August 21, 2025 • 67 mins
Mr. Delay reaches out with a breakdown of trauma medicine guidelines. An anonymous caller details the experience of a military friend who fears they may be turned against the American public. Multiple Conspiracy Realists write in to discuss the unfolding Epstein saga -- especially the idea that powerful forces may be 'breadcrumbing' new information in an effort to control the overall narrative and stymy investigation. All this and more in this week's listener mail segment.
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It's a rudebak apocalypse.
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Mm hmm.
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Boby's a regular cast member or at least the recurring truth.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
In journalism, right A regular Clarence Darrow is that guy.
We are going to, uh, we're going to talk about
several things that we've heard from the best part of
the show, our fellow conspiracy realist will get to what
we're calling the bread crumb theory about Nobody's pal Jeffrey.
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We're going to hear some first hand experience from Washington, DC.
And before we do any of that, we're gonna tune
into a message from mister Delay. Klay lay calvea asterisk
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Speaker 6 (02:21):
And we have returned with the aforementioned message from mister
Delay lay lay because you know Delay.
Speaker 5 (02:29):
Sorry audio nerd joke. Here we go.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Hi boys, mister Delay here again. As always, feel free
to read or paraphrase my message on the air, mister Delay.
We would never presume to paraphrase your words only verbatim.
For mister Delay, I just listened to your classic episode
on bug out bags and thought i'd have some advice
and insight to share for my time serving as a
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combat medic in the US Army. Apologies for the length
of my message, No apologies needed, mister Delay. It helps
us fill the time with a fantastic information from you.
Anyone wanting the latest and greatest trauma medicine guidelines that
the military has to offer should look up the most
updated TCCC, graciously pronounced TC three or Tactical Combat Casualty Guidelines.
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But I'll go over the basics here, only including things
I think an average Joe could accomplish with a bit
of practice and luck. Traumatic emergency and battlefield wounds should
be addressed in order of March. Boy, do we love
an acronym here and stuff they don't want you to
know that stands for massive hemorrhaging airway respiration circulation hypothermia,
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which could also be like a really cool like black
metal song title massive hemorrhaging. The first step is to
staunch the bleeding, usually with a tourniquet applied two to
three inches above the wound. Always remember to write down
the time the tourniquet is applied. Interesting, if bleeding persists
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apply a second tourniquit right by the first one. Do
you guys know about that? About writing down the time?
That is fascinating and the idea of a second tourniquet.
I think we can chat about these one by one,
maybe a little bit. Turniquets freaked me out, by the way,
all I have to give blood, but I have blood
drawn relatively frequently, and my least favorite part of it
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is the tournique because the pressure of it and just
kind of feeling my precious bodily fluids being drained from
me with that pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It really freaks me out.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
But I was actually recently told that I have good
veins and that if I'd only said something, she wouldn't
have needed to use the tournique, So you know, I
learned something there. But this is a different kind of
use of a tourniquet in order to help staunch the bleeding. Yeah,
what did you know about the idea of a second tourniquit, ben,
And also making note of the time. I imagine it's
just a way of gauging the whether it's working or not.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah. The the timing I'm laughing out of a lack
of comfort here. So the timing is key, as you
said here, mister delay, because when help arrives, and hopefully
help does come, you need to be able to have
a record of what happened, right of how long the
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person or the patient or the victim has been in
this situation.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
This TCCC is.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Invaluable, which is one of the reasons we so greatly
appreciate your email, mister Delay.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And we also know I think we need to note.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
That as mister Delay says, Lay Lay Lay says, says, says,
these are just the basics. Please do read more regarding this,
hopefully before you need to know it. And then, as
you said, we'll continue point by point.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah, And I just want to say too, I mean,
mister Delay really did do a great job of curating
some super useful tips. And I mean I'm no field medic,
to be sure, I really have very little medical knowledge period,
so this is all really good information for me. But
I think I always assume the tourniquit was applied to
the wound, which is clearly very very wrong. So good
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on you, mister Delay, for schooling me there. Let's go
to the second point here, airway the a in March.
Next step is to secure the airway, and I think
if anyone's watching any medical dramas, that's always a big
point when the first responders show up is clearing the airway,
making sure that it is unobstructive. If the patient is
unconscious and has vomit or blood in their mouth, turn
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them to let it pour out. Note if the patient
suffered a fall, or you suspect any neck or spinal trauma,
ensure that the head is held forward, which would be
using one of those brace kind of things. I think
that you see EMTs putting individuals into to keep the
neck straight so it doesn't exacerbate any kind of neck
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or spinal injury. This is in line with the rest
of the body. And then turn the whole body as
a unit with some help from a partner hopefully you have.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's one of those things that you see in films
and TV shows all the time where when somebody suffers
some kind of fall or some kind of injury like
get hit by a car or something, you'll usually hear
one character say no, don't move them, right, that's the
concept of you're going to cause more harm by simply
moving them, especially with the head and body connection there
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at the.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Neck for sure.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
So moving on to the R in march, which is respiration.
Any penetrating chest wounds should have a chest seal applied,
essentially a thin barrier to act as skin to keep
air out of the chest. In a pinch, a square
piece of plastic, a chip bag, anything intact that will
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move with the chest as it spans and contracts secured
on all sides with tape chip back. Okay, if the
patient is struggling to breathe, it is likely air has
gotten into their chest and is pressing on their lungs.
And this is one of the most squiggy out things
that I see in these types of depictions in film
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and TV. Tear one side of the chest, seal to
burp it and then reseal it. And the next one
is the thing I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
It that doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We need a needle decompression, and oftentimes you will see
an improvised one of those. This is me not paraphrasing,
but just adding like a ballpoint pen that you remove
the pen part of and crack open one side and
then pierce through the sternum and then that allows, you know,
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the air to escape. A needle decompression maybe need to
be says, but any brave or desperate souls in the
audience can check out the t CCC guidelines for more instructions.
But I think that's what we're talking about, y'all, is
that that very very gnarly emergency act of you know,
using an improvised device around to penetrate the chest and
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then release any air bubbles.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's portrayed not often accurately in film and fiction. It's
it's an ugly thing that we see happen, but it
can save lives. And this no mister delay, fellow listeners
be This leads us to the next see on the list,
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which is circulation.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Circulation, indeed the sea in March uh and that goes
like this. If the patient is not in shock, the
wound is not an amputation, and the wound can be
closely monitored. The wound should be filled with homeostatic gauze
and wrapped in addressing. Try to find the exact spot
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that the wound is coming from and press the gauze
into it hard. And I imagine when he says coming
from that would be like the bleeding and the sort
of deepest part of the wound, and press gauz into
it hard. If your fingers aren't hurting, you're not pressing
hard enough. That's got a smart for the person being pressed.
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This should be done less than two hours after the
aforementioned tournique is applied. At which point the tourniquet can
be released. Don't do this if more than six hours
have passed, and try to get it done in less
than two.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Again to the point about noting the time the tourniquet
is applied when later medical care occurs. This stuff might
be disturbing to a lot of us, but again, as
mister Delay surely knows, it is way better to know
about this stuff now while you're listening from the safety
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of your home or your car, or your helicopter or
where else are people when they're listening to the.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Show, you guys, hovercraft, dirigible, dirigible, perhaps a segue or
some other personal ambulatory device.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, no, wherever you're at, this is super helpful stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Finally, we have the h in march, which is hypothermia
just a biggie In certain climates. Blood is one of
the primary ways the body maintains temperature. Minimize patient's exposure
to cold, replacing wet clothing and wrap in a blanket.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I mean we know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Now quickly wet clothing given a frigid environment can lower
the body's temperature, which is absolutely a no no if
you are suffering from some kind of physical trauma. So yeah,
replace the wet clothing, or even remove it and wrap
in a blanket if able to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This feels like essent stuff, guys, and I don't know
how or why any of us would actually get hit
with all of this information unless we were doing some
kind of military training, anything from the reserve to you know,
someone who's going into active duty somewhere. How this is
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just an available resource, right you can find this thing.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I just found it. It's a it's a free pdf.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
You can literally just search for MILITARYTCCC and on Army DotMil.
It is the Tactical Combat Casualty Care Handbook, Version five.
It would appear that the most recent version came out
in twenty twenty three, so I don't think they're updated
like yearly necessarily, but it is definitely a full manual
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that you get with illustrations and all kinds of helpful tips,
so you know, dig a little deeper if you want
to go beyond the kind of curated you know everyday
Joe pointers that mister Delay brought to us today.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And you very much should, especially if you live in
the United States. You have already paid for this book
because it was sure made with your tax dollars. So
it's already a book you paid for. It's already some
guidance and insight that you have paid for. Please do
avail yourself of this information. We could also do a
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great almost a book club on the essential field and
survival manuals. There are a ton of them out there,
not all as reliable.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
As the others.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
But it goes back to again, this is something you'll
agree with, mister delay. The concept of prior practice, right,
and how that prevents piss poor performance, planning ahead, and
these these kinds of resources are invaluable.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Here.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Know, a lot of us who have heard our bug
out Bag one on one episode might be thinking, well, guys,
does this directly apply to a bug out bag?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Well that pause, and yeah, there's certainly like you don't
want to have to use a chip bag for that chest,
you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You don't want to have to use a pen a
pen canister to pop an airway hole?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
No, no, I mean so I think, yeah, this absolutely
applies to probably any kind of smart first aid kit
that you're even taking with you on like a camping
trip or like a significant hike, right, or some sort
of outdoor adventure people fall into ravines all the time,
you know, And if you don't have some of these
things and you're off the beaten path, you could absolutely
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be in a really really bad shape and potentially be
facing the worst possible outcome.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, And the thing is, all the cool gear and
kit that you might have in a bug out bag
is essentially going to be worthless if you don't know
how to use it. Like, think of it this way.
Let's say we're all all of us together, right, we
are magically people from the fourteen hundreds, and we have
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robbed what's a store you would rob in the fourteen hundreds,
the apothecary?
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Absolutely, yes, Ok, perhaps we haberdashery.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
All right, we've robbed the habit dash of Apothecary and
oh yeah, we're selling where they're selling drugged headgear. And
so we've robbed this place and we are trying to
make a getaway and we're running and instead of a
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horse and a wagon, we see nineteen fifty seven Cadillac. Awesome,
great car. But we don't know how to drive a
car because we're from the fourteen hundreds, So do you know.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
How to drive?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I don't know what any of this it does not
really wired.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Not everyone knows how to do everything.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's very true, but that's a that's a somewhat over
elaborate scene painting there of exactly what you can run
into if you have a really dope first aid kit
or first responder ability, and you have all the toys
and you have all the all the needed tools, if
you don't know how to use them, then you're a
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person in the fourteen hundreds trying to drive a Cadillac.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know who knows how to shift
gears on one of those things? Yeah, I just this
this this is a phrase or this old adage occurred
to me and it doesn't quite apply here, but I
think it still works to mention an ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure. However, in a pinch,
that pound of cure is going to be really, really,
really necessary. And I did also want to mention that
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you can find a sort of abridged version of the
T three C that is more of a quick reference guide.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And honestly, I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
This is the kind of thing that you probably want
to have printed and laminated and having your bug out
bag because phone batteries die. You don't want to just
be stuck with having only a PDF version on your device.
