August 15, 2025 • 42 mins
More than six years after the disgraced financier and sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein died in prison, unanswered questions remain. Who else was involved? Is there a list of known accomplices who participated in the abuse of children? In the first part of this two-part series, the gang investigates the disturbing, lingering questions surrounding the ongoing Epstein scandal -- as well as new revelations that only recently came to light.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
they don't want you to know. Heads up, fellow conspiracy
realist friends and neighbors, this one might not be for
all the conspiracy kiddos. This episode may contain, at times
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graphic depictions of abuse. Well, that's right, we are returning
to one of the most well known trafficking cases in
recent Western history. We're recording on Monday, August eleventh, twenty
twenty five. Actually it's six years almost to the day
of Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, yes, it is in a lot has been happening
in the news. Oh, it's a big deal. It's also
probably don't worry about it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well even well, that's the crazy thing. So many people
are talking about this still. And if you've looked on
your social media feeds, you have likely seen if you're
listening to this show, at least you have seen that
people won't stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
A bit of a right hot topic.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, exactly six years on and this won't go away.
It's quite the opposite, right, Instead of fading into the
background or becoming something on niche internet forums, questions about conspiracy,
corruption and cover ups related to Epstein's financial activities and
the sexual abuse ring continue. And like you were saying, no,
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if anything, there's a resurgence in public concern due to
recent still unfolding events. So what exactly is going on?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Folks?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Please keep in mind that several things are in flux
at the moment we're recording this. New information is emerging
seemingly every few days. So we're going to explore what's
out there now, what is suspected to come to light
in the future, And of course we have to also
acknowledge we may have to do yet another update, depending
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on which way the courts and the prison systems go.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, that is a sure thing. I think there's gonna
be another Maxwell episode for sure, and probably another Epstein episode.
It's especially intense right now because a lot of the
people who voted for the current president wanted to know
answers to this stuff, and that organization, that group of
people said hey, we'll get you answers. And the answers
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that are coming back don't feel very right.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
At the very least, they're underwhelming.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And we'll get to all that and more. But first
we'll take a word from our sponsors and we'll give
a quick recap. For anybody who's saying, huh Epstein, Epstein, Epste,
the name sounds familiar. Here are the facts, all right.
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We have a full deep dive series into the early
life and career of Jeffrey Edward Epstein. From now, maybe
we just do a quick recap before we get into
the latest events.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He's just a guy that had a really powerful father
in lawhelps.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, he's born on January the thirtieth of nineteen fifty three.
Epstein taught at the Dalton School before the very prestigious
Dalton School. Before leaving in nineteen seventy six, he was
in fact dismissed. I don't know if we have any
details around that, but he went to work in finance
first with the very prominent banking concern bearst yarns or
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brokerage concern. I guess before creating his very own company.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
His rolodex included titans of industry, politicians of every imaginable stripe, celebrities, athletes,
royalty of course. And one of the reasons these folks
would say he was so popular with him is because
he had an expertise. Like you all, how you were saying,
he set up his own company. His company specialized in
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what we'll call tax avoidance, a legal gray area. He
would review the financials of these high powered clients who
would find ways to save the money, and his payment
would be like his viig, his commission would be a
percentage of those tax savings. Now, there are a lot
of questions about that, even before he was disgraced, because,
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as history in the courts would later prove, at least
some portion of his high powered clients were not just
using him as a financial advisor. He was also the
leader of an intensely sophisticated international sexual abuse ring targeting
young women and children, and with the knowing participation of
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at least some of his powerful associates, that is simply factual.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I was about to say, this is one of the
rare cases where we can say this is without conjecture.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
These are confirmed facts.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Absolutely. Just to get back to why is the sky
popular with rich and powerful people. He has the kind
of money that rich and powerful people wish they had.
He has the kind of money that you can buy
one of the Virgin islands, you can buy little Saint
James Island. This dude is an island owner. He's got
that kind of money, right, So he can help you
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save money, invest money, prevent those taxes, all that stuff.
He can maybe help you do that and maybe one
day you could be an island owner.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Would be nice.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, And at least that's a good point. At least
some cases his clients had aspirational relationships. His finances were
always tremendously opaque, as were the finances of his longtime
partner and accomplice, Glinn Maxwell, who is herself currently convicted
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and incarcerated, although authorities recently relocated her to a different facility,
which we'll get to in a moment. So if we
look at the criminal side, the revelations long coming about
this sexual abuse ring, will see that it had been
an open secret in certain parts of society and perhaps
in certain parts of law enforcement for decades. Police did
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initially investigate Epstein in two thousand and five. This led
to a extremely shady conviction in Florida. In two thousand
and eight, he's convicted of We talked about this in
our previous episodes. He's convicted of two charges procuring a
child for prostitution quote and solicitation quote. So he gets
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this plea deal that has him serving less than thirteen
months in quote unquote custody. And there's a reason we're
saying custody and quotes there, because he was barely ain.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
In gen Pop.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
No, he's barely in the jail. He goes to his
nearby personal office on a routine basis constantly. And the
people who helped engineer this plea deal later have some
really really great things happen to them politically and in
their careers. Is not in gem pop. Sentence concludes. He
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goes on his way until July sixth, twenty nineteen, he
is again arrested, this time on federal charges for sex
trafficking in both Florida and New York. We've got more
of the details on that. Again, this is just the
recap because less than a month later, August tenth of
that year and a day ago today, as we record,
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Epstein dies in his jail cell. The official cause of
death remained suicide by hanging. But then and now we
your faithful correspondents and millions of others had serious questions
about that ruling. I don't think there were crazy questions either.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, let's talk a little more about the special treatment
that he got, because we noticed over all these episodes
we've been making that this dude got special treatment, whether
it's from the courts or just hanging out in the
prison when he was incarcerated. Even this last time, when
he was hanging out at the place where he was
the Metropolitan Correctional Center, in the special housing unit, he
was allowed to do things like take a cell phone
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and make a call that is not monitored from the showers,
and he was allowed to do this by the corrections
officers there.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And he'd been in his prison wallet or anything.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
No, but that's the kind of thing that is highly questionable,
kind of thing probably shouldn't be allowed to happen, period.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And it's like one of the things too, where the
conversation around that there was very little conversation, at least
from officials as to this being considered special treatment at all,
Like it's just odd, and it's stuff like this that
I think makes all of us sort of call into
question the nature of justice and the quote unquote justice
system and how it is absolutely not a level playing field.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, absolutely, and special treatment is something that's going to
come up again and again in these updates because as
we're recording now, Maxwell Galaine, Maxwell not Robert Backtwell, so
what we call foreshadowing, was convicted on five of six
counts against her in court, and she was convicted in
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December twenty twenty one. There's an upcoming second criminal trial
for two other charges of lying under oath. Because as
we know, with a lot of conspiracies, it's not the
original conspiracy that sometimes trips people up. It's the cover
up of that conspiracy, you know, capone and tax fraud,
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and we.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Certainly know Maxwell did and was party two horrible things.
But there's a part of it, I think all of
us that maybe looks at her as a bit of a.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Fall guy, and as terrible as it is to admit,
stories like these can often disappear from the news. The
legal proceedings continue as lawyers and the courts go back
and forth, but public interest, you know, is always mercurial.
