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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Name is Nolan.
Speaker 4 (00:29):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Faga. If you are
tuned into listener mail the Evening to publishers, welcome to Thursday,
November twentieth. Side note, we're recording this on November nineteenth.
We have so much to get to today, guys. But
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first and foremost, as we know, we can't do this
without some vegas and they gotta be rudea Are we
going to dig them up?
Speaker 5 (01:00):
Are you go?
Speaker 4 (01:01):
It's Rudabaga time, Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (01:02):
If you will, welcome back to Ben Barkley and the
Dogs in the Morning. Now, where am i Pucci?
Speaker 3 (01:10):
Friends?
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Yeah?
Speaker 6 (01:12):
Before we play another hour of nothing but hits, we
have a special guest, Professor Jan Warmouth. You guys, hear
about this big asteroid coming our way, Well, this guy
says it's a rude biga crazy right.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
Professor Warmoth shall we be worried.
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Yes, we are in grieved danger.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
This root vegetable is hurtling towards us and could make impact.
It is the size of a football field.
Speaker 6 (01:31):
Speaking of football, who here loves the pensacle of potatoes?
Speaker 3 (01:35):
Do you think they have a chance this year?
Speaker 2 (01:37):
Jam? I do not know about football. This is very serious.
Speaker 3 (01:41):
Well that's a bummer. Anyway.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
Let's dig up some tuns and we'll be back with
more on this asteroid thing.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Here's moves like Jagger five times in a row.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Yes, Dylan, you do the best disaffected like bro voice
I've ever heard in my life, and I adore it.
Speaker 4 (02:00):
Love your voice work there, Dylan. I mean, obviously, these
are glimpses into realities just one step away from our own.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
And a glimpse into the genius mind of super producer
Dylan Dennessee Palfay.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
Can we please start some X hype about getting Dylan
on the radio some rude Beega radio actually come on.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
It's time doing big in the rude Bega verse, which,
weirdly enough, sounds like something I could say with a
straight face at a Ted talk. You know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (02:32):
Yes, so radio, Rude Bega radio rude to bega verse. Uh,
we're here for it, and we are so glad you're
here with us. We're gonna take a break for a
word from our sponsor, and then we're going to get
to some messages from you.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
And we have returned with today's first bit of listen
or correspondents coming to us from Saturn. Not the planet,
maybe not the car company, maybe sure well, okay, for sure, no,
I'm with you, but possibly from the reaches of the
black ink that is outer space. But for now we're
gonna call our listener Saturn, who's asked us to do so. Hello,
and howdy call me Saturn. I was just listening to
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your show about secret underground bunkers, a bang Ron episode.
If you ask me, that was me, Noel Brown. And
when y'all mentioned long term loud noise complaints, I got
a chill. I live in Minneapolis in a neighborhood called Longfellow.
We love Minneapolis. It is just off the Mississippi River
and I do love it, but we have a local
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noise called the Longfellow Boom, and it has me wondering
about the possibility of an underground city possibly being built
inside the bluffs. Of the Mississippi River and take a
pause here. This is in regard to I think a
little aside moment that we had where we were talking
about the series Better call Saul. We're in some German
(04:02):
engineers build this underground bunker meth lab situation, and in
order to do it, they have to set off these
depth charges that's the wrong term, that's for underwater these
you know, charges, explosions that controlled demolition to build these tunnels,
and in order to disguise this, they do it like
when a train is passing. Matt said something that led
(04:25):
to that little conversation, and we were like, it was
occurring to us that maybe some of these mysterious sounds
could be as a result of this kind of activity.
I think I summ that up relatively accurately. So going
on with the email, my thinking goes, the University of
Minnesota built an archive in the bluffs on the opposite
side of the river, so why not an underground town
(04:47):
lair or what have you. Here's where it gets weird.
I went onto the next door website, where I've seen
tons of posts about the loud booms that we hear
in the middle of the night. Here's the thing. I
cannot find a single post about it, not one I know.
I've seen them before. I might have even posted about
it myself. It sounds like an explosion and is a
(05:10):
rough thing to wake up to. So where did all
the posts go? I did find two comments and other
people's posts in next Door that mention the Longfellow boom.
So I'm attaching those screenshots. But now I'm really starting
to wonder is there something being built right underneath our feet?
Maybe not, but I thought it was interesting enough that
I decided to write in about it. Thanks for the
fabulous show. Take care Saturn.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, first of all, I need some help, guys, super
dumb question. How would you describe a bluff?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Isn't a bluff like a cliff side?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I just genuinely don't know because I'm imagining Minneapolis and
then like the big city and everything that what is
a bluff is.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
A genre of essentially? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Okay, yes, think of something leading up to a beach
head for example.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, they're formed through erosion.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Okay, so we're talking about Mississippi River cutting through and
then you've got.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Bluffs on where changing elevation, you know, cliff sides along
that coast of those.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay them, Well, I could see that as a viable
place to begin construction on some kind of point.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
You've already got an exposed, relatively soft place to start,
you know, drilling in to get to you know, to
the site of your potential underground city or bunker or.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
At least, like we always say, let geography do the work,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh, and then the boring company will do the rest company.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
So yeah, boring. I only just now got that connection
of y'all in my mind. I thought it was just
like you, I'm being self deprecating, which he probably still is.
But yeah, they may they do. They do literally drill holes.
There is a great Reddit thread in our slash r
b I about the long Fell Boom, and there's a
lot of comments from locals about, you know, this phenomenon
(07:06):
for folks living there in Minneapolis. Here's a little bit
of a TLDR from the op on that thread. For
several decades, people living near the Mississippi River in South
Minneapolis have reported hearing what's become known as the Longfellow Boom.
So describe it as a house shakingly, loud, booming, or
crashing noise that seems to only happen at night during
the summer months. Nobody has definitely been able to determine
(07:27):
what is causing the sound, and then they linked to
a quite good article in the Star Tribunes Curious Minnesota section,
what is causing the mysterious Longfellow Boom In South Minneapolis.
Neighbors near the Mississippi River have been searching for the
cause of these house shakingly loud noises. Here's the kicker,
y'all for decades a long construction project. Sounds to me.
(07:52):
Maybe it's more as a result of some sort of
kind of perfect storm connection between various natural features, which
does seem to be on the short list for potential
causes of this phenomenon. But I do like the thought
experiment of you know, some of these mysterious sounds being
related to secret construction projects.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
What do you guys think, Oh, yeah, that's super fun.
I wonder if there's something nearby that I just don't
know about, because I don't know the Minneapolis area very
well or Longfellow. I'm looking at a map and I'm
noticing that the Minneapolis Saint Paul International Airport is pretty
close south to where that I guess neighborhood is. And
(08:36):
I'm also noticing that there is a huge military base
that is.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Like attached to that airport.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, there is, which makes me think about planes that
could cause sonic booms coming in and.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Out of that is that's on the list. Buddy, you
nailed it. And we do have a tweet here from
council member Andrew Johnson. City Council there in Minneapolis St.
Paul area says we've been looking into that loud boom
last night. He's talking specifically about one particular occurrence of
the boom, predominantly in the Longfellow area around ten thirty pm.
(09:10):
I heard it too. What we know so far is
that no one really seems to know where it came from.
Fire crews were dispatched but unable to find anything and
did not detect any smoke or gas. Excel Energy says
no transformers were blown another on the shortlist, and no
reports of power out Our storm water and sewer staff
did not have any events reported either. We are also
(09:32):
not aware of anyone who witnessed the source of the noise.
Folks who have lived in the neighborhood for a while
and may remember that there were a series of mysterious
booms that occurred in the same area dating back over
a decade. Perhaps this is a continuation. Curious to hear
the thoughts of residents who have experienced these over the years.
My office will continue to check in with our various
partner agencies to see what we can turn up. This
(09:52):
is actually a Facebook post, so we've got some nice
boomer responses here twenty one years. This person responds, having
experience this phenomenon for that long, I heard it in Standish,
kind of scary that no one knows where it came from.
This person of reports having heard it six to seven
years ago. Was in April evening, there was a boom
in the Standish neighborhood thirty ninth Street and twenty ninth ab.
(10:14):
It brought everyone on my block out of their homes.
It not only shook windows, that shook our houses. We
thought a plane or helicopter crashed, maybe a house blew up.
Police and fire were called. Nothing was This sounds like
a terrifyingly disruptive sound. Nothing was ever discovered. It's a mystery.
My neighborhood still talks about this. Sounds very familiar. Yeah,
(10:35):
let's see one last one. There used to be regular
booms ten plus years ago that shook the house, and
it happened often enough that I stopped worrying about the
noise every time it happened, but I always at least
went to the window. Last night's boom sounded more like
some giant metal thing slamming into the ground. There was
something metallic about it. Democracy Now had a boom discussion
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a couple of years back, too, So this is you know, guys,
can you think of some other analogs to this, Maybe
that we might have mentioned? The hum was one, right,
the windsor hum?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think yeah. And Saturn, first off, thank you so
much for reaching out. We're gonna send you some links
in our email correspondence here because, as it turns out
to that earlier question, there are a lot of unidentified booms.
One that happened recently, our returning guest, is occurring across
(11:29):
the high desert out there in San Bernardino. The US
Geological Survey has confirmed there's no significant seismic activity. But guys,
let me give you a review of what we're gonna
go send over to Saturn here, putting the link in
the chat. There are loud booms going across so many
(11:51):
different parts of the United States, especially in recent years,
and I think, I think we're onto something with the
idea of military activity or secret excavations. It's actually kind
of tough to find the records of this, especially when Saturn,
like Noel was saying, especially when people can't concretely, definitively
(12:16):
identify the source of these strange rumblings and sounds.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah. An expert who spoke to The Tribune, the Star
Tribune about this, Fiona Quick, who's a writer who's lived
in the Longfell area for most of her life and
has been documenting the phenomenon since she moved back, compiled
a list of you know, her potential theories and some
of her research through a blog and her most of
(12:41):
her theories do involve human activity. One of my favorites
is dynamite fishing, nighttime dynamite first aw Yeah, people throwing
firecrackers in the water, or people just generally quote being
stupid by the river. But her lead theory is interesting
and it does sort of, I think, and up the
possibilities of what it might be. Is just the proximity
(13:04):
of living along that river can really play some funny
tricks on you. As far as sound is concerned, she says,
because you're down by the river, the sound echoes inordinately.
