August 20, 2025 • 41 mins
Despite concerted efforts of extremely powerful people, the conspiracies surrounding Jeffrey Epstein refuse to disappear from the news. In chapter two of the 2025 Epstein update, Ben, Matt and Noel dive deeper into the bizarre statements of politicians and business tycoons associated with Epstein's international sex crimes, catch up with the latest disturbing developments... and ask what will ultimately happen to Epstein's only accomplice currently imprisoned: the disgraced socialite Ghislaine Maxwell.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show.
Speaker 4 (00:27):
My name is Matt, my name is Nolan.
Speaker 5 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you
are here. That makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. This is part two of our Epstein
twenty twenty five updates. So folks, if you are just
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hearing this, please please please do yourself a favor. Pause,
stop the tape, rewind to part one and listen through.
Promise this will make a lot more sense. And we
haven't futzed with the original recording.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Pay no attention to that missing forty five seconds in there.
Nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Just do us a favor, take
a screen capture of all of this, and then at
some point stitch two of those together and then just
release it to the public.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And even better, make a book where you write weirdly
cryptic notes to all of us. Tune in for our
Epstein update Saga continuing as we speak in media arrests.
Let's dive in enter Galaine Maxwell. So this all the
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stuff we're talking about, these crazy statements, or by crazy
we mean self contradictory statements, This public distrust of those statements,
as well as institutions, artifact like the tape, or various
documents that have or have not been messed with. All
this is happening as the story of Glain Maxwell unfolds.
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And as we mentioned, she was longtime close partner of Epstein's.
She is provably aided in his heinous crimes. She was.
Let's see, she was convicted in December of twenty twenty one,
sentenced to twenty years of incarceration, and ever since then,
her legal team has been fighting to either mitigate her
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sentence or just maybe, as we all heard, secure a
presidential pardon. Yuck.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Sorry, Yeah, the fact that that's even on the table is.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Bizarre, right, right, And there's been a lot of I
feel like there's been more reporting about presidential pardons now
than we typically see at this point in any presidential administration,
because usually you'll see a rath the pardons sail out
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right at the end of a presidential administration. Right, it's
like my last week is potus, let me pardon or
commute the sentences of as many people as I like,
right because now there aren't going to be campaign consequences
for me. So it feels a little bit unusual to
see so much visible news about the possibility of pardons
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this early in an administration. Ghalaide Maxwell had been repeatedly
denied bail because honestly, this is a super sketchy individual.
The finances are so obscure, you guys, She's okay at hiding,
though I think people are making more of that than
they should. She did some not smart things when she
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was trying to escape the law, and she was hiding
with some former British military as security guards. But did
you guys hear about how she attempted to her phone
with tinfoil?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, we didn't have a set on how that doesn't
work super well.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The latest things coming out about her that she and
her attorneys are trying to do is to lean on
this this deal that Epstein made, right, or the deal
that was made with Epstein. Let's say that stated that
they couldn't prosecute anybody else there was any of Epstein's
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associates like they was a deal that said you cannot
do that, and now she's trying. She and her attorneys
are trying to use that as leverage to get out
of everything.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Which the attorneys should right because this is happening with
a this kind of a spaghetti the wall approach for
some of the legal proceedings.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, that's just a reminder to say that some a
lot of people were being protected by the Justice Department
when they made that deal with Epstein.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The first time, right when they set that precedent. Yeah, agreed.
If we back up, one of the big reasons that
Gilai Maxwell was always denied bail once apprehended is because
authorities are worried that she might pull up Polanski if
she makes it to France. France will not extradite. And
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when I said plan skin, I'm meaning Roman Polansky, the
disgraced filmmaker.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah. Yes, I made some bangers, but not a great guy,
it would seem. No.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
In the wake of all these new revelations, this growing tension,
and some really bizarre statements from the US government and
the president himself, Gilain Maxwell's legal team trebled their efforts
to get a deal and started making progress. But before
we go into that, why don't we talk about some
of those statements, not just you know, not just recent
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statements in press conferences, not just the oh my gosh
where he's still talking about Epstein's stuff, but also discovered
statements writing from the past. I'm thinking particularly about the
the book that Maxwell had made for Jeffrey Epstein's birthday,
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birthday book, the Birthday Book wherein now President the current
president denies this. But the story is that in that
book there is a drawing of a nude woman with
the autograph of the president where the pubic hair would be,
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and then a message contained within the silhouette the drawing
of the woman that is just severely creepy. And we
can actually go ahead and read this message if we
haven't read it on air in full.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Was it it may make each day? May each day
be another delicious secret? Or it's something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Okay, this is this is pretty nuts. We're just going
to do it as a straight view. But it's a dialogue,
and this is one of many messages in the book. Voiceover,
there must be more to life than having everything. The
note began, Donald, Yes there is, but I won't tell
you what it is, Jeffrey, nor will I, since I
also know what it is. Donald. We have certain things
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in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, Yes, we do, come to think
of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have you noticed that, Jeffrey.
As a matter of fact, it was clear to me
the last time I saw you. And this is where
we get to the very creepy part that Noel you
mentioned here. I'm laughing out of being uncomfortable. By the way,
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Trump a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and
may every day be another wonderful secret.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeh, yeh, yeh talking about how enigmas never age.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Oh right, have you noticed that? And this was first
revealed by a journalists at the Wall Street Journal, and
when asked about this, the President denied having ever done
this and specifically said, I never wrote a picture in my.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Life, no picture. But we know that he does. He
loves big, big, chunky markers. He often draws on diagrams
and things in public settings, and it's a thing that
he's done. You can unearth easily any number of little
doodles that he's done over the years. And the Wall
Street Journal, by the way, owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yes, Fox fame, and they're beefed up right now. Artial context. Well,
if it takes too long in the courts, then mister
Murdoch may not be alive to see it, because he
is well into his nineties at this point. We do
know also, yes, to be fair, people when speaking extemporaneously
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can misspeak. They might get something factually incorrect, you know,
they might misremember something they or misstated. But this explicit
denial seems pretty pretty past that threshold of error. And
there are many, many more people in the book because
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Glene Maxwell had asked a lot of Epstein associates to
contribute to this. It's like a scrapbook of fan mail.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And there's like a manifest practically, isn't there like a
bibliography or a table of contents that's also floating around
out there with other names. And Trump is most assuredly
on that.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Dershowitz is in one. There are a lot of politicians,
or Dershowitz wrote one, I should say there are a
lot of other politicians, titans of industry types. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah. On August fifth, the New York Times published a
huge troph and it includes personal messages from people like
Woody Allen, as well as the former Prime Minister of
Israel at hud Barak and his wife about how there's
no limit to your curiosity. They stated, you are like
a closed book to men, any of them, but you
know everything about everyone. And they described him as a
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collector of people. They said, may you enjoy long and
healthy life, and may all of us your friends enjoy
your table for many more years to come. Noam Chomsky
was hanging out with him. Yeah, like no other billionaire
moguls like Mortimer Zuckerman, Lawrence M.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Krause.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
We're telling people from MIT, people who headed MIT, people
who headed Harvard, like Martin Noa. It's like, it's insane
the number of people that wrote in this twenty sixteen
sixty third birthday thing, and just.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
As about me five.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Exactly. And just to say, y'all, I mean Rupert Murdoch
being I guess you know, obviously this guy who wants
to make money overall, but you know, has historically been
a bit of a Trump booster, at least in terms
of his big properties, being so behind Trump and all
his political activities. Do you really think he would thumbs
up the release of a thing like that if it
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hadn't been vetted six ways to Sunday.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
No.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I think that's why the administration assigned beat Me or
Dylon a ton of FBI operators to scour documents for
any mention of Trump, of the like the literal word
trump before they're released to the public. I also want
to share, just to get a bigger sense of this, folks,
I want to share one of the poems in the
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book from Leon Black, a billionaire of note this wait.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Leon Black from Curb Your Enthusiasm. No, sorry, that's his
literal name in the show.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That's really funny. Sorry, that's good. No, not that Leon Black.
