Michael Talks to Errbody, with Michael Colyar

What's the secret to success in entertainment? What really happens backstage in the world of show biz? In today's episode, the guys welcome legendary comedian, author and podcaster Michael Colyar to dive deep into the world of entertainment conspiracies, aliens, psychic powers and more. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
And heads up as we get into it. Today's episode
does contain graphic descriptions and explicit language. As such, it
may not be appropriate for all audiences.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
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Speaker 3 (00:34):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Nolh.

Speaker 1 (00:37):
They called me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Paul Michig. Control decands. Most importantly, you are
here and that makes this the stuff they don't want
you to know. Folks, longtime fellow conspiracy realists, you have
heard us talk about the war on drugs, the controversy
surrounding the US justice system, and honestly, heck, hundreds, if

(00:59):
not thousands, of US related conspiracies. Today we are diving
into this and much much more with a very special guest,
the legendary comedian, the author, the man, the myth legend,
and now podcaster, Michael call Youer. Thanks so much for
coming on the show. Michael, Woo woo woo, Thank you
for inviting me.

Speaker 4 (01:17):
Thank you. We got it. Immediately.

Speaker 3 (01:22):
Michael, We've been watching so much of your appearances of
just your your life's work, sir. It exists on the internet.
It is incredible to just go through the years, the
years and years that you have been performing on stage
and off stage. It is an honor. No, it's not
that you're old, sir. It's that you know what you're
doing and you've been doing it for a long time.

Speaker 4 (01:41):
So we just prolific. That's thank you. I keep telling
people on the shows that people keep calling me legend,
but it's not because I've done anything particularly. It's just
called outlived all the mother motherfuckers.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
So so okay, let's for anyone who who somehow doesn't
know Michael. You are a Chicago native. You you became
known as the King of Venice speech for a brutal schedule.
Could you tell us a little bit about five shows
a day?

Speaker 4 (02:15):
You know, that's my legacy is Venice Beach. I love
Venice Beach. Venice Beach defined me as a man and
as a human being because I spent nine years on
comedy that from eighty six to ninety five, I did
five one hour shows every Saturday and Sunday without fail.
No matter what time of year it was, and people
showed up sometime they didn't, but we did them shows.
And I did like six figures a year for nine

(02:36):
years weekends only telling jokes. And everything else came from
it as well. But you know, it all started for
me in Chicago because I was a comedian in little
clubs and stuff, and my friends taught me to doing
street performance and I did it on State Street and
I made some really good money and I became for
I knew it, like the best street performer in eighty
five in Chicago, just telling jokes and stuff. But then

(02:58):
winter came, and wouldn't I trying to hit no damn
joke on State Street in December? So I packed up
everything that would fit my nineteen sixty seven Buikelet's saber.
I sold everything else and I drove out to California.
I didn't even know about Venice Beach, but I knew
California had a lot of beaches, and I thought that
it was hot here all year round. Not okay, it
was cold and shit. In fact, it was February and

(03:21):
I had gone up to San Francisco to do Fisherman's Wharf.
There were seals in the water, that's how cold it was, seals.
But I was out this street before me because that's
all I knew, and I saw all I had and
everything I owned was in the car. So I was
staying on that boardwalk and tell jokes. And about a
month in I passed out on the boardwalk and I
got up and drove himself to the hospital and they said,

(03:41):
you called stomach flew out there. Brother, you need to
go somewhere where it's warmer. And by then my wife
told me, you gotta come this place called Venice Beach,
you know. And the rest is history. Man. I loved
Venice Beach. I still love it, and we're going back
out this summer and shooting one hour was special on
the spot where I started, so it's gonna be pretty amazing.

Speaker 5 (04:02):
We were all just out there in that neck of
the woods and we were staying in what was the
Manhattan Beach, which I think Ben pointed out, feels a
little Stepford wives. It's a little He's got a little
bit of less of that kind of psychedelic, cool hippie
energy that Vennis Beach has, But there is something electric
about Vennis Beach where you have, like, you know, the
the dancers, kind of bee boys and stuff.

Speaker 4 (04:24):
And that's now I can't imagine what it was like then.
What was it like then? Yes, well, you know I
call it DNN now the eternal Circus. I mean, it's
always something going on. When I was out there, there
was Robert Gruenberg. He's the chainsaw juggler. This guy would
throw a running chainsaw in the air and catch it
with an apple and with a raw egg and without

(04:48):
breaking it. And while he's throwing them in the air,
he's biting the apple and eating the apple. And he
was doing that on the beef, I mean. And he
made good money too. He had left and went and
got himself a dealershit, a used car dealership. But the
irs was watching him on Venice Beach and they guestimated
how much money he made and took him to court.

(05:08):
He had spend forty thousand dollars to keep from going
to jail, you know, because they were coming out looking
at your money and going one dollar, four dollars, seven dollars,
eight dollars. You know.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Let's get into that. Let's get into it. So as
you know this stuff, they want you to know. Ass
we like to leave no question unasked. We applied critical
thinking to things that have sometimes dismissed this conspiracies. And
one thing people always talk about in the world of
conspiracies around this time of year, around April in the
US is Uncle Sam and the irs faster.

Speaker 4 (05:41):
Oh my god, Well he got me bent over a
barrel right now. I tell you, I just brought new
I just brought new money people on the team just
to get me out of some of my tax trouble
because I ain't trying to do the Wesley Snipes thing.
You know, I don't do well in jail jailing. I'm
too cute for jail, you know what I'm saying. I'm
not to do somebody's wife, right, Okay, So we might

(06:02):
take them a minute, but they're gonna catch up to you.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
You know.

Speaker 4 (06:05):
It's gonna be like a Wesley Snipe's case in point
or whatever. And especially if you're a high profile.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
But we're talking about people that normally we'd consider as
being super under the radar, like street performers, and you're
talking about somebody planted in the crowd making notes about
income coming from street performance.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
Is that a rumor, Michael, or was that true? Do
you think watching.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
No, that's true. That's what they would do. They would
come out and they would have guys sit in the
audience like they just enjoying the show. But they sit
there and watch and see how many people throw money
in the hat, and they see if it's five of
teams whatever, and then they guessed the me how much
they think you got, and then they charge you based
on that. Of course, we ain't got no receipts. We
street performers. We got what they put in the bag,

(06:47):
you know, like Uncle Sam need a couple more dollars,
fuck out.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
He That's the thing. No, this is great, this is
the thing. It's it's actually kind of rare for us
to hear about a real conspiracy that's totally on familiar.
And I don't know about the guys, but I had
never heard this one.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
But it makes perfect sense. They do a lot of
volume in that.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
I mean people they're just constant crowds and they have
a system and they're working it to get every dollar out.
It's a hustle and it's a thing to behold when
people are doing it right, you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I've got a sou I don't know if you heard
this one we were able to confirm this thought. This
was a rumor growing up. But the IRS apparently doesn't
care if you commit crimes. It's not their department if
you're out selling drugs. In theory, they just want to
know how much money you made and they want to
be cut.

Speaker 4 (07:34):
Yeah, they want their part. I mean, it's the same
thing with now we have marijuana that you could purchase everywhere,
cause the government finally figured out how to tax it,
you know. So it's not about right or wrong, it's
like how much is in it for me with my part?
I under say, I want to win my part, you know,
and they owe me. But my mama said, you know,
a dollar nine a dollar when they catch you, you know,
So we do the bith we can.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
And isn't that interesting with with what you're talking about
about marijuana prohibition, like the into what you said, Ben,
the IRS they're not there to p prosecute crimes and
they're technically kind of an apolitical organization in theory, But
whether or not they could tax marijuana was a political issue,
not one that they controlled necessarily, but it had to
be kind of legalized and regulated on a state by

(08:17):
state level, and that's not where the IRS comes in.
They come in to figure out how to collect the
money once they you know, once it's made legal. So
that's super interesting. And like for a time there were
places where, you know, in California, if you go to
a dispensary, they'd give you your change back in cash
because the banks wouldn't mess with them.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
Yet. Oh, let me see that IRS will go in
and take your money too, you know. I mean, if
you leave your money in the bank, you you at risk.
You know. I had I had one check, I did
wages whatever. I did a movie with ice Cube called
The Long Shots with Kiki Palmer was in it as well.
She was fourteen years old and just absolutely brilliant. And

(08:57):
we did that and I had to check. I had
to check out things well before aready seven hundred dollars
and I wanted the offer to get the check. That
check was one dollar and fought and nand cent and
Uncle Sam had left me a note. I was like,
why can't be right?