Where I live is in a built in kind of
swampy area. The sound moves and the ground is kind
of a built in spring, so everything is river based,
water based, and the sound travels differently.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Saturn, what we're saying is the river will call your bluff.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Runs through it. That was fantastic, ben.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Guys, Guys, I found a longfellow boom. At least according
to Donnie Musgrove, who uploaded this on July twenty third,
twenty twenty two, to YouTube. This is captured from a
ys Wyze security camera. It says it occurred at two
twenty one oh seven. I don't know if that. It
looks like it's dark, so maybe that's in the morning
(13:55):
at two twenty one. Should we hear it?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, there it goes.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Shit sounds like a sound effect, man, like from a
video game or something that is startling.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Let's replay it one more time for anybody who didn't
catch it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, here we go, let's listen to it one more time.
Let's get the characteristics and action.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Ooh, I'm hearing gurgling there at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, but that is that just reverberation, you know, because
of the area, like we talked about with the river
and everything.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, Matt, I don't know if we've mentioned this. I
don't think we have on this show, but Ben and
I have have a relationship lovely human on Ridiculous History
with someone who is the pre eminent expert on underwater explosions,
doctor Rachel Lance. I wonder if we might get a
little insight from her.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That would be awesome. I would love to hear what
she has to say.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Maybe we'll do a follow up. A few other common
ideas that I've seen thrown around on the Reddit throughout
or one that was actually mentioned in the article electrical
transformers exploding. One that really figures into what we're talking
about here with some of that those gurgly water sounds,
a fault line under the river, just some sort of
natural geological feature. Really seems like it could be the culprit.
(15:18):
And even I know you like this one, Matt, secret
planes breaking the sound barrier. The script that the sound
has often been described as we just heard as like
a bomb going off and yeah, no, so so far
when any local authorities have been alerted and come to
the scene haven't found anything. Maybe we'll see if we
can get doctor Lance awagh in on that. Super interesting.
(15:39):
So thanks for the email, Saturn, and we're gonna take
a quick break here from our sponsor.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And then we're back.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And we've returned and we are jumping to the voicemail lines. Guys,
we've got a bunch of messages here. Have one from
good old Russ about the mule Cat. I think let's
listen to it really quickly. It's just a great observation
and it plays off of things we've already talked about,
and it does kind of remind me what we talked
about last week on listener mail with the mule ads
(16:13):
the Icelandic volcano nerd. But there's it's just cool insight.
So let's just let's jump really quickly to good old Russ.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Hey, Jen, it's good old Russ here. You can use
my name or whatever, So I'll just listen to your
listener mail about the mule cat and the clothing exchange.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
And what I was.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Thinking was, what if this whole threatening the kids was
just a way for the parents, like an excuse like hey,
I have to give you clothes or the mule cat's
gonna get you. Kind I could cop out, not like,
oh my god, if I don't give you closed, you're
gonna kill you. No, it's hey, I have to give
(16:52):
you clothes over toys or the mule cat's gonna get you.
Don't blame me that you guys quoted Christmas. You know
I'm looking out for you anyway. Keep it the great word, guys,
just a thought. I'll check you, guys. Letter Dylan, you're
the best man.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh, it's the system, it says folklore. I love it.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Heard agree read Dylan being the best. Yeah, I mean
it's certainly one way you could spin it to your kids,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, thank you, good old Russ.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But honestly, good ol Russ. We do appreciate your insight
there and your idea. We put that in there because
of the shout out to Dylan. Dylan needs more love,
more shout outs to Dylan and the voicemails. We call
for it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
We call for it in the email and on social
media as well. You know what I mean? For sure? Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh and we also call for it leaving nice reviews
on iTunes or your podcast platform of choice, and we
get some particularly interesting nice ones. Maybe we'll add those
to the listener mail rotation.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
M m well said, Yeah, every time we get a
nice review and angel claps their hands and our boss
texts us with cryptic encouragement.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's right, it just says great job, boys. But then
you have no idea what the tone is. They end
it with a period.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It seems yeah, because they're writing actual sentences. Yeah, but
also like without a period is more cryptic? I disagree.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What about a question mark?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Also exclamation mark? You gotta be careful with those. Good
over it? Yeah, good old Russ. We don't want to
We don't want to derail too far. But your logic
feels solid here because now you can be the parent
who is maybe not doing all the fun stuff, but
the necessary stuff, and you can say, hey, kiddo, it's
(18:47):
not me. You know, this is just the world in
which we live.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, I think I think in this house we're
going to start introducing the yule cat as a concept
just for all kinds of various things. You hope that
yulecat doesn't get you?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Then I got your back, man, I gotta I got
a yule Cat costume. Let's just make this happen. I'll
just I'll just sort of paper at the end of
the street in the horizon for a second, so you
can prove it to your kids, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I mean, like pull of heist in your cat suit.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh my god, if you could find a way just
get in the backyard. Uh, just and kind of lurk
back there just a little bit to where I can
just open a window and be like, oh, what's that.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Okay, we'll uh, we'll work on that one. I think
I think there's something here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That would be amazing. All right, we're jumping to a
voicemail where the audio comes from inside a vehicle. I
tried my absolute best to use isotope on this one, guys,
to just clean it up so we could hear. Because
I think it's a it's a good thing to know.
It is difficult to understand at times. So let's jump
to this anonymous voicemail call and just remind everybody, please
(19:54):
please please find a good sound environment when you call
into the voicemail system. It just helps everybody out, especially
your fellow conspiracy realist, to understand what you're saying, including us,
All right.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Here we go, Hey, guys, I was just listening to
your last thing about the emails. You guys talked about
the dog that didn't bark, and I wanted you to
know that that was a Sherlock Holmes reference. So unfortunately
I've seen like Charlock hoes. So there is a story
called the Adventures silver Blaze, and silver Blaze was a
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racecourse that disappeared the night before a big race and
the trainer was murdered and Sherlock hone noticed that the
dog in the stables didn't bark, So that means the
murderer must have been in front with the dogs. So
basically he was using a meta course thing that the
absence of a clue, they tell you something.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's it, dude, that's so cool. I've been working my
way through the complete volumes of Sherlock Holmes and I
haven't gotten on audiobook. I haven't gotten to the Dog
that didn't Bark yet, but I do love a homesy
and you know reference, although it was from not a
great guy, but yeah, interesting hadn't heard that. What was
it called silver Blaze?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Silver Blaze eighteen ninety two and It's it's interesting here, Anonymous,
because a lot of people have been really kind of
diving into the nature of the emails.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I think Matt you mentioned or we had a great
conversation about the possibility of speaking in coded language, and
I think you, Noel Tennessee and I all kind of
landed on the same page that there was definitely some
tricky wordplay in those emails. People are being careful about
what they type. I haven't found prow and it's gonna
(21:49):
be hard to find proof, but I haven't found proof
that Jeffrey Epstein was specifically going and ow reference Surelock
home silver Blaze from eighteen ninety two Glaine and that's
all will totally get this. But it does sound persuasive, right,
It's juicy. It's uh tantalizing to imagine that this is
(22:10):
a Sherlock Holmes reference.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I think it is, though, I mean, like it's definitely
a holmesy en trope, like it comes if you type
in that phrase in all you get are are quotes
from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and like the Wikipedia for
that story comes right up. I think he was absolutely
making an intentional reference, whether he was, you know, doing
it on purpose or not, might have been in the
back of his mind.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's interesting, dude, But just thinking about that code of lange.
I went back through yesterday and I was looking at
piece of gate emails and just going through and trying
to understand, like, what what was the phrasing in here
specifically that you know made me so suspicious way back
in the day, and then you know, built that entire thing,
and then you know, we went through and analyzed it
(22:52):
pretty hard over the years, but still like, what was
the phrasing, right, the code of language kind of thing,
and there's some weird stuff, but it's mostly just out
of context talking about food, which is which is odd
in itself, right, But none of it was like, none
of it was a smoking gun for activity happening, right,
(23:13):
And not a single thing in in those WikiLeaks emails,
but in these it's pretty in your face. And then
I saw, guys, yesterday November eighteenth, there was a story
posted in Reuter's about charges against some ex investment banker
and a bunch of other people doing a global you know,
insider trading scheme. And at the very bottom of that
(23:35):
Reuter's article they talk about the codes that they were
speaking in and I'm just going to read this one
little sentence here. They spoke in code as well, referencing
money as greens, insider trading as running yet to be
announced deals as races, and another like a race, and
then another company's prospective merger, the two partners as girls
(23:59):
and or mod So they were having email exchanges talking
about what they were doing. Just it's not stuff that
would ping on a metadata search or something.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So it would be something like, hey, everybody, the girls
and models are running green. There's a race.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, but it was Yeah, but I'm assuming I don't
know exactly how it would be worth, right, But like
somehow in there they can talk openly just with those phrases, and.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They probably they probably have a different window of usage, right,
not to get too into the weeds, but they wouldn't
have an entire sentence with all the keywords in it.
It would be like, oh, hey, how you doing. The
weather's great today, I went running outside, and then like
two other innocuous sentences, something about girls and or models,
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something about greens. You know what I mean. There's an
art to it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, it is weird thinking that you might have a
conversation just if thinking to your well, you might have
a conversation one time about the compromat you've been accruing
over the course of decades, And like, if you're doing
that already, are you nervous about somebody finding your email?