Differently on Black, billionaire who wrote a poem for Epstein
on his birthday that said, the following blonde, red or
brunette spread out geographically with this net of fish. Jeff's
now the old man and the sea dude even more
on the nose, on the noise and on the nose.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, dude, Woody Allen on the twenty sixteen one. So
they're two. Just everybody is aware. There's a two thousand
and three fiftieth birthday card that is the Trump one,
and then there's twenty sixteen sixty third birthday. Wait there,
I say that twice their fiftieth and sixty third birthdays.
But Woody Allen in the sixty third birthday one I'm
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gonna read directly from some reporting out of The Guardian
by Anna Betts. This was published on August fifth. This
is from Woody Allen. He notes that the parties included
quote politicians, scientists, teachers, magicians, comedians, intellectuals, journalists, and even royalty.
And he describes the dinners as quote well served. And
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then he goes on He says, I say well served.
Often it's by some professional houseman, and just as often
by several young women who remind him of Castle Dracula,
where Agosi has three young female vampires who service the place.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's not the only thing they're servicing.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, and there are a lot of messages that I
don't know. I think the poem especially, and the statement
that Trump denies writing, along with several others, they're past
the point of reading Tea leaves right, They're past the
point of confirmation bias. Just to be clear, there are
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other things in there that seem like they're just saying
happy birthday to some powerful guy.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
For sure, I mean, he's he's just got a framed
dollar bill that's signed by Bill Gates with a message
I was wrong. What's that about Bill.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Paying back on a bed or something like that. I
don't know. There's a lot of smoke y'all.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, and so we I wanted to mention these things,
also in step with again more bizarre statements or denials
from the President that sometimes to critics look like guilty
dog Bark's first kind of situations. All of this occurring
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while the Maxwell team is attempting to negotiate a better deal,
whether that be a mitigation of a sentence or dismissal
or pardon entirely, they are making progress. On July twenty
third of this year, Maxwell was subpoena to testify to
Congress under oath about her involvement with Epstein. Her legal
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team demanded full immunity from any additional prosecution for doing so.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Epstein is dead. What is the deal? Who does this
benefit in terms of the the the justice of it all?
Because the like you get a community deal because you
do you turn other people in, or you get like,
you know, you help with the outcome of a case.
I mean, I just don't understand what she has to
offer that benefits anybody but bad people who don't want
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the light to be shown on them.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
That's the thing. No, if they if Congress subpoenaed her
successfully and she responded under oath to questions about possible
Trump involvement with Epstein, then the target would become Donald
Trump for the congressional investigation. That's the that's the that's
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the concerner. That's the hypothetical chess game people are playing
out in their heads.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, it's because the pieces are falling together here, guys.
The weird statements coming out from Trump connect things together
that shouldn't be connected together. We just talked on strange
News about Virginia Jeoffrey who died allegedly by suicide in
April and spaw employee spa employee at Mara a Lago. Yes,
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spat employee at Mara a Lago that.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Was stolen quote unquote yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And you have a sitting president who says I have
the best spat uh. And by the way, she had
no complaints about us whatsoever. Talking directly about Virginia Jeoffrey,
a person who was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein, who
just died in April.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
No empathy, no statements being you know, a heart going
out to the family, all just you know, I'm I
didn't know wrong, I'm innocent.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
If this was a true investigation, there is a direct
connection from mar A Lago to the island that Jeffrey
Epstein was doing a lot of stuff on, to the
properties that he was doing this stuff on with people
who were workers of spas to Dan.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
And they were down the street by the way Epstein
and mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yep So, I mean, that's why this won't go away.
That's why all this is happening, because it's if you're
we're all kind of having to be investigators, just as
the public watching this go down.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
There's a version of this with the mar A Lago spies.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
A pipeline most certainly is hold the phone, folks, mysterious
phone called jokes aside. We'll take a word from our
sponsor and we'll be right back and we've returned. Okay.
So going back to the excellent question you had there
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and all about like quibono, who does it benefit who
does it harm? The reason the reason Maxwell would logically
demand immunity from any additional prosecution is a safeguard mechanism, really,
and there's something interesting that occurred immediately after, and I
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want to make sure we don't lose this. So this
is the point we're getting at. It's July twenty third,
when that subpoena occurs. The US attorney Todd Blanche interviews
Maxwell pretty much immediately privately the next day, July twenty
fourth and July twenty fifth, Like that is one of
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the fastest movements of sicking, you know, sick in the
hound dogs that we've seen in a while.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And no conflict adventures there, right, I.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Mean, yeah, no, just because Todd happened to work closely.
He was in the neighborhood and with right with with
the current president before he was the president, and then
he got appointed, probably due to his loyalty to the
current administration. And then yeah, this guy just happened to
have those days free, right, still pop in? Yeah, right,
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just to check it. We don't know the substance of
the interview, by the way, We don't know what they discussed,
but they talked for a while, and we do know
that as a result, very likely as a result of
whatever the substance of their conversation, was Gleigh. Maxwell was
transferred on August first from FCI Tallahassee. That's where she
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was being held, to a posh minimum security facility named
the Brian Federal Prison Camp. This is comparatively cushy, you know.
When you look at the rest of the US justice
system or incarceration system, this would be called club med
or club fed in some circles. It is commonly regarded
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as at one of the absolute best federal prisons, and
there is no legal precedent for Maxwell getting shipped over there,
especially as a convicted sex offender.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I think it goes without saying that none of this
is like political mudslinging in any way, shape or form.
This stuff is just like it's the very nature of
the concept of conspiracy and conspiracy theories all aligning in
this like perfect storm, and there's no two ways about it.
It's happening before our very eyes. I just think I
don't mean to be labor that point, but I just
do think it maybe bears repeating.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, like the White Stripe said, it's also quickly, like
the White Stripe said, we're hitting on facts here, folks,
even though this is the here's where it gets crazy part.
Of our episodes. This is historically unusual, unprecedented for an
offender like Maxwell to be moved to the Brian Federal
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prison camp. And when when the administration was asked about
this transfer and how unusual it was, they said there
was no preferential treatment involved. This is a routine occurrence.
It is, by the way, not this.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Is None of this is routine. You don't do an
interview like that.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Revisiting after the fact, right this person's been convicted. There's
no what's the point, sorry, Matt, I'm so set.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's just that there's too many things to remark on
the fact that there were no other law enforcement officials
or Justice Department officials there when this interview was going
down between somebody who used to personally represent the president
and a person who is going to be a cooperating witness.