Speaker 5 (09:09):
They said, politely worded notes.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
What it was just said that we are taking this
portion of your check because of bag taxes. And just
like that, a portion they left dollars all if they
left me enough to get a Snickers. Now that's the Snickers.
That's not the one that you have in the theater. No,
that's the the fun size it.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
What do you call it fun size when there's less
of it? Whatever?

Speaker 4 (09:35):
Problem? This is cute, it's cute.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
Fine, whatever do you mind if we stay on movies
for just one moment. There's so much to talk about
here with you, Michael, but I just I want to
throw something at you and see what your reaction is. Okay,
this is this is the first time I ever saw you. Okay, Okay,
when you when you said this, Williams com sink pac
Ram set Mos ninety two h taspect.

Speaker 4 (10:00):
That's hot shot part dude hot Let me tell you wait,
when we get to the fence and it's a pence,
you could step over. But it's lot damn it, it's
a lot on panicking. Get a hold of yourself. Man,
you know what I mean. That movie was a main

(10:20):
Let me tell you I bought my first home with that.
I did twenty six weeks shooting that film, and it
is one of the gifts of Venice Beach. I got
so much work from being on Venice Beach because Venice
Beach is the second largest attraction in California, second only
to Disneyland. So everybody comes to Venice, they take their
people down to Venice Beach. If somebody come in California,

(10:41):
we got to take you to Venice Beach. So I
got for talent though too. Internally, LA people, I'm sure
going there looking for the next big thing exactly. That's
shopping for talent out there. Look, I brought a girl
on my morning show. I have a morning show, guys
that I do five days a week. It's called the
Michael Caya Morning Show on YouTube. So I was out
there this past Sunday and this little white girl. I

(11:01):
didn't even see her. I just heard Fleetwood Mac the
album for Fleetwood Mac, and I was like, that is Soka?
Who's playing that? I turn it's this little white girl
and hold up. This little white girl was singing so
pure I brought and put on my morning show Monday.
She blew the roof off the sucker. I said, when
you singing these covers, do you have original? She said,

(11:23):
I'm about to drop my original album. She came back
on Wednesday blew the roof off the soucker with originals.
So she'll be on my show, well coming up, because
I'm about to celebrate our six hundred show. She's gonna
be on that one too. Venice Beach is the eternal circus.
You got artists out there. It used to be a
time you can get a slice of pizza for a dollar,
probably cost two dollars. Now you know, you got girls

(11:44):
walking around and bikini's barely clad. It's all kinds of
objects and things. You come back. You go out there
with twenty dollars and have a good afternoon as long
as you don't have to pay for parking. It's amazing,
you know. And then after Drum Beach that stuff and
the Sundowners where a whole bunch of people stick around
from six thirty to about seven and watch the sun

(12:08):
literally go down and behind the ocean, you know. So
it's a lot of wonderful stuff going on. When I
get out there, they weren't making money, so I was
teaching a lot of them how to get their money.
Because they had the guy who would walk on glass.
Uber Uber. This guy would break fresh glass, a pile
of glass. He'd jump off a chair into the glass
with no shoes on it. Then he did he pooched

(12:28):
the glass back up, so it's a mountain of glass.
He laid on it with no shirt. A lady was
standing on his chest. A man was standless thighs and
he smoked a cigret. Then he get up, wouldn't have
a scratch on him. The boy was making like forty
dollars a day. I said, no, no, no, no no, they whoa,
you ain't doing this right. We're gonna have to work
on that part because you got to get your money. Plus,

(12:50):
one of his big things he was doing is he
wouldn't collect his money till after his last piece. You
can't do that. You can't do your last bit until
you get the money. Your last bid has to be
the hook. You know. You gotta tell them. I get
some who I'm about to kill y'all with this, but
I got to get my money first, okay, to play,
you know, and then you get your cash, then you

(13:10):
do the last bit. So I was showing them out
there how to get money. I have a money grabber.
I know we're not visual, but y'all can see this.
We can money grab I can take this grab and
reach out and get.

Speaker 5 (13:21):
Your you know, at home picture like a he man
or like a like a transformers, these things.

Speaker 4 (13:32):
The reach for stuff up on the cabinet and stuff
like that. I was grab yours is the one that
the kids used. That's not even like the real one,
you know what I mean. That's the one that's that's amazing.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
These also this is odd by the way, for anybody
who happens to be by the Venice boardwalk. You can
find Michael's shoe and handprints there as well as an
impression I believe of that money.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
That money grab her. You had to commemorate what idea
when I was out there, because we made it. And
see here's what I was telling you earlier too. I
got a lot of work from there. I got hot
shots due from there. I got Martin. I became a
regular on Martin from there because everybody comes to Venice,
and then they were coming, I'd have the biggest crowd,
so they worked their way in. And then they say,
here's a guy with two to four hundred people standing

(14:20):
still in the sun for an hour and then happy
to pay. But are are people taking advantage of folks
like that? In Hollywood? You think of so much kind
of crooked.

Speaker 5 (14:31):
You know, I'm gonna make you a star, I'm gonna
pay you more than you're making on the boardwalk, but
probably underpaying the hell out of you, and also then
maybe signing you to an exclusive contract and like kind
of owning someone's life, you know, is that Did you
see any of that kind of stuff?

Speaker 4 (14:48):
Yeah, people doing that all the time. You know. Talent
is always in danger of the people who want to
exploit them, you know, so there's always folks out there like,
but you need to be on your game, you know
what I'm saying. I mean, a trick ain't a trick
if you know the trick. But if you don't know
the trick, then the trick's on you. You know. I
was at one network that ran me out of there,
and I couldn't figure out how I got out of there.

(15:08):
How I thought I was doing so good? And my
brother told me the story. He said, every evening, as
the sun went down, there was this little village and
a prince would come out to the edge of the
river and walk across the river, and all the people
would hide in the bushes and watch the prince walk
across this river. Every evening. No one had the courage

(15:29):
to approach him, and finally a little child. You know, children,
they always they don't care. They'll just say some shit.
A child just stepped out from behind the bush and says,
tell me, sir, please tell me what is the secret
of walking across the river? And he says, the secret,
my child, is you got to know what the rocks are.
Come on, I didn't know what were you know what

(15:50):
I'm saying. If you weren't being on top of it,
that's all. But yeah, people will exploit you. So you
have to watch for that. If you're an artist, you
have to watch for that. I've always done all my
own stuff. Now I'm building a but I usually book myself,
you know. I manage myself, you know. And when I
say God is my manager, that means I only got
to pay ten percent and he answers every call. You know.

(16:10):
So so sometimes doing it yourself is the way that works.
But the go to furthest in this industry, using these
people to help you, just in the higher eche lines.
Because about success. It's about access. That's what success about
in this time. It's access. Who you know? You know?
Everything's about communications and relationships. Who do you know and
how do you talk to the people you know? Will

(16:30):
determine your altitude, how high you rise? You know, so
you but the snakes are always in the grass. There's
always the people there with a card and a gimmick.
All over La. Everybody got a card and a gimmick,
you know.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, Oh. I can't remember the last time
I visited LA without someone trying to sell me a screenplay,
you know. And maybe maybe they're good, But I respect
the hustle because you're reminding me of that, oh, that
excellent quote. It's very, very old. It's like thousands years old.
If you want to travel fast, go alone. If you

(17:03):
want to travel far, go together, you know. So what
you're saying about having a team makes it makes a
lot of sense. And one thing we really wanted to
pick your brain about today is the inside, the inner workings,
getting under the hood of the world of entertainment, because
you have, in addition to acting and honing your skills

(17:26):
in this, in the world of entertainment at large, you
have been in the trenches. You've seen the stuff backstage
that the audience never sees or understands. So do you
have any I guess you would call them conspiracies or
theories in the world of entertainment and in the in

(17:47):
the backstage, because I know stuff probably gets wild, Like,
what is something more people need to know about stand
up comedy for instance?

Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, I mean, I think if you want to talk
about what's going on in the back room, you know,
you just have to be careful because this so many
clicks seeing Hollywood, everything is clique. Everybody in they group.
You got to be in they group, or if you're
not in their circle. It's so funny, it's so funny.
I had a girlfriend and I want to introduce her
to a friend of man, and she said, well, you

(18:16):
can't just bring people in our circle. They got to
be invited. And I was thinking about the job that
she does for a living, and I was like, bitch,
you gotta circle. Ain't nobody trying to get your fucking girl.
Anybody trying to get in your circle. I was trying
to introduce you to my friend, you know what I'm saying. So,
but it's clique out here. It's like if you not
in their group, certain people only work with that certain
group of people. They ain't messing with nobody else. Now,

(18:39):
some of that is conventional wisdom. You know, if you're
really trying to get your act together. You really want
to circle yourself with four to five of your best
or closest friends and associates and keep everybody outside of that.
That way, there's no damage to the team or the
company because you know you could trust that handful of people.
The danger comes in when you start bringing in strangers,
the people you don't know who have different agendas and

(19:01):
different ideas and to throw things off. So there is
a sense of having a small group. But here in Hollywood,
there's the thing about you have to be in people's
per their their circle, their group. They have to give
you their benediction, so so you know if they say okay,
then then you could work. And I mean, I've mean,

(19:22):
I can't tell you how many times people have blocked me.
I've been blocked tons of time from people who I
thought were my friends. Some of the people are people
that I brought up in this town and won't give
me the tame a day, but they'll respect me. The
same people that won't work with me. If I walk
in the room, they'll come across the room and shake
my hand. Hey brother, how you doing. But those same

(19:42):
people won't book me. Just think about this, how many
how many tours have you seen me on all you
stop black comics? And I can stand told to told
with any comic in America, white or black, and I
could do an hour faulty, shouty easy with continuous laugh
or not. I tell a joke that I walk around

(20:04):
talking shit for eight minutes. Then I tell a joke
I'm talking about bam bam bam our faulty easy without
even thinking about it. And you don't never see me
on these tools or all these top comments. You see
the same ones going out all the time, but you
don't see me. I've been doing this not thirty seven years.
I'm thinking about sticking.

Speaker 5 (20:19):
With that because you speak out of school? Is that
because people think that you're you know, I don't know.
There's what what is it about? I don't you either
rub them the wrong way. I don't have an idea.

Speaker 4 (20:28):
And that's the worst part of it is their cowardice.
The people who don't work with you will never tell
you why. They don't say nothing to you about it.
Just all of a sudden, you know you ain't getting
that call. All of a sudden, you know you ain't
getting called in on that. Some people, some things people
call me in for and I don't even go because
I know which team that is, and they're not going
to hire me. If I come in, tell mclothes off,

(20:48):
set myself on fire, you know. So so so you
just you have to know who you're working with and
who's not. That's why I'm all down for self reliance.
Do your own thing. That's what street performance was. So
wasn't to me. I ain't gotta kiss nobody's ass to
walk on Venice Beach and tell a joke. You know.
I couldn't even get in the clubs until I did
Vennis Beach. I was when I first came here in

(21:08):
eighty six. Laugh Factory was the only one let me
come in. Laugh Factories about the size of my dining room.
In eighty six they didn't even own the upstairs yet,
they just had the main level. And in eighty six
I was there, they let me come in on a
Thursday and do five minutes for free. That was it.
Comedy store wouldn't let me in an improblem, none of them.
So I went to Venice Beach and I was holding

(21:29):
the biggest crowds of Venice Beach and one day Bud
Friedman who created the im Prov and owned all the
m problem and rest his heart rest is soul. We
only lost him about three months ago. I love, love, love,
love love that man. Bud Freeman and his wife Alex
saw me out there and they said, I'd like you
to become part of our family. I mean it just
then did just invite me to come and tell a Joe.

(21:51):
He made me part of the Improv family. So all
of a sudden, I was doing that show on A
and E called evenings at the Improv. I did like
eleven of those. I was all the Improv clubs because
someone saw me who had a way to give me access,
and they allowed me to have that.

Speaker 5 (22:08):
You know, all right, hold up a second, let's take
a quick break and here a work from our sponsor,
and then'll be back with more from Michael.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
We're back.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
Let's get into it.

Speaker 5 (22:21):
It's interesting with podcasting and YouTube, which is obviously a
place you found success in now too. That's kind of
like the street performing of the Internet in some ways.
It's sort of democratized by people that kind of form
around you, and it's unconnected to any clicks. Obviously, there
are podcast networks and YouTube networks and all that, but
at the end of the day, the impetus is on

(22:42):
you to do your thing and then see what happens.
And I'm interested if you see that parallel and how
that's worked out for you.

Speaker 4 (22:48):
To see that parallel. And people have been telling me
for years, Michael, you'd be so good on podcasts, You'll
be on pot and I never knew how to do it.
And now I'm able to do it, and I'm having
the time in my life doing it. I'm having great
conversations with people. But once again, was also about to access.
It was because i Heeart believed in me and gave
me this opportunity. Then I'm able to do this podcast.
I would never on my own just said Okay, I'm

(23:09):
just gonna set this up in my house, do a podcast,
put it where if I want to know, I wanted
to be with some of the top folks that I'm
going to podcasts. I mean, all I want to do
is beat Bill Burr. If I could just, you know,
just like Remelion, I would love to have him on
my show. But and he knows me. He knows me
too because I called him. Some other people that had

(23:31):
me come in for a podcast for their company. I
came in to meet them and they weren't interested, and
I was like, okay, fane, but at least I got
a chance to come say hello to them. But when
I went in, I called Joe Rogan. I said, Joe,
what I do when I go in this interview? He said, Man,
just go in and be you. And at the end
of the day, he said, you don't need nobody else anyway.
You could do it on your own. And I thought,

(23:51):
that's cool, and that's a great idea. Boy, I'm a
lazy at Lamma Bean and I wasn't about to do
it on my own. And plus I'm one seven projects already,
So I'm like, how do I figure out how the podcast?
How do I do it right? How do I compete?
All those thoughts? But I have like like two of
the greatest attorneys in the world, and Ricky Anderson is
the one who put the deal together for me, and
he has several clients as well, and he was shopping

(24:15):
for me. Man, you know, the other people came to me.
Who's got a somebody's got a free radio, some radio.
But they had offered me to come over there, but
they don't offer no money. Well, shit. If I ain't
gonna make no money. I could make no money at
my damn house. Why I gotta com to not make money,
you know? And So the thing is, I think being
self sufficient is important and entertainment you should do stuff

(24:38):
that you could pay yourself. See, I'm on stage every
night saying can you tell that I love what I do? Now,
keep in mind, I'm an addict. Okay, I'm a crackhead.
So I did crack for twenty three years, and as
of this March first, I have twelve years of pure sobriety.
So I've been here doing comedy, film and everything fucked up.
You hear me. I was rimped, but nobody knew it.

(24:59):
I never went to work, no shit like that. I
never did that. But during that rain of being high,
I did so many shows and so many films and
nobody even knew it. But my system knew it. The
universe knew it. So I wasn't able to travel at
the speed of light like I could of if I
stayed clear eyed and focused and stayed on my work.
I started with the Steve Harveys of them, I started

(25:20):
with Cedric Entertainer DL Hughley. Them cats used to look
up to me. All them guys are rich enough to
pee cream and me. I'm still a day player. But
that's okay. I'm happy with it because I own myself.
You know what I'm saying. I own Michael mother bunkaya.
All this is, man, I don't owe nobody nothing. I
don't do no harm to nobody on purpose. All I
do is perform. But I'm performing everywhere. I'm killing the game,

(25:43):
you know, and the thing she is I ain't beholding
to nobody. I don't have to go to none of
those cats and say, man, I made it because of you. Yeah,
because y'all ain't brought me. I brought me and keep
on bringing me, you know. And that's why I want
to send that message to other people, because there's a
lot of people who turn around and walk away. They
don't get enough assistance. You know, if somebody don't help them,
you know, you don't need Look, everything you need to do,

(26:06):
whatever you want to do on this planet is encoded
within you. You already have all the answers. It's just
a matter of you having the courage to go inside
to find that thing and then work towards it a
little bit every day. Always talk about a system called
a fifteen minute of a day system. If you're willing
to spend fifteen minutes a day on something you really
want and within three to six months you'll have it

(26:27):
fifteen minutes a day. And I'm just talking about Monday
and Friday. Monday to Friday, you could take Saturday and Sunday, oh,
twenty four hours in a day if you spend fifteen.
If you weigh nine hundred pounds and you want to
be a ballerina, do fifteen minutes a day, fifteen minutes
a day and that on that topic, you may be
spent fifteen minutes looking at plus size women dance. You
may spend fifteen minutes at a bar and your a

(26:48):
house trying to do a dance bar. You may be
doing the five steps, practicing them and talking about it
and talking about it. Because see, the universe wants to
know you commit to anything. It opens doors that you
didn't even were there. So what happens not everybody you
talk to you tell them I'm gonna be a ballerino.
I'm gonna be a ballerina. Fifteen minutes a day you
working on it. You might spend fifteen minutes a day
just watching other ballerinas. But I guarantee you, by that

(27:11):
third month you would have done so many things towards
it and generated so much energy. Your phone gonna ring,
You're gonna pick the phone up. Hey, hey, Charlotte, we're
putting together a concert with plus sized women and we
heard did you are trying to get in the game.
You'll be like, holy shit, how did that happen to me?
It happened to you because it happened for you, and

(27:33):
it happened for you because you worked towards it fifteen
minutes towards it every day. I swear you're coming through you. Yeah, yeah,
you're conduit for it.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
We've all seen seen elements of that. I just wanted
to asked really quickly about the addiction side of things.
I mean, was that something that you felt like, I mean,
I know that may have happened before. It seems maybe
that was all kind of coinciding. But was that something
that you used to be able to just be on
all ways, go go go or were they separate? And
then how are you able to get rid of that?
How are you able to like, you know, replace that

(28:05):
energy that you were spending on that which you know,
it makes you feel like you have energy, but it's
actually sapping you have energy. So how did you kind of,
you know, reconcile that that was kind of.