I think a hard copy of this would be really
really useful.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, go a step further right, tape it to
the passenger side dashboard of your car so that when
people hop in, it's the first thing they know.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
They know you're getting ready.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, yes, they know what's up.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And there's another point that mister Delay hits us up
on that we responded to directly, that is not TCCC,
but is equally important.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, and it's one that I think you put forth
in a previous episode.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I can't remember.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
It was probably on the bug out Bag episode, but
it's something that comes up often. One final note, mister
Delay says you mentioned Ben mentioned in fact that a
map or compass are the best navigation tools since they
don't need power or a connection. And to the previous
point about a hard copy, things that don't require power
or a connection out in the field, out in the
wilderness always going to be your best friend, because you
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know what happens when a phone dies. It becomes a
really expensive brick, which could maybe be useful in certain situations,
but not in the ones that the device was intended for.
I agree, but I cannot emphasize enough that land navigation
is a skill, and a surprisingly perishable one at that.
I remember soldiers, including myself, getting lost all the time.
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Anyone serious about depending on those tools should practice with
them at least once a month, if not more. Y'all,
what would be a good way to go about practicing
with those tools that isn't putting you in peril or
in harm's way. Maybe just taking them with you on
a hike, you know, Like I went on a nice
bike ride on this really cool silver Comet trail that
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goes all the way from Atlanta to Alabama. You get
into some woody areas, but it is you know, populated,
and there's plenty of foot traffic and people around. So
something like that, you know, to see kind of which
direction you're going. Compare that to the direction of the sun,
et cetera. Things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Maybe, Yeah, I love silver Commet by the way, Yeah,
I think that's a great way to think through this.
When we say perishable, just to step back for a moment.
When we say perishable, we mean that you could find
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yourself lost in the woods right in a situation. You
could have the map, but maybe it's dark, right, so
you can't just look up into the sky and say, oh,
the sun is here. Therefore this is west or east,
and therefore that is south or north. You may need
to rely on a compass at a map, and depending
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on the level of accuracy you need, you might be
surprised how how much it is not like riding a bike.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
It.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, since I'm throwing out old timey adages, another one
that comes to mind is practice not makes perfect, but
makes permanent, because without practicing something and repeating in action
over and over again, it is never going to become
a habit, despite how comfortable you feel with it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You know conceptually, but the uncomfortable part of that is
that if you practice something wrong, you will do it
wrong good way. Something my kids are learning in karate
just about if you you know, if you throw that
sidekick just a little wrong, but that's how you go
home and do it. Whoop, your sidekick is not going
to be right.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
No, totally and well huge thanks to mister delay, and
I think we went a little bit short on this one.
I just wanted to ask you something, both of y'all,
just on a personal level. You're talking about karate a
close family member, not my actual kid, but my kid's
kid's sister is getting bullied school by someone who is
into taekwondo and is using their taekwondo as bullying tactics.
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And I think the smart move would be to report
this to their sensey because that is the kind of
thing that those teachers are so against on a fundamental level,
and I think they would be the one to maybe
cut them down to side a little bit and put
them in their place, because mom and dad don't seem
to be doing I'm just wondering what y'all thought it
would work.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, you should do that immediately, because if you're if
you were using those skills to start a fight, then
you are not listening to the message or sense was
teaching you.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
I mean it's my understanding that this is the kind
of skill set that you attain so that you can
defend yourself and defend others, you know, who are being
bullied or abused or attacked. So this is not Nobody
is meant to get these skills so that they can
just kick ass and take names.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That's not the name of game.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
The kid could be attending the Cobra Kai.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Yeah, so my kid sort of niece.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I guess you call her maybe just needs to learn
do the crane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah exactly, Then you're good.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Wax on, wax off.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Indeed, Oh for sure, no question about it. Well, let's
take a quick pause.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Thanks again, mister d hear a word from our sponsor,
and then we'll be back with some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And we've returned. Guys, we had something very interesting occur.
We had a caller in early early July July second,
and if this caller said some things, told a story.
It was kind of one of those friend of a
friend's stories. We all know those, right where it's almost
like a rumor or something. When this person called in.
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And it's not that we didn't take it seriously, it's
just it's one of those unverifiable things. It's there's not
a primary or even secondary source of information. It's a
friend of a friend. So it's tough to even know
what to believe when you're hearing a story like that.
So we kind of let it slip by, and then
this person called back after some developments. So we're going
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to listen first to the message that came to us
on July second, of this year, and then we'll listen
to the follow up after that. So here we go.
Here's the first message from July second.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Hi, y'all, I got off the phone with a friend
that I really trust, and she was telling me.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
How she has a friend who she's really concerned about
because he's been drinking really heavily recently and he is
a data intelligent analysis something like that for the Navy,
which means that he has clearance.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And she told me that he let it slit that
he got deployed to DC and that's when his drinking
started up. And he's reserved too, so he's not active,
he's reserved and got deployed. And she says that he
can't really talk about it, but some of the things
that he says, it just kind of sounds like he's
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worried about what he has to do against the American people.
I have no clue. I could completely be fear hungering
right now. And this is just hearsay, but I find
it very interesting that minimum a maybe reservist was activated
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and sent to DC. Yeah, so weird. Thank y'all so much.
I hope you have a good night.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Okay, So, this anonymous person you know, heard from a
friend this really troubling sounding development situation and decided to
call us and leave that message on your You know,
if you knew nothing about the news right now, what
would you guys think about that?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I think I'm a little confused.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
This is about someone being like under trauma because of
their deployment and triggering a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's someone who is Navy Reserve who works in data intelligence,
deployed to Washington, d C. And was drinking heavily and
talking to his friends about how he's worried he's going
to have to do things he doesn't want to do.
At least, that's the gist of the message that I got.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, okay, so a little bit of yeah, maybe some
stress involved in the heavy drinking as well. Hmm, do
some things that he doesn't want to do?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
What do you think that might mean?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, specifically, at least in the message, Colors says to
the American people like against the American people, gathering intelligence
for some future action. Again, this is July second of
this year. Let's go to the follow up, I guess
and we will hear what the person has to say.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
I call y'all, as soon as I saw how the
National Guard has been deployed into d C about a
month ago. I don't know if y'all remember, but I
called y'all to let you know how my friend is
the National Guard, had told me how he had been
brought up to d C to gather intel and he
had been drinking really bad because he told me he
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was turning against the American people. It's happened. What's happening
in DC is just to start. His drinking is getting worse,
and what he's slipping is getting worse. There's a reason
why this is just the first place, and he's been
up there four months gathering intel. I don't know what's
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going to happen next, but I do hope y'all do
a story about this. The National Guard has been in
DC intel for a hot minute now. On where they're
deploying DC is to start. Sorry, I got real into
I hope y'all have a fabulous night.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Yeah, I think I've been burying my head in the
sand a little bit about the potential future versions of
what's going on in DC.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, it's certainly troubling, I think from an objective standpoint, right,
it's it's either troubling because there's a massive crime wave
occurring in cities across the country that needs to be
assisted by you know, national guardsmen, or there's seems to
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be a movement here to rationalize and normalize you know,
troops with weapons on streets in American cities to self
police in some kind of weird way. We've talked about
a little bit on the show already. It is really weird,
I think, just to hear one person's perspective, you know,
as it's happening before, and then as it's occurring now,
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and then potentially having information from someone who's not dealing
with it so well, right, who's being told to do
this or this is you know, we have to be
objective as well with the whole thing, right, as much
as we can. Just from what this caller is even saying.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Those crime stats certainly don't seem to bear out though
from everything that I'm seeing. I don't know if y'all
are seeing differently, but like it's my understanding, the crime
rates in DC are a historic low, and it's being rationalized,
used as a rationalization to do this deployment, and that
I could see that being a tactic used elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, we can jump to Al Jazeera if we want to,
just to get a little bit of data on this.
This occurred on August twelfth, the President announced that the
federal government would take control of the District of Columbia
Metropolitan Police Department to address surgeon crime. We've got a
quote here, This is from the President. I'm announcing a
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historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam,
and squalor and worse. This is Liberation Day in DC,
and we're going to take our capital back under the
authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.
I'm officially invoking Section seven forty of the District of
Columbia Home Rule Act in placing the DC Metropolitan and
Police Department under direct federal control. It was also announced
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at the time that he would be deploying National Guard
and if we jump to August nineteen, we've got a
list here from the Hill of the different states that
are sending National Guard troops to Washington, d C. Louisiana
is sending one hundred and thirty five members of the
Louisiana National Guard. Mississippi two hundred soldiers from the Mississippi
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National Guard Tennessee one hundred and sixty personnel. West Virginia
is sending three hundred to four hundred quote skilled personnel.
South Carolina is sending two hundred National guardsmen, and Ohio
one hundred and fifty military police from the National Guard.
I think maybe the most troubling thing is that when
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you look at a lot of the reporting from various sources,
including Fox News and other places like that, that tend
to lean towards maybe the president and the administration. Everybody
is pointing out that it's an objective fact that crime
rates in specifically Washington, DC are low. There was a
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spike several years ago in crime, and that is kind
of how crime statistics work, right. Crime statistics can be
a very political thing.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
There's a delay in reporting tools.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
There is, and you can goose numbers pretty well depending
on what you want to have happen. Who's in charge,
who's the mayor, you know, does the mayor align with
whatever the governor or things like.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That, just like unemployment numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh yeah, all of these numbers and statistics to get
thrown around that people get enraged about or scared about
and all that stuff. It's stuff that can be used
to make you feel a certain way that hopefully you
will either vote or support or be against something. Right,
We just got to keep that in mind as we
see all this stuff. The action itself, though, to declare
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an emergency and then have that kind of presence, I
think is maybe the weirdest thing, just getting people used
to seeing soldiers from your country on streets in the
city where you live, you know, with some of them armed,
some of them not armed, but making arrests alongside you know,
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police officers, local police officers, and the FBI all kind
of working together as this big thing.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
But apparently there's also a real weird hierarchical disconnect between
those agencies in these kinds of situations, or specifically now
where it's like kind of unclear who's in charge and
a lot of things get lost in.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
The shuffle of the chaos of an act like this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yes, and we've seen out of the BBC a lot
of other reporting that the mayor there in Washington, d C.
Mayor Muriel Bowser, who happens to be on the other
side of the aisle than the presidential administration, pushing back
and saying, hey, this we can't do this. It's not
going exactly the way the announcement. The initial announcement said
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it was going to go with, you know, specifics of
how the police departments, who they report to and everything.
But it is convoluted now at this point and a
bit strange, and you got to do some digging to
actually see where is the chain of command and how
does then the FBI figure into that, and where does
the National Guard figure into that? It's a bit strange.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Is this also like a logical or a spiritual successor
to what happened in Los Angeles? Like and you know
in terms of deploying the Guard without the permission of
the mayor, without any That's what I meant the excuse me,
But just like in Los Angeles during that whatever period
of unrest, I guess as it was described, there was
a lot of to do made about, you know how
it was kind of an overarching act that didn't really
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have precedent.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Tit interjector there is an interesting parallel and a series
of breadcrumbs we can lay because if I recall correctly
the last time, so the issue with the Marines is
that they were deployed despite the protestations of the Governor
of California, Gavin Newsom. In the DC case, there is
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a more recent precedent, right, because the National Guard was
last deployed a few years ago on a sunny day
in January. January sixth, twenty twenty one, was the last
time the ng got gathered up and posse together in
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DC and Anonymous caller, thank you so much for following up.