You have nobody else in the room.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
That's insane, And what's in the box when we walk
out like this is where we find another set of
questions and agreed in saying, first, what does Maxwell know,
As we talked about in our earlier Epstein series, does
she possibly have a dead man switch? A dead man
switch in this situation would be some kind of arrangement,
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or think of it as an insurance policy saying I
will release damning evidence to the press, to investigators who
are not compromised as human, and to lawyers if things
don't go by way, or if I die. That's what
we were wondering whether Jeffrey Epstein himself had Also will
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there be a possibility of a pardon, a commutation, something
even more extreme than relocating to a nicer facility. A
lot of analysts say this would be political suicide for
politicians or officials involved, and there's some validity in claiming that.
But then it gets to the third thing that a
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lot of people aren't really talking about in mainstream media coverage,
and that's the allegations of Maxwell and Epstein being somehow
involved with intelligence operations, you know, and a lot of
the a lot of the red stream there draws back
to Galam Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, newspaper tycoon, fraudster, politician.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Isn't their connection with Israeli intelligence? That's a big one, right, Yeah,
with Robert Maxwell for sure. Yes, his own death remains mysterious.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
By the way, I don't know what do you guys
think about We talked about this previously. I don't want
to necessarily re litigate it, but what do we think?
I'm interested in your opinions on whether there's any sands
to the intelligence operation allegations here.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I'm curious to know what that would look like like.
This is this honey pot type operation stuff flake? What
are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think guys, in our previous conversations, we pretty much proved,
at least you know, from a common sense perspective that
this type of activity where there's clearly illegal activity occurring.
You know, just the fact that there are underage women
there who have already come forward. Right, there's illegal activity happening.
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To implicate any one of these powerful people in any
way connected to that activity would be to have a
little bit of control over them.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What is compromat for? To make sure the people that
you have compromat on do that you want them to do.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeh.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
And this I think it is one hundred percent comp
This is my opinion, one hundred percent of compromat operation.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It was it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think that Epstein and Maxwell were controlled or handled
by someone or some group, and that what they did
is they collected all of these people. They're literally a
quote collector of people, and they would get dirt on
them and then hold it. And then any time one
of these people was going to get out of line,
you could pull that up and say, or just remind them,
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just with a little wink in a nod, Hey remember
that time we spent a little Saint James. Oh yeah,
Now you've got them under control.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And that speaks to the dead man's switch. Yes, yes,
like that's the the unloading of choice members of that collective.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, and it's also imagine I imagine someone reminding them
by leaking stuff to you know, these outlets.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And somebody's got to take the fall in the public
eye of all of this. We need a body behind
bars who was tied to it. Epstein's now dead. We
got to keep her happy to some degree.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Or we need a distraction. Yeah. I'm very much on
the same page with you guys. Opinions. Is it okay
if I give mine as well? Yeah? Think all right,
So I think that's here's what I think. Uh So,
I think in line with that with Dove telling, Yeah,
in the research we're seeing, we're seeing definitely this this
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similar pattern. It's not just the idea of compromat and blackmail.
It's also the idea of paying for access into the
inner circle, committing an act so that you do have
this compromise on me, right, And I think I think
it occurs also in the realm of financial stuff. The
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sexual abuse is horrific and unclean and will always grab
headlines no matter what the alleged perpetrators tried to do
to stop that.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
But there's some dirty deals on the books as well.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Fan Yeah, again al Capone and tax evasion. You know
what I mean, because Capone did a couple of other
things as well, but tax evasion was what he got
nailed on. So the idea here is goes into something
that doesn't get talked about as much, which is financial
compromise and control perhaps occurring in step with this. It
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all adds up, right, It's it's bigger than hip hop.
As dead Press was wont to say, I don't know,
it's it's intensely unclear what's going to happen next. With
Galay Maxwell, I appreciate that point, all about the possibility
of a fall guy, someone to sew up the news
story so the public can wipe their hands of it
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and move on to the next thing. But we also
we also know that could be another distraction, you know,
the way.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
They can pardon her. It just it collapsed, I mean,
if they did, the amount of dirt or whatever. I mean,
the weighing of those options, it just seems like political
suicide given what's going on, to pardon this person.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But who honestly, right now where we sit on today, Monday,
August eleventh, who is going to do anything about it
if they pardon her? Who could do anything when he's
a lame.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Duck president, So there is no political political suicide isn't
even in the picture.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Ill yeah, in the current structure of the US government,
which might also be up for debate.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Which might be twisted your haimbers, right, Ben.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But if she gets pardoned, guess where she's head and France. So,
like you know, it's one of those things. I fear
that it's one of those things where because there are
so many people in charge right now that are attached
to this thing, so many powerful people that still live
who are attached to this thing. She will get pardoned,
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or she will she won't be living for much longer,
and that'll just be done, and they'll try and put
it to bed again.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
And then Also, if we exercise some game theory from
the Maxwell legal perspective, there may be certain public signals
you have to send. But there may also be, especially
now that we've relocated to the Posh prison camp, there
may be a reason to slow foot some of this
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stuff because want a sustainable situation was to survive, right,
And in this case, if even a fraction of the
stuff that we are pretty convinced is true is true, then, folks,
fellow conspiracy realist, Maxwell is only alive so long as
there is a use to that individual. And if there's
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some information provided that makes that individual no longer useful,
then anything can happen, you know what I mean? Their
third story windows all throughout the country, so and even
in France, right, I think that's that's the scary thing.
We're talking about, a very long reach here you can
get touched, and its past extradition.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, sorry, getting touched in this context.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Ye think, it's just where my head's at. It's it's
twisted stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
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I want to bring up the phone call one more time,
just because I think it's super important to everything that occurred,
and I think it speaks to everything we're talking about
right now. That weird thing where one of the last
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actions that Jeffrey Epstein took is that he was going
he needed to make a phone call, and he was
allowed to make an unmonitored call from a shower area
using a phone line that was intended only for attorney communications.
So attorney client privileged stuff, right. Nobody gets to listen
to this conversation, according to the LA. Yes, according to
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the official report, the unit manager there in the Department
of Corrections, the senior officer in charge, made this thing
happen for Epstein. Epstein said he wanted to call his mother.
His mother died in two thousand and three, you guys,
this is twenty nineteen. He said he needed to call
his mother. So the unit manager dial a New York
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City area code. A man answered, and then he handed
this phone to Jeffrey Epstein. The unit manager left Jeffrey
Epstein alone in the shower area. Jeff talked to whoever
this person was, and then later the unit manager had
to call the corrections officer Noel, her last name's TVA
Noel is her name, called that person and said, hey,
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I need to get that phone back. But whatever, Like
anything could have been said on that phone call, right,
but that is one of those crazy things that was
allowed to happen, and it was one of the last
actions that he took. When I'm thinking about things like
a dead hand switch and things like that, I just
imagined that that phone call probably had way more significance
than we'll ever know.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
And that reminds me also of the the two day
interview process that delayed Maxwell encountered that we just mentioned.
