October 2, 2025 • 49 mins
Happy Rutabaga Day. In this week's listener mail segment, Ben, Matt and Dylan learn about the plans to finally take the sun down a notch. Insight on Savannah, Georgia. All this and more as the gang hurtles toward the end of the year.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 2 (00:12):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Our colleague Noel is on an international adventure, a man
of mystery, but he will be returning shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer,
Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. No, no, no, I'm doing live
echoes here, Matt. It's our listener mail program. If you
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are tuning in the evening it public, then let us
welcome you to Oh my gosh, October second, Matt, that's
true October second.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, it will be when your ears can hear that
it's October second.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But when it's publishing. We're recording on the twenty ninth
of September.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Our faces are still in September.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, our faces are still in September. But what is time?
What happens after humans? That's an episode we cannot wait
to explore together.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, we're going to explore it no matter what you
know when we live it, but you know it'll be
fan to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But will humans be will humans be living it? If
it's after humans?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well we're going to live the part where right up
until you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Everybody the world is ending for someone every day, right
and it's continuing. It reminds me of that wh Auden
poem about the old Masters.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, and we've got like ten years max left, so
sorry everybody. Yep, Nah, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm a fan of man Kevin. I think I think
something will soldier on, but I have always been accused
of optimism. We're going to hear some pretty cool stuff.
I think we're excited, Matt. Why don't we flip it
a little bit? Do you want to do? You want
to have us pause for a word from our sponsors
and then maybe get to a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Ah, that would be wonderful. And we've returned and this
is just a quick check with our Tennessee pal. Are
there any Ruda begas on the menu today?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Spring has come to Scotland and that means one thing VanNess.
He's a swimming through the waters of luckness with the babies.
These crypted. Mothers are trying to feed the hungry new Bole,
and that means getting closer to the shoreline. Although Messi's
are aquatic animals, they're also herbivores and spend much of
their time searching for suitable food on the nearby land,
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using their long next to survey the ground from the water.
It looks like this mother has found something worth investigating.
She pools and chews, and yes, Messi has found sustenance
for her young She has stuck up a route.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Baker, love it. Oh, thank you Werner Herzog.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
How is that music so perfect for that thing?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Like Dylan is a phenomenal musician. Uh, Dylan personally knows
Donnie Laboy.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Okay, that's it. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh my god, Okay, thank you so much, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, let's stay on the rude Bega train for a
moment and hear a message from Proud. We've heard from
Proud before. He told us some family stories about the
awesome things his family is up to, and we gave
him shout out. How Proud is calling back with some
more adventures.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Hello, gentlemen, I've contacted you before under the name Proud.
I spent a long weekend in your fair state. Only
I was in Savannah and it's beautiful. We went to
a ray Face museum. This a true crime museum. And
we also went to Missus Wilkes's Banning Room, which is
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a restaurant and we waited outside for over an hour
to get in and there's no menu. They just serve
your food and the food was amazing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Gar We go over there and one of the dishes
that I was served that I'd never had before was
fru debate is never had a rootbab before. Did not
recognize the dish. I had to pull server aside and
mask her what it was. And it was delicious. I
don't know how they cooked it. I imagined this well
this is but it was amazing and they made me think.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You guys so.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Uh yeah a long time listen and uh keep up
his work. Love you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Bye Ah, Proud hanging out in Savannah. Ben, you've spent
some time in Savannah. Have you ever visited the Wilkes House?
You or Dylan?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm aware of it for sure, but I haven't been there. Proud,
Thank you so much for reaching out. Savannah is a
fascinating town, so pass it to you, Dylan, have you
visited this Wilkes place.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I haven't, but I have been the grave Face Museum.
One of my best friends used to work there. Shout
out Ian, and the owner's name is Ryan Graveface.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What shout out to Ryan, Ryan?
Speaker 7 (05:47):
That's the owner's name, Ryan Graveface.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, Holy Mackerel. Okay, So uh well, let's maybe let's
start there. Then Dylan tell us about that place, because
I've never been there. I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It's it's like an oddities museum. So great Face is
also a record label, and they've they've reprinted like the
Unsolved Mystery soundtrack and stuff like that. They do a
lot of spooky stuff, but their owner also has a
lot of John Wayne Gacy's paintings.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh yeah, crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've seen this. I did not
know the proprietor's name, but I've I've encountered that museum
as well. Folks, we are huge fans of very specific
museums as well as reference works, and do check out Proud.
I think if you haven't heard it yet, I think
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you will maybe enjoys not the right word, but I
think you will be fascinated with our earlier episode on
the Dilemmas of serial killer memorabilia. That was a that
was a dark one, but an important one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, it's weird to have that kind of collection, but
I suppose people would want to go in and check
it out. I think curiosity might catch me if I
walked past it and found out it was in there,
which I'm not particularly proud about. Maybe, but that's okay,
that's okay. I would be interested for sure. In the
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Wilkes House, guys, this was a boarding house in historic
downtown Savannah that got converted into a family style dining
situation where you basically wait for a table for a
long time at least Corny Proud and everything else that
I'm seeing online. Then you go inside and you get
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served whatever they're.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Cooking, right. Yeah, it's like going to a fancy sushi
restaurant in that you don't get a menu. You get
what they decide to give you, right. Oh, then you
get a bill at the end. And that's that's an
interesting approach. And I remember hearing about it from some
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friends who went to Savannah College of Art and Design
or SCAD as we call it in this part of
the world, and it's a local legend, and honestly, Proud,
you're very fortunate to have been able to get in.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's definitely one of those things if
you're not on a list somewhere, you're just gonna hang
for a while. Hopefully they've updated with some kind of
you know, those new things you can get where you
get put on a list and then you'll get a
text like, hey, it's coming up five minutes, so you
can at least walk away from the restaurant for a
bit and check out the rest of historic downtown Savannah,
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which we're not sponsored by yet, but knowing that Proud
got to have his first route to Bega, come on,
that's the best, even says on their website on their menu, cabbage,
snap pees, mac and cheese, butter beans, black eyed peas,
and rude of becas boom, all kinds of good stuff there. Well,
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that was very exciting to hear. We hope you enjoy
the rest of your time in Savannah and anybody else
who wants to hang out in Georgia, that's a great
place to check out if you're not heading to downtown Atlanta,
because you know, we've of course got great things here again,
not sponsored by the city of Atlanta or Savannah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Despite ongoing conversations.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, we are trying.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Real We are proudly sponsored by several places. They are.
When we say sponsored in that sense, what we mean
is they shout us out occasionally, like the local, the
one of the best. We got in trouble with the
local because we blew up the spot on the chicken wings.
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As the city continues to grow. But I think one
thing you need to know about Savannah, fellow travelers, is
that it is a complex city that carries a great
deal of historical baggage, some for good and some for ill.
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I remember one quick anecdote about Savannah. I traveled down
there because I wanted to be closer to the ocean
while I was doing this writing project. And I was
doing the thing where this will be familiar to a
lot of us, where you lock yourself in an unfamiliar
room and you kind of play submarine. You don't go
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outside until you've done your thing. And when I got there, folks,
there was a strange energy in the air over on
River Street, which is like the tourist dragline, and I
realized that everybody was planning in advance for Saint Patti's
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Day for the weekend where they would celebrate that day,
which I wasn't familiar with it being a huge thing
in the United States, but people assumed, probably because of
the way I looked, that I was so into Saint
Patti's Day, so irish or so Catholic, that I was
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getting there a week ahead. And I remember just the uh,
I'm being diplomatic here. I remember the boisterous energy that
drove me to the edge of the ocean to just
sit there and wait till dawn, because I did not
want to go back into the city late at night.
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It was two raucous people were partying so hard. So
look Saint Patty's Day in Savannah is like south By
Southwest in Austin. Just be careful, keep your wits about you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's right. While you're headed over to Poe's Tavern, which
is an Edgar Allen Poe themed tavern, which come on,
you got you gotta visit that, yeah, of course. And
also the Pirate's House that's an old standby, it's a
pirate's house, it's historic. Why not enjoy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, see if you can find the nuclear bomb still
languishing off the coast.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's over there somewhere, just hanging out down there under
the waves. Yikes. All right, well, with that, we'll be
right back after word from our sponsors with more messages
from you.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And we have returned. This is a great one.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We go through our social media correspondence, our voicemails, We
go through our emails and these things inspire episodes in
the future, which is why our listener mail segment is
so important to us. It's the best part of the show.