The twenty four hour news cycle is relentless, so unfortunately
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a lot of things get forgotten. But there's something, guys,
there's something about the Epstein scandal that gave it serious
staining power. Part of it is the inarguable innocence of
the victims, the nature of the crimes, and another part
of it is Epstein and his associates were some of
the most powerful people on the planet.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, yeah, I remember specifically when it came up that
potent actually British Royalty was hanging out with Epstein on
the island, spending time there with him and with the
other people who went to that island, and hearing about
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and going out there. I mean,
these are intensely powerful people, and just the questions about
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why on earth they would be there, and you just
want to know more when you hear something like that, right,
like why are they there? Was it just business dealings?
Like why are they there?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And like when everyone's there, it stops even being like
mudslinging material at a certain point, which I think speaks
to the whole hush hush ness of it all, and
people not using it as political capital as much as
you might think they would.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Public interest absolutely did not erode, it didn't go away.
Weirdly enough, a typically divided public, especially the United States,
seemed to finally agree on something, even if it was
only this one thing. The Epstein scandal was, in everyone's opinion,
becoming a cover Upjournalists have been investigating the case for years,
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even as Uncle Sam, through various institutions, claimed over and
over again the story is done. The official conclusion is true.
Epstein took his own life in prison. There's no such
thing as an Epstein client list, meaning there's no secret
list of associates who provably participated in child sexual abuse
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with Epstein's assistance. The public isn't buying it, and we
can count ourselves among the public here. I think call
us biased if you must, but there's good reason to
be suspicious. And there's this huge discrepancy between what institutions
and the powerful and the public are saying, and it's
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never been more starked. Even multiple presidents of the United
States of America, the current one included, are not a
mute concern over the unfolding Epstein scandal has already caused
serious fractures in the once monolithic MAGA voting base. What
do you say, guys, Should we get into the updates?
Should we see what new information has come to light?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Oh yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Okay, I'm glad that wasn't a hard No, I'm glad
no one got to any of us.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, don't look over here. It's likely they opened the
door just for a second, you know, just a couple
of inches, and you saw a blazing fire in there,
and there's smoke billowing out of that tiny little crack
in the door, and there's a.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Dog sitting at a table saying this is fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well yeah, but then they slammed the door shut. They're like, no, no, no, no, no,
everything's fine, everything's fine. Don't look in there. Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I see it as I see it as the allure
of a door marked private or employees only, with the
worst stuff behind it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And there's like blasting music coming from behind that door.
You're like, what's going on in there?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And and now you know, you say, hey, what's behind
the door, and they're saying, there's not a door there.
This is so Orwellian. We're gonna pause for a word
from our sponsors, and then let's dive in. Here's where
it gets crazy. What new information has come to light
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A lot, actually, so much so that we probably can't
get to all of it, so much stuff that we're
not just seeing a rash of new information emerging, we
are also seeing a pattern emerging, a meta like a
meta pattern. There's an escalation in the pattern of reporting.
It's almost certain that more will come to light after
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we record. In fact, we've been researching this up to
the minute, and we're going to check for more developments.
We're going to check live for more developments before we
wrap this episode. And here's the thing. At every single turn,
these developments add more fire to public skepticism, conspiratorial conjecture,
and honestly, they make the motivations of the government and
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the powerful seem more and more suspicious. Because so much
of all right right now, folks, depay on where you
are in the world right now. A ton of the
current Epstein coverage is focusing on accusations that the current potus,
Donald J. Trump, may have participated to some degree or
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another in financial and or sexual crimes with Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, yes, I don't know where you guys are
seeing this on the news, but it's all over social media.
Like Matt said earlier, it's over a lot of news
networks even now, and people are beat me here, Deli.
People are talking about it across the Pacific Ocean. It's
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one of the main things getting reported about Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, Well, you've got a sitting president who says public
statements on a plane about how this guy that everyone
is talking about and everyone is concerned with and still
feeling some type of way about. You have the president
saying things about him and about a direct connection to
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his place of business, right well.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To saying that he's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, but also saying that, yeah, this guy was taking
people directly out of.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
My spa, right And yes is the term I believe
he used.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes, Yes, I mean, how is that not going to
be a major deal that needs to be addressed fully
and publicly.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I'm sure we'll get to it in a bit too.
But every time he opens his mouth about this stuff,
he sort of skews the timeline not in his favor.
Because he had a public sort of falling out that
was acknowledged and documented, and then this most recent statement
about the SPA situation didn't align with that original statement
about the falling out.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, there's a lot of stark contradiction and easily disproving
falsehoods in these statements or you know what, you could
call him misstatements if you want, or you can say
certain things, yeah, maybe certain things, or take it out
of context. But the simple word for that is lie.
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The simple phrase is lie in your ass off. That's
a technical phrase.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But and it's funny how all of this goes back
to what the hell happened to Jeff free Epstein in
that cell on that day?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
It all goes back to did he actually take his
own life? Or did somebody go in there and take
his life?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I hear you. I think that's a pivotal moment. But
I feel like a lot of the Trump stuff is
what they were doing before then. But we do have
to get to the cell.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Don't you see those things as connected? Guys, at least
in the public zeitgeist of like, well, if he didn't
take his life and this sitting president actually was in
some way deeply connected more so than we are aware of,
then wouldn't that call into question what occurred, especially because
it happened under Donald Trump's first term.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, that's your wood me'ure would well.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Then, Also, the question is what would happen to the
dead man's switch that we mentioned earlier, which we'll have
to get to with Glaine as well, what other powerful
people were involved, because the current president of the United
States is first just one of the presidents who's been
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you know, alleged to have participated in the abuse ring,
and also a lot of other powerful people that were
alleged to have participated whose names we don't really know,
because a lot of powerful people move in silence, right,
and privacy is one of the biggest parts of their fortune.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Absolutely, there are so many powerful people that may want
to stop Jeffrey Epstein from being able to talk right,
which is one of the biggest things. Are a lot of
people that might want to do that. The reason why
I think Donald Trump is so important in all of
that is because he and his administration they have all
the people with the power, with the access to all
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the stuff to be able to prove absolutely, okay, this
man killed himself in his cell, right, and they made
a big deal about it the administration, they made a
huge deal about proving it to the public, to everybody
that this man fully took his own life and that
is absolutely the end of the story. But in their
attempts to do that, we get things like this official
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raw videotape.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Ah. Yes, yes. In July of this year, twenty twenty five,
the DOJ that's the Department of Justice here in the States,
and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that's the FBI released
what the DOJ said is the full raw surveillance footage
on the only functioning camera near Epstein's cell the night
before he was found dead. This came about as part
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of the the presidential administration's earlier campaign commitment when they said, look,
during the second Trump campaign, we're going to fully investigate
this death. We're going to determine whether it was actually suicide,
and we're going to put to bed any ongoing conspiratorial
speculation that he may have been murdered or somehow forced
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to take his own life. But here's the thing, oh,
friends and neighbors, it turns out that video was neither
raw nor was it full. And just to be clear,
this is it's never been a matter of video footage
pointing into the cell. It's a static shot of the
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wholeway near or outside of the cell. And they did
share these files, but they I guess they didn't think
anybody else knew about metadata.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well yeah, well, let let's talk about the placement of
the camera first of all, because I think this is
massively important. There's a central common area in this thing
called the special Housing unit where Jeffrey Epstein was. There
are three wings attached to this common area, and there
are three sets of stairs that each lead up to
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a group of eight cells and down to a group
of eight cells, and Jeffrey Epstein was located in the
closest to the right, in one of those upper cell blocks,
so the upstairs ones. The camera angle that we have
is around the corner, obscured by a wall, and you
can see a tiny, tiny sliver We're talking several pixels
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worth of the staircase on one side, and that's what
we get to see. So everything we're about to talk
about is everything that occurs in the central area, the
common area there, and then a sliver of the staircase.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So already not in the best angle for like picking
up a potential escape route for an individal jewel who
would have, you know, an assassin or whatever you want
to call.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, it's real, better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And to add to that, there's a camera on the
opposite wall of that common area that if it was
on and recording and we had that tape, you could
see the entrance to the facility, because right now you
can't even see the entrance to the freaking cell block area.
