K prompts an exploration of the theory that lead exposure created a crime wave -- and possibly explains how this may have created a rash of serial killers. Easy E shares first hand experience as a nurse who can smell not only death, but dozens of other conditions. Flea wonders what aliens see when they observe Earth. Steve-From-Ohio hips the guys to the bizarre story of the 1961 Eagle River Alien Encounter. We won't spoil this strange tale other than to say: space pancakes. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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Before we get into the real Rue de big is there,
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And we have returned, and let's just get right to
these particular rue de begas. We've got a letter coming
from the United Kingdom evening from the UK. That's United Kingdom.
Apologies if you've already covered this, we haven't, but it's
a subject near and dear to all of us. However,
I just listened to an episode of The Guardians Today
(03:22):
in Focus podcast which interviewed Caroline Fraser. I hadn't heard
of her before, but she's a Pulitzerprise winning journalist who
has a very interesting theory about lead as in PB
on the periodic table and male violence. She's just published
a book called murder Land, which explores how lead poisoning
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may be behind the volume of serial killers in the
nineteen seventies and eighties in the Pacific Northwest of the
United States. Very simply put, many serial killers such as
Ted Bundy lived in areas where there was a high
level of industrial lead waste. Crucially, they lived in these
areas as children. It's thought this exposure may have affected
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their brain development and contributed to the sheer number of
serial killers during this period. There's an Interesting Times article
interview here if you want to learn more. Keep up
the entertaining k My goodness, kay, I think this uh really,
you know, checked a box for all three of us.
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As we've you know, obviously in this podcast alone, we
talk about these sorts of true crime serial killer stories. Often.
We've all independently and as a group, worked on various
true crime stories, many of which are based in the
mid the Pacific Northwest. Worked on a show called The
Happy Face or Happy Face, as did Ben, which was
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about a notorious serial killer from Washington State. And then
some of the biggest names in serial killing, if that's
a thing, have hailed from this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Region in Zodiac Zodiac San Francis, San Francisco Bay Area and.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Murder in Oregon as well, the Murder.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
In Oregon as well, a lot of the hits. And
it is absolutely an interesting point that I hadn't considered
in this respect. But we had definitely considered on this
show and on Ridiculous History in terms of this notion.
A recent study I think as well, about how lead
content perhaps increased the decline of Roman civilization, or at
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least their influence on the rest of the world, because
of all of the lead that they were consuming, the
lead that they were being, you know, contaminated by. In
this idea of a cognitive decline, you know, of an
entire civilization over time. So this absolutely tracks in so
many ways, and you're absolutely right, Kay. The article why
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do so many serial killers come from the Pacific Northwest?
A new book offers a theory by Rosemary counter Uh
In Time is a really great read, and I will
read a couple of quotes from the interview with the author,
Caroline Fraser. She was just seven years old and lived
only miles away during Ted Bundy's nineteen seventy four killing spree,
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and she had this to say. The question here, coming
from the reporter the Zodiac killer John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway,
Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam Richard Ramirez, that it feels
like suddenly serial killers were everywhere. Caroline says, certainly by
the time of Ramirez in the mid eighties, people were thinking,
what the hell is going on here? It makes me
think of that expression people for around there must have
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been something in the water. Well, it's striking to me
now that nobody was asking why, nobody was looking at
the larger pattern and asking are there more killers than before?
Is there something about the Pacific Northwest? The FBI was
presenting themselves as the experts, but they weren't explaining anything
about the phenomenon. Serial killers have always been with us
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in some fashion, but certainly not in these numbers. And
then she goes on to get asked about this lead
crime hypothesis, which posits, according to the reporter, a direct
correlation between crime and lead, or as you put it,
speaking to Caroline, more lead, more murder. What's the connection,
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they ask? Caroline says this, and then we'll just send
it to the group, because I think we're all itching
to talk about this. During the post war period, an
enormous amount of lead was in the air from mainly
two sources, leaded gas which everybody used for decades, and
heavy industry like smelting. People are still debating the numbers,
but it is pretty well accepted now. That between twenty
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and fifty percent of the sharp rising crime in the
nineteen eighties and nineties is attributed to lead. We know
lead causes aggression. We know lead damages the brain in
developing children. I don't think anybody thinks lead isn't at
least a factor anymore, as there's a clear association between
the withdrawal of leaded gas in the nineties and the
drop off of crime in the fifties and sixties. Geochemist
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Claire Patterson proved that lead exposure had caused what he
called a loss of mental acuity. But the effects of
lead are all over the map. Besides intelligence, it can
affect personality. Many studies connect lead exposure to a particular
kind of frontal cortex damage that leads to heightened aggression.
This is observed largely in males. The higher the lead exposure,
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the greater the brain volume mass and reduced brain volume
has been linked to higher levels of psychopathy and last thing,
specifically in the Pacific Northwest, there were some particularly nasty
sites smelting sites, and the way they disposed of their
waste was also particularly nasty.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's interesting that it was smoke stacks, often where You've
just got twenty five pounds of lead dust and five
hundred and eighty one pounds of arsenic, essentially dust just
pumping into the air every hour in one place. And
that's just one of the places that's smelting. And you
just imagined the whole area being covered in that stuff
that gets on everything.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah. They specifically talk about a SARCO in Tacoma, Washington,
which regularly released these clouds of lead and arsenic that
became white, ash, killed pets, eroded paint off of cars,
and the air literally became so poisoned that it was
the color of lead. And they referred to it as
the aroma of Tacoma.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Oh, I like it.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Rhyme, what is a SARCO hill It's say smelting operation.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Okay, okay. This also reminds us of one of the
most infamous inventors in history, one of the worst cases
of an accidental bad guy, Thomas Midgley Junior. He's the
guy who invented, essentially invented popularized leaded gasoline. The right Yeah,
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the lead crime hypk. Please read up on Midgley if
you are having an afternoon that feels too pleasant.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
We saw said on him on ridiculous history as well,
or we lumped him in with I think a was
it inventors killed by their no inventors, Yes, stuff by accident.
That sucks basically right.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, inventors killed by their own inventions. That guy was
a real accidental bad dude. The lead crime hypothesis and
Glader bringing this up is a great case study in
how scientific thought can evolve because originally it was treated
as sort of an esoteric wing nut thing. But we
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can trace now, we can correlate geographic areas roughly to
lead exposure, and to be absolutely clear, there is no
such thing as an acceptable level of lead exposure. This
is as orwell would say, double plus a good any
amount no matter how minu scoole can have some degree
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of those neurological effects that Noel's talking about there.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, truly, Matt, how this hit you? I mean I
know that you you know you worked on Zodiac. It
just it has had to have kind of dinged a
little bell for you when you saw this.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Uh yeah, well it's very It's very interesting because there's
also this connection that's been made over and over again
with time in the military and when people get out
of the military after a certain amount of time and
then having some of these same traits, but aren't That
doesn't mean they become a serial killer. It's more linked
to the behavioral control mechanisms and how they can get yeah,
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in post control, how that can get altered just with
exposure to you know, specific circumstances that you find yourself in,
or to chemicals and stuff you're exposed to, and it
I don't know it. Yeah, I want to go down
a rabbit hole on this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is why we think this is an episode in
the future. There is there's a real difficult challenge in
measuring the effect of let exposure on rates of crime,
like how to square those stats. We have to also
be able to separate other things like nutrition, medical care,
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you know, the natural environment, the state of the schools.
It's tough, but it does appear now in twenty twenty
five that most experts agree there's something to it. There's
some sand stay away from lead if you can't for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And the last little exchange in this time piece, the
journalist points out that America's serial killer database counted six
hundred and sixty nine serial killers in the nineties. Three
hundred and seventy one of the two thousands and one
hundred and seventeen in the twenty tens. Where do you
think they're all going? And Fraser points out more awareness
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around like traumatic brain injuries and cognition degradation and cognition
and increased aggression, largely because of American football, which we've
talked about here on the podcast as well, but also
toxic chemicals being phased out. Of course, many of them
like lead specifically, which likely contributed the very least to
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a decline in crime rates. Cheerfers to it as the
largest plunge in recorded history. She says, I don't think
serial killers are going anywhere as much as we didn't
grow them to begin with.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Man, there's stuff in here about cadmium being a possible,
you know issue if you're it was somebody who was
working as a welder who what's his name, James Oliver
Huberty h U b E r t Y shot twenty
two people dead in McDonald's in California in nineteen eighty four.
He was riddled with cadmium from his work as a welder.