Speaker 4 (28:15):
The start of all of it when you said it's
actually sapping energy. You actually think you're getting something, you
think you're going somewhere, and it's really draining you. You know.
I'm doing a one man play in one hundred Cities
called Michael Cawley's Mama. If you like your Mama, you're
gonna love his play. And the play is an hour
and a half place and I play seventeen characters. So
I played my mother, and my father, and my four

(28:37):
big brothers and me at four ages. The alcohol is
crack heads and church ladies did run my community. And
I get to tell that story about the addiction. But
I get into addiction. I got into drugs called it
was just fun. But I've always been responsible when it
comes to work. So I never went to work high.
I never would never go on the stage high. I
wouldn't do nothing. I respect what it is I do,

(28:59):
but like to say about to say earlier, I tell
people on stage, if our job, our job is to
train the universe to pay us to do what we
love to do. See, because if you're just doing what
you love to do, I swear the Bible says that
your gift will make a way for you. So if
you just doing what you love to do with all
your heart and all your passion, all the elements you

(29:21):
need for to succeed will come to your door. It
will walk up to you. You won't even have to
go look for it. So in doing this play I
talk about all of it. The addiction for me is
I was just party man. I used to do freebase
before they even knew of a thing called crack. I
used to sell freebase in Chicago. Did that made me
want to taste cocaine? I liked it. I liked it
a lot. But then I wasn't really messing with it

(29:42):
till I got to the Venice. Now I get to
Venice and all so many people on Venice were getting high.
I started trying to get high, and I enjoyed it.
You know, I had a lot of money and I
didn't owe nobody nothing. It was Robin Williams who said,
cocaine it's God's way of saying, you making too much
goddamn money. You know, and so I have all this money.
I leave in the beach with a sack of money.

(30:03):
I ain't owe nobody nothing. And one day I said,
I wonder if I take this rock and I drop
it on this hot piece of glass. What happened? Okay?
And then twenty three years later, my AS's trying to
dig my way out the whole. Now parts of me
say that maybe that's why I'm penalized. Maybe some of
the people who don't work with me have having in
the back of their man well he's crackhead, or he

(30:25):
was a crackhead, or maybe during my crackhead days, people
may have found me arrogant. I probably said things that
I shouldn't have said the way I said them, or whatever.
I don't know. I know one thing in my life.
I've never never deliberately gone out of my way to
hurt anybody, to step on nobody. I won't step on
you to get the job. I don't want the job
so bad that I'm to fuck you over so I
can get an extra five dollars. I'm just not going

(30:46):
to do that. I've just been living my life the
way I want to live it, unfolding unto my greater self,
and I don't always get it right. She is. Sometime
I fuck it.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
Up, but I would love I want to talk about
one of those. I want to talk about one of
those times. I saw it. Not long ago, I don't know,
it was years. I think at this point, you were
in Philadelphia, you were in a park, a public.

Speaker 2 (31:09):
You go.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
First of all, let me say the name Cigar Williams.
Matter fact, let me say that Cigar Williams can can
kiss my ass. Let me just say that he's my
great friend in Philadelphia. His name is Cigar Williams. He
takes me to buy me a cigar of smoke, and
she knew some shit was up because he didn't get
one for him. And we take the cigar. We like
the ciga. We go back into the park U Writtenhouse

(31:32):
Square in Philadelphia, which is the rich park. All the
rich white people leave it, you know, black people even
in that park. He might see one every nine and then,
but it's always six or eight police patrolling a damn park, okay,
because they got money like that. So I'm sending this
smoking a cigar with my partner, and we see a
cop harassing this young brother who has uh he's autistic,

(31:54):
and he was handling a guy paper saying he's autistic,
and the guy's writing him a ticket. So I'm staying
with cigarette. William we laughing at the police. You know,
he's a bicycle cop, you know what I'm saying. And
this way he get all his power. He's sitting there
right now home an innocent person a ticket. Well, he
saw us laughing at him and made a bee line
over to me. He said, you can't smoke in his park,

(32:16):
and I said, cool, I can put it out or
I could walk it out the park. He said, you
put it out and give me your ID. So he
takes my ID. Right, So while he's got my ID,
he's taking twenty minutes to run my ID. You know,
doesn't take no damn twenty minutes run ID. That means
you running a man's background. He's trying to see if
I got warrants in some way he can do more
to me. Not backup. Then showed up another double meat

(32:38):
eating fat ass cop. Did better have a pistol because
he ain't gonna never catch nobody. He's better throw a
stick at you. He can't catch it, so now his
mutton Jeff both toiling over riding a ticket for me smoking.
So I held my phone up and filmed the whole
thing on FaceTime live, and I dogged him. I talked
about him like a dog. I said, oh man, he

(32:59):
just loved check. The requisition order went in for the pistols,
but they won't come in till Thursday. You know what
I mean. I'm just and the thing that made people
love it because one point seven million people saw that.
The thing that made people love it is I showed
him how to deal with the police when they came
to a black man wrong, but how to do it
in a way that's respectful enough that he don't have
to beat you up and shoot you an ass and

(33:21):
taste you. You know. But some of us forget when
the police show up that they're in charge. We forget
that shit. Fuck you pull me over for naw. Okay,
now you're gonna have to do the Ridney King dance. Okay,
you can't do that. What you need to do is
calm the fuck now when the police come, as long
as I'm talking calmly, I'm not going off. I'm not
reaching for sudden suddenly. They can't do shit to me,

(33:43):
but talk to me, and I talked about him. I
talked about his ass so bad. Oh lord. Now, once
I got through and he gave me my ticket. Wait,
and while I'm talking to him and he's writing his ticket,
a white guy walks through, brazenly smoking a cigarette. By now,
it's thirty people standing around watching this. So I pointed
at him when I say, officer, look at the white
guy smoking. He said, I'm too busy to look up,

(34:05):
and he just kept writing. Right. So, because I left,
and I didn't do what a lot of a lot
of black people do a lot of black people. We
get mad and we go talk about you motherfuckers behind
your back. Yeah, we smoke a fat one man, I'm
mother fuckers. Shit did that? No, I'm not doing it
that well. I'm doing the white white folk with white
folks report shit. They report that everybody do some shit.

Speaker 3 (34:27):
Talk.

Speaker 4 (34:27):
A little white lady, she the fuck happened. She's calling
everybody in the community. She's gonna talk to the alderman,
the mayor, the chief police. That's what I did. I
went directly to the police station. I went right to
the police station. I filed to report against that cops.
I called the chief of police. We said, let us,
the chief police, iad eternal affairs. We wrote everybody, and

(34:47):
on top of one point seven million people, being on
top wrote me a ticket for one hundred dollars. You
can't even see the sign in the park. We pointed out,
you got to go fan the sand that says no smoking.
One hundred dollars. They threw that ticket away and apology
as brother. That's what happened. And that's the power of entertainment.
I know, I ain't afraid when I talk to you.
It's just another presentation. You know what I'm saying. But

(35:09):
that's why I keep saying that if you're out here
as an artist, try to be self sufficient because you
don't want to be a slave to nobody. You don't
want to be a slave to a record label, to
a producer, to anybody you want to be. You want
to own yourself, you know. And that's what I do.
Is so when you ask the question, why is there
so many folks to how many all those top guys
I haven't worked with, Well, I say, once again, everybody
work with everybody. They all know each other, they drink together,

(35:31):
they hang out together. So if one of them won't
work with me, the other one won't. And I'm not
saying that I'm on a black list, but I think
it's a black black list out there that my name
is pretty high on. You know what I'm saying, because
it's all kind of folks of my hue who are
doing all kinds of things and won't even ain't never
brought me in. I can't audition for it or nothing.
But look, be clear, I'm mentioning this because we're discussing it.

