. Yeah, and uh, we know that we didn't
get to everything for either Donald Trump or for Hillary Clinton,
but we'd like to hear some of your thoughts. Apparently
she's also a demon demon Alex Jones both lizard people.
Alex Jones said that, yeah, he doesn't say that. He
says she's not David. She smells use far. Well, maybe
(01:04:39):
I will have to check out his show one day
in the meantime, what do you think? Oh? One of
the other conspiracies that we didn't really mention is that,
of course the Clinton campaign supporters believe wholeheartedly that almost
all of these are trumped up accusations. Maybe that's a
(01:05:00):
poor choice of words, from trickle down accusations, yeah, Trump
to up accusations, Uh, meant to just discredit somebody. So
that's also something in the mix. Whether you support or
opposed Hillary Clinton, whether you support or opposed Donald Trump,
whether you decided you know what, I'm not gonna buy
into this false diychotomy. I'm going to vote for whatever
(01:05:22):
candidate I actually believe in, even if they don't have
it Snowball's chance and death Valley. But most importantly, y'all
happy Halloween, because that's what really matters. Okay, So if
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