And you and if you had that camera, you would
be able to see the staircase almost in full, and
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you'd be able to see the door to the cell
where Epstein was. So like the fact that that camera
wasn't recording. And there are also cameras at the end
of each wing on both levels, and none of those
cameras we don't have any of the footage from those
cameras either.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Right, and the one we do have that was already
kind of whack in its placement. It's not the full
and unedited as you mentioned, which we will get to.
The metadata point is.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Crucial, Matt. All of it is crucial because it's just
it is soh suspect from the jump.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Right even to the placement of Epstein in a particular
cell versus another one.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Look.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Journalist and analysts are all over these files, and there
was some great reporting and wired about this that everyone
should check out. Journalists were contacted by some video analysts
who were already deep in the Epstein world who had
done their own research on this stuff. And you can
see this video file, or you could when they originally
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released it on official government websites. The metadata revealed that
something was missing. At first, it looked like a single
minute of tape, and we reported on that in a
strange news program. Now it looks like nearly three minutes
are gone from the tape overall. Because the video was
stitched together in Adobe Premiere Pro from two separate video files.
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It was saved multiple times. I remember texting you guys
about this on our group chat. How Like, anybody who
knows about editing knows that the file Dave was probably
like something like Epstein final Dash four Dash two Dash
final Dash final one dash this one.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And it has the feel and vibe of the kind
of thing that was turned around last minute.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, it feels a bit amateurist, does it not. It
was exported, it was uploaded doj website the source clips
stitched together. Do you have some overlap. One of the
source clips is about two minutes and fifty three seconds
longer than the segment included in the final video, which
indicates the footage appears to have been trimmed before release.
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And remember when we talked, we talked about the original
missing minute story. I definitely wanted us to take pain
to point out that Attorney General the AG Pam Bondi
was attributing what she called a missing minute to a
nightly system reset. And we had I think an invigorating
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conversation about legacy technology and how odd it is that
a system would reset and miss a minute in a
world where you know, the average civilian, without spending too
much money, can just get alarm system that is always
on and sends live video to your phone. You know,
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I think that all hit us, as our pouse Chuck
would say, as something hinky.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It all smells of controlled information and plausible deniability to me,
because ultimately the Department of Corrections has that tape, right,
the people who run that facility. Then let's say the
Department of Justice and the FBI come to them to
get that stuff from them. Now they only know what
the Department of Corrections know and shows them right, and
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then those departments go back and they talk to you know,
the the administration and the people who are actually talking
about this, like Pambondi, And it feels as though something
is being protected at the lowest level so that people
above don't have to know exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I would agree with that, Yeah, because our next question
is could it be that Bondie and her team were
simply mistaken kind of a fog of war developing events situation,
or could it be yeah, managed information control to create
a sphere of plausible deniability. I almost said I almost
(26:40):
said diabolic and die. Diabolic ability. Diabolic ability. That sounds
like someone's sick nineteen nineties backpack rapper name right, Hell yeah,
polic ability.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Like like like they'd be hanging out with Immortal Technique
or something one hundred percent. Yeah, Hey, take your hand
off that dead man switch or leave it on, whatever
works for you.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
We're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
You're a word from our sponsor, and then come right
back with more of this conversation.
Speaker 4 (27:12):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Because CBS News did a massive investigation into this tape.
They recreated the entire cell block with the camera and
the viewable area of the camera. They tracked it second
by second, and they show after they created this entire thing,
After they showed it to numerous experts like Jim Stafford,
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who's a forensics video expert, he has his own company
that does this stuff X L EO of several other people,
they come away with conclusions that this video tape that
is that was released, that is the end all be all,
this is what happened. Absolutely nobody could get in there.
It is fully false. It is fully false to conclude
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that nobody went up into Epstein's cell during the night
from that radio because you literally cannot see if anyone did.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah, it's idiotic that that footage is missing. It's idiotic
that that footage is missing. If it's sloppy, it's the
worst kind of negligence. And I just have no patience
for this argument.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well, it's just to check a box. Really, it's meant
to be able to say, yes, we're being fully transparent
and here's what we have, but doing it with such
imposed constraints that you don't really have to give anything up.
And we're using our language very carefully here. Because I
(28:37):
think we all saw that the CBS investigation, and they're
saying you you cannot use the doctor stitched together tape
as some kind of statement that says absolutely no one
went into Epstein's cell because that tape. Fundamentally, even if
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it didn't have its missing segments, that tape wouldn't have
been much help determining that in the first place.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Controlling the Overton window and it's decision treeing people pretty effectively. Actually, well, yeah,
just the.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Fact that the thing aspect ratio changes in this video,
I mean, that doesn't happen if you've got a raw
video feed from the same camera through the same system.
The aspect ratio is what it is, and it's not
gonna change unless somebody altered it a little bit, which
speaks to the screen grab situation. If you screen grab
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something at a slightly different size, it's gonna have a
different aspect ratio. If you use a camera to record
a screen right to capture that video footage, maybe your
camera moved a little bit at some point. That's why.
Maybe that's what it is, guys. Maybe it's that simple.
Maybe somebody set up their phone camera and recorded a
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screen and they bumped the camera just slightly right. So
then they are, oh, crap, we can't do that, can't
show them that. Well, but maybe if we stitch these
two together we can make it look like there. It's
the raw footage which goes seriously.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Right, which goes to Nole's point about sloppiness. You would
expect there would be a couple brighter crayons in the
conspiracy box.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I here aif got you can, I just as a lark,
was on Instagram and somebody sent me a picture and
a new prompt came up edit picture with AI and
I did, like, put cowboy hat on the dog and
remove the chest of drawers, and it did it in
two seconds and it looked seamless. How easy would it
(30:46):
be to aiifi a low res image to make it
look convincing and not have all that sloppy metadata crap leftover.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, that's that's the thing. I think that comes up
again to the sloppiness, which leads as to, you know,
the greater conversation the public. I think it's safe to
say the majority of the public did not have the
reaction the administration wanted with this tape debacle. Instead of
(31:15):
quelling the fire of speculation, it added more octane to
the bonfire because this revelation arrives amid an incredibly tense
pre existing political climate. You know, the supporters and allies
of the current US president never forgot the Epstein scandal,
even when the news cycle tried to move on. Instead,
(31:38):
they kept speculating intensely about the possible disclosure of new
damning evidence regarding Epstein's death. His activities before his demise
was it was the you know, the son of Pizzagate.