(35:54):
I ain't complained about it because I don't give a damn.
I tell you right now, but fuck you ain't got
the higher my ass because God gave me Venice Beach.
I know I can always go to the beach and
makes some motherfucking month. I ain't gotta kiss nobody's ass
to ever get I'm not just anyway. I can tell
Joe anyway, you know.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
So yeah, so there, Yeah, there's so many things that
I think we can unpack here. And I know that Noel,
Matt and I or we've got I think we all
have a bunch of questions directions we're going to go
down here. So let me just give like a laundry
list one of the one of the things we're gonna
have to get back to is the war on drugs

(36:31):
just in the micro and a macrocosmic scale before we
do that, Just as an opening to that door, Michael,
I got to ask this, some of our audience always
wants to hear whenever we have a guest of your
caliber on the show. Are there any quote unquote conspiracy
theories that you believe? And if so, which ones talking?

Speaker 4 (36:52):
Like JFK I Love Snowfall. That's a series that John
Singleton created FX Television, and it tells the story about
Ricky Ross. Now you know there's a rappers, but there
was a real named Freeway and he's going to do

(37:12):
my podcast Freeway Ricky Ross. Yes, and he's already said
he's doing the podcast. So he ran crack cocaine syndicate
all up and down the one ten Freeway in Los Angeles.
Why that's why they called him Freeway Ricky Ross. And
it's really his story, and it was who's that food? God?
I'm trying to think of his name doing Nixon era

(37:34):
had a ball head. It wasn't j Lord and Giddy.
It wasn't it wasn't Lyddy, it wasn't Jay Gordon Lyddy.
It was somebody like him. He was c i A
and they ran operations to fight the contrast. So what
they did is cracked cocaine into our community, gave it
to Ricky Ross in exchange for money so that they

(37:57):
can go back and buy guns to fight the contras.
And he ends up going to prison for it for
the rest of his life. Ricky Ross and the guy
who set it up never did a day, not a
day in jail, and that's how they finally turned it
around and he got back out, and he tells this
story everywhere, and Snowfall is based on that, and I
absolutely know that that is the truth. You want to

(38:18):
talk about a conspiracy, you may think of it as
they as a theory, but it ain't no theory. The
government is the reason that black people all fucked up
with crack cocaine because we wasn't even know crack then
they just had blow. And he brought all that shit
and gave it to our community. Who would just give
it to the black people, let them just sell and
fuck themselves up, But you bring us back our portion

(38:39):
so we can get guns.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
You know, CIA Air America they called it. I think
for our freedom or or something like that. It's interesting
you mentioned that we were doing a live show a
while a while back. I can't remember where our talk was,
and one of the things that we pointed out, we're
talking to people about the war on drugs, which are
pal Clayton English refers to as a war on people or.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
War for control.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
One thing that really stood out was, you know, look
around areas that have been absolutely devastated by a crack
cocaine and now by fintanahl and hillbilly heroin and stuff
like that. There is not a single coca field that
they have access to. They're not growing it, they're not
making ak's out there. There's not a single poppy field

(39:27):
out there, you know.

Speaker 4 (39:28):
So we don't have wear planes, we don't have access
to planes to bring that shit in here, none of that.
But now if you bring it to us and sit
on our doorstep and we think we could chop it up,
cook it up and sell it, what respect we're gonna do,
you know, especially if you put us in a situation
where we're impoverished, where society has set us up, well,
we can't get the job. We we gotta fight for stuff.

(39:48):
And here's an opportunity to make money that you couldn't
even imagine. You gotta take a chance. Man, got to
roll the dice. In some cases, you got to roll
the dice. But I can't wait to talk to Rick
Ross my show about that in detail. But yeah, yeah,
I think the government had a conspiracy against our society,
the black portion of our society, and said, fuck it,

(40:09):
get him this dope, y'all bring us back this money
for the guns, you know, and that you could always
in everything you always foulow the money. I don't get
fuck what do you follow the money and you'll see
what's with Trump followed them my fucking money. Yeah, you
gonna see what's going down.

Speaker 3 (40:24):
It's so weird with government money sometimes like that, the
things that they refer to as black budgets that are
never on books anywhere. Right, So you you know that
the government's asked for eight hundred and fifty billion dollars,
but there's fifty billion of that or one hundred and
fifty billion of that that nobody ever knows where it
went to, even the people who run the country. Right,

(40:44):
the people who are in Congress have no idea, which
is really just really creepy when.

Speaker 4 (40:51):
Found this list where the government had paid like seventeen
thousand dollars for a fucking hammer. You know. It was like,
what kind of accounting are they doing? Boxer screws two
hundred and fourteen thousand, What we're in a rock?

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Iraq? They lost, well, how many billions of dollars?

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Man's a palette.

Speaker 1 (41:07):
It was a palette of a billion in cash and
three cash.

Speaker 3 (41:10):
They're like, oh, we can't find it.

Speaker 4 (41:12):
So.

Speaker 1 (41:14):
Let's pause here for a word from our sponsor and
then we'll be back with more Michael Collier and we've returned.

Speaker 3 (41:27):
So I was scrolling on Instagram the other day and
I saw this comedian. He had a younger comedian. He'd
pulled a little piece that he was doing on stage
and it was a whole It was a joke that
he set up pretty well on. The concept is blackface
and how's wrong. It's absolutely wrong, nobody can ever do that.
And then he talks about, well, what if you're in
Special Forces and you've got a white guy on your

(41:50):
team and you need to put a black face on him?
And I thought about hot shots part due there's a
visual joke in there that's.

Speaker 4 (41:58):
Just if you're heard it. Yeah, that's such a funny part.
And we're all sitting there, everybody putting black face on
their makeup, put on black makeup so they can go
and fight in the water, putting on chemouflood. Then they
passed me the black and I just look at it.
It's giving a look, Matt.

Speaker 5 (42:15):
That brings up a really good point. What do you
think things are off limits in comedy if you do
it right and it's funny.

Speaker 4 (42:21):
I don't think it should be. I mean, I know
people are always worried about being canceled. I don't worry
about being canceled because I've never been on so uh
it was so so I don't worry about that. But
like people think, like people say stuff and stuff that's
like it's not they'll say they'll accuse you something this
like I've been accused of fat shaming for telling this joke, okay,

(42:43):
And I don't think it's fat shaming okay, And it
was the actual happenings. Fat lady was on a bike.
She was a fat lady woman. Say is she a
fat ad? What you want to call a big bone bro?
I don't know. She was a fat woman. She was
on the bike, she was paddling her ass off, and
so I yelled out, cow right, She turned towards me,
gave me the finger, turned back around, and ran right

(43:04):
into the fucking cow.

Speaker 1 (43:11):
Well, sometimes people might project their own things, you know.
I think that's tell you guys very well, right, and
sometimes people project their own things. It's true. And I
really love to know your question about the idea of
boundaries or what can or cannot be addressed. We know
that comedy is a tremendously powerful social force. It enables

(43:33):
us to speak directly to things that you know might
get you, might get you in some deep water in
some other countries or another contexts. What's that old saying
only only the jester can talk shit.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
To the king. Uh.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
This exploration takes us in a couple of other other directions.
The idea that now the CIA never officially admitted that
they created in large part, the epidemic of drug use
in the United States, And you point out that there

(44:08):
are people who have a lot of evidence against them
that have never gotten in trouble. Some of those people
very well are alive today. What would you say, What
observations do you have about you know, the idea that
there's a shadowy group at the top, right that there's
like an inner circle there. I say an illuminati. You

(44:30):
hear that all the time, right, like so and so
secretly runs the world. I don't think there's something.

Speaker 4 (44:35):
I don't know if it's the Illuminati, but there's something.
You know. They're small kebles of people who have great,
great power that we don't even know exists. Even if
you just start with the with the dark Web, there's
so much stuff going on around our society that we
have no access to. And it's not just going around us.
It's going on and happening to us. And we don't

(44:55):
even see that kind of stuff because they're doing all
the stuff.

Speaker 2 (44:58):
You know.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
And if y'all think the government runs the government, y'all
crazy as fuck. You know, I tell you right now,
the pharma has more power over this world than anybody.
The pharmacies. Look, seventy two percent of all commercials is
about a medicine. It's about some pharmaceutical shit, some shit
you didn't even know you need it until they told you.