You know, because you've got all this compromat on everybody
(25:17):
that might find your email and want to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know, I've been thinking about that, you guys, because
now we get to the argument or the consideration of
the following theory, which will probably interest you. Aid on
would it be possible to just especially with automation and
AI trash programs, would it be possible to just inundate
(25:43):
your suspicious email address with a bunch of wackadoo funny?
Why would I read this stuff? You know what I mean? So,
for like every one email you have that has some
sort of relevant or pertinent information, you have a thousand
others that shoot out that are just calling back to
our earlier episode. They're just your opinions about Star Wars,
(26:05):
you know what I mean. You think we could get
away with that?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think you could if you made if you made
that thing, like that fictional thing that you're creating and
cooking up workshopping with somebody over email, make that fictional
thing the same thing or very similar to the thing
you're actually doing. So then now it's impossible to tell
why are they talking about something real or are they
(26:31):
talking about this fictitional world that they're building.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, a little bit of role playing blur the lines
between reality and fiction. So if we were to give
notes to Jeffrey Epstein, we have a few. If we
were not on a list, though, Folks, if we were
to give some notes, if you want to use things
like a dog that hasn't barked, then if you want
(26:56):
to get away with that and convey that information in
a secure way, have a bunch of other information, other
emails about dogs and barking versus howling, and you know
you can do BA and the Dog Show, whatever the
dog show is. You know, be a person who talks
about dogs, and then you can slide some slick in there.
(27:20):
Thank you for the beep, Dylan.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Dude, some weird stuff is going on with the Epstein thing.
It got approve.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Okay with that guy. Was he trying to make a
statement that he not get the memo of what.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Going Yeah, it's a symbolic thing Congress does this all
the time for any political stripe. If you already know
the way the wind blows, shout out to Bob Dylan. Uh,
you don't have to be the weather man, right, You
can make a symbolic stance that does not affect what's
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, and you could say he's only like, Hey, I'm
just worried this is going to affect some people in
ways that we don't understand yet, unintentional consequences. A little
worried about that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's a new conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Also, thank you for the campaign donations.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, well, we'll see what happens there. We're gonna have to
just keep our ears to the ground because it's going
to get weirder and weirder. Speaking of weirder and weirder, guys,
do you remember Inconspicuous's near death experience from last week?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, quite excited about this.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, apparently he didn't finish, so we we didn't even
we don't even know his full near death experience. So
he called back in with a little more information and
it's kind of beautiful. So let's jump to inconspicuous.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
Hello, jents, this is Inconspicuous again. You put me on
air last week, which, of course you can do the
same with this one if you'd like. I'm following up
because I only got half of my near death experience
out to you before the three minute mark. So here
goes the rest. Okay past sell light energy medieval scene.
(28:58):
There were beings around and all of them were made
of light energy. Just the happiest place you get ever
possibly beat. And I had a guide. The guide was
much taller than me, no distinguishable features other than a
humanoid form made of light energy. Guided me into said castle,
where every brick was radiating at a different light spectrum.
(29:22):
Everyone was unique, and I felt like this was purposely
meant for me. So we walked down the corridor and
I stopped, and you know, nothing was verbal, but I
got the indication that I was supposed to look into
one of these bricks. I remember thinking and feeling that,
oh my gosh, I'm going to find out all the
answers to the universe and everything right forty two So
(29:47):
I poke my head into one of these bricks of light,
and I was instantly looking through the eyes of a
very young toddler, and it felt like it was an
central park. I was a little child, a little girl
to be more specific, and I have a daughter and
had a daughter at this time. So I was like, well,
(30:10):
I know that this isn't one of my memories. I
know that this is not my daughter's memory because I
look completely different than her, and I would have remembered
we've ever been to New York or to any clean,
extravagant park like that. I immediately realized that I was being
given a choice to accept a new life or go
(30:30):
back to the old one that I wasn't finished with.
So I immediately got angry, and I was shot back
into my body and I woke up smiling, have a
good night.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Well it's incredible, you know what makes me think of
I don't mean to joke, but like that episode of
The Simpsons where mister Burns is wandering through the forest
like glowing and things like I bring you long peace,
Just in terms of the entity of it all and
the glowing, you know, native energy, that's where my mind.
It's a great episode.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, I'm sure it is Simpson's Rocks, but it is
reminiscent of other NDEs we've heard about in the past. Right,
this concept of whether you know in this case, it's
luminous bricks. Other cases, it's almost like windows that you're
looking through and it's just other people's perceptions or other
people's lives, and you're kind of walking through a gallery
(31:22):
of some sort. It's very, very cool, And I just
love the way you presented it in conspicuous because it
it sounds like something I would want to do. Hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, if you in conspicuous, you've probably heard this before.
But what you are describing tells us, or at least me,
that you are not alone in this experience, because so
many people have reported similar phenomenon, right, Like you were saying, Matt,
(31:59):
there's this there's this commonality at least in self reporting
that still sort of baffles science. Neurologists are still trying
to figure out exactly what's going on. Your description of
the as Noel said, luminescent, sort of friendly mister Burns
(32:19):
character reminds me of our episode on Third Man Syndrome.
Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Of course, like the Jesus footprints.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah thing, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, footprints in the sand.
There's this fascinating thing where a lot of people who
have indes or near death experiences describe not only a
huge shift in perspective, but they describe meeting other entities
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that are usually going to be benevolent and wise and helpful.
And if you want to learn more about this, check
out the story of Ernest Shackleton, I want to say,
the Arctic Explorer. He's the one who popularized the concept
of third man syndrome. I don't know. I keep going
(33:12):
back to those episodes and Conspicuous because in those we find,
I mean, without getting into all the hair splitting stuff
about scientific method, we find a lot of people who
have provably had a near death experience reporting a lot
of the same things. Although I got to say I'm
(33:36):
with the team here on this one man. That description
of uniquely light attuned different bricks in a castle, Come on,
that's amazing. That's just phenomenal storytelling too. Well.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, And the concept that you each one of those
is if you hook yourself up to it in such
a way that can become your perception. Ah, the bricks
of perception.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I see, it's a segue.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Huh. Well, we talked about the doors of perception recently,
and I think I made some not good joke about it.
The book being about addiction, or something because it was
drug related. But then just we're not going to share it,
Cactus RX. But Cactus RX send in a voicemail just saying, Hey,
that's not what Doors of Perception is about. It's about
(34:25):
mesculine and peyote and you know some pretty hefty things.
It's not addiction. And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
However, Aldus Huxley did write Brave New World, right, Hey,
the pepsi to the Coca Cola of Warwell's nineteen eighty
four God that works. Okay, that works well, keep it does.
But the issue with addiction in Brave New World is
quite apparent because the society forces people to ingest certain things.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, payota.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I can I ask yes something really quickly. Is it
still considered addiction if it's a prescribed medication, like something
that you rely on for mental health, For example, like
I ran out of a medication, uh a, you know
what's the word. I'm looking for anti anxiety antidepressant kind
of medication for the first time since I've been taking it,
(35:24):
and I really felt it, like I felt withdrawal. I
felt real, not good, and it made me really realize
how much my brain depends on these substances, even though
I think addiction is a term thrown around more, you know,
around illegal drugs or around drug abuse, but we are
all still addicted to the medications we are prescribed.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Right. There's a you know, I really appreciate that point.
And there's a dependency conversation, right, and addiction.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Is dependency versus addiction, right, And so.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Like, if you have a physiological medical condition, like a
lot of us in the audience tonight, then should we
say you are addicted to a heart medication when we
know that a month without that medication will result in
your death. I think that's a really interesting conversation we
can explore further.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Uh huh, all right, Well, that's it for now on
the voicemail systems. We will be back with more messages
from you.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
And we have returned a fellow conspiracy realist. As you
probably know, hopefully know, we had an episode for the
Halloween season about the concept of selling one's soul, and
I think we were all mutually fascinated by the nuances involved.
We heard from an awesome guy we're going to call
(36:53):
pastor Jeff. We heard from a lot of other people
about the idea of selling their souls. And then we
also had a lot of correspondence about the First Amendment.
We don't have time to get to all of these,
So if we're okay with it, I propose that we
talk about the follow up responses to our conversation about China.
(37:14):
And you know what makes an influencer legitimate? Yeah? Okay?
For brief recap of this, folks, we had the news
in a recent Strange News program about the government of
Chia's plan to require certain influencers to have bona fides
(37:37):
to prove that if you are talking about finance law
or medicine specifically, says Uncle G and the Boys, then
you have to also provide certification, a diploma, a degree,
something like that, so that the people encountering that social
media aren't just talking to a rando who woke up
(38:00):
one day and said Swiss cheese is the key to
curing diabetes or something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
It's tail and all, you guys, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Til and all yes, And check out our ridiculous history
episode that published recently on the Chicago Thailand All Murders
shout out to our research associated on that one. Dylan, Sorry, Dylan,
different Dylan You're always going to be our Tennessee, So
here we go. Buford gives us a very thoughtful response
(38:28):
to our conversation about a dilemma that I think we
as a group are still dithering over and perhaps mithering
other people about. So Beewford, you say hello again, Ben, Matt,
and Nole. I am listening to the latest Strange News program,
and your discussion on how China is attempting to control
(38:51):
the spread of misinformation or disinformation on social media touches
on something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately.
Should the First Amendment offer the same protections online as
an American? Says Buford. My knee jerk response is, of course,
But after further reflection, I questioned that reaction, and this
(39:14):
goes back to what we're talking about. With what we've
been saying for years, technology always outpaces legislation. Should the
First Amendment apply to digital public forums? Knowing that the
Internet has no real borders? You know what I mean?