It's you on the air. And with that, we have
a word from SJ and Matt Dillon. I think you
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guys will find this pretty interesting. It's a response to
our episode on the Mickelson Safeguard Complex aka a super
weird Cold war pyramid with its head lopped off. Here
we go, hey fellas, feel free to use this on
air if you please. You may refer to me as DELUSIONOT.
(13:19):
Love it. SJ. You gave us the names DELUSIONOT and
SJ and Matt. I kind of like Delusionot.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Delusionot is wonderful because it feels as though you were
out there swimming in the delusion right in some kind
of way. You're out there exploring the delusion itself.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You may refer to me as delusionot. We're doing that
because in parentheses delusionot, you put insert supervillain chuckle, and
we hope we made you proud. Out. Do you have
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a good supervillain chuckle?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't know that I do. I could try. Maybe
I'll try later on randomly and we'll see if it works.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We've got a we've got a pretty good track record
on a villainous and chuckle, right, the naughty one. So
you continued delusion hot and you say, I'm listening to
our episode on the Mickelson Safeguard Complex. Talk of space
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race and weapons supremacy and nuke's got me thinking. A
question materialized. What if a nation state created a kind
of weapon whose use could be as devastating as a
nuclear explosion eventually, but something that could also be quickly undone.
The idea would be to gain control of the world's
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access to sunlight. Dylan beep me in the delusionist here, yes,
super villain me out an editorial note, Matt, I know
you're gonna love this because this is something I swear
we have talked about in the past, but I didn't hunt.
The episode down delusionart continues. You build a massive disk
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in space between the Sun and Earth. Build the disc
vertically so when seen from the ground, it would appear
as a line in the sky if visible at all.
To deploy one would geosynchronously. You anchor the disc above
the desired target and turn it sideways. This would cast
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your target into darkness. That ends when you decide to
turn the Sun back on. While not as immediate as
a nuke, it would devastate any place on the planet.
It could also be easily undone once my hour demands
have been met and there's no radioactive fallout. Also a
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fan of rods from God? Who needs explosive when you've
got mass and unhinged momentum. Just a weird idea. Cheers.
Guys called me Sjay. We talked about didn't we talk
about this? The plan to block the Sun?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah? The actual government approved and sponsored plans to develop
a system of blotting out the Sun with cloud formations,
but high above cloud formations similar to those that would
be generated in nuclear fallout. So yeah, I guess we
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could do it with clouds or, in this case, a
massive disc, which I'm kind of about could you use
that massive disc to slow down warming of certain places
and areas, maybe stop giant glaciers from melting.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Sure, that would be cool. This is also interesting to us,
delusion excellent name, because there has been a lot of
research over time into concepts like we're describing. You know,
for a lot of folks, the concept was first encountered
watching the original Matrix, right, spoilers for that one. There's
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a little bit of talk about sunshine and blocking it.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
We also interesting because you don't actually get the full
story of it unless you go to the Animatrix and
watch those right, the first couple of short films on that,
and otherwise they just kind of mentioned it, like, oh
well they decided to blot out the sky spoilers.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, that's Look, there's a lot of gnosticism and inquiries
into the nature of reality for this. But what we
need to establish here, delusionot, is that the concept that
you're describing is a doctor Doom level version of what
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is called a sunshield or space sun shade in the
way it was originally proposed by a physicist named Hermann
Oberth way way back in the day, is a protective measure,
right similar to what we're referencing with the slowing of
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glacial melts and the slowing of global warming. The space
sunshade is the idea. It's like a bootleg Dyson sphere
kind of idea. It's just one facet of a Dyson
sphere that would go between Earth and the Sun and
prevent some of that tasty, tasty, same mixtape radiation kind
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of stuff from hitting Earth, messing with the magnetosphere, messing
with the typical cyclical passage of the seasons. Space mirrors
under this concept would orbit around the Earth with a
diameter of one hundred to three hundred kilometer, as proposed
by this guy Obirth. And in this despite being phrased
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as a protective measure, in this our physicist Hermann clearly
describes the idea of focusing sunlight on some regions of
the surface and then deflecting it into space, but also
having the ability to remove sunlight from certain parts of
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the Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, yeah, I wonder how much energy you could capture
with it as well if you could find a way
to transfer said energy so you could do all the
things at once. It's a multi tool, yes, space solar
energy capture and deflection.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, and here's why I don't completely buy the protective
spin on Obirth's sunshade idea. He's kind of a super
villain himself, Matt, hmmm, the devil you say he has.
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He's kind of a paper clip guy, or he would
have been if the timing was just a little bit different.
You see, he was Austro Hungarian. He was a big
fan of Nazi Germany, to the point where he got
the war Merrit Cross in nineteen forty three. His most
notable student is returning character on the show Werner von Braun.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Oh, he's a rocket boy. Yeah, well it would make
sense if you you gotta be a rocket person if
you're imagining sending something that massive or you know, employing
something that massive in space. Wow hmm. It always reminds
you of the space elevator concept. You remember when Marshall
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Brain would talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, space elevator. And look, it takes a lot of
rocketmen to encourage, empower the exploration into the stars science. Obviously,
technology at least does not possess its own moral compass.
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But this is a fascinating character because he started building
model rockets when he was fourteen, and this was way
before it was easy to build them, you know, with
a kit you would get at a museum gift shoper online.
All to say, like the space elevator, and I enjoy
that comparison, the sunshield is possible. The problem with the
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sunshield and the problem with the space elevator is that
it would require human civilization to spend a vast amount
of time and resources to get something that probably wouldn't
work all the way. You know, I would you take
a space elevator?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Uh, you know, I think I would. I think I
would be in a space elevator is a way to
actually start some kind of capitalist movement where you could
safely send up tourists and it wouldn't cost that much money.
Once the space elevator is built on, you know, working
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and you could send up massive equipment that could then
be launched out to other places you could send you'd
have a whole other, separate section of the space elevator
that's just for the the folks who have three hundred
thousand dollars, you know, just lying around so.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You can go up into space right for a second. Maybe,
but if there's a hotel at the.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Top, that's what I'm saying, if you got a space elevator,
then hang out as much as you want.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And if you evolve past a capitalistic society, then the
real bonus points for the space elevator would be removing
most of the expense of obstacles to escaping Earth's orbit. Right,
you can solve for the problem of the weight. The
idea of the sunshade, whether it's supervillain or protective, is
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it's a pickle, it's a real bag of badgers. Because
the question becomes, will civilization decide on such an enormous,
unorthodox investment in a point of time where it is
still useful or will it be something where everything has
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gone sideways and pear shaped and savannah bananas and now
you have to try to figure out some sort of
mediating thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that's one of the big questions that we've been
thinking about for the episode we talked about and what
comes after humans just can can a major primarily capitalism
driven society world can it end in a happy way?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Like?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Can you stop that? Can you get past it and
be like, oh, we don't need to do this anymore?
Is there any scenario where that actually happens or is
it only like full collapse or most of humanity ending
situation before that thing gives.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Up, right? Yeah? Will it be reactive innovation or will
it be proactive innovation and interesting? Matt and I have
not talked about this on area yet, folks. We're very
excited for this one, as you can tell. One question
that keeps coming to mind. It reminds me of the
conversation between Ricky Gervais and Stephen Colbert when Ricky was
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asking about textbooks versus religious text going somewhere with this,
and he said, you know, ultimately, anything that comes after humans,
if it progress is to a certain threshold of science
and intelligence, it will write something like a math textbook. Right,
It'll create some understanding or compendium of the rules of
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reality as encountered by life worms on earth. Will that
civilization rewrite word for word something is a religious text?
Will there be some sacro sanct discovery that remains constant?
And that's that's kind of the question when we're talking
about capitalism. Will is capitalism an inevitable economic truth or
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is it more like a religion? My thoughts on this
are on record, but I think it's a fair question.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, that's yeah, it's a great question. What do you
think about that? We'll tell you how to write to us,
to call us and all that good stuff at the
end of this episode. But that's a big, big, big
quest question.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, and it comes into play in our upcoming episode.