Speaker 3 (45:19):
So.

Speaker 4 (45:19):
First they tell you they gonna create the cure, then
they come tell you get it. Do you have ibs
irritable bowel syndrome. That's itchy booty syndrome. How come we
can't scratch our ass. We used to just scratch our
ass maybe take a quick wash, but now your ass
can't itch un less you take this pill because it's
been drummed into your head or you got ibs. You

(45:43):
don't want that, you know. I mean, I'm hearing shit
every day that could be going on with your body
I never even heard of before. I mean, they just
make the shit.

Speaker 1 (45:51):
Up, Like halatosis was invented by by mouthwashed companies.

Speaker 4 (45:56):
Yeah, that's just bad brand. Then they make the shit
up and I List three got sixteen billion dollars they
made this year. Do you talk about big pharma though?

Speaker 5 (46:05):
I mean, you know, let's let us talk about another
community that was impacted by a shadowy group that wasn't
even that shadow We didn't even try that hard to
cover their tracks, like the opioid epidemic, you know, which
largely affected impoverished white communities. You know, it's another group
that is to some degree left behind. And I'm not

(46:26):
trying to be like, don't forget about us white people,
but I mean it is a thing. There are people
that live in certain part flyover states or whatever that
are treated in a very similar way to the way
the black community was treated as throwaway. You know, I
don't know. I just interested in your thoughts there. And
we know big Pharma did that. We know they did it.

Speaker 4 (46:44):
You know, well, yeah, big Farma is just I mean, really,
I think the government scaled a big pharm. I think
everybody scared a big farma because they got all the money.
Once again, follow the money. It all comes to that.
We got appeel for it. We don't fix it. The
real peel is life, real peel is God. The real
way to fix something is to understand you're already complete

(47:05):
and compact the way you was built. You come with
all your accessories. You're already ready to go. But if
we're in a society, keep teaching, teaching you you need
this or you need that for you to be happy,
or you have to have this to be happy. You
have everything you need already to be happy, man, And
the really good stuff don't cost money, you know. I'd
like the guy was talking to the hooker and he said,

(47:26):
do you believe in free love? And she said, yeah,
I believe in free love? And they had sex and
when it's over. She said fitted dollars, and he said,
fitty dollars. I thought you said you believe in free love.
He said, I believe in free love. Was free the sex,
That's all I'm yeah, so yeah, So it's it's a
lot of stuff out there, man, I mean, I'm scared

(47:47):
to even look like I wouldn't even look on the
on the black web. If you see the kind of
stuff that's happening in and around us, you'll be very frightened.

Speaker 3 (47:56):
Well, Michael, I want I want to ask you something.
It's a little strange. There's been a whole bunch of
mainstream news, including coming from the United States Navy, about
this stuff called UAP. We used to know it as UFOs.
Have you Have you seen any of that news?

Speaker 4 (48:11):
Does that?

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Does that interest you at all? The concept of maybe
either aliens or some kind of super sophisticated military tech.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
No. I First, I do believe that there's UFOs. I
do believe that there's aliens. I do believe that there's
something out there greater than us. I pray that there
is something smarter than humans, Please Jesus, please, So I
really think, I mean, I'm still trying to figure out
although black people and I'm sorry, y'all white could y'all

(48:44):
might want to won't agree with that. But black people,
to me the greatest people in the whole wide world,
and since the beginning of time they've been building shit.
But I still haven't figured out how we built the pyramids.
I'm sorry, I am sorry. I think we had help
from aliens on that one, and also called them all
the mathematical equations that that made the building of them

(49:05):
is the building of the pyramids is set up to
fix astrology, to align up with the stars and with
the universe. I just don't know, way, way, way, way
way back then that we were thinking on those levels
on Earth.

Speaker 1 (49:23):
I don't know, man, because they didn't have TV sucking
up their attention, they didn't have like, they had much
more focus, went much more connected the natural world.

Speaker 4 (49:33):
Yeah, I mean definitely.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
Most eerrors of history. I agree there. This is where okay,
I think we play Maybe this is how we we
start to end this show. We want to we want
to save the hook.

Speaker 6 (49:47):
Right as you were telling us earlier in the show,
how long is that you say that it's actually been
almost solid almost be an hour.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
If you're gonna get off. You're gonna get off the episode.
The first thing you're gonna do talk to Malika and say, God,
those guys just don't shut up.

Speaker 4 (50:11):
So much.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
And well, it's that's what you'r We like. We like
asking you questions, we like getting your perspective. All the
stuff is that we think about every day, and it's
really cool to have people involved in the conversation that
are don't have some acts to grind, don't have some
agenda you with just.

Speaker 4 (50:26):
People that have feelings and like your observation and observation.
So that's what interests us.

Speaker 3 (50:31):
So, yeah, I have a quick list. You want to
end it.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
You wanted to.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
Conspiracy Well I wanted to do conspiracy quiz.

Speaker 4 (50:38):
Okay, like we did.

Speaker 1 (50:39):
Yeah, so we I think we missed it with aliens,
but we've got to got to take there. So the
way we play this game, Michael, is we will just
like kind of rapid fire, We'll ask you just a
bare bones, a basic couple of conspiracy theories, and you
let us know whether you buy them all the way,
whether you think it's you know, absolute hogwash, or something

(51:02):
might be true about it. So let's start with one
of the famous ones. Staying on aliens, staying on extraterrestrials.
Do you think the US government or any other world
government actually found a piece of like a spaceship.

Speaker 4 (51:17):
And we got them. We got them here. Definitely, I
guarantee you that they got them the area fifty one.
That shit is real. And I'm gonna tell you. Out
here in California, I see mountains that I swear to
this activity in those mountains when I come down to
fourteenth because I'm right off the fourteen Freeway, which is
the Palmdale near Lancaster, so the worst name is near us.

(51:38):
The stealth Bomber is like maybe four miles from my house,
and sometimes you can hear what sounds like the earth
is moving. You just hear, you know what the hell
it is, and it'll just be dark and go past.
I mean, so I think that they got a bunch
of stuff in the mountains here. I think they have
underground stuff. And I definitely think that aliens have been

(51:59):
here and got trapped here. I mean, I don't think
any aliens came here and lived except the ones that
are living and playing like the humans. But I don't
I think that we have had alien activity here. I
think alien vehicle parts are some way here to be found. Yes, absolutely, Michael.
Did you see the film? Nope?

Speaker 5 (52:16):
No, no, ohat watching Nope. It's a it's a real
good description of kind of what you're described. It's a
good like dramatization in a really wonderfully paced did you know,
funny yet intense science fiction film you know from Jordan
Peele and it's it's absolutely phenomenal and it's all about
like what's going on above ground, like in the clouds

(52:38):
or in the mountains, you know, and like what does
that feel?

Speaker 4 (52:42):
I think you'd get a kick because you said all
of that. I'm gonna watch it now. I hadn't had
a chance to see it, but I'm gonna take time
to watch very interesting film.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Let's go to uh, let's go to another one. Let's
see like one or two more conspiracy criz with Michael
Collier running ship.

Speaker 4 (52:59):
I thought we did.

Speaker 3 (53:01):
I've got one for you. Have you ever heard anyone
talking about fluoride in the water.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
I'm not sure no, except for okay, I know chlorine
in the water, but I don't know about fluoride the water.
What's that?

Speaker 3 (53:14):
Okay, Well, there's so there is fluoride in most of
America's public drinking water sources. And it goes back a
long time ago when it was decided that there needs
to be something a couple of different chemicals in the
water to clean it just a little bit as it
goes through the you know, the processing plants right the waste.

Speaker 4 (53:35):
But they didn't have a flint Michigan all right now.

Speaker 5 (53:42):
But but Matt, isn't the idea also that it's like
it's good for your teeth. But it's also something that
some people have issues with, like is it or is
it something else?

Speaker 4 (53:50):
Is it.

Speaker 1 (53:52):
Calcifying glass?

Speaker 3 (53:56):
The the scientific theory behind it and the reasoning behind
it is that consuming fluoride does strengthen teeth, but strengthened
that teeth strengthening is when fluorides apply directly to your teeth.
And how often are you just swishing water around all
the time except for if you're washing your mouth out right.
The concept is if you ingest enough of that fluoride,

(54:17):
it potentially has some subduing of the mind effects because
it was used in it was used by several groups,
including the Nazis, to subdue people in the past.

