September 15, 2022 • 44 mins
Bad Ghost hips us to a recent plane hijacking, targeting a Walmart. Roadrunner asks where the world's most dangerous prisoners are kept. Lactrodectus inspires an upcoming episode on conspiracies surrounding food deserts. All this and more in this week's listener mail. They don’t want you to read our book. They don’t want you to see us on tour.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brady. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our superproducer Alexis
code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. Uh, We're so glad you
dropped by today, fellow conspiracy realist. Uh. This is one
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of our favorite weekly segments, listener Mail, where we hear
from the best part of the show, you and your
fellow listeners, and peak behind the kurt of our recording. Today.
I think we're gonna be a little bit punchy. I
think I think we're gonna be coming with the strangeness.
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We hope you enjoy this. We're going to uh, we're
gonna answer an incredibly great question from our pal road
Runner on our call in line one std w y
t K. We're going to here's something we haven't examined yet,
weirdly enough, which is the phenomenon that until two thousand
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and thirteen or so was called food deserts by the
US government. But before we get into any of that,
we've got we've got an email coming in hot from
a ghost of a particular morality who is very you know,
very concerned, um, very concerned about what you should or
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should not fly a plane into. Yeah, pleasant enough, gentlemen,
But bad ghost. Maybe it's like a bad dog, not
not like you know, like like you smack you on
the nose of the newspaper. Because ghost what was that
name of that during the writer's strike, Neil Patrick Harris? Um,
Neil Patrick Harris had doctor not dr Evil, dr terrible, horrible,
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very bad. That's naughty ghost. M Yeah, so we can
a horrible singalong blog or something like that. It's about
ghost so well, that's sort of it's about it's about
an act that could create a bunch of ghosts potentially
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if it had gone off correctly or as intended. But
let's just dig in. Hey guys, I'm a fairly listener,
would love the podcast. Thanks, Um, you can call me
bad ghosts And boy, have we ever driven that one
into the ground already? And you have permission to use
my code name, this email and any formation on it
in your show, which we shall do directly. I live
in a small city just south of Memphis, Tennessee called
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Olive Branch, Mississippi. UM. That's that's the place where everyone
goes for a forgiveness. UM. Just a few days ago,
on September three, there was a man named Corey Wayne
Patterson who stole a fully fueled King Air ninety from
Tupelo Regional Airport and threatened to crash it into Tupelo
Walmart and links in inn pr piece below. They ended
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up evacuating the Walmart and a nearby convenience store as
a precaution, but they ended up talking the guy down
getting him to land the nearby bean field. Now I'm
no pilot, nor am I educated in the field of aviation,
but there are rumors that this type of plane is
very difficult to fly. I'm not sure of the specific
flight path, but from what I understand, it was a
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very long, uh and um complicated one. It didn't make
a whole lot of sense. Uh. These rumors kind of
make it seeland. It could be some kind of false
flag or conspiracy type event because of how everything went down. Like,
how was he able to gain access to the plane
get it airborne? Um? The length and path taken by
the man piloting the plane, then the fact that he
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warned ground control he planned on committing this act of terrorism,
then decided against it and safely landed this rather large
plane himself. I know you guys are a little more
educated in this area, but I'd love to hear what
you think. I know it made several news networks, but
I like the NPR piece and it was the easiest
and most available to me as I writing this email.
Thank you guys, looking forward to hearing back from y'all.
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The bad ghost Um, yeah, this this made tons of news. Um,
the NPR pieces great. I had similar questions to you
bad ghosts. I think we may we all Did I
know this? This man worked at an airport, but wasn't
like a pilot. What was he like a baggage handler
or something? Did you guys digging into this story at all?
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Super suss? I agree? Very strange, and it's true this
plane is well a special lies the type of plane
you wouldn't just be able to like figure it out,
let alone land it safely. Um. According to the NPR article. No,
he fueled airplanes. So he was a person who actually
went through and made for airplanes, had sufficient fuel in
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them before they would you know, take off or something,
so in preparation Awayne Patterson. That's right, which is a
certain set of skills, but it's not doesn't make you
a pilot or the ability to pilot those airplanes that
you are fueling. Uh, but no license. Yeah, but let's
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let's exercise, if not empathy, let's let's assume the perspective here.
I've always thought it must it must be frustrating for
some aviation professionals to work on planes that they do
not fly. You know, it's like ever the bride's maid,
never the bride. You know, I've done all this work,
and now this this jerk gets to go actually have
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fun with the crap. I'm sure a few people feel
that way. So, uh, maybe it just got too much
for him. But he he alerted authorities, right like he
proactive Patterson proactively contacted local law enforcement viet nine one
one right, that's right. The chief of police of Tupola
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has a really amazing name. By the way, his name
is John Quaca or Kawaka. I don't know it's q
U A k A UM and he he He's made
some comments on on the on the incident, saying that
after leaving the airport, he immediately alerted emergency responsors of
his intention to do harm to the Walmart and particulably
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you know those within Um, no one else on the plane. Um.
As bad Ghost said in the NPR piece, also said
that the Walmart in the nearby Dodges convenience store were evacuated. Um,
they had a hostage negotiator. I mean, it's not really
a hostage out of it is you should only holding
the people of Walmart and Tupelow hostage in a way
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with your with your threats. Um. This book directly to
Patterson as he kind of hovered over the city for hours.
But again like some instruction, but no pilot's license. This
is not like, you know, the kind of plane that
you you just anyone could have access to. And again
I'm no, I don't know pilot or aviation, you know enthusiast,
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even myself, but I can't imagine that all planes are
created equal. Now, you know what the when you look
at it, though, it does look like the kind of
little private plane for some reason I was picturing like
more of a commercial size plane. So this is from
the look of it, it does appear to be kind
of one of those little twin prop kind of deals.
That would be the kind of thing you would take
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up take flying lessons in. But it's the stuff you
see you over here at p DK all the time.
At the airport. You can get you one for around
a million seven for a two thousand five model. Yeah,
in the maintenance, the maintenance itself can be a bit
of a bear. You know, you're making an excellent point
because a plane of any variety, whether you're talking super
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secret stealth reconnaissance craft or whether you're talking a little
cessna the kind that you can famously weld onto a
Ford pinto true story, whether it's whatever aircraft you're talking about,
you cannot, no matter how intelligent you are, you cannot
just hop in and uh poor choice of words here
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winged it. They are complicated. So, uh, you know, it
makes sense that there would be a licensing regime for
these things. But also old do we have um any
insight into Patterson's mental state at the time? Did he stay?
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I know he went on Facebook and I've found that,
but do we have any like official confirmation of motive
of do we know how everything worked out? Is he
getting charged. He's definitely getting charged. He's and may actually
be charged federally. Yeah, because the the f A A right,
I mean, that's this is from a federal crime to
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steal an illegally pirate pilot an aircraft. I believe he's
been charged with grand larceny and and terrorist threats, um.
But the motive is the part of that, you know.
I heard about this in my mind immediately went to
the water crisis, and this being some sort of retribution,
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you know, or some sort of like you know, somebody
going postal for lack of a better, you know, more
elegant term, like as a result of of the you know,
the water issue. That obviously it's not in the same
part of the state. But I just thought maybe that
there's some connection. Um that there's nothing, there's nothing indicating
any motive that I've seen. The FBI Field office though
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that's involved, is in Jackson, you out, which is where
all of the water you know, chaos is going on. Um.
And I didn't even realize that they're as as of
the Monday, when the episode came out where we were
talking about it. The water pressure was back up, that
water was still not ready to drink. When you can
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see photographs of black muck coming out of bathtub flawcets stuff.