It was a new iteration of cleaning out the swamps.
So when the DOJ, in the days leading up to
(31:59):
the the tape debacle, when they issued a memo say
there was no such thing as an incriminating clients list,
and they reaffirmed the official suicide story, people already had
gone past the point of questions. Now people were reacting
with reverse psychology, and they were thinking anything the DOJ
or FBI says, so it doesn't exist, must exist.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Right percent.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And it's interesting because this is an administration and a
candidate or a political individual who has weaponized conspiracy theories
in such a palpable and meaningful way that have moved
numbers and you know, one over you know, whole swaths
of the population to the point where he got elected twice.
(32:46):
Whatever you think about the you know, the legitimacy of
those elections, and now to see that focus turned on
him and to see the way he reacts to that
and just sort of brushing it away, whereas anything he
was focusing on others, it was so easy to just say, oh, no,
this conspiracy thing is actually true. But when it's reversed,
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then all of a sudden, no, this is just conspiracy theorizing.
None of this holds any water. It just starts to
really erode credibility in a very meaningful way. And when
you start seeing the base that was so ramped up
by a lot of this conspiracy theorizing turning, you know,
something's a little off.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But yeah, but there's the thing that's really arguing me
is that there's no conspiracy theory here.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
There is. He says there is.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It calls it the Epstein conspiracy nor the fraud hoax,
I believe is the term that he likes to use.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You're absolutely right, guys. I'm still stuck on the video.
There's that moment that we keep talking about where there's
a missing minute. One of the staff members leaves during
that missing minute. Isn't that pretty important that a human
being that was on duty from four pm to midnight
finishes shift and left, But we don't get to see that.
(34:00):
And the fact that the Bureau of Prisons and the
FBI and the Department of Justice's Office of Inspector General
all have that unedited videotape, but we don't get to
see any of that. I mean, how is how is
that not somebody trying to hide something?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
And I think we see I think that's one instance
of again, a larger pattern of things that are being
seen like this is the tape is one facet of
a much larger, very disturbing gemstone. Right, it goes back
to the It goes back to the previous arrest for
(34:44):
first the you know, the the stuff in Florida all
those years back, god like two decades ago. Now these
stuff for Florida, New York when Epstein's home was searched
and hard drives went missing, right, and different different computers
went missing as well, never to be found. This has
(35:05):
more This tape has more attention on it because people
were trying to put on a sheep's skin of transparency. Right,
We're trying to do performative transparency in a way that
was sloppy and insincere, and the cover up is what
compromised them further. And I think it goes way past
(35:27):
the tape. We've got to talk about Galain Maxwell at
some point, we've got to talk about the many concerning
things with the president of the United States. And look,
this is something that, you know what, we want to
be very careful with because obviously people can be very
sensitive about politics here. But I think it's safe to
(35:48):
say this is a case we believe goes beyond you know,
ideology or favorite political party. If this was if this
was literally any other person doing this as president of
the United States, everyone would still be concerned. Does that
sound fair?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah? Absolutely. There are Democrat and Republican presidents hanging out
with this man, and he's accused of all these things.
I can't there are so many things in the video
we'd have to make a whole separate episode to talk
about everything. So everyone please go check out the Wired
and CBS investigations, specifically the CBS investigation. Search for CBS
(36:30):
News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies
It was written by Dan Rutnik and it was on
July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. There are so many
people that go in and out of that place when
the official story is that nobody came in and out
of that place. There are so many other things that
occur that are contrary to the official story that it
(36:53):
is wild. Please check it, please, please check it out.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
And while you're on the internet, also check out the
work of Dreve Mehrota me e h r O t
r A over at Wired on July eleventh, twenty twenty five.
That is where you're going to find the article that
releases the information about the meta data and all all.
(37:18):
By the way, also the file released ran for eleven
hours in totality, So thank you to the journalist and
analysts who went through that eleven hours. You know, Sorry
about your weekend, guys.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Can I give a just a quick quote here just
everybody has this in their head. This is from Robert Hood,
There's a former Bureau of Prisons Chief of Internal Affairs
and warden of the super max facility in Colorado. He says, quote,
in my opinion, the summary investigative reports don't provide adequate
details concerning Epstein's death. The BOP's new director should provide
(37:54):
internal investigative reports concerning the MCC involving Epstein's death and
relate historical data on the jail. And this is somebody
who's just saying you cannot get the information you need
from everything that's being provided, But there is somebody that
could provide that, and it's the Bureau of Prisons Director
William Marshall.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So check out all those sources, folks. As we said,
this goes far beyond just one instance. You know, I
think something that's happening a lot in the media landscape
now and for people to have questions about Epstein, is
that there are so many things coming out, so many
strange quotes, so many contradictions, so many problems with timelines,
(38:36):
that we could do easily an episode on each single
facet of that gemstone that I don't like that comparison
because people like gems. We could do, but we could
do an episode on each aspect of this unfolding conspiracy
and completely get lost in each facet. We're going to
pause for some words from our sponsor, but before we
(38:57):
do that, it's important to notice that this series of
events particularly the repeated statements that there was no client list.
That one, more than anything, triggered this powerful immediate backlash
to the point where now even pro administration and mainstream
media figures that once championed the president all the way
(39:20):
they began rebelling, some even explicitly accusing the US government
of a cover up. And you know, that's a fracture
of a hugely supportive base, you know what I mean,
Trouble on the horizon. When Fox News starts turning against you,
well yeah, and it's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Put them in what you might call damage control, with
varying degrees of success.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
And it's quite the show to behold.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Indeed, and hold the phone, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists.
This is going to be a two parter. There's so
much more we have to get to. As always, thank
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Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh, there's so much more. This is a reminder that
there were as many as fourteen inmates in the area
where Jeff Epstein was kept and where he was found dead,
and only three have voluntarily spoken to investigators. Weird, right, anyway,
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Thank you.
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here. That makes this the stuff
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all the conspiracy kiddos. This episode may contain, at times
(00:52):
graphic depictions of abuse. Well, that's right, we are returning
to one of the most well known trafficking cases in
recent Western history. We're recording on Monday, August eleventh, twenty
twenty five. Actually it's six years almost to the day
of Jeffrey Epstein's death in prison.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Yes, yes, it is in a lot has been happening
in the news. Oh, it's a big deal. It's also
probably don't worry about it.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Sorry.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well even well, that's the crazy thing. So many people
are talking about this still. And if you've looked on
your social media feeds, you have likely seen if you're
listening to this show, at least you have seen that
people won't stop talking about it.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
A bit of a right hot topic.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Yeah, exactly six years on and this won't go away.
It's quite the opposite, right, Instead of fading into the
background or becoming something on niche internet forums, questions about conspiracy,
corruption and cover ups related to Epstein's financial activities and
the sexual abuse ring continue. And like you were saying, no,
(02:00):
if anything, there's a resurgence in public concern due to
recent still unfolding events. So what exactly is going on?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Folks?
Speaker 3 (02:09):
Please keep in mind that several things are in flux
at the moment we're recording this. New information is emerging
seemingly every few days. So we're going to explore what's
out there now, what is suspected to come to light
in the future, And of course we have to also
acknowledge we may have to do yet another update, depending
(02:30):
on which way the courts and the prison systems go.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
Oh, that is a sure thing. I think there's gonna
be another Maxwell episode for sure, and probably another Epstein episode.