Speaker 4 (54:29):
I mean that's true but are you supposed to ingest it? Though?
Are you supposed to drink it? Well? I mean they
say it's fine, you know, I mean, you know, that's
like toothpaste. If you brush the teeth of two paste,
you're not supposed to because you know what's in it
and spit it out.

Speaker 5 (54:44):
But but man, man, wouldn't wouldn't the government say that
the amount that's in the water supply, which is acknowledged,
is safe to consume.

Speaker 3 (54:52):
Yeah, of course you'd have to be consistently drinking water
and peeing it out all day long.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Okay, Okay, I know, I know it's bullshit. If they
said it, they've had It's okay.

Speaker 1 (55:09):
We're seeing a lot of We're seeing a lot of
I think we're speaking a lot of the same languages here.
The idea of self reliance, it's very important to us. Uh,
the concept of yeah, we maybe we shouldn't automatically trust
people in power. Right, Uh, let's see another. Okay, corrupts and.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But I just think that we
as a people, uh, we fought everybody black and white.
Even though we still fight each other as black and white.
The bold of us will hear both black and white
fault to have the kind of country where people do
have decency, where there is an order, there's a hierarchy,
and there's an understanding of the direction we're going, and
we will all work towards that. That is the understanding.

(55:50):
This guy came into a system that's called politics and said, well,
let's get rid of the politicians. It's like the lifeguard
going down and saying, hey, who's gonna weak. Well, let's
get rid of everybody who can swim, all the people
that swim with me. Let's get some non swimmings. It's
god damn pool. You expect people to swim as politics.
You expect people to be political in the world of politics.
And so what we got is someone who's the opposite

(56:11):
of politics. And you think, can anything be worse than politics? Yes,
the opposite of it, which is called Trump. In fact,
you see right here, I got me some Trump politician.

Speaker 6 (56:23):
Uh.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
I can tell you there is nothing more joyful than
wiping your as with a helpless sheets. That is Trump issue.

Speaker 1 (56:32):
However, I want to say something though I want to,
I want to say something is defense. Uh. He has
been an amazing statesman and a great politician for Russia.

Speaker 4 (56:43):
He's got their best interest.

Speaker 5 (56:45):
But I would argue, though you say, you know, the
opposite of politics was worse than it's Trump, I would argue,
the opposite of politics is complete chaos, uh and no organization.
So it's like we you know, they always say that
what is a democracy is the worst system of government
except for.

Speaker 4 (56:59):
All the other ones.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
You know, we're all doing our best to buie byass
systemwhere we can exist and not murder each other. It's
not working supermand other countries. But we we can't though,
not just based on decorum, not.

Speaker 4 (57:15):
Just back goddamn it. That's a different show.

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Okay, forty acres, get get forty acres out in San Francisco,
you know, don't let them stick you with we get
to pick out in North Dakota.

Speaker 4 (57:30):
Well you your doctor, doctor Field just came out and
see it. If they took twelve trillion dollars, they could
pay off all the black descendants of slaves like three
hundred and fifty thousand dollars each. But they need to
turn it right back around and see it. But you
ain't get that kind of money to black people unless
you show the loose money. And doctor killed me fuckerr yeah,

(57:51):
it's not right now. He said, we first need to
have to train them how. We need to train them
how to properly use money. Otherwise, and these are his words,
it would be disastrous. So you saying you can't give
me the money you owe me unless I use it
the way you think is a proper way to use it.
If I take that ship and bury it in the backyard,

(58:11):
it's my shit. You should just give me what's man,
and don't say I can only have it under a
certain condition. Reparations mean repairing something that you understand you
have broken, and the breaker is supposed to fix it.
And they fixed that with the American Indian They gave
them off man casino them was a rolling. They did
it with the Japanese in the tournament camps. They gave

(58:32):
white folks money to make up for the slaves they
lost when they had to release the slaves. And nobody
asks any of those people what they're gonna do when
they get the money. They just say, here your stuff,
gonna have a good day. So doctor phild kissed my
butttop the darkest recesses. Okay, I'm sorry, go ahead.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
See I wish I was taught how to handle money,
because when I started my first job and knew how
to do things, I had no idea what to do
with money.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
I know idea.

Speaker 3 (59:00):
I feel like that's a thing that just comes with time,
or you've got some kind of teacher that has money
that shows you how it works. I'm just saying, like
I wish our public schools would.

Speaker 4 (59:09):
The public how do's he's in the school.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
It's a design. The public school system is designed to
create temperate factory workers. That's why. That's how it came.
That's whether there's not financial literacy classes right the closest.
A lot of people got with something like as.

Speaker 4 (59:38):
They took that away.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
Now, I don't know, can we hand with one conspiracy
I had?

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I had one too, but we'll just have mister call
your back.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Can I just quickly just add to sex ed was
controversial because they don't want people to have safe sex.
They want them to have too many goddamn kids so
that they're poor forever.

Speaker 4 (01:00:00):
So they didn't want to talk about it at all.
Or it's a controversy, the go ahead, you both had one,
we could squeeze the me and come on, Matt, what's
your theory?

Speaker 3 (01:00:06):
Okay, Well, my conspiracy is okay, it's the year. I
think it's probably nineteen ninety nine when you found out.
I have a feeling it wasn't two thousand. But when
you found out that there was a thing called the
Original Kings of Comedy Tour happening and you weren't a
part of it, where were you and how did you
find out?

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
First of all, I don't understand how they had a
show called the Kings of Comedy without the King. Let's
just start with that. I was right there at the time,
but I wasn't invited. You know, it was Steve's idea.
And the truth of the matter is he did invite
me at one point and then two weeks later I
tried to reach him. I never heard from him again.
But it was right around the time that he had
lost his first manager who we all loved, named Juan Hall,

(01:00:47):
and Wan Hall had died, so I guess the new
team came in and helped him change his man. I
was almost on that, but no, it didn't happen. Just
a lot of the things like that, I haven't Shaq
went out and did the Shack Comedy Tools. I wrote
Shack sh I he had thirty seven comedians. I say,
it ain't thirty seven motherfuckers on this planet that's funny
than me. It might be thirty two, thirty three, but

(01:01:09):
thirty seven one of a nigga got to do to
get on Shacks comedy things. So I don't know, and
when you would ask me? So, when did Shack become
the arbiter for what's funny? Just putting that out there.
He's so funny, goofy. Let me tell you something. He
is doing commercials for everything. He lost me last week though,
when he did that commercial for Tampacs, I said, I

(01:01:32):
am done Shack for tam PACs. I'm like, now, watch out.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Shock. Shack's a big deal here at our fair Metropolis
of Atlanta. Man, he runs the Krispy Krees.

Speaker 4 (01:01:42):
That's I'm a Shack fan. No, don't get it. I'm
a Shack fan.

Speaker 1 (01:01:49):
We all walked it back, Yeah, walked it back. But
so okay, here's uh, you know, I almost want to
save this one. We'll see if it works. But the last,
that's one I wanted to ask that we It's kind
of something we talk about a lot and a lot
of people privately believe in something like this wanted to
ask you, between just you millions of listeners in the

(01:02:12):
n Essay and us, do you believe in psychic powers?

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Oh? Absolutely absolutely. I know people who are brilliant at
it as well. No. Absolutely, I'm in that whole thing.
That's my thing right there. I'm with all of that,
everything that deals with the spiritual, with the energy of
connecting on a spiritual plane, on astro travel, all that can.
I absolutely believe in it. And I've done mushrooms, so

(01:02:39):
I have traveled, you know. I mean, if you understand
what what hallucinogenic mushrooms are about, you know, I have
taken a hero's dose. You know that is a hero does,
is like ten or more grams. I have taken enough
where I could literally fold space. There's a movie called Dune.
You're not that new original one from the real Herbert

(01:03:03):
from the real book. And in Dune they're all looking
for the spice, the spice milange. It gives you the
ability to fold space, to go anywhere in the universe
without moving. That's what mushrooms are. And man, I've sat
down and had conversations with my father who died when
I was twelve, and I've sat and had conversation with
him like he was here right now. So I believe

(01:03:26):
in all that type of stuff. Oh, absolutely, that stuff
is very very real. Do you think it can be taught? No,
I don't think. I think that's something you have or
you don't have. I don't think that could be taught.
You know, I have a great teacher of spirituality named Starius.
A Starius miraculously pull him up a starist, miracularize a

(01:03:51):
bad boy, and he could read his reading ninety eight
percent accurate. He does dideri, due wielding, he does energy old,
he does a thing called what's that thing that everybody
else is doing? Right reichy Ome. He does all of
those modalities, and he's king at that stuff. And I
absolutely believe, absolutely believe the stuff he's saying. And a

(01:04:12):
lot of it is he helped my life, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Yeah, Yeah, this is something where we're at the point
where I know we've opened several doors, not just the
doors of perception, but the doors the future. Conversation. Mister Collya,
the time has flown by What if time is more
than a construct? Maybe we'll maybe we'll be on mushrooms
next time we record. We've got to ask. Yeah, we
got to ask people, where's no shooting the thumbs up?