We don't want to tease it too hard because we
haven't made it yet, but do check out our earlier episode.
It's something like is economy a religion? And we have
an open call standing now for anybody who wants to
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prove to us in good faith that that is not
the case. Please listen to the episode first, because we
had some great conversations and the question still stands. No
one has disproved it. What do you think that? Should
we move on to another voicemail? Do we want to
get into some nasama stuff? Where where do we want
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to head?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That sounds fun? What is this nasarema stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
All right, folks, peek behind the curtain. Our pal DELUSIONOT
is different from our pal SJ. We accidentally shared various
monikers amidst our fellow conspiracy realist. We hope that's okay.
We're gonna call you SJ Prime. There we go, our
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that's our fix for this one. Call me SJ all Right, SJ. Prime.
This story, says SJ Prime, is included in a collection
titled A Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening gown Essays
for a Scientific Age, first published in nineteen sixty three.
SJ Prime says most of the content is from nineteen
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fifty six to nineteen sixty three, but some are as
early as nineteen thirty. If you can find a copy
of this, it's worth adding to your collection. And then
Sjprime links us to a fantastic PDF which has the
entire nineteen sixty three edition on it, and SJ Prime says,
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this is a collection of odd scientific and engineering humor.
I'm attaching a copy of the table of contents and
the publication information. Among my favorites are Lester Delbray's version
of the twenty third Psalm and Hiawatha's Lipid. Some of
them are humor through and through, and others are complex
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setups for very bad jokes. So, before we get to
the next part of this, have any of us heard
of this book before?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
No, I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This one was new to me as well, and it's
pretty cool if you're into the same kind of nerdy
stuff that we are. We have a cool returning character
body ritual among the Nacerema by Horace Miner opens is
one of the first essays here. We have titles like
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Postal Input, Buffer Device, The Bridge of San Louis Ray,
Cosmic gall The Abominable Snowman, psychoanalysis of US missile failures,
a couple that I've never heard of, Saga of a
new hormone, Pennywisel, Univac to UNIVAK by Louis B. Solomon.
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Maybe we pause here just for anybody who missed that
previous conversation given to us by os woman Matt, Can
you explain the Nacerema in a Nutshell?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
In a nutshell, it's a satirical look at the United
States of America at a particular time in its history. Well,
I guess it is now an all time in the
US history about our culture's collective obsession with how we
look right and our outward appearance. And the language used
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in it is meant to other the United States and
it's society by using the language that's often used an anthropology,
where you're speaking about let's say, a newly discovered tribe
or something in a part of the world, where there
is a newly discovered indigenous people something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And this also speaks to Dill in your phenomenal Rude
Bega documentary, which hopefully is available on Netflix. Here's one
thing we'll read from this book, which you should check out, folks.
It is the twenty third Psalm Modern Versions, Matt, I
believe that you and our fellow conspiracy realists will enjoy
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this one. The Lord is my external internal integrative mechanism.
I shall not be deprived of gratification for my viscerogetic
hungers or my need dispositions. He motivates me to orient
myself towards non social object with effective significance. He positions
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me in a non decisional situation. He maximizes my adjustment.
Although I entertain masochistic and self destructive in impulses, I
will maintain contact with reality for my superegos dominant his
analysis and tranquilizers. They comfort me. He assists in the
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resolution of my internal conflicts despite my oedipal problems and
psychopathic ebulsions. He promotes my in group identification. My personality
is totally integrated. Surely, my prestige and status shall be
enhanced as a direct function of time, and I shall
remain sociologically, psychologically, and economically secure forever. That's weird. They're
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given doom vibes, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh, there's some serious doom vibes. SJA gave us a
little screenshot of another one. It says it's labeled here
as part two from Lester del Rey. I also has
some series doom vibes. More about the bomb and you know,
nuclear energies. Surely strontium and fallout shall follow me all
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the days of my life, and I will dwell in
the house of the AEC, but hardly forever.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
This is wild. This is going to be my entire night. Actually,
I'm gonna end up just reading this book. Thank you
so much man for recommending this to us. SJ. Prime.
We love again specific reference works, we love very weird museums.
We love hearing from you. Before we wrap this part,
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there's something very important that SJ. Prime has asked us.
It's the following. It's going to take all three of us, gentlemen.
You ready, all right?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
S J.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Prime. You end by saying, please give me a fact
about rudabagas and how they relate to badgers. Excellent.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
H oh yeah, plug that into chat GPT real quick geezy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Which stands for chat go Badger time.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay, wait, do we get an iron there? Okay, all right,
So here's the truth. This is the stuff they don't
want you to know, SJ. Prime. The badger and the
rutabaga have long been involved in a complex symbiotic relationship.
At times one is predator, at times one is prey.
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Depending upon the season of the year, especially in the
northern climes, the rutabaga may encounter its cyclical weather driven
predatory phase, at which point the hunter becomes the hunted. Now,
it is true that all other times of the year,
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the badger being an omnivorous, diggy type of dude, the
badger will prey upon the Ruda bega, except, as you know, Matt,
when the weather turns right, when winter comes and the
Ruda begas hunker.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Did you know, guys, in August August twenty first to
the twenty fourth this past year, there was a Ruda
Bega festival in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes, yes, yes I did. We got a voicemail about it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
We did. We talked about it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We didn't talk about it, but yes, we did get
about it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, I didn't know. I did not know that. Well, okay,
there you go.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
All I'm saying is everybody look up the Great Badger
Rudabaga War of eighteen ninety three. It's harrowing.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, it's the thing your textbooks don't want you to know.
A lot of good Ruda begas died, a lot of
badgers gave their lives. Dylly, could you tell us a
little bit more about the war.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Just never enter a land war with the rout of beca.
That's I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
There we go, there we go. And I shouldn't be laughing.
It's just a very uncomfortable part of hidden history.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
If you don't laugh, you cry.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you don't laugh, you cry. Especially after you read that,
you can see why they pulled it from the textbooks.
No one in fact check us. We're gonna pause for
a word from our sponsors and we'll be back with
more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
And we've returned, and we're jumping back to the phone
lines to hear a message from one eyed Cyclops warning everybody,
this one is pretty serious, very interesting, lots to unpack,
perhaps too much, no, I know for sure, too much
to impact in this episode has to do with what's
going on in New Paul, and we've I think brought
(36:00):
it up once a little bit mentioned it. Well, we
haven't really talked about any of it in depth, and
One Eyed Cyclops is very interested, so let's hear what
they have to say.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
Hello to my favorite three Musketeers. If you so too,
you can call me the One Eyed Cyclops and Hi
from Texas. I know you guys know about what's going
on in Nepal because you're too hip not to know,
but I personally believe that it deserves the full episode.
Jim Z not only overthrew the prime minister and burned
(36:36):
the embassy down, but they also voted in a new
prime minister via discord.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
You've got to be kidding me. I would love to
hear your thoughts on this, so anyways, I hope I'm
not the only person asking for this, because I really
think that it deserves coverage and I think you guys
would do the very best. So anyways, thanks for everything
that you do. I've really enjoyed listening to your episodes
over the past eight years now. I don't think there's
(37:03):
anything in your catalog that I haven't listened to, and
I'm really hoping to add this one to the list.
All right, Yeah, have a good hmm, here we go.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Thank you. Yeah, we did mention this. I can't remember
if we're talking about it on this show or a
different show, but everything you have said is absolutely true
and I agree with you. I think this could be
a full episode. It shows us how the mechanisms of
government and governance are changing.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, in how control mechanisms are being put in place
in an attempt to make sure uprisings can't come from
a virtual space, from the Internet, from the cyberspace where
especially young people who are fed up with things like
overt corruption that's just in everybody's face now in a
(37:54):
lot of parts of the world, a lot of parts
of the world where the younger generation has means to
communicate about those things and organize and then in the
case of Nepaul, stand up and begin mass protests. When
the government steps forward and says, hey, WhatsApp, Facebook, YouTube, X,
(38:14):
all the things that you guys use to communicate as
younger folks, We're going to ban all of those so
you cannot have a chance or at least robing to
lessen the chance that you guys can revolt against us.