It's especially intense right now because a lot of the
people who voted for the current president wanted to know
answers to this stuff, and that organization, that group of
people said hey, we'll get you answers. And the answers
(02:55):
that are coming back don't feel very right.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
At the very least, they're underwhelming.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
And we'll get to all that and more. But first
we'll take a word from our sponsors and we'll give
a quick recap. For anybody who's saying, huh Epstein, Epstein, Epste,
the name sounds familiar. Here are the facts, all right.
(03:21):
We have a full deep dive series into the early
life and career of Jeffrey Edward Epstein. From now, maybe
we just do a quick recap before we get into
the latest events.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
He's just a guy that had a really powerful father
in lawhelps.
Speaker 5 (03:39):
Yeah, he's born on January the thirtieth of nineteen fifty three.
Epstein taught at the Dalton School before the very prestigious
Dalton School. Before leaving in nineteen seventy six, he was
in fact dismissed. I don't know if we have any
details around that, but he went to work in finance
first with the very prominent banking concern bearst yarns or
(04:00):
brokerage concern. I guess before creating his very own company.
Speaker 3 (04:05):
His rolodex included titans of industry, politicians of every imaginable stripe, celebrities, athletes,
royalty of course. And one of the reasons these folks
would say he was so popular with him is because
he had an expertise. Like you all, how you were saying,
he set up his own company. His company specialized in
(04:27):
what we'll call tax avoidance, a legal gray area. He
would review the financials of these high powered clients who
would find ways to save the money, and his payment
would be like his viig, his commission would be a
percentage of those tax savings. Now, there are a lot
of questions about that, even before he was disgraced, because,
(04:51):
as history in the courts would later prove, at least
some portion of his high powered clients were not just
using him as a financial advisor. He was also the
leader of an intensely sophisticated international sexual abuse ring targeting
young women and children, and with the knowing participation of
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at least some of his powerful associates, that is simply factual.
Speaker 5 (05:19):
I was about to say, this is one of the
rare cases where we can say this is without conjecture.
Speaker 4 (05:24):
These are confirmed facts.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Absolutely. Just to get back to why is the sky
popular with rich and powerful people. He has the kind
of money that rich and powerful people wish they had.
He has the kind of money that you can buy
one of the Virgin islands, you can buy little Saint
James Island. This dude is an island owner. He's got
that kind of money, right, So he can help you
(05:49):
save money, invest money, prevent those taxes, all that stuff.
He can maybe help you do that and maybe one
day you could be an island owner.
Speaker 4 (05:57):
Would be nice.
Speaker 3 (05:58):
Yeah, And at least that's a good point. At least
some cases his clients had aspirational relationships. His finances were
always tremendously opaque, as were the finances of his longtime
partner and accomplice, Glinn Maxwell, who is herself currently convicted
(06:19):
and incarcerated, although authorities recently relocated her to a different facility,
which we'll get to in a moment. So if we
look at the criminal side, the revelations long coming about
this sexual abuse ring, will see that it had been
an open secret in certain parts of society and perhaps
in certain parts of law enforcement for decades. Police did
(06:42):
initially investigate Epstein in two thousand and five. This led
to a extremely shady conviction in Florida. In two thousand
and eight, he's convicted of We talked about this in
our previous episodes. He's convicted of two charges procuring a
child for prostitution quote and solicitation quote. So he gets
(07:03):
this plea deal that has him serving less than thirteen
months in quote unquote custody. And there's a reason we're
saying custody and quotes there, because he was barely ain.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
In gen Pop.
Speaker 3 (07:18):
No, he's barely in the jail. He goes to his
nearby personal office on a routine basis constantly. And the
people who helped engineer this plea deal later have some
really really great things happen to them politically and in
their careers. Is not in gem pop. Sentence concludes. He
(07:40):
goes on his way until July sixth, twenty nineteen, he
is again arrested, this time on federal charges for sex
trafficking in both Florida and New York. We've got more
of the details on that. Again, this is just the
recap because less than a month later, August tenth of
that year and a day ago today, as we record,
(08:03):
Epstein dies in his jail cell. The official cause of
death remained suicide by hanging. But then and now we
your faithful correspondents and millions of others had serious questions
about that ruling. I don't think there were crazy questions either.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Yeah, let's talk a little more about the special treatment
that he got, because we noticed over all these episodes
we've been making that this dude got special treatment, whether
it's from the courts or just hanging out in the
prison when he was incarcerated. Even this last time, when
he was hanging out at the place where he was
the Metropolitan Correctional Center, in the special housing unit, he
was allowed to do things like take a cell phone
(08:45):
and make a call that is not monitored from the showers,
and he was allowed to do this by the corrections
officers there.
Speaker 4 (08:53):
And he'd been in his prison wallet or anything.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
No, but that's the kind of thing that is highly questionable,
kind of thing probably shouldn't be allowed to happen, period.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
And it's like one of the things too, where the
conversation around that there was very little conversation, at least
from officials as to this being considered special treatment at all,
Like it's just odd, and it's stuff like this that
I think makes all of us sort of call into
question the nature of justice and the quote unquote justice
system and how it is absolutely not a level playing field.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Yeah, absolutely, and special treatment is something that's going to
come up again and again in these updates because as
we're recording now, Maxwell Galaine, Maxwell not Robert Backtwell, so
what we call foreshadowing, was convicted on five of six
counts against her in court, and she was convicted in
(09:45):
December twenty twenty one. There's an upcoming second criminal trial
for two other charges of lying under oath. Because as
we know, with a lot of conspiracies, it's not the
original conspiracy that sometimes trips people up. It's the cover
up of that conspiracy, you know, capone and tax fraud,
(10:07):
and we.
Speaker 5 (10:07):
Certainly know Maxwell did and was party two horrible things.
But there's a part of it, I think all of
us that maybe looks at her as a bit of a.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
Fall guy, and as terrible as it is to admit,
stories like these can often disappear from the news. The
legal proceedings continue as lawyers and the courts go back
and forth, but public interest, you know, is always mercurial.
The twenty four hour news cycle is relentless, so unfortunately
(10:34):
a lot of things get forgotten. But there's something, guys,
there's something about the Epstein scandal that gave it serious
staining power. Part of it is the inarguable innocence of
the victims, the nature of the crimes, and another part
of it is Epstein and his associates were some of
the most powerful people on the planet.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
Well, yeah, I remember specifically when it came up that
potent actually British Royalty was hanging out with Epstein on
the island, spending time there with him and with the
other people who went to that island, and hearing about
Bill Clinton and Hillary Clinton and going out there. I mean,
these are intensely powerful people, and just the questions about
(11:17):
why on earth they would be there, and you just
want to know more when you hear something like that, right,
like why are they there? Was it just business dealings?
Like why are they there?
Speaker 5 (11:27):
And like when everyone's there, it stops even being like
mudslinging material at a certain point, which I think speaks
to the whole hush hush ness of it all, and
people not using it as political capital as much as
you might think they would.
Speaker 4 (11:41):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
Public interest absolutely did not erode, it didn't go away.