(01:04:37):
We gotta woo woo woo. Uh So, where can folks
learn more about your work? Where can they listen to
Michael talks to everybody? Where can they follow you online?

Speaker 4 (01:04:48):
Thank you for asking that very important, impertinent question. Okay,
y'all can fad me anyway? First of all, I do
the most amazing show in the whole world for me
right now, which is now Michael talks the air Body.
Because I'm doing that and it's not everybody, it's air
e r r bo d y Airbody. My first guest
was T. S. Madison. She had a show on WE

(01:05:09):
Network and she's just just a brilliant Uh. We have raw,
real people on my show. We had Earthquake come turn
it out. We had t I. I got to tease
him about him getting booed off stage, but he turned
that around. He was doing comedy, he got booed. Now
he figured it out and he's selling out places doing comedy.
Booing what nothing compared to JB. Smooth. Oh my god,

(01:05:31):
I love JB. Smooth. But they booed him so hard
in Atlanta. I could hear the shit in the plane
I was flying over here, boo, So why are they
doing JB Smooth? We love Joey Smooth. I love, but
sometimes you have to have the right material for the
right audience. The incorrect presentation can throw you off. And
I think in his case, he was in the wrong

(01:05:54):
place in the line of comedians because when you go up,
you're good, then better, then better, then better then better,
So it has the role. And I think he went
behind somebody else who's high energy. I think he followed
somebody like Oh, I think he followed who the guy
has his own show, Ricky Smiley, Ricky Smiley, because Ricky
Smiley was killed on Artistle Screaming. And then I think

(01:06:15):
jab just came out with some laid back, smooth comedy.
They wasn't ready for it, you know. So so on
the show we've had, I think the smartest black man
I've talked to so far, who is Heil Harper. I
don't even know how he get that big brain in
that little bit of head. We did a show called
It's Church Relevant, but I did it with three of
my heathen friends, so I felt like that wasn't quite Kosha.

(01:06:36):
So we went back and did part two and we
brought in Yolanda Adams and Bisp vans Old, so we
have people from the church that represent So we talked
to everybody about everything. It's off the chain and all
you can do is go to iHeart or wherever you
get your podcasts and put in. Michael talked to everybody.
That's one way to follow me. I have a morning
show five days a week on YouTube, Michael Kaya Morning Show.

(01:06:58):
I have I'm on Toby. I got two films on Tooby.
I got two films. Are just putting the can oh Man.
I just shot a movie where I played Jackade's husband
to Sheena Arnold's daddy. Uh. Tommy Davison is the minister
and the lady who played Cedric's girlfriend on Steve Harvey's show.

(01:07:18):
Terry J. Vinn directed it. It's called Soul Flat Christmas
and when I tell you it is amazing, you know. Plus,
my comedy album is out everybody. It's on all streaming services.
It's a picture of me sitting on a toilet. It's
called let Me Drop this on you, Yeah, on you,
And and then I'm dropping two books and this last thing.
I got two books. I have a children's book called

(01:07:38):
Little Bobby White, which is by a little black boy
who always wins because he always chooses to do the
right thing. You know. So we're supposed to get to
a point in our lives where we can't choose between
right and wrong if we know right and wrong. No,
that's the children's book, so that the children book children

(01:08:00):
about right, you know. The erotic book is called in
the Wet Spot Blewe a Rod Cup by mc butternuts
and it's gonna kill. It's an audiobook. Already did it
on a breakfast club. I did one point from it.
People went crazy. I did it on eighty five South.
People went crazy. So that's coming out like about two months.

(01:08:22):
And I'm hirable. Yes, the voices pass over, hangover. I
do a party of the phone booth if you promise
to call, I take green Steff food, step Connective money.
I take your bus transfer if it's got some time
left on it. I don't know what you'all talking about.
Were doing it around here, So.

Speaker 3 (01:08:41):
Michael, thank you so much for being This was a
delight and thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:08:45):
Oh he got bailed. Oh come on, somebody, that's fuel
that sounds I hear it in mane. Let me tell you,
I'd be having these chicken and now I'd be on
stage with them and people want the chicken. I had

(01:09:06):
the little one merchandising got them to me. He in
the audience, he said, I'll give you twenty dollars for
that chicken. I said, well, give me the money. So
he walked up the stage. He said, wait a minute, baby,
give me some more money. We're gonna give him thirty.
She said, dadd they give him fouty. So they gave
me forty for the chicken, and he turned around, walked
back to the table, and I went up to the microphone.

(01:09:27):
I said, I paid four dollars and eighty six cents
for that chicken, and it was just great. Your chicken
is very popular. Y'all will be hearing about the chicken
all over the world, you know.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
So there's a TikToker, a YouTube video where someone took
like fifty of those and squeezed them all at the
same time that it sounds will haunt your nightmare, I
tell you.

Speaker 4 (01:09:46):
At the same.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
Time, somebody made one that plays music too. They got
chickens with different pitches and rolled over them.

Speaker 4 (01:09:53):
Well, the internet is wild. Some sucker tried to trick
me and gave me a dunk.

Speaker 1 (01:10:04):
Customer. Well, folks again, as you said, Matt, mister, call you.
Thank you so much for being so generous with your time. Today.
The show is Michael talks to everybody. Full disclosure. I've
been on there once.

Speaker 4 (01:10:16):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:18):
I'd love to.

Speaker 4 (01:10:19):
Thank you so much, all three of y'alls to come
on the one together and let's just have fun to
chop it up. I would love that so much. You know,
we thank you for the invitation. We love to I know,
I am honest, I've been here. This was so much fun. God,
bless y'all, real good man, thank you, thank you, thank you,
love everybody. Her name is Sonia and she soon will
be Sonia. We get engaged. God, bless y'all, thank you

(01:10:44):
so much. Having we want to come hang with you
in Venice Beach. You see shoot this special this summer.
It's gonna blow your man, and I'm giving them money
to the homeless. It's gonna be that's beautiful.

Speaker 1 (01:10:56):
Watch We'll come through.

Speaker 4 (01:10:58):
Thank you. I appreciate you me any time. By now.

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
What a ride we could have done. We could have
done that for easily a couple more hours.

Speaker 5 (01:11:07):
Right, It's like riding on a jet ski, on a surfboard,
on a raging bull of some I mean it was
just all the kinds of rides like like packed into one.
What a delight, What a cool human with a wealth
of experience and interesting perspective.

Speaker 4 (01:11:23):
Man, that was awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
It's almost like Michael spent years and years and years
performing every day for giant audiences somewhere.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
You can't fake that kind of timing, man, you just
can't do it. That was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Mister c Is is indeed a very genuine person, great guy,
and we're not We're not blowing smoke, folks. When we
have people on our show, we're respectful your time as well.
So we only really have people on if we think
it's going to be a worthwhile conversation exploration. Do check

(01:11:57):
him out. Everything that said is this is where we
also learned Matt as a huge art hotshots part du fan.

Speaker 3 (01:12:04):
Sorry about that look that it was. It meant a
lot to me in my life. I guess around the time.
I was only ten when it came out, so I
don't think I saw it like immediately. I must have
been a little older when I finally found it.

Speaker 5 (01:12:16):
But uh wow, I think I remember renting it from
the video store. I do remember it coming out in
theaters because speaking of chickens, doesn't isn't he like like
shooting a chicken out of his bow and arrow and
it's like on fire and it's obviously Charlie. I meant
to follow up, like, did Charlie Sheen just discover him
on Venice Beach and that's how he got the gig.
I wanted to hear that story, but we went so

(01:12:38):
many places we could have gone. Oh the places you'll
go when you talk to Michael Collier.

Speaker 1 (01:12:43):
That was awesome and who knew he was a fellow
psychonaut yea. We want to hear some of your thoughts
regarding this. No, I think we're fans of playing the
conspiracy Quiz game. We also want to hear, of course,
your your ideas, your suggestions for future episodes, things you

(01:13:03):
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Speaker 4 (01:13:13):
You know, either either or I recommend the latter, but
the first one's fun.

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