We the older folks in power.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, forty eight. It was less than forty eight hours
for the protesters to force the overthrow of the government,
as we had described earlier, and it is as you noted,
anti corruption protesting, an attempt to breach the walls of Parliament.
This led to a lot of chaos. We're talking looting,
(38:53):
buildings being torched, politicians attacked in their home. I think
we've all seen the footage of the I and his
family escaping via helicopter. Yeah, do check that out. Have
you also seen it yet, folks?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And it led to nineteen human beings being killed by
the police response and the deadly force that was used,
hundreds of people injured by that same you know response.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
More than seventy people killed, according to the spokesperson for
the Nepal Police, seventy people killed. Yeah, in total, so
counting you know, police, authoritarian forces and protesters and a
wow some people.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah wow, Okay, so sorry about that. I've gotten The
number I'm looking at here is nineteen. But that was
from September ninth when it initially went off and the
prime minister quit after all of this stuff, and it
was twenty six social media apps that got banned, and
then they decided to roll back that ban after all
(39:56):
of this stuff began going down. It's an intense situation
that occurred. There's an Al Jazeera article about one of
the I guess leaders of the group that stood up
and said no and protested, a man named Sudan Gerong
s U d A n g U r U n G.
(40:16):
And this article is about how he will be stepping
up to run in the March polls, trying to form
a new quote youth led people's government, which you know
is really great. I worry, I worry often that there's
no way around some of the corruption that occurs once
(40:37):
you reach those levels of power and governance within any system.
I really hope that maybe there's there is a world
in which a younger generation can come through and just
discard some of that stuff. But it's a tough, uphill battle,
right because there are powers that need that corruption to exist.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, and there are, especially in the case of Nepal
and as we're about to see in Madagascar, there are
international or transnational forces, state supported and private and proxy,
that have a vested interest in profiting from a system
as it stands. So what will often happen is you
(41:24):
will lead a change, right, You'll lead a mass movement,
and then you'll be ushered into a back room with
very powerful people who say, look, you know, we didn't
like sharma Oli that much ourselves. He did the following
things for us, and if you do those things, then
you can do as you wish. Those conversations happen in
(41:47):
a very frighteningly civil and friendly way.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah. Charmoli the former prime minister who stepped down.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Right, Yeah, but vows not to flee as of today,
vows not to flee amid the political turmoil. He has
made public statements where he said the current government is
groundless and they're trying to strip him of his security
and his official privileges. This is a full episode because
(42:16):
of course we want to look deeper into the motivations
of the revolution. We would want to look into the
typical due diligence of possible funding or hidden hands. So yeah,
I think we should absolutely cover this, especially as it
continues to develop. I do want to point out that
(42:38):
the reason we're referencing Madic Gascar here as well one
eyed cyclops is that just ten minutes Ago as we're
recording this. On September twenty ninth, Reuters has reported that
thousands of people in Madicascar are rallying against water and
(42:59):
power outage and police are clashing with them in a
kinetic fashion. So there may be a pattern at play
here because Reuter's is reporting that the protest in Madagascar
are directly inspired by the gen Z protest, not only
in the poll but in Kenya as well.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Wow Wow. And I have a feeling that very specific
type of protests will be coming to a lot of
other places very soon, especially the US, as these new
data centers are being built, and there are towns where
the water and electricity is going to be usurped for
all the folks living there by the data centers right
(43:43):
all the water being pulled from the aquifers, all the
power that will now have to be generated by the
brand new nuclear power plants that are going to be built,
and the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being
pushed into this AI behemoth thing that's, you know, in
the mind's eye of all these billionaires. I was reading
this piece about a giant tech corporation out in Europe,
(44:07):
and the CEO coming forward and just talking about how
brutal the layoffs are going to be because he can
do so much. The corporation, which requires the growth, which
requires the money, which requires all that stuff, doesn't need
humans to function anymore. So it will just be this,
(44:28):
you know, in my mind, this almost unstoppable monster in
this set, or this group of kaiju that we're creating
in these data centers. It's really creepy, and we're gonna
have to protest against them at.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Some point, right right, or automate the protest and have
the bots protests themselves. Classic dead Internet theory. I think
this is a universal concern for anybody outside of the
C suite. To be quite honest, there has been, as
with any new emergent technol, there's been a lot of hype, right,
(45:02):
There's been a lot. There have been many large claims
that have yet to be supported, and we're already seeing
a bit of a fatigue on the part of the humans,
and we're seeing deep concern about the relevancy of the
human experiment going forward as this technology evolves. You know
(45:25):
what happens when you, as a policy maker, let's say
you're still human, You're not the Albanian AI policy maker.
Let's say you're still human. You make the laws, and
you have to make a decision about where the water goes.
This is something we didn't predict in our previous series
(45:48):
on the water Wars, which otherwise aged terrifyingly. Well, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We ow still corporations right buying up the land that
have the aquifers and all that stuff and then using
it for their own needs. It's just we we had
no concept of how much water would be necessary for
this new kind.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Of thing exactly. Yeah, yeah, nailed it.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We also we also have as a quick palate cleanser,
we also have to shout out someone who I can't
remember whether you've called in or whether you wrote to
us directly, but asked us about the phrase boffin b
o f f I N So boffin is just British
(46:36):
slaying for a smart person or a scientist. Yes, yeah,
just we're throwing that one out there because I realized sometimes,
especially when we're cooking with gas, we're just throwing things out,
we're not explaining them. So boffen just means nerd. That
(46:56):
was the nerds.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yes, that was ignorant hippopotamus, ignorant hippopotamus.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and you freestyled that name, Well done, dude. Yes, boffett,
it's a real word. It's British slang. We're not British,
but we love it. And so with this we are
going to call it a day, call it an evening,
wherever you find yourself in this wide old world of ours.
(47:24):
We've got so much more to get to. We got
an excellent, excellent correspondence regarding asking professors for free copies
of their work. We'll get to that next week in
our next listener mail. We have some puns we can't
wait to share with you. We will always have some
(47:45):
root of Vegas as long as the legendary Tennessee Pal
Dylan keeps messive with us. Thank you, as always, Super
Producer Dylan, Thank you folks for tuning in. Thank you,
of course to SJ the US You're not SJ Prime.
Thank you to Proud one eyed Cyclops, Dvius Rex, everybody
(48:07):
who took the time to hang out with us this week.
We'd love for you to be part of the show.
You can find us online, YouTube, various social media apps.
You confide us you'll do some digging rude de bigas style,
bag a badger's style, and will be there. Hey, Matt,
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Speaker 3 (48:28):
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Our colleague Noel is on an international adventure, a man
of mystery, but he will be returning shortly.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer,
Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here. That makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. No, no, no, I'm doing live
echoes here, Matt. It's our listener mail program. If you
(00:57):
are tuning in the evening it public, then let us
welcome you to Oh my gosh, October second, Matt, that's
true October second.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Well, it will be when your ears can hear that
it's October second.
Speaker 2 (01:15):
But when it's publishing. We're recording on the twenty ninth
of September.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Our faces are still in September.
Speaker 2 (01:22):
Yes, our faces are still in September. But what is time?
What happens after humans? That's an episode we cannot wait
to explore together.
Speaker 3 (01:33):
Well, we're going to explore it no matter what you
know when we live it, but you know it'll be
fan to talk about it.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But will humans be will humans be living it? If
it's after humans?
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Well we're going to live the part where right up
until you know.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Everybody the world is ending for someone every day, right
and it's continuing. It reminds me of that wh Auden
poem about the old Masters.
Speaker 3 (02:04):
Yeah, and we've got like ten years max left, so
sorry everybody. Yep, Nah, yep.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
I'm a fan of man Kevin. I think I think
something will soldier on, but I have always been accused
of optimism. We're going to hear some pretty cool stuff.
I think we're excited, Matt. Why don't we flip it
a little bit? Do you want to do? You want
to have us pause for a word from our sponsors
and then maybe get to a voicemail.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
Ah, that would be wonderful. And we've returned and this
is just a quick check with our Tennessee pal. Are
there any Ruda begas on the menu today?
Speaker 4 (02:49):
Spring has come to Scotland and that means one thing VanNess.
He's a swimming through the waters of luckness with the babies.
