April 29, 2021 • 55 mins
A listener details their experience with the controversial, powerful psychoactive substance known as ibogaine. The guys explore the ins and outs of the recent conspiracy theories surrounding Bill Gates, vaccination and COVID-19. All this and more in this week's listener mail.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio Hello and welcome back the show.
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My name is Noel. Our compatriot Matt will return soon,
they called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Paul. Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you,
You are here, and that makes this the stuff they
don't want you to know. It's that time of the
week again. It's time for listener mail, and we have
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some very interesting things things on the docket today, folks. This,
as you know, is something that we we spend a
lot of time curating. We go through our full line
one three three st d w y t K, We
go through our email conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com.
We speak to folks all the time across social media platforms,
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and then we try to we try to find the
pieces of communication that we think our fellow listeners will
enjoy or need to hear. Because Noels, sometimes we've gone
to some dark places with these Yeah, we have and
likely will continue to do so today. Uh Mine anyway
is is a little on the dark side, but yeah,
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to try to inject a little levity into the proceedings.
How about you better your darker light today. Uh, this
is this is both. I would describe this one as
heavy and profound. As a matter of fact, let's start
there with an email from an anonymous listener that I'm
gonna call Anonymous Voltaire. And let's start with let's start
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with the the inspiration for that nickname at the very
end of your email. This is a good tease, I think, Uh,
Anonymous Voltaire, you wrote due to the illegal nature of
this subject, I will remain nameless on your show because,
as in the words of Voltaire, it is dangerous to
be right on matters in which the established authorities are wrong.
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Pretty good tease, right to put put the end at
the beginning there. We're playing with time a little bit here,
because Anonymous Voltaire's email is about something that many of
our fellow listeners have written to UH to ask us
questions about in the past, including Bridget B who suggested
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our series on the Dark side of the Fashion industry.
Here's what Anonymous says. I've been listening for a long
time now, considered writing in many times but none of
but they were all from little details that didn't feel
like they were worth the email. However, says Anonymous, I
have been going back through some of the episodes I
missed over the last year and was inspired to share
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a story with you all. I put this off for
a couple of weeks, but after last week's episode on
drug addiction and rehab, I feel my subject fits him
perfectly because my story is about ebo gain and we've
talked about ebo gain a little bit in the past.
Right now, is that a drug? Well, I don't know.
This is sorry that says like it makes me think
of the term ibada, which is like a financial term.
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I don't think. I remember ebo gain helped me out. Oh,
I remember evadabada was that was? That was a fun
meeting the first time I learned about those and tried,
not the last. Very excitingest man, I'm talking to us, Yes,
so we've talked a little bit briefly about this substance,
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Anonymous says. I feel certain you can make a full
show about the subject if you haven't already, because of
its mysterious and dynamic history, from its sacramental spiritual use
in the witty tribe of West Africa, to Howard Lotsov
discovery and promotion of its anti addictive properties, and ebo
gain to the laws of US scheduling because it's illegal here,
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to its band shortly after hunter s Thompson's famous fiasco,
and finally to the rehab psychedelic tourism occurring around the
world right now. But as you might say that as
a whole other bag of badgers. Nice. This is um
where he starts explaining what ebo gain is, and I'm
paraphrasing here. This is a lovely letter, so we're gonna
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read excerpts of it. Uh. Ebo gain says, Anonymous is
a chemical found in a plant called tabernath eboga. Ebo
gain is a class of chemicals called trip to means,
along with serotonin, d m T, psilocybin, and LSD, and
it can cause hallucinatory and psychedelic effects when ingested in
large enough quantities. People will do this, most famously for
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addiction or trauma therapy, but none of them the uses
anonymous means are recreational because get this, it is not
a very pleasant experience. In many ways. It causes severe
a taxia lasting twenty four hours or more severe nausea
for much of that twenty four hours, and an inability
to see clearly for over twenty four hours, all the
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while stimulating the user's mind so that they are capital
letters wide awake for that whole time. Due to these
severe physical reactions, the users bound to a bed with
their eyes closed. During this period of closed eyed sleep,
deep thought, and deep thought, many people experience visual manifestations
in their mind's eye that, unlike any other psychedelic drug
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I have experience, are extremely realistic and unusual and could
be defined more as visions than visuals, if that makes sense.
It's a vision quest. So taking that all in the
idea of ingesting this stuff sounds a lot less fun
than say micro docing or they're doing some mushrooms right. Yeah,
it makes me think of like some of the negative
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descriptions of like salvia, for example, that I've always start
I never I think maybe I smoked fake Salvier or something,
but I remember someone saying it makes you feel like
you're like a like a trapezoid or something, which I
don't fully understand. Um, But yeah, no, that does not
that sounds like all the bad parts of psychedelic experimentation
and none of the good. It's like pure paranoia and
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out of body, you know, discomfort and none of the
like you know Catharsis. Yeah, that's the thing in Anonymous
goes on to tell us that despite the unpleasant aspects
of this UH, they were able to experience profound positive
psychological changes. And when we look at the history of
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this UH, it seems to be a common pattern that's reported.
So despite the pretty heavy, not fun effects, it appears
that numerous cultures have embraced this as a kind of
medicine for alcoholism, for rowin addiction, for different um psychological
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issues people are struggling with. And it's a very old
old drug. It was first reported by Europeans, who Belgian
and French colonists who found these communities in Africa using
eboga in spiritual ceremonies and you know it's coming at
them through this outsider's lens, right, But the first description
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of this plant in European literature dates back to eighteen
eighty nine. And then the guy Anonymous mentions there is
one of the first people in the nineteen sixties, I believe,
who said, yeah, nineteen sixty two, who there was a
guy named Howard, lots of which Anonymous mentions who his
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story is interesting. Here's probably the best way to say it.
He's the first person to publicly note the anti addictive
properties of this substance. But they he got there is
pretty harrowing. He was nineteen years old and he and
five friends had had a real problem. They were all like,
they were heroin addicts, and they had tried different treatments
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and nothing worked, and they were gained desperate. But they
noticed that doing this drug, despite the fact that it
lays you out for twenty four hours and their unpleasant
physical effects, doing this drug significantly reduced their cravings and
their withdrawal symptoms from heroin. If it's like it works,
that's that's awesome. I mean, I'm really glad to hear that.
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And and it certainly seems in line with some of
the conversations we've had recently and the larger conversation about
using psychedelics to treat addiction. Um, so many people are
micro dosing just for their own day to day kind
of mental wellness. And again we this is not medical advice.
We are not here to tell anyone what to do
or how to live. But it's certainly something that I
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have experienced people having positive effects with and their researches
there to back it up. Now, I believe it was
Johns Hopkins UM study that that indicated, like a double
blind study that indicated that folks who were taking psilocybin
were more likely to come out of depression or to
to have positive effects um on their depression. So yeah,
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I think that the all the salt, this all tracks, uh,
And I'm I'm really looking forward to seeing this conversation
become much more mainstreamed and become part of regular psychotherapy.
You know, that's just me personally in my opinion, Um,
but I do, I do see it as a very
positive thing. Yeah, I agree. I think it's on the
way because of the some of the stigmas are being shed.
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I think the conversation is definitely changing. But there was
a really interesting series of events. So when psychoactive or
hallucinogenic substances are illegal, it becomes a little more complicated
for people to conduct research with them. So, in very
real way, some of the hardline drug laws in different
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countries have stymied what appears to be valuable, meaningful medical research.
And now that some of that research is coming out.
The facts are proving that there may be efficacy to
many of these substances. I'd like to give everyone a
taste of anonymous story here with their personal experience. This
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is where my story starts. They say, many years ago,
I was asked to help a friend procured this medicine
for her. Since I have an obscure skill set, I
was able to make this happen. But she was hesitant
to take a risk on an unknown compound extracted from
an unknown plant sample sent from an unknown person in Cameroon.
So I appliged shirt and tried it first to confirm.
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The twenty four hours that followed were awful, as in
full of awe, objectively better than awesome. But I only
want to share a couple of highlights. And they talked
about how they had these active visual hallucinations and this
person was, they said. Anonymous says they saw an elderly
person in their eighties or nineties, and they recognized them,
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but I couldn't put my mental finger on who this
person was. They started getting younger, seamlessly, d aging all
the way to a fetus and beyond, and I realized
about halfway through this old person was me. I was
looking at myself as an old person. The feelings indescribable.
And then there's a wooden mask that floats into the
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vision and leads them through a field of photographs that
are lined up in a quote seemingly endless row of columns,
and every so often the mask would fly down and
return with a photo, and Anonymous says, I realized I
was looking at all my memories presented to me in
chronological order. Each time the mask showed me a photo,
it was of a moment in life that I did
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not like. Something I had done to someone, something someone
had done to me, or something I had done to
myself that was really destructive on my psyche. So while
showing me this memory, it would ask me, is this
you That I would think about it and reply, no,
that's not me. That's that's incredible because what that person
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is describing is a negative side effect in in a
way of psychedelics. Uh, where you if you're having a
quote unquote bad trip, right, it means a lot of
times your brain keeps cycling through negative things, uh, and
sort of like almost like making you feel shame in
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some way, or like just making you like see every
mistake you've ever made, or like you know, judge your
life in some horrible way. Um, but that can be positive,
that can be its own kind of catharsis if you
learn from it, um and and it's not just inflated
and like alarmist, you know what I mean. So if
you're actually taking a hard look at yourself and and
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like having these moments flashed before your eyes and assess
saying is this me? And and answering yourself, no, this
is not me, then that means you're differentiating between the
version of yourself that you want to be in the
version of yourself that you're being faced with. You know, yes,
well said agreed on all points. And there's a there's
an excellent article in The Guardian by Alex hannah Ford
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that if it will be of interest to you, anonymous,
if you haven't seen it, and to anybody else in
the audience today who want to learn more about this.
