February 6, 2019 • 49 mins
The nation of China recently made international news by successfully completing an unmanned landing on the far side of Earth’s moon, marking a pivotal point in the resurgent space race. So why do some observers believe there’s more to the story?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
(00:24):
back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is They called me Ben. We are joined with our
super producer Paul Mission controlled deconds. Most importantly, you are you,
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. Paul. Just as an aside here,
your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for
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anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening,
we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's
been a it's been a huge dream about twenty one
million Americans that can vents that never happened, right, So
take that with a grain of salt. We have some
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recent developments here in twenty nineteen that we're a long
time in the making. Humanities study the Moon dates back
way before recorded history, and it was only as recently
as the nineteen sixties. Again, if you believe the official
story that we actually managed to send bona fide, genuine
human beings to the lunar surface, and then after a
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few manned moon missions, we just stopped. Yeah, we were done.
We found everything we needed to find. Um, you know,
the castles and extraterrestrial moon bases on there were kept
under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need to do
anything else. And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be
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the tremendous cost involved with every moon launch in across
every imaginal industry you could think of. But still we
can understand and how it seems strange to achieve something
so breathtaking and then just stop, you know what I mean. Yeah,
so this situation seemed set to be the new normal
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that we would forever be in a in a near
Earth orbit limbo. Right, We'd have tons of spy satellites,
we'd have those things that can drop what what is it,
a rod, like a titanium rod. Have you guys heard
of these? Yeah, like a railgun. It would just drop
a rod from space onto its target and would hit
with such enormous force that it would it would be
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like a nuclear bomb. It's a rail bomb, that's so
it would just detonate on impact. I don't know, doesn't
it would just wreck shop. Yeah, it would just knock
the heck out of something. Yeah, dude, And well, yeah,
it's weird to think that humans have stayed in that
near Earth orbit for all this time. If people go
into space, it's right outside and yeah, and it's a
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very bad for you to live in such low gravity, right,
But be that as it may. Aside from the few
experiments that we had ongoing, and don't get us wrong, folks,
these are amazing innovative things. The International Space Station is
one of the most important structures humanity has ever built.
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But it looked like that was going to be it
for us, that we were just going to be caught
in this cosmic purgatory, until the situation began to change,
especially in January of nineteen when China announced that it
had successfully landed a probe on the far side of
the moon, or you know we we sometimes call it
the dark side. Far side of the moon is the
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hemisphere that never faces us. We're not on speaking terms
with it due to the Moon's rotation. Sometimes we call
it the dark side of the moon because that sounds,
let's be honest, incredibly cool. But it receives just as
much sunlight as the side that faces us. What that's
destroys all of my let down, Floyd lied to us.
(04:06):
They did. They did oh man, as my mother would say,
they didn't let the truth stand in the way of
a good story or concept album. Yeah, I've heard that too,
So what are what are the facts about this thing?
This probably popped up in most people's news feeds. But
what actually happened. Well, it's part of something called the
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Change program and it's been going on for quite a
while now. But the the chang e four, the fourth
I guess uh phase of this program. It it achieved
the first soft landing on the dark side of the
moon on January three, twenty nineteen. That's this year, not
that long ago actually, And um, what was this thing?
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Is that what you're asking? What was this? Well, it
was a relay satellite, a lunar lander, and a rover
named you Too Too. You t exactly has the amazing
translation of jade rabbit second Jade rabbit. Yeah, well, and
and YouTube this jade rabbit is actually a pet to change,
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which was a goddess and moon goddess or is the
moon goddess? Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's
three different components. Right. First, they have to get the
relay satellite up there that is step one because direct
communication with Earth is impossible on the far side of
the Moon because there's an entire moon in the way,
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you know what I mean. So communications have to hit
this relay satellite and it's placed in a location that
has a clear view of the landing area and planet Earth.
Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking
at all about it. But it just we forget maybe
sometimes how much planning and ridiculous math that it takes
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to do any one of these things, and then to
have all of them work in concert like this, It's
an incredible feat. Boggles the mind. It is not an
improv exercise for sure. On mayen, the China National Space
Administration or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to
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Halo orbit around the Earth Moon L two point. This
was the first step, and the relay satellite was based
on a another earlier satellites design. We can tell you
some of the stats about it if you would like
to hear them. First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine
thirty seven pounds or for the rest of the world
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four It's heavy, man, it is heavy. I mean, I
guess it's not heavy in space, but it seems like
a lot to get up there, you know, And it's
not that large, right, yeah, But it does have a
nice big old antenna. It's that's four point two meters
or fourteen feet for us UM and it receives the
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it receives X band signals from the lander again, and
then it sends them down to Earth. Pretty cool stuff
and and I guess it can also send information the
other way if need be. And the relay satellite has
some help up there with a form of two micro satellites,
which is super cool in my opinion. It's I don't
know how any bitty they are, but it's just a
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cool idea of a micro satellite working in conjunction with these.
It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon River two, or
long Jang and the first one that they sent up there,
lung Jang one, was unsuccessful, but the second iteration made it.
It is still going strong. Nice cute is a button.
Can you imagine the Pixar stories that will spring from this?
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Oh Man, an anthropomorphized micro satellite sounds like oh in
the it's like a brother and sister can hang out
with Wally and that whole universe oh my gosh, and
they just want to help out the rover. We have
a little bit of information about the land ander and
the rover, but it's it's somewhat limited. As you can understand,
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the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really
cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras,
one for just landing and one for terrain as a spectrometer,
has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosameter,
and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar
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micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me.
We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean,
but this is a little bit different. It's a sealed
biosphere that has seeds and insect eggs, and it's been
to measure their growth and development in space space space, space,
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and specifically on the Moon and specifically on the moon.
Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They
have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called ebidopsis. Yep,
you got this, ben that's actually is that's it? I
don't know you had a pregnant pause. It was the
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second part of the of the of the of the name.
I figured it was apidosis specular. Um, yeah, right now,
I think it's just a pidopsis, and I'm probably mispronouncing.
It was that upward inflection that like had me on
the edge of my seat. It was that word was
like an obstacle course that I accidentally and blindly ran through.
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You know, you got it right, do you think? So
we'll see a rebidopsis. Uh. Yeah, it's a small flowering plant.
It belongs to the mustard family. And the insect eggs
were actually silkworm cocoons. Very nice, and we mentioned those
two cameras. You can already see images. I guess it's
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a video that is just an image sequence of the
lander actually landing, and it's always I mean, that's always
fun to watch and it will be scoured over by
the internet just for the for the rest what years,
see the pixels exactly exactly. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Uh.
This mission was originally scheduled for December. Uh. It is
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meant to explore and assess this unexplored region of the Moon,
which South Pole, and the aim here is to learn
more about the age of the area and then to
facilitate the construction of technology needed to create a successful
lunar colony. Right, we've talked about it. We've talked about it.
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I cannot wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's gonna
be dangerous. It's going to be not the most luxurious
place to live. But wouldn't you go? Would you go?
Would you go to a moon colony? No? Why not? Not? Unless?
I like not, unless stuff got so bad here that
it was like an absolute thing that was going to
save my and my family's life. I'm a big old whimp,
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you guys. Not just to get in early, it's gonna say,
not just to visit? What am I like? Flying to
Los Angeles? It takes like five hours and then my
legs get really stiff. Going to the Moon. That just
sounds like a nightmare. How want would it take? Because
it do? We do? We know this. It takes about
three days for spacecraft to reach the Moon with current technology. Man,
I that noise, but are you serious? Sorry? It's just
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spoil sports. It does sound amazing, And you know, maybe
if I had the opportunity, I might rethink it. Right now,
I'm just being a curmudgeon. I'm a space you know,
I would have you know that about me? What if
it was a huge spacecraft that's just ostensibly a conspiracy
cruise that you got to take. I don't know, man,
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I would be paranoid that we would just someone would
of course correct us, and we end up going into
the sun. They still haven't figured out who drilled that
hole in the I s s oh, that's true. Well,
you know, I would have to just say and answer
to your question. I would do pretty much anything to
be able to follow in doc Rendezvous shoes. Yes. Oh,
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could save and in the near future, let's look at
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what the Chonggi for expects to accomplish. Ultimately, they want
to do stuff that sets them up for success later
on in this mission, which is an ongoing Star Trek
esque thing. First, this rover will measure the chemical compositions
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of lunar rocks and soils. It will measure lunar surface temperature.