These crypted. Mothers are trying to feed the hungry new Bole,
and that means getting closer to the shoreline. Although Messi's
are aquatic animals, they're also herbivores and spend much of
their time searching for suitable food on the nearby land,
(03:12):
using their long next to survey the ground from the water.
It looks like this mother has found something worth investigating.
She pools and chews, and yes, Messi has found sustenance
for her young She has stuck up a route.
Speaker 2 (03:26):
Baker, love it. Oh, thank you Werner Herzog.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
How is that music so perfect for that thing?
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Like Dylan is a phenomenal musician. Uh, Dylan personally knows
Donnie Laboy.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Okay, that's it. That's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Oh my god, Okay, thank you so much, Dylan.
Speaker 3 (03:51):
Well, let's stay on the rude Bega train for a
moment and hear a message from Proud. We've heard from
Proud before. He told us some family stories about the
awesome things his family is up to, and we gave
him shout out. How Proud is calling back with some
more adventures.
Speaker 5 (04:07):
Hello, gentlemen, I've contacted you before under the name Proud.
I spent a long weekend in your fair state. Only
I was in Savannah and it's beautiful. We went to
a ray Face museum. This a true crime museum. And
we also went to Missus Wilkes's Banning Room, which is
(04:29):
a restaurant and we waited outside for over an hour
to get in and there's no menu. They just serve
your food and the food was amazing.
Speaker 6 (04:40):
Gar We go over there and one of the dishes
that I was served that I'd never had before was
fru debate is never had a rootbab before. Did not
recognize the dish. I had to pull server aside and
mask her what it was. And it was delicious. I
don't know how they cooked it. I imagined this well
this is but it was amazing and they made me think.
Speaker 3 (05:03):
You guys so.
Speaker 5 (05:04):
Uh yeah a long time listen and uh keep up
his work. Love you guys.
Speaker 3 (05:09):
Bye Ah, Proud hanging out in Savannah. Ben, you've spent
some time in Savannah. Have you ever visited the Wilkes House?
You or Dylan?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
I'm aware of it for sure, but I haven't been there. Proud,
Thank you so much for reaching out. Savannah is a
fascinating town, so pass it to you, Dylan, have you
visited this Wilkes place.
Speaker 7 (05:35):
I haven't, but I have been the grave Face Museum.
One of my best friends used to work there. Shout
out Ian, and the owner's name is Ryan Graveface.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
What shout out to Ryan, Ryan?
Speaker 7 (05:47):
That's the owner's name, Ryan Graveface.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Yeah, Holy Mackerel. Okay, So uh well, let's maybe let's
start there. Then Dylan tell us about that place, because
I've never been there. I don't even know what it is.
Speaker 7 (05:59):
It's it's like an oddities museum. So great Face is
also a record label, and they've they've reprinted like the
Unsolved Mystery soundtrack and stuff like that. They do a
lot of spooky stuff, but their owner also has a
lot of John Wayne Gacy's paintings.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
Oh yeah, crazy stuff.
Speaker 2 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, I've seen I've seen this. I did not
know the proprietor's name, but I've I've encountered that museum
as well. Folks, we are huge fans of very specific
museums as well as reference works, and do check out Proud.
I think if you haven't heard it yet, I think
(06:40):
you will maybe enjoys not the right word, but I
think you will be fascinated with our earlier episode on
the Dilemmas of serial killer memorabilia. That was a that
was a dark one, but an important one.
Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, it's weird to have that kind of collection, but
I suppose people would want to go in and check
it out. I think curiosity might catch me if I
walked past it and found out it was in there,
which I'm not particularly proud about. Maybe, but that's okay,
that's okay. I would be interested for sure. In the
(07:15):
Wilkes House, guys, this was a boarding house in historic
downtown Savannah that got converted into a family style dining
situation where you basically wait for a table for a
long time at least Corny Proud and everything else that
I'm seeing online. Then you go inside and you get
(07:35):
served whatever they're.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Cooking, right. Yeah, it's like going to a fancy sushi
restaurant in that you don't get a menu. You get
what they decide to give you, right. Oh, then you
get a bill at the end. And that's that's an
interesting approach. And I remember hearing about it from some
(07:59):
friends who went to Savannah College of Art and Design
or SCAD as we call it in this part of
the world, and it's a local legend, and honestly, Proud,
you're very fortunate to have been able to get in.
Speaker 3 (08:13):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's definitely one of those things if
you're not on a list somewhere, you're just gonna hang
for a while. Hopefully they've updated with some kind of
you know, those new things you can get where you
get put on a list and then you'll get a
text like, hey, it's coming up five minutes, so you
can at least walk away from the restaurant for a
bit and check out the rest of historic downtown Savannah,
(08:35):
which we're not sponsored by yet, but knowing that Proud
got to have his first route to Bega, come on,
that's the best, even says on their website on their menu, cabbage,
snap pees, mac and cheese, butter beans, black eyed peas,
and rude of becas boom, all kinds of good stuff there. Well,
(08:55):
that was very exciting to hear. We hope you enjoy
the rest of your time in Savannah and anybody else
who wants to hang out in Georgia, that's a great
place to check out if you're not heading to downtown Atlanta,
because you know, we've of course got great things here again,
not sponsored by the city of Atlanta or Savannah.
Speaker 2 (09:13):
Despite ongoing conversations.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, we are trying.
Speaker 2 (09:17):
Real We are proudly sponsored by several places. They are.
When we say sponsored in that sense, what we mean
is they shout us out occasionally, like the local, the
one of the best. We got in trouble with the
local because we blew up the spot on the chicken wings.
(09:40):
As the city continues to grow. But I think one
thing you need to know about Savannah, fellow travelers, is
that it is a complex city that carries a great
deal of historical baggage, some for good and some for ill.
(10:00):
I remember one quick anecdote about Savannah. I traveled down
there because I wanted to be closer to the ocean
while I was doing this writing project. And I was
doing the thing where this will be familiar to a
lot of us, where you lock yourself in an unfamiliar
room and you kind of play submarine. You don't go
(10:22):
outside until you've done your thing. And when I got there, folks,
there was a strange energy in the air over on
River Street, which is like the tourist dragline, and I
realized that everybody was planning in advance for Saint Patti's
(10:46):
Day for the weekend where they would celebrate that day,
which I wasn't familiar with it being a huge thing
in the United States, but people assumed, probably because of
the way I looked, that I was so into Saint
Patti's Day, so irish or so Catholic, that I was
(11:07):
getting there a week ahead. And I remember just the uh,
I'm being diplomatic here. I remember the boisterous energy that
drove me to the edge of the ocean to just
sit there and wait till dawn, because I did not
want to go back into the city late at night.
(11:29):
It was two raucous people were partying so hard. So
look Saint Patty's Day in Savannah is like south By
Southwest in Austin. Just be careful, keep your wits about you.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
That's right. While you're headed over to Poe's Tavern, which
is an Edgar Allen Poe themed tavern, which come on,
you got you gotta visit that, yeah, of course. And
also the Pirate's House that's an old standby, it's a
pirate's house, it's historic. Why not enjoy.
Speaker 2 (12:04):
Yeah, see if you can find the nuclear bomb still
languishing off the coast.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
It's over there somewhere, just hanging out down there under
the waves. Yikes. All right, well, with that, we'll be
right back after word from our sponsors with more messages
from you.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
And we have returned. This is a great one.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
You know.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
We go through our social media correspondence, our voicemails, We
go through our emails and these things inspire episodes in
the future, which is why our listener mail segment is
so important to us. It's the best part of the show.
It's you on the air. And with that, we have
a word from SJ and Matt Dillon. I think you
(12:55):
guys will find this pretty interesting. It's a response to
our episode on the Mickelson Safeguard Complex aka a super
weird Cold war pyramid with its head lopped off. Here
we go, hey fellas, feel free to use this on
air if you please. You may refer to me as DELUSIONOT.
(13:19):
Love it. SJ. You gave us the names DELUSIONOT and
SJ and Matt. I kind of like Delusionot.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
Delusionot is wonderful because it feels as though you were
out there swimming in the delusion right in some kind
of way. You're out there exploring the delusion itself.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
You may refer to me as delusionot. We're doing that
because in parentheses delusionot, you put insert supervillain chuckle, and
we hope we made you proud. Out. Do you have
(14:01):
a good supervillain chuckle?