Because started looking into Maxwell, who could be an episode
all her own, we've uncovered a lot more questions about
her careers as socialite. Her philanthropy of particular interest is
(31:04):
something called the Tara Marr Project, something she co created
NGO focused on protecting the oceans. Sounds pretty innocuous. She
gave a ted X talk on this, I think in
twenty fourteen. She attended the United Nations a couple times
to talk about this. The concern public isn't asking too
(31:24):
many questions about our philanthropic ties just yet, but I
believe the concerned public should. Yeah. Instead, they're wondering whether
she has access to this client list.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, it's a good way to get her in a
room with a lot of important people, right, do a
ted talk, Go to the United Nations those there are
more folks to get.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
On the list.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Absolutely, and we've we've got to mention this list. So
it's the term the list has become shorthand, right for
an alleged list of clients participating in the sexual abuse ring.
It is different, point Old made earlier, from the record
of folks who just flew on the plane. It's different
from the list of clients who purely worked with him
(32:07):
for financial dealings. It is completely possible, for instance, that
someone did, like let's say I'm a Russian oligarch and
I work with Epstein purely to launder money, but I'm
not involved with the sex stuff, so that oligarch would
still be a criminal, but just a different genre of criminal.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And maybe to be Devil's advocate. That term the list,
or this idea of this amorphous thing, it has become
a little bit of a shorthand, even in the way
that Pambondi is getting railed for, you know, acknowledging the
existence of such a list. It's on my desk, quote
unquote and then turning around and saying that no such
list exists, because the walking back of that was, oh no,
(32:48):
I was just referring to the general documentation surrounding the
case rather than the list.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, turning into a buzzword, into a thought terminating cliche.
They're trying to make the list be a thing that
can be dismissed. Accidental rhyme there. But the idea is
it's a registry with details of people, places, times, dates,
and their participation in abuse. In particular, a lot of
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people have already been proven to associated with Epstein to
one degree or another, and many of those named have
not been proven to be members of the inner circle
of abuse. Instead, it's more a case of powerful people
knowing other powerful people. But there are notable cases of
alleged abuse associated with Epstein dating back years and years.
(33:39):
I'd say the most well known right now, the one
that everybody agrees is guilty, would be Prince Andrew from
the Tribal rulers of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, because he was named by Virginia Joffrey and several others.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
And he doesn't sweat, but he sweat.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, so we know some
people don't drop pictures, some people don't sweat. You know
how it goes, Guys, it's just weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Doesn't have he was born without sweat glands. Yeah, everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
This because when I think about the list, I think
about the security cameras that are known to have been
in the residences of Jeffrey Epstein. In all of them,
he had a lot of security cameras, and you know
what he probably did. He probably recorded a lot of
that footage on those security cameras. When I imagine the list,
(34:32):
I imagine people who went in to certain rooms and
then came out of certain rooms with certain people, and
I imagine that being officially the list.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It's not video of what went down in the rooms themselves.
Pervy type dudes like that. You know, he's got cameras everywhere.
I just have no.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Doubt, one hundred percent. I'm thinking, well, we know he
had heavily surveilled the interiors of his residencies. That's exactly
what I'm talking about with the idea that all this,
all this hardware disappeared each time the authorities investigated. Just
it's gone, and there had to be there had to
(35:12):
be stuff on there. There have been also some pieces
of video footage emerging that are intensely troubling and obviously
weren't talking about people being on a list or you know,
a blackmail registry of compromised folks, the one everybody in
(35:35):
the US is wondering about. As the President of the
United States, Donald Trump perhaps most famous as being the
guy who is briefly in home alone too.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, he helped. He helped little Kevin find the lobby.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
This is the heart of the matter, right because, as
we said, the current administration championed the idea of finally
exposing powerful, invidious criminals, draining the swap, clearing up out
the shady backroom politics, the wasteful spending. They said, were
also going to expose the truth about this possible cover up.
(36:08):
But it does, Yeah, but it does. It doesn't appear.
It's it's okay, it's it's gonna be really tasteful. God,
look up a picture of it. Look up the look
up the gold toilets as well. I would say that
we had Look, regardless how you feel, folks, the Make
(36:30):
America Great Again movement in its heyday had this enormous
support and enormous momentum. The lot of the support for
investigating the Epstein stuff came from came from decision makers
and influencers in the mag of movement, and was tied
(36:52):
to the context of Pizzagate, the belief that a secret
kabul of very powerful people were involved in a separate
sexual abuse and trafficking ring.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, and it was all Democrats and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
It happened to all be Democrats. Right at this point, now,
the once ardent support for the current presidential administration is
waning in that sphere because a lot of former and
current supporters, some of whom are deeply identified with the
MAGA movement, some who are simply more conservative leaning people.
(37:26):
They're questioning that. Even if they weren't originally questioning the
Epstein investigation, now they're questioning the weird signals the administration
is sending out about it, you know. But the president
himself is saying, we don't talk about this, talk about
this other thing. We're going to release this uff. Oh,
we're not going to release it. Oh, Jeffrey and I
(37:48):
were good friends. Oh, I didn't know him that well.
It turns out he was never that big at life
or whatever that quote was remember that one.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, guys, it's really making me. All of this
is making me feel really really bad for Dan Bongino,
because that's that's one of these dudes who felt all
of these things, push for all these things, finally finds
himself in this position and he's it seems to me
like he's having to work around whatever roadblocks are getting
(38:18):
put in his way, and he has to just pretend
like this is what it is and everything's okay, and
everything's fine, don't look over here. But that dude was
one pushing for all of this stuff. I don't know
that it makes it genuinely makes me feel bad for
that guy.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah, And if anything, there's a parable we see in
this in this regard or a takeaway telling people there's
nothing to see here rarely does anything other than inspire deeper,
more frenzied investigation. This leads us to the following note.
You know, nothing exists in a vacuum. Whatever we may
(38:55):
personally believe, the official statements coming from the US government
hold a pattern of contradiction, sometimes between their own sources
and agencies. What on earth is happening? You know, we'd
love to hear your thoughts folks, for better or worse,
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twenty twenty five updates. So folks, if you are just
(00:50):
hearing this, please please please do yourself a favor. Pause,
stop the tape, rewind to part one and listen through.
Promise this will make a lot more sense. And we
haven't futzed with the original recording.
Speaker 4 (01:05):
Pay no attention to that missing forty five seconds in there.
Nothing to see.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Oh yeah, yeah yeah. Just do us a favor, take
a screen capture of all of this, and then at
some point stitch two of those together and then just
release it to the public.
Speaker 5 (01:21):
And even better, make a book where you write weirdly
cryptic notes to all of us. Tune in for our
Epstein update Saga continuing as we speak in media arrests.
Let's dive in enter Galaine Maxwell. So this all the
(01:47):
stuff we're talking about, these crazy statements, or by crazy
we mean self contradictory statements, This public distrust of those statements,
as well as institutions, artifact like the tape, or various
documents that have or have not been messed with. All
this is happening as the story of Glain Maxwell unfolds.
(02:09):
And as we mentioned, she was longtime close partner of Epstein's.
She is provably aided in his heinous crimes. She was.