While it's out in the field. It will carry out
low frequency radio astronomical observation and research using a radio telescope,
which right now is going to be the envy of
every astronomer on this planet because it is one of
the quietest places to use this sort of telescope. Yeah,
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and what a cool idea, just to get as little
interference as necessary. The the next thing, the next two
things actually looking at cosmic rays. That's cool, some powerful
things cosmic rays. Uh. And then to study the solar
corona and investigate the radiation that's coming off of the
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Sun and specifically to explore coronal mass ejections, which is
one of your favorite doomsday scenario. Yeah, exactly. So thank you,
Thank you everyone involved in the project for studying those
because I do feel like that's gonna be one thing
that causes a massive issue at some point on this
planet in the next hundred years. Now. We did a
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video on this a while back, but could you remind
everybody what CME is or maybe just what it does. Oh? Sure.
It's a massive charged particles that get ejected from the
Sun and they just head outwards. And if they head
towards the Earth and they happen to run into Earth,
they can do a lot of things. The one of
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the biggest things is that they affect. They have an
effect that's kind of like what you hear is in
what is it um E m P electromagnetic pulse kind
of thing where it will fry circuits essentially um and
just destroy anything that's electronic and a call back to
our pal Josh Clark's End of the World show. Isn't
that a potential existential risk? Yes? Yeah, yeah, And it's
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out there looming. Whenever you see sun spots like that
are aimed at the Earth, I always think, like, see,
I don't even need to get shot into the Sun
with a spaceship to get fried by its mighty rays.
Here in the United States, the Sun shoots you exactly.
That's good. That was my Russian, uh, the United States
a little more Brooklyn than Russia. I don't know what
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it was, Siberia, Brooklyn, Siberia by way of Brooklynlyn. So
this this is important stuff, right And I think did
we mention that simes have occurred like in Canada in
nineteen eighties, Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's have been some
recorded instances of a CME, and probably over the span
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of humanity there have been CMEs that have occurred that
we just didn't understand what they were at the time,
and they had some weird effects. Didn't have so many
transistors and you know CPUs back in the day, that
would be affected fully. But elect but electrical systems like
long wires that carry electricity, they can be affected as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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The thing that makes the far side of the Moon
so attractive is the same thing that makes it so
difficult to UM to get to her to communicate with
It's tough you have to use that relay satellite, but
the scientific payoff is huge. According to Tong Jilieu, deputy
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director of the Lunar Exploration Space Program Center for the
China National Space Administration against ISNA, UH, the far side
of the Moon is shielded from electromagnetic interference from Earth,
making it an ideal place to research the space environment
and solar bursts, and the probe can listen to the
deeper reaches of the cosmos. They're burying the lead a
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little bit here because for any fans of extraterrestrials UFO
exploration in the audience, that is a clear indication that
they may may be capable of sensing some signal that
would not ordinarily, uh be within our means to differentiate
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from the background noise. Yeah, dude, Oh that's really cool,
and it will be of course gray aliens from Andromeda
most likely, of course, of course um and or reptilians
from a different galaxies also Andromeda. Okay, okay, right, I seriously,
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I really hope I feel like the reptilians from some
galaxy called like, you know, some weird name and then
a number, you know, like Corcus nine. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
but yes, they're from the Draco constellation, right, got it,
got it? Obviously right. So, as we could assume from
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the name, the chungy For represents one of several steps
in China's lunar exploration program, or clapp. It's a series
of robotic by which we mean manned missions to the
lunar surface. And the name, as we had mentioned before,
pays homage to a Chinese goddess of the moon. The
program spans multiple years. It's meant to be conducted in
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three phases of incremental technological advancement. You know. CHANGI four
is one in an iteration that doesn't end with four,
and it's kind of like uh hines fifty seven, except
there really are fifty six other varieties, right, And the
first thing they did was just to reach lunar orbit.