Weirdly enough, a typically divided public, especially the United States,
seemed to finally agree on something, even if it was
only this one thing. The Epstein scandal was, in everyone's opinion,
becoming a cover Upjournalists have been investigating the case for years,
(12:02):
even as Uncle Sam, through various institutions, claimed over and
over again the story is done. The official conclusion is true.
Epstein took his own life in prison. There's no such
thing as an Epstein client list, meaning there's no secret
list of associates who provably participated in child sexual abuse
(12:22):
with Epstein's assistance. The public isn't buying it, and we
can count ourselves among the public here. I think call
us biased if you must, but there's good reason to
be suspicious. And there's this huge discrepancy between what institutions
and the powerful and the public are saying, and it's
(12:43):
never been more starked. Even multiple presidents of the United
States of America, the current one included, are not a
mute concern over the unfolding Epstein scandal has already caused
serious fractures in the once monolithic MAGA voting base. What
do you say, guys, Should we get into the updates?
Should we see what new information has come to light?
Speaker 4 (13:06):
Oh yeah, there's so much.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Okay, I'm glad that wasn't a hard No, I'm glad
no one got to any of us.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Yeah, don't look over here. It's likely they opened the
door just for a second, you know, just a couple
of inches, and you saw a blazing fire in there,
and there's smoke billowing out of that tiny little crack
in the door, and there's a.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Dog sitting at a table saying this is fine, everything's fine.
Speaker 2 (13:28):
Well yeah, but then they slammed the door shut. They're like, no, no, no, no, no,
everything's fine, everything's fine. Don't look in there. Everything's fine.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
I see it as I see it as the allure
of a door marked private or employees only, with the
worst stuff behind it.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And there's like blasting music coming from behind that door.
You're like, what's going on in there?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
And and now you know, you say, hey, what's behind
the door, and they're saying, there's not a door there.
This is so Orwellian. We're gonna pause for a word
from our sponsors, and then let's dive in. Here's where
it gets crazy. What new information has come to light
(14:10):
A lot, actually, so much so that we probably can't
get to all of it, so much stuff that we're
not just seeing a rash of new information emerging, we
are also seeing a pattern emerging, a meta like a
meta pattern. There's an escalation in the pattern of reporting.
It's almost certain that more will come to light after
(14:31):
we record. In fact, we've been researching this up to
the minute, and we're going to check for more developments.
We're going to check live for more developments before we
wrap this episode. And here's the thing. At every single turn,
these developments add more fire to public skepticism, conspiratorial conjecture,
and honestly, they make the motivations of the government and
(14:54):
the powerful seem more and more suspicious. Because so much
of all right right now, folks, depay on where you
are in the world right now. A ton of the
current Epstein coverage is focusing on accusations that the current potus,
Donald J. Trump, may have participated to some degree or
(15:15):
another in financial and or sexual crimes with Jeffrey Epstein.
I mean, yes, I don't know where you guys are
seeing this on the news, but it's all over social media.
Like Matt said earlier, it's over a lot of news
networks even now, and people are beat me here, Deli.
People are talking about it across the Pacific Ocean. It's
(15:37):
one of the main things getting reported about Donald Trump.
Speaker 4 (15:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:42):
Yeah, Well, you've got a sitting president who says public
statements on a plane about how this guy that everyone
is talking about and everyone is concerned with and still
feeling some type of way about. You have the president
saying things about him and about a direct connection to
(16:04):
his place of business, right well.
Speaker 4 (16:07):
To saying that he's a great guy.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, but also saying that, yeah, this guy was taking
people directly out of.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
My spa, right And yes is the term I believe
he used.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
Yes, Yes, I mean, how is that not going to
be a major deal that needs to be addressed fully
and publicly.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Well, I'm sure we'll get to it in a bit too.
But every time he opens his mouth about this stuff,
he sort of skews the timeline not in his favor.
Because he had a public sort of falling out that
was acknowledged and documented, and then this most recent statement
about the SPA situation didn't align with that original statement
about the falling out.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
No, there's a lot of stark contradiction and easily disproving
falsehoods in these statements or you know what, you could
call him misstatements if you want, or you can say
certain things, yeah, maybe certain things, or take it out
of context. But the simple word for that is lie.
(17:08):
The simple phrase is lie in your ass off. That's
a technical phrase.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
But and it's funny how all of this goes back
to what the hell happened to Jeff free Epstein in
that cell on that day?
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Right?
Speaker 2 (17:23):
It all goes back to did he actually take his
own life? Or did somebody go in there and take
his life?
Speaker 3 (17:30):
I hear you. I think that's a pivotal moment. But
I feel like a lot of the Trump stuff is
what they were doing before then. But we do have
to get to the cell.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Don't you see those things as connected? Guys, at least
in the public zeitgeist of like, well, if he didn't
take his life and this sitting president actually was in
some way deeply connected more so than we are aware of,
then wouldn't that call into question what occurred, especially because
it happened under Donald Trump's first term.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
Yeah, that's your wood me'ure would well.
Speaker 3 (18:06):
Then, Also, the question is what would happen to the
dead man's switch that we mentioned earlier, which we'll have
to get to with Glaine as well, what other powerful
people were involved, because the current president of the United
States is first just one of the presidents who's been
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you know, alleged to have participated in the abuse ring,
and also a lot of other powerful people that were
alleged to have participated whose names we don't really know,
because a lot of powerful people move in silence, right,
and privacy is one of the biggest parts of their fortune.
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Absolutely, there are so many powerful people that may want
to stop Jeffrey Epstein from being able to talk right,
which is one of the biggest things. Are a lot of
people that might want to do that. The reason why
I think Donald Trump is so important in all of
that is because he and his administration they have all
the people with the power, with the access to all
(19:09):
the stuff to be able to prove absolutely, okay, this
man killed himself in his cell, right, and they made
a big deal about it the administration, they made a
huge deal about proving it to the public, to everybody
that this man fully took his own life and that
is absolutely the end of the story. But in their
attempts to do that, we get things like this official
(19:33):
raw videotape.
Speaker 3 (19:35):
Ah. Yes, yes. In July of this year, twenty twenty five,
the DOJ that's the Department of Justice here in the States,
and the Federal Bureau of Investigation that's the FBI released
what the DOJ said is the full raw surveillance footage
on the only functioning camera near Epstein's cell the night
before he was found dead. This came about as part
(19:59):
of the the presidential administration's earlier campaign commitment when they said, look,
during the second Trump campaign, we're going to fully investigate
this death. We're going to determine whether it was actually suicide,
and we're going to put to bed any ongoing conspiratorial
speculation that he may have been murdered or somehow forced
(20:19):
to take his own life. But here's the thing, oh,
friends and neighbors, it turns out that video was neither
raw nor was it full. And just to be clear,
this is it's never been a matter of video footage
pointing into the cell. It's a static shot of the
(20:40):
wholeway near or outside of the cell. And they did
share these files, but they I guess they didn't think
anybody else knew about metadata.
Speaker 2 (20:53):
Well yeah, well, let let's talk about the placement of
the camera first of all, because I think this is
massively important. There's a central common area in this thing
called the special Housing unit where Jeffrey Epstein was. There
are three wings attached to this common area, and there
are three sets of stairs that each lead up to
(21:13):
a group of eight cells and down to a group
of eight cells, and Jeffrey Epstein was located in the
closest to the right, in one of those upper cell blocks,
so the upstairs ones. The camera angle that we have
is around the corner, obscured by a wall, and you
can see a tiny, tiny sliver We're talking several pixels
(21:36):
worth of the staircase on one side, and that's what
we get to see. So everything we're about to talk
about is everything that occurs in the central area, the
common area there, and then a sliver of the staircase.