The article is titled Dying to Get Clean is Ebo
Gained the Answer to heroin Addiction? And it begins with
one of with the story of another person who found
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themselves being a functional addict without a good solution to
breaking the cycle of addiction, and so they also, in desperation,
flew out to have a ceremony with this substance. And
for a lot of people who are driven to this point,
there are multiple rehab trips didn't work. There were other attempts,
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maybe cold turkey, maybe incrementally lowering dosages, and it never
quite did it. But this medicine worked for this guy
as well, this substance. UH. He also did not have
fun because I don't think you're supposed to if you
look at the ceremony that this is traditionally used in
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the blitty ceremony kind of means ancestors ceremony. And in
those communities when you do this, it's a day. It's
a multi day. UH. Death and rebirth is how it's
seen culturally. So they believe that those hallucinations in those
visions are a form of you dying and a new
thing returning. Surprisingly, it's not illegal everywhere. It is illegal
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in the US, but there's a thing called the Global
Ebo Gain Therapy Alliance that works to I think, advocate
for the monitored use of this UH. And the experts,
just like with psilocybin, are increasingly UM. I would say
increasingly vociferous in their in their defense of this, but
it's still restricted in the UK and it's outright banned
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in the US, which makes sense to me. I mean,
it's one of only two drugs that are two plants
I think that are scheduled that at that level of
you know danger, right, what's the other one in marijuana? Still? Yeah, yeah,
I believe it's marijuana. So here's the thing. If you
want to sign up for an addiction program using this um,
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you'll find a lot of you'll find a lot of opportunities,
but you have to be careful because you're probably talking
to people just on the internet. Right. So one guy's
experience is that he looked at a bunch of different
plans but they seemed kind of scar or maybe I
don't want to say scams, but they seemed like they
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seemed expensive and and yes, sketchy is probably the best word. Uh.
Here's an example from the Guardian article. Uh, the guy,
the guy who we're trying to find out how to
use Ebo game to cure himself. He got in correspondence
one place that said the cost of a seven day
addiction program was normally eight thousand dollars. However, I'd be
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able to credit one thousand and that towards your airfare.
At least one email said I would need a five
dollar refundable deposit on a credit card and the remaining
six thousand, five hundred can be paid via wire transfer
or a cashier's check. Uh, and the nurse can do
a health screening over Skype. I feel like that much
money you need a real physical YEA, what well, like,
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have they made any more advances in that, like tele
medicine stuff where you can literally have like robot arms
that like prode you, you know, through some kind of
interface that. Uh, there's definitely tell us surgery. I'm bean,
I'm I'm joking, but there there there are technologies that
that they're working on. It would allow you know, like
a human to sit in some kind of pod while
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the surgeon remotely does a procedure. In the future, there
I'm sure there will be at the very least bio
feedback devices that you can hook up to it get
monitored on. But with this, it sounded like the nurse
would be conducting a Q and NG, just self reporting
your own health, which is sometimes not the best idea.
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But the guy does find someone who can trust uh
DCOR and r g WAP in South Africa. And his
story here is strange because these and he got these
instructions that said, you know, quit doing any drugs long
enough to encounter withdrawal symptoms when you get to this clinic.
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So this is already not a pleasant plane ride, right
for someone whose substance dependent he's flying from London to
South Africa. This was strange. I mean, there's one detail
has stood out. As soon as this guy Jay arrives,
he has given a dose of morphine, like I guess,
to combat those withdrawal symptoms. And then he talks about
how he's given these pills of ebo gain. Over the
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next twelve to eighteen hours that were a blur. He
did experience visions, without going too into detail, and those
he flew back home and in the ten months since
that trip he has not had a relapse of any sort.
So that seems to be positive. But there's one thing
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we should end on here, um ebo gain is not
In addition to not being pleasant, there are strong arguments
that's also not safe. A review of medical reports of
hard issues associated with ebo gain notices that there are
life threatening complications and sudden death cases. It estimated, according
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to this author, that one and four people die from
taking this substance because they have pre existing heart conditions
where they have seizures due to acute withdrawal where they
take opioids while also under the influence of ebo games.
So this is not something to mess around with if
you are UM, if you are a person who recreationally
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ingest various drugs just to see right, just to have
an experiment weird fun time, UM, do be very careful
about confusing ebo game with a recreational substance. It sounds
like it is very much not. But we enjoyed this
email Anonymous full Taire. I know that's just a nickname
I made up for you, but I hope you like it.
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Please send us your stories about visions on ebo gain.
I'm thinking you know, I'm gonna be honest. Noal, I
would try it. Yeah, I think I would too, but
we I think we both want it to be under
the guidance of a medical professional right to the very
least a shaman of some sort. And with that, stay safe, everybody,
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let us know about your experiences and will pause for
a word from our sponsor. Then we'll return and we're back.
You see what I'm saying. No, that one's kind of heavy.
It could help people, but it could kill them. Uh.
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The speaking of segues, that makes me think of something
really similar that's going on with our our old pal
Billy G. That you met in person, Billy G. Bill Gates.
Oh God, sorry, that's right. And the thing that I
most remember about that encounter was how little security he had.
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He had one kind of intense looking do that they
clearly had a whole another hotel room rented next door
to the room where it was for stuff you should know.
Josh and Chuck interviewed him because he's literally wanted to
be on stuff you should know, and they never have guests,
so that was like a very unique thing. But he
was promoting he's got all these initiatives as we know,
he was promoting this clean energy initie. But the thing
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that Bill Gates is most known for, I think, outside
of like you know, Microsoft and and all that, is
public health initiatives. He's he's really big on fighting malaria,
for example, um in in third world countries and um
just the whole idea he he did honestly predict what
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we're going through right now, you know, the the global pandemic. Uh.
Years ago, he said that the next big crisis isn't
gonna be you know, the terrorist crisis. It's not gonna
be like war. It's gonna be a biological crisis, and
we're not prepared for it. You know. He said this
in some kind of ted talk situation. Um, because of
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all of the moves that he makes in that world,
he he can, and because he's ultimately a private citizen
who has a lot of impact on policy, uh, and
these types of initiatives, he almost is like a one
man kind of sub government in a weird way, Like
he has so much influence and control and and he's
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able to, you know, really affect a lot of change,
which makes him a divisive figure to some, let us say,
and one of those people, he's very a very divisive figure. Uh.
Two is is our anonymous emailer who sent in a
wanted poster. It looks like a typical kind of mug
shot with like a rundown with the name and d
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O B in height and weight. Hair is gray. Apparently,
UM education in a real sting, stinging diss here says
college dropout um net worth a hundred billion US. And
then it's got a couple of his known addresses. I
guess he's got a residence in Medina, Washington and one
in del Mar, California. Um. And you know, and then
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it goes into you know, case information. And by the way,
it's got like a sheriff's badge on the top left
imblemence as we the people in the script you know
from the constitution, um, and his case information, Bill Gates
must be stopped. His medical reign of terror and crimes
against humanity are listed here. Uh. And then there's eight
quote unquote crimes here, um, all of which are there's
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some grain of truth to some of them. They're pretty hyperbolic.
All of them are pretty easy to google and and
and disprove. The way the claims are made, things like
funding and planning the COVID nineteen pandemic. H Right, Like, Okay,
that's I think we know that Bill Gates did not
fund and plan the COVID nineteen pandemic. Um. I think
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that's pretty clear that it was you know, a something
that happened at a wet market in in in China,
and uh, kind of ballooned out of control, and you know,
I know there's gonna be conspiracy theories surrounding this for
many years to come. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates didn't singlehandedly,
you know, manufacturer and distribute this virus to to what end?
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I would ask, Yeah, it doesn't. It depends really on
what specific conspiratorial direction someone goes here, Like, it is
true that he has funded research into how to handle
a pandemic, but to say that's the same thing as
planning to create one is a lot like saying, hey,
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you know those uh you know how meteorologists create hurricanes.
They don't. They try to predict them right and try
to help people stay away from the natural disaster that
is a hurricane and a pandemic is not the same
because it's a It was a statistical certitude and has
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been for a number of years. So planning to get
ahead of that is not the same thing as doing it.
But for people who think he was planning to um
spearhead a pandemic, then the obvious there are obviously problems
with that. We discussed earlier, and one of those problems
is if you are doing it to reduce the world's population,
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which was one of the old conspiracy theories. You would
need to find a much more efficient virus COVID. COVID
is good at spreading, but it's not it's it's not
killing a huge ton of I mean it's killing. It
is fatal, but it's not like people aren't dying, you know, right,
And and you know again, it is largely affecting people
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with pre existing conditions, or the elderly, or some people
very young, who are clearly predisposed to being you know,
hit very hard by this thing, um, which is which
was part of the paranoia of it all right, where
it's like you don't really know who's it going to affect,
who's it a hit? But you're right, then it's not
a very um successful um tool for like mass extermination
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at the very least, right, we've talked about that from
the start, right, Yeah, that's correct. And also so then
if if then the goal was not to murder a
large part of the world's population, what would the other
end be or like would what would the other motivations be?