(13:59):
This is from The Guardian, talking specifically about murder Land
the book. It's like a book review, but was just
saying there's, you know, potentially a lot of other metals
that could be a potential issue when it comes to
exposure in the brain.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
No, we certainly know the whole mad as a hatter
trope that was a direct result of hat makers haberdashers
working with felt for hats that were treated with mercury
and caused even people you know, wearing them. So that'd
be an interesting stat to look into as well. We
know that these things can have a direct impact on
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people's cognition.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, and Kay, I'd also like to add here it's
going to be interesting to look at the possibility of
intergenerational effects. The idea being is it possible that lead
exposure in a parent couple can create some sort of
damaging effect in the child? How deep does this go?
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There's also again with serial killers or serial murderers, there's
always the question of whether the numbers are increasing, or
whether investigative investigative abilities are increasing. Are there more skeletons
in the closet, or do we have better flashlights? So
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that's something that also needs to be considered. But it's
it's very much a fascinating conversation, so much so that
Noel I went Noel k Matt I went ahead and
ordered I'm ordering a copy of murder Land right now.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It seems like a fascinating deep dive and apparently the
most comprehensive look into this particular set of factors.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Just a little light reading.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Why not, I'll check out the audiobook. Well, thanks, kay,
and we're gonna take a quick break here a word
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messages from you.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And we've returned. Guys, we've got three messages. We're gonna
jump straight in. This message comes to us from Easy
E and is based on our episode about the smell
of death. Here we go.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Hey, guys, it's easy and I'm a nurse. So many
nurses have a very keen sense of smell for obvious reasons.
A lot of nurses will say they can smell see this,
which is an infection of the intestine in your puckoo.
We can smell after and diabetic keosidosis. We can smell
if you drink so much food it's coming out near urine.
(16:39):
I've smelled death on a hospital bed days after a
patient died on it. I can differentiate bad breath and
both patients and anyone else, whether hey, just take a
sip of water, switch that around a little bit, or
have you not brushed your teeth in several bays or
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have you you? I can tell between if you've had
anesthesia by your breast or if you've smoked for a
million years. Of course, that one is easy. I can tell.
I can tell of a patient just like let out
a little too a little part, or if they actually
have some puckoo down there that I need to assist
(17:20):
them with. Sorry, this is skiddy gross. I can sell
a trickle of tea if your cather is leaking? Is
this the talent? Is it because of practice and exposure
maybe a little bit of both. I have always had
a keen sense of smell before I was a nurse.
Either way, it's not making me rich, and it's just
(17:43):
me me realize who in the grocery store might need
a change of their underpants. So anyway, thanks for talking
about the smell of death. Some of us smell at
more than others. Thanks bye, wow.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Wow, it's definitely now for your own heart. Matt with
the poop poo talk, she said it the way you
say it man a little.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is definitely a talent. And
I want to know from everybody else, do you guys
have any nurses in your life that maybe had a
keen sense of smell before going into the practice? Anybody
else out there? Are those two things linked? Do we know?
Do you guys have any nurses in your lives? I
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had a few friends who worked in ers, but they
weren't necessarily nurses, but they I know, one in particular,
had a ridiculous sense of smell, as in it's very good.
So I just wonder if that is a thing that
is linked, maybe even subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Are you asking me, like personally, if I know any nurses?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I was okay, Yeah, so the I know if you
actually contacted some while we were researching Smell of Death, ED,
it's an interesting question to pose, you know, are you
more likely to be talented in that profession because of
certain attributes or do you acclimate to them. You could
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make the argument that you're more exposed to certain smells
than the average person, such that you need to know
that and your brain needs to learn that. I think
that's a definite possibility. I also got to say thank
you to everybody working in nursing. Thank you to everybody
working in medical fields, because nurses are tremendously underpaid for
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all the work they have.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To do, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So I guess easy. That's awesome to know. Glad you
can sense all of those things, and also sorry that
you have to have that power, I guess, but also congratulations.
We're going to switch gears completely and jump to a
message from Flea, who we've heard from on this show before.
He had an interesting concept. I just want to see
what we all think about it. Here we go.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Hey, guys, this please from the Northwest. Against just have
a thought. Okay, you guys are talking about that the
UFO siding thing in Canada or whatever, that could be a.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Projection on some clouds and stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And it made me think like if there was a
big like fathershit or another like alien civilization, right and
they were looking at us from you know, Alpha Centauri
or whatever, what is it looking at Like, Oh, man,
check out that planet with all these crazy ass dinosaurs
on it, because they're so far away and they're like
looking back in time and then they dapt to get
here and they're like, oh, there's like a bunch of
(20:39):
treash are on this planet and a bunch of lights.
Now like what is this? And then they're like shooting
even further and they're like, Yo, what are all these lights?
These things moving around? These little tiny humans that are
like destroying everything. We need to look into this.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Oh snap, they have big bombs that explodes up and
they're violent. Okay, we need to bound out of here.
Just the funny about if you're like looking at a
planet from super far away, would you technically be looking
back in time and you'd like think you're gonna arrive
to some dinosaurs and you don't even know that there's
like a big ass cataclysm in between the time that
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you are getting to that planet.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Anyways, love what you guys do, Oefe Hofly, What a
great idea, what a great concept. I love this guys,
same jeez. Yeah, we've been talking about a lot, especially
with the James Webspace telescope out there. Humanity has been
talking a lot just about how how deep into time
(21:39):
we can see with that thing, because so much has
occurred between when we are able to observe light from
let's say even just the center of our galaxy and
then what it actually looks like right now in real time,
and the discrepancy between the real time deep space stuff
and what we can see. There's a lot to be
made of. And it's why something like that interstellar object
(22:03):
is so interesting, I think, to us, because what if
there is a probe being sent out to go check out? Okay,
what does it actually look like now? And if you
actually had a device getting to a star system, a
solar system, galaxy or whatever, you could have more real
time at least information. It just depends on how long
(22:25):
it takes that signal to get back. Which how could
a signal from a probe in a star system that's,
you know, thousands of light years away from your star system?
How could you get information back faster than light unless
there is something, some kind of quantum system of communication
that we just aren't aware of yet.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, Flee. I love this one because it is
something we've talked about and to a degree, you've been
obsessed about for some time. This is such a dumb
pop culture reference. I'm usually not great at these, but
my obsession with this began due to a film. I'm
very interested to see if anyone else remembers called Explorers
(23:08):
a nineteen eighty five science meets fantasy film for kids,
where these three kids, okay, explorers.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Is this a Disney thing?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I don't think it's Disney. Let me pull it up.
It's okay. So it's like these three kids who build
a bootleg spaceship to meet aliens because the aliens reached
out to them. Yeah, ethan hawk as well, I think
in their eighty five nineteen eighty fiveishness. Okay, they have.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
A navigator adjacent kind of air.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, yeah, good call. So part of the reason this
launched an obsession with space and time on my end
and hopefully for other people as well, is because spoiler
for a film from nineteen eighty five three to one spoiler.
When they do meet the aliens who helped give them
this technology, what they find is that the aliens are
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totally curious about Earth because they don't know modern civilization. Instead,
in this story, they're getting old movies that have been
transmitted and made it across space. So to them, you know,
the silver screen era is very much like peak current
civilization because the aliens they find are kids who don't
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understand this deep question about space and time, and I
think it must have motivated some physicists as well, because
there's some really good research coming out now flee these
propositions that perhaps we've had civilization has entirely misinterpreted the
role of space and time. So this goes in a
million directions. But oh man, if anybody saw explorers, please
(24:49):
write to us.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I'm not familiar with this at all. Directed by Joe
Dante of Gremlin's fame right after.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That, Oh, that explains a lot and.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Also apparently very clearly a response to the success of ET.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Oh yeah, it was in that. It was in that
era for sure, and I don't want to derail us there, Matt,
but I think it's I think it's a cool touchstone
in fiction for this idea of observing Earth from such
an unimaginable distance.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Oh yeah, it goes back to last week's Listener Mail
episode where Smells like Low Tide was talking about that
new uh, the new study that was looking at the
sky before satellites were invented, or at least human satellites
were invented, and this concept that maybe this planet has
been observed for a long time, because if you did
(25:42):
find a planet, let's say that had a bunch of
cool ass dinosaurs. I think that way. I can't. I
think that's how you put it. Flee roaming around like
you imagine you might visit Earth way earlier, or attempt
to get here a long, long time ago, because it
would be a viable planet that had life on it
of all different hines. Right, you chow up, hang out
(26:02):
for a while, and maybe observe, leave a couple of
things behind, and then watch as it progresses, and once
whatever creature gets stuff into the orbit, maybe take off
or at least change your position. It's making me think
about a lot of that. I think it's all going
back to this interstellar thing. Fascinating, fascinating. All right, well,
(26:23):
thank you so much, Flee. We got one more message
here from Calamity Chris, and then we will move on.