There was another public safety alert that UM warned people
not to shower with their mouths open, and uh, watching footage,
there was a lot of like people buying bags of ice,
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you know, and and melting it down and bathing out
of like those gatorade kind of coolers with the little
you know, tap on them. But again, this is unrelated.
It just isn't the same area. Uh, And there is
no connection that that I that I have seen, But
that was where my mind initially went. So to answer
your question and bad Ghost, I found it a little
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odd as well. I do think that that the more
information will come out about the person's motivations, it seems
like maybe it was just a kind of a cry
for help kind of situation. And Ben, you point out
a great, a great plant about the the empathy side
of it is like it would suck to be kind
of a lower level employee with dream you know, of
of of being a pilot and not you know, but
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there's no indication and you know, you can get a
pilot's license if you do enough instruction doesn't mean it's
a commercial pilot's license. Um, and have the cash. I'm
just I I hear you're grown. I'm just speaking to
the guy's mental state, you know. And if the person
is already mentally perhaps compromised, I could see how that
level of bitterness could perhaps boil over into taking action.
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But but I again, we don't really know yet. What
what do you think, man, I'm just saying that the
person is twenty nine years old, They're going through probably
a lot of changes in their life at this time
in their life. They're probably going through a lot of
personal stuff. Everybody is. We all are, literally every one
of us right now listening is going through a ton
of personal stuff that most people don't know is going
on around us. So it's like, who knows what it is.
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But it was definitely felt like a breaking point thing
for him. Uh, And he had access to one of
these planes and made that split decision right because he
didn't make the posts until I think he was in
the air. He was he was communicating stuff out even
through Facebook. This is of course not the first time
someone has absconded with an aircraft. My favorite story I
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kind oft remember the specifics, but my my favorite story
in this regard is there's a guy I heard of
who a number of years ago stole a plane and
flew it in a loop de loop just because he could,
because he had trained for years on a very sophisticated simulator,
like an air simulator flight. And you know, that was
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his um, his everest, that was his the peak. He
needed this summit in his life. But there's no ideology
involved with that, as far as we can tell that ghosts,
there's not ideology involved, at least publicly stated. In Patterson's case,
it reminds me of that old quote often misattributed to Plato,
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be kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
So we don't know what happened with Patterson. Um, we
do know he's alive, he didn't actually crash the plane,
but we'll have to see if he gets consequences, because,
as you said, old the f a A. He's known
for a lot of things, none of which are playing
around with people who just trying to, you know, do
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a jazz riff on a plane flight. There there's a
statement from from the young man's attorney, Anthony L. FARIESI,
he told CNN quote Mr Patterson is a good young
man with no criminal history. We have got our own
investigation into this matter, and we believe him. Sir Patterson
has been laboring under some serious psychological distress that led
to these events. We look forward to defending him in
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this matter and proceeding appropriately. Um. So, you know, kind
of checks out. Definitely interesting to see if there are
any other motives. But it does sound to me like
to your point, Matt, it was just someone uh dealing
with a lot that that reached a breaking point and um,
not making excuses. It was pretty pretty pretty bad way
to act out, you know, with putting other people at risk. Um.
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But you know, again, you can't empathize with the experience
of intense stress and anxiety about the world, you know.
I just want to put this out there. It reminds
me of a story we've talked about on this show before.
Do you guys remember when a guy stole a passenger jet. Yes,
the dude stole a passenger jet and fluid all around
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and was doing like loop de loops like you were
talking about Ben Uh in a giant passenger jet until
he crashed it just I don't know, you know, something
about the allure of having access to a plane, especially
if you're a worker, you know, in any capacity in
an airport. Something about it, I think, And uh, you know,
there's something to me understandable about it. And it's not
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this silly hatom wary right now, which we are not
going to explain in this week's listener mail segment. But uh,
it's just so silly. There's this thing where the average
human being can swim, but not as well as a
fish or other maritime creature. The average human being can run,
though not as swiftly as say, something like a cheetah.
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But one thing people can't do without the aid of
technology is fly. It's literally rarefied air, and there's something
noble and poetic about the attempt to fly, you know. Uh.
In fact, recently last week, as you're hearing this segment,
one of our partner shows, Ridiculous History, embarked on a
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series you would love this Matt inventors who died at
the hand of their own inventions, and the first episode
we thought it would be a one and done. There's
I am so glad this is happening. I know, I
keep I am sorry, I wouldn't shut up about it, guys,
but I'm fascinating. We we're gonna have to have mat
on the show. No our our first one was just
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inventors who died trying to fly and spoiler alert, some
of them were more bone headed than others. Some of
them were noble attempts, uh with you know, with eyes
wide open to quote creed um, and then others were
just like, bro, come on, what do you think was
gonna happen? That sounds amazing? Can't wait to hear it?
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And you shall, good sir, nod to Ben's point. We will.
We will have you on very soon, perhaps on another
edition of what this is, uh you know would be
potentially We always promised these series and then never do them.
But I think this one actually has got legs or wings. Um.
So we're gonna fly on out of here for a
minute and take a break for a worth from our sponsor,
and then we'll make a sit eighth landing back into
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the next segments. All right, and we're back, and we
are jumping to the phone lines. Quick shout out to
a bunch of the people that I talked to earlier. Um,
let's just Sarah and Harvey. If you're listening to this one,
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y'all are awesome. Uh there's Jeremy chicky city slicker jeff
Old Rando shooting a bunch of a bunch of guys. Yeah. Yeah, Um,
So we're gonna jump over to the phone lines and
hear a message from road Runner. Hey guys, this is
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Mike the road Runner Rombis. I was listening to the
going Tonabo Bay episode and it made me pose a
new question. I think you might like to investigate and
report on. I wonder can you find out who the
most dangerous people in the world are and where they
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are being held? You know, um, just the worst of
the worst of the worst of the worst, and where
are we keeping them? And why are they being kept
alive instead of getting rid of them. That's just that's
the whole question right there. Who are these people? Where
where are they being kept? You know, think Hannibal, lector Infinity,
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somebody that bad, and why can't we let them out?
So I think if you explore that, you're gonna find
some real creepy stuff and I'd love to hear it.
So doing a great job. Keep it up, and uh
take it easy. What a fantastic question. I'm really excited
about this one, Roadrunner. You have come to the rights place. Uh, Matt,
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this one, this one really spoke to you. How are
we all of the same mind on this one, I think? So,
I'm really just going to present this in a few
moments here very fast. There is a lot and the
research is pretty extensive, because it's kind of difficult sometimes
to figure out who a is alive and then actually
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where people are incarcerated, where specific criminals are incarcerated, and
you know, there are some lists you can find, but
not all of them are from the most reputable sources.
So it's it's this is question, Roadrunner, Mike is a
it's a little more difficult to answer than we can
do right now. So I think we might have to
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make a full episode, guys, But I will give you
some of the information I found. There's actually how stuff
works article that I would want a reference in this
segment and when we do it later in the future.
It's about one particular place of incarceration, one prison. But
the first thing I would jump to, or at least
that I found, is an article from a website called
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The Next Luxury. I know nothing about this website. I
don't know how I can trust a lot of the
information here. Nothing is cited. It's just kind of a
listical but it does mention some of the most secured
sites on the planet, and maybe we save some of
these other international prisons, like some of them that are
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in Ireland and other places for a full episode, because
I think that you're talking about like Spike Island. I
can't wait. Yeah, as soon as this this is definitely
we're going to do an episode on this. And our
weekly listener mail segment inspires a lot of episodes, but
the reason weren't grateful for it. But this this might
have to be a two parter. Uh. Previously we did
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a deep dive into black sites, which are real thing,
but they're not quite answering your two part question, Roadrunner,
because a lot of people in black sites are bad dudes.