Sorry have been a little bit quiet in this part
of our listener mail program. It's because there is a
lot to think about, and I'd like for us to
do an episode on this as a follow up to
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our episode years back on the militarization of police forces.
One thing that I think is key to understand to
get past the headlines here folks, for you, Anonymous caller,
and for all of us listening, whether you are civilian,
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veteran currently serving, you have to remember that if you
know somebody in the Guard, if you know someone in
the Marines, if you know someone in the military, the
last thing those folks want to do is be forced
to turn on citizens of the United States. The police
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are supposed to be doing that job. Not saying they're
turning on, but the police are supposed to interact with
civilians in a law keeping fashion. Military against the civilians
historically leads to bad things across governments, whatever stripe of
government we're talking about, not just democracy. So when we
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hear news, regardless of where it's coming from, let's be
very careful not to not to think of these people
serving as some monolithic entity. People in the National Guard.
I feel safe saying this. The vast majority don't wake
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up every day saying, oh, I hope I can bruise
some heads somewhere. I can't wait for the potus to
send me to kick around homeless people.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
That is not the case, right.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, But it's really tough because it's happening at the
same time that there are masked help you know, Homeland
Security folks and ICE folks in the same streets doing
raids where they are. You know, there have been so
many reports of the violence that's occurring with those guys,
and I think it's hard for maybe someone who is
a civilian who doesn't isn't exposed to a lot of
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this stuff and doesn't have that perspective just watching all
of it occur and then trying to discern, like, well,
who's who and is anybody actually on the team of
people that's there to serve and protect or like, what
is happening and what is this? And I don't know.
It's just a lot of fear. I think that ends
up getting generated through that.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, agreed, And the point I wanted to end on
there is the idea of constitutional crisis normalizing the presence
of armed forces against civilians, similar to our conversation about
the militarization of police that occurs in step with normalizing
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the erosion of the constitution. Democracy is an active experiment, right,
we're cooking live, which means it is fragile and without
being alarmist, Dear anonymous caller, this does feel to me
like an episode, and unfortunately it feels like a timely episode.
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There's so much more I want to say. I gotta
be careful on this one, guys, but I think stay
tuned and stay safe.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
There's a great piece in CNN that talks about the
nineteen sixty eight riots after the assassination of Martin Luther
King Junior. That's when riots in the streets were happening
in Washington, DC and there were a ton of fires,
there were it was chaos, and that is when the
National Guard was deployed there, perhaps most notably when there
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was an actual emergency situation where the National Guard had
to in a large part, attempt to control civilians that
were pissed off and really angry and scared. And it
makes me nervous that something could happen where enough people
would be angry that they would want to protest or
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you know, go into the streets for one reason or
another sometime in the near future, and then there would
be this force. They would be met with this force again,
masked up and ready to rock against civilians.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It seems like a lot of testing of the waters too,
Like how, you know, can we justify some of these
acts by throwing out these somewhat misused statistics and get
certain people towing the party line publicly? You know, there's
been a lot of talk on Capitol Hill from folks
talking about there's one particular lawmaker I can't remember the name,
(38:42):
but talking about how he drives around DC with his
seat belt on because he's afraid of a carjacking and
he doesn't want to, you know, be compromised. You know,
he's I don't care what you think about me, but
that's that scary here. And you know, and I was
listening to a conversation I think it was on the
Majority Report where the guest was talking who is like
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a Capitol Hill kind of commentator who lives there, said
there certainly was a spike in carjackings in past years,
and there have been spikes in crime, but the way
it's being reported now feels much more hyperbolic than it
does feel like the reality on the streets that's happening today,
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and it seems more like cherry picking in order to
justify an act, and that kind of thing can happen anywhere.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, crazy stuff, you guys. Thank you so much anonymous
person for just sending us those messages. If you are
out there and you hear something and you want to
tell us about it, we would love to hear.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Thanks again, and let's all be safe. We'll be right
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And we have returned.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
We're going to do a quick double back, Dylan, I
defer to you Tennessee to give us whatever a double
back sound que sounds like perfect, that's real, trustful, we
do it in the edit, folks, why are we doubling back?
We're doubling back to our conversation with mister Delay, just
(40:21):
because it bears repeating the concept as you recall, as
you recall the concept of perishable land navigation skills, the
void does right back. We reached out to mister Delay,
and when we reach out on the email, you know
we can all we can all see this conversation. Wanted
(40:44):
to take a moment to be an account of Bill
a buddy with you, mister Delay, because we wholeheartedly agree
with your point about this perishability. And this prompted another
conversation that we've been having on and off again in
Strange News and listener Mail in episodes about automation and
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technology and the cybernetic future of the human mind. It's
crazy because the normalization of cell and GPS technology has
put most folks from developed countries in a very tight spot.
One of my favorite examples that we use for this
when we were talking about AI was the advent of
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accessible electronic calculators, right that resulted in this decline and
intermediate math skills, like when's the last time you guys
had to do some hand drawn long division.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
It's funny you say that I just had to order
a TI eight three for my kid, and it was
fun to see the way they're packaging them these days.
They're a little skinnier, a little sleeker, looking the same
old tie three. I wonder if you can still put
snake on it or drug wars.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
We should do a history of Texas Instruments. Gosh, what
a monopoly they have.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Anila on prairie.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you make
that up?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
No, that's what they call it.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Oh, that's amazing part of Texas.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
I wish there's a part of Texas that's where Texas
Instruments was based, that was referred to as the Silicon Prairie.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Matt, have you when's the last time you've done some
I like saying hand drawn long division because it sounds
old timy.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, when you've got a kid going through like fourth grade,
heading in one in fifth grade, there's some long division
that you got to do to help the kids with
their stuff. So you got to remember it is not fun.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I just prefer to use my trustee emicus.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's not like riding a bike. It's this is this is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Interesting because fellow conspiracy realist too, maybe of certain professional
acumen or a certain age, you are probably astonished by
how quickly generations after you became reliant on smartphones, right
on Texas instruments, on cell phones, on smartphone mapping. And
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this is the accountability part, mister Delay. As you know,
shared a story about two years back outside of the
United States where your faithful correspondent did have to use
a physical map in the dead of night and had
that stomach churning. Oh god, what was that movie where
the little kid says the F word? Oh Christmas story, Judge, Yeah,
(43:37):
I had a Christmas story moment, oh fudge, But I
didn't say fudge because I realized I wasn't sure exactly
where I was, which is pretty key information if you
want to read a map effectively. I also didn't have
topographical information, and as we all know, strolling on relatively
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flat terrain is way easier and way cooler than accidentally
going up and down a mountain, a cliff, a ravine.
So I just I'm sharing that just to emphasize the
point that.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Practice, how'd you say.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
It, practice makes permanent.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Practice makes permanent love it. So with that, we're going
to move through some emails pretty quickly here for time,
and we'll see if we have if we've got our
Jimmy's about us and want to do some letters from home.
At the end, we've already had fantastic, phenomenal and disturbing
(44:38):
responses to chapter one of our Jeffrey Epstein Update. Chapter
two will have published by the time you're hearing this
listener mail program. So one thing that we noticed, we're
hearing from folks like Samuel or Solar Boarden or steel Wolf.
(45:01):
We're seeing a pattern of people responding to our exploration
of the controversial videotape or the tape footage released by
the doj Us government at all. It's a tape not
of Jeffrey Epstein's cell, but outside of the cell. Analysts
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working with Wired and Wall Street Journal and a bevy
of other folks have proven that the tape is not
what it was sold as to the American people. And
with this, I think we should go to just one
letter that shows us the vein of thinking here and
why there may be more to the story of the tape.
(45:47):
This is steel Wolf. Steel Wolf, you say, hello, guys,
I've listened to you all for close to a decade.
I am ex military and I have worked at the
White House for two presidents. I have a long list,
but these are relevant. I also worked for a three
letter agency in Korea and Maryland and obviously still Wolf.
(46:08):
You mean CNN, that's the three letter agency to whom
you refer. You say, I have always thought of writing,
but this one made me reach out. An old friend
and I have discussed this from the first term in office,
and we expected him, meaning the current president, to have
smarter people working for him, and we're relieved that he
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had not collaborated better. There is speculation between us that
he again, the current president has corrected that failing in
numerous regards. If old school individuals were involved, they would
have released the Epstein video the way it was knowingly
and intentionally. Let's pause there, Let's think about it. Because
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the idea that we could so easily find discrepancies in
the story makes it a headline. It gives people a
mystery to unpack. It's sort of like the old anecdote
of a teenager who doesn't want their parents to know
they're smoking weed, so they leave a cigarette butt around
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to be discovered. The parent feels like they're finding a secret, right,
but they're not finding the real thing.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So Bazar.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Maybe we'll go a little bit further and then let's
open it up here. Stele Wolf, you say this has
people focused on discussing the video as it is the
only thing they have to discuss. It plays into the
way true news is reported. You all pointed out all
the other items like from the camera to the guard
shift changes, but that speculation and discussion will be limited
(47:47):
and not what most people will remember. There are people
still researching this and they may not find all the
actual proof. However, if three to six months later the
whole video is released show nothing or just the one
person leaving, the majority of people will just accept. As
you all know, this is not the first and regardless
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of how this event plays out, it will not be
the last. Now let's stop there. You guys, what do
you think of this, this theory or this line of
thought that there may be more to the story of
how the video was released.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
It feels undoubtedly the case that there's something of this
breadcrumbing technique. It just seems like classic subterfuge, you know,
classic distraction, give them just enough to shut them up.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Well, yeah, and the way it was done. If you
release this video in this fashion, that's clearly stitched together.
It gives you an opportunity, as Steele Wolf is saying,
to release the actual unedited one. But that actual unedited
one could be a completely recreated video. You know, you
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could you could make you could do so much. In
the amount of time that this video has been in
the news and through the cycle and everything, it could
be used as a smoke screen for whatever actual activities
are being done right now. That makes sense, it certainly.
It certainly caught my my attention really well. So I
feel like a sucker a bit.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
When do you think we're gonna have the first confirmed
use of deep fakes by the government uncovered?
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Do you think that's gonna happen?
Speaker 9 (49:32):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Stalin era? You know, that guy was a legend of
the air photoshop manual photoshop.
Speaker 6 (49:37):
But I just mean in this era, like, do you
think we're going we're going to have some sort of uh,
you know, scandal involving faked information released by the government
to cover something up.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
One hundred percent, Yeah, it'll be in retrospect.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Greeny security footage would certainly be a good starting point
the candidate because you wouldn't be able to prove exactly
that it's that person. But you know, you could say, well,
there's that is the person. There's Emstein walking right there.
He's fine.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Yeah, And if the camera is far enough away, you
could just color it a few pixels, you know what
I mean, bigfoot style. That's that's who got into the cell. Look,
I don't think anybody is being a sucker by looking
at this video stuff, right, like looking at the metadata.
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As we discussed, as the analyst and the journalist explored,
these are questions that need to be asked. And what
I think steel Wolf and several of our other fellow
listeners are asking about now is a sort of meta
narrative question, right, Like we're saying you, guys saw we
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responded to steel Wolf directly via email.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
How'd you put it?