Uh So, some people who believe there's a conspiracy of
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foot would say that Bill Gates was leading this charge
because he wanted to well there's the idea that there
was somehow a microchip involved, right, that he wanted to
chip people, or the idea that it was meant to
justify a more and more Big brother esque surveillance state
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across the world. Those are two of the big ideas
that I've seen. Um. The first one, the idea of
injecting a microchip, easily disproved. Even the five G stuff
also easily disproven. There's not not really a way physically
that a virus could work in that regard yet. But
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but it looks like in the sheet that the idea
of funding research into preparing for a pandemic has been
kind of conflated with funding the creation of COVID nineteen, Right,
isn't that one of the other things on the list
sure has been sure is And it just touch one
little blast thing on this first point. It references something
called Event two oh one UM, which is a pandemic
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simulation basically, it's it's It was hosted by the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation along with the World Economic Forum
and the Johns. Hopkins Center for Health Security uh IN
in New York on October eighteenth, two thousand, nineteen. UM.
So they I guess. The argument there is like, oh,
they predicted it, it happened. They already knew it was coming,
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and they were like testing this out. This is exactly
the kind of stuff they do all the time, you know,
Like I said, I mean it was years ago that
he made that talk that I was talking about that
very very specifically predicts this is the kind of thing
that could happen. And you know, when you start going
down these rabbit holes like this document um kind of outlines,
you start to think of Bill Gates is like almost
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like this Oza mandious character um from the Watchman comics series.
And then I don't want to spoil anything, so good
if you haven't read it. But also and also the
hbo uh kind of uh I guess sequels it's very
much its own thing. It's wonderful uh deals with this
as well. But it's the idea of like someone kind
of manufacturing some sort of plague or some sort of
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event that that culls a huge swath of the population
in order to save the world, Like you gotta gotta
break a few eggs to make an omelet and all
that stuff. So yeah, you start getting into like these megalomaniacal,
grandiose kind of visions of savior ship or whatever, savior
who by a you know, very very wealthy person. That's
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what I always think of, um, but I just don't
see it here. Uh And this event to A one, Yeah,
I guess the timing is. I don't think it's that weird. Again,
they do. They run these kind of simulations all the time.
But yeah, I talked about this on a previous episode
kind of at length because this is one of the
first things that came out when COVID was really hitting there.
Or people are saying, well, the guys were planning on
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this since twenty nineteen, but but they weren't. It's sort
of like planning on a reaction to a thing is
not planning on creation of the thing, right, fire fire drills,
Like when a building's property managers conduct fire drills, it
doesn't mean they're ready to burn the building down or
they're hoping it burns down. They're hoping to make sure
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everyone can get out safely. An event to A one
is kind of a modeling exercise based on fear. Is
of a growing number of epidemics. COVID did not occur
in a vacuum. Um. I I just I remember this
conversation in particular because I received a lot of correspondence
from people who, in a very respectful way, to be fair, uh,
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said that we were part of the cover up I did.
I don't know if you saw any of those, but
it's always so flattering, like we, like the three of us, Yes,
like we were part of the part of the smoke
and mirrors of the plandemic. When do we get our
check for that participation? I don't know. It's like every
you know people right and ask if we're company men,
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if we're c I A always wonder do you know
how much money we don't make? Right some p C
I A, yeah, it would be nice. Um. And the
list goes on the next one that the first one
was specifically funding and planning the COVID nineteen pandemic at
event two oh one. So it was this is onct
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Bill Gates funded a simulation of today's pandemic six weeks
in advance. Again, okay, um, we don't have to go
through all these. They get kind of more and more
alarmist and bizarre as the list goes on. But I
want to address the second one here UM funding the
development of the COVID nineteen virus. Bill Gates is a
major funder of the per Bright Institute UK that owns
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the patent to the virus. That is absurd UM. The
per Bright Institute UM is a virology research institute out
of the UK that does research with coronavirus is let's
not forget the coronavirus is sort of this like grandiose
name because it was just like it's like the big one.
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But coronaviruses are a thing. They're like a class of
viruses stars mersh. So anyway, UM, I just and my
my all this to say, Bill Gates does have a
problematic relationship with public health. Thought. There's a really interesting
article UM in the New Republic UH with a very
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also kind of hyperbolic title of how Bill Gates impeded
global access to COVID vaccines. The title is a little
less hyperbolic than the image of him at the top.
It's like an illustrated image where he's got horns and
like weird pustules like kind of dripping off his face
and the green and there's flames in the background. UM.
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Which it's it's it's well designed but good Lord. Uh,
it seems a little a little yellow. You know, journalism
was for the New Republic, but maybe I'm giving them
more credit. It's a great article though, and it does
go through, uh a lot of the kind of fraught
relationship that Bill Gates has had with public health, and
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a lot of it has to do with this idea
of intellectual property, of of open vaccine availability rather than
monopoly vaccine or monopoly medicine. He's actly that's the phrase
that the opponents of i P practices in pharmaceuticals would use.
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That's exactly right. And and you know, you gotta consider
the source. A lot of the people that are quoted
in this article are from organizations that specifically are about
something called like pool vaccines or like pooling the essentially
pooling resources, so the rising tide carries all vessels and
everyone gets the vaccine quickly, as opposed to just you know,
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we know the just Maderna um astro zeneca, which isn't
even available here, That's only available I think in Europe, right, um,
Fiser obviously was I think first to the table? Um? Yeah,
and and uh is there another one that I'm missing?
Ben Maderna Fiser and Astro Zeneca are the three that
the excuse me, Johnson and Johnson is the one shot
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and you're done one that there's kind of conflicting research
over whether that one's is effective. Um, but again, all
this stuff is very new. But the idea that um,
you know, like let's think of open source coding for example,
like open source technology is like someone's definitely someone's making
money off of the thing. Like I mean, you know,
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Minecraft for example, is obviously hugely uh um profitable you
know for the for the developers, but they also within
that environment, you know, you can like do mods and
and like they make the code available to a degree.
Maybe I'm overstating the case there, but certainly it was
always the case with games in the past like Doom
and Quake and stuff. They were very like early to
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the scene with being like, hey, here here's our code.
You can you can totally mod it and do whatever
you want, and it creates this very robust and interesting
community of like people adding their own spin on the thing.
You know, this is a very silly and frivolous you know,
um comparison to what would happen if vaccine i P
was made more publicly available it would It would mean
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that the generics quote unquote would happen much quickly. Uh,
and it would just ultimately lead to more access. Right.
That's the argument of these like pool vaccine proponents. Right. Yeah.
The idea is that the species is at a crisis
point and this has offenially officially become something where we
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can sort out who gets credit later. We need the
best and brightest minds working together as quickly as possible
with as little red tape as possible. And Bill Gates,
I believe the or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
created this thing called the COVID nineteen Act Accelerator, which
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which was meant to have that sort of crowd sourcing
best and brightest minds approach, while also insisting that intellectual
property rights will not be like, will be respected, will
not be violated, meaning that, for example, if you are
a lab in India and you and you can make
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you is a vast over simplification, but let's say you
and I are running the lab in India and we
get our hands on the the visor recipe, let's call
it that, and we know that we can manufacture this,
and then just from our little lab, we could vaccinate
hundreds and hundreds of people. But we haven't run this
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past visor. We just kind of stole their recipe. That's
a violation of their i P. Right. Yeah, but it's
also like, so, you know people India, people in India
need the the vaccine. And there's a report from the
World Health Organization UH from February five that says the following, UH,
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this is UH the kind of rundown without going into
the whole set of remarks from the So it's the
w h O Director General's opening remarks the media briefing
on COVID nineteen fifth February, and I'm just gonna read
through this. Globally, the number of vaccinations has now overtaken
the number of reported infections, but more than three quarters
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of those vaccinations are in just ten countries that account
for almost six of global GDP. Around a hundred and
thirty countries with two point five billion people are yet
to administer a single dose. That's a problem. Yeah, that's
a huge problem because we're also seeing you know, inequality
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coming out countries that don't have a ton of budget
to throw at the private pharmaceutical entities or even enough
enough have to get on the waiting list. Everybody agrees
there's a problem. It's just people are people are disagreeing
about how best to approach it. We do know, we
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do know that there is a fight over this in
the news right now. Like just a week ago, the
Intercept reported that most US residents agree a new poll
have found that most residents of the US want the
government to break drug company monopolies. They don't think patents
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should be holding up the rollout of treatments for COVID nineteen.
But then on the in the same week, stat news
dot com released released an article saying that there was
no evidence that having patents slows access to vaccines. So
people are fighting about I don't know. It seems like
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it could be just a bunch of folks fighting over
who gets money at the end of the day. Uh,
but it's like the worst time to have that argument.
Just sue later, presooming enough people survive now, and then
sue later, you know, sr pissing contest after people are
(39:00):
actually you know, vaxed. Well, at this point, I propose
we pause for a word from our sponsor, maybe Bill Gates,
who knows I can turn Okay, we're back talking about
Bill Gates war criminal not really and and and that's
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the whole thing is that Bill Bill Gates and his
foundation wield so much influence over this conversation. Um. And
they have come out and saying that this intellectual property
stuff and that respecting these i P rights is not
a barrier to vaccination globally. And and yeah, you know
they're supposed to be this like this, you know, voice
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of reason in global health. You know that their whole
deal with like preventing malaria and and pandemics and in
other countries and developing nations. But it would seem that
that image is counter to this particular Kuller line, because
this w h O report kind of says it all, um.