But then a lot of other people who were literally
had a bag put over their head and they were
dragged in this site that doesn't exist. A lot of
them were just innocence who happened to have a similar
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name to the person those forces were looking for. Uh, yeah,
this is this is a dark rabbit hole and especially
you know, we're talking about information that is being closely
managed by state or interstate powers. There's some real stuff
they don't want you to know here. I think, Oh yeah,
you know, he mentions like the hannibal lectors of the
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world and stuff like that. Hey, why are some of
these folks just perma you know, incarcerated, um and not
on death row? Is it? Is it a matter of
of their being kept in like Arkham asylum type like situations,
high level high security psychiatric institutions. Um, yeah, I just
I'm wondering about those types, like the the true monsters,
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you know. So it's often what state of the United
States they committed crime in, so whether or not there
is an enforceable death penalty, and then whether or not
the judge they were in front of chose to give
them that death penalty right in the sentencing part. Those
are the two main factors. And then also prisoners are
often shipped around to different facilities because they have to
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face related charges, especially if they've committed crimes more than
one state. Yes, exactly. So I'm gonna just give you
one example of kind of a prison that is in
itself folklore to an extent, but It's also got inmates
who are a part of the American story of some
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of the major crimes that have occurred in this country.
It's a place that's known as a d X. It's
in Florence, Colorado. There is an an old house stuff
Works article you can read right now if you want
to just jump in right now at this moment. It's
titled The Alcatraz of the Rockies. There's a subtitle, I'm
not gonna it's just it says, why no one ever
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escapes from a d X Florence. Um, this is a
This is the maximum of the maximum security prisons like
super max is that exists on planet Earth. Really because
of its location and because primarily of how it handles
individual inmates. This place, according to what I've read thus far,
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keeps inmates for twenty three out of twenty four hours
in a day in solitary confinement and does not allow much,
if any interaction between prisoners. So it is really just
it's a place to go and you will gets putting
someone in a hole. Basically, that is what a d
X Florence is some people. And the reason I'm talking
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about American folklore and the story of crime in this country.
You've got Ted Kazinski, who I think is still incarcerated there.
But again, this is stuff I need to look up
and confirm before I can tell you precisely. But Ted Kazynski,
the UNI bomber, I believe it's still there. The person
responsible for the Boston marathon bombing, UH, several others. I
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think Eric Rudolph, who was a notorious bomber of abortion clinics,
the person and maybe a few people I think at
least the primary person responsible for the first bombing of
the World Trade Center. Is there an a d X Florence.
It just a lot of the the super bads that
you're you're talking about here, a Roadrunner like they are
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at a d X Florence in Colorado in the middle
of nowhere. Another thing that will get into Sometimes I
just have research locked and loaded that I I wait
put on ice until we have a relevant episode for it.
Another thing to consider road Runner is the prisons outside
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of the US, which often function in very different ways.
I'm thinking specifically of places like Brazil, where there are
are prisons run by inmates. I'm thinking also the fascinating,
terrifying story of some South African prisons and the prison
gangs that run those places. Then of course you can
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see you can see a couple of interesting things in
Russia as well. One thing that was weird, well optimistic.
Get this. I recently had to go to the Netherlands
for some stuff, and while I was there, I learned
that they are bringing in prisoners from other countries in
the European Union because they are running out of prisoners.
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That's how their criminal justice system works. So take note,
United States, there is a way around this. We should
beds here. The dubious distinction of that that just diabolical
incarceration rate. But yes, there are very dangerous people such
that there are laws written specifically to remove what you
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would consider their human rights. Is that for good reason
in some cases? Absolutely? But there is much more of
this story. Matt road Runner, This is a fantastic idea.
Where else are we gonna get our unpaid labor? YEA
and road Runner just want to add a couple more
names to this list of the A d X Florence,
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just so you can dive deeper into that rabbit hole.
Michael Swago. This is the guy who the there's a podcast,
great podcast called dr Death is based on this person,
Michael Swango. I think it's being adapted into TV if
it hasn't already. Terry Nichols, by the way, that's the
the Oklahoma City Bomber, also at a d X hanging
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out forever. Um. Yeah, that's great, as you said, Ben,
great topic. Let's explore it more. But for now, let's
take a word from our sponsor and we'll be back
with more messages from you. And we have returned. One
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last thing. I'd like that here, road Runner that I
think equal interest you. I hope it does, because I'm
throwing it into the episode. How do we define dangerous, right,
because a thought can be a weapon, and there are
a lot of people who are locked up for their thoughts.
But with that in mind, was a complete disregard for
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the value of human life? Oh yes, well that's one
of the official definitions. But I also think there are
political prisoners that uh, local regimes consider h Luther level supervillains.
So I just want it's like pornography. You know, I
can't tell you what it is, but I know when
I see it, So just want to I just want
to throw that teaser in the hell of the teaser
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if I say so myself to you. Uh, and we're
gonna move on something important that is not often talked
about here in uh the US. This comes to us
from someone who picked a moniker that I really love
Latrodectus macton. Now, this is also going to be a
future episode, so we're just going to share latrodectus is
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correspondence and uh, I believe it'll it'll hit home with
a lot of our fellow listeners. Hey there, so I've
gotten into several conversations with several of my friends, a
couple who think I'm a little nutty about food deserts.
I don't have the resources or the time honestly for
the research, but it seems to me that food deserts
are real. You're right there, Latrodectus, and it's a real
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conspiracy from the government. Now that's where we get to
the episode. I don't know if you guys have covered this.
We haven't, but I think you might want to, which
is why I'm writing this email. And we're gonna summarize
some of this Latrodectus honestly because we want to save
some of the information here for that future episode. You say, so,
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my thoughts on a food desert is that it's common
knowledge that fresh meat, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables are
better for diets in general. True, there's no real disputing that. However,
in lower income neighborhoods, there are fewer grocery stores, fewer walmarts, etcetera,
leading to more junk food, less quality food, more fast food,
which in turn creates more health problems and lower income neighborhoods.
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A lot of people lower income neighborhoods are obviously working
lower income jobs, ones that don't have health benefits or
sick leaves, so they have to go to work sick,
or they lose a lot of money that they desperately need.
So by the government, and I honestly don't know how
far this goes up only allowing for lower income neighborhoods
to have lower quality food sources, they're keeping lower income
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neighborhoods lower income. Pause here, because that is now it's
a question of motive and purpose. Did some group do
this by design or did they just accidentally? Yes, and
several terrible ideas that lead to the current state. Also electrodectus.
You may enjoy this. There's a term for what you
see in UH littering interstate on and off ramps, and uh,
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you know the stretch of s Herbia when you look
around and all you see are fast food or convenience
food outlets. That's called a food swamp, which is somehow
even less appealing than a food desert. So yeah, yeah,
it was new to me as a few years ago too,
and it's a it's a powerful image. Let's uh, let's
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continue to explore latrodectus is facts here, all of which
have confirmed a lot of times lower income neighborhoods don't
have their own vehicles. They have to use public transit,
which is honestly not great most of the time, especially
in the US. I'm not sure if you're familiar with
public transit, but what could take maybe ten minutes to
get to work in a car could take two up
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to three hours via public transit, especially in Atlanta. Part
of me is still waiting for a marta bus from
time is money. We're you're spending almost six hours, for example,
on a bus. That's less productivity you could be achieving.