Calamity Chris has this to say already.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Matt Noel Ben and super producer Dylan the Rubig of
Dr King Sagan, they call me Calamity Chris. I am me.
I am somewhere that makes this telephonic response to stuff
they don't want you to know. Listener Mail edition Thursday
July seventeenth, twenty twenty five of The Stupid and Perfect
(26:51):
Calendar About forty two minutes into the episode, during the
right to food discussion, Ben engines almost getting arrested for
giving away bread while working at a bakery. Good for you, Ben,
food waste is tragic, senful. Even as y'all mentioned, grocery stores, restaurants,
(27:14):
food manufacturing facilities put locks on their dumpsters so people
can't retrieve the waste waste, possibly eat it, get sick,
maybe bring a lawsuit against them. I don't doubt that
this is true. However, I think it's even more insidious.
(27:34):
I think they're looking after their bottom line god money.
A lot of places throw away perfectly good food, not
just expired stuff. I know for my numerous jobs and restaurants,
but particularly my job is managing pizza places. Lots of good, clean,
edible food, fresh food would be thrown away to keep
(27:55):
the price of the pizzas high. My boss used to
tell me, if you don't throw away the old food,
don't throw the old food away and lock it up
after pizza buffet, then all the gutter punks are just
gonna come by and I'm sure for free pizza, And
then how am I supposed to make a living? That
was his line. Yeah, both excuse the language there. I
(28:18):
find this line of thinking sickening. It's very unclean. I
completely ignored what he said. After every single buffet, I
would collect everything that was left and bring it out
to the folks thing and outside around the pizza place
or underneath the underpass that was near us, and give
it to the people there because they're hungry. Dude, they're hungry.
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My boss ever found out, he probably would have fired me,
but at least I would have gone down fighting a
good fight. So all right, my brothers, that's all for now,
peace and much love. Y'all can use anything I said
in any way, shape or form on air. You can
paraphrase it, you can use name Calamity Chris, whatever you
(29:02):
want to do. Much love, audience.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Pizza parties, oh for sure, pizza parties. How cool is that?
Just the idea that we there was a good guy
out there giving pizza away and nobody had to know
about it, just making it happen. Thank you, Calamity Chris.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Good, Thank you Calamity Chris. As well, it's no secret
that I all of us feel very strongly about the
rights of food and honestly, without trying to sound too
biased and not to speak for everybody, but I think
it's fair to say that all of us are probably
(29:41):
on the same page with you regarding the motivations involved.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yes, sir, all right, well that's it. Thank you everybody
who called in. There's so many of you, but specifically
Easy e, Calamity, Chris and Flee. Thanks for calling in.
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Dylan for going cinematic.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Where do you meet someone from outer space? Perhaps in
the north Woods? Joe Simonson of Eagle River, Wisconsin, spends
a yarn about an April morning in nineteen sixty one,
a morning when he says he came face to face
with another world.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And eight pancakes. What are we talking about. Let's go
straight to Steve from Ohio to learn more. Steve, you said,
hello stuff they don't want you to know, Crue. I've
encountered a story I'd never heard before. In nineteen sixty one, Aliens,
the guy from outer space gave a guy three pancakes
in exchange for a jug of water. I'm not creative
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enough to come up with that kind of story. I
don't know. Steve from Ohio, I've got on board. You
may be selling yourself short anyway, Steve, you continue, There
are even photographs of the pancakes. I'd love to hear
your take on this story. Keep peering into the darkness,
Steve from Ohio. And we love these types of emails.
(31:08):
Straight to the point. What I just played there, guys,
was an excerpt from a Wisconsin report on what is
called the nineteen sixty one Eagle River incident. Have any
of us heard about this before? Steve reached out, Not once, Nope,
the same same, This is okay. So the idea is
(31:32):
that extra terrestrials, perhaps informed by dinosaurs or by the
nineteen eighty five Banger explorers had which had occurred. Yet
never bind. We'll keep it. Aliens game to Wisconsin in
nineteen sixty one, and they ran into Wisconsin native Joe
(31:54):
Simon ten. It's really outlandish. So we'll give us the
street poop and then we'll talk about it real quick.
So it's eleven am local time. It's April eighteenth, right,
nineteen sixty one. Joe is having, you know, a leisurely
brunch and then he hears a commotion outside. I want
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to play the whole clip from this report because I
love it and I think we all love that background
music too. So per his account, he thinks, you know,
what's all this going on out here? And so he
gets up and he says he witnesses a flying saucer,
a physical object from beyond the stars, and it's brighter
(32:38):
than chrome. It's hovering above his house. It eventually lands
in his backyard and he walks up because he wants
to learn more. You guys got to hear the way
that he describes it, because he seems very unperturbed. It
seems like a classic Wisconsin reaction or Midwest kind of
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react to this stuff. It's like, well, I won't see
what's going on. And when he reaches the craft, which
is landed, he sees three mute aliens, which he describes
as Italian looking, oh right, and he but he doesn't
do it as a diss what was the door it?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Again from earlier, spread said Toura, it's very cool.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
He thinks they're cool, and their emotion he's like you
can hear him report in his own words again, he
says they look like they were eating something. So I
figured i'd start talking to him, and I made a
motion with my hands like can I eat as well,
and they gave him a large container, and through apparently
(33:49):
some system of improvised gestures, Joe decided that these aliens
wanted water. So he goes and he fills up the jug,
and at this point is starting to sound like some
kind of weird parable or folk tale. He comes back
with the filled jug and he says he sees one
(34:10):
of the aliens is cooking pancakes, is making pancakes on
some something that's like a flat riddle kind of thing,
something without an open flame. And again, per his story,
the creatures give Joe I think, three of the pancakes
and then they salute him and the craft you know,
(34:34):
elevates and they embark out due south into the sky,
into orbit, into space beyond with their jug of water.
This story was investigated by the US Air Force, of
course it was. You can look as if you go
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to website, like if you just go to your browser
of choice and check outnineteen sixty one Eagle River incident,
you can actually see a photo of Joe holding one
of these alleged alien pancakes.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, I bet space pancakes are really fluffy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It does not look fluffy at all. That dry and
it looks.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Kind of like a dried lotus roots. What are those
people who has that fear of holes? Don't look at
that picture?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
How how do you even decide that that's a pancake
or that it's edible in any way? And guys, would
you put it in your mouth?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
If for that's how you decide? That's the only way.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
What's that old joke you run into a pile of
round and then you see someone turn around and go, oh,
it's okay, guys, it's chocolate. It just raises a lot
of pleasures.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Roll the dice, buddy, What do you have to lose
besides the plot of every negative alien movie that's ever
come out?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
What is life if Doctor V lived?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, well, what's let's put ourselves in the position of
those aliens?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Right the Italians?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, we really really really need some water because we're
making some gabbahool on our spaceship.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Is water a key ingredient and making up?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know, I don't know. We gotta we gotta
cook some pasta and we need some water?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
But really, like, okay, let's say it's it's absolutely true
and real. There are three aliens from some other place
on us on some kind of ship and they need water.
Do you go to somebody on the planet and say, hey,
you don't say anything, you telepathically let them know you
need water, or do you just go find some water?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah? Exactly Why would you violate, maybe violate the prime
directive by engaging, you know, shout out to our fellow
star trek fans. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
There there are a lot of questions about this story,
put diplomatically Steve from Ohio. But I don't know about you, guys.
I'm fascinated by it, primarily because of the video clip
where we can see Joe himself describing it. He did
try one of the pancakes of the three they gave him,
and his review wasn't super great. These were not Michelin'
(37:21):
bib pancakes. These tasted like cardboard. He gave the other
two cakes to a ufologist from Vilas County, and we
don't know what happened to the other two pancakes.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Did they have any space syrup?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Right? You know what I mean? Just serving up dry
pancakes not a good look.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, not the mark of an advanced civilization.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Let's just I don't think they had different priorities and
also did they pick Joe on purpose or were they
just were they just going with the flow like country Mac.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, so i'm looking at well, let's take a minute
to look at Eagle River on the map here. Yep,
if you're looking at Wisconsin, it's kind of in north
central Wisconsin, surrounded by the Great Lakes. There's plenty of
water to go around pretty close to this area. It's
actually pretty far.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
But if you're in a spaceship, come on, well, also
think of it this way. What if you're just trying
to surreptitiously stop somewhere and you don't know the neighborhood,
and then this guy comes up and he's just making
weird hand signs at you, and you want to be cool.