Let's see, she was convicted in December of twenty twenty one,
sentenced to twenty years of incarceration, and ever since then,
her legal team has been fighting to either mitigate her
(02:29):
sentence or just maybe, as we all heard, secure a
presidential pardon. Yuck.
Speaker 4 (02:37):
Sorry, Yeah, the fact that that's even on the table is.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
Bizarre, right, right, And there's been a lot of I
feel like there's been more reporting about presidential pardons now
than we typically see at this point in any presidential administration,
because usually you'll see a rath the pardons sail out
(03:02):
right at the end of a presidential administration. Right, it's
like my last week is potus, let me pardon or
commute the sentences of as many people as I like,
right because now there aren't going to be campaign consequences
for me. So it feels a little bit unusual to
see so much visible news about the possibility of pardons
(03:25):
this early in an administration. Ghalaide Maxwell had been repeatedly
denied bail because honestly, this is a super sketchy individual.
The finances are so obscure, you guys, She's okay at hiding,
though I think people are making more of that than
they should. She did some not smart things when she
(03:50):
was trying to escape the law, and she was hiding
with some former British military as security guards. But did
you guys hear about how she attempted to her phone
with tinfoil?
Speaker 4 (04:02):
Yeah, we didn't have a set on how that doesn't
work super well.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Yeah, well yeah.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
The latest things coming out about her that she and
her attorneys are trying to do is to lean on
this this deal that Epstein made, right, or the deal
that was made with Epstein. Let's say that stated that
they couldn't prosecute anybody else there was any of Epstein's
(04:29):
associates like they was a deal that said you cannot
do that, and now she's trying. She and her attorneys
are trying to use that as leverage to get out
of everything.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Which the attorneys should right because this is happening with
a this kind of a spaghetti the wall approach for
some of the legal proceedings.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Well, that's just a reminder to say that some a
lot of people were being protected by the Justice Department
when they made that deal with Epstein.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
The first time, right when they set that precedent. Yeah, agreed.
If we back up, one of the big reasons that
Gilai Maxwell was always denied bail once apprehended is because
authorities are worried that she might pull up Polanski if
she makes it to France. France will not extradite. And
(05:16):
when I said plan skin, I'm meaning Roman Polansky, the
disgraced filmmaker.
Speaker 4 (05:21):
Yeah. Yes, I made some bangers, but not a great guy,
it would seem. No.
Speaker 5 (05:28):
In the wake of all these new revelations, this growing tension,
and some really bizarre statements from the US government and
the president himself, Gilain Maxwell's legal team trebled their efforts
to get a deal and started making progress. But before
we go into that, why don't we talk about some
of those statements, not just you know, not just recent
(05:51):
statements in press conferences, not just the oh my gosh
where he's still talking about Epstein's stuff, but also discovered
statements writing from the past. I'm thinking particularly about the
the book that Maxwell had made for Jeffrey Epstein's birthday,
(06:11):
birthday book, the Birthday Book wherein now President the current
president denies this. But the story is that in that
book there is a drawing of a nude woman with
the autograph of the president where the pubic hair would be,
(06:32):
and then a message contained within the silhouette the drawing
of the woman that is just severely creepy. And we
can actually go ahead and read this message if we
haven't read it on air in full.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Was it it may make each day? May each day
be another delicious secret? Or it's something like that.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
Okay, this is this is pretty nuts. We're just going
to do it as a straight view. But it's a dialogue,
and this is one of many messages in the book. Voiceover,
there must be more to life than having everything. The
note began, Donald, Yes there is, but I won't tell
you what it is, Jeffrey, nor will I, since I
also know what it is. Donald. We have certain things
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in common, Jeffrey. Jeffrey, Yes, we do, come to think
of it, Donald, Enigma's never age. Have you noticed that, Jeffrey.
As a matter of fact, it was clear to me
the last time I saw you. And this is where
we get to the very creepy part that Noel you
mentioned here. I'm laughing out of being uncomfortable. By the way,
(07:39):
Trump a pal is a wonderful thing. Happy birthday, and
may every day be another wonderful secret.
Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yeh, yeh, yeh talking about how enigmas never age.
Speaker 5 (07:52):
Oh right, have you noticed that? And this was first
revealed by a journalists at the Wall Street Journal, and
when asked about this, the President denied having ever done
this and specifically said, I never wrote a picture in my.
Speaker 4 (08:12):
Life, no picture. But we know that he does. He
loves big, big, chunky markers. He often draws on diagrams
and things in public settings, and it's a thing that
he's done. You can unearth easily any number of little
doodles that he's done over the years. And the Wall
Street Journal, by the way, owned by Rupert Murdoch.
Speaker 5 (08:31):
Yes, Fox fame, and they're beefed up right now. Artial context. Well,
if it takes too long in the courts, then mister
Murdoch may not be alive to see it, because he
is well into his nineties at this point. We do
know also, yes, to be fair, people when speaking extemporaneously
(08:52):
can misspeak. They might get something factually incorrect, you know,
they might misremember something they or misstated. But this explicit
denial seems pretty pretty past that threshold of error. And
there are many, many more people in the book because
(09:13):
Glene Maxwell had asked a lot of Epstein associates to
contribute to this. It's like a scrapbook of fan mail.
Speaker 4 (09:21):
And there's like a manifest practically, isn't there like a
bibliography or a table of contents that's also floating around
out there with other names. And Trump is most assuredly
on that.
Speaker 5 (09:31):
Dershowitz is in one. There are a lot of politicians,
or Dershowitz wrote one, I should say there are a
lot of other politicians, titans of industry types. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
Yeah. On August fifth, the New York Times published a
huge troph and it includes personal messages from people like
Woody Allen, as well as the former Prime Minister of
Israel at hud Barak and his wife about how there's
no limit to your curiosity. They stated, you are like
a closed book to men, any of them, but you
know everything about everyone. And they described him as a
(10:04):
collector of people. They said, may you enjoy long and
healthy life, and may all of us your friends enjoy
your table for many more years to come. Noam Chomsky
was hanging out with him. Yeah, like no other billionaire
moguls like Mortimer Zuckerman, Lawrence M.
Speaker 5 (10:25):
Krause.
Speaker 3 (10:26):
We're telling people from MIT, people who headed MIT, people
who headed Harvard, like Martin Noa. It's like, it's insane
the number of people that wrote in this twenty sixteen
sixty third birthday thing, and just.
Speaker 5 (10:41):
As about me five.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Exactly. And just to say, y'all, I mean Rupert Murdoch
being I guess you know, obviously this guy who wants
to make money overall, but you know, has historically been
a bit of a Trump booster, at least in terms
of his big properties, being so behind Trump and all
his political activities. Do you really think he would thumbs
up the release of a thing like that if it
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hadn't been vetted six ways to Sunday.
Speaker 1 (11:07):
No.
Speaker 5 (11:07):
I think that's why the administration assigned beat Me or
Dylon a ton of FBI operators to scour documents for
any mention of Trump, of the like the literal word
trump before they're released to the public. I also want
to share, just to get a bigger sense of this, folks,
I want to share one of the poems in the
(11:28):
book from Leon Black, a billionaire of note this wait.
Speaker 4 (11:35):
Leon Black from Curb Your Enthusiasm. No, sorry, that's his
literal name in the show.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
That's really funny. Sorry, that's good. No, not that Leon Black.