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They said, let's just get something to orbit the Moon
without completely screwing it up. Yeah, And they did the
twelve years ago almost two seven mm hm with the
Change one, and its job was pretty simple. It was
a success. It was such a success that it overstayed
it's welcome. It's stayed in orbit until March of two
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thousand nine. And then they launched the chong E two,
which is a pretty interesting, pretty interesting thing because it
didn't just do a typical lunar orbit, did it. Yeah.
So the chong E two was an updated version of
its predecessor with a lot of tech improvements things like
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better onboard cameras and UM. The satellite UH is currently
in deep space as we speak and expected to return
to Earth sometime in or around nine, which is a
very futuristic sounding date. When you say it out loud,
it is yeah, but used to own equally astonishing. Well,
you know, hindsight is there we go nine, So this
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is neat because it's traveling. The experiment here is to
send this thing on a very far orbit and then
have it return right and if we can, if our
species can establish this proof of concept, then we will
also be able to potentially in the future send people
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further out if that fat ever comes back in style.
The second phases to land and rove around on the Moon,
as Change three did in Changy four did in January
twenty nineteen. UH in the Change three became the first
object to land on the Moon since the Soviet Union's
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Lunar twenty four in nineteen seventy six. Officially, this UM
objective of this was to achieve China's first soft landing
and rover exploration on the Moon, as well as again
demonstrate developed technology for future missions. It did a lot
of lunar surveying. It measured the lunar crust to a
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depth of several hundred meters. It also discovered a new
type of rocks. So go you number three. That's sweet.
I have a quick question for you guys. Yeah, um,
you see talked about the idea of sending human Stauter
spaces being like a fat and I think that's funny
and also true because we think of that being the
only way to do space or exploration. But obviously the
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technology is such that we don't have to risk the
human lives to do the work and get the data.
Is can you think of a reason why it would
become back in style or you know, like important for
the mission to send humans rather than rovers and um,
you know, other remote controlled things to construct the lunar
colony and then eventually have all of the colonists there,
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unless we were doing a full AI colony, which could
be interested, so it would be more like construction stuff.
I mean, like you, there's really no reason to have
humans out there digging for samples when you can have
like a robot do it just as effectively, if not
more so. Right right, One of the big pieces here
would also be having it would also be the advantage
of having a person on the ground to repair machinery,
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which machines can't quite do yet. But ultimately, the whole
goal with sending people up there and exploratory um occupations
is to build, as you said, Matt, a lasting non
earth presence for humanity to start to seed the Solar
System and then later maybe eventually the galaxy, unless that
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already happened before and we are an unknowing results or
consequence of that earlier action has been happening since nineteen
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Cool Vapes, rare Steaks Deep Space and the third step
in this plan is to collect lunar samples from the
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near side of the Moon and send them back to
Earth in it just going in. Uh, this is a
task for chang E five and the Change six missions,
and they get more and more advanced eventually, so the
big game changers are going to be Chong E seven
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and eight, because Chang E eight will hopefully include a
three D printing mechanism to begin fabricating structures. Uh. The
people eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like
its predecessor, will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it
to see how things grow over the long term. This
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is meant to bring people. Initially it will be scientists,
but eventually it will just be a breeding population to
bring human beings to the Moon and build a permanent
outpost somewhere near the lunar South Pole. Overall, this seems
to be a well planned out, ambitious yet reasoned push
to expand human knowledge. Chinese came very late to the
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space race. Their first satellite was launched in nineteen seventy,
well after human beings officially landed on the Moon, but
China has invested billions of dollars in the space race
ever since. And it shows go humanity, right, Yeah, go humanity.
Let's all get to the moon first and build a
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base first. Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story,
and here's where it gets easy. Yeah, the CLIP program
is raised alarms and other space programs NASA, Jackson so on,
as well as countries across the planet. And with good reason.