You don't want this to be a horrible situation. So
you're like, I don't know, give him give him something,
(38:39):
you know, like the way we did on these other planets.
Just give him an object of affection. They're like, oh, okay,
give him the jug, jug, the empty jug. Just give
him the jug. I don't know, we don't know. What
if he's dangerous, they give him the jug and they're like,
that was great, Okay, let's chill out that got real tense,
and then all of a sudden low and behold this
(39:00):
crazy monkey primate thing is barreling back at you and
it's got the jug and now let's put some in there.
And you're like, oh great, now what now I'm in
a situationship.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
With some poopoo or just stuff. What do we got?
It's like, all I'm saying is I wouldn't be thrown
around weird hand signals in my neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's almost it's it's a weird thing to do. It's
I don't know. It's kind of like how I figured
out it hurts people's feelings in traffic more if you
give them a thumbs down instead of the finger.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Oh that's a really good move, Ben that you're just
I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, I'm not angry. I'm not surprised. And you can
do better. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We all can.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
We all can. And that's maybe what what Joe is thinking.
But in his story, per his account, he's being a
helpful person and he I don't know. I like this
alternate made up theory about the aliens freaking out meeting
a local and then just because I've been in. I've
(40:06):
been in situations. I don't know if you guys have.
I've been plenty of awkward social situations across cultures.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I haven't heard you get into situations, man, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I mean not always bad ones, but situations for sure.
But the thing where you know, you're like Homer Simpson
walking backwards into the bushes. So maybe the aliens didn't
know what to do except salute the guy in skidaddle
before he came back with something else, you know, if
the story ever happened. The interesting thing here is that
(40:39):
if you look at the USAF investigation in their files,
this incident is listed as unexplained, which could mean any
number of things.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I just keep looking at the pancakes.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They don't look great.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
They look burned or Chris be like the kind of
thing you might see in an muse boosh or a
dessert at a fancy restaurant.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
They just like, we have so much here, you say,
amuse boosh.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
In this context, that's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Like stick a little cracker in the thing so you
can charge more for the sorbet.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We have them scorched earth pancakes, yes, scorched earth pancakes.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Poifect have you guys ever had like high protein pancakes before?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Not great, A little heavy I have, I'm not I'm
not a fan of the pan and the cake in general.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
A crape, how do you feel about a crap?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Crapes are lighter, Yeah, for sure, you can put more
stuff with them.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm imagining, guys, if you are in a spaceship. We've
seen it depicted many many times over, there's some kind
of goofy liquid that has all the protein and nutrients
that you need for on a you know, a long
space trip or something. I can imagine that if you
were in one of those situations, you might have a
(41:57):
little griddle of some sort that, you know, a smokeless fire, airless,
and you could put your glube on it and make something.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Pancake batter and space that's gonna gum up the instruments.
That's gonna be a nightmare situation.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
At that place too. We'd have to ask why there
would not be food that doesn't require that extra step
of eating.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
We have actually ice cream pancakes.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
The only explanation would be perhaps they need the heat
to make a chemical change of some sort for nutrition.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
What if it's a heating something up on the radiator
situation radiator. Of course this stuff is horrible, but if
we put it on here, it's okay. It tastes a
little bit like cardboard, but it's okay.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Now that's prison rules, Matt. That's not spaceship rules, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
That's Charlie Day's stuff, which I have absolutely practiced and support.
Make a little toilet wine while you're at it, Why
not only the finest? I would love to read Michelin
reviews of that kind of stuff. I got back into
reading about Michelin. It's just so weird that a tire
company runs the fancy.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
It's just another example of being first to market with
a thing.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
You know. I guess so, I guess so? Uh Off air,
I'm going to tell you guys about a really great
idea I had. In fact, I think it worked so
much that we're not going to talk about it on air.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Dude, it's serious. I wouldn't even tell us about it.
We got notoriously big mouths. No, I'm kidding. Please please
do tell. I gotta know, I gotta don't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I'll find yourself bad. So we do know. One other
interesting point here, is Steve from Ohio, is that we know.
Shortly after this incident, there were a couple more sightings
alleged sightings that occurred in the general area. You can
learn more by checking out a book by the author J.
(43:47):
Wrath R. A. T. H. Called The w Files True
Reports What Explaining Phenomena in Wisconsin. We have not read
the book.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Sounds awesome?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Does sound awesome? I like it? Called it w Files.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh, and just I think this is appropriate for this
and the last story. I just wanted to mention a
Netflix series that maybe has flown under the radar for
some folks. It is an Argentinian alien invasion show based
on a graphic novel called The Eternat and it's really
really good and it is about like non benevolent alien invaders,
and it sort of has like a pandemic aspect to
(44:22):
it as well. And I'm really really enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
What's the name again.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
The Eternat E T E R N A U T.
And there's a whole season on Netflix and it did
get renewed for a second and it's it's really cool
and it is based on a graphic novel.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Guys, I founded an Italian restaurant in the center of
Eagle River called borde Lotti's Sinson and it is fine
Italian dining and it's pretty expensive. What if what if
you guys it was connected to Bordellotti's.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
It's in the middle of a river.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
It's Eagle River, the place where the sky got them
the people.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Referring to the actual Eagle River. And it's like on
a little island or something like like what is it
the menu? You know they have that like little weird
Take the boat. That movie is good.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
I liked it. We also know you can always tell
what we get out of food. Take folks that we
are approaching lunchtime as a crew. This happens on pretty
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
About you, but pretty much every show I did, true
or We've got a bit of a marathon sessh today,
So I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Oh yeah, yeah we uh so we're going to with
great thanks to you, Steve from Ohio or the case.
I want to keep looking into this.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
I will say that a great a great way to
learn more about these kinds of reports is to delve
into psychology. When you can look at the work of
our colleague Toby Ball, who has some excellent deep dives
on these phenomena these sightings, and then also look at
the folkloric aspect that I teased earlier, because a lot
(45:58):
of stories about UFO and count are beat for beat,
including the exchange of food and drink. They're beat for
beat stories from older ages of fairies and changelings.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Or Rudebega for rudebega if you're nasty, mm yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Badger for badger, put it in the bag. We are
going to call it an evening for now. We want
to thank everybody who wrote in with recommendations of sleeper
hit fast food places that we can't quite get to today.
Thank you for everybody who wrote in answering some questions
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We also have so many more wonders to show you
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Apologies if you've already covered this, we haven't, but it's
a subject near and dear to all of us. However,
I just listened to an episode of The Guardians Today
(03:22):
in Focus podcast which interviewed Caroline Fraser. I hadn't heard
of her before, but she's a Pulitzerprise winning journalist who
has a very interesting theory about lead as in PB
on the periodic table and male violence. She's just published
a book called murder Land, which explores how lead poisoning
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may be behind the volume of serial killers in the
nineteen seventies and eighties in the Pacific Northwest of the
United States. Very simply put, many serial killers such as
Ted Bundy lived in areas where there was a high
level of industrial lead waste. Crucially, they lived in these
areas as children. It's thought this exposure may have affected
(04:04):
their brain development and contributed to the sheer number of
serial killers during this period. There's an Interesting Times article
interview here if you want to learn more. Keep up
the entertaining k My goodness, kay, I think this uh really,
you know, checked a box for all three of us.
(04:25):
As we've you know, obviously in this podcast alone, we
talk about these sorts of true crime serial killer stories. Often.
We've all independently and as a group, worked on various
true crime stories, many of which are based in the
mid the Pacific Northwest. Worked on a show called The
Happy Face or Happy Face, as did Ben, which was
(04:45):
about a notorious serial killer from Washington State. And then
some of the biggest names in serial killing, if that's
a thing, have hailed from this.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Region in Zodiac Zodiac San Francis, San Francisco Bay Area and.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Murder in Oregon as well, the Murder.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
In Oregon as well, a lot of the hits. And
it is absolutely an interesting point that I hadn't considered
in this respect. But we had definitely considered on this
show and on Ridiculous History in terms of this notion.