Differently on Black, billionaire who wrote a poem for Epstein
on his birthday that said, the following blonde, red or
brunette spread out geographically with this net of fish. Jeff's
now the old man and the sea dude even more
on the nose, on the noise and on the nose.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Yeah, dude, Woody Allen on the twenty sixteen one. So
they're two. Just everybody is aware. There's a two thousand
and three fiftieth birthday card that is the Trump one,
and then there's twenty sixteen sixty third birthday. Wait there,
I say that twice their fiftieth and sixty third birthdays.
But Woody Allen in the sixty third birthday one I'm
(12:26):
gonna read directly from some reporting out of The Guardian
by Anna Betts. This was published on August fifth. This
is from Woody Allen. He notes that the parties included
quote politicians, scientists, teachers, magicians, comedians, intellectuals, journalists, and even royalty.
And he describes the dinners as quote well served. And
(12:48):
then he goes on He says, I say well served.
Often it's by some professional houseman, and just as often
by several young women who remind him of Castle Dracula,
where Agosi has three young female vampires who service the place.
Speaker 4 (13:04):
That's not the only thing they're servicing.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
Yeah, and there are a lot of messages that I
don't know. I think the poem especially, and the statement
that Trump denies writing, along with several others, they're past
the point of reading Tea leaves right, They're past the
point of confirmation bias. Just to be clear, there are
(13:31):
other things in there that seem like they're just saying
happy birthday to some powerful guy.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
For sure, I mean, he's he's just got a framed
dollar bill that's signed by Bill Gates with a message
I was wrong. What's that about Bill.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
Paying back on a bed or something like that. I
don't know. There's a lot of smoke y'all.
Speaker 5 (13:50):
Yeah, and so we I wanted to mention these things,
also in step with again more bizarre statements or denials
from the President that sometimes to critics look like guilty
dog Bark's first kind of situations. All of this occurring
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while the Maxwell team is attempting to negotiate a better deal,
whether that be a mitigation of a sentence or dismissal
or pardon entirely, they are making progress. On July twenty
third of this year, Maxwell was subpoena to testify to
Congress under oath about her involvement with Epstein. Her legal
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team demanded full immunity from any additional prosecution for doing so.
Speaker 4 (14:37):
Epstein is dead. What is the deal? Who does this
benefit in terms of the the the justice of it all?
Because the like you get a community deal because you
do you turn other people in, or you get like,
you know, you help with the outcome of a case.
I mean, I just don't understand what she has to
offer that benefits anybody but bad people who don't want
(15:00):
the light to be shown on them.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
That's the thing. No, if they if Congress subpoenaed her
successfully and she responded under oath to questions about possible
Trump involvement with Epstein, then the target would become Donald
Trump for the congressional investigation. That's the that's the that's
(15:24):
the concerner. That's the hypothetical chess game people are playing
out in their heads.
Speaker 3 (15:30):
Well, it's because the pieces are falling together here, guys.
The weird statements coming out from Trump connect things together
that shouldn't be connected together. We just talked on strange
News about Virginia Jeoffrey who died allegedly by suicide in
April and spaw employee spa employee at Mara a Lago. Yes,
(15:50):
spat employee at Mara a Lago that.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
Was stolen quote unquote yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
And you have a sitting president who says I have
the best spat uh. And by the way, she had
no complaints about us whatsoever. Talking directly about Virginia Jeoffrey,
a person who was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein, who
just died in April.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
No empathy, no statements being you know, a heart going
out to the family, all just you know, I'm I
didn't know wrong, I'm innocent.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
If this was a true investigation, there is a direct
connection from mar A Lago to the island that Jeffrey
Epstein was doing a lot of stuff on, to the
properties that he was doing this stuff on with people
who were workers of spas to Dan.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
And they were down the street by the way Epstein
and mar A Lago.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
Yep So, I mean, that's why this won't go away.
That's why all this is happening, because it's if you're
we're all kind of having to be investigators, just as
the public watching this go down.
Speaker 4 (16:51):
There's a version of this with the mar A Lago spies.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
A pipeline most certainly is hold the phone, folks, mysterious
phone called jokes aside. We'll take a word from our
sponsor and we'll be right back and we've returned. Okay.
So going back to the excellent question you had there
(17:16):
and all about like quibono, who does it benefit who
does it harm? The reason the reason Maxwell would logically
demand immunity from any additional prosecution is a safeguard mechanism, really,
and there's something interesting that occurred immediately after, and I
(17:39):
want to make sure we don't lose this. So this
is the point we're getting at. It's July twenty third,
when that subpoena occurs. The US attorney Todd Blanche interviews
Maxwell pretty much immediately privately the next day, July twenty
fourth and July twenty fifth, Like that is one of
(17:59):
the fastest movements of sicking, you know, sick in the
hound dogs that we've seen in a while.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And no conflict adventures there, right, I.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
Mean, yeah, no, just because Todd happened to work closely.
He was in the neighborhood and with right with with
the current president before he was the president, and then
he got appointed, probably due to his loyalty to the
current administration. And then yeah, this guy just happened to
have those days free, right, still pop in? Yeah, right,
(18:30):
just to check it. We don't know the substance of
the interview, by the way, We don't know what they discussed,
but they talked for a while, and we do know
that as a result, very likely as a result of
whatever the substance of their conversation, was Gleigh. Maxwell was
transferred on August first from FCI Tallahassee. That's where she
(18:51):
was being held, to a posh minimum security facility named
the Brian Federal Prison Camp. This is comparatively cushy, you know.
When you look at the rest of the US justice
system or incarceration system, this would be called club med
or club fed in some circles. It is commonly regarded
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as at one of the absolute best federal prisons, and
there is no legal precedent for Maxwell getting shipped over there,
especially as a convicted sex offender.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
I think it goes without saying that none of this
is like political mudslinging in any way, shape or form.
This stuff is just like it's the very nature of
the concept of conspiracy and conspiracy theories all aligning in
this like perfect storm, and there's no two ways about it.
It's happening before our very eyes. I just think I
don't mean to be labor that point, but I just
do think it maybe bears repeating.
Speaker 5 (19:46):
Yeah, like the White Stripe said, it's also quickly, like
the White Stripe said, we're hitting on facts here, folks,
even though this is the here's where it gets crazy part.
Of our episodes. This is historically unusual, unprecedented for an
offender like Maxwell to be moved to the Brian Federal
(20:06):
prison camp. And when when the administration was asked about
this transfer and how unusual it was, they said there
was no preferential treatment involved. This is a routine occurrence.
It is, by the way, not this.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Is None of this is routine. You don't do an
interview like that.
Speaker 4 (20:26):
Revisiting after the fact, right this person's been convicted. There's
no what's the point, sorry, Matt, I'm so set.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
It's just that there's too many things to remark on
the fact that there were no other law enforcement officials
or Justice Department officials there when this interview was going
down between somebody who used to personally represent the president
and a person who is going to be a cooperating witness.
You have nobody else in the room.