Speaker 3 (14:03):
I don't know that I do. I could try. Maybe
I'll try later on randomly and we'll see if it works.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
We've got a we've got a pretty good track record
on a villainous and chuckle, right, the naughty one. So
you continued delusion hot and you say, I'm listening to
our episode on the Mickelson Safeguard Complex. Talk of space
(14:30):
race and weapons supremacy and nuke's got me thinking. A
question materialized. What if a nation state created a kind
of weapon whose use could be as devastating as a
nuclear explosion eventually, but something that could also be quickly undone.
The idea would be to gain control of the world's
(14:52):
access to sunlight. Dylan beep me in the delusionist here, yes,
super villain me out an editorial note, Matt, I know
you're gonna love this because this is something I swear
we have talked about in the past, but I didn't hunt.
The episode down delusionart continues. You build a massive disk
(15:15):
in space between the Sun and Earth. Build the disc
vertically so when seen from the ground, it would appear
as a line in the sky if visible at all.
To deploy one would geosynchronously. You anchor the disc above
the desired target and turn it sideways. This would cast
(15:35):
your target into darkness. That ends when you decide to
turn the Sun back on. While not as immediate as
a nuke, it would devastate any place on the planet.
It could also be easily undone once my hour demands
have been met and there's no radioactive fallout. Also a
(15:56):
fan of rods from God? Who needs explosive when you've
got mass and unhinged momentum. Just a weird idea. Cheers.
Guys called me Sjay. We talked about didn't we talk
about this? The plan to block the Sun?
Speaker 8 (16:14):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (16:14):
Yeah? The actual government approved and sponsored plans to develop
a system of blotting out the Sun with cloud formations,
but high above cloud formations similar to those that would
be generated in nuclear fallout. So yeah, I guess we
(16:35):
could do it with clouds or, in this case, a
massive disc, which I'm kind of about could you use
that massive disc to slow down warming of certain places
and areas, maybe stop giant glaciers from melting.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Sure, that would be cool. This is also interesting to us,
delusion excellent name, because there has been a lot of
research over time into concepts like we're describing. You know,
for a lot of folks, the concept was first encountered
watching the original Matrix, right, spoilers for that one. There's
(17:14):
a little bit of talk about sunshine and blocking it.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
We also interesting because you don't actually get the full
story of it unless you go to the Animatrix and
watch those right, the first couple of short films on that,
and otherwise they just kind of mentioned it, like, oh
well they decided to blot out the sky spoilers.
Speaker 2 (17:34):
Yeah, that's Look, there's a lot of gnosticism and inquiries
into the nature of reality for this. But what we
need to establish here, delusionot, is that the concept that
you're describing is a doctor Doom level version of what
(17:54):
is called a sunshield or space sun shade in the
way it was originally proposed by a physicist named Hermann
Oberth way way back in the day, is a protective measure,
right similar to what we're referencing with the slowing of
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glacial melts and the slowing of global warming. The space
sunshade is the idea. It's like a bootleg Dyson sphere
kind of idea. It's just one facet of a Dyson
sphere that would go between Earth and the Sun and
prevent some of that tasty, tasty, same mixtape radiation kind
(18:43):
of stuff from hitting Earth, messing with the magnetosphere, messing
with the typical cyclical passage of the seasons. Space mirrors
under this concept would orbit around the Earth with a
diameter of one hundred to three hundred kilometer, as proposed
by this guy Obirth. And in this despite being phrased
(19:08):
as a protective measure, in this our physicist Hermann clearly
describes the idea of focusing sunlight on some regions of
the surface and then deflecting it into space, but also
having the ability to remove sunlight from certain parts of
(19:29):
the Earth.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Well, yeah, I wonder how much energy you could capture
with it as well if you could find a way
to transfer said energy so you could do all the
things at once. It's a multi tool, yes, space solar
energy capture and deflection.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
Yeah, and here's why I don't completely buy the protective
spin on Obirth's sunshade idea. He's kind of a super
villain himself, Matt, hmmm, the devil you say he has.
(20:08):
He's kind of a paper clip guy, or he would
have been if the timing was just a little bit different.
You see, he was Austro Hungarian. He was a big
fan of Nazi Germany, to the point where he got
the war Merrit Cross in nineteen forty three. His most
notable student is returning character on the show Werner von Braun.
Speaker 3 (20:32):
Oh, he's a rocket boy. Yeah, well it would make
sense if you you gotta be a rocket person if
you're imagining sending something that massive or you know, employing
something that massive in space. Wow hmm. It always reminds
you of the space elevator concept. You remember when Marshall
(20:54):
Brain would talk about that a lot.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
Yeah, space elevator. And look, it takes a lot of
rocketmen to encourage, empower the exploration into the stars science. Obviously,
technology at least does not possess its own moral compass.
(21:15):
But this is a fascinating character because he started building
model rockets when he was fourteen, and this was way
before it was easy to build them, you know, with
a kit you would get at a museum gift shoper online.
All to say, like the space elevator, and I enjoy
that comparison, the sunshield is possible. The problem with the
(21:42):
sunshield and the problem with the space elevator is that
it would require human civilization to spend a vast amount
of time and resources to get something that probably wouldn't
work all the way. You know, I would you take
a space elevator?
Speaker 3 (22:03):
Uh, you know, I think I would. I think I
would be in a space elevator is a way to
actually start some kind of capitalist movement where you could
safely send up tourists and it wouldn't cost that much money.
Once the space elevator is built on, you know, working
(22:24):
and you could send up massive equipment that could then
be launched out to other places you could send you'd
have a whole other, separate section of the space elevator
that's just for the the folks who have three hundred
thousand dollars, you know, just lying around so.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
You can go up into space right for a second. Maybe,
but if there's a hotel at the.
Speaker 3 (22:43):
Top, that's what I'm saying, if you got a space elevator,
then hang out as much as you want.
Speaker 2 (22:50):
And if you evolve past a capitalistic society, then the
real bonus points for the space elevator would be removing
most of the expense of obstacles to escaping Earth's orbit. Right,
you can solve for the problem of the weight. The
idea of the sunshade, whether it's supervillain or protective, is
(23:15):
it's a pickle, it's a real bag of badgers. Because
the question becomes, will civilization decide on such an enormous,
unorthodox investment in a point of time where it is
still useful or will it be something where everything has
(23:36):
gone sideways and pear shaped and savannah bananas and now
you have to try to figure out some sort of
mediating thing.
Speaker 3 (23:45):
Yeah, that's one of the big questions that we've been
thinking about for the episode we talked about and what
comes after humans just can can a major primarily capitalism
driven society world can it end in a happy way?
Speaker 9 (24:04):
Like?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Can you stop that? Can you get past it and
be like, oh, we don't need to do this anymore?
Is there any scenario where that actually happens or is
it only like full collapse or most of humanity ending
situation before that thing gives.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Up, right? Yeah? Will it be reactive innovation or will
it be proactive innovation and interesting? Matt and I have
not talked about this on area yet, folks. We're very
excited for this one, as you can tell. One question
that keeps coming to mind. It reminds me of the
conversation between Ricky Gervais and Stephen Colbert when Ricky was
(24:46):
asking about textbooks versus religious text going somewhere with this,
and he said, you know, ultimately, anything that comes after humans,
if it progress is to a certain threshold of science
and intelligence, it will write something like a math textbook. Right,
It'll create some understanding or compendium of the rules of
(25:11):
reality as encountered by life worms on earth. Will that
civilization rewrite word for word something is a religious text?
Will there be some sacro sanct discovery that remains constant?
And that's that's kind of the question when we're talking
about capitalism. Will is capitalism an inevitable economic truth or
(25:39):
is it more like a religion? My thoughts on this
are on record, but I think it's a fair question.
Speaker 3 (25:47):
Yeah, that's yeah, it's a great question. What do you
think about that? We'll tell you how to write to us,
to call us and all that good stuff at the
end of this episode. But that's a big, big, big
quest question.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Yeah, and it comes into play in our upcoming episode.
We don't want to tease it too hard because we
haven't made it yet, but do check out our earlier episode.