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
We put it the same way too. The idea that
you could by time from the news cycle, right, you can?
You can?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
You know, you can be the kid who is hiding
the fact that you're smoking weed by being quote unquote
discovered leaving a cigarette butt around. You know, you gave
people a contained mystery to solve. We don't know if
that's true, personally, guys, I suspect it is not implausible, right,
especially if we're talking about this new era of skullduggery
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and shenanigans. It's not that hard to fake stuff, right,
and we use the term deep fake, but I think
in this case, deep fake makes it sound more difficult
than it is. You can just regular fake the news
at this point totally.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we're not to mention that, like,
just this this culture of deep fake and of AI
and all this stuff has just created a palpable sense
of distrust in anything that people see. So it's easier
than ever to say don't trust what you see.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well, okay, so let's stay on that pathway, because this
is really interesting. So today, on Tuesday, August nineteenth, when
we're recording this, the Justice Department is beginning to, like
today send records to the House Oversight Committee. And I
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wonder if that thing, the compartmentalization of the House Oversight
Committee right from the Department of Justice getting those files.
Do you think that's another way to kind of seem
as though something's happening, seem as though they're just transparency.
But ultimately it all goes to the House Oversight Committee
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and then they will choose what is disseminated or not.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Yeah, there's definitely a difference between performative progress, the appearance
of progress, and actually moving forward on things like this.
You can always buy more time in the relentless news cycle. So,
you know, one of the difficult things about what philosophers
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and pundits sometimes called post truth politics.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
One of the most difficult things is.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
The nineteen eighty four term is it not just yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:21):
One of the most difficult things is the idea of
figuring out, parsing out, sussing out what to focus on. Right,
we were talking with the excellent Danish Schwartz and Lizzie
Logan about their newest podcast, Hoax, And in that conversation
we came across a really interesting idea. Is it easier
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or more difficult to perpetrate a hoax to mislead the
public now that it was in say, we'll go back
to it in the fourteen hundreds. Right in the fourteen
hundreds instead of the New York Times, you had the
town crier and you kind of had to hope that
guy was on the up and up. Is it I'm
really interested in your thoughts here, guys. Is it easier
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to pull the wool over the public guy now than
it was in the Middle Ages or is it more difficult.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm gonna say it was really easy then, because just
of how information gets out there and share, right.
Speaker 6 (54:25):
Draw a convincing picture of a person, and all of
a sudden they're a criminal, right, like slap them on
a wanted poster, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Like all you needed was a little power authority and
just say something happened, and it happened.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
You know, we're just a little bit of riz, you know,
like I used to rock up to Bavaria and just say, yeah,
I'm Baron von Herringbone, which is a name I made up,
but nobody else could travel to checking On from Bavaria.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, from earlier.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
That's a that's a real tongue twister. It's a lot,
I think.
Speaker 6 (55:00):
I think when we asked that question on that episode
of Ridiculous History with Dana and her co host made
when we were having that conversation on Ridiculous History, was
that it's sort of.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Like yes and no.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
It's easier now, but it's yes and no for so
many things, Like on the one hand, we have access
to the entirety of the wealth of human civilizations, knowledge
and lessons learned, and historical precedent and everything. But on
the other hand, it's all so clouded and convoluted with
bull crap and misdirection and all of these distractions that
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it's almost like we might as well not have the
information depending on who you are and how easily distracted
or you know, misled you might be. And it's not
saying people are stupider now or we're stupid back then,
even it's just it's just different. And I think we're
just living in this culture of deceit and disbelief and
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that can be weaponized by bad actors.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
It's an interesting concept to think about the reaction to
something that occurs, right, the wold being pulled over our
eyes and then you find out, right, how do you
guys think it's harder to get a physical, actual reaction
from people now to something that occurs like that, or
then it would be then you can get the pitchforks
and everything. I feel like maybe that is much harder
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to do now.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Talking about desensitization of encountering topical stories in a post
truth politics environment, right, so much anxiety of what can
be accepted as a fact. The world is ending somewhere
for someone every day it's always Halloween in America. I
am emotionally exhausted from the existential crisis of Tuesday, and
(56:53):
now I have to learn about some new horrible stuff
on Wednesday. Please just show me some videos of that
guy in Thailand who rescues street dogs. Let me put
my head in the sand and check out for just
the moment. That is very much real.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Well, it is, and we're also like, we're uniquely in
a place where we could verify and cross reference and
fact check most things, but people just don't. They just
believe the headline if it's inflammatory enough or if it
supports their particular worldview enough. So I think that's what
I was getting at, where it's this yes and no, like, yeah,
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we have access to everything we need to be smarter,
but we just choose not to do it to use
it because we're like so kind of easily spellbound by
this kind of throwaway culture of like, you know, little
nuggets of information and headlines and stuff.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
And to add on to that, everybody listening there is
another there is a meta grift afoot. And I don't
know if it's a conspiracy. I just think it's unfair
to everyone who is tuning in everyone who is trying
to live their life.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Evening to evening.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
The burden of the truth is now on the consumer, right,
just like so many other things in the United States
and in modern human civilization.
Speaker 5 (58:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (58:18):
The clever conspiracy of recycling, for instance, was that it
put the burden of the environmental damage of plastic onto
the consumer instead of on the companies. So they're very
in a similar way, not to sound too academia about it,
but in a similar way, the burden of proving the
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truth has been placed on the civilian, right, on the audience,
on the person who already probably has a job.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (58:51):
So people are not holding the media accountable. People are
very much not holding the government accountable to things that
are supposed to be a source of discourse and truth.
And this is not to denigrate all the very hard
working politicians, especially at a local level in your neck
(59:13):
of the global woods. This is not to denigrate the
journalists who are increasingly out there risking their lives to
speak truth to power. But this is saying that I
think it's a grift. I think the post truth society
is quite unfair to the average human being.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
See, there's a really interesting story in the news right
now that meets up in all of those places been
with the I don't know the full story, but the
Democrats and Republicans fighting in Texas about.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Redistricting and here's a hall pass.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, there's the story about Nicole Collier who's a representative
there in one of the areas, and she refused to
s sign a piece of paper where the state troopers
were going to monitor every one of the lawmakers, like
as they left and then where yeah, escort, but and
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escort twenty four hours, right, So she refuses to sign
a paper that said that. So now I guess she
stayed the night in the courthouse or something, or wherever
where it is they do their business, and she's not
going to be able to leave, I guess because she's
refusing this kind of police presence, which is just an
interesting place where it's government and the police in one thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I don't know, right, And then tomorrow there will be
another disaster. The world is ended somewhere. Every day it
is always Halloween in America. This sounds vague, but it
makes more and more sense the more you think about it.
I'd love to hang out with our buddy George. Unfortunately
he has passed. It would have been cool to hear
(01:00:57):
what he thought about this. So in lieu of talking
with George, maybe we end here on a quote from him.
In the end, the party would announce that two and
two made five, and you would have to believe it.
It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner
or later. The logic of their position demanded it. Not
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merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of
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And we have returned with the aforementioned message from mister
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Sorry audio nerd joke. Here we go.
Speaker 6 (02:31):
Hi boys, mister Delay here again. As always, feel free
to read or paraphrase my message on the air, mister Delay.
We would never presume to paraphrase your words only verbatim.
For mister Delay, I just listened to your classic episode
on bug out bags and thought i'd have some advice
and insight to share for my time serving as a
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combat medic in the US Army. Apologies for the length
of my message, No apologies needed, mister Delay. It helps
us fill the time with a fantastic information from you.
Anyone wanting the latest and greatest trauma medicine guidelines that
the military has to offer should look up the most
updated TCCC, graciously pronounced TC three or Tactical Combat Casualty Guidelines.
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But I'll go over the basics here, only including things
I think an average Joe could accomplish with a bit
of practice and luck. Traumatic emergency and battlefield wounds should
be addressed in order of March. Boy, do we love
an acronym here and stuff they don't want you to
know that stands for massive hemorrhaging airway respiration circulation hypothermia,
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which could also be like a really cool like black
metal song title massive hemorrhaging. The first step is to
staunch the bleeding, usually with a tourniquet applied two to
three inches above the wound. Always remember to write down
the time the tourniquet is applied. Interesting, if bleeding persists
(04:01):
apply a second tourniquit right by the first one. Do
you guys know about that? About writing down the time?
That is fascinating and the idea of a second tourniquet.
I think we can chat about these one by one,
maybe a little bit. Turniquets freaked me out, by the way,
all I have to give blood, but I have blood
drawn relatively frequently, and my least favorite part of it
(04:24):
is the tournique because the pressure of it and just
kind of feeling my precious bodily fluids being drained from
me with that pressure.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
It really freaks me out.
Speaker 6 (04:33):
But I was actually recently told that I have good
veins and that if I'd only said something, she wouldn't
have needed to use the tournique, So you know, I
learned something there. But this is a different kind of
use of a tourniquet in order to help staunch the bleeding. Yeah,
what did you know about the idea of a second tourniquit, ben,
And also making note of the time. I imagine it's
just a way of gauging the whether it's working or not.
Speaker 4 (04:54):
Yeah. The the timing I'm laughing out of a lack
of comfort here. So the timing is key, as you
said here, mister delay, because when help arrives, and hopefully
help does come, you need to be able to have
a record of what happened, right of how long the
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person or the patient or the victim has been in
this situation.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
This TCCC is.
Speaker 4 (05:27):
Invaluable, which is one of the reasons we so greatly
appreciate your email, mister Delay.
Speaker 3 (05:33):
And we also know I think we need to note.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
That as mister Delay says, Lay Lay Lay says, says, says,
these are just the basics. Please do read more regarding this,
hopefully before you need to know it. And then, as
you said, we'll continue point by point.
Speaker 7 (05:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah, And I just want to say too, I mean,
mister Delay really did do a great job of curating
some super useful tips. And I mean I'm no field medic,
to be sure, I really have very little medical knowledge period,
so this is all really good information for me. But
I think I always assume the tourniquit was applied to
the wound, which is clearly very very wrong. So good
(06:15):
on you, mister Delay, for schooling me there. Let's go
to the second point here, airway the a in March.
Next step is to secure the airway, and I think
if anyone's watching any medical dramas, that's always a big
point when the first responders show up is clearing the airway,
making sure that it is unobstructive. If the patient is
unconscious and has vomit or blood in their mouth, turn
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them to let it pour out. Note if the patient
suffered a fall, or you suspect any neck or spinal trauma,
ensure that the head is held forward, which would be
using one of those brace kind of things. I think
that you see EMTs putting individuals into to keep the
neck straight so it doesn't exacerbate any kind of neck
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or spinal injury. This is in line with the rest
of the body. And then turn the whole body as
a unit with some help from a partner hopefully you have.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
That's one of those things that you see in films
and TV shows all the time where when somebody suffers
some kind of fall or some kind of injury like
get hit by a car or something, you'll usually hear
one character say no, don't move them, right, that's the
concept of you're going to cause more harm by simply
moving them, especially with the head and body connection there
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at the.
Speaker 5 (07:32):
Neck for sure.
Speaker 6 (07:36):
So moving on to the R in march, which is respiration.
Any penetrating chest wounds should have a chest seal applied,
essentially a thin barrier to act as skin to keep
air out of the chest. In a pinch, a square
piece of plastic, a chip bag, anything intact that will
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move with the chest as it spans and contracts secured
on all sides with tape chip back. Okay, if the
patient is struggling to breathe, it is likely air has
gotten into their chest and is pressing on their lungs.