A recent study I think as well, about how lead
content perhaps increased the decline of Roman civilization, or at
(05:29):
least their influence on the rest of the world, because
of all of the lead that they were consuming, the
lead that they were being, you know, contaminated by. In
this idea of a cognitive decline, you know, of an
entire civilization over time. So this absolutely tracks in so
many ways, and you're absolutely right, Kay. The article why
(05:52):
do so many serial killers come from the Pacific Northwest?
A new book offers a theory by Rosemary counter Uh
In Time is a really great read, and I will
read a couple of quotes from the interview with the author,
Caroline Fraser. She was just seven years old and lived
only miles away during Ted Bundy's nineteen seventy four killing spree,
(06:17):
and she had this to say. The question here, coming
from the reporter the Zodiac killer John Wayne Gacy, Gary Ridgeway,
Jeffrey Dahmer, son of Sam Richard Ramirez, that it feels
like suddenly serial killers were everywhere. Caroline says, certainly by
the time of Ramirez in the mid eighties, people were thinking,
what the hell is going on here? It makes me
think of that expression people for around there must have
(06:39):
been something in the water. Well, it's striking to me
now that nobody was asking why, nobody was looking at
the larger pattern and asking are there more killers than before?
Is there something about the Pacific Northwest? The FBI was
presenting themselves as the experts, but they weren't explaining anything
about the phenomenon. Serial killers have always been with us
(07:01):
in some fashion, but certainly not in these numbers. And
then she goes on to get asked about this lead
crime hypothesis, which posits, according to the reporter, a direct
correlation between crime and lead, or as you put it,
speaking to Caroline, more lead, more murder. What's the connection,
(07:22):
they ask? Caroline says this, and then we'll just send
it to the group, because I think we're all itching
to talk about this. During the post war period, an
enormous amount of lead was in the air from mainly
two sources, leaded gas which everybody used for decades, and
heavy industry like smelting. People are still debating the numbers,
but it is pretty well accepted now. That between twenty
(07:44):
and fifty percent of the sharp rising crime in the
nineteen eighties and nineties is attributed to lead. We know
lead causes aggression. We know lead damages the brain in
developing children. I don't think anybody thinks lead isn't at
least a factor anymore, as there's a clear association between
the withdrawal of leaded gas in the nineties and the
drop off of crime in the fifties and sixties. Geochemist
(08:06):
Claire Patterson proved that lead exposure had caused what he
called a loss of mental acuity. But the effects of
lead are all over the map. Besides intelligence, it can
affect personality. Many studies connect lead exposure to a particular
kind of frontal cortex damage that leads to heightened aggression.
This is observed largely in males. The higher the lead exposure,
(08:29):
the greater the brain volume mass and reduced brain volume
has been linked to higher levels of psychopathy and last thing,
specifically in the Pacific Northwest, there were some particularly nasty
sites smelting sites, and the way they disposed of their
waste was also particularly nasty.
Speaker 6 (08:53):
Well.
Speaker 2 (08:53):
It's interesting that it was smoke stacks, often where You've
just got twenty five pounds of lead dust and five
hundred and eighty one pounds of arsenic, essentially dust just
pumping into the air every hour in one place. And
that's just one of the places that's smelting. And you
just imagined the whole area being covered in that stuff
that gets on everything.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
Yeah. They specifically talk about a SARCO in Tacoma, Washington,
which regularly released these clouds of lead and arsenic that
became white, ash, killed pets, eroded paint off of cars,
and the air literally became so poisoned that it was
the color of lead. And they referred to it as
the aroma of Tacoma.
Speaker 3 (09:35):
Oh, I like it.
Speaker 4 (09:36):
Rhyme, what is a SARCO hill It's say smelting operation.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Okay, okay. This also reminds us of one of the
most infamous inventors in history, one of the worst cases
of an accidental bad guy, Thomas Midgley Junior. He's the
guy who invented, essentially invented popularized leaded gasoline. The right Yeah,
(10:01):
the lead crime hypk. Please read up on Midgley if
you are having an afternoon that feels too pleasant.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
We saw said on him on ridiculous history as well,
or we lumped him in with I think a was
it inventors killed by their no inventors, Yes, stuff by accident.
That sucks basically right.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Yeah, inventors killed by their own inventions. That guy was
a real accidental bad dude. The lead crime hypothesis and
Glader bringing this up is a great case study in
how scientific thought can evolve because originally it was treated
as sort of an esoteric wing nut thing. But we
(10:41):
can trace now, we can correlate geographic areas roughly to
lead exposure, and to be absolutely clear, there is no
such thing as an acceptable level of lead exposure. This
is as orwell would say, double plus a good any
amount no matter how minu scoole can have some degree
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of those neurological effects that Noel's talking about there.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Okay, truly, Matt, how this hit you? I mean I
know that you you know you worked on Zodiac. It
just it has had to have kind of dinged a
little bell for you when you saw this.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Uh yeah, well it's very It's very interesting because there's
also this connection that's been made over and over again
with time in the military and when people get out
of the military after a certain amount of time and
then having some of these same traits, but aren't That
doesn't mean they become a serial killer. It's more linked
to the behavioral control mechanisms and how they can get yeah,
(11:43):
in post control, how that can get altered just with
exposure to you know, specific circumstances that you find yourself in,
or to chemicals and stuff you're exposed to, and it
I don't know it. Yeah, I want to go down
a rabbit hole on this.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
This is why we think this is an episode in
the future. There is there's a real difficult challenge in
measuring the effect of let exposure on rates of crime,
like how to square those stats. We have to also
be able to separate other things like nutrition, medical care,
(12:22):
you know, the natural environment, the state of the schools.
It's tough, but it does appear now in twenty twenty
five that most experts agree there's something to it. There's
some sand stay away from lead if you can't for sure.
Speaker 4 (12:41):
And the last little exchange in this time piece, the
journalist points out that America's serial killer database counted six
hundred and sixty nine serial killers in the nineties. Three
hundred and seventy one of the two thousands and one
hundred and seventeen in the twenty tens. Where do you
think they're all going? And Fraser points out more awareness
(13:02):
around like traumatic brain injuries and cognition degradation and cognition
and increased aggression, largely because of American football, which we've
talked about here on the podcast as well, but also
toxic chemicals being phased out. Of course, many of them
like lead specifically, which likely contributed the very least to
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a decline in crime rates. Cheerfers to it as the
largest plunge in recorded history. She says, I don't think
serial killers are going anywhere as much as we didn't
grow them to begin with.
Speaker 2 (13:38):
Man, there's stuff in here about cadmium being a possible,
you know issue if you're it was somebody who was
working as a welder who what's his name, James Oliver
Huberty h U b E r t Y shot twenty
two people dead in McDonald's in California in nineteen eighty four.
He was riddled with cadmium from his work as a welder.
(13:59):
This is from The Guardian, talking specifically about murder Land
the book. It's like a book review, but was just
saying there's, you know, potentially a lot of other metals
that could be a potential issue when it comes to
exposure in the brain.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
No, we certainly know the whole mad as a hatter
trope that was a direct result of hat makers haberdashers
working with felt for hats that were treated with mercury
and caused even people you know, wearing them. So that'd
be an interesting stat to look into as well. We
know that these things can have a direct impact on
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people's cognition.
Speaker 3 (14:38):
Yeah, and Kay, I'd also like to add here it's
going to be interesting to look at the possibility of
intergenerational effects. The idea being is it possible that lead
exposure in a parent couple can create some sort of
damaging effect in the child? How deep does this go?
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There's also again with serial killers or serial murderers, there's
always the question of whether the numbers are increasing, or
whether investigative investigative abilities are increasing. Are there more skeletons
in the closet, or do we have better flashlights? So
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that's something that also needs to be considered. But it's
it's very much a fascinating conversation, so much so that
Noel I went Noel k Matt I went ahead and
ordered I'm ordering a copy of murder Land right now.
Speaker 4 (15:38):
It seems like a fascinating deep dive and apparently the
most comprehensive look into this particular set of factors.
Speaker 3 (15:47):
Just a little light reading.
Speaker 4 (15:48):
Why not, I'll check out the audiobook. Well, thanks, kay,
and we're gonna take a quick break here a word
from our sponsor, and then return to you with more
messages from you.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
And we've returned. Guys, we've got three messages. We're gonna
jump straight in. This message comes to us from Easy
E and is based on our episode about the smell
of death. Here we go.
Speaker 7 (16:16):
Hey, guys, it's easy and I'm a nurse. So many
nurses have a very keen sense of smell for obvious reasons.