H Latrodectus says they live in the largest city in
the US of a takes forty five minutes to get
across town and good traffic. We feel that in Atlanta
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and Latrodectis says, there are very wealthy neighborhoods here, but
they're also very, very poor neighborhoods as well. And in
the poor neighborhoods, the grocery stores are at least a
fifteen minute drive away, and so for many people, you
have to travel outside of your community on a long
bus trip, maybe several buses, maybe a subway. If you're
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like enough to have one to a grocery store, then
you have to find a way back, which means a
heck of a long travel, right. It's a journey now,
just to get some fresh fruit, some fresh veggies, some eggs.
And here's where it gets crazy. Latrodectis says, the conspiracy
here that I believe is that the government has a
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hand in keeping the lower income families and neighborhoods down.
Let's pause there. I don't want to share the rest
of this excellent letter. Thank you again for writing in UM.
But I think we all recognize the concept of food deserts.
We just we haven't talked about on air, but we
probably talked about it with each other over the years. Absolutely,
I kind of live in one. I mean, you know,
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I don't live that far from the city, but like
the actual area that I live in just sort of
like a you know, starting to have more gentrification and
things like that. But it really is just like gas
stations and little convenience stores and like they're the closest
thing to like a real grocery store walking distance. Uh
is is like a CVS, you know, or Walgreens. Um, yeah,
(32:32):
I mean there's you know, there's a public it's about
ten minutes away. So maybe I'm oversetting the case, but
I do believe in more urban areas where people don't
have access to cars and public transit does take a
very long time, it would be considered based on proximity, right,
like walkable you you would want to live in an
area where you could walk to a fresh produce, a
(32:53):
place where fresh produce is available. I guess I live
in a great place because there's a Kroger in public's
right by me. And I don't know, I mean, I'm
privileged as hell, I guess. Jeezus, Okay, well you still
have to pay at the grocery store, right, Like everybody's
pretty envious. You just go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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It's crazy talk about hyper capitalism. It is nuts what
people throw away. And it's also I mean, I understand
the legal reasoning behind banning dumpster diving, right, like the
liability for diseases and damination, but also you could just
donate the food. You know. One of the one of
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the times I got detained here in Atlanta, I mentioned
many years ago on the show, was when I was
trying to give away bread in a place called Piedmont Park.
I didn't have my sister, there were a lot of
homeless people. I was like, I was like a Dollar
stores Hannah Clause. I had a big black plastic garbage
(34:04):
bag of bread this bakery had thrown away, and I was,
here you go, I've got some bread and this I
will note the officer who told me to stop is
very polite but very very adamant that I stopped. And
also this officer, who I will not name, disclosed that
they believed the law was bull as well. But I
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couldn't get away with it because that's the world in
which we live. Uh yeah. Food deserts are are real thing.
The question of whether or not they are the result
of the conspiracy is tremendously, profoundly fascinating, because I would argue,
with what I hope is solid reasoning, that they are
the result of not one, but multiple conspiracies, systemic conspiracies.
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The date far far back, way before uh. Most of
us listening today we're born, and promise that we will.
We will try to be optimistic towards the end and
share some solutions to some proposed methods of untangling this
Gordian knot of iniquity. Will these be successful strategies? Well,
(35:16):
it depends on who you ask, It depends on how
things are measured, and honestly, it depends on who has
their hand at the wheel of power and money. But
you know, truth be told, a lot of us listening
today are living in food deserts. And that doesn't mean
anything is wrong with you. Doesn't mean anything is wrong
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with your life. It means that some entities and powerful
people that you have never met looked at looked at
you in an indirect way. It looked at you as
a small data point in a very large calculation. And
you don't have enough spending power too to put in
public anywhere near you or any of your cohorts. Right, Yeah,
(36:01):
redlining and Jerrymanderin are not just for state level politics,
and I think that's something that surprise a lot of people.
But consider this a tease. As we said, this segment
will be a shorter one today, I wanted to end
with one surprise. You know, I get a lot of
people reaching out to me on on personal social I
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think we all do, and we enjoy this. We are
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grim Reef Magic Well, grim Reef, your your pal tells
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was unexpected. Um Matt noell uh. Andreana also requested that
we say she is so cool she could end global warming.
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I said, no, no promises, but it's cool to surprise people.
So I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it.
Grim Rey, for I would say that you you owe
your pal, you know, a nice coffee. I would say
something from Tim Horton's, But all of our Canadian friends
assure us that Tim Hortons is overrated. Do you remember
that Timmy's. We've got those emails where people were saying,
(37:53):
it's not what it used to be. Oh, that's what
everyone says about everything. I know. I was thinking, this
same just looks of like a duncan, you know. I mean,
I'm sure people come to America from other countries and
they're like this magic, what is this duncan? And we're
just so sick of it. We're just over it over here,
you know. That's it's the thrill is gone. What's the
same with Timmy's. Yeah. I like it when stores are
(38:16):
just a person's name. I'd appreciate it even more if
they weren't clearly restaurants. I want to walk by a
building that just says you know, Jeremy, and I'm like, whoa,
what are they getting? Into. Yeah, it didn't work out
for p Diddy when he named his restaurant Justin's. I
never went. I feel bad. I'm sorry. Buff. Michael Jordan
(38:39):
has a steakhouse in Chicago called Michael Jordan's Steakhouse. That's
how you do it. Yeah, yeah, But the thing is, though,
wouldn't you expect it to be kind of corny and
like sports memorabilia e and serve like just Applebee's caliber food.
It is apparently very I find I am high. Yeah, exactly, No,
(39:02):
it's apparently very pricey, very high. I heard that. I
wonder if you have to tip, because Jordan is infamous
for never tipping. You mean, but he could tip that basketball.
Oh when you when you sit down at Michael Jordan's Steakhouse,
you have to bet on like seven different things. Yeah,
(39:24):
we've all heard the stories. Are our pals of the
show culture Kings. I don't think. I don't know if
it made it on the air, but years ago we
were talking about Michael Jordan's conspiracies and uh, they schooled
us on that guy's insane competitiveness, which I guess one
must have in his profession. But that's our show for today.
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from the best part of the show, you and your
fellow listeners, and peak behind the kurt of our recording. Today.
I think we're gonna be a little bit punchy. I
think I think we're gonna be coming with the strangeness.