Speaker 5 (21:53):
So already not in the best angle for like picking
up a potential escape route for an individal jewel who
would have, you know, an assassin or whatever you want
to call.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Yeah, it's real, better than nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:05):
And to add to that, there's a camera on the
opposite wall of that common area that if it was
on and recording and we had that tape, you could
see the entrance to the facility, because right now you
can't even see the entrance to the freaking cell block area.
And you and if you had that camera, you would
be able to see the staircase almost in full, and
(22:27):
you'd be able to see the door to the cell
where Epstein was. So like the fact that that camera
wasn't recording. And there are also cameras at the end
of each wing on both levels, and none of those
cameras we don't have any of the footage from those
cameras either.
Speaker 5 (22:44):
Right, and the one we do have that was already
kind of whack in its placement. It's not the full
and unedited as you mentioned, which we will get to.
The metadata point is.
Speaker 2 (22:54):
Crucial, Matt. All of it is crucial because it's just
it is soh suspect from the jump.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Right even to the placement of Epstein in a particular
cell versus another one.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
Look.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Journalist and analysts are all over these files, and there
was some great reporting and wired about this that everyone
should check out. Journalists were contacted by some video analysts
who were already deep in the Epstein world who had
done their own research on this stuff. And you can
see this video file, or you could when they originally
(23:34):
released it on official government websites. The metadata revealed that
something was missing. At first, it looked like a single
minute of tape, and we reported on that in a
strange news program. Now it looks like nearly three minutes
are gone from the tape overall. Because the video was
stitched together in Adobe Premiere Pro from two separate video files.
(23:58):
It was saved multiple times. I remember texting you guys
about this on our group chat. How Like, anybody who
knows about editing knows that the file Dave was probably
like something like Epstein final Dash four Dash two Dash
final Dash final one dash this one.
Speaker 5 (24:20):
And it has the feel and vibe of the kind
of thing that was turned around last minute.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Yeah, it feels a bit amateurist, does it not. It
was exported, it was uploaded doj website the source clips
stitched together. Do you have some overlap. One of the
source clips is about two minutes and fifty three seconds
longer than the segment included in the final video, which
indicates the footage appears to have been trimmed before release.
(24:49):
And remember when we talked, we talked about the original
missing minute story. I definitely wanted us to take pain
to point out that Attorney General the AG Pam Bondi
was attributing what she called a missing minute to a
nightly system reset. And we had I think an invigorating
(25:12):
conversation about legacy technology and how odd it is that
a system would reset and miss a minute in a
world where you know, the average civilian, without spending too
much money, can just get alarm system that is always
on and sends live video to your phone. You know,
(25:33):
I think that all hit us, as our pouse Chuck
would say, as something hinky.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
It all smells of controlled information and plausible deniability to me,
because ultimately the Department of Corrections has that tape, right,
the people who run that facility. Then let's say the
Department of Justice and the FBI come to them to
get that stuff from them. Now they only know what
the Department of Corrections know and shows them right, and
(26:02):
then those departments go back and they talk to you know,
the the administration and the people who are actually talking
about this, like Pambondi, And it feels as though something
is being protected at the lowest level so that people
above don't have to know exactly what happened.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
I would agree with that, Yeah, because our next question
is could it be that Bondie and her team were
simply mistaken kind of a fog of war developing events situation,
or could it be yeah, managed information control to create
a sphere of plausible deniability. I almost said I almost
(26:40):
said diabolic and die. Diabolic ability. Diabolic ability. That sounds
like someone's sick nineteen nineties backpack rapper name right, Hell yeah,
polic ability.
Speaker 5 (26:51):
Like like like they'd be hanging out with Immortal Technique
or something one hundred percent. Yeah, Hey, take your hand
off that dead man switch or leave it on, whatever
works for you.
Speaker 4 (27:01):
We're going to take a quick break.
Speaker 5 (27:03):
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Speaker 4 (27:12):
And we're back.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Because CBS News did a massive investigation into this tape.
They recreated the entire cell block with the camera and
the viewable area of the camera. They tracked it second
by second, and they show after they created this entire thing,
After they showed it to numerous experts like Jim Stafford,
(27:33):
who's a forensics video expert, he has his own company
that does this stuff X L EO of several other people,
they come away with conclusions that this video tape that
is that was released, that is the end all be all,
this is what happened. Absolutely nobody could get in there.
It is fully false. It is fully false to conclude
(27:55):
that nobody went up into Epstein's cell during the night
from that radio because you literally cannot see if anyone did.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Yeah, it's idiotic that that footage is missing. It's idiotic
that that footage is missing. If it's sloppy, it's the
worst kind of negligence. And I just have no patience
for this argument.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Well, it's just to check a box. Really, it's meant
to be able to say, yes, we're being fully transparent
and here's what we have, but doing it with such
imposed constraints that you don't really have to give anything up.
And we're using our language very carefully here. Because I
(28:37):
think we all saw that the CBS investigation, and they're
saying you you cannot use the doctor stitched together tape
as some kind of statement that says absolutely no one
went into Epstein's cell because that tape. Fundamentally, even if
(29:00):
it didn't have its missing segments, that tape wouldn't have
been much help determining that in the first place.
Speaker 4 (29:06):
Yeah, so it's.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Controlling the Overton window and it's decision treeing people pretty effectively. Actually, well, yeah,
just the.
Speaker 2 (29:16):
Fact that the thing aspect ratio changes in this video,
I mean, that doesn't happen if you've got a raw
video feed from the same camera through the same system.
The aspect ratio is what it is, and it's not
gonna change unless somebody altered it a little bit, which
speaks to the screen grab situation. If you screen grab
(29:38):
something at a slightly different size, it's gonna have a
different aspect ratio. If you use a camera to record
a screen right to capture that video footage, maybe your
camera moved a little bit at some point. That's why.
Maybe that's what it is, guys. Maybe it's that simple.
Maybe somebody set up their phone camera and recorded a
(30:00):
screen and they bumped the camera just slightly right. So
then they are, oh, crap, we can't do that, can't
show them that. Well, but maybe if we stitch these
two together we can make it look like there. It's
the raw footage which goes seriously.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
Right, which goes to Nole's point about sloppiness. You would
expect there would be a couple brighter crayons in the
conspiracy box.
Speaker 5 (30:25):
I here aif got you can, I just as a lark,
was on Instagram and somebody sent me a picture and
a new prompt came up edit picture with AI and
I did, like, put cowboy hat on the dog and
remove the chest of drawers, and it did it in
two seconds and it looked seamless. How easy would it
(30:46):
be to aiifi a low res image to make it
look convincing and not have all that sloppy metadata crap leftover.
Speaker 3 (30:54):
Well, that's that's the thing. I think that comes up
again to the sloppiness, which leads as to, you know,
the greater conversation the public. I think it's safe to
say the majority of the public did not have the
reaction the administration wanted with this tape debacle. Instead of
(31:15):
quelling the fire of speculation, it added more octane to
the bonfire because this revelation arrives amid an incredibly tense
pre existing political climate. You know, the supporters and allies
of the current US president never forgot the Epstein scandal,
even when the news cycle tried to move on. Instead,
(31:38):
they kept speculating intensely about the possible disclosure of new
damning evidence regarding Epstein's death. His activities before his demise
was it was the you know, the son of Pizzagate.