Like is going onto TikTok and us saying wait, we
(39:36):
use Swiss cheese and diabetes with something else, just making
a crazy claim, like saying, hey, choose or just gloves
for your feet? Wait? No, that's actually true.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Okay, I think I understand. I mean, but isn't this
sort of the very nature of free speech, like such
a big part of the way we exercise free speech
these days is online. So isn't that just inevitably going
to and get swept up into, you know, crackdowns on
free speech potentially? Is there any way that it is
somehow exempt from that. I don't know that it is
(40:11):
even harder. Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yeah, No, it's great, man, because that's the badger in
the bag, right. Beufrey continues and says, the concept of freedom,
at least to me, carries with it a sense of
personal responsibility and accountability. One should not be completely free
to act if they are not held to account for
their actions. And conversely, people who are not acting of
(40:34):
their own free will are usually granted some leniency. Right, So,
if you're making somebody, you know, shout anti Falloung Gong
messages on a street corner, or if you're, like, if
you're making a kid, a six year old or something,
trot out on Pennsylvania Avenue and say some wild stuff
(40:57):
they don't understand about the Federal Reserve? Is that freedom
of speech for the kid is that does the kid
have agency? I don't know. This is such deep water.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Doesn't it feel like free speech is one of the
coolest things that exists, one of the most important things
that exist. But doesn't it also feel like it is
kind of a thing that's getting us in a lot
of hot spots, like a lot of trouble lately, just
when it comes to what the nature of truth and
belief and all of these things, the things that make
(41:29):
us human.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, and it's it really becomes a who watches the
Watchmen scenario? Right or the The dilemma here is, Okay,
if any given community, nation, tribe, civilization, whatever, if they
decide that for the greater good, freedom of speech has
to be mitigated or disallowed, then who gets to tell
(41:55):
you when to shut up? You know what I mean?
Who's in charge of the of the conversation there? I
think it's super sticky. I don't know if there's an
actual right answer on this one. I don't know about you, guys,
but I've been thinking about this for a while. It's
really bugging me.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
The answer is, quit social media.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Answers, Quit social media, stop sipping them social meds for
you continue, you say, we also know that humans act
differently when they feel shielded from accountability. Mob mentality will
lead people to do things as part of a group
that they would never do individually. Screen Names and avatars
(42:36):
give people a sense of anonymity that allows them to
speak and act in ways that they otherwise Wouldn't I
think we could all agree with that, right sure, Like
if it's if if if you meet somebody in the
street and you talk to them in physical proximity, they're
(42:57):
gonna behave differently than they would if they were YouTube
butt Rock six' nine x six' nine x. On YouTube.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Have we talked about, that before the concept of having
the real names on, the internet so every account would
be your.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Actual tied to some sort of like, you know the
irrefutable bit of, personal data whether it be like a
social or driver's license or what. Have, You right and
we're pushing back against that even and like getting age
verified for. Porn sites i'm, just saying like there's an
argument out there where people, are, like no this is
the slipperiest.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Of slopes the law In The united kingdom we, talked
about which is rolling out and then of course one for.
The gooners as you mentioned the idea of age. Of,
VERIFICATION yeah i remember responding to YouTube comments on our
original channel and having people surprise that were applied back
(43:55):
and the tenor of their conversation totally changed because they
We hacked, dunbar's, number right and now they're talking to
an actual entity instead of some faceless channel on. The
INTERNET but i, DO think i, Don't know i'm so
(44:15):
torn About this Natalie and, bruglia's style because people do
behave differently when they're anonymous or when they feel that they.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Are anonymous how dare you make that song play in?
Speaker 4 (44:26):
My head, so, no, wait wait do? It again.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
You know that's actually. A cover there's an original version
of that that's not nearly, as good but they didn't
really get much love.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
FOR that i, JUST think i Think because Natalie, and
brugli we're a huge fan of. Your work by, the
way thanks for. Tuning in Natalie and bruglia's Cover of
torn is beautiful to me because they kept in the, deep,
Inhalations right.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
That's where the passion is expressed in the in.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
The inhales and we say that, as fans and you
know the names that we use here In The, united,
States folks so we're not. Being anonymous i'm.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
A professional i move my MOUTH when i breathe on.
The microphone does anybody remember What that's.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
And, so beaufort in the spirit Of, chocolate brain continues,
and says if that sense of responsibility and personal accountability is,
not present then whatever it is that we're talking about
can really no longer be described. As freedom it would be.
Something else and is that, something else something that? Deserves,
(45:44):
PROTECTION beaufort i think you are right there with us
and all our fellow listeners trying to figure out whether
there is a silver bullet, solve, everything panacea or solution.
To this because. You continue that's not TO say i
necessarily agree With how china is approaching, the issue but
(46:04):
like you all said, ABOUT it i am torn lying
naked on. The floor, of course brought away, From you natalie.
For YOU but i do think it's, a Mistake, says
BUFORD to equatee speaking to a crowd in the town
square to post you online from a semi anonymous social,
media handle those are very. DIFFERENT things i think it's
(46:26):
also worth remembering That The first amendment protects our right
to say whatever we feel but it does not protect
our access to a platform we don't own in order
to amplify. Our message kind of like we were talking, about,
again right the quote unquote public square of social media is,
privately owned so anybody who owns the thing can kick
(46:51):
you off at any time and there's nothing you can do,
about it you KNOW what? I? Mean yeah so is
that freedom? Of? SPEECH all.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I REALLY wish i wasn't as into this WHOLE verify.
I Am i'm i'm a little, into IT and i
REALLY wish.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I wasn't i, Am, TOO matt i TRULY say i
see the benefit of it and does not feel so
much awful things result from people being able to be,
completely ANONYMOUS and i don't know that that's like. A
feature it feels like the ability for people to do
things without.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Consequences exactly i'm ON the i think we're all on
the same, page here because the, social technology the social
compact has to evolve and step with what we, call
technology and that hasn't. Happened yet who knows when it's going.
TO happen i, keep thinking, you know we always talk
(47:47):
about the greater, good, argument right would we be willing
to sacrifice some liberty for. Some security that is an
old conversation and it keeps. Coming back we cannot wait
to hear, your thoughts friends. And neighbors fellow conspiracy Realist like,
(48:08):
buford said we don't know what the answer is or
what the best course of, action is but it's something
that's been on our minds a whole lot in. Recent
years and we are, Paraphrasing, you BUFORD and i hope
you like that we included ourselves in your last, sentence
there because it's it's something that everybody in this escape
(48:29):
room called life is going to have to, Figure out
prato like sooner than. You think we didn't want this
to end on a. Sad note so we do have
something that is not a great. Moral quandary we have
some breaking. Food news, you, guys, yeah yeah. Yeah yeah,
(48:52):
and folks if you think you're ready, strap in you
might not. Be ready, our pal longtime friend of, The Show,
chef ben introduced us to a. Phenomenal concept inspired in
part by our early explorations of, The Farrito chef ben
(49:13):
has created something he Calls. In CHILADZAGNA what i love
it already.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Is that like.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
It's, it's uh look the research. Is, ongoing, okay guys
but it does appear from our intel to be both lasagna. And,
Enchiladas okay and the word just hums you KNOW what.
I mean it's a real, longfellow boom. ENCHILADA zaya i.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
DON'T agree. I agree i just didn't hear a lot
of humming in that boom that, we heard.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
That's all oh, yeah yeah and play that part, back.
Again folks, OH yeah i, don't know, but, yeah, yeah.
Yeah yeah well one person's hum is another, person's, SCREAM right.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Don't know this is why you might need a degree
to be. An Influencer But chef ben does have his.
Bona FIDES and i got to, ask you what do
we think About? ENCHILADA zada i just like. Saying it sign.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Me up and that's the most important thing is that
the name rolls off, the tongue which we've demonstrated that it.
Clearly does so what could?
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Go wrong, oh yeah do we have?
Speaker 4 (50:34):
The recipe we don't have. The recipe the intel's not,
there yet but we do have some on the ground audio.
Visual footage oh, MY god. I know It's The cold
war all. Over again so what we know from initial
reporting is that this is a smoked pulled pork in.
Chilada zagna so that is our.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Active, ingredient oh we got some hatch chilis. In there
we're kind of we Work with.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
We have To Know.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Chef ben we can't wait to hear, From. You chef
we also want To, thank Inconspicuous Good, Old, Russ, ANONYMOUS, Cactus,
rx saturn Not The, Car Pastor, jeff buford and everyone for.
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Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my.
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They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
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November twentieth. Side note, we're recording this on November nineteenth.
We have so much to get to today, guys. But
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first and foremost, as we know, we can't do this
without some vegas and they gotta be rudea Are we
going to dig them up?
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about this big asteroid coming our way, Well, this guy
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Professor Warmoth shall we be worried.
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This root vegetable is hurtling towards us and could make impact.
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Speaking of football, who here loves the pensacle of potatoes?
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Do you think they have a chance this year?
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Jam? I do not know about football. This is very serious.
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Well that's a bummer. Anyway.
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Let's dig up some tuns and we'll be back with
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Yes, Dylan, you do the best disaffected like bro voice
I've ever heard in my life, and I adore it.
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Love your voice work there, Dylan. I mean, obviously, these
are glimpses into realities just one step away from our own.
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And a glimpse into the genius mind of super producer
Dylan Dennessee Palfay.
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Can we please start some X hype about getting Dylan
on the radio some rude Beega radio actually come on.
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It's time doing big in the rude Bega verse, which,
weirdly enough, sounds like something I could say with a
straight face at a Ted talk. You know what I mean?