And this is one of the most squiggy out things
that I see in these types of depictions in film
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and TV. Tear one side of the chest, seal to
burp it and then reseal it. And the next one
is the thing I'm talking about.
Speaker 5 (08:25):
It that doesn't work.
Speaker 6 (08:26):
We need a needle decompression, and oftentimes you will see
an improvised one of those. This is me not paraphrasing,
but just adding like a ballpoint pen that you remove
the pen part of and crack open one side and
then pierce through the sternum and then that allows, you know,
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the air to escape. A needle decompression maybe need to
be says, but any brave or desperate souls in the
audience can check out the t CCC guidelines for more instructions.
But I think that's what we're talking about, y'all, is
that that very very gnarly emergency act of you know,
using an improvised device around to penetrate the chest and
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then release any air bubbles.
Speaker 4 (09:13):
It's portrayed not often accurately in film and fiction. It's
it's an ugly thing that we see happen, but it
can save lives. And this no mister delay, fellow listeners
be This leads us to the next see on the list,
(09:37):
which is circulation.
Speaker 6 (09:40):
Circulation, indeed the sea in March uh and that goes
like this. If the patient is not in shock, the
wound is not an amputation, and the wound can be
closely monitored. The wound should be filled with homeostatic gauze
and wrapped in addressing. Try to find the exact spot
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that the wound is coming from and press the gauze
into it hard. And I imagine when he says coming
from that would be like the bleeding and the sort
of deepest part of the wound, and press gauz into
it hard. If your fingers aren't hurting, you're not pressing
hard enough. That's got a smart for the person being pressed.
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This should be done less than two hours after the
aforementioned tournique is applied. At which point the tourniquet can
be released. Don't do this if more than six hours
have passed, and try to get it done in less
than two.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Again to the point about noting the time the tourniquet
is applied when later medical care occurs. This stuff might
be disturbing to a lot of us, but again, as
mister Delay surely knows, it is way better to know
about this stuff now while you're listening from the safety
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of your home or your car, or your helicopter or
where else are people when they're listening to the.
Speaker 6 (11:05):
Show, you guys, hovercraft, dirigible, dirigible, perhaps a segue or
some other personal ambulatory device.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Yeah, no, wherever you're at, this is super helpful stuff.
Speaker 6 (11:18):
Finally, we have the h in march, which is hypothermia
just a biggie In certain climates. Blood is one of
the primary ways the body maintains temperature. Minimize patient's exposure
to cold, replacing wet clothing and wrap in a blanket.
Speaker 5 (11:35):
I mean we know.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
Now quickly wet clothing given a frigid environment can lower
the body's temperature, which is absolutely a no no if
you are suffering from some kind of physical trauma. So yeah,
replace the wet clothing, or even remove it and wrap
in a blanket if able to do so.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
This feels like essent stuff, guys, and I don't know
how or why any of us would actually get hit
with all of this information unless we were doing some
kind of military training, anything from the reserve to you know,
someone who's going into active duty somewhere. How this is
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just an available resource, right you can find this thing.
Speaker 5 (12:23):
I just found it. It's a it's a free pdf.
Speaker 6 (12:26):
You can literally just search for MILITARYTCCC and on Army DotMil.
It is the Tactical Combat Casualty Care Handbook, Version five.
It would appear that the most recent version came out
in twenty twenty three, so I don't think they're updated
like yearly necessarily, but it is definitely a full manual
(12:49):
that you get with illustrations and all kinds of helpful tips,
so you know, dig a little deeper if you want
to go beyond the kind of curated you know everyday
Joe pointers that mister Delay brought to us today.
Speaker 4 (13:03):
And you very much should, especially if you live in
the United States. You have already paid for this book
because it was sure made with your tax dollars. So
it's already a book you paid for. It's already some
guidance and insight that you have paid for. Please do
avail yourself of this information. We could also do a
(13:28):
great almost a book club on the essential field and
survival manuals. There are a ton of them out there,
not all as reliable.
Speaker 3 (13:41):
As the others.
Speaker 4 (13:43):
But it goes back to again, this is something you'll
agree with, mister delay. The concept of prior practice, right,
and how that prevents piss poor performance, planning ahead, and
these these kinds of resources are invaluable.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Here.
Speaker 4 (14:00):
Know, a lot of us who have heard our bug
out Bag one on one episode might be thinking, well, guys,
does this directly apply to a bug out bag?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 6 (14:12):
Well that pause, and yeah, there's certainly like you don't
want to have to use a chip bag for that chest,
you know whatever.
Speaker 4 (14:20):
You don't want to have to use a pen a
pen canister to pop an airway hole?
Speaker 7 (14:25):
Right?
Speaker 4 (14:26):
No?
Speaker 6 (14:26):
No, no, I mean so I think, yeah, this absolutely
applies to probably any kind of smart first aid kit
that you're even taking with you on like a camping
trip or like a significant hike, right, or some sort
of outdoor adventure people fall into ravines all the time,
you know, And if you don't have some of these
things and you're off the beaten path, you could absolutely
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be in a really really bad shape and potentially be
facing the worst possible outcome.
Speaker 4 (14:54):
Yeah, And the thing is, all the cool gear and
kit that you might have in a bug out bag
is essentially going to be worthless if you don't know
how to use it. Like, think of it this way.
Let's say we're all all of us together, right, we
are magically people from the fourteen hundreds, and we have
(15:19):
robbed what's a store you would rob in the fourteen hundreds,
the apothecary?
Speaker 6 (15:24):
Absolutely, yes, Ok, perhaps we haberdashery.
Speaker 4 (15:28):
All right, we've robbed the habit dash of Apothecary and
oh yeah, we're selling where they're selling drugged headgear. And
so we've robbed this place and we are trying to
make a getaway and we're running and instead of a
(15:48):
horse and a wagon, we see nineteen fifty seven Cadillac. Awesome,
great car. But we don't know how to drive a
car because we're from the fourteen hundreds, So do you know.
Speaker 6 (16:02):
How to drive?
Speaker 5 (16:03):
I don't know what any of this it does not
really wired.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
Not everyone knows how to do everything.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's very true, but that's a that's a somewhat over
elaborate scene painting there of exactly what you can run
into if you have a really dope first aid kit
or first responder ability, and you have all the toys
and you have all the all the needed tools, if
you don't know how to use them, then you're a
(16:32):
person in the fourteen hundreds trying to drive a Cadillac.
Speaker 6 (16:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, you know who knows how to shift
gears on one of those things? Yeah, I just this
this this is a phrase or this old adage occurred
to me and it doesn't quite apply here, but I
think it still works to mention an ounce of prevention
is worth a pound of cure. However, in a pinch,
that pound of cure is going to be really, really,
really necessary. And I did also want to mention that
(16:57):
you can find a sort of abridged version of the
T three C that is more of a quick reference guide.
Speaker 5 (17:05):
And honestly, I mean.
Speaker 6 (17:07):
This is the kind of thing that you probably want
to have printed and laminated and having your bug out
bag because phone batteries die. You don't want to just
be stuck with having only a PDF version on your device.
I think a hard copy of this would be really
really useful.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
Yeah, yeah, go a step further right, tape it to
the passenger side dashboard of your car so that when
people hop in, it's the first thing they know.
Speaker 5 (17:33):
They know you're getting ready.
Speaker 3 (17:34):
Yeah, yes, they know what's up.
Speaker 4 (17:37):
And there's another point that mister Delay hits us up
on that we responded to directly, that is not TCCC,
but is equally important.
Speaker 6 (17:50):
Yeah, and it's one that I think you put forth
in a previous episode.
Speaker 5 (17:54):
I can't remember.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
It was probably on the bug out Bag episode, but
it's something that comes up often. One final note, mister
Delay says you mentioned Ben mentioned in fact that a
map or compass are the best navigation tools since they
don't need power or a connection. And to the previous
point about a hard copy, things that don't require power
or a connection out in the field, out in the
wilderness always going to be your best friend, because you
(18:16):
know what happens when a phone dies. It becomes a
really expensive brick, which could maybe be useful in certain situations,
but not in the ones that the device was intended for.
I agree, but I cannot emphasize enough that land navigation
is a skill, and a surprisingly perishable one at that.
I remember soldiers, including myself, getting lost all the time.
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Anyone serious about depending on those tools should practice with
them at least once a month, if not more. Y'all,
what would be a good way to go about practicing
with those tools that isn't putting you in peril or
in harm's way. Maybe just taking them with you on
a hike, you know, Like I went on a nice
bike ride on this really cool silver Comet trail that
(18:58):
goes all the way from Atlanta to Alabama. You get
into some woody areas, but it is you know, populated,
and there's plenty of foot traffic and people around. So
something like that, you know, to see kind of which
direction you're going. Compare that to the direction of the sun,
et cetera. Things like that.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Maybe, Yeah, I love silver Commet by the way, Yeah,
I think that's a great way to think through this.
When we say perishable, just to step back for a moment.
When we say perishable, we mean that you could find
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yourself lost in the woods right in a situation. You
could have the map, but maybe it's dark, right, so
you can't just look up into the sky and say, oh,
the sun is here. Therefore this is west or east,
and therefore that is south or north. You may need
to rely on a compass at a map, and depending
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on the level of accuracy you need, you might be
surprised how how much it is not like riding a bike.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
It.
Speaker 6 (20:08):
Yeah, since I'm throwing out old timey adages, another one
that comes to mind is practice not makes perfect, but
makes permanent, because without practicing something and repeating in action
over and over again, it is never going to become
a habit, despite how comfortable you feel with it.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
You know conceptually, but the uncomfortable part of that is
that if you practice something wrong, you will do it
wrong good way. Something my kids are learning in karate
just about if you you know, if you throw that
sidekick just a little wrong, but that's how you go
home and do it. Whoop, your sidekick is not going
to be right.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
No, totally and well huge thanks to mister delay, and
I think we went a little bit short on this one.
I just wanted to ask you something, both of y'all,
just on a personal level. You're talking about karate a
close family member, not my actual kid, but my kid's
kid's sister is getting bullied school by someone who is
into taekwondo and is using their taekwondo as bullying tactics.
(21:07):
And I think the smart move would be to report
this to their sensey because that is the kind of
thing that those teachers are so against on a fundamental level,
and I think they would be the one to maybe
cut them down to side a little bit and put
them in their place, because mom and dad don't seem
to be doing I'm just wondering what y'all thought it
would work.
Speaker 4 (21:27):
Yeah, you should do that immediately, because if you're if
you were using those skills to start a fight, then
you are not listening to the message or sense was
teaching you.
Speaker 5 (21:38):
Yeah, one hundred percent.
Speaker 6 (21:39):
I mean it's my understanding that this is the kind
of skill set that you attain so that you can
defend yourself and defend others, you know, who are being
bullied or abused or attacked. So this is not Nobody
is meant to get these skills so that they can
just kick ass and take names.
Speaker 5 (21:55):
That's not the name of game.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
The kid could be attending the Cobra Kai.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
Yeah, so my kid sort of niece.
Speaker 5 (22:05):
I guess you call her maybe just needs to learn
do the crane.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
Yeah exactly, Then you're good.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Wax on, wax off.