And the initiative that kind of um, the Bill and
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Melinda Gates Foundation seems to be pushing back against is
something called the COVID nineteen Technology Access Pool or c TAP,
which I love. And that is the idea, uh, this
initiative to create voluntary licensing of technologies and reading this
directly from the w h A report in a non
exclusive and transparent way by providing a platform for developers
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to share knowledge, intellectual property, and data that seems great
to me, and it seems conducive to like getting the
damn thing done right. Yeah, Yeah, that seems like it
seems like a very pragmatic approach. Uh, there's something else
that was troubling me. In that article that we're referencing
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from the New Republic, it doesn't seem like there's an
ethical basis to the arguments against ignoring the patent system
for you know, global treatment of COVID nineteen. The New
Republic notes the closest Gates has come to conceding that
vaccine monopolies inhibit production. Came during a January interview with
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South Africa's Mail and Guardian. When asked about the growing
intellectual property debate, he responded, quote, at this point, changing
the rules won't make any additional vaccines available. And the
reporter takes issue with this and says, you know, there's
an implication not to be too Dennis Reynolds about it,
but there's an implication when you use the phrase at
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this point. And the implication is that before now, there
was a moment when changing IP rules could have made
a difference, Like it's now we've basically kicked the cans
so far down the road that you know, it's not
going to do any good now. But that's not true either, right,
because the thing in this w h O reports of
remarks UM that makes so much sense because there are
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UM facilities that are stepping up and saying hey, we
we we have facilities that could be used to manufacture these,
to increase production capacity for vaccines, specifically in Africa, Asia
and Latin America, which are places that are desperately in
need of more vaccines. And I believe I heard a
report not terribly long ago UM specifically talking about how Africa,
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based on the current situation, may not get vaccines for
like years, which is terrible. You know, for decades and
decades countries on the African continent have imported of vaccines
like as an average, So it's not a it's not
a domestic business. And COVID, from what I've seen reported,
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has inspired some political leaders in the continent two try
to bring that manufacturing home to make it domestic. But
you're right, this was also ordered by Reuters just yesterday.
In fact, it seems that countries on the continent are
overwhelmed by the vaccination challenge to the level of infrastructure too,
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like Ghana received fifty thousand COVID nineteen vaccine doses from India,
but hadn't been able to train enough staff to distribute them,
you know what I mean. And I'm sorry. That's why
I shouldn't recall things off the top of my head.
I think there was a concern about you know, maybe
it was in like the most alarmist term as possible,
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that that Africa could be left out on the cold
for a very long time. But because of some of
these kind of vaccine sharing initiatives from the World Health Organization,
something called the KOVACS program um which is delivering doses
to Africa, and their goal is to supply six hundred
million doses to Africa. But even that's only enough to
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vaccine vaccine the population. Yeah, and I know we mentioned
in that wanted poster for Bill Gates. Uh, you know,
we mentioned that some of the accusations seem to range
away from COVID nineteen specifically. So they say, um, these
sterilizing millions and millions of people non consensually in India
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and Africa, and then they throw in genetically engineering food,
which always drives you crazy. That's that's like number seven.
The reason they're putting that in there is to prey
on other fears and to somehow associate them with various
flavors of Bill Gates COVID nineteen conspiracies. But Noel, I
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think we're making a pretty good case that I don't
know if you would call it a conspiracy, but there's
definitely something more, uh, something financial, political, maybe from some
proponents perspective ethical about about COVID nineteen uh and how
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it should be handled. So is so, No, we don't
think there's any proof that Bill Gates is like micro
chipping people uh or making them get five G in
their heads through a vaccine. But there's a pretty solid
case to be made that his position and his various
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NGOs influences that his position on I P might be
holding up like it might be costing lives. Yeah, that's
the argument, right, It is the argument. I think there's
there's some Santa that much more so than any of
these other things on this list, which ends by the
way and saying Bill Gates crimes disguised as charity are
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the single greatest threat to the world economy, world health,
world peace, and human rights. His agendas one world government,
one world currency, and a called micro chipped population of
vaccinated robots. They must end his reign of terror. Now
I of the end of this, because we must end
his reign of terror. This final sign off um, it's
(46:05):
we must end his reign of terror exclamation mark and
then double space now exclamation marks. So I love picturing
somebody reading all this ingested, like what if you had
never heard of Bill Gates and all you're learning about
the guys this wanted poster, And then you get to
the end and you're having these uh, you know, these
ocean moments as your eyes are dilating and you're freaking
(46:27):
down and it's all starting to come together. And then
you get to the end and you go, we must
end his reign of terror And you're like, okay, well
we'll get to it at some point, and then you
read that last line. Now okay, wait, no, now not
Thursday call to action. Right. Look, I know we're living
in weird times. There's no question about that. It's easy
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to go down rabbit holes and and uh, you know
we've talked about how conspiracy theories oftentimes are are coping mechanism.
You know, it's easier to blame some you know, governmental
boogeyman or some evil genius, mad scientists, you know, Ga
jillionaire for all these things instead of just accepting that
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sometimes the world is just entropy and and chaotic. You know, yeah,
I sounded like a broken record when I say it,
but there is ultimately a cognitive comfort food when you
talk about um thing things like this that could be
dismissed that you know, everybody knows. I have a lot
of problems with the term conspiracy theory because there are
(47:33):
real conspiracies, but this kind of stuff, um, you're right,
it's it's comforting to think that there's someone at the wheel,
even if that person as someone you think is evil,
still better than an uncarrying universe with a fairly certain
guaranteed expiration date for our solar system. And you know,
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you know, also the idea that people in charge of things,
very powerful people are also still people, which means at
times they don't make the right decision. And there are
incompetent people with a lot of power. That's even more
frightening than an evil person. And all of the things
that are listening on here, I mean there, you know,
(48:17):
there certainly is citizens surveillance technology going on, but it's
like you know, by the Cia or Apple, you know
what I mean, Like, this is all very real stuff.
Um Our food has been genetically engineered with GMOs. There's
no question about that. These are all real things. Uh.
There is genocide there. We've seen instances of of of
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women and young girls being unwillingly sterilized, you know, eugenics
and and stuff throughout history. The COVID nineteen pandemic has
has been terrifying. And it's easy to you know, I
mean even there's a lot of political rhetoric during the
Trump administration of trying to make that boogeyman specifically China,
you know, and like and as though they did it
on purpose or something or at the at least were
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grossly negligent and and and should pay. And it became
this charged rhetoric that has caused a lot of anti
Asian hate crime. Right. Yeah, the I appreciate the idea
that there these there are contextual factors at play here.
It's not occurring in the vacuum. There are precedents. There
are proven cases of skullduggery, unclean actions, great injustices on
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the part of various authorities, you know, up to ing
and including human experimentation. More so more so than the
average person might suspect. But in this case it feels
like the real conspiracy of conspiracy, there is is one
very powerful person saying, hold on, we need to keep
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the patent system going. We need to hold the line
or the boundaries of intellectual property, because that is more
important than allowing you know, some se aigment of the
global population to live. Yeah, that's that's the question. If
you want to know what the price of your life
is worth, that is that that's a very similar conversation
(50:11):
to what they're having now about I P. In my opinion,
I completely agree, and and it's so dismissive the position
of of of of the Gates foundation. It seems that
it has to be tied just specifically to like, well,
this is this is how where our money comes from.
If there's no I P, then I don't own windows anymore,
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you know what I mean. Like it's like it's like
a Pandora's box kind of situation, a badger and bag situation.
If you open up I P for this, then it's
all gonna be willy nilly, and you know, up will
be down and and and and it just it shatters
the whole foundation. Uh, that that this man built his
fortune on, which again, of course i P should be
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a thing we should you know, people who come up
with ideas should own them and then be able to
profit from them. But it's the same with like, you know,
when we talk about doctor bills and like what a
weird sliding scale all that is. And he said, oh,
these people work really hard to get into medical school
and you know it should be paid. Well, yeah, but
that doesn't mean that like an aspirin should cost you know,
(51:14):
five or whatever. There should be more transparency in that
kind of stuff because it's people's lives. Well, think about it. Yeah,
And I understand there's valid fear when it comes to
the idea of losing i P and the money in
the investment. But what would have happened if Jonas Salt
patented the polio vaccine? That is the question that I
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have for people who are strongly on the side of
i P, because one thing I know, regardless of everyone's
opinions in that conversation, one thing I know is that
we will probably not have polio. I'll probably be in
a debate with someone who also doesn't have polio, and
the reason that they do not have polio is because
Jonas Salt created the polio vaccine and did not patent it,
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so we could go around the world more quickly, and
ultimately I think that is a good thing. I respectfully
disagree with people who would put intellectual property over the
livelihood of another human being. And you know what, maybe
Bill Gates should take some ebo game. Maybe that's what
it needs to happen. He needs to have a good
(52:20):
vision quest open his third eye up a little bit.
Maybe that'll chill him out. No, I agree, and Ben,
this has been a really eliminating Both of these have been,
you know, very eliminating conversations to have with you, and
I very much enjoyed it. But you're right, there's darkness
and and and light and you know, uh, silver linings
and both of these like hopefully this Bill Gates stuff
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and and these conversations will move in the direction of
kind of chilling out on this. I p over uber
alas kind of mentality, but but you know, with people
like Bill Gates pushing that narrative in the opposite direction,
that's a lot harder. So Bill, if you're listening, come on, man,
try some ebo game. That's our show. Thank you so
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as you know, is something that we we spend a
lot of time curating. We go through our full line
one three three st d w y t K, We
go through our email conspiracy at I Heart radio dot com.