This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back
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to what we would call the militarization of space, which
is against the closest thing we have to global law, right,
And the problem is that a lot of the things
you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you
could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology.
So when you guys remember back when, uh back when
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there was that uh cover story about the existence of
weapons of mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle East,
what that happened, Well, one of the big concerns there
was the idea of dual use technology. The same enrichment
process you use to build um a relatively safe nuclear
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power plant, is the same enrichment process you use to
build weapons. But the only thing that really changes is
the number of iterations, right that the number of times
you go through that process, And in a way, space
technology is similar. Although laws prevent the militarization of space,
these are pretty tough to enforce, right, I mean, what
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are you gonna wait, what are you gonna You're gonna
send the cops, the Space Cops. We don't even have
Space Force yet, not yet. Did you hear about the
Steve Carrell show Space Force. It's gonna it can be
like The Office, but in space, I hear tell. And
I'm trying not to get too excited. Abot, Why isn't
that just The Orville? I think The Orville is much
more of a star. I've heard it, so I haven't
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seen it. I've seen it's good, So let's just be
the Office in space. And that's what I thought. That
was the one line pitch. That's obviously the lowest hanging
fruit type show for Steve Carrell to do. But I
don't know. I'm em intrigued. I'll check it out. I'll
check it out. Let us know if you think it's
gonna be a bomb, or if you think it's it's
gonna be a new age in space based company. I
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thinking of TV shows. Yes, True Detective season three, Oh yeah,
are you caught up? Dude? It's really good. It's really
really good. Because I did not like the second season.
It lost me and I wanted to like it. I
was really trepidacious about season three. But I think it's fantastic.
People would have liked the second season if it was
not build as true Detective season two, if it had
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just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as
though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughan
often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard
working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to
ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill
out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance with research,
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funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in
the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of
other nations all the time, right, That's why we we
did that episode. Didn't know what happens if someone commits
a murder into Antarctica. Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that,
dulous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth
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checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here
is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases
concerns about dual use technology because there's a U S
Law from Tleven that bans any official contact with Chinese
space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and Yasma
(29:31):
of mistrust. Wow, and that is why in recent history,
UM Vice President Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon.
This was in January as well, and he accused China
and Russia of developing technologies and weapons to target U
S satellites and working to bring new weapons of war
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into space itself. Yeah, because nobody acts aggressively on the
our own right, We're always acting in defense of something.
Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into
space while we're doing it too. I'm just kidding. We
have no proof that we're doing that, but it leads
to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the X
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thirty seven being doing up there? Right? That is the
unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than a hundred
and eighty days before. No one officially knows what it's doing.
So what if there are ulterior motives to the newest,
the newest fouries into space by China, what are they,
to quote Tom Waits building up there? This builds on
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the concern about the militarization of space and the next
question becomes more specific, what what are they making? One
guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business. Because
China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting fusion
ready helium three. This is something that was new to me.
(30:58):
Were you guys aware of this? I believe we talked
about it on a Moon episode a while ago, or
with the Mars episode, maybe with Marshall Brain. I can't remember,
or maybe I've just learned about this. God, I don't know.
I thought I talked with you about this. Man um
Helium three a massive source for future fuel, like what
we're going to probably be using in the Moon, has
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a whole heck of a lot of it. Yeah, Helium
three is a is a very um tasty nuclear fuel
because there are no neutrons generated as a product of
the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge,
and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah,
I think you I think you are right. We did.
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We did talk a little bit about this, maybe with
the good Mr. Brain people. Once imagine that Saturn or
Jupiter would be the right place to get your hands
on some on some helium three. But now it looks
like China has their site set on the Moon, and
we have a quote about how much stuff might be
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up there. This comes from extreme tech, and it says
although the Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever
it blows, the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall
by its own magnetic field UM, and the little we
do have is mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like
cosmic ray bombardment and even relic sources from leftover nuclear
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warheads UM. The Moon, on the other hand, is a
far more concentrated depot, with up to five million tons
conveniently embedded in its top surface layer. So it's not
even that difficult to mind it. No, it's not. It's
not buried deep in the lunar surface. But guys are
changing the moon if you take that stuff off. You
(32:43):
know what I'm saying, escape, If you mind enough of
this helium three, what are you going to do to
the not only the composition of the Moon, but also, oh,
I don't know the mass of the moon. If we
mind it the way we you know, we take down
trees in the Amazon, like, good lord, we're gonna have
a hollow moon. You know, I get the feeling that
(33:07):
you're thirty joking, Yes, raising a legit concern, right, It's
true it's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially,
uh potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster,
perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually
(33:32):
mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would
humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the
Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.