Speaker 5 (22:11):
Indeed, Oh for sure, no question about it. Well, let's
take a quick pause.
Speaker 6 (22:15):
Thanks again, mister d hear a word from our sponsor,
and then we'll be back with some more messages from you.
Speaker 2 (22:26):
And we've returned. Guys, we had something very interesting occur.
We had a caller in early early July July second,
and if this caller said some things, told a story.
It was kind of one of those friend of a
friend's stories. We all know those, right where it's almost
like a rumor or something. When this person called in.
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And it's not that we didn't take it seriously, it's
just it's one of those unverifiable things. It's there's not
a primary or even secondary source of information. It's a
friend of a friend. So it's tough to even know
what to believe when you're hearing a story like that.
So we kind of let it slip by, and then
this person called back after some developments. So we're going
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to listen first to the message that came to us
on July second, of this year, and then we'll listen
to the follow up after that. So here we go.
Here's the first message from July second.
Speaker 7 (23:26):
Hi, y'all, I got off the phone with a friend
that I really trust, and she was telling me.
Speaker 8 (23:35):
How she has a friend who she's really concerned about
because he's been drinking really heavily recently and he is
a data intelligent analysis something like that for the Navy,
which means that he has clearance.
Speaker 7 (23:51):
And she told me that he let it slit that
he got deployed to DC and that's when his drinking
started up. And he's reserved too, so he's not active,
he's reserved and got deployed. And she says that he
can't really talk about it, but some of the things
that he says, it just kind of sounds like he's
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worried about what he has to do against the American people.
I have no clue. I could completely be fear hungering
right now. And this is just hearsay, but I find
it very interesting that minimum a maybe reservist was activated
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and sent to DC. Yeah, so weird. Thank y'all so much.
I hope you have a good night.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
Okay, So, this anonymous person you know, heard from a
friend this really troubling sounding development situation and decided to
call us and leave that message on your You know,
if you knew nothing about the news right now, what
would you guys think about that?
Speaker 5 (25:02):
I think I'm a little confused.
Speaker 6 (25:05):
This is about someone being like under trauma because of
their deployment and triggering a drinking problem.
Speaker 2 (25:13):
It's someone who is Navy Reserve who works in data intelligence,
deployed to Washington, d C. And was drinking heavily and
talking to his friends about how he's worried he's going
to have to do things he doesn't want to do.
At least, that's the gist of the message that I got.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
I get it.
Speaker 6 (25:30):
Yeah, okay, so a little bit of yeah, maybe some
stress involved in the heavy drinking as well. Hmm, do
some things that he doesn't want to do?
Speaker 5 (25:39):
What do you think that might mean?
Speaker 2 (25:41):
Well, specifically, at least in the message, Colors says to
the American people like against the American people, gathering intelligence
for some future action. Again, this is July second of
this year. Let's go to the follow up, I guess
and we will hear what the person has to say.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
I call y'all, as soon as I saw how the
National Guard has been deployed into d C about a
month ago. I don't know if y'all remember, but I
called y'all to let you know how my friend is
the National Guard, had told me how he had been
brought up to d C to gather intel and he
had been drinking really bad because he told me he
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was turning against the American people. It's happened. What's happening
in DC is just to start. His drinking is getting worse,
and what he's slipping is getting worse. There's a reason
why this is just the first place, and he's been
up there four months gathering intel. I don't know what's
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going to happen next, but I do hope y'all do
a story about this. The National Guard has been in
DC intel for a hot minute now. On where they're
deploying DC is to start. Sorry, I got real into
I hope y'all have a fabulous night.
Speaker 6 (26:59):
Yeah, I think I've been burying my head in the
sand a little bit about the potential future versions of
what's going on in DC.
Speaker 2 (27:08):
Well, it's certainly troubling, I think from an objective standpoint, right,
it's it's either troubling because there's a massive crime wave
occurring in cities across the country that needs to be
assisted by you know, national guardsmen, or there's seems to
(27:29):
be a movement here to rationalize and normalize you know,
troops with weapons on streets in American cities to self
police in some kind of weird way. We've talked about
a little bit on the show already. It is really weird,
I think, just to hear one person's perspective, you know,
as it's happening before, and then as it's occurring now,
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and then potentially having information from someone who's not dealing
with it so well, right, who's being told to do
this or this is you know, we have to be
objective as well with the whole thing, right, as much
as we can. Just from what this caller is even saying.
Speaker 6 (28:11):
Those crime stats certainly don't seem to bear out though
from everything that I'm seeing. I don't know if y'all
are seeing differently, but like it's my understanding, the crime
rates in DC are a historic low, and it's being rationalized,
used as a rationalization to do this deployment, and that
I could see that being a tactic used elsewhere.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yes, we can jump to Al Jazeera if we want to,
just to get a little bit of data on this.
This occurred on August twelfth, the President announced that the
federal government would take control of the District of Columbia
Metropolitan Police Department to address surgeon crime. We've got a
quote here, This is from the President. I'm announcing a
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historic action to rescue our nation's capital from crime, bloodshed, bedlam,
and squalor and worse. This is Liberation Day in DC,
and we're going to take our capital back under the
authorities vested in me as the President of the United States.
I'm officially invoking Section seven forty of the District of
Columbia Home Rule Act in placing the DC Metropolitan and
Police Department under direct federal control. It was also announced
(29:16):
at the time that he would be deploying National Guard
and if we jump to August nineteen, we've got a
list here from the Hill of the different states that
are sending National Guard troops to Washington, d C. Louisiana
is sending one hundred and thirty five members of the
Louisiana National Guard. Mississippi two hundred soldiers from the Mississippi
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National Guard Tennessee one hundred and sixty personnel. West Virginia
is sending three hundred to four hundred quote skilled personnel.
South Carolina is sending two hundred National guardsmen, and Ohio
one hundred and fifty military police from the National Guard.
I think maybe the most troubling thing is that when
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you look at a lot of the reporting from various sources,
including Fox News and other places like that, that tend
to lean towards maybe the president and the administration. Everybody
is pointing out that it's an objective fact that crime
rates in specifically Washington, DC are low. There was a
(30:23):
spike several years ago in crime, and that is kind
of how crime statistics work, right. Crime statistics can be
a very political thing.
Speaker 5 (30:33):
There's a delay in reporting tools.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
There is, and you can goose numbers pretty well depending
on what you want to have happen. Who's in charge,
who's the mayor, you know, does the mayor align with
whatever the governor or things like.
Speaker 3 (30:47):
That, just like unemployment numbers.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
Oh yeah, all of these numbers and statistics to get
thrown around that people get enraged about or scared about
and all that stuff. It's stuff that can be used
to make you feel a certain way that hopefully you
will either vote or support or be against something. Right,
We just got to keep that in mind as we
see all this stuff. The action itself, though, to declare
(31:11):
an emergency and then have that kind of presence, I
think is maybe the weirdest thing, just getting people used
to seeing soldiers from your country on streets in the
city where you live, you know, with some of them armed,
some of them not armed, but making arrests alongside you know,
(31:32):
police officers, local police officers, and the FBI all kind
of working together as this big thing.
Speaker 6 (31:40):
But apparently there's also a real weird hierarchical disconnect between
those agencies in these kinds of situations, or specifically now
where it's like kind of unclear who's in charge and
a lot of things get lost in.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
The shuffle of the chaos of an act like this.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Yes, and we've seen out of the BBC a lot
of other reporting that the mayor there in Washington, d C.
Mayor Muriel Bowser, who happens to be on the other
side of the aisle than the presidential administration, pushing back
and saying, hey, this we can't do this. It's not
going exactly the way the announcement. The initial announcement said
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it was going to go with, you know, specifics of
how the police departments, who they report to and everything.
But it is convoluted now at this point and a
bit strange, and you got to do some digging to
actually see where is the chain of command and how
does then the FBI figure into that, and where does
the National Guard figure into that? It's a bit strange.
Speaker 6 (32:36):
Is this also like a logical or a spiritual successor
to what happened in Los Angeles? Like and you know
in terms of deploying the Guard without the permission of
the mayor, without any That's what I meant the excuse me,
But just like in Los Angeles during that whatever period
of unrest, I guess as it was described, there was
a lot of to do made about, you know how
it was kind of an overarching act that didn't really
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have precedent.
Speaker 4 (33:02):
Tit interjector there is an interesting parallel and a series
of breadcrumbs we can lay because if I recall correctly
the last time, so the issue with the Marines is
that they were deployed despite the protestations of the Governor
of California, Gavin Newsom. In the DC case, there is
(33:27):
a more recent precedent, right, because the National Guard was
last deployed a few years ago on a sunny day
in January. January sixth, twenty twenty one, was the last
time the ng got gathered up and posse together in
(33:49):
DC and Anonymous caller, thank you so much for following up.
Sorry have been a little bit quiet in this part
of our listener mail program. It's because there is a
lot to think about, and I'd like for us to
do an episode on this as a follow up to
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our episode years back on the militarization of police forces.
One thing that I think is key to understand to
get past the headlines here folks, for you, Anonymous caller,
and for all of us listening, whether you are civilian,
(34:31):
veteran currently serving, you have to remember that if you
know somebody in the Guard, if you know someone in
the Marines, if you know someone in the military, the
last thing those folks want to do is be forced
to turn on citizens of the United States. The police
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are supposed to be doing that job. Not saying they're
turning on, but the police are supposed to interact with
civilians in a law keeping fashion. Military against the civilians
historically leads to bad things across governments, whatever stripe of
government we're talking about, not just democracy. So when we
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hear news, regardless of where it's coming from, let's be
very careful not to not to think of these people
serving as some monolithic entity. People in the National Guard.
I feel safe saying this. The vast majority don't wake
(35:35):
up every day saying, oh, I hope I can bruise
some heads somewhere. I can't wait for the potus to
send me to kick around homeless people.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
That is not the case, right.
Speaker 2 (35:47):
Yeah, But it's really tough because it's happening at the
same time that there are masked help you know, Homeland
Security folks and ICE folks in the same streets doing
raids where they are. You know, there have been so
many reports of the violence that's occurring with those guys,
and I think it's hard for maybe someone who is
a civilian who doesn't isn't exposed to a lot of
(36:10):
this stuff and doesn't have that perspective just watching all
of it occur and then trying to discern, like, well,
who's who and is anybody actually on the team of
people that's there to serve and protect or like, what
is happening and what is this? And I don't know.
It's just a lot of fear. I think that ends
up getting generated through that.
Speaker 4 (36:31):
Yeah, agreed, And the point I wanted to end on
there is the idea of constitutional crisis normalizing the presence
of armed forces against civilians, similar to our conversation about
the militarization of police that occurs in step with normalizing
(36:52):
the erosion of the constitution. Democracy is an active experiment, right,
we're cooking live, which means it is fragile and without
being alarmist, Dear anonymous caller, this does feel to me
like an episode, and unfortunately it feels like a timely episode.
(37:14):
There's so much more I want to say. I gotta
be careful on this one, guys, but I think stay
tuned and stay safe.