Speaker 5 (20:52):
That's insane, And what's in the box when we walk
out like this is where we find another set of
questions and agreed in saying, first, what does Maxwell know,
As we talked about in our earlier Epstein series, does
she possibly have a dead man switch? A dead man
switch in this situation would be some kind of arrangement,
(21:14):
or think of it as an insurance policy saying I
will release damning evidence to the press, to investigators who
are not compromised as human, and to lawyers if things
don't go by way, or if I die. That's what
we were wondering whether Jeffrey Epstein himself had Also will
(21:35):
there be a possibility of a pardon, a commutation, something
even more extreme than relocating to a nicer facility. A
lot of analysts say this would be political suicide for
politicians or officials involved, and there's some validity in claiming that.
But then it gets to the third thing that a
(21:56):
lot of people aren't really talking about in mainstream media coverage,
and that's the allegations of Maxwell and Epstein being somehow
involved with intelligence operations, you know, and a lot of
the a lot of the red stream there draws back
to Galam Maxwell's father, Robert Maxwell, newspaper tycoon, fraudster, politician.
Speaker 4 (22:17):
Isn't their connection with Israeli intelligence? That's a big one, right, Yeah,
with Robert Maxwell for sure. Yes, his own death remains mysterious.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
By the way, I don't know what do you guys
think about We talked about this previously. I don't want
to necessarily re litigate it, but what do we think?
I'm interested in your opinions on whether there's any sands
to the intelligence operation allegations here.
Speaker 4 (22:43):
I'm curious to know what that would look like like.
This is this honey pot type operation stuff flake? What
are we talking here?
Speaker 3 (22:50):
I think guys, in our previous conversations, we pretty much proved,
at least you know, from a common sense perspective that
this type of activity where there's clearly illegal activity occurring.
You know, just the fact that there are underage women
there who have already come forward. Right, there's illegal activity happening.
(23:11):
To implicate any one of these powerful people in any
way connected to that activity would be to have a
little bit of control over them.
Speaker 4 (23:20):
Right.
Speaker 3 (23:21):
What is compromat for? To make sure the people that
you have compromat on do that you want them to do.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
Yeh.
Speaker 3 (23:28):
And this I think it is one hundred percent comp
This is my opinion, one hundred percent of compromat operation.
Speaker 4 (23:35):
It was it.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
I think that Epstein and Maxwell were controlled or handled
by someone or some group, and that what they did
is they collected all of these people. They're literally a
quote collector of people, and they would get dirt on
them and then hold it. And then any time one
of these people was going to get out of line,
you could pull that up and say, or just remind them,
(23:58):
just with a little wink in a nod, Hey remember
that time we spent a little Saint James. Oh yeah,
Now you've got them under control.
Speaker 4 (24:06):
And that speaks to the dead man's switch. Yes, yes,
like that's the the unloading of choice members of that collective.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Well, and it's also imagine I imagine someone reminding them
by leaking stuff to you know, these outlets.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
And somebody's got to take the fall in the public
eye of all of this. We need a body behind
bars who was tied to it. Epstein's now dead. We
got to keep her happy to some degree.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
Or we need a distraction. Yeah. I'm very much on
the same page with you guys. Opinions. Is it okay
if I give mine as well? Yeah? Think all right,
So I think that's here's what I think. Uh So,
I think in line with that with Dove telling, Yeah,
in the research we're seeing, we're seeing definitely this this
(24:57):
similar pattern. It's not just the idea of compromat and blackmail.
It's also the idea of paying for access into the
inner circle, committing an act so that you do have
this compromise on me, right, And I think I think
it occurs also in the realm of financial stuff. The
(25:21):
sexual abuse is horrific and unclean and will always grab
headlines no matter what the alleged perpetrators tried to do
to stop that.
Speaker 4 (25:31):
But there's some dirty deals on the books as well.
Speaker 5 (25:34):
Fan Yeah, again al Capone and tax evasion. You know
what I mean, because Capone did a couple of other
things as well, but tax evasion was what he got
nailed on. So the idea here is goes into something
that doesn't get talked about as much, which is financial
compromise and control perhaps occurring in step with this. It
(25:56):
all adds up, right, It's it's bigger than hip hop.
As dead Press was wont to say, I don't know,
it's it's intensely unclear what's going to happen next. With
Galay Maxwell, I appreciate that point, all about the possibility
of a fall guy, someone to sew up the news
story so the public can wipe their hands of it
(26:18):
and move on to the next thing. But we also
we also know that could be another distraction, you know,
the way.
Speaker 4 (26:26):
They can pardon her. It just it collapsed, I mean,
if they did, the amount of dirt or whatever. I mean,
the weighing of those options, it just seems like political
suicide given what's going on, to pardon this person.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
But who honestly, right now where we sit on today, Monday,
August eleventh, who is going to do anything about it
if they pardon her? Who could do anything when he's
a lame.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Duck president, So there is no political political suicide isn't
even in the picture.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
Ill yeah, in the current structure of the US government,
which might also be up for debate.
Speaker 4 (27:04):
Which might be twisted your haimbers, right, Ben.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
But if she gets pardoned, guess where she's head and France. So,
like you know, it's one of those things. I fear
that it's one of those things where because there are
so many people in charge right now that are attached
to this thing, so many powerful people that still live
who are attached to this thing. She will get pardoned,
(27:28):
or she will she won't be living for much longer,
and that'll just be done, and they'll try and put
it to bed again.
Speaker 5 (27:36):
And then Also, if we exercise some game theory from
the Maxwell legal perspective, there may be certain public signals
you have to send. But there may also be, especially
now that we've relocated to the Posh prison camp, there
may be a reason to slow foot some of this
(27:57):
stuff because want a sustainable situation was to survive, right,
And in this case, if even a fraction of the
stuff that we are pretty convinced is true is true, then, folks,
fellow conspiracy realist, Maxwell is only alive so long as
there is a use to that individual. And if there's
(28:21):
some information provided that makes that individual no longer useful,
then anything can happen, you know what I mean? Their
third story windows all throughout the country, so and even
in France, right, I think that's that's the scary thing.
We're talking about, a very long reach here you can
get touched, and its past extradition.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
Yeah, sorry, getting touched in this context.
Speaker 5 (28:48):
I didn't even think about that.
Speaker 4 (28:49):
Ye think, it's just where my head's at. It's it's
twisted stuff.
Speaker 3 (28:53):
And before we move on, let's take a word from
our sponsor and we'll be right back. And where you're back,
I want to bring up the phone call one more time,
just because I think it's super important to everything that occurred,
and I think it speaks to everything we're talking about
right now. That weird thing where one of the last
(29:16):
actions that Jeffrey Epstein took is that he was going
he needed to make a phone call, and he was
allowed to make an unmonitored call from a shower area
using a phone line that was intended only for attorney communications.
So attorney client privileged stuff, right. Nobody gets to listen
to this conversation, according to the LA. Yes, according to
(29:40):
the official report, the unit manager there in the Department
of Corrections, the senior officer in charge, made this thing
happen for Epstein. Epstein said he wanted to call his mother.