(01:08):
We hope you enjoy this. We're going to uh, we're
gonna answer an incredibly great question from our pal road
Runner on our call in line one std w y
t K. We're going to here's something we haven't examined yet,
weirdly enough, which is the phenomenon that until two thousand
(01:30):
and thirteen or so was called food deserts by the
US government. But before we get into any of that,
we've got we've got an email coming in hot from
a ghost of a particular morality who is very you know,
very concerned, um, very concerned about what you should or
(01:54):
should not fly a plane into. Yeah, pleasant enough, gentlemen,
But bad ghost. Maybe it's like a bad dog, not
not like you know, like like you smack you on
the nose of the newspaper. Because ghost what was that
name of that during the writer's strike, Neil Patrick Harris? Um,
Neil Patrick Harris had doctor not dr Evil, dr terrible, horrible,
(02:22):
very bad. That's naughty ghost. M Yeah, so we can
a horrible singalong blog or something like that. It's about
ghost so well, that's sort of it's about it's about
an act that could create a bunch of ghosts potentially
(02:43):
if it had gone off correctly or as intended. But
let's just dig in. Hey guys, I'm a fairly listener,
would love the podcast. Thanks, Um, you can call me
bad ghosts And boy, have we ever driven that one
into the ground already? And you have permission to use
my code name, this email and any formation on it
in your show, which we shall do directly. I live
in a small city just south of Memphis, Tennessee called
(03:05):
Olive Branch, Mississippi. UM. That's that's the place where everyone
goes for a forgiveness. UM. Just a few days ago,
on September three, there was a man named Corey Wayne
Patterson who stole a fully fueled King Air ninety from
Tupelo Regional Airport and threatened to crash it into Tupelo
Walmart and links in inn pr piece below. They ended
(03:29):
up evacuating the Walmart and a nearby convenience store as
a precaution, but they ended up talking the guy down
getting him to land the nearby bean field. Now I'm
no pilot, nor am I educated in the field of aviation,
but there are rumors that this type of plane is
very difficult to fly. I'm not sure of the specific
flight path, but from what I understand, it was a
(03:50):
very long, uh and um complicated one. It didn't make
a whole lot of sense. Uh. These rumors kind of
make it seeland. It could be some kind of false
flag or conspiracy type event because of how everything went down. Like,
how was he able to gain access to the plane
get it airborne? Um? The length and path taken by
the man piloting the plane, then the fact that he
(04:11):
warned ground control he planned on committing this act of terrorism,
then decided against it and safely landed this rather large
plane himself. I know you guys are a little more
educated in this area, but I'd love to hear what
you think. I know it made several news networks, but
I like the NPR piece and it was the easiest
and most available to me as I writing this email.
Thank you guys, looking forward to hearing back from y'all.
(04:32):
The bad ghost Um, yeah, this this made tons of news. Um,
the NPR pieces great. I had similar questions to you
bad ghosts. I think we may we all Did I
know this? This man worked at an airport, but wasn't
like a pilot. What was he like a baggage handler
or something? Did you guys digging into this story at all?
(04:53):
Super suss? I agree? Very strange, and it's true this
plane is well a special lies the type of plane
you wouldn't just be able to like figure it out,
let alone land it safely. Um. According to the NPR article. No,
he fueled airplanes. So he was a person who actually
went through and made for airplanes, had sufficient fuel in
(05:15):
them before they would you know, take off or something,
so in preparation Awayne Patterson. That's right, which is a
certain set of skills, but it's not doesn't make you
a pilot or the ability to pilot those airplanes that
you are fueling. Uh, but no license. Yeah, but let's
(05:35):
let's exercise, if not empathy, let's let's assume the perspective here.
I've always thought it must it must be frustrating for
some aviation professionals to work on planes that they do
not fly. You know, it's like ever the bride's maid,
never the bride. You know, I've done all this work,
and now this this jerk gets to go actually have
(05:58):
fun with the crap. I'm sure a few people feel
that way. So, uh, maybe it just got too much
for him. But he he alerted authorities, right like he
proactive Patterson proactively contacted local law enforcement viet nine one
one right, that's right. The chief of police of Tupola
(06:21):
has a really amazing name. By the way, his name
is John Quaca or Kawaka. I don't know it's q
U A k A UM and he he He's made
some comments on on the on the incident, saying that
after leaving the airport, he immediately alerted emergency responsors of
his intention to do harm to the Walmart and particulably
(06:42):
you know those within Um, no one else on the plane. Um.
As bad Ghost said in the NPR piece, also said
that the Walmart in the nearby Dodges convenience store were evacuated. Um,
they had a hostage negotiator. I mean, it's not really
a hostage out of it is you should only holding
the people of Walmart and Tupelow hostage in a way
(07:05):
with your with your threats. Um. This book directly to
Patterson as he kind of hovered over the city for hours.
But again like some instruction, but no pilot's license. This
is not like, you know, the kind of plane that
you you just anyone could have access to. And again
I'm no, I don't know pilot or aviation, you know enthusiast,
(07:27):
even myself, but I can't imagine that all planes are
created equal. Now, you know what the when you look
at it, though, it does look like the kind of
little private plane for some reason I was picturing like
more of a commercial size plane. So this is from
the look of it, it does appear to be kind
of one of those little twin prop kind of deals.
That would be the kind of thing you would take
(07:47):
up take flying lessons in. But it's the stuff you
see you over here at p DK all the time.
At the airport. You can get you one for around
a million seven for a two thousand five model. Yeah,
in the maintenance, the maintenance itself can be a bit
of a bear. You know, you're making an excellent point
because a plane of any variety, whether you're talking super
(08:11):
secret stealth reconnaissance craft or whether you're talking a little
cessna the kind that you can famously weld onto a
Ford pinto true story, whether it's whatever aircraft you're talking about,
you cannot, no matter how intelligent you are, you cannot
just hop in and uh poor choice of words here
(08:32):
winged it. They are complicated. So, uh, you know, it
makes sense that there would be a licensing regime for
these things. But also old do we have um any
insight into Patterson's mental state at the time? Did he stay?
(08:52):
I know he went on Facebook and I've found that,
but do we have any like official confirmation of motive
of do we know how everything worked out? Is he
getting charged. He's definitely getting charged. He's and may actually
be charged federally. Yeah, because the the f A A right,
I mean, that's this is from a federal crime to
(09:13):
steal an illegally pirate pilot an aircraft. I believe he's
been charged with grand larceny and and terrorist threats, um.
But the motive is the part of that, you know.
I heard about this in my mind immediately went to
the water crisis, and this being some sort of retribution,
(09:35):
you know, or some sort of like you know, somebody
going postal for lack of a better, you know, more
elegant term, like as a result of of the you know,
the water issue. That obviously it's not in the same
part of the state. But I just thought maybe that
there's some connection. Um that there's nothing, there's nothing indicating
any motive that I've seen. The FBI Field office though
(09:57):
that's involved, is in Jackson, you out, which is where
all of the water you know, chaos is going on. Um.
And I didn't even realize that they're as as of
the Monday, when the episode came out where we were
talking about it. The water pressure was back up, that
water was still not ready to drink. When you can
(10:21):
see photographs of black muck coming out of bathtub flawcets stuff.
There was another public safety alert that UM warned people
not to shower with their mouths open, and uh, watching footage,
there was a lot of like people buying bags of ice,
(10:41):
you know, and and melting it down and bathing out
of like those gatorade kind of coolers with the little
you know, tap on them. But again, this is unrelated.
It just isn't the same area. Uh, And there is
no connection that that I that I have seen, But
that was where my mind initially went. So to answer
your question and bad Ghost, I found it a little
(11:02):
odd as well. I do think that that the more
information will come out about the person's motivations, it seems
like maybe it was just a kind of a cry
for help kind of situation. And Ben, you point out
a great, a great plant about the the empathy side
of it is like it would suck to be kind
of a lower level employee with dream you know, of
of of being a pilot and not you know, but
(11:24):
there's no indication and you know, you can get a
pilot's license if you do enough instruction doesn't mean it's
a commercial pilot's license. Um, and have the cash. I'm
just I I hear you're grown. I'm just speaking to
the guy's mental state, you know. And if the person
is already mentally perhaps compromised, I could see how that
level of bitterness could perhaps boil over into taking action.
(11:47):
But but I again, we don't really know yet. What
what do you think, man, I'm just saying that the
person is twenty nine years old, They're going through probably
a lot of changes in their life at this time
in their life. They're probably going through a lot of
personal stuff. Everybody is. We all are, literally every one
of us right now listening is going through a ton
of personal stuff that most people don't know is going
on around us. So it's like, who knows what it is.