Speaker 2 (37:22):
There's a great piece in CNN that talks about the
nineteen sixty eight riots after the assassination of Martin Luther
King Junior. That's when riots in the streets were happening
in Washington, DC and there were a ton of fires,
there were it was chaos, and that is when the
National Guard was deployed there, perhaps most notably when there
(37:43):
was an actual emergency situation where the National Guard had
to in a large part, attempt to control civilians that
were pissed off and really angry and scared. And it
makes me nervous that something could happen where enough people
would be angry that they would want to protest or
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you know, go into the streets for one reason or
another sometime in the near future, and then there would
be this force. They would be met with this force again,
masked up and ready to rock against civilians.
Speaker 6 (38:19):
It seems like a lot of testing of the waters too,
Like how, you know, can we justify some of these
acts by throwing out these somewhat misused statistics and get
certain people towing the party line publicly? You know, there's
been a lot of talk on Capitol Hill from folks
talking about there's one particular lawmaker I can't remember the name,
(38:42):
but talking about how he drives around DC with his
seat belt on because he's afraid of a carjacking and
he doesn't want to, you know, be compromised. You know,
he's I don't care what you think about me, but
that's that scary here. And you know, and I was
listening to a conversation I think it was on the
Majority Report where the guest was talking who is like
(39:02):
a Capitol Hill kind of commentator who lives there, said
there certainly was a spike in carjackings in past years,
and there have been spikes in crime, but the way
it's being reported now feels much more hyperbolic than it
does feel like the reality on the streets that's happening today,
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and it seems more like cherry picking in order to
justify an act, and that kind of thing can happen anywhere.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
Yeah, crazy stuff, you guys. Thank you so much anonymous
person for just sending us those messages. If you are
out there and you hear something and you want to
tell us about it, we would love to hear.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:47):
Thanks again, and let's all be safe. We'll be right
back with more messages from you.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
And we have returned.
Speaker 4 (39:58):
We're going to do a quick double back, Dylan, I
defer to you Tennessee to give us whatever a double
back sound que sounds like perfect, that's real, trustful, we
do it in the edit, folks, why are we doubling back?
We're doubling back to our conversation with mister Delay, just
(40:21):
because it bears repeating the concept as you recall, as
you recall the concept of perishable land navigation skills, the
void does right back. We reached out to mister Delay,
and when we reach out on the email, you know
we can all we can all see this conversation. Wanted
(40:44):
to take a moment to be an account of Bill
a buddy with you, mister Delay, because we wholeheartedly agree
with your point about this perishability. And this prompted another
conversation that we've been having on and off again in
Strange News and listener Mail in episodes about automation and
(41:08):
technology and the cybernetic future of the human mind. It's
crazy because the normalization of cell and GPS technology has
put most folks from developed countries in a very tight spot.
One of my favorite examples that we use for this
when we were talking about AI was the advent of
(41:30):
accessible electronic calculators, right that resulted in this decline and
intermediate math skills, like when's the last time you guys
had to do some hand drawn long division.
Speaker 6 (41:43):
It's funny you say that I just had to order
a TI eight three for my kid, and it was
fun to see the way they're packaging them these days.
They're a little skinnier, a little sleeker, looking the same
old tie three. I wonder if you can still put
snake on it or drug wars.
Speaker 4 (41:56):
We should do a history of Texas Instruments. Gosh, what
a monopoly they have.
Speaker 5 (42:01):
Anila on prairie.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
Yeah, I love it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, did you make
that up?
Speaker 5 (42:07):
No, that's what they call it.
Speaker 3 (42:08):
Oh, that's amazing part of Texas.
Speaker 6 (42:11):
I wish there's a part of Texas that's where Texas
Instruments was based, that was referred to as the Silicon Prairie.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
Matt, have you when's the last time you've done some
I like saying hand drawn long division because it sounds
old timy.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (42:26):
Well, when you've got a kid going through like fourth grade,
heading in one in fifth grade, there's some long division
that you got to do to help the kids with
their stuff. So you got to remember it is not fun.
Speaker 5 (42:39):
I just prefer to use my trustee emicus.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
It's not like riding a bike. It's this is this is.
Speaker 4 (42:47):
Interesting because fellow conspiracy realist too, maybe of certain professional
acumen or a certain age, you are probably astonished by
how quickly generations after you became reliant on smartphones, right
on Texas instruments, on cell phones, on smartphone mapping. And
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this is the accountability part, mister Delay. As you know,
shared a story about two years back outside of the
United States where your faithful correspondent did have to use
a physical map in the dead of night and had
that stomach churning. Oh god, what was that movie where
the little kid says the F word? Oh Christmas story, Judge, Yeah,
(43:37):
I had a Christmas story moment, oh fudge, But I
didn't say fudge because I realized I wasn't sure exactly
where I was, which is pretty key information if you
want to read a map effectively. I also didn't have
topographical information, and as we all know, strolling on relatively
(43:58):
flat terrain is way easier and way cooler than accidentally
going up and down a mountain, a cliff, a ravine.
So I just I'm sharing that just to emphasize the
point that.
Speaker 3 (44:14):
Practice, how'd you say.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
It, practice makes permanent.
Speaker 4 (44:18):
Practice makes permanent love it. So with that, we're going
to move through some emails pretty quickly here for time,
and we'll see if we have if we've got our
Jimmy's about us and want to do some letters from home.
At the end, we've already had fantastic, phenomenal and disturbing
(44:38):
responses to chapter one of our Jeffrey Epstein Update. Chapter
two will have published by the time you're hearing this
listener mail program. So one thing that we noticed, we're
hearing from folks like Samuel or Solar Boarden or steel Wolf.
(45:01):
We're seeing a pattern of people responding to our exploration
of the controversial videotape or the tape footage released by
the doj Us government at all. It's a tape not
of Jeffrey Epstein's cell, but outside of the cell. Analysts
(45:25):
working with Wired and Wall Street Journal and a bevy
of other folks have proven that the tape is not
what it was sold as to the American people. And
with this, I think we should go to just one
letter that shows us the vein of thinking here and
why there may be more to the story of the tape.
(45:47):
This is steel Wolf. Steel Wolf, you say, hello, guys,
I've listened to you all for close to a decade.
I am ex military and I have worked at the
White House for two presidents. I have a long list,
but these are relevant. I also worked for a three
letter agency in Korea and Maryland and obviously still Wolf.
(46:08):
You mean CNN, that's the three letter agency to whom
you refer. You say, I have always thought of writing,
but this one made me reach out. An old friend
and I have discussed this from the first term in office,
and we expected him, meaning the current president, to have
smarter people working for him, and we're relieved that he
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had not collaborated better. There is speculation between us that
he again, the current president has corrected that failing in
numerous regards. If old school individuals were involved, they would
have released the Epstein video the way it was knowingly
and intentionally. Let's pause there, Let's think about it. Because
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the idea that we could so easily find discrepancies in
the story makes it a headline. It gives people a
mystery to unpack. It's sort of like the old anecdote
of a teenager who doesn't want their parents to know
they're smoking weed, so they leave a cigarette butt around
(47:14):
to be discovered. The parent feels like they're finding a secret, right,
but they're not finding the real thing.
Speaker 3 (47:22):
So Bazar.
Speaker 4 (47:25):
Maybe we'll go a little bit further and then let's
open it up here. Stele Wolf, you say this has
people focused on discussing the video as it is the
only thing they have to discuss. It plays into the
way true news is reported. You all pointed out all
the other items like from the camera to the guard
shift changes, but that speculation and discussion will be limited
(47:47):
and not what most people will remember. There are people
still researching this and they may not find all the
actual proof. However, if three to six months later the
whole video is released show nothing or just the one
person leaving, the majority of people will just accept. As
you all know, this is not the first and regardless
(48:08):
of how this event plays out, it will not be
the last. Now let's stop there. You guys, what do
you think of this, this theory or this line of
thought that there may be more to the story of
how the video was released.
Speaker 6 (48:25):
It feels undoubtedly the case that there's something of this
breadcrumbing technique. It just seems like classic subterfuge, you know,
classic distraction, give them just enough to shut them up.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
Well, yeah, and the way it was done. If you
release this video in this fashion, that's clearly stitched together.
It gives you an opportunity, as Steele Wolf is saying,
to release the actual unedited one. But that actual unedited
one could be a completely recreated video. You know, you
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could you could make you could do so much. In
the amount of time that this video has been in
the news and through the cycle and everything, it could
be used as a smoke screen for whatever actual activities
are being done right now. That makes sense, it certainly.
It certainly caught my my attention really well. So I
feel like a sucker a bit.
Speaker 6 (49:22):
When do you think we're gonna have the first confirmed
use of deep fakes by the government uncovered?
Speaker 5 (49:30):
Do you think that's gonna happen?
Speaker 9 (49:32):
Uh?
Speaker 4 (49:32):
Stalin era? You know, that guy was a legend of
the air photoshop manual photoshop.
Speaker 6 (49:37):
But I just mean in this era, like, do you
think we're going we're going to have some sort of uh,
you know, scandal involving faked information released by the government
to cover something up.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
One hundred percent, Yeah, it'll be in retrospect.
Speaker 2 (49:54):
Greeny security footage would certainly be a good starting point
the candidate because you wouldn't be able to prove exactly
that it's that person. But you know, you could say, well,
there's that is the person. There's Emstein walking right there.
He's fine.
Speaker 4 (50:09):
Yeah, And if the camera is far enough away, you
could just color it a few pixels, you know what
I mean, bigfoot style. That's that's who got into the cell. Look,
I don't think anybody is being a sucker by looking
at this video stuff, right, like looking at the metadata.
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As we discussed, as the analyst and the journalist explored,
these are questions that need to be asked. And what
I think steel Wolf and several of our other fellow
listeners are asking about now is a sort of meta
narrative question, right, Like we're saying you, guys saw we
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responded to steel Wolf directly via email.
Speaker 3 (50:55):
How'd you put it?
Speaker 1 (50:55):
Man?
Speaker 3 (50:56):
We put it the same way too. The idea that
you could by time from the news cycle, right, you can?
You can?
Speaker 4 (51:06):
You know, you can be the kid who is hiding
the fact that you're smoking weed by being quote unquote
discovered leaving a cigarette butt around. You know, you gave
people a contained mystery to solve. We don't know if
that's true, personally, guys, I suspect it is not implausible, right,
especially if we're talking about this new era of skullduggery
(51:30):
and shenanigans. It's not that hard to fake stuff, right,
and we use the term deep fake, but I think
in this case, deep fake makes it sound more difficult
than it is. You can just regular fake the news
at this point totally.
Speaker 6 (51:49):
Yeah, yeah, I mean we're not to mention that, like,
just this this culture of deep fake and of AI
and all this stuff has just created a palpable sense
of distrust in anything that people see. So it's easier
than ever to say don't trust what you see.
Speaker 2 (52:04):
Well, okay, so let's stay on that pathway, because this
is really interesting. So today, on Tuesday, August nineteenth, when
we're recording this, the Justice Department is beginning to, like
today send records to the House Oversight Committee. And I
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wonder if that thing, the compartmentalization of the House Oversight
Committee right from the Department of Justice getting those files.
Do you think that's another way to kind of seem
as though something's happening, seem as though they're just transparency.
But ultimately it all goes to the House Oversight Committee
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and then they will choose what is disseminated or not.
Speaker 3 (52:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (52:50):
Yeah, there's definitely a difference between performative progress, the appearance
of progress, and actually moving forward on things like this.
You can always buy more time in the relentless news cycle. So,
you know, one of the difficult things about what philosophers
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and pundits sometimes called post truth politics.