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And we have returned with today's first bit of listen
or correspondents coming to us from Saturn. Not the planet,
maybe not the car company, maybe sure well, okay, for sure, no,
I'm with you, but possibly from the reaches of the
black ink that is outer space. But for now we're
gonna call our listener Saturn, who's asked us to do so. Hello,
and howdy call me Saturn. I was just listening to
(03:19):
your show about secret underground bunkers, a bang Ron episode.
If you ask me, that was me, Noel Brown. And
when y'all mentioned long term loud noise complaints, I got
a chill. I live in Minneapolis in a neighborhood called Longfellow.
We love Minneapolis. It is just off the Mississippi River
and I do love it, but we have a local
(03:40):
noise called the Longfellow Boom, and it has me wondering
about the possibility of an underground city possibly being built
inside the bluffs. Of the Mississippi River and take a
pause here. This is in regard to I think a
little aside moment that we had where we were talking
about the series Better call Saul. We're in some German
(04:02):
engineers build this underground bunker meth lab situation, and in
order to do it, they have to set off these
depth charges that's the wrong term, that's for underwater these
you know, charges, explosions that controlled demolition to build these tunnels,
and in order to disguise this, they do it like
when a train is passing. Matt said something that led
(04:25):
to that little conversation, and we were like, it was
occurring to us that maybe some of these mysterious sounds
could be as a result of this kind of activity.
I think I summ that up relatively accurately. So going
on with the email, my thinking goes, the University of
Minnesota built an archive in the bluffs on the opposite
side of the river, so why not an underground town
(04:47):
lair or what have you. Here's where it gets weird.
I went onto the next door website, where I've seen
tons of posts about the loud booms that we hear
in the middle of the night. Here's the thing. I
cannot find a single post about it, not one I know.
I've seen them before. I might have even posted about
it myself. It sounds like an explosion and is a
(05:10):
rough thing to wake up to. So where did all
the posts go? I did find two comments and other
people's posts in next Door that mention the Longfellow boom.
So I'm attaching those screenshots. But now I'm really starting
to wonder is there something being built right underneath our feet?
Maybe not, but I thought it was interesting enough that
I decided to write in about it. Thanks for the
fabulous show. Take care Saturn.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Okay, first of all, I need some help, guys, super
dumb question. How would you describe a bluff?
Speaker 5 (05:42):
Isn't a bluff like a cliff side?
Speaker 2 (05:45):
I just genuinely don't know because I'm imagining Minneapolis and
then like the big city and everything that what is
a bluff is.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
A genre of essentially? Yeah?
Speaker 5 (05:55):
Okay, yes, think of something leading up to a beach
head for example.
Speaker 4 (06:02):
Yeah, they're formed through erosion.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Okay, so we're talking about Mississippi River cutting through and
then you've got.
Speaker 5 (06:08):
Bluffs on where changing elevation, you know, cliff sides along
that coast of those.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Okay them, Well, I could see that as a viable
place to begin construction on some kind of point.
Speaker 5 (06:24):
You've already got an exposed, relatively soft place to start,
you know, drilling in to get to you know, to
the site of your potential underground city or bunker or.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
At least, like we always say, let geography do the work,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Oh, and then the boring company will do the rest company.
Speaker 5 (06:42):
So yeah, boring. I only just now got that connection
of y'all in my mind. I thought it was just
like you, I'm being self deprecating, which he probably still is.
But yeah, they may they do. They do literally drill holes.
There is a great Reddit thread in our slash r
b I about the long Fell Boom, and there's a
lot of comments from locals about, you know, this phenomenon
(07:06):
for folks living there in Minneapolis. Here's a little bit
of a TLDR from the op on that thread. For
several decades, people living near the Mississippi River in South
Minneapolis have reported hearing what's become known as the Longfellow Boom.
So describe it as a house shakingly, loud, booming, or
crashing noise that seems to only happen at night during
the summer months. Nobody has definitely been able to determine
(07:27):
what is causing the sound, and then they linked to
a quite good article in the Star Tribunes Curious Minnesota section,
what is causing the mysterious Longfellow Boom In South Minneapolis.
Neighbors near the Mississippi River have been searching for the
cause of these house shakingly loud noises. Here's the kicker,
y'all for decades a long construction project. Sounds to me.
(07:52):
Maybe it's more as a result of some sort of
kind of perfect storm connection between various natural features, which
does seem to be on the short list for potential
causes of this phenomenon. But I do like the thought
experiment of you know, some of these mysterious sounds being
related to secret construction projects.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
What do you guys think, Oh, yeah, that's super fun.
I wonder if there's something nearby that I just don't
know about, because I don't know the Minneapolis area very
well or Longfellow. I'm looking at a map and I'm
noticing that the Minneapolis Saint Paul International Airport is pretty
close south to where that I guess neighborhood is. And
(08:36):
I'm also noticing that there is a huge military base
that is.
Speaker 4 (08:41):
Like attached to that airport.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
Yeah, there is, which makes me think about planes that
could cause sonic booms coming in and.
Speaker 5 (08:50):
Out of that is that's on the list. Buddy, you
nailed it. And we do have a tweet here from
council member Andrew Johnson. City Council there in Minneapolis St.
Paul area says we've been looking into that loud boom
last night. He's talking specifically about one particular occurrence of
the boom, predominantly in the Longfellow area around ten thirty pm.
(09:10):
I heard it too. What we know so far is
that no one really seems to know where it came from.
Fire crews were dispatched but unable to find anything and
did not detect any smoke or gas. Excel Energy says
no transformers were blown another on the shortlist, and no
reports of power out Our storm water and sewer staff
did not have any events reported either. We are also
(09:32):
not aware of anyone who witnessed the source of the noise.
Folks who have lived in the neighborhood for a while
and may remember that there were a series of mysterious
booms that occurred in the same area dating back over
a decade. Perhaps this is a continuation. Curious to hear
the thoughts of residents who have experienced these over the years.
My office will continue to check in with our various
partner agencies to see what we can turn up. This
(09:52):
is actually a Facebook post, so we've got some nice
boomer responses here twenty one years. This person responds, having
experience this phenomenon for that long, I heard it in Standish,
kind of scary that no one knows where it came from.
This person of reports having heard it six to seven
years ago. Was in April evening, there was a boom
in the Standish neighborhood thirty ninth Street and twenty ninth ab.
(10:14):
It brought everyone on my block out of their homes.
It not only shook windows, that shook our houses. We
thought a plane or helicopter crashed, maybe a house blew up.
Police and fire were called. Nothing was This sounds like
a terrifyingly disruptive sound. Nothing was ever discovered. It's a mystery.
My neighborhood still talks about this. Sounds very familiar. Yeah,
(10:35):
let's see one last one. There used to be regular
booms ten plus years ago that shook the house, and
it happened often enough that I stopped worrying about the
noise every time it happened, but I always at least
went to the window. Last night's boom sounded more like
some giant metal thing slamming into the ground. There was
something metallic about it. Democracy Now had a boom discussion
(10:56):
a couple of years back, too, So this is you know, guys,
can you think of some other analogs to this, Maybe
that we might have mentioned? The hum was one, right,
the windsor hum?
Speaker 4 (11:06):
I think yeah. And Saturn, first off, thank you so
much for reaching out. We're gonna send you some links
in our email correspondence here because, as it turns out
to that earlier question, there are a lot of unidentified booms.
One that happened recently, our returning guest, is occurring across
(11:29):
the high desert out there in San Bernardino. The US
Geological Survey has confirmed there's no significant seismic activity. But guys,
let me give you a review of what we're gonna
go send over to Saturn here, putting the link in
the chat. There are loud booms going across so many
(11:51):
different parts of the United States, especially in recent years,
and I think, I think we're onto something with the
idea of military activity or secret excavations. It's actually kind
of tough to find the records of this, especially when Saturn,
like Noel was saying, especially when people can't concretely, definitively
(12:16):
identify the source of these strange rumblings and sounds.
Speaker 5 (12:21):
Yeah. An expert who spoke to The Tribune, the Star
Tribune about this, Fiona Quick, who's a writer who's lived
in the Longfell area for most of her life and
has been documenting the phenomenon since she moved back, compiled
a list of you know, her potential theories and some
of her research through a blog and her most of
(12:41):
her theories do involve human activity. One of my favorites
is dynamite fishing, nighttime dynamite first aw Yeah, people throwing
firecrackers in the water, or people just generally quote being
stupid by the river. But her lead theory is interesting
and it does sort of, I think, and up the
possibilities of what it might be. Is just the proximity
(13:04):
of living along that river can really play some funny
tricks on you. As far as sound is concerned, she says,
because you're down by the river, the sound echoes inordinately.
Where I live is in a built in kind of
swampy area. The sound moves and the ground is kind
of a built in spring, so everything is river based,
water based, and the sound travels differently.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
Saturn, what we're saying is the river will call your bluff.
Speaker 5 (13:31):
Runs through it. That was fantastic, ben.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
Guys, Guys, I found a longfellow boom. At least according
to Donnie Musgrove, who uploaded this on July twenty third,
twenty twenty two, to YouTube. This is captured from a
ys Wyze security camera. It says it occurred at two
twenty one oh seven. I don't know if that. It
looks like it's dark, so maybe that's in the morning
(13:55):
at two twenty one. Should we hear it?
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yes? Please?
Speaker 2 (13:59):
Okay, there it goes.
Speaker 5 (14:03):
Shit sounds like a sound effect, man, like from a
video game or something that is startling.
Speaker 4 (14:12):
Let's replay it one more time for anybody who didn't
catch it.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
Okay, here we go, let's listen to it one more time.
Let's get the characteristics and action.
Speaker 5 (14:25):
Ooh, I'm hearing gurgling there at the end.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, but that is that just reverberation, you know, because
of the area, like we talked about with the river
and everything.