We speak to folks all the time across social media platforms,
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and then we try to we try to find the
pieces of communication that we think our fellow listeners will
enjoy or need to hear. Because Noels, sometimes we've gone
to some dark places with these Yeah, we have and
likely will continue to do so today. Uh Mine anyway
is is a little on the dark side, but yeah,
(01:33):
to try to inject a little levity into the proceedings.
How about you better your darker light today. Uh, this
is this is both. I would describe this one as
heavy and profound. As a matter of fact, let's start
there with an email from an anonymous listener that I'm
gonna call Anonymous Voltaire. And let's start with let's start
(01:57):
with the the inspiration for that nickname at the very
end of your email. This is a good tease, I think, Uh,
Anonymous Voltaire, you wrote due to the illegal nature of
this subject, I will remain nameless on your show because,
as in the words of Voltaire, it is dangerous to
be right on matters in which the established authorities are wrong.
(02:18):
Pretty good tease, right to put put the end at
the beginning there. We're playing with time a little bit here,
because Anonymous Voltaire's email is about something that many of
our fellow listeners have written to UH to ask us
questions about in the past, including Bridget B who suggested
(02:42):
our series on the Dark side of the Fashion industry.
Here's what Anonymous says. I've been listening for a long
time now, considered writing in many times but none of
but they were all from little details that didn't feel
like they were worth the email. However, says Anonymous, I
have been going back through some of the episodes I
missed over the last year and was inspired to share
(03:03):
a story with you all. I put this off for
a couple of weeks, but after last week's episode on
drug addiction and rehab, I feel my subject fits him
perfectly because my story is about ebo gain and we've
talked about ebo gain a little bit in the past.
Right now, is that a drug? Well, I don't know.
This is sorry that says like it makes me think
of the term ibada, which is like a financial term.
(03:25):
I don't think. I remember ebo gain helped me out. Oh,
I remember evadabada was that was? That was a fun
meeting the first time I learned about those and tried,
not the last. Very excitingest man, I'm talking to us, Yes,
so we've talked a little bit briefly about this substance,
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Anonymous says. I feel certain you can make a full
show about the subject if you haven't already, because of
its mysterious and dynamic history, from its sacramental spiritual use
in the witty tribe of West Africa, to Howard Lotsov
discovery and promotion of its anti addictive properties, and ebo
gain to the laws of US scheduling because it's illegal here,
(04:07):
to its band shortly after hunter s Thompson's famous fiasco,
and finally to the rehab psychedelic tourism occurring around the
world right now. But as you might say that as
a whole other bag of badgers. Nice. This is um
where he starts explaining what ebo gain is, and I'm
paraphrasing here. This is a lovely letter, so we're gonna
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read excerpts of it. Uh. Ebo gain says, Anonymous is
a chemical found in a plant called tabernath eboga. Ebo
gain is a class of chemicals called trip to means,
along with serotonin, d m T, psilocybin, and LSD, and
it can cause hallucinatory and psychedelic effects when ingested in
large enough quantities. People will do this, most famously for
(04:52):
addiction or trauma therapy, but none of them the uses
anonymous means are recreational because get this, it is not
a very pleasant experience. In many ways. It causes severe
a taxia lasting twenty four hours or more severe nausea
for much of that twenty four hours, and an inability
to see clearly for over twenty four hours, all the
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while stimulating the user's mind so that they are capital
letters wide awake for that whole time. Due to these
severe physical reactions, the users bound to a bed with
their eyes closed. During this period of closed eyed sleep,
deep thought, and deep thought, many people experience visual manifestations
in their mind's eye that, unlike any other psychedelic drug
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I have experience, are extremely realistic and unusual and could
be defined more as visions than visuals, if that makes sense.
It's a vision quest. So taking that all in the
idea of ingesting this stuff sounds a lot less fun
than say micro docing or they're doing some mushrooms right. Yeah,
it makes me think of like some of the negative
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descriptions of like salvia, for example, that I've always start
I never I think maybe I smoked fake Salvier or something,
but I remember someone saying it makes you feel like
you're like a like a trapezoid or something, which I
don't fully understand. Um, But yeah, no, that does not
that sounds like all the bad parts of psychedelic experimentation
and none of the good. It's like pure paranoia and
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out of body, you know, discomfort and none of the
like you know Catharsis. Yeah, that's the thing in Anonymous
goes on to tell us that despite the unpleasant aspects
of this UH, they were able to experience profound positive
psychological changes. And when we look at the history of
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this UH, it seems to be a common pattern that's reported.
So despite the pretty heavy, not fun effects, it appears
that numerous cultures have embraced this as a kind of
medicine for alcoholism, for rowin addiction, for different um psychological
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issues people are struggling with. And it's a very old
old drug. It was first reported by Europeans, who Belgian
and French colonists who found these communities in Africa using
eboga in spiritual ceremonies and you know it's coming at
them through this outsider's lens, right, But the first description
(07:27):
of this plant in European literature dates back to eighteen
eighty nine. And then the guy Anonymous mentions there is
one of the first people in the nineteen sixties, I believe,
who said, yeah, nineteen sixty two, who there was a
guy named Howard, lots of which Anonymous mentions who his
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story is interesting. Here's probably the best way to say it.
He's the first person to publicly note the anti addictive
properties of this substance. But they he got there is
pretty harrowing. He was nineteen years old and he and
five friends had had a real problem. They were all like,
they were heroin addicts, and they had tried different treatments
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and nothing worked, and they were gained desperate. But they
noticed that doing this drug, despite the fact that it
lays you out for twenty four hours and their unpleasant
physical effects, doing this drug significantly reduced their cravings and
their withdrawal symptoms from heroin. If it's like it works,
that's that's awesome. I mean, I'm really glad to hear that.
(08:34):
And and it certainly seems in line with some of
the conversations we've had recently and the larger conversation about
using psychedelics to treat addiction. Um, so many people are
micro dosing just for their own day to day kind
of mental wellness. And again we this is not medical advice.
We are not here to tell anyone what to do
or how to live. But it's certainly something that I
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have experienced people having positive effects with and their researches
there to back it up. Now, I believe it was
Johns Hopkins UM study that that indicated, like a double
blind study that indicated that folks who were taking psilocybin
were more likely to come out of depression or to
to have positive effects um on their depression. So yeah,
(09:18):
I think that the all the salt, this all tracks, uh,
And I'm I'm really looking forward to seeing this conversation
become much more mainstreamed and become part of regular psychotherapy.
You know, that's just me personally in my opinion, Um,
but I do, I do see it as a very
positive thing. Yeah, I agree. I think it's on the
way because of the some of the stigmas are being shed.
(09:40):
I think the conversation is definitely changing. But there was
a really interesting series of events. So when psychoactive or
hallucinogenic substances are illegal, it becomes a little more complicated
for people to conduct research with them. So, in very
real way, some of the hardline drug laws in different
(10:04):
countries have stymied what appears to be valuable, meaningful medical research.
And now that some of that research is coming out.
The facts are proving that there may be efficacy to
many of these substances. I'd like to give everyone a
taste of anonymous story here with their personal experience. This
(10:26):
is where my story starts. They say, many years ago,
I was asked to help a friend procured this medicine
for her. Since I have an obscure skill set, I
was able to make this happen. But she was hesitant
to take a risk on an unknown compound extracted from
an unknown plant sample sent from an unknown person in Cameroon.
So I appliged shirt and tried it first to confirm.
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The twenty four hours that followed were awful, as in
full of awe, objectively better than awesome. But I only
want to share a couple of highlights. And they talked
about how they had these active visual hallucinations and this
person was, they said. Anonymous says they saw an elderly
person in their eighties or nineties, and they recognized them,
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but I couldn't put my mental finger on who this
person was. They started getting younger, seamlessly, d aging all
the way to a fetus and beyond, and I realized
about halfway through this old person was me. I was
looking at myself as an old person. The feelings indescribable.
And then there's a wooden mask that floats into the
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vision and leads them through a field of photographs that
are lined up in a quote seemingly endless row of columns,
and every so often the mask would fly down and
return with a photo, and Anonymous says, I realized I
was looking at all my memories presented to me in
chronological order. Each time the mask showed me a photo,
it was of a moment in life that I did
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not like. Something I had done to someone, something someone
had done to me, or something I had done to
myself that was really destructive on my psyche. So while
showing me this memory, it would ask me, is this
you That I would think about it and reply, no,
that's not me. That's that's incredible because what that person
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is describing is a negative side effect in in a
way of psychedelics. Uh, where you if you're having a
quote unquote bad trip, right, it means a lot of
times your brain keeps cycling through negative things, uh, and
sort of like almost like making you feel shame in
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some way, or like just making you like see every
mistake you've ever made, or like you know, judge your
life in some horrible way. Um, but that can be positive,
that can be its own kind of catharsis if you
learn from it, um and and it's not just inflated
and like alarmist, you know what I mean. So if
you're actually taking a hard look at yourself and and
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like having these moments flashed before your eyes and assess
saying is this me? And and answering yourself, no, this
is not me, then that means you're differentiating between the
version of yourself that you want to be in the
version of yourself that you're being faced with. You know, yes,
well said agreed on all points. And there's a there's
an excellent article in The Guardian by Alex hannah Ford
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that if it will be of interest to you, anonymous,
if you haven't seen it, and to anybody else in
the audience today who want to learn more about this.