Speaker 3 (53:15):
One of the most difficult things is.
Speaker 5 (53:17):
The nineteen eighty four term is it not just yeah?
Speaker 4 (53:21):
One of the most difficult things is the idea of
figuring out, parsing out, sussing out what to focus on. Right,
we were talking with the excellent Danish Schwartz and Lizzie
Logan about their newest podcast, Hoax, And in that conversation
we came across a really interesting idea. Is it easier
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or more difficult to perpetrate a hoax to mislead the
public now that it was in say, we'll go back
to it in the fourteen hundreds. Right in the fourteen
hundreds instead of the New York Times, you had the
town crier and you kind of had to hope that
guy was on the up and up. Is it I'm
really interested in your thoughts here, guys. Is it easier
(54:11):
to pull the wool over the public guy now than
it was in the Middle Ages or is it more difficult.
Speaker 2 (54:18):
I'm gonna say it was really easy then, because just
of how information gets out there and share, right.
Speaker 6 (54:25):
Draw a convincing picture of a person, and all of
a sudden they're a criminal, right, like slap them on
a wanted poster, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2 (54:32):
Like all you needed was a little power authority and
just say something happened, and it happened.
Speaker 4 (54:38):
You know, we're just a little bit of riz, you know,
like I used to rock up to Bavaria and just say, yeah,
I'm Baron von Herringbone, which is a name I made up,
but nobody else could travel to checking On from Bavaria.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Yeah, from earlier.
Speaker 5 (54:55):
That's a that's a real tongue twister. It's a lot,
I think.
Speaker 6 (55:00):
I think when we asked that question on that episode
of Ridiculous History with Dana and her co host made
when we were having that conversation on Ridiculous History, was
that it's sort of.
Speaker 5 (55:07):
Like yes and no.
Speaker 6 (55:09):
It's easier now, but it's yes and no for so
many things, Like on the one hand, we have access
to the entirety of the wealth of human civilizations, knowledge
and lessons learned, and historical precedent and everything. But on
the other hand, it's all so clouded and convoluted with
bull crap and misdirection and all of these distractions that
(55:34):
it's almost like we might as well not have the
information depending on who you are and how easily distracted
or you know, misled you might be. And it's not
saying people are stupider now or we're stupid back then,
even it's just it's just different. And I think we're
just living in this culture of deceit and disbelief and
(55:56):
that can be weaponized by bad actors.
Speaker 2 (56:00):
It's an interesting concept to think about the reaction to
something that occurs, right, the wold being pulled over our
eyes and then you find out, right, how do you
guys think it's harder to get a physical, actual reaction
from people now to something that occurs like that, or
then it would be then you can get the pitchforks
and everything. I feel like maybe that is much harder
(56:23):
to do now.
Speaker 4 (56:25):
Talking about desensitization of encountering topical stories in a post
truth politics environment, right, so much anxiety of what can
be accepted as a fact. The world is ending somewhere
for someone every day it's always Halloween in America. I
am emotionally exhausted from the existential crisis of Tuesday, and
(56:53):
now I have to learn about some new horrible stuff
on Wednesday. Please just show me some videos of that
guy in Thailand who rescues street dogs. Let me put
my head in the sand and check out for just
the moment. That is very much real.
Speaker 6 (57:07):
Well, it is, and we're also like, we're uniquely in
a place where we could verify and cross reference and
fact check most things, but people just don't. They just
believe the headline if it's inflammatory enough or if it
supports their particular worldview enough. So I think that's what
I was getting at, where it's this yes and no, like, yeah,
(57:28):
we have access to everything we need to be smarter,
but we just choose not to do it to use
it because we're like so kind of easily spellbound by
this kind of throwaway culture of like, you know, little
nuggets of information and headlines and stuff.
Speaker 4 (57:45):
And to add on to that, everybody listening there is
another there is a meta grift afoot. And I don't
know if it's a conspiracy. I just think it's unfair
to everyone who is tuning in everyone who is trying
to live their life.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
Evening to evening.
Speaker 4 (58:07):
The burden of the truth is now on the consumer, right,
just like so many other things in the United States
and in modern human civilization.
Speaker 5 (58:18):
Right.
Speaker 4 (58:18):
The clever conspiracy of recycling, for instance, was that it
put the burden of the environmental damage of plastic onto
the consumer instead of on the companies. So they're very
in a similar way, not to sound too academia about it,
but in a similar way, the burden of proving the
(58:42):
truth has been placed on the civilian, right, on the audience,
on the person who already probably has a job.
Speaker 5 (58:51):
Right.
Speaker 4 (58:51):
So people are not holding the media accountable. People are
very much not holding the government accountable to things that
are supposed to be a source of discourse and truth.
And this is not to denigrate all the very hard
working politicians, especially at a local level in your neck
(59:13):
of the global woods. This is not to denigrate the
journalists who are increasingly out there risking their lives to
speak truth to power. But this is saying that I
think it's a grift. I think the post truth society
is quite unfair to the average human being.
Speaker 2 (59:33):
See, there's a really interesting story in the news right
now that meets up in all of those places been
with the I don't know the full story, but the
Democrats and Republicans fighting in Texas about.
Speaker 3 (59:46):
Redistricting and here's a hall pass.
Speaker 2 (59:49):
Yeah, there's the story about Nicole Collier who's a representative
there in one of the areas, and she refused to
s sign a piece of paper where the state troopers
were going to monitor every one of the lawmakers, like
as they left and then where yeah, escort, but and
(01:00:10):
escort twenty four hours, right, So she refuses to sign
a paper that said that. So now I guess she
stayed the night in the courthouse or something, or wherever
where it is they do their business, and she's not
going to be able to leave, I guess because she's
refusing this kind of police presence, which is just an
interesting place where it's government and the police in one thing.
Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I don't know, right, And then tomorrow there will be
another disaster. The world is ended somewhere. Every day it
is always Halloween in America. This sounds vague, but it
makes more and more sense the more you think about it.
I'd love to hang out with our buddy George. Unfortunately
he has passed. It would have been cool to hear
(01:00:57):
what he thought about this. So in lieu of talking
with George, maybe we end here on a quote from him.
In the end, the party would announce that two and
two made five, and you would have to believe it.
It was inevitable that they should make that claim sooner
or later. The logic of their position demanded it. Not
(01:01:18):
merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of
external reality was tacitly denied by their philosophy. WHOA we
should do it in that accident.
Speaker 3 (01:01:34):
In the end, the part would announce it two May
five sorows we're talking about orwell then George.
Speaker 6 (01:01:44):
Of course, some might argue that Soros is a bit
of an or figure as well as.
Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
Well, keep it, keep it, You're totally right.
Speaker 4 (01:01:55):
One of us has to take one for the team
and figure out a good George Soros accent.
Speaker 6 (01:02:01):
Who even sound like I've never heard the man speak,
doesn't even exist, billionaire Grecian dude.
Speaker 2 (01:02:08):
I found him at the World Economic Forum. I'm going
to see what he sounds like.
Speaker 4 (01:02:12):
Classic George Soros. So, while we are researching our George
Soros accent, for Dylan to do in the future.
Speaker 3 (01:02:22):
We're just gonna volunteer you for that one.
Speaker 4 (01:02:24):
But we uh, we do want to tell you that
in these divisive times where it's very difficult to separate
fact from fiction, to separate falsehoods from the truth, we
do have one thing that is very true that we
can tell you. We are going to do an episode
about the Bermuda Triangle live from the Bermuda.
Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Triangle because permission and everything.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
We're gonna do it with with the ocean, the vast ocean.
Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Deep.
Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Out there, We're gonna go deep on the deep and
they hope. Man, man, I'm a little freaked out, guys,
I know it's going to be. The folks at Virgin
Cruises are gonna take good care of us. Isn't it
funny that they call they call all their cruise passengers sailors.
That was new to me. I thought that was fun.
But I am a little nervous. I've never been on
a cruise before, never even been on a vessel of
this size. Is just like a pontoon boat or a ferry.
(01:03:20):
That's about my experience.
Speaker 4 (01:03:22):
Yeah, we'll confront your thilasophobia, which is of course the
fancy word for fear of deep bodies of water.
Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
Have Yeah, I know I fear the unseen large creatures
lurking just beneath the surface in the depths.
Speaker 2 (01:03:38):
Did you guys see that for the first time, a
colossal squid was caught on camera by some deep sea
researchers and it's submersible, like.
Speaker 5 (01:03:46):
Deep fake researchers. No, it was probably. I know it
was real, but some of those things you look at
and you're like, not fake. But it's not always.
Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
But it was just a widtle baby, right, It was
still transparent. I hope it grows. The ocean is a
tough neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (01:04:01):
Now we need to do another episode about for your
type clift. But when we do this stuff on the
high seas, we are going to be part of a
true crime cruise with our pals at Virgin October tenth
through the fifteenth. We would love for you all to
join us. And thanks to everybody who already reached out
(01:04:21):
and asked if we're actually going to be on the boat.
As a rule, we don't like to tell people where
we're at or when we're going to be at a place.
That's just operational security. But for this we're making an exception,
please join us.
Speaker 6 (01:04:38):
Yeah, we're pparently going to be hosting things, so we'll
be like doing meet and greets and hanging out and
doing trivia and we're just going to be well, we're
all in it together.
Speaker 7 (01:04:46):
You know.
Speaker 5 (01:04:46):
There in the midst of the Bermuda triangle.
Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
There may even be an excursion.
Speaker 5 (01:04:51):
I've heard tale of an excursion take a deep dive
scuba wise.
Speaker 4 (01:04:57):
More to come on that, and hopefully more to come
from you, friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists. Thank you
for joining us this evening. We've got more stuff that
is going to lead to episodes in the future, and
we would love for you to join up on our
strange enterprise, our continuing mission to boldly go into weirder
(01:05:20):
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the lines.
Speaker 6 (01:05:28):
M hmm. Indeed, you can find us the handle conspiracy Stuff,
where we exist on Facebook with our Facebook group.
Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Here's where it gets.
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we exist at that handle on x FKA, Twitter and
on YouTube with video content for your deep diving pleasure.
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Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
Oh yes, there's so more, guys. Here's George Soros.
Speaker 7 (01:05:51):
That there's one version who was very deeply involved in Ukraine.
Speaker 2 (01:05:59):
Okay, there you go.
Speaker 7 (01:06:03):
That's just.
Speaker 5 (01:06:06):
Y didn't realize how ancient he was.
Speaker 3 (01:06:10):
I mean, it's just it's kissinger with a lisp.
Speaker 5 (01:06:13):
You guys.
Speaker 2 (01:06:14):
All right, Hey, we have an assignment. Call in. Our
number is one eight three three st d w y
t K. It's a voicemail. Give us your best George
Soros or just impersonation.
Speaker 3 (01:06:28):
Let's do that.
Speaker 2 (01:06:29):
I don't think we ever called for impersonations, guys.
Speaker 5 (01:06:31):
Got that'd be a fun little grab bag.
Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Please, it'd be fun to try and figure out what
you're doing when you leave your message. That'd be really fun.
But yes, call that number one eight three three st
d w y t K. You got three minutes. Give
yourself a cool nickname and let us know if we
can use your name and message on the air. If
you want to send us text and images and links
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(01:06:54):
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yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back. If you
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