Speaker 5 (14:32):
Well, Matt, I don't know if we've mentioned this. I
don't think we have on this show, but Ben and
I have have a relationship lovely human on Ridiculous History
with someone who is the pre eminent expert on underwater explosions,
doctor Rachel Lance. I wonder if we might get a
little insight from her.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
That would be awesome. I would love to hear what
she has to say.
Speaker 5 (14:54):
Maybe we'll do a follow up. A few other common
ideas that I've seen thrown around on the Reddit throughout
or one that was actually mentioned in the article electrical
transformers exploding. One that really figures into what we're talking
about here with some of that those gurgly water sounds,
a fault line under the river, just some sort of
natural geological feature. Really seems like it could be the culprit.
(15:18):
And even I know you like this one, Matt, secret
planes breaking the sound barrier. The script that the sound
has often been described as we just heard as like
a bomb going off and yeah, no, so so far
when any local authorities have been alerted and come to
the scene haven't found anything. Maybe we'll see if we
can get doctor Lance awagh in on that. Super interesting.
(15:39):
So thanks for the email, Saturn, and we're gonna take
a quick break here from our sponsor.
Speaker 4 (15:43):
And then we're back.
Speaker 2 (15:49):
And we've returned and we are jumping to the voicemail lines. Guys,
we've got a bunch of messages here. Have one from
good old Russ about the mule Cat. I think let's
listen to it really quickly. It's just a great observation
and it plays off of things we've already talked about,
and it does kind of remind me what we talked
about last week on listener mail with the mule ads
(16:13):
the Icelandic volcano nerd. But there's it's just cool insight.
So let's just let's jump really quickly to good old Russ.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Hey, Jen, it's good old Russ here. You can use
my name or whatever, So I'll just listen to your
listener mail about the mule cat and the clothing exchange.
Speaker 6 (16:30):
And what I was.
Speaker 7 (16:31):
Thinking was, what if this whole threatening the kids was
just a way for the parents, like an excuse like hey,
I have to give you clothes or the mule cat's
gonna get you. Kind I could cop out, not like,
oh my god, if I don't give you closed, you're
gonna kill you. No, it's hey, I have to give
(16:52):
you clothes over toys or the mule cat's gonna get you.
Don't blame me that you guys quoted Christmas. You know
I'm looking out for you anyway. Keep it the great word, guys,
just a thought. I'll check you, guys. Letter Dylan, you're
the best man.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
That's good.
Speaker 4 (17:11):
Oh, it's the system, it says folklore. I love it.
Speaker 5 (17:15):
Heard agree read Dylan being the best. Yeah, I mean
it's certainly one way you could spin it to your kids,
no doubt.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, thank you, good old Russ.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
But honestly, good ol Russ. We do appreciate your insight
there and your idea. We put that in there because
of the shout out to Dylan. Dylan needs more love,
more shout outs to Dylan and the voicemails. We call
for it.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
We call for it in the email and on social
media as well. You know what I mean? For sure? Yeah,
for sure.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
Oh and we also call for it leaving nice reviews
on iTunes or your podcast platform of choice, and we
get some particularly interesting nice ones. Maybe we'll add those
to the listener mail rotation.
Speaker 4 (17:51):
M m well said, Yeah, every time we get a
nice review and angel claps their hands and our boss
texts us with cryptic encouragement.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
That's right, it just says great job, boys. But then
you have no idea what the tone is. They end
it with a period.
Speaker 4 (18:10):
It seems yeah, because they're writing actual sentences. Yeah, but
also like without a period is more cryptic? I disagree.
Speaker 2 (18:20):
What about a question mark?
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Also exclamation mark? You gotta be careful with those. Good
over it? Yeah, good old Russ. We don't want to
We don't want to derail too far. But your logic
feels solid here because now you can be the parent
who is maybe not doing all the fun stuff, but
the necessary stuff, and you can say, hey, kiddo, it's
(18:47):
not me. You know, this is just the world in
which we live.
Speaker 2 (18:50):
Oh yeah, I think I think in this house we're
going to start introducing the yule cat as a concept
just for all kinds of various things. You hope that
yulecat doesn't get you?
Speaker 4 (19:01):
Then I got your back, man, I gotta I got
a yule Cat costume. Let's just make this happen. I'll
just I'll just sort of paper at the end of
the street in the horizon for a second, so you
can prove it to your kids, Like.
Speaker 5 (19:14):
I mean, like pull of heist in your cat suit.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Oh my god, if you could find a way just
get in the backyard. Uh, just and kind of lurk
back there just a little bit to where I can
just open a window and be like, oh, what's that.
Speaker 4 (19:28):
Okay, we'll uh, we'll work on that one. I think
I think there's something here.
Speaker 2 (19:33):
That would be amazing. All right, we're jumping to a
voicemail where the audio comes from inside a vehicle. I
tried my absolute best to use isotope on this one, guys,
to just clean it up so we could hear. Because
I think it's a it's a good thing to know.
It is difficult to understand at times. So let's jump
to this anonymous voicemail call and just remind everybody, please
(19:54):
please please find a good sound environment when you call
into the voicemail system. It just helps everybody out, especially
your fellow conspiracy realist, to understand what you're saying, including us,
All right.
Speaker 8 (20:04):
Here we go, Hey, guys, I was just listening to
your last thing about the emails. You guys talked about
the dog that didn't bark, and I wanted you to
know that that was a Sherlock Holmes reference. So unfortunately
I've seen like Charlock hoes. So there is a story
called the Adventures silver Blaze, and silver Blaze was a
(20:25):
racecourse that disappeared the night before a big race and
the trainer was murdered and Sherlock hone noticed that the
dog in the stables didn't bark, So that means the
murderer must have been in front with the dogs. So
basically he was using a meta course thing that the
absence of a clue, they tell you something.
Speaker 5 (20:47):
That's it, dude, that's so cool. I've been working my
way through the complete volumes of Sherlock Holmes and I
haven't gotten on audiobook. I haven't gotten to the Dog
that didn't Bark yet, but I do love a homesy
and you know reference, although it was from not a
great guy, but yeah, interesting hadn't heard that. What was
it called silver Blaze?
Speaker 9 (21:10):
Silver Blaze eighteen ninety two and It's it's interesting here, Anonymous,
because a lot of people have been really kind of
diving into the nature of the emails.
Speaker 4 (21:23):
I think Matt you mentioned or we had a great
conversation about the possibility of speaking in coded language, and
I think you, Noel Tennessee and I all kind of
landed on the same page that there was definitely some
tricky wordplay in those emails. People are being careful about
what they type. I haven't found prow and it's gonna
(21:49):
be hard to find proof, but I haven't found proof
that Jeffrey Epstein was specifically going and ow reference Surelock
home silver Blaze from eighteen ninety two Glaine and that's
all will totally get this. But it does sound persuasive, right,
It's juicy. It's uh tantalizing to imagine that this is
(22:10):
a Sherlock Holmes reference.
Speaker 5 (22:12):
I think it is, though, I mean, like it's definitely
a holmesy en trope, like it comes if you type
in that phrase in all you get are are quotes
from Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, and like the Wikipedia for
that story comes right up. I think he was absolutely
making an intentional reference, whether he was, you know, doing
it on purpose or not, might have been in the
back of his mind.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
It's interesting, dude, But just thinking about that code of lange.
I went back through yesterday and I was looking at
piece of gate emails and just going through and trying
to understand, like, what what was the phrasing in here
specifically that you know made me so suspicious way back
in the day, and then you know, built that entire thing,
and then you know, we went through and analyzed it
(22:52):
pretty hard over the years, but still like, what was
the phrasing, right, the code of language kind of thing,
and there's some weird stuff, but it's mostly just out
of context talking about food, which is which is odd
in itself, right, But none of it was like, none
of it was a smoking gun for activity happening, right,
(23:13):
And not a single thing in in those WikiLeaks emails,
but in these it's pretty in your face. And then
I saw, guys, yesterday November eighteenth, there was a story
posted in Reuter's about charges against some ex investment banker
and a bunch of other people doing a global you know,
insider trading scheme. And at the very bottom of that
(23:35):
Reuter's article they talk about the codes that they were
speaking in and I'm just going to read this one
little sentence here. They spoke in code as well, referencing
money as greens, insider trading as running yet to be
announced deals as races, and another like a race, and
then another company's prospective merger, the two partners as girls
(23:59):
and or mod So they were having email exchanges talking
about what they were doing. Just it's not stuff that
would ping on a metadata search or something.
Speaker 4 (24:08):
So it would be something like, hey, everybody, the girls
and models are running green. There's a race.
Speaker 2 (24:16):
Yeah, but it was Yeah, but I'm assuming I don't
know exactly how it would be worth, right, But like
somehow in there they can talk openly just with those phrases, and.
Speaker 4 (24:27):
They probably they probably have a different window of usage, right,
not to get too into the weeds, but they wouldn't
have an entire sentence with all the keywords in it.
It would be like, oh, hey, how you doing. The
weather's great today, I went running outside, and then like
two other innocuous sentences, something about girls and or models,
(24:50):
something about greens. You know what I mean. There's an
art to it.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yeah, it is weird thinking that you might have a
conversation just if thinking to your well, you might have
a conversation one time about the compromat you've been accruing
over the course of decades, And like, if you're doing
that already, are you nervous about somebody finding your email?
You know, because you've got all this compromat on everybody
(25:17):
that might find your email and want to hurt you.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
You know, I've been thinking about that, you guys, because
now we get to the argument or the consideration of
the following theory, which will probably interest you. Aid on
would it be possible to just especially with automation and
AI trash programs, would it be possible to just inundate
(25:43):
your suspicious email address with a bunch of wackadoo funny?