A lot of nurses will say they can smell see this,
which is an infection of the intestine in your puckoo.
We can smell after and diabetic keosidosis. We can smell
if you drink so much food it's coming out near urine.
(16:39):
I've smelled death on a hospital bed days after a
patient died on it. I can differentiate bad breath and
both patients and anyone else, whether hey, just take a
sip of water, switch that around a little bit, or
have you not brushed your teeth in several bays or
(16:59):
have you you? I can tell between if you've had
anesthesia by your breast or if you've smoked for a
million years. Of course, that one is easy. I can tell.
I can tell of a patient just like let out
a little too a little part, or if they actually
have some puckoo down there that I need to assist
(17:20):
them with. Sorry, this is skiddy gross. I can sell
a trickle of tea if your cather is leaking? Is
this the talent? Is it because of practice and exposure
maybe a little bit of both. I have always had
a keen sense of smell before I was a nurse.
Either way, it's not making me rich, and it's just
(17:43):
me me realize who in the grocery store might need
a change of their underpants. So anyway, thanks for talking
about the smell of death. Some of us smell at
more than others. Thanks bye, wow.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Wow, it's definitely now for your own heart. Matt with
the poop poo talk, she said it the way you
say it man a little.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, yeah, I think it is definitely a talent. And
I want to know from everybody else, do you guys
have any nurses in your life that maybe had a
keen sense of smell before going into the practice? Anybody
else out there? Are those two things linked? Do we know?
Do you guys have any nurses in your lives? I
(18:32):
had a few friends who worked in ers, but they
weren't necessarily nurses, but they I know, one in particular,
had a ridiculous sense of smell, as in it's very good.
So I just wonder if that is a thing that
is linked, maybe even subconsciously.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Are you asking me, like personally, if I know any nurses?
Speaker 6 (18:53):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (18:53):
I was okay, Yeah, so the I know if you
actually contacted some while we were researching Smell of Death, ED,
it's an interesting question to pose, you know, are you
more likely to be talented in that profession because of
certain attributes or do you acclimate to them. You could
(19:15):
make the argument that you're more exposed to certain smells
than the average person, such that you need to know
that and your brain needs to learn that. I think
that's a definite possibility. I also got to say thank
you to everybody working in nursing. Thank you to everybody
working in medical fields, because nurses are tremendously underpaid for
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all the work they have.
Speaker 2 (19:40):
To do, absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 6 (19:45):
Well.
Speaker 2 (19:45):
So I guess easy. That's awesome to know. Glad you
can sense all of those things, and also sorry that
you have to have that power, I guess, but also congratulations.
We're going to switch gears completely and jump to a
message from Flea, who we've heard from on this show before.
He had an interesting concept. I just want to see
what we all think about it. Here we go.
Speaker 5 (20:05):
Hey, guys, this please from the Northwest. Against just have
a thought. Okay, you guys are talking about that the
UFO siding thing in Canada or whatever, that could be a.
Speaker 8 (20:14):
Projection on some clouds and stuff.
Speaker 5 (20:17):
And it made me think like if there was a
big like fathershit or another like alien civilization, right and
they were looking at us from you know, Alpha Centauri
or whatever, what is it looking at Like, Oh, man,
check out that planet with all these crazy ass dinosaurs
on it, because they're so far away and they're like
looking back in time and then they dapt to get
here and they're like, oh, there's like a bunch of
(20:39):
treash are on this planet and a bunch of lights.
Now like what is this? And then they're like shooting
even further and they're like, Yo, what are all these lights?
These things moving around? These little tiny humans that are
like destroying everything. We need to look into this.
Speaker 8 (20:52):
Oh snap, they have big bombs that explodes up and
they're violent. Okay, we need to bound out of here.
Just the funny about if you're like looking at a
planet from super far away, would you technically be looking
back in time and you'd like think you're gonna arrive
to some dinosaurs and you don't even know that there's
like a big ass cataclysm in between the time that
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you are getting to that planet.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Anyways, love what you guys do, Oefe Hofly, What a
great idea, what a great concept. I love this guys,
same jeez. Yeah, we've been talking about a lot, especially
with the James Webspace telescope out there. Humanity has been
talking a lot just about how how deep into time
(21:39):
we can see with that thing, because so much has
occurred between when we are able to observe light from
let's say even just the center of our galaxy and
then what it actually looks like right now in real time,
and the discrepancy between the real time deep space stuff
and what we can see. There's a lot to be
made of. And it's why something like that interstellar object
(22:03):
is so interesting, I think, to us, because what if
there is a probe being sent out to go check out? Okay,
what does it actually look like now? And if you
actually had a device getting to a star system, a
solar system, galaxy or whatever, you could have more real
time at least information. It just depends on how long
(22:25):
it takes that signal to get back. Which how could
a signal from a probe in a star system that's,
you know, thousands of light years away from your star system?
How could you get information back faster than light unless
there is something, some kind of quantum system of communication
that we just aren't aware of yet.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Yeah, yeah, Flee. I love this one because it is
something we've talked about and to a degree, you've been
obsessed about for some time. This is such a dumb
pop culture reference. I'm usually not great at these, but
my obsession with this began due to a film. I'm
very interested to see if anyone else remembers called Explorers
(23:08):
a nineteen eighty five science meets fantasy film for kids,
where these three kids, okay, explorers.
Speaker 4 (23:16):
Is this a Disney thing?
Speaker 3 (23:18):
I don't think it's Disney. Let me pull it up.
It's okay. So it's like these three kids who build
a bootleg spaceship to meet aliens because the aliens reached
out to them. Yeah, ethan hawk as well, I think
in their eighty five nineteen eighty fiveishness. Okay, they have.
Speaker 4 (23:37):
A navigator adjacent kind of air.
Speaker 3 (23:39):
Yeah, yeah, good call. So part of the reason this
launched an obsession with space and time on my end
and hopefully for other people as well, is because spoiler
for a film from nineteen eighty five three to one spoiler.
When they do meet the aliens who helped give them
this technology, what they find is that the aliens are
(24:03):
totally curious about Earth because they don't know modern civilization. Instead,
in this story, they're getting old movies that have been
transmitted and made it across space. So to them, you know,
the silver screen era is very much like peak current
civilization because the aliens they find are kids who don't
(24:26):
understand this deep question about space and time, and I
think it must have motivated some physicists as well, because
there's some really good research coming out now flee these
propositions that perhaps we've had civilization has entirely misinterpreted the
role of space and time. So this goes in a
million directions. But oh man, if anybody saw explorers, please
(24:49):
write to us.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
I'm not familiar with this at all. Directed by Joe
Dante of Gremlin's fame right after.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
That, Oh, that explains a lot and.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Also apparently very clearly a response to the success of ET.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
Oh yeah, it was in that. It was in that
era for sure, and I don't want to derail us there, Matt,
but I think it's I think it's a cool touchstone
in fiction for this idea of observing Earth from such
an unimaginable distance.
Speaker 2 (25:21):
Oh yeah, it goes back to last week's Listener Mail
episode where Smells like Low Tide was talking about that
new uh, the new study that was looking at the
sky before satellites were invented, or at least human satellites
were invented, and this concept that maybe this planet has
been observed for a long time, because if you did
(25:42):
find a planet, let's say that had a bunch of
cool ass dinosaurs. I think that way. I can't. I
think that's how you put it. Flee roaming around like
you imagine you might visit Earth way earlier, or attempt
to get here a long, long time ago, because it
would be a viable planet that had life on it
of all different hines. Right, you chow up, hang out
(26:02):
for a while, and maybe observe, leave a couple of
things behind, and then watch as it progresses, and once
whatever creature gets stuff into the orbit, maybe take off
or at least change your position. It's making me think
about a lot of that. I think it's all going
back to this interstellar thing. Fascinating, fascinating. All right, well,
(26:23):
thank you so much, Flee. We got one more message
here from Calamity Chris, and then we will move on.
Calamity Chris has this to say already.
Speaker 6 (26:30):
Matt Noel Ben and super producer Dylan the Rubig of
Dr King Sagan, they call me Calamity Chris. I am me.
I am somewhere that makes this telephonic response to stuff
they don't want you to know. Listener Mail edition Thursday
July seventeenth, twenty twenty five of The Stupid and Perfect
(26:51):
Calendar About forty two minutes into the episode, during the
right to food discussion, Ben engines almost getting arrested for
giving away bread while working at a bakery. Good for you, Ben,
food waste is tragic, senful. Even as y'all mentioned, grocery stores, restaurants,
(27:14):
food manufacturing facilities put locks on their dumpsters so people
can't retrieve the waste waste, possibly eat it, get sick,
maybe bring a lawsuit against them. I don't doubt that
this is true. However, I think it's even more insidious.