The article is titled Dying to Get Clean is Ebo
Gained the Answer to heroin Addiction? And it begins with
one of with the story of another person who found
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themselves being a functional addict without a good solution to
breaking the cycle of addiction, and so they also, in desperation,
flew out to have a ceremony with this substance. And
for a lot of people who are driven to this point,
there are multiple rehab trips didn't work. There were other attempts,
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maybe cold turkey, maybe incrementally lowering dosages, and it never
quite did it. But this medicine worked for this guy
as well, this substance. UH. He also did not have
fun because I don't think you're supposed to if you
look at the ceremony that this is traditionally used in
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the blitty ceremony kind of means ancestors ceremony. And in
those communities when you do this, it's a day. It's
a multi day. UH. Death and rebirth is how it's
seen culturally. So they believe that those hallucinations in those
visions are a form of you dying and a new
thing returning. Surprisingly, it's not illegal everywhere. It is illegal
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in the US, but there's a thing called the Global
Ebo Gain Therapy Alliance that works to I think, advocate
for the monitored use of this UH. And the experts,
just like with psilocybin, are increasingly UM. I would say
increasingly vociferous in their in their defense of this, but
it's still restricted in the UK and it's outright banned
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in the US, which makes sense to me. I mean,
it's one of only two drugs that are two plants
I think that are scheduled that at that level of
you know danger, right, what's the other one in marijuana? Still? Yeah, yeah,
I believe it's marijuana. So here's the thing. If you
want to sign up for an addiction program using this um,
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you'll find a lot of you'll find a lot of opportunities,
but you have to be careful because you're probably talking
to people just on the internet. Right. So one guy's
experience is that he looked at a bunch of different
plans but they seemed kind of scar or maybe I
don't want to say scams, but they seemed like they
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seemed expensive and and yes, sketchy is probably the best word. Uh.
Here's an example from the Guardian article. Uh, the guy,
the guy who we're trying to find out how to
use Ebo game to cure himself. He got in correspondence
one place that said the cost of a seven day
addiction program was normally eight thousand dollars. However, I'd be
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able to credit one thousand and that towards your airfare.
At least one email said I would need a five
dollar refundable deposit on a credit card and the remaining
six thousand, five hundred can be paid via wire transfer
or a cashier's check. Uh, and the nurse can do
a health screening over Skype. I feel like that much
money you need a real physical YEA, what well, like,
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have they made any more advances in that, like tele
medicine stuff where you can literally have like robot arms
that like prode you, you know, through some kind of
interface that. Uh, there's definitely tell us surgery. I'm bean,
I'm I'm joking, but there there there are technologies that
that they're working on. It would allow you know, like
a human to sit in some kind of pod while
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the surgeon remotely does a procedure. In the future, there
I'm sure there will be at the very least bio
feedback devices that you can hook up to it get
monitored on. But with this, it sounded like the nurse
would be conducting a Q and NG, just self reporting
your own health, which is sometimes not the best idea.
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But the guy does find someone who can trust uh
DCOR and r g WAP in South Africa. And his
story here is strange because these and he got these
instructions that said, you know, quit doing any drugs long
enough to encounter withdrawal symptoms when you get to this clinic.
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So this is already not a pleasant plane ride, right
for someone whose substance dependent he's flying from London to
South Africa. This was strange. I mean, there's one detail
has stood out. As soon as this guy Jay arrives,
he has given a dose of morphine, like I guess,
to combat those withdrawal symptoms. And then he talks about
how he's given these pills of ebo gain. Over the
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next twelve to eighteen hours that were a blur. He
did experience visions, without going too into detail, and those
he flew back home and in the ten months since
that trip he has not had a relapse of any sort.
So that seems to be positive. But there's one thing
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we should end on here, um ebo gain is not
In addition to not being pleasant, there are strong arguments
that's also not safe. A review of medical reports of
hard issues associated with ebo gain notices that there are
life threatening complications and sudden death cases. It estimated, according
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to this author, that one and four people die from
taking this substance because they have pre existing heart conditions
where they have seizures due to acute withdrawal where they
take opioids while also under the influence of ebo games.
So this is not something to mess around with if
you are UM, if you are a person who recreationally
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ingest various drugs just to see right, just to have
an experiment weird fun time, UM, do be very careful
about confusing ebo game with a recreational substance. It sounds
like it is very much not. But we enjoyed this
email Anonymous full Taire. I know that's just a nickname
I made up for you, but I hope you like it.
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Please send us your stories about visions on ebo gain.
I'm thinking you know, I'm gonna be honest. Noal, I
would try it. Yeah, I think I would too, but
we I think we both want it to be under
the guidance of a medical professional right to the very
least a shaman of some sort. And with that, stay safe, everybody,
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let us know about your experiences and will pause for
a word from our sponsor. Then we'll return and we're back.
You see what I'm saying. No, that one's kind of heavy.
It could help people, but it could kill them. Uh.
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The speaking of segues, that makes me think of something
really similar that's going on with our our old pal
Billy G. That you met in person, Billy G. Bill Gates.
Oh God, sorry, that's right. And the thing that I
most remember about that encounter was how little security he had.
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He had one kind of intense looking do that they
clearly had a whole another hotel room rented next door
to the room where it was for stuff you should know.
Josh and Chuck interviewed him because he's literally wanted to
be on stuff you should know, and they never have guests,
so that was like a very unique thing. But he
was promoting he's got all these initiatives as we know,
he was promoting this clean energy initie. But the thing
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that Bill Gates is most known for, I think, outside
of like you know, Microsoft and and all that, is
public health initiatives. He's he's really big on fighting malaria,
for example, um in in third world countries and um
just the whole idea he he did honestly predict what
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we're going through right now, you know, the the global pandemic. Uh.
Years ago, he said that the next big crisis isn't
gonna be you know, the terrorist crisis. It's not gonna
be like war. It's gonna be a biological crisis, and
we're not prepared for it. You know. He said this
in some kind of ted talk situation. Um, because of
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all of the moves that he makes in that world,
he he can, and because he's ultimately a private citizen
who has a lot of impact on policy, uh, and
these types of initiatives, he almost is like a one
man kind of sub government in a weird way, Like
he has so much influence and control and and he's
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able to, you know, really affect a lot of change,
which makes him a divisive figure to some, let us say,
and one of those people, he's very a very divisive figure. Uh.
Two is is our anonymous emailer who sent in a
wanted poster. It looks like a typical kind of mug
shot with like a rundown with the name and d
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O B in height and weight. Hair is gray. Apparently,
UM education in a real sting, stinging diss here says
college dropout um net worth a hundred billion US. And
then it's got a couple of his known addresses. I
guess he's got a residence in Medina, Washington and one
in del Mar, California. Um. And you know, and then
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it goes into you know, case information. And by the way,
it's got like a sheriff's badge on the top left
imblemence as we the people in the script you know
from the constitution, um, and his case information, Bill Gates
must be stopped. His medical reign of terror and crimes
against humanity are listed here. Uh. And then there's eight
quote unquote crimes here, um, all of which are there's
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some grain of truth to some of them. They're pretty hyperbolic.
All of them are pretty easy to google and and
and disprove. The way the claims are made, things like
funding and planning the COVID nineteen pandemic. H Right, Like, Okay,
that's I think we know that Bill Gates did not
fund and plan the COVID nineteen pandemic. Um. I think
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that's pretty clear that it was you know, a something
that happened at a wet market in in in China,
and uh, kind of ballooned out of control, and you know,
I know there's gonna be conspiracy theories surrounding this for
many years to come. I'm pretty sure Bill Gates didn't singlehandedly,
you know, manufacturer and distribute this virus to to what end?
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I would ask, Yeah, it doesn't. It depends really on
what specific conspiratorial direction someone goes here, Like, it is
true that he has funded research into how to handle
a pandemic, but to say that's the same thing as
planning to create one is a lot like saying, hey,
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you know those uh you know how meteorologists create hurricanes.
They don't. They try to predict them right and try
to help people stay away from the natural disaster that
is a hurricane and a pandemic is not the same
because it's a It was a statistical certitude and has
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been for a number of years. So planning to get
ahead of that is not the same thing as doing it.
But for people who think he was planning to um
spearhead a pandemic, then the obvious there are obviously problems
with that. We discussed earlier, and one of those problems
is if you are doing it to reduce the world's population,
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which was one of the old conspiracy theories. You would
need to find a much more efficient virus COVID. COVID
is good at spreading, but it's not it's it's not
killing a huge ton of I mean it's killing. It
is fatal, but it's not like people aren't dying, you know, right,
And and you know again, it is largely affecting people
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with pre existing conditions, or the elderly, or some people
very young, who are clearly predisposed to being you know,
hit very hard by this thing, um, which is which
was part of the paranoia of it all right, where
it's like you don't really know who's it going to affect,
who's it a hit? But you're right, then it's not
a very um successful um tool for like mass extermination
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at the very least, right, we've talked about that from
the start, right, Yeah, that's correct. And also so then
if if then the goal was not to murder a
large part of the world's population, what would the other
end be or like would what would the other motivations be?