Why would I read this stuff? You know what I mean? So,
for like every one email you have that has some
sort of relevant or pertinent information, you have a thousand
others that shoot out that are just calling back to
our earlier episode. They're just your opinions about Star Wars,
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you know what I mean. You think we could get
away with that?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
I think you could if you made if you made
that thing, like that fictional thing that you're creating and
cooking up workshopping with somebody over email, make that fictional
thing the same thing or very similar to the thing
you're actually doing. So then now it's impossible to tell
why are they talking about something real or are they
(26:31):
talking about this fictitional world that they're building.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Yeah, a little bit of role playing blur the lines
between reality and fiction. So if we were to give
notes to Jeffrey Epstein, we have a few. If we
were not on a list, though, Folks, if we were
to give some notes, if you want to use things
like a dog that hasn't barked, then if you want
(26:56):
to get away with that and convey that information in
a secure way, have a bunch of other information, other
emails about dogs and barking versus howling, and you know
you can do BA and the Dog Show, whatever the
dog show is. You know, be a person who talks
about dogs, and then you can slide some slick in there.
(27:20):
Thank you for the beep, Dylan.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Dude, some weird stuff is going on with the Epstein thing.
It got approve.
Speaker 5 (27:30):
Okay with that guy. Was he trying to make a
statement that he not get the memo of what.
Speaker 4 (27:36):
Going Yeah, it's a symbolic thing Congress does this all
the time for any political stripe. If you already know
the way the wind blows, shout out to Bob Dylan. Uh,
you don't have to be the weather man, right, You
can make a symbolic stance that does not affect what's
going to happen.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
Yeah, and you could say he's only like, Hey, I'm
just worried this is going to affect some people in
ways that we don't understand yet, unintentional consequences. A little
worried about that.
Speaker 4 (28:04):
It's a new conversation.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Whatever.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Also, thank you for the campaign donations.
Speaker 2 (28:09):
Yeah, well, we'll see what happens there. We're gonna have to
just keep our ears to the ground because it's going
to get weirder and weirder. Speaking of weirder and weirder, guys,
do you remember Inconspicuous's near death experience from last week?
Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, quite excited about this.
Speaker 2 (28:25):
Well, apparently he didn't finish, so we we didn't even
we don't even know his full near death experience. So
he called back in with a little more information and
it's kind of beautiful. So let's jump to inconspicuous.
Speaker 10 (28:37):
Hello, jents, this is Inconspicuous again. You put me on
air last week, which, of course you can do the
same with this one if you'd like. I'm following up
because I only got half of my near death experience
out to you before the three minute mark. So here
goes the rest. Okay past sell light energy medieval scene.
(28:58):
There were beings around and all of them were made
of light energy. Just the happiest place you get ever
possibly beat. And I had a guide. The guide was
much taller than me, no distinguishable features other than a
humanoid form made of light energy. Guided me into said castle,
where every brick was radiating at a different light spectrum.
(29:22):
Everyone was unique, and I felt like this was purposely
meant for me. So we walked down the corridor and
I stopped, and you know, nothing was verbal, but I
got the indication that I was supposed to look into
one of these bricks. I remember thinking and feeling that,
oh my gosh, I'm going to find out all the
answers to the universe and everything right forty two So
(29:47):
I poke my head into one of these bricks of light,
and I was instantly looking through the eyes of a
very young toddler, and it felt like it was an
central park. I was a little child, a little girl
to be more specific, and I have a daughter and
had a daughter at this time. So I was like, well,
(30:10):
I know that this isn't one of my memories. I
know that this is not my daughter's memory because I
look completely different than her, and I would have remembered
we've ever been to New York or to any clean,
extravagant park like that. I immediately realized that I was being
given a choice to accept a new life or go
(30:30):
back to the old one that I wasn't finished with.
So I immediately got angry, and I was shot back
into my body and I woke up smiling, have a
good night.
Speaker 5 (30:39):
Well it's incredible, you know what makes me think of
I don't mean to joke, but like that episode of
The Simpsons where mister Burns is wandering through the forest
like glowing and things like I bring you long peace,
Just in terms of the entity of it all and
the glowing, you know, native energy, that's where my mind.
It's a great episode.
Speaker 2 (30:58):
Well, I'm sure it is Simpson's Rocks, but it is
reminiscent of other NDEs we've heard about in the past. Right,
this concept of whether you know in this case, it's
luminous bricks. Other cases, it's almost like windows that you're
looking through and it's just other people's perceptions or other
people's lives, and you're kind of walking through a gallery
(31:22):
of some sort. It's very, very cool, And I just
love the way you presented it in conspicuous because it
it sounds like something I would want to do. Hmm.
Speaker 4 (31:37):
Yeah, if you in conspicuous, you've probably heard this before.
But what you are describing tells us, or at least me,
that you are not alone in this experience, because so
many people have reported similar phenomenon, right, Like you were saying, Matt,
(31:59):
there's this there's this commonality at least in self reporting
that still sort of baffles science. Neurologists are still trying
to figure out exactly what's going on. Your description of
the as Noel said, luminescent, sort of friendly mister Burns
(32:19):
character reminds me of our episode on Third Man Syndrome.
Do you guys remember that?
Speaker 5 (32:24):
Of course, like the Jesus footprints.
Speaker 4 (32:29):
Yeah thing, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, footprints in the sand.
There's this fascinating thing where a lot of people who
have indes or near death experiences describe not only a
huge shift in perspective, but they describe meeting other entities
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that are usually going to be benevolent and wise and helpful.
And if you want to learn more about this, check
out the story of Ernest Shackleton, I want to say,
the Arctic Explorer. He's the one who popularized the concept
of third man syndrome. I don't know. I keep going
(33:12):
back to those episodes and Conspicuous because in those we find,
I mean, without getting into all the hair splitting stuff
about scientific method, we find a lot of people who
have provably had a near death experience reporting a lot
of the same things. Although I got to say I'm
(33:36):
with the team here on this one man. That description
of uniquely light attuned different bricks in a castle, Come on,
that's amazing. That's just phenomenal storytelling too. Well.
Speaker 2 (33:51):
Yeah, And the concept that you each one of those
is if you hook yourself up to it in such
a way that can become your perception. Ah, the bricks
of perception.
Speaker 4 (34:02):
I see, it's a segue.
Speaker 2 (34:04):
Huh. Well, we talked about the doors of perception recently,
and I think I made some not good joke about it.
The book being about addiction, or something because it was
drug related. But then just we're not going to share it,
Cactus RX. But Cactus RX send in a voicemail just saying, Hey,
that's not what Doors of Perception is about. It's about
(34:25):
mesculine and peyote and you know some pretty hefty things.
It's not addiction. And you're absolutely right.
Speaker 4 (34:33):
However, Aldus Huxley did write Brave New World, right, Hey,
the pepsi to the Coca Cola of Warwell's nineteen eighty
four God that works. Okay, that works well, keep it does.
But the issue with addiction in Brave New World is
quite apparent because the society forces people to ingest certain things.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, payota.
Speaker 5 (35:03):
I can I ask yes something really quickly. Is it
still considered addiction if it's a prescribed medication, like something
that you rely on for mental health, For example, like
I ran out of a medication, uh a, you know
what's the word. I'm looking for anti anxiety antidepressant kind
of medication for the first time since I've been taking it,
(35:24):
and I really felt it, like I felt withdrawal. I
felt real, not good, and it made me really realize
how much my brain depends on these substances, even though
I think addiction is a term thrown around more, you know,
around illegal drugs or around drug abuse, but we are
all still addicted to the medications we are prescribed.
Speaker 4 (35:44):
Right. There's a you know, I really appreciate that point.
And there's a dependency conversation, right, and addiction.
Speaker 5 (35:52):
Is dependency versus addiction, right, And so.
Speaker 4 (35:55):
Like, if you have a physiological medical condition, like a
lot of us in the audience tonight, then should we
say you are addicted to a heart medication when we
know that a month without that medication will result in
your death. I think that's a really interesting conversation we
can explore further.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Uh huh, all right, Well, that's it for now on
the voicemail systems. We will be back with more messages
from you.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
And we have returned a fellow conspiracy realist. As you
probably know, hopefully know, we had an episode for the
Halloween season about the concept of selling one's soul, and
I think we were all mutually fascinated by the nuances involved.
We heard from an awesome guy we're going to call
(36:53):
pastor Jeff. We heard from a lot of other people
about the idea of selling their souls. And then we
also had a lot of correspondence about the First Amendment.
We don't have time to get to all of these,
So if we're okay with it, I propose that we
talk about the follow up responses to our conversation about China.
(37:14):
And you know what makes an influencer legitimate? Yeah? Okay?
For brief recap of this, folks, we had the news
in a recent Strange News program about the government of
Chia's plan to require certain influencers to have bona fides
(37:37):
to prove that if you are talking about finance law
or medicine specifically, says Uncle G and the Boys, then
you have to also provide certification, a diploma, a degree,
something like that, so that the people encountering that social
media aren't just talking to a rando who woke up
(38:00):
one day and said Swiss cheese is the key to
curing diabetes or something like that.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
It's tail and all, you guys, it's.
Speaker 4 (38:08):
Til and all yes, And check out our ridiculous history
episode that published recently on the Chicago Thailand All Murders
shout out to our research associated on that one. Dylan, Sorry, Dylan,
different Dylan You're always going to be our Tennessee, So
here we go. Buford gives us a very thoughtful response
(38:28):
to our conversation about a dilemma that I think we
as a group are still dithering over and perhaps mithering
other people about. So Beewford, you say hello again, Ben, Matt,
and Nole. I am listening to the latest Strange News program,
and your discussion on how China is attempting to control
(38:51):
the spread of misinformation or disinformation on social media touches
on something I've been thinking about quite a bit lately.
Should the First Amendment offer the same protections online as
an American? Says Buford. My knee jerk response is, of course,
But after further reflection, I questioned that reaction, and this
(39:14):
goes back to what we're talking about. With what we've
been saying for years, technology always outpaces legislation. Should the
First Amendment apply to digital public forums? Knowing that the
Internet has no real borders? You know what I mean?