I can't imagine that it would happen any time in
the near future, and by that I mean hundreds and
hundreds of years. But still we would be mining it
for a while. We why would we stop mining it
(33:53):
unless we could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna
crash into the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna
change the tide's X amount because of this. And I
can't even imagine helium having enough of an effect on
any of that stuff, just with the amount of massac
it has in volume on that But what if that's
a um what if that's a cover story as well?
(34:15):
What if the mining is cover story? What if they're
looking for something else. According to one of the United
Kingdom's favorite UH tabloids, The Sun, last year, a guy
named Coral Wolf, the technician at the Air Force Tactical
Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia claimed to have discovered
artificial structures on the far side of the Moon. Go
(34:37):
On and they found strange shapes and images taken by
the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon
since back in oh nine, and according to Wolf, these
were structures that were definitely not created by natural means
such as meteors or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies.
He believes that the structures were quote created by intelligent beings.
(34:59):
Most noticeable was what looked like radar antennas, very similar
to what you could see on Earth. Hold on, Yeah,
what is going on here? This is a gentleman that
appears to have some credentials from the Air Force Tactical
Air Command Headquarters that is saying these things. No, why, no?
(35:22):
What does that mean? We've been here before, someone has
been here before and set up all of like maybe
a base is already there. What what is happening to
you guys? I you know what, I'm gonna let let
that summer because I have an update for that, but
I was I wanted to save it for the end
of the show. Is that, Okay, do be a weird
(35:44):
update when everybody need to know going in, it's going
to be a weird one. But for now, let's just
remember that Carl Wolf, technician Air Force Tactical Air Command
totally believe there are structures of some sort that did
not occur naturally that is on the far side of
the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures. Yes, and
has in his opinion, visual evidence. Oh guys, let's take
(36:08):
a quick pause and then have a word from our
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to the Moon. There are other people who argue that, uh,
that maybe we're opening a door we shouldn't open. There
(36:28):
are some conspiracy theorists who say that the probe could
put us all immortal danger, arguing that alien races living
on the Moon, just to go with us here for
a second, could see the landing as an act of
war against their species, potentially with devastating consequences. Other people
believe that the dark side of the Moon is peppered
(36:49):
by creators left by secret NASA military bombings. Okay, bombing, Wait,
you mean like from when we tried to blow up
the moon or when we tried to blow up the
alien races. But there's that whole story where we were
trying to intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the
Moon that would make a big cloud they could see
(37:10):
to demonstrate our superiority. Didn't Is this that I make
this up? This issue, that's the thing that really happened.
It never got past the planning stages. But that's what's
that's what Mr. Show is referencing. And they're famous blow
up the Moon sketch. So you're saying there are craters
that possibly were left by some version of what we're
talking about that did happen. People. There are people who
(37:32):
believe it interesting. I I myself, it's I I am
of the opinion that it seems like a lot of
trouble to go to, right, especially given the propaganda value.
You would want to detonate something like that on the
Earth facing side. Yeah, but if you were an alien
community or in an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that
(37:55):
dark side of the moon would be pretty advantageous. Oh yeah,
it'd be dope. You're not going to be found, you're
not getting you know, you can actually make your own
radio programs and not get interrupted by all the noise.
This this theory first arose in two thousand nine after
NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the lunar surface.