(12:10):
But it was definitely felt like a breaking point thing
for him. Uh, And he had access to one of
these planes and made that split decision right because he
didn't make the posts until I think he was in
the air. He was he was communicating stuff out even
through Facebook. This is of course not the first time
someone has absconded with an aircraft. My favorite story I
(12:33):
kind oft remember the specifics, but my my favorite story
in this regard is there's a guy I heard of
who a number of years ago stole a plane and
flew it in a loop de loop just because he could,
because he had trained for years on a very sophisticated simulator,
like an air simulator flight. And you know, that was
(12:56):
his um, his everest, that was his the peak. He
needed this summit in his life. But there's no ideology
involved with that, as far as we can tell that ghosts,
there's not ideology involved, at least publicly stated. In Patterson's case,
it reminds me of that old quote often misattributed to Plato,
(13:20):
be kind. Everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.
So we don't know what happened with Patterson. Um, we
do know he's alive, he didn't actually crash the plane,
but we'll have to see if he gets consequences, because,
as you said, old the f a A. He's known
for a lot of things, none of which are playing
around with people who just trying to, you know, do
(13:44):
a jazz riff on a plane flight. There there's a
statement from from the young man's attorney, Anthony L. FARIESI,
he told CNN quote Mr Patterson is a good young
man with no criminal history. We have got our own
investigation into this matter, and we believe him. Sir Patterson
has been laboring under some serious psychological distress that led
to these events. We look forward to defending him in
(14:06):
this matter and proceeding appropriately. Um. So, you know, kind
of checks out. Definitely interesting to see if there are
any other motives. But it does sound to me like
to your point, Matt, it was just someone uh dealing
with a lot that that reached a breaking point and um,
not making excuses. It was pretty pretty pretty bad way
to act out, you know, with putting other people at risk. Um.
(14:29):
But you know, again, you can't empathize with the experience
of intense stress and anxiety about the world, you know.
I just want to put this out there. It reminds
me of a story we've talked about on this show before.
Do you guys remember when a guy stole a passenger jet. Yes,
the dude stole a passenger jet and fluid all around
(14:52):
and was doing like loop de loops like you were
talking about Ben Uh in a giant passenger jet until
he crashed it just I don't know, you know, something
about the allure of having access to a plane, especially
if you're a worker, you know, in any capacity in
an airport. Something about it, I think, And uh, you know,
there's something to me understandable about it. And it's not
(15:15):
this silly hatom wary right now, which we are not
going to explain in this week's listener mail segment. But uh,
it's just so silly. There's this thing where the average
human being can swim, but not as well as a
fish or other maritime creature. The average human being can run,
though not as swiftly as say, something like a cheetah.
(15:35):
But one thing people can't do without the aid of
technology is fly. It's literally rarefied air, and there's something
noble and poetic about the attempt to fly, you know. Uh.
In fact, recently last week, as you're hearing this segment,
one of our partner shows, Ridiculous History, embarked on a
(15:58):
series you would love this Matt inventors who died at
the hand of their own inventions, and the first episode
we thought it would be a one and done. There's
I am so glad this is happening. I know, I
keep I am sorry, I wouldn't shut up about it, guys,
but I'm fascinating. We we're gonna have to have mat
on the show. No our our first one was just
(16:20):
inventors who died trying to fly and spoiler alert, some
of them were more bone headed than others. Some of
them were noble attempts, uh with you know, with eyes
wide open to quote creed um, and then others were
just like, bro, come on, what do you think was
gonna happen? That sounds amazing? Can't wait to hear it?
(16:40):
And you shall, good sir, nod to Ben's point. We will.
We will have you on very soon, perhaps on another
edition of what this is, uh you know would be
potentially We always promised these series and then never do them.
But I think this one actually has got legs or wings. Um.
So we're gonna fly on out of here for a
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the next segments. All right, and we're back, and we
are jumping to the phone lines. Quick shout out to
a bunch of the people that I talked to earlier. Um,
let's just Sarah and Harvey. If you're listening to this one,
(17:23):
y'all are awesome. Uh there's Jeremy chicky city slicker jeff
Old Rando shooting a bunch of a bunch of guys. Yeah. Yeah, Um,
So we're gonna jump over to the phone lines and
hear a message from road Runner. Hey guys, this is
(17:43):
Mike the road Runner Rombis. I was listening to the
going Tonabo Bay episode and it made me pose a
new question. I think you might like to investigate and
report on. I wonder can you find out who the
most dangerous people in the world are and where they
(18:03):
are being held? You know, um, just the worst of
the worst of the worst of the worst, and where
are we keeping them? And why are they being kept
alive instead of getting rid of them. That's just that's
the whole question right there. Who are these people? Where
where are they being kept? You know, think Hannibal, lector Infinity,
(18:29):
somebody that bad, and why can't we let them out?
So I think if you explore that, you're gonna find
some real creepy stuff and I'd love to hear it.
So doing a great job. Keep it up, and uh
take it easy. What a fantastic question. I'm really excited
about this one, Roadrunner. You have come to the rights place. Uh, Matt,
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this one, this one really spoke to you. How are
we all of the same mind on this one, I think? So,
I'm really just going to present this in a few
moments here very fast. There is a lot and the
research is pretty extensive, because it's kind of difficult sometimes
to figure out who a is alive and then actually
(19:15):
where people are incarcerated, where specific criminals are incarcerated, and
you know, there are some lists you can find, but
not all of them are from the most reputable sources.
So it's it's this is question, Roadrunner, Mike is a
it's a little more difficult to answer than we can
do right now. So I think we might have to
(19:35):
make a full episode, guys, But I will give you
some of the information I found. There's actually how stuff
works article that I would want a reference in this
segment and when we do it later in the future.
It's about one particular place of incarceration, one prison. But
the first thing I would jump to, or at least
that I found, is an article from a website called
(20:00):
The Next Luxury. I know nothing about this website. I
don't know how I can trust a lot of the
information here. Nothing is cited. It's just kind of a
listical but it does mention some of the most secured
sites on the planet, and maybe we save some of
these other international prisons, like some of them that are
(20:23):
in Ireland and other places for a full episode, because
I think that you're talking about like Spike Island. I
can't wait. Yeah, as soon as this this is definitely
we're going to do an episode on this. And our
weekly listener mail segment inspires a lot of episodes, but
the reason weren't grateful for it. But this this might
have to be a two parter. Uh. Previously we did
(20:46):
a deep dive into black sites, which are real thing,
but they're not quite answering your two part question, Roadrunner,
because a lot of people in black sites are bad dudes.
But then a lot of other people who were literally
had a bag put over their head and they were
dragged in this site that doesn't exist. A lot of
them were just innocence who happened to have a similar
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name to the person those forces were looking for. Uh, yeah,
this is this is a dark rabbit hole and especially
you know, we're talking about information that is being closely
managed by state or interstate powers. There's some real stuff
they don't want you to know here. I think, Oh yeah,
you know, he mentions like the hannibal lectors of the
(21:30):
world and stuff like that. Hey, why are some of
these folks just perma you know, incarcerated, um and not
on death row? Is it? Is it a matter of
of their being kept in like Arkham asylum type like situations,
high level high security psychiatric institutions. Um, yeah, I just
I'm wondering about those types, like the the true monsters,
(21:54):
you know. So it's often what state of the United
States they committed crime in, so whether or not there
is an enforceable death penalty, and then whether or not
the judge they were in front of chose to give
them that death penalty right in the sentencing part. Those
are the two main factors. And then also prisoners are
often shipped around to different facilities because they have to
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face related charges, especially if they've committed crimes more than
one state. Yes, exactly. So I'm gonna just give you
one example of kind of a prison that is in
itself folklore to an extent, but It's also got inmates
who are a part of the American story of some
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of the major crimes that have occurred in this country.