It's something like is economy a religion? And we have
an open call standing now for anybody who wants to
(26:23):
prove to us in good faith that that is not
the case. Please listen to the episode first, because we
had some great conversations and the question still stands. No
one has disproved it. What do you think that? Should
we move on to another voicemail? Do we want to
get into some nasama stuff? Where where do we want
(26:46):
to head?
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That sounds fun? What is this nasarema stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
All right, folks, peek behind the curtain. Our pal DELUSIONOT
is different from our pal SJ. We accidentally shared various
monikers amidst our fellow conspiracy realist. We hope that's okay.
We're gonna call you SJ Prime. There we go, our
(27:14):
that's our fix for this one. Call me SJ all Right, SJ. Prime.
This story, says SJ Prime, is included in a collection
titled A Stress Analysis of a Strapless Evening gown Essays
for a Scientific Age, first published in nineteen sixty three.
SJ Prime says most of the content is from nineteen
(27:37):
fifty six to nineteen sixty three, but some are as
early as nineteen thirty. If you can find a copy
of this, it's worth adding to your collection. And then
Sjprime links us to a fantastic PDF which has the
entire nineteen sixty three edition on it, and SJ Prime says,
(27:59):
this is a collection of odd scientific and engineering humor.
I'm attaching a copy of the table of contents and
the publication information. Among my favorites are Lester Delbray's version
of the twenty third Psalm and Hiawatha's Lipid. Some of
them are humor through and through, and others are complex
(28:20):
setups for very bad jokes. So, before we get to
the next part of this, have any of us heard
of this book before?
Speaker 3 (28:32):
No, I've never heard of this.
Speaker 2 (28:34):
This one was new to me as well, and it's
pretty cool if you're into the same kind of nerdy
stuff that we are. We have a cool returning character
body ritual among the Nacerema by Horace Miner opens is
one of the first essays here. We have titles like
(28:57):
Postal Input, Buffer Device, The Bridge of San Louis Ray,
Cosmic gall The Abominable Snowman, psychoanalysis of US missile failures,
a couple that I've never heard of, Saga of a
new hormone, Pennywisel, Univac to UNIVAK by Louis B. Solomon.
(29:22):
Maybe we pause here just for anybody who missed that
previous conversation given to us by os woman Matt, Can
you explain the Nacerema in a Nutshell?
Speaker 3 (29:33):
In a nutshell, it's a satirical look at the United
States of America at a particular time in its history. Well,
I guess it is now an all time in the
US history about our culture's collective obsession with how we
look right and our outward appearance. And the language used
(29:57):
in it is meant to other the United States and
it's society by using the language that's often used an anthropology,
where you're speaking about let's say, a newly discovered tribe
or something in a part of the world, where there
is a newly discovered indigenous people something like that.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
And this also speaks to Dill in your phenomenal Rude
Bega documentary, which hopefully is available on Netflix. Here's one
thing we'll read from this book, which you should check out, folks.
It is the twenty third Psalm Modern Versions, Matt, I
believe that you and our fellow conspiracy realists will enjoy
(30:43):
this one. The Lord is my external internal integrative mechanism.
I shall not be deprived of gratification for my viscerogetic
hungers or my need dispositions. He motivates me to orient
myself towards non social object with effective significance. He positions
(31:04):
me in a non decisional situation. He maximizes my adjustment.
Although I entertain masochistic and self destructive in impulses, I
will maintain contact with reality for my superegos dominant his
analysis and tranquilizers. They comfort me. He assists in the
(31:25):
resolution of my internal conflicts despite my oedipal problems and
psychopathic ebulsions. He promotes my in group identification. My personality
is totally integrated. Surely, my prestige and status shall be
enhanced as a direct function of time, and I shall
remain sociologically, psychologically, and economically secure forever. That's weird. They're
(31:50):
given doom vibes, you know.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Oh, there's some serious doom vibes. SJA gave us a
little screenshot of another one. It says it's labeled here
as part two from Lester del Rey. I also has
some series doom vibes. More about the bomb and you know,
nuclear energies. Surely strontium and fallout shall follow me all
(32:15):
the days of my life, and I will dwell in
the house of the AEC, but hardly forever.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
This is wild. This is going to be my entire night. Actually,
I'm gonna end up just reading this book. Thank you
so much man for recommending this to us. SJ. Prime.
We love again specific reference works, we love very weird museums.
We love hearing from you. Before we wrap this part,
(32:47):
there's something very important that SJ. Prime has asked us.
It's the following. It's going to take all three of us, gentlemen.
You ready, all right?
Speaker 5 (32:56):
S J.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
Prime. You end by saying, please give me a fact
about rudabagas and how they relate to badgers. Excellent.
Speaker 3 (33:06):
H oh yeah, plug that into chat GPT real quick geezy.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Which stands for chat go Badger time.
Speaker 6 (33:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Okay, wait, do we get an iron there? Okay, all right,
So here's the truth. This is the stuff they don't
want you to know, SJ. Prime. The badger and the
rutabaga have long been involved in a complex symbiotic relationship.
At times one is predator, at times one is prey.
(33:42):
Depending upon the season of the year, especially in the
northern climes, the rutabaga may encounter its cyclical weather driven
predatory phase, at which point the hunter becomes the hunted. Now,
it is true that all other times of the year,
(34:04):
the badger being an omnivorous, diggy type of dude, the
badger will prey upon the Ruda bega, except, as you know, Matt,
when the weather turns right, when winter comes and the
Ruda begas hunker.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Did you know, guys, in August August twenty first to
the twenty fourth this past year, there was a Ruda
Bega festival in Wisconsin.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Yes, yes, yes I did. We got a voicemail about it.
Speaker 3 (34:34):
We did. We talked about it.
Speaker 2 (34:36):
We didn't talk about it, but yes, we did get
about it.
Speaker 3 (34:39):
Yeah, I didn't know. I did not know that. Well, okay,
there you go.
Speaker 7 (34:45):
All I'm saying is everybody look up the Great Badger
Rudabaga War of eighteen ninety three. It's harrowing.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Yeah, it's the thing your textbooks don't want you to know.
A lot of good Ruda begas died, a lot of
badgers gave their lives. Dylly, could you tell us a
little bit more about the war.
Speaker 7 (35:05):
Just never enter a land war with the rout of beca.
That's I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
There we go, there we go. And I shouldn't be laughing.
It's just a very uncomfortable part of hidden history.
Speaker 7 (35:18):
If you don't laugh, you cry.
Speaker 2 (35:20):
If you don't laugh, you cry. Especially after you read that,
you can see why they pulled it from the textbooks.
No one in fact check us. We're gonna pause for
a word from our sponsors and we'll be back with
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Speaker 3 (35:38):
And we've returned, and we're jumping back to the phone
lines to hear a message from one eyed Cyclops warning everybody,
this one is pretty serious, very interesting, lots to unpack,
perhaps too much, no, I know for sure, too much
to impact in this episode has to do with what's
going on in New Paul, and we've I think brought
(36:00):
it up once a little bit mentioned it. Well, we
haven't really talked about any of it in depth, and
One Eyed Cyclops is very interested, so let's hear what
they have to say.
Speaker 9 (36:13):
Hello to my favorite three Musketeers. If you so too,
you can call me the One Eyed Cyclops and Hi
from Texas. I know you guys know about what's going
on in Nepal because you're too hip not to know,
but I personally believe that it deserves the full episode.
Jim Z not only overthrew the prime minister and burned
(36:36):
the embassy down, but they also voted in a new
prime minister via discord.
Speaker 8 (36:43):
You've got to be kidding me. I would love to
hear your thoughts on this, so anyways, I hope I'm
not the only person asking for this, because I really
think that it deserves coverage and I think you guys
would do the very best. So anyways, thanks for everything
that you do. I've really enjoyed listening to your episodes
over the past eight years now. I don't think there's
(37:03):
anything in your catalog that I haven't listened to, and
I'm really hoping to add this one to the list.
All right, Yeah, have a good hmm, here we go.