Uh So, some people who believe there's a conspiracy of
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foot would say that Bill Gates was leading this charge
because he wanted to well there's the idea that there
was somehow a microchip involved, right, that he wanted to
chip people, or the idea that it was meant to
justify a more and more Big brother esque surveillance state
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across the world. Those are two of the big ideas
that I've seen. Um. The first one, the idea of
injecting a microchip, easily disproved. Even the five G stuff
also easily disproven. There's not not really a way physically
that a virus could work in that regard yet. But
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but it looks like in the sheet that the idea
of funding research into preparing for a pandemic has been
kind of conflated with funding the creation of COVID nineteen, Right,
isn't that one of the other things on the list
sure has been sure is And it just touch one
little blast thing on this first point. It references something
called Event two oh one UM, which is a pandemic
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simulation basically, it's it's It was hosted by the Bill
and Melinda Gates Foundation along with the World Economic Forum
and the Johns. Hopkins Center for Health Security uh IN
in New York on October eighteenth, two thousand, nineteen. UM.
So they I guess. The argument there is like, oh,
they predicted it, it happened. They already knew it was coming,
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and they were like testing this out. This is exactly
the kind of stuff they do all the time, you know,
Like I said, I mean it was years ago that
he made that talk that I was talking about that
very very specifically predicts this is the kind of thing
that could happen. And you know, when you start going
down these rabbit holes like this document um kind of outlines,
you start to think of Bill Gates is like almost
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like this Oza mandious character um from the Watchman comics series.
And then I don't want to spoil anything, so good
if you haven't read it. But also and also the
hbo uh kind of uh I guess sequels it's very
much its own thing. It's wonderful uh deals with this
as well. But it's the idea of like someone kind
of manufacturing some sort of plague or some sort of
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event that that culls a huge swath of the population
in order to save the world, Like you gotta gotta
break a few eggs to make an omelet and all
that stuff. So yeah, you start getting into like these megalomaniacal,
grandiose kind of visions of savior ship or whatever, savior
who by a you know, very very wealthy person. That's
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what I always think of, um, but I just don't
see it here. Uh And this event to A one, Yeah,
I guess the timing is. I don't think it's that weird. Again,
they do. They run these kind of simulations all the time.
But yeah, I talked about this on a previous episode
kind of at length because this is one of the
first things that came out when COVID was really hitting there.
Or people are saying, well, the guys were planning on
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this since twenty nineteen, but but they weren't. It's sort
of like planning on a reaction to a thing is
not planning on creation of the thing, right, fire fire drills,
Like when a building's property managers conduct fire drills, it
doesn't mean they're ready to burn the building down or
they're hoping it burns down. They're hoping to make sure
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everyone can get out safely. An event to A one
is kind of a modeling exercise based on fear. Is
of a growing number of epidemics. COVID did not occur
in a vacuum. Um. I I just I remember this
conversation in particular because I received a lot of correspondence
from people who, in a very respectful way, to be fair, uh,
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said that we were part of the cover up I did.
I don't know if you saw any of those, but
it's always so flattering, like we, like the three of us, Yes,
like we were part of the part of the smoke
and mirrors of the plandemic. When do we get our
check for that participation? I don't know. It's like every
you know people right and ask if we're company men,
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if we're c I A always wonder do you know
how much money we don't make? Right some p C
I A, yeah, it would be nice. Um. And the
list goes on the next one that the first one
was specifically funding and planning the COVID nineteen pandemic at
event two oh one. So it was this is onct
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Bill Gates funded a simulation of today's pandemic six weeks
in advance. Again, okay, um, we don't have to go
through all these. They get kind of more and more
alarmist and bizarre as the list goes on. But I
want to address the second one here UM funding the
development of the COVID nineteen virus. Bill Gates is a
major funder of the per Bright Institute UK that owns
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the patent to the virus. That is absurd UM. The
per Bright Institute UM is a virology research institute out
of the UK that does research with coronavirus is let's
not forget the coronavirus is sort of this like grandiose
name because it was just like it's like the big one.
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But coronaviruses are a thing. They're like a class of
viruses stars mersh. So anyway, UM, I just and my
my all this to say, Bill Gates does have a
problematic relationship with public health. Thought. There's a really interesting
article UM in the New Republic UH with a very
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also kind of hyperbolic title of how Bill Gates impeded
global access to COVID vaccines. The title is a little
less hyperbolic than the image of him at the top.
It's like an illustrated image where he's got horns and
like weird pustules like kind of dripping off his face
and the green and there's flames in the background. UM.
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Which it's it's it's well designed but good Lord. Uh,
it seems a little a little yellow. You know, journalism
was for the New Republic, but maybe I'm giving them
more credit. It's a great article though, and it does
go through, uh a lot of the kind of fraught
relationship that Bill Gates has had with public health, and
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a lot of it has to do with this idea
of intellectual property, of of open vaccine availability rather than
monopoly vaccine or monopoly medicine. He's actly that's the phrase
that the opponents of i P practices in pharmaceuticals would use.
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That's exactly right. And and you know, you gotta consider
the source. A lot of the people that are quoted
in this article are from organizations that specifically are about
something called like pool vaccines or like pooling the essentially
pooling resources, so the rising tide carries all vessels and
everyone gets the vaccine quickly, as opposed to just you know,
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we know the just Maderna um astro zeneca, which isn't
even available here, That's only available I think in Europe, right, um,
Fiser obviously was I think first to the table? Um? Yeah,
and and uh is there another one that I'm missing?
Ben Maderna Fiser and Astro Zeneca are the three that
the excuse me, Johnson and Johnson is the one shot
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and you're done one that there's kind of conflicting research
over whether that one's is effective. Um, but again, all
this stuff is very new. But the idea that um,
you know, like let's think of open source coding for example,
like open source technology is like someone's definitely someone's making
money off of the thing. Like I mean, you know,
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Minecraft for example, is obviously hugely uh um profitable you
know for the for the developers, but they also within
that environment, you know, you can like do mods and
and like they make the code available to a degree.
Maybe I'm overstating the case there, but certainly it was
always the case with games in the past like Doom
and Quake and stuff. They were very like early to
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the scene with being like, hey, here here's our code.
You can you can totally mod it and do whatever
you want, and it creates this very robust and interesting
community of like people adding their own spin on the thing.
You know, this is a very silly and frivolous you know,
um comparison to what would happen if vaccine i P
was made more publicly available it would It would mean
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that the generics quote unquote would happen much quickly. Uh,
and it would just ultimately lead to more access. Right.
That's the argument of these like pool vaccine proponents. Right. Yeah.
The idea is that the species is at a crisis
point and this has offenially officially become something where we
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can sort out who gets credit later. We need the
best and brightest minds working together as quickly as possible
with as little red tape as possible. And Bill Gates,
I believe the or the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation
created this thing called the COVID nineteen Act Accelerator, which
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which was meant to have that sort of crowd sourcing
best and brightest minds approach, while also insisting that intellectual
property rights will not be like, will be respected, will
not be violated, meaning that, for example, if you are
a lab in India and you and you can make
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you is a vast over simplification, but let's say you
and I are running the lab in India and we
get our hands on the the visor recipe, let's call
it that, and we know that we can manufacture this,
and then just from our little lab, we could vaccinate
hundreds and hundreds of people. But we haven't run this
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past visor. We just kind of stole their recipe. That's
a violation of their i P. Right. Yeah, but it's
also like, so, you know people India, people in India
need the the vaccine. And there's a report from the
World Health Organization UH from February five that says the following, UH,
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this is UH the kind of rundown without going into
the whole set of remarks from the So it's the
w h O Director General's opening remarks the media briefing
on COVID nineteen fifth February, and I'm just gonna read
through this. Globally, the number of vaccinations has now overtaken
the number of reported infections, but more than three quarters
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of those vaccinations are in just ten countries that account
for almost six of global GDP. Around a hundred and
thirty countries with two point five billion people are yet
to administer a single dose. That's a problem. Yeah, that's
a huge problem because we're also seeing you know, inequality
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coming out countries that don't have a ton of budget
to throw at the private pharmaceutical entities or even enough
enough have to get on the waiting list. Everybody agrees
there's a problem. It's just people are people are disagreeing
about how best to approach it. We do know, we
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do know that there is a fight over this in
the news right now. Like just a week ago, the
Intercept reported that most US residents agree a new poll
have found that most residents of the US want the
government to break drug company monopolies. They don't think patents
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should be holding up the rollout of treatments for COVID nineteen.
But then on the in the same week, stat news
dot com released released an article saying that there was
no evidence that having patents slows access to vaccines. So
people are fighting about I don't know. It seems like
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it could be just a bunch of folks fighting over
who gets money at the end of the day. Uh,
but it's like the worst time to have that argument.
Just sue later, presooming enough people survive now, and then
sue later, you know, sr pissing contest after people are
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actually you know, vaxed. Well, at this point, I propose
we pause for a word from our sponsor, maybe Bill Gates,
who knows I can turn Okay, we're back talking about
Bill Gates war criminal not really and and and that's
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the whole thing is that Bill Bill Gates and his
foundation wield so much influence over this conversation. Um. And
they have come out and saying that this intellectual property
stuff and that respecting these i P rights is not
a barrier to vaccination globally. And and yeah, you know
they're supposed to be this like this, you know, voice
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of reason in global health. You know that their whole
deal with like preventing malaria and and pandemics and in
other countries and developing nations. But it would seem that
that image is counter to this particular Kuller line, because
this w h O report kind of says it all, um.