(27:34):
I think they're looking after their bottom line god money.
A lot of places throw away perfectly good food, not
just expired stuff. I know for my numerous jobs and restaurants,
but particularly my job is managing pizza places. Lots of good, clean,
edible food, fresh food would be thrown away to keep
(27:55):
the price of the pizzas high. My boss used to
tell me, if you don't throw away the old food,
don't throw the old food away and lock it up
after pizza buffet, then all the gutter punks are just
gonna come by and I'm sure for free pizza, And
then how am I supposed to make a living? That
was his line. Yeah, both excuse the language there. I
(28:18):
find this line of thinking sickening. It's very unclean. I
completely ignored what he said. After every single buffet, I
would collect everything that was left and bring it out
to the folks thing and outside around the pizza place
or underneath the underpass that was near us, and give
it to the people there because they're hungry. Dude, they're hungry.
(28:40):
My boss ever found out, he probably would have fired me,
but at least I would have gone down fighting a
good fight. So all right, my brothers, that's all for now,
peace and much love. Y'all can use anything I said
in any way, shape or form on air. You can
paraphrase it, you can use name Calamity Chris, whatever you
(29:02):
want to do. Much love, audience.
Speaker 2 (29:07):
Pizza parties, oh for sure, pizza parties. How cool is that?
Just the idea that we there was a good guy
out there giving pizza away and nobody had to know
about it, just making it happen. Thank you, Calamity Chris.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Good, Thank you Calamity Chris. As well, it's no secret
that I all of us feel very strongly about the
rights of food and honestly, without trying to sound too
biased and not to speak for everybody, but I think
it's fair to say that all of us are probably
(29:41):
on the same page with you regarding the motivations involved.
Speaker 2 (29:46):
Yes, sir, all right, well that's it. Thank you everybody
who called in. There's so many of you, but specifically
Easy e, Calamity, Chris and Flee. Thanks for calling in.
We'll be right back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
Dylan for going cinematic.
Speaker 9 (30:08):
Where do you meet someone from outer space? Perhaps in
the north Woods? Joe Simonson of Eagle River, Wisconsin, spends
a yarn about an April morning in nineteen sixty one,
a morning when he says he came face to face
with another world.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
And eight pancakes. What are we talking about. Let's go
straight to Steve from Ohio to learn more. Steve, you said,
hello stuff they don't want you to know, Crue. I've
encountered a story I'd never heard before. In nineteen sixty one, Aliens,
the guy from outer space gave a guy three pancakes
in exchange for a jug of water. I'm not creative
(30:46):
enough to come up with that kind of story. I
don't know. Steve from Ohio, I've got on board. You
may be selling yourself short anyway, Steve, you continue, There
are even photographs of the pancakes. I'd love to hear
your take on this story. Keep peering into the darkness,
Steve from Ohio. And we love these types of emails.
(31:08):
Straight to the point. What I just played there, guys,
was an excerpt from a Wisconsin report on what is
called the nineteen sixty one Eagle River incident. Have any
of us heard about this before? Steve reached out, Not once, Nope,
the same same, This is okay. So the idea is
(31:32):
that extra terrestrials, perhaps informed by dinosaurs or by the
nineteen eighty five Banger explorers had which had occurred. Yet
never bind. We'll keep it. Aliens game to Wisconsin in
nineteen sixty one, and they ran into Wisconsin native Joe
(31:54):
Simon ten. It's really outlandish. So we'll give us the
street poop and then we'll talk about it real quick.
So it's eleven am local time. It's April eighteenth, right,
nineteen sixty one. Joe is having, you know, a leisurely
brunch and then he hears a commotion outside. I want
(32:15):
to play the whole clip from this report because I
love it and I think we all love that background
music too. So per his account, he thinks, you know,
what's all this going on out here? And so he
gets up and he says he witnesses a flying saucer,
a physical object from beyond the stars, and it's brighter
(32:38):
than chrome. It's hovering above his house. It eventually lands
in his backyard and he walks up because he wants
to learn more. You guys got to hear the way
that he describes it, because he seems very unperturbed. It
seems like a classic Wisconsin reaction or Midwest kind of
(32:59):
react to this stuff. It's like, well, I won't see
what's going on. And when he reaches the craft, which
is landed, he sees three mute aliens, which he describes
as Italian looking, oh right, and he but he doesn't
do it as a diss what was the door it?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
Again from earlier, spread said Toura, it's very cool.
Speaker 3 (33:25):
He thinks they're cool, and their emotion he's like you
can hear him report in his own words again, he
says they look like they were eating something. So I
figured i'd start talking to him, and I made a
motion with my hands like can I eat as well,
and they gave him a large container, and through apparently
(33:49):
some system of improvised gestures, Joe decided that these aliens
wanted water. So he goes and he fills up the jug,
and at this point is starting to sound like some
kind of weird parable or folk tale. He comes back
with the filled jug and he says he sees one
(34:10):
of the aliens is cooking pancakes, is making pancakes on
some something that's like a flat riddle kind of thing,
something without an open flame. And again, per his story,
the creatures give Joe I think, three of the pancakes
and then they salute him and the craft you know,
(34:34):
elevates and they embark out due south into the sky,
into orbit, into space beyond with their jug of water.
This story was investigated by the US Air Force, of
course it was. You can look as if you go
(34:54):
to website, like if you just go to your browser
of choice and check outnineteen sixty one Eagle River incident,
you can actually see a photo of Joe holding one
of these alleged alien pancakes.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Yeah, I bet space pancakes are really fluffy.
Speaker 2 (35:14):
It does not look fluffy at all. That dry and
it looks.
Speaker 3 (35:21):
Kind of like a dried lotus roots. What are those
people who has that fear of holes? Don't look at
that picture?
Speaker 2 (35:29):
How how do you even decide that that's a pancake
or that it's edible in any way? And guys, would
you put it in your mouth?
Speaker 4 (35:39):
If for that's how you decide? That's the only way.
Speaker 3 (35:42):
What's that old joke you run into a pile of
round and then you see someone turn around and go, oh,
it's okay, guys, it's chocolate. It just raises a lot
of pleasures.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Roll the dice, buddy, What do you have to lose
besides the plot of every negative alien movie that's ever
come out?
Speaker 3 (35:56):
What is life if Doctor V lived?
Speaker 2 (35:58):
Yes, well, what's let's put ourselves in the position of
those aliens?
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Right the Italians?
Speaker 2 (36:07):
Yes, we really really really need some water because we're
making some gabbahool on our spaceship.
Speaker 4 (36:14):
Is water a key ingredient and making up?
Speaker 2 (36:16):
I don't know, I don't know. We gotta we gotta
cook some pasta and we need some water?
Speaker 4 (36:22):
Right?
Speaker 5 (36:23):
No?
Speaker 2 (36:23):
But really, like, okay, let's say it's it's absolutely true
and real. There are three aliens from some other place
on us on some kind of ship and they need water.
Do you go to somebody on the planet and say, hey,
you don't say anything, you telepathically let them know you
need water, or do you just go find some water?
Speaker 3 (36:48):
Yeah? Exactly Why would you violate, maybe violate the prime
directive by engaging, you know, shout out to our fellow
star trek fans. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
There there are a lot of questions about this story,
put diplomatically Steve from Ohio. But I don't know about you, guys.
I'm fascinated by it, primarily because of the video clip
where we can see Joe himself describing it. He did
try one of the pancakes of the three they gave him,
and his review wasn't super great. These were not Michelin'
(37:21):
bib pancakes. These tasted like cardboard. He gave the other
two cakes to a ufologist from Vilas County, and we
don't know what happened to the other two pancakes.
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Did they have any space syrup?
Speaker 3 (37:39):
Right? You know what I mean? Just serving up dry
pancakes not a good look.
Speaker 4 (37:43):
No, not the mark of an advanced civilization.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
Let's just I don't think they had different priorities and
also did they pick Joe on purpose or were they
just were they just going with the flow like country Mac.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Well, so i'm looking at well, let's take a minute
to look at Eagle River on the map here. Yep,
if you're looking at Wisconsin, it's kind of in north
central Wisconsin, surrounded by the Great Lakes. There's plenty of
water to go around pretty close to this area. It's
actually pretty far.