Speaker 2 (37:12):
Thank you. Yeah, we did mention this. I can't remember
if we're talking about it on this show or a
different show, but everything you have said is absolutely true
and I agree with you. I think this could be
a full episode. It shows us how the mechanisms of
government and governance are changing.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah, in how control mechanisms are being put in place
in an attempt to make sure uprisings can't come from
a virtual space, from the Internet, from the cyberspace where
especially young people who are fed up with things like
overt corruption that's just in everybody's face now in a
(37:54):
lot of parts of the world, a lot of parts
of the world where the younger generation has means to
communicate about those things and organize and then in the
case of Nepaul, stand up and begin mass protests. When
the government steps forward and says, hey, WhatsApp, Facebook, YouTube, X,
(38:14):
all the things that you guys use to communicate as
younger folks, We're going to ban all of those so
you cannot have a chance or at least robing to
lessen the chance that you guys can revolt against us.
We the older folks in power.
Speaker 2 (38:31):
Yeah, forty eight. It was less than forty eight hours
for the protesters to force the overthrow of the government,
as we had described earlier, and it is as you noted,
anti corruption protesting, an attempt to breach the walls of Parliament.
This led to a lot of chaos. We're talking looting,
(38:53):
buildings being torched, politicians attacked in their home. I think
we've all seen the footage of the I and his
family escaping via helicopter. Yeah, do check that out. Have
you also seen it yet, folks?
Speaker 6 (39:06):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (39:06):
And it led to nineteen human beings being killed by
the police response and the deadly force that was used,
hundreds of people injured by that same you know response.
Speaker 2 (39:19):
More than seventy people killed, according to the spokesperson for
the Nepal Police, seventy people killed. Yeah, in total, so
counting you know, police, authoritarian forces and protesters and a
wow some people.
Speaker 3 (39:35):
Yeah wow, Okay, so sorry about that. I've gotten The
number I'm looking at here is nineteen. But that was
from September ninth when it initially went off and the
prime minister quit after all of this stuff, and it
was twenty six social media apps that got banned, and
then they decided to roll back that ban after all
(39:56):
of this stuff began going down. It's an intense situation
that occurred. There's an Al Jazeera article about one of
the I guess leaders of the group that stood up
and said no and protested, a man named Sudan Gerong
s U d A n g U r U n G.
(40:16):
And this article is about how he will be stepping
up to run in the March polls, trying to form
a new quote youth led people's government, which you know
is really great. I worry, I worry often that there's
no way around some of the corruption that occurs once
(40:37):
you reach those levels of power and governance within any system.
I really hope that maybe there's there is a world
in which a younger generation can come through and just
discard some of that stuff. But it's a tough, uphill battle,
right because there are powers that need that corruption to exist.
Speaker 2 (41:02):
Yeah, and there are, especially in the case of Nepal
and as we're about to see in Madagascar, there are
international or transnational forces, state supported and private and proxy,
that have a vested interest in profiting from a system
as it stands. So what will often happen is you
(41:24):
will lead a change, right, You'll lead a mass movement,
and then you'll be ushered into a back room with
very powerful people who say, look, you know, we didn't
like sharma Oli that much ourselves. He did the following
things for us, and if you do those things, then
you can do as you wish. Those conversations happen in
(41:47):
a very frighteningly civil and friendly way.
Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yeah. Charmoli the former prime minister who stepped down.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
Right, Yeah, but vows not to flee as of today,
vows not to flee amid the political turmoil. He has
made public statements where he said the current government is
groundless and they're trying to strip him of his security
and his official privileges. This is a full episode because
(42:16):
of course we want to look deeper into the motivations
of the revolution. We would want to look into the
typical due diligence of possible funding or hidden hands. So yeah,
I think we should absolutely cover this, especially as it
continues to develop. I do want to point out that
(42:38):
the reason we're referencing Madic Gascar here as well one
eyed cyclops is that just ten minutes Ago as we're
recording this. On September twenty ninth, Reuters has reported that
thousands of people in Madicascar are rallying against water and
(42:59):
power outage and police are clashing with them in a
kinetic fashion. So there may be a pattern at play
here because Reuter's is reporting that the protest in Madagascar
are directly inspired by the gen Z protest, not only
in the poll but in Kenya as well.
Speaker 3 (43:19):
Wow Wow. And I have a feeling that very specific
type of protests will be coming to a lot of
other places very soon, especially the US, as these new
data centers are being built, and there are towns where
the water and electricity is going to be usurped for
all the folks living there by the data centers right
(43:43):
all the water being pulled from the aquifers, all the
power that will now have to be generated by the
brand new nuclear power plants that are going to be built,
and the hundreds of billions of dollars that are being
pushed into this AI behemoth thing that's, you know, in
the mind's eye of all these billionaires. I was reading
this piece about a giant tech corporation out in Europe,
(44:07):
and the CEO coming forward and just talking about how
brutal the layoffs are going to be because he can
do so much. The corporation, which requires the growth, which
requires the money, which requires all that stuff, doesn't need
humans to function anymore. So it will just be this,
(44:28):
you know, in my mind, this almost unstoppable monster in
this set, or this group of kaiju that we're creating
in these data centers. It's really creepy, and we're gonna
have to protest against them at.
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Some point, right right, or automate the protest and have
the bots protests themselves. Classic dead Internet theory. I think
this is a universal concern for anybody outside of the
C suite. To be quite honest, there has been, as
with any new emergent technol, there's been a lot of hype, right,
(45:02):
There's been a lot. There have been many large claims
that have yet to be supported, and we're already seeing
a bit of a fatigue on the part of the humans,
and we're seeing deep concern about the relevancy of the
human experiment going forward as this technology evolves. You know
(45:25):
what happens when you, as a policy maker, let's say
you're still human, You're not the Albanian AI policy maker.
Let's say you're still human. You make the laws, and
you have to make a decision about where the water goes.
This is something we didn't predict in our previous series
(45:48):
on the water Wars, which otherwise aged terrifyingly. Well, I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (45:55):
We ow still corporations right buying up the land that
have the aquifers and all that stuff and then using
it for their own needs. It's just we we had
no concept of how much water would be necessary for
this new kind.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Of thing exactly. Yeah, yeah, nailed it.
Speaker 6 (46:14):
Well.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
We also we also have as a quick palate cleanser,
we also have to shout out someone who I can't
remember whether you've called in or whether you wrote to
us directly, but asked us about the phrase boffin b
o f f I N So boffin is just British
(46:36):
slaying for a smart person or a scientist. Yes, yeah,
just we're throwing that one out there because I realized sometimes,
especially when we're cooking with gas, we're just throwing things out,
we're not explaining them. So boffen just means nerd. That
(46:56):
was the nerds.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Yes, that was ignorant hippopotamus, ignorant hippopotamus.
Speaker 2 (47:03):
Yeah, and you freestyled that name, Well done, dude. Yes, boffett,
it's a real word. It's British slang. We're not British,
but we love it. And so with this we are
going to call it a day, call it an evening,
wherever you find yourself in this wide old world of ours.
(47:24):
We've got so much more to get to. We got
an excellent, excellent correspondence regarding asking professors for free copies
of their work. We'll get to that next week in
our next listener mail. We have some puns we can't
wait to share with you. We will always have some
(47:45):
root of Vegas as long as the legendary Tennessee Pal
Dylan keeps messive with us. Thank you, as always, Super
Producer Dylan, Thank you folks for tuning in. Thank you,
of course to SJ the US You're not SJ Prime.
Thank you to Proud one eyed Cyclops, Dvius Rex, everybody
(48:07):
who took the time to hang out with us this week.
We'd love for you to be part of the show.
You can find us online, YouTube, various social media apps.
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The heart was always off-limits to surgeons. Cutting into it spelled instant death for the patient. That is, until a ragtag group of doctors scattered across the Midwest and Texas decided to throw out the rule book. Working in makeshift laboratories and home garages, using medical devices made from scavenged machine parts and beer tubes, these men and women invented the field of open heart surgery. Odds are, someone you know is alive because of them. So why has history left them behind? Presented by Chris Pine, CARDIAC COWBOYS tells the gripping true story behind the birth of heart surgery, and the young, Greatest Generation doctors who made it happen. For years, they competed and feuded, racing to be the first, the best, and the most prolific. Some appeared on the cover of Time Magazine, operated on kings and advised presidents. Others ended up disgraced, penniless, and convicted of felonies. Together, they ignited a revolution in medicine, and changed the world.
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.