It's a place that's known as a d X. It's
in Florence, Colorado. There is an an old house stuff
Works article you can read right now if you want
to just jump in right now at this moment. It's
titled The Alcatraz of the Rockies. There's a subtitle, I'm
not gonna it's just it says, why no one ever
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escapes from a d X Florence. Um, this is a
This is the maximum of the maximum security prisons like
super max is that exists on planet Earth. Really because
of its location and because primarily of how it handles
individual inmates. This place, according to what I've read thus far,
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keeps inmates for twenty three out of twenty four hours
in a day in solitary confinement and does not allow much,
if any interaction between prisoners. So it is really just
it's a place to go and you will gets putting
someone in a hole. Basically, that is what a d
X Florence is some people. And the reason I'm talking
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about American folklore and the story of crime in this country.
You've got Ted Kazinski, who I think is still incarcerated there.
But again, this is stuff I need to look up
and confirm before I can tell you precisely. But Ted Kazynski,
the UNI bomber, I believe it's still there. The person
responsible for the Boston marathon bombing, UH, several others. I
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think Eric Rudolph, who was a notorious bomber of abortion clinics,
the person and maybe a few people I think at
least the primary person responsible for the first bombing of
the World Trade Center. Is there an a d X Florence.
It just a lot of the the super bads that
you're you're talking about here, a Roadrunner like they are
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at a d X Florence in Colorado in the middle
of nowhere. Another thing that will get into Sometimes I
just have research locked and loaded that I I wait
put on ice until we have a relevant episode for it.
Another thing to consider road Runner is the prisons outside
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of the US, which often function in very different ways.
I'm thinking specifically of places like Brazil, where there are
are prisons run by inmates. I'm thinking also the fascinating,
terrifying story of some South African prisons and the prison
gangs that run those places. Then of course you can
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see you can see a couple of interesting things in
Russia as well. One thing that was weird, well optimistic.
Get this. I recently had to go to the Netherlands
for some stuff, and while I was there, I learned
that they are bringing in prisoners from other countries in
the European Union because they are running out of prisoners.
(25:32):
That's how their criminal justice system works. So take note,
United States, there is a way around this. We should
beds here. The dubious distinction of that that just diabolical
incarceration rate. But yes, there are very dangerous people such
that there are laws written specifically to remove what you
(25:56):
would consider their human rights. Is that for good reason
in some cases? Absolutely? But there is much more of
this story. Matt road Runner, This is a fantastic idea.
Where else are we gonna get our unpaid labor? YEA
and road Runner just want to add a couple more
names to this list of the A d X Florence,
(26:16):
just so you can dive deeper into that rabbit hole.
Michael Swago. This is the guy who the there's a podcast,
great podcast called dr Death is based on this person,
Michael Swango. I think it's being adapted into TV if
it hasn't already. Terry Nichols, by the way, that's the
the Oklahoma City Bomber, also at a d X hanging
(26:37):
out forever. Um. Yeah, that's great, as you said, Ben,
great topic. Let's explore it more. But for now, let's
take a word from our sponsor and we'll be back
with more messages from you. And we have returned. One
(26:57):
last thing. I'd like that here, road Runner that I
think equal interest you. I hope it does, because I'm
throwing it into the episode. How do we define dangerous, right,
because a thought can be a weapon, and there are
a lot of people who are locked up for their thoughts.
But with that in mind, was a complete disregard for
(27:18):
the value of human life? Oh yes, well that's one
of the official definitions. But I also think there are
political prisoners that uh, local regimes consider h Luther level supervillains.
So I just want it's like pornography. You know, I
can't tell you what it is, but I know when
I see it, So just want to I just want
to throw that teaser in the hell of the teaser
(27:39):
if I say so myself to you. Uh, and we're
gonna move on something important that is not often talked
about here in uh the US. This comes to us
from someone who picked a moniker that I really love
Latrodectus macton. Now, this is also going to be a
future episode, so we're just going to share latrodectus is
(28:04):
correspondence and uh, I believe it'll it'll hit home with
a lot of our fellow listeners. Hey there, so I've
gotten into several conversations with several of my friends, a
couple who think I'm a little nutty about food deserts.
I don't have the resources or the time honestly for
the research, but it seems to me that food deserts
are real. You're right there, Latrodectus, and it's a real
(28:27):
conspiracy from the government. Now that's where we get to
the episode. I don't know if you guys have covered this.
We haven't, but I think you might want to, which
is why I'm writing this email. And we're gonna summarize
some of this Latrodectus honestly because we want to save
some of the information here for that future episode. You say, so,
(28:48):
my thoughts on a food desert is that it's common
knowledge that fresh meat, fresh fruit, and fresh vegetables are
better for diets in general. True, there's no real disputing that. However,
in lower income neighborhoods, there are fewer grocery stores, fewer walmarts, etcetera,
leading to more junk food, less quality food, more fast food,
which in turn creates more health problems and lower income neighborhoods.
(29:11):
A lot of people lower income neighborhoods are obviously working
lower income jobs, ones that don't have health benefits or
sick leaves, so they have to go to work sick,
or they lose a lot of money that they desperately need.
So by the government, and I honestly don't know how
far this goes up only allowing for lower income neighborhoods
to have lower quality food sources, they're keeping lower income
(29:32):
neighborhoods lower income. Pause here, because that is now it's
a question of motive and purpose. Did some group do
this by design or did they just accidentally? Yes, and
several terrible ideas that lead to the current state. Also electrodectus.
You may enjoy this. There's a term for what you
see in UH littering interstate on and off ramps, and uh,
(29:58):
you know the stretch of s Herbia when you look
around and all you see are fast food or convenience
food outlets. That's called a food swamp, which is somehow
even less appealing than a food desert. So yeah, yeah,
it was new to me as a few years ago too,
and it's a it's a powerful image. Let's uh, let's
(30:21):
continue to explore latrodectus is facts here, all of which
have confirmed a lot of times lower income neighborhoods don't
have their own vehicles. They have to use public transit,
which is honestly not great most of the time, especially
in the US. I'm not sure if you're familiar with
public transit, but what could take maybe ten minutes to
get to work in a car could take two up
(30:41):
to three hours via public transit, especially in Atlanta. Part
of me is still waiting for a marta bus from
time is money. We're you're spending almost six hours, for example,
on a bus. That's less productivity you could be achieving.
H Latrodectus says they live in the largest city in
the US of a takes forty five minutes to get
across town and good traffic. We feel that in Atlanta
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and Latrodectis says, there are very wealthy neighborhoods here, but
they're also very, very poor neighborhoods as well. And in
the poor neighborhoods, the grocery stores are at least a
fifteen minute drive away, and so for many people, you
have to travel outside of your community on a long
bus trip, maybe several buses, maybe a subway. If you're
(31:27):
like enough to have one to a grocery store, then
you have to find a way back, which means a
heck of a long travel, right. It's a journey now,
just to get some fresh fruit, some fresh veggies, some eggs.
And here's where it gets crazy. Latrodectis says, the conspiracy
here that I believe is that the government has a
(31:48):
hand in keeping the lower income families and neighborhoods down.
Let's pause there. I don't want to share the rest
of this excellent letter. Thank you again for writing in UM.
But I think we all recognize the concept of food deserts.