Speaker 3 (38:18):
But if you're in a spaceship, come on, well, also
think of it this way. What if you're just trying
to surreptitiously stop somewhere and you don't know the neighborhood,
and then this guy comes up and he's just making
weird hand signs at you, and you want to be cool.
You don't want this to be a horrible situation. So
you're like, I don't know, give him give him something,
(38:39):
you know, like the way we did on these other planets.
Just give him an object of affection. They're like, oh, okay,
give him the jug, jug, the empty jug. Just give
him the jug. I don't know, we don't know. What
if he's dangerous, they give him the jug and they're like,
that was great, Okay, let's chill out that got real tense,
and then all of a sudden low and behold this
(39:00):
crazy monkey primate thing is barreling back at you and
it's got the jug and now let's put some in there.
And you're like, oh great, now what now I'm in
a situationship.
Speaker 4 (39:11):
With some poopoo or just stuff. What do we got?
It's like, all I'm saying is I wouldn't be thrown
around weird hand signals in my neighborhood.
Speaker 3 (39:23):
That's almost it's it's a weird thing to do. It's
I don't know. It's kind of like how I figured
out it hurts people's feelings in traffic more if you
give them a thumbs down instead of the finger.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
Oh that's a really good move, Ben that you're just
I'm disappointed in you.
Speaker 3 (39:38):
Yeah, I'm not angry. I'm not surprised. And you can
do better. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 4 (39:45):
We all can.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
We all can. And that's maybe what what Joe is thinking.
But in his story, per his account, he's being a
helpful person and he I don't know. I like this
alternate made up theory about the aliens freaking out meeting
a local and then just because I've been in. I've
(40:06):
been in situations. I don't know if you guys have.
I've been plenty of awkward social situations across cultures.
Speaker 4 (40:12):
I haven't heard you get into situations, man, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 3 (40:18):
I mean not always bad ones, but situations for sure.
But the thing where you know, you're like Homer Simpson
walking backwards into the bushes. So maybe the aliens didn't
know what to do except salute the guy in skidaddle
before he came back with something else, you know, if
the story ever happened. The interesting thing here is that
(40:39):
if you look at the USAF investigation in their files,
this incident is listed as unexplained, which could mean any
number of things.
Speaker 2 (40:52):
I just keep looking at the pancakes.
Speaker 4 (40:54):
They don't look great.
Speaker 3 (40:56):
They look burned or Chris be like the kind of
thing you might see in an muse boosh or a
dessert at a fancy restaurant.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
They just like, we have so much here, you say,
amuse boosh.
Speaker 2 (41:09):
In this context, that's.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Like stick a little cracker in the thing so you
can charge more for the sorbet.
Speaker 4 (41:14):
We have them scorched earth pancakes, yes, scorched earth pancakes.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
Poifect have you guys ever had like high protein pancakes before?
Speaker 3 (41:22):
Not great, A little heavy I have, I'm not I'm
not a fan of the pan and the cake in general.
Speaker 4 (41:30):
A crape, how do you feel about a crap?
Speaker 3 (41:32):
Crapes are lighter, Yeah, for sure, you can put more
stuff with them.
Speaker 2 (41:37):
I'm imagining, guys, if you are in a spaceship. We've
seen it depicted many many times over, there's some kind
of goofy liquid that has all the protein and nutrients
that you need for on a you know, a long
space trip or something. I can imagine that if you
were in one of those situations, you might have a
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little griddle of some sort that, you know, a smokeless fire, airless,
and you could put your glube on it and make something.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
Pancake batter and space that's gonna gum up the instruments.
That's gonna be a nightmare situation.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
At that place too. We'd have to ask why there
would not be food that doesn't require that extra step
of eating.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
We have actually ice cream pancakes.
Speaker 3 (42:20):
The only explanation would be perhaps they need the heat
to make a chemical change of some sort for nutrition.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
What if it's a heating something up on the radiator
situation radiator. Of course this stuff is horrible, but if
we put it on here, it's okay. It tastes a
little bit like cardboard, but it's okay.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
Now that's prison rules, Matt. That's not spaceship rules, Charlie.
Speaker 3 (42:43):
That's Charlie Day's stuff, which I have absolutely practiced and support.
Make a little toilet wine while you're at it, Why
not only the finest? I would love to read Michelin
reviews of that kind of stuff. I got back into
reading about Michelin. It's just so weird that a tire
company runs the fancy.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
It's just another example of being first to market with
a thing.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
You know. I guess so, I guess so? Uh Off air,
I'm going to tell you guys about a really great
idea I had. In fact, I think it worked so
much that we're not going to talk about it on air.
Speaker 4 (43:17):
Dude, it's serious. I wouldn't even tell us about it.
We got notoriously big mouths. No, I'm kidding. Please please
do tell. I gotta know, I gotta don't.
Speaker 3 (43:25):
I'll find yourself bad. So we do know. One other
interesting point here, is Steve from Ohio, is that we know.
Shortly after this incident, there were a couple more sightings
alleged sightings that occurred in the general area. You can
learn more by checking out a book by the author J.
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Wrath R. A. T. H. Called The w Files True
Reports What Explaining Phenomena in Wisconsin. We have not read
the book.
Speaker 2 (43:57):
Sounds awesome?
Speaker 3 (43:58):
Does sound awesome? I like it? Called it w Files.
Speaker 4 (44:00):
Oh, and just I think this is appropriate for this
and the last story. I just wanted to mention a
Netflix series that maybe has flown under the radar for
some folks. It is an Argentinian alien invasion show based
on a graphic novel called The Eternat and it's really
really good and it is about like non benevolent alien invaders,
and it sort of has like a pandemic aspect to
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it as well. And I'm really really enjoying it.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
What's the name again.
Speaker 4 (44:25):
The Eternat E T E R N A U T.
And there's a whole season on Netflix and it did
get renewed for a second and it's it's really cool
and it is based on a graphic novel.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Guys, I founded an Italian restaurant in the center of
Eagle River called borde Lotti's Sinson and it is fine
Italian dining and it's pretty expensive. What if what if
you guys it was connected to Bordellotti's.
Speaker 4 (44:52):
It's in the middle of a river.
Speaker 2 (44:55):
It's Eagle River, the place where the sky got them
the people.
Speaker 4 (45:00):
Referring to the actual Eagle River. And it's like on
a little island or something like like what is it
the menu? You know they have that like little weird
Take the boat. That movie is good.
Speaker 3 (45:10):
I liked it. We also know you can always tell
what we get out of food. Take folks that we
are approaching lunchtime as a crew. This happens on pretty
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (45:21):
About you, but pretty much every show I did, true
or We've got a bit of a marathon sessh today,
So I'm excited.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Oh yeah, yeah we uh so we're going to with
great thanks to you, Steve from Ohio or the case.
I want to keep looking into this.
Speaker 6 (45:34):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (45:35):
I will say that a great a great way to
learn more about these kinds of reports is to delve
into psychology. When you can look at the work of
our colleague Toby Ball, who has some excellent deep dives
on these phenomena these sightings, and then also look at
the folkloric aspect that I teased earlier, because a lot
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of stories about UFO and count are beat for beat,
including the exchange of food and drink. They're beat for
beat stories from older ages of fairies and changelings.
Speaker 4 (46:10):
Or Rudebega for rudebega if you're nasty, mm yeah.
Speaker 3 (46:14):
Badger for badger, put it in the bag. We are
going to call it an evening for now. We want
to thank everybody who wrote in with recommendations of sleeper
hit fast food places that we can't quite get to today.
Thank you for everybody who wrote in answering some questions
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about MRIs. That was absolutely amazing and we appreciate it.
We also have so many more wonders to show you
and to share with you, so please tune in in
the coming weeks. We are going to be on adventures.
We are going to talk about the science or conspiracy
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of what makes people cool, and yes, we'll have an
update on the continuing Epstein scandal. So big, big thanks
to Steve from Ohio, Easy e Glamity, Chris Flee, and
of course k if you want to follow in their footsteps, please,
please do. We can't wait to hear from you. You
can find us online, you can call us on the phone.
(47:18):
You can always give us an email.
Speaker 4 (47:21):
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You've got three minutes. Give yourself a cool nickname and
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Speaker 3 (47:53):
We are the entities that read each piece of correspondence
we receive. Be well aware, yet I'd afraid sometimes the
voice rights back. We will not try to make you
eat a space pancake, but we will give you one random,
out of context fact anytime you ask. Also shout out
to Chef Ben. We may be starting a restaurant called
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