Like is going onto TikTok and us saying wait, we
(39:36):
use Swiss cheese and diabetes with something else, just making
a crazy claim, like saying, hey, choose or just gloves
for your feet? Wait? No, that's actually true.
Speaker 5 (39:49):
Okay, I think I understand. I mean, but isn't this
sort of the very nature of free speech, like such
a big part of the way we exercise free speech
these days is online. So isn't that just inevitably going
to and get swept up into, you know, crackdowns on
free speech potentially? Is there any way that it is
somehow exempt from that. I don't know that it is
(40:11):
even harder. Yeah, but I don't know.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Yeah, No, it's great, man, because that's the badger in
the bag, right. Beufrey continues and says, the concept of freedom,
at least to me, carries with it a sense of
personal responsibility and accountability. One should not be completely free
to act if they are not held to account for
their actions. And conversely, people who are not acting of
(40:34):
their own free will are usually granted some leniency. Right, So,
if you're making somebody, you know, shout anti Falloung Gong
messages on a street corner, or if you're, like, if
you're making a kid, a six year old or something,
trot out on Pennsylvania Avenue and say some wild stuff
(40:57):
they don't understand about the Federal Reserve? Is that freedom
of speech for the kid is that does the kid
have agency? I don't know. This is such deep water.
Speaker 2 (41:08):
Doesn't it feel like free speech is one of the
coolest things that exists, one of the most important things
that exist. But doesn't it also feel like it is
kind of a thing that's getting us in a lot
of hot spots, like a lot of trouble lately, just
when it comes to what the nature of truth and
belief and all of these things, the things that make
(41:29):
us human.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
Yeah, and it's it really becomes a who watches the
Watchmen scenario? Right or the The dilemma here is, Okay,
if any given community, nation, tribe, civilization, whatever, if they
decide that for the greater good, freedom of speech has
to be mitigated or disallowed, then who gets to tell
(41:55):
you when to shut up? You know what I mean?
Who's in charge of the of the conversation there? I
think it's super sticky. I don't know if there's an
actual right answer on this one. I don't know about you, guys,
but I've been thinking about this for a while. It's
really bugging me.
Speaker 2 (42:13):
The answer is, quit social media.
Speaker 4 (42:16):
Answers, Quit social media, stop sipping them social meds for
you continue, you say, we also know that humans act
differently when they feel shielded from accountability. Mob mentality will
lead people to do things as part of a group
that they would never do individually. Screen Names and avatars
(42:36):
give people a sense of anonymity that allows them to
speak and act in ways that they otherwise Wouldn't I
think we could all agree with that, right sure, Like
if it's if if if you meet somebody in the
street and you talk to them in physical proximity, they're
(42:57):
gonna behave differently than they would if they were YouTube
butt Rock six' nine x six' nine x. On YouTube.
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Have we talked about, that before the concept of having
the real names on, the internet so every account would
be your.
Speaker 5 (43:14):
Actual tied to some sort of like, you know the
irrefutable bit of, personal data whether it be like a
social or driver's license or what. Have, You right and
we're pushing back against that even and like getting age
verified for. Porn sites i'm, just saying like there's an
argument out there where people, are, like no this is
the slipperiest.
Speaker 4 (43:32):
Of slopes the law In The united kingdom we, talked
about which is rolling out and then of course one for.
The gooners as you mentioned the idea of age. Of,
VERIFICATION yeah i remember responding to YouTube comments on our
original channel and having people surprise that were applied back
(43:55):
and the tenor of their conversation totally changed because they
We hacked, dunbar's, number right and now they're talking to
an actual entity instead of some faceless channel on. The
INTERNET but i, DO think i, Don't know i'm so
(44:15):
torn About this Natalie and, bruglia's style because people do
behave differently when they're anonymous or when they feel that they.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
Are anonymous how dare you make that song play in?
Speaker 4 (44:26):
My head, so, no, wait wait do? It again.
Speaker 5 (44:36):
You know that's actually. A cover there's an original version
of that that's not nearly, as good but they didn't
really get much love.
Speaker 4 (44:42):
FOR that i, JUST think i Think because Natalie, and
brugli we're a huge fan of. Your work by, the
way thanks for. Tuning in Natalie and bruglia's Cover of
torn is beautiful to me because they kept in the, deep,
Inhalations right.
Speaker 5 (45:01):
That's where the passion is expressed in the in.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
The inhales and we say that, as fans and you
know the names that we use here In The, united,
States folks so we're not. Being anonymous i'm.
Speaker 2 (45:12):
A professional i move my MOUTH when i breathe on.
The microphone does anybody remember What that's.
Speaker 4 (45:24):
And, so beaufort in the spirit Of, chocolate brain continues,
and says if that sense of responsibility and personal accountability is,
not present then whatever it is that we're talking about
can really no longer be described. As freedom it would be.
Something else and is that, something else something that? Deserves,
(45:44):
PROTECTION beaufort i think you are right there with us
and all our fellow listeners trying to figure out whether
there is a silver bullet, solve, everything panacea or solution.
To this because. You continue that's not TO say i
necessarily agree With how china is approaching, the issue but
(46:04):
like you all said, ABOUT it i am torn lying
naked on. The floor, of course brought away, From you natalie.
For YOU but i do think it's, a Mistake, says
BUFORD to equatee speaking to a crowd in the town
square to post you online from a semi anonymous social,
media handle those are very. DIFFERENT things i think it's
(46:26):
also worth remembering That The first amendment protects our right
to say whatever we feel but it does not protect
our access to a platform we don't own in order
to amplify. Our message kind of like we were talking, about,
again right the quote unquote public square of social media is,
privately owned so anybody who owns the thing can kick
(46:51):
you off at any time and there's nothing you can do,
about it you KNOW what? I? Mean yeah so is
that freedom? Of? SPEECH all.
Speaker 2 (47:01):
I REALLY wish i wasn't as into this WHOLE verify.
I Am i'm i'm a little, into IT and i
REALLY wish.
Speaker 5 (47:11):
I wasn't i, Am, TOO matt i TRULY say i
see the benefit of it and does not feel so
much awful things result from people being able to be,
completely ANONYMOUS and i don't know that that's like. A
feature it feels like the ability for people to do
things without.
Speaker 4 (47:26):
Consequences exactly i'm ON the i think we're all on
the same, page here because the, social technology the social
compact has to evolve and step with what we, call
technology and that hasn't. Happened yet who knows when it's going.
TO happen i, keep thinking, you know we always talk
(47:47):
about the greater, good, argument right would we be willing
to sacrifice some liberty for. Some security that is an
old conversation and it keeps. Coming back we cannot wait
to hear, your thoughts friends. And neighbors fellow conspiracy Realist like,
(48:08):
buford said we don't know what the answer is or
what the best course of, action is but it's something
that's been on our minds a whole lot in. Recent
years and we are, Paraphrasing, you BUFORD and i hope
you like that we included ourselves in your last, sentence
there because it's it's something that everybody in this escape
(48:29):
room called life is going to have to, Figure out
prato like sooner than. You think we didn't want this
to end on a. Sad note so we do have
something that is not a great. Moral quandary we have
some breaking. Food news, you, guys, yeah yeah. Yeah yeah,
(48:52):
and folks if you think you're ready, strap in you
might not. Be ready, our pal longtime friend of, The Show,
chef ben introduced us to a. Phenomenal concept inspired in
part by our early explorations of, The Farrito chef ben
(49:13):
has created something he Calls. In CHILADZAGNA what i love
it already.
Speaker 2 (49:22):
Is that like.
Speaker 4 (49:25):
It's, it's uh look the research. Is, ongoing, okay guys
but it does appear from our intel to be both lasagna. And,
Enchiladas okay and the word just hums you KNOW what.
I mean it's a real, longfellow boom. ENCHILADA zaya i.
Speaker 2 (49:52):
DON'T agree. I agree i just didn't hear a lot
of humming in that boom that, we heard.
Speaker 4 (49:57):
That's all oh, yeah yeah and play that part, back.
Again folks, OH yeah i, don't know, but, yeah, yeah.
Yeah yeah well one person's hum is another, person's, SCREAM right.
Speaker 2 (50:11):
I.
Speaker 4 (50:11):
Don't know this is why you might need a degree
to be. An Influencer But chef ben does have his.
Bona FIDES and i got to, ask you what do
we think About? ENCHILADA zada i just like. Saying it sign.
Speaker 5 (50:24):
Me up and that's the most important thing is that
the name rolls off, the tongue which we've demonstrated that it.
Clearly does so what could?
Speaker 2 (50:32):
Go wrong, oh yeah do we have?
Speaker 4 (50:34):
The recipe we don't have. The recipe the intel's not,
there yet but we do have some on the ground audio.
Visual footage oh, MY god. I know It's The cold
war all. Over again so what we know from initial
reporting is that this is a smoked pulled pork in.
Chilada zagna so that is our.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
Active, ingredient oh we got some hatch chilis. In there
we're kind of we Work with.
Speaker 3 (51:01):
We have To Know.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Chef ben we can't wait to hear, From. You chef
we also want To, thank Inconspicuous Good, Old, Russ, ANONYMOUS, Cactus,
rx saturn Not The, Car Pastor, jeff buford and everyone for.
Tuning in as we get here towards the end of,
the year we would like to hear. From you please
stay tuned for our. Upcoming episodes we got a lot
(51:24):
on the way, for you and let us know. Your
thoughts let us know what you think about The. First,
look folks if, you, have like if you can figure
Out This first, amendment problem can you just, tell us
like at, this point just fix it Please, answers, yeah.
Yeah yeah find us, via, email always find us on,
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Exist on facebook With our Facebook group here's where It,
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