His mother died in two thousand and three, you guys,
this is twenty nineteen. He said he needed to call
his mother. So the unit manager dial a New York
(30:00):
City area code. A man answered, and then he handed
this phone to Jeffrey Epstein. The unit manager left Jeffrey
Epstein alone in the shower area. Jeff talked to whoever
this person was, and then later the unit manager had
to call the corrections officer Noel, her last name's TVA
Noel is her name, called that person and said, hey,
(30:22):
I need to get that phone back. But whatever, Like
anything could have been said on that phone call, right,
but that is one of those crazy things that was
allowed to happen, and it was one of the last
actions that he took. When I'm thinking about things like
a dead hand switch and things like that, I just
imagined that that phone call probably had way more significance
than we'll ever know.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
And that reminds me also of the the two day
interview process that delayed Maxwell encountered that we just mentioned.
Because started looking into Maxwell, who could be an episode
all her own, we've uncovered a lot more questions about
her careers as socialite. Her philanthropy of particular interest is
(31:04):
something called the Tara Marr Project, something she co created
NGO focused on protecting the oceans. Sounds pretty innocuous. She
gave a ted X talk on this, I think in
twenty fourteen. She attended the United Nations a couple times
to talk about this. The concern public isn't asking too
(31:24):
many questions about our philanthropic ties just yet, but I
believe the concerned public should. Yeah. Instead, they're wondering whether
she has access to this client list.
Speaker 3 (31:36):
Well, it's a good way to get her in a
room with a lot of important people, right, do a
ted talk, Go to the United Nations those there are
more folks to get.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
On the list.
Speaker 5 (31:46):
Absolutely, and we've we've got to mention this list. So
it's the term the list has become shorthand, right for
an alleged list of clients participating in the sexual abuse ring.
It is different, point Old made earlier, from the record
of folks who just flew on the plane. It's different
from the list of clients who purely worked with him
(32:07):
for financial dealings. It is completely possible, for instance, that
someone did, like let's say I'm a Russian oligarch and
I work with Epstein purely to launder money, but I'm
not involved with the sex stuff, so that oligarch would
still be a criminal, but just a different genre of criminal.
Speaker 4 (32:27):
And maybe to be Devil's advocate. That term the list,
or this idea of this amorphous thing, it has become
a little bit of a shorthand, even in the way
that Pambondi is getting railed for, you know, acknowledging the
existence of such a list. It's on my desk, quote
unquote and then turning around and saying that no such
list exists, because the walking back of that was, oh no,
(32:48):
I was just referring to the general documentation surrounding the
case rather than the list.
Speaker 5 (32:55):
Yeah, turning into a buzzword, into a thought terminating cliche.
They're trying to make the list be a thing that
can be dismissed. Accidental rhyme there. But the idea is
it's a registry with details of people, places, times, dates,
and their participation in abuse. In particular, a lot of
(33:18):
people have already been proven to associated with Epstein to
one degree or another, and many of those named have
not been proven to be members of the inner circle
of abuse. Instead, it's more a case of powerful people
knowing other powerful people. But there are notable cases of
alleged abuse associated with Epstein dating back years and years.
(33:39):
I'd say the most well known right now, the one
that everybody agrees is guilty, would be Prince Andrew from
the Tribal rulers of the United Kingdom.
Speaker 3 (33:54):
Yeah, because he was named by Virginia Joffrey and several others.
Speaker 5 (33:58):
And he doesn't sweat, but he sweat.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, so we know some
people don't drop pictures, some people don't sweat. You know
how it goes, Guys, it's just weird stuff.
Speaker 4 (34:08):
Doesn't have he was born without sweat glands. Yeah, everybody knows.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
This because when I think about the list, I think
about the security cameras that are known to have been
in the residences of Jeffrey Epstein. In all of them,
he had a lot of security cameras, and you know
what he probably did. He probably recorded a lot of
that footage on those security cameras. When I imagine the list,
(34:32):
I imagine people who went in to certain rooms and
then came out of certain rooms with certain people, and
I imagine that being officially the list.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
It's not video of what went down in the rooms themselves.
Pervy type dudes like that. You know, he's got cameras everywhere.
I just have no.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Doubt, one hundred percent. I'm thinking, well, we know he
had heavily surveilled the interiors of his residencies. That's exactly
what I'm talking about with the idea that all this,
all this hardware disappeared each time the authorities investigated. Just
it's gone, and there had to be there had to
(35:12):
be stuff on there. There have been also some pieces
of video footage emerging that are intensely troubling and obviously
weren't talking about people being on a list or you know,
a blackmail registry of compromised folks, the one everybody in
(35:35):
the US is wondering about. As the President of the
United States, Donald Trump perhaps most famous as being the
guy who is briefly in home alone too.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Yeah, he helped. He helped little Kevin find the lobby.
Speaker 5 (35:47):
This is the heart of the matter, right because, as
we said, the current administration championed the idea of finally
exposing powerful, invidious criminals, draining the swap, clearing up out
the shady backroom politics, the wasteful spending. They said, were
also going to expose the truth about this possible cover up.
(36:08):
But it does, Yeah, but it does. It doesn't appear.
It's it's okay, it's it's gonna be really tasteful. God,
look up a picture of it. Look up the look
up the gold toilets as well. I would say that
we had Look, regardless how you feel, folks, the Make
(36:30):
America Great Again movement in its heyday had this enormous
support and enormous momentum. The lot of the support for
investigating the Epstein stuff came from came from decision makers
and influencers in the mag of movement, and was tied
(36:52):
to the context of Pizzagate, the belief that a secret
kabul of very powerful people were involved in a separate
sexual abuse and trafficking ring.
Speaker 3 (37:02):
Yeah, and it was all Democrats and.
Speaker 5 (37:04):
It happened to all be Democrats. Right at this point, now,
the once ardent support for the current presidential administration is
waning in that sphere because a lot of former and
current supporters, some of whom are deeply identified with the
MAGA movement, some who are simply more conservative leaning people.
(37:26):
They're questioning that. Even if they weren't originally questioning the
Epstein investigation, now they're questioning the weird signals the administration
is sending out about it, you know. But the president
himself is saying, we don't talk about this, talk about
this other thing. We're going to release this uff. Oh,
we're not going to release it. Oh, Jeffrey and I
(37:48):
were good friends. Oh, I didn't know him that well.
It turns out he was never that big at life
or whatever that quote was remember that one.
Speaker 3 (37:56):
Yeah, yeah, guys, it's really making me. All of this
is making me feel really really bad for Dan Bongino,
because that's that's one of these dudes who felt all
of these things, push for all these things, finally finds
himself in this position and he's it seems to me
like he's having to work around whatever roadblocks are getting
(38:18):
put in his way, and he has to just pretend
like this is what it is and everything's okay, and
everything's fine, don't look over here. But that dude was
one pushing for all of this stuff. I don't know
that it makes it genuinely makes me feel bad for
that guy.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Yeah, And if anything, there's a parable we see in
this in this regard or a takeaway telling people there's
nothing to see here rarely does anything other than inspire deeper,
more frenzied investigation. This leads us to the following note.
You know, nothing exists in a vacuum. Whatever we may
(38:55):
personally believe, the official statements coming from the US government
hold a pattern of contradiction, sometimes between their own sources
and agencies. What on earth is happening? You know, we'd
love to hear your thoughts folks, for better or worse,
this does appear to be the stuff they don't want
you to know. We want to hear from you. Thanks
(39:15):
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