And the initiative that kind of um, the Bill and
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Melinda Gates Foundation seems to be pushing back against is
something called the COVID nineteen Technology Access Pool or c TAP,
which I love. And that is the idea, uh, this
initiative to create voluntary licensing of technologies and reading this
directly from the w h A report in a non
exclusive and transparent way by providing a platform for developers
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to share knowledge, intellectual property, and data that seems great
to me, and it seems conducive to like getting the
damn thing done right. Yeah, Yeah, that seems like it
seems like a very pragmatic approach. Uh, there's something else
that was troubling me. In that article that we're referencing
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from the New Republic, it doesn't seem like there's an
ethical basis to the arguments against ignoring the patent system
for you know, global treatment of COVID nineteen. The New
Republic notes the closest Gates has come to conceding that
vaccine monopolies inhibit production. Came during a January interview with
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South Africa's Mail and Guardian. When asked about the growing
intellectual property debate, he responded, quote, at this point, changing
the rules won't make any additional vaccines available. And the
reporter takes issue with this and says, you know, there's
an implication not to be too Dennis Reynolds about it,
but there's an implication when you use the phrase at
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this point. And the implication is that before now, there
was a moment when changing IP rules could have made
a difference, Like it's now we've basically kicked the cans
so far down the road that you know, it's not
going to do any good now. But that's not true either, right,
because the thing in this w h O reports of
remarks UM that makes so much sense because there are
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UM facilities that are stepping up and saying hey, we
we we have facilities that could be used to manufacture these,
to increase production capacity for vaccines, specifically in Africa, Asia
and Latin America, which are places that are desperately in
need of more vaccines. And I believe I heard a
report not terribly long ago UM specifically talking about how Africa,
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based on the current situation, may not get vaccines for
like years, which is terrible. You know, for decades and
decades countries on the African continent have imported of vaccines
like as an average, So it's not a it's not
a domestic business. And COVID, from what I've seen reported,
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has inspired some political leaders in the continent two try
to bring that manufacturing home to make it domestic. But
you're right, this was also ordered by Reuters just yesterday.
In fact, it seems that countries on the continent are
overwhelmed by the vaccination challenge to the level of infrastructure too,
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like Ghana received fifty thousand COVID nineteen vaccine doses from India,
but hadn't been able to train enough staff to distribute them,
you know what I mean. And I'm sorry. That's why
I shouldn't recall things off the top of my head.
I think there was a concern about you know, maybe
it was in like the most alarmist term as possible,
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that that Africa could be left out on the cold
for a very long time. But because of some of
these kind of vaccine sharing initiatives from the World Health Organization,
something called the KOVACS program um which is delivering doses
to Africa, and their goal is to supply six hundred
million doses to Africa. But even that's only enough to
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vaccine vaccine the population. Yeah, and I know we mentioned
in that wanted poster for Bill Gates. Uh, you know,
we mentioned that some of the accusations seem to range
away from COVID nineteen specifically. So they say, um, these
sterilizing millions and millions of people non consensually in India
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and Africa, and then they throw in genetically engineering food,
which always drives you crazy. That's that's like number seven.
The reason they're putting that in there is to prey
on other fears and to somehow associate them with various
flavors of Bill Gates COVID nineteen conspiracies. But Noel, I
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think we're making a pretty good case that I don't
know if you would call it a conspiracy, but there's
definitely something more, uh, something financial, political, maybe from some
proponents perspective ethical about about COVID nineteen uh and how
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it should be handled. So is so, No, we don't
think there's any proof that Bill Gates is like micro
chipping people uh or making them get five G in
their heads through a vaccine. But there's a pretty solid
case to be made that his position and his various
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NGOs influences that his position on I P might be
holding up like it might be costing lives. Yeah, that's
the argument, right, It is the argument. I think there's
there's some Santa that much more so than any of
these other things on this list, which ends by the
way and saying Bill Gates crimes disguised as charity are
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the single greatest threat to the world economy, world health,
world peace, and human rights. His agendas one world government,
one world currency, and a called micro chipped population of
vaccinated robots. They must end his reign of terror. Now
I of the end of this, because we must end
his reign of terror. This final sign off um, it's
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we must end his reign of terror exclamation mark and
then double space now exclamation marks. So I love picturing
somebody reading all this ingested, like what if you had
never heard of Bill Gates and all you're learning about
the guys this wanted poster, And then you get to
the end and you're having these uh, you know, these
ocean moments as your eyes are dilating and you're freaking
(46:27):
down and it's all starting to come together. And then
you get to the end and you go, we must
end his reign of terror And you're like, okay, well
we'll get to it at some point, and then you
read that last line. Now okay, wait, no, now not
Thursday call to action. Right. Look, I know we're living
in weird times. There's no question about that. It's easy
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to go down rabbit holes and and uh, you know
we've talked about how conspiracy theories oftentimes are are coping mechanism.
You know, it's easier to blame some you know, governmental
boogeyman or some evil genius, mad scientists, you know, Ga
jillionaire for all these things instead of just accepting that
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sometimes the world is just entropy and and chaotic. You know, yeah,
I sounded like a broken record when I say it,
but there is ultimately a cognitive comfort food when you
talk about um thing things like this that could be
dismissed that you know, everybody knows. I have a lot
of problems with the term conspiracy theory because there are
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real conspiracies, but this kind of stuff, um, you're right,
it's it's comforting to think that there's someone at the wheel,
even if that person as someone you think is evil,
still better than an uncarrying universe with a fairly certain
guaranteed expiration date for our solar system. And you know,
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you know, also the idea that people in charge of things,
very powerful people are also still people, which means at
times they don't make the right decision. And there are
incompetent people with a lot of power. That's even more
frightening than an evil person. And all of the things
that are listening on here, I mean there, you know,
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there certainly is citizens surveillance technology going on, but it's
like you know, by the Cia or Apple, you know
what I mean, Like, this is all very real stuff.
Um Our food has been genetically engineered with GMOs. There's
no question about that. These are all real things. Uh.
There is genocide there. We've seen instances of of of
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women and young girls being unwillingly sterilized, you know, eugenics
and and stuff throughout history. The COVID nineteen pandemic has
has been terrifying. And it's easy to you know, I
mean even there's a lot of political rhetoric during the
Trump administration of trying to make that boogeyman specifically China,
you know, and like and as though they did it
on purpose or something or at the at least were
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grossly negligent and and and should pay. And it became
this charged rhetoric that has caused a lot of anti
Asian hate crime. Right. Yeah, the I appreciate the idea
that there these there are contextual factors at play here.
It's not occurring in the vacuum. There are precedents. There
are proven cases of skullduggery, unclean actions, great injustices on
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the part of various authorities, you know, up to ing
and including human experimentation. More so more so than the
average person might suspect. But in this case it feels
like the real conspiracy of conspiracy, there is is one
very powerful person saying, hold on, we need to keep
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the patent system going. We need to hold the line
or the boundaries of intellectual property, because that is more
important than allowing you know, some se aigment of the
global population to live. Yeah, that's that's the question. If
you want to know what the price of your life
is worth, that is that that's a very similar conversation
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to what they're having now about I P. In my opinion,
I completely agree, and and it's so dismissive the position
of of of of the Gates foundation. It seems that
it has to be tied just specifically to like, well,
this is this is how where our money comes from.
If there's no I P, then I don't own windows anymore,
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you know what I mean. Like it's like it's like
a Pandora's box kind of situation, a badger and bag situation.
If you open up I P for this, then it's
all gonna be willy nilly, and you know, up will
be down and and and and it just it shatters
the whole foundation. Uh, that that this man built his
fortune on, which again, of course i P should be
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a thing we should you know, people who come up
with ideas should own them and then be able to
profit from them. But it's the same with like, you know,
when we talk about doctor bills and like what a
weird sliding scale all that is. And he said, oh,
these people work really hard to get into medical school
and you know it should be paid. Well, yeah, but
that doesn't mean that like an aspirin should cost you know,
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five or whatever. There should be more transparency in that
kind of stuff because it's people's lives. Well, think about it. Yeah,
And I understand there's valid fear when it comes to
the idea of losing i P and the money in
the investment. But what would have happened if Jonas Salt
patented the polio vaccine? That is the question that I
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have for people who are strongly on the side of
i P, because one thing I know, regardless of everyone's
opinions in that conversation, one thing I know is that
we will probably not have polio. I'll probably be in
a debate with someone who also doesn't have polio, and
the reason that they do not have polio is because
Jonas Salt created the polio vaccine and did not patent it,
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so we could go around the world more quickly, and
ultimately I think that is a good thing. I respectfully
disagree with people who would put intellectual property over the
livelihood of another human being. And you know what, maybe
Bill Gates should take some ebo game. Maybe that's what
it needs to happen. He needs to have a good
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vision quest open his third eye up a little bit.
Maybe that'll chill him out. No, I agree, and Ben,
this has been a really eliminating Both of these have been,
you know, very eliminating conversations to have with you, and
I very much enjoyed it. But you're right, there's darkness
and and and light and you know, uh, silver linings
and both of these like hopefully this Bill Gates stuff
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and and these conversations will move in the direction of
kind of chilling out on this. I p over uber
alas kind of mentality, but but you know, with people
like Bill Gates pushing that narrative in the opposite direction,
that's a lot harder. So Bill, if you're listening, come on, man,
try some ebo game. That's our show. Thank you so
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P on vaccines on Bill Gates because of course that's
not the only thing that the guy has done. He's
also fun. Fact, back in the day he was he
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