It was a new iteration of cleaning out the swamps.
So when the DOJ, in the days leading up to
(31:59):
the the tape debacle, when they issued a memo say
there was no such thing as an incriminating clients list,
and they reaffirmed the official suicide story, people already had
gone past the point of questions. Now people were reacting
with reverse psychology, and they were thinking anything the DOJ
or FBI says, so it doesn't exist, must exist.
Speaker 4 (32:24):
Right percent.
Speaker 5 (32:25):
And it's interesting because this is an administration and a
candidate or a political individual who has weaponized conspiracy theories
in such a palpable and meaningful way that have moved
numbers and you know, one over you know, whole swaths
of the population to the point where he got elected twice.
(32:46):
Whatever you think about the you know, the legitimacy of
those elections, and now to see that focus turned on
him and to see the way he reacts to that
and just sort of brushing it away, whereas anything he
was focusing on others, it was so easy to just say, oh, no,
this conspiracy thing is actually true. But when it's reversed,
(33:08):
then all of a sudden, no, this is just conspiracy theorizing.
None of this holds any water. It just starts to
really erode credibility in a very meaningful way. And when
you start seeing the base that was so ramped up
by a lot of this conspiracy theorizing turning, you know,
something's a little off.
Speaker 2 (33:26):
But yeah, but there's the thing that's really arguing me
is that there's no conspiracy theory here.
Speaker 4 (33:31):
There is. He says there is.
Speaker 5 (33:33):
It calls it the Epstein conspiracy nor the fraud hoax,
I believe is the term that he likes to use.
Speaker 2 (33:39):
You're absolutely right, guys. I'm still stuck on the video.
There's that moment that we keep talking about where there's
a missing minute. One of the staff members leaves during
that missing minute. Isn't that pretty important that a human
being that was on duty from four pm to midnight
finishes shift and left, But we don't get to see that.
(34:00):
And the fact that the Bureau of Prisons and the
FBI and the Department of Justice's Office of Inspector General
all have that unedited videotape, but we don't get to
see any of that. I mean, how is how is
that not somebody trying to hide something?
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Right?
Speaker 3 (34:21):
And I think we see I think that's one instance
of again, a larger pattern of things that are being
seen like this is the tape is one facet of
a much larger, very disturbing gemstone. Right, it goes back
to the It goes back to the previous arrest for
(34:44):
first the you know, the the stuff in Florida all
those years back, god like two decades ago. Now these
stuff for Florida, New York when Epstein's home was searched
and hard drives went missing, right, and different different computers
went missing as well, never to be found. This has
(35:05):
more This tape has more attention on it because people
were trying to put on a sheep's skin of transparency. Right,
We're trying to do performative transparency in a way that
was sloppy and insincere, and the cover up is what
compromised them further. And I think it goes way past
(35:27):
the tape. We've got to talk about Galain Maxwell at
some point, we've got to talk about the many concerning
things with the president of the United States. And look,
this is something that, you know what, we want to
be very careful with because obviously people can be very
sensitive about politics here. But I think it's safe to
(35:48):
say this is a case we believe goes beyond you know,
ideology or favorite political party. If this was if this
was literally any other person doing this as president of
the United States, everyone would still be concerned. Does that
sound fair?
Speaker 2 (36:06):
Yeah? Absolutely. There are Democrat and Republican presidents hanging out
with this man, and he's accused of all these things.
I can't there are so many things in the video
we'd have to make a whole separate episode to talk
about everything. So everyone please go check out the Wired
and CBS investigations, specifically the CBS investigation. Search for CBS
(36:30):
News investigation of Jeffrey Epstein jail video reveals new discrepancies
It was written by Dan Rutnik and it was on
July twenty ninth, twenty twenty five. There are so many
people that go in and out of that place when
the official story is that nobody came in and out
of that place. There are so many other things that
occur that are contrary to the official story that it
(36:53):
is wild. Please check it, please, please check it out.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
And while you're on the internet, also check out the
work of Dreve Mehrota me e h r O t
r A over at Wired on July eleventh, twenty twenty five.
That is where you're going to find the article that
releases the information about the meta data and all all.
(37:18):
By the way, also the file released ran for eleven
hours in totality, So thank you to the journalist and
analysts who went through that eleven hours. You know, Sorry
about your weekend, guys.
Speaker 4 (37:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (37:33):
Can I give a just a quick quote here just
everybody has this in their head. This is from Robert Hood,
There's a former Bureau of Prisons Chief of Internal Affairs
and warden of the super max facility in Colorado. He says, quote,
in my opinion, the summary investigative reports don't provide adequate
details concerning Epstein's death. The BOP's new director should provide
(37:54):
internal investigative reports concerning the MCC involving Epstein's death and
relate historical data on the jail. And this is somebody
who's just saying you cannot get the information you need
from everything that's being provided, But there is somebody that
could provide that, and it's the Bureau of Prisons Director
William Marshall.
Speaker 3 (38:15):
So check out all those sources, folks. As we said,
this goes far beyond just one instance. You know, I
think something that's happening a lot in the media landscape
now and for people to have questions about Epstein, is
that there are so many things coming out, so many
strange quotes, so many contradictions, so many problems with timelines,
(38:36):
that we could do easily an episode on each single
facet of that gemstone that I don't like that comparison
because people like gems. We could do, but we could
do an episode on each aspect of this unfolding conspiracy
and completely get lost in each facet. We're going to
pause for some words from our sponsor, but before we
(38:57):
do that, it's important to notice that this series of
events particularly the repeated statements that there was no client list.
That one, more than anything, triggered this powerful immediate backlash
to the point where now even pro administration and mainstream
media figures that once championed the president all the way
(39:20):
they began rebelling, some even explicitly accusing the US government
of a cover up. And you know, that's a fracture
of a hugely supportive base, you know what I mean,
Trouble on the horizon. When Fox News starts turning against you,
well yeah, and it's.
Speaker 5 (39:40):
Put them in what you might call damage control, with
varying degrees of success.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
And it's quite the show to behold.
Speaker 3 (39:49):
Indeed, and hold the phone, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists.
This is going to be a two parter. There's so
much more we have to get to. As always, thank
you for tuning in. In the meantime, write to us,
maybe give us a phone call. Find us online, that's right,
(40:09):
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Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh, there's so much more. This is a reminder that
there were as many as fourteen inmates in the area
where Jeff Epstein was kept and where he was found dead,
and only three have voluntarily spoken to investigators. Weird, right, anyway,
Why don't you call us? Our number is one eight
three three std WYTK. It's a voicemail system. When you
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and message on the air. You want to send us
an email, We are.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
The entities that read each piece of correspondence we receive.
Yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back. And here's
a beautiful thing about this email stuff, folks, we could
all see it. You could send us the links. You
can send us pictures, animation. It doesn't have to be
related to Epstein. Give us a suggestion for a reaction
(41:18):
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Speaker 4 (41:35):
Thank you.
Speaker 3 (41:36):
We'll get to some of those later this week as well.
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