We just we haven't talked about on air, but we
probably talked about it with each other over the years. Absolutely,
I kind of live in one. I mean, you know,
(32:10):
I don't live that far from the city, but like
the actual area that I live in just sort of
like a you know, starting to have more gentrification and
things like that. But it really is just like gas
stations and little convenience stores and like they're the closest
thing to like a real grocery store walking distance. Uh
is is like a CVS, you know, or Walgreens. Um, yeah,
(32:32):
I mean there's you know, there's a public it's about
ten minutes away. So maybe I'm oversetting the case, but
I do believe in more urban areas where people don't
have access to cars and public transit does take a
very long time, it would be considered based on proximity, right,
like walkable you you would want to live in an
area where you could walk to a fresh produce, a
(32:53):
place where fresh produce is available. I guess I live
in a great place because there's a Kroger in public's
right by me. And I don't know, I mean, I'm
privileged as hell, I guess. Jeezus, Okay, well you still
have to pay at the grocery store, right, Like everybody's
pretty envious. You just go, oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
(33:19):
It's crazy talk about hyper capitalism. It is nuts what
people throw away. And it's also I mean, I understand
the legal reasoning behind banning dumpster diving, right, like the
liability for diseases and damination, but also you could just
donate the food. You know. One of the one of
(33:42):
the times I got detained here in Atlanta, I mentioned
many years ago on the show, was when I was
trying to give away bread in a place called Piedmont Park.
I didn't have my sister, there were a lot of
homeless people. I was like, I was like a Dollar
stores Hannah Clause. I had a big black plastic garbage
(34:04):
bag of bread this bakery had thrown away, and I was,
here you go, I've got some bread and this I
will note the officer who told me to stop is
very polite but very very adamant that I stopped. And
also this officer, who I will not name, disclosed that
they believed the law was bull as well. But I
(34:26):
couldn't get away with it because that's the world in
which we live. Uh yeah. Food deserts are are real thing.
The question of whether or not they are the result
of the conspiracy is tremendously, profoundly fascinating, because I would argue,
with what I hope is solid reasoning, that they are
the result of not one, but multiple conspiracies, systemic conspiracies.
(34:49):
The date far far back, way before uh. Most of
us listening today we're born, and promise that we will.
We will try to be optimistic towards the end and
share some solutions to some proposed methods of untangling this
Gordian knot of iniquity. Will these be successful strategies? Well,
(35:16):
it depends on who you ask, It depends on how
things are measured, and honestly, it depends on who has
their hand at the wheel of power and money. But
you know, truth be told, a lot of us listening
today are living in food deserts. And that doesn't mean
anything is wrong with you. Doesn't mean anything is wrong
(35:36):
with your life. It means that some entities and powerful
people that you have never met looked at looked at
you in an indirect way. It looked at you as
a small data point in a very large calculation. And
you don't have enough spending power too to put in
public anywhere near you or any of your cohorts. Right, Yeah,
(36:01):
redlining and Jerrymanderin are not just for state level politics,
and I think that's something that surprise a lot of people.
But consider this a tease. As we said, this segment
will be a shorter one today, I wanted to end
with one surprise. You know, I get a lot of
people reaching out to me on on personal social I
(36:23):
think we all do, and we enjoy this. We are
actually friends with each other in real life, and we
hope you understand that you were a big part of
the show as well. That being said, gentlemen, we are
going to end this week's listener mail segment by embarrassing someone.
Are you down down for a little all right? Well,
(36:48):
ribbon a little ribbon well. This is a message from
Canadian conspiracy realist pal of ours andre Adam. Andreanna says,
shout out to Elizabeth Burns a k a. Elizabeth of
grim Reef Magic Well, grim Reef, your your pal tells
(37:10):
us that you enjoy listening to the show. I don't
know if you've ever wrote in, but that it would
make your day if you've got a shout out that
was unexpected. Um Matt noell uh. Andreana also requested that
we say she is so cool she could end global warming.
(37:31):
I said, no, no promises, but it's cool to surprise people.
So I hope you enjoyed it. I hope you enjoyed it.
Grim Rey, for I would say that you you owe
your pal, you know, a nice coffee. I would say
something from Tim Horton's, But all of our Canadian friends
assure us that Tim Hortons is overrated. Do you remember
that Timmy's. We've got those emails where people were saying,
(37:53):
it's not what it used to be. Oh, that's what
everyone says about everything. I know. I was thinking, this
same just looks of like a duncan, you know. I mean,
I'm sure people come to America from other countries and
they're like this magic, what is this duncan? And we're
just so sick of it. We're just over it over here,
you know. That's it's the thrill is gone. What's the
same with Timmy's. Yeah. I like it when stores are
(38:16):
just a person's name. I'd appreciate it even more if
they weren't clearly restaurants. I want to walk by a
building that just says you know, Jeremy, and I'm like, whoa,
what are they getting? Into. Yeah, it didn't work out
for p Diddy when he named his restaurant Justin's. I
never went. I feel bad. I'm sorry. Buff. Michael Jordan
(38:39):
has a steakhouse in Chicago called Michael Jordan's Steakhouse. That's
how you do it. Yeah, yeah, But the thing is, though,
wouldn't you expect it to be kind of corny and
like sports memorabilia e and serve like just Applebee's caliber food.
It is apparently very I find I am high. Yeah, exactly, No,
(39:02):
it's apparently very pricey, very high. I heard that. I
wonder if you have to tip, because Jordan is infamous
for never tipping. You mean, but he could tip that basketball.
Oh when you when you sit down at Michael Jordan's Steakhouse,
you have to bet on like seven different things. Yeah,
(39:24):
we've all heard the stories. Are our pals of the
show culture Kings. I don't think. I don't know if
it made it on the air, but years ago we
were talking about Michael Jordan's conspiracies and uh, they schooled
us on that guy's insane competitiveness, which I guess one
must have in his profession. But that's our show for today.
(39:47):
Give us your pitches on on people's names that should
be stores. Tell us what they sell. You know, the
weirder the better. Frankly, uh, we can't wait to hear
from you. Out out to road Runner, shout out to
Bad Ghosts, shout out to Electrodectus. If you want to
take a page from their book, then why not reach out?
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it's the best, right, I love it. I use it
every day. All oh, sorry, I was gonna do it
after when you were you were on the roll, you
were in a role band. It sounded like you were
(40:29):
rapping almost in The moment is past, the moment is fast.
Keep it in, Let's keep it in. This is we're
being endearing, very kind. The first term. It's prett to scallier,
you know, the moment where you like, think of the
thing that but it's just all of this. Yes, well,
(40:55):
doctor prose doc has been classing up the show for
quite a while now, but we've got to describe what happened. Guys, folks,
we really are super punchy today. So Here's what happened.
As we were wrapping up, Matt and I see nol
like scrambling for his phone and going, hey, hey guys,
I missed it. I missed it. Hang on, it was
(41:16):
it was a beautiful moment. Maybe it'll make it to
the to the YouTube. But yeah, social media, that's the THINGIP,
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we'll take it and store it and use it one day,
(42:00):
can you say? Really quickly? Scams have gotten so much
more robust and like clever. I almost felt for one.
The other day I got an email from geek squad
from best Buy saying that they had re up some
sort of subscription for coverage for this computer. And it
rang true because I had bought a computer from a
best Buy from my mom years ago. I remember paying
(42:20):
for anything like that. And there's a number to call
geek Squad to cancel. I call it. It's just to do.
This is geek Squad Hello, Like, come on, man, you
gotta try hard, but I can't. I stayed all with
him for a minute before I was just like and
then I looked that it was from a Gmail address.
So thanks to all those fishing uh simulations that our
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(42:42):
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We didn't just yeah, well I have this staff. Uh,
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