(38:18):
They said it was an attempt to kick up moon
dust so they could analyze this debris from Earth and
determine if the Moon held any water. So that's that's there,
that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, are you over
the lies of Big NASA? No, it's just not as
much fun, that's all it is. We're gonna look at
(38:40):
a cloud studio's content. But it's important if you want
to build a colony on the Moon. This is the
more long term question. And it reminds reminds me at
least of that Marshall Brain episode where he walked us
through his thought experiment on how to set up a
Martian society. He um, he had some He has pretty
articulated social theories, right, And one thing that's almost inescapable,
(39:07):
whether you're talking the Moon or Mars, is that after
some amount of time, any actual self sustaining non Earth
colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity, kind of
like the colonies in North and South America when it
used to be called the New World. The cost of
transportation and governance eventually became too high for the European powers,
(39:31):
and the terrestrial overlords of the future will also have
a tough time maintaining control. And unless they bake in
some specific, unchangeable dependencies, they probably won't rule the Moon
for long. Maybe they would have to do something like
be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or be able
to turn off the air or something. Yeah, but then
(39:53):
that all changes as soon as the colony of self
sustaining and you're growing plants and some kind of biosphere thing,
you know, I mean, quickly the colony becomes in control
of itself. Yeah, if the colony doesn't collapse under its
own um, the weight of its own social functioning, right,
I mean, look, we've all seen Biodome. It is a
(40:17):
harrowing exploration of the human psyche. Almost the documentary. Almost
the documentary. I believe the future will prove it to
be so, right, I squeeze the juice, squeeze the juice,
dogs or whatever. He's still out there. He's weezing the
juice to this day. So there's just from Encino man too.
(40:37):
But I know I don't both of those, didn't he
just have the set catchphrases that he said in every film.
No that, I don't think so. I think we's in
the juice was pretty specifically an Encino man. They they
go to the convenience store and they terrorized that poor
clerk by wheezing the jewice, which basically theft because they're
just stealing slurpy juice and it's very unsand it he's
(41:00):
just putting his mouth right on the slurpe apple. But
they probably faked a lot of that right that Hashier
was a paid actor. They didn't actually break into a thing.
What you're saying, a man wasn't a documentary, and it's not.
It's a it's speculative nonfiction, if that feels better. This
leads us to one of the last questions about the
(41:22):
Lunar Landing, the Chinese Lunar Landing project, which is, of
course we all saw this coming. Did they fake it?
The rumors about a hoax were started by a guy
named Scott C. Waring of UFO Sightings Daily, and he said,
I guess China may have decided. Since NASA fake the
first Apollo Moon landing and got away with it, then
China want it in on it too, and he supports
(41:43):
his evidence by doing the same thing that Carl Wolf did,
which is say, look at the original photo. You'll see
there are no other lines in the entire giant panoramic photo. OMG,
this is so very disappointing. Note the lack of moon
rocks on the entire surface of the Moon, which is
exactly what the first Apollo moon landing also showed a
(42:04):
sign of being faked on a stage. What I know
for him this is like a smoking smoking gun. And
as we mentioned before, a lot of people, a surprising
amount of people got behind this because you know, twenty
one million people in the US alone still believe the
moon landings were faked for one reason or another. And
(42:27):
if you were one of those twenty one million people,
we'd love to hear your story. You can write to
us directly. You can find us on the Instagram's, the
twitters and the facebooks. But where does this leave us? All?
Now here we are now it's the beginning twenty nineteen.
Is we record this, Things are about to go. Nuts
and bananas on our nearest rocky relative out there in orbit,
(42:53):
Nuts and bananas on the moon. Nuts and bananas on
the Moon. Yeah, we've never thought about pairing those with
the chief unless it was like a fine bree maybe
moon cheese. Yeah, isn't the moon made out of cheese? Well,
moon cheese is a very specific snack available at your
local Starbucks and health food stores. I think yeah, and
the moon is probably made out of cheese with very
(43:15):
high helium three content. So I don't know, I don't
know what what what side of the argument that puts
you on map that I just want you to be
aware of that. Okay, thank you, absolutely no, but you're right. Yes,
it's going it's gonna get very busy up on the moon.
And it's cool to think that in the next twenty years,
(43:35):
like the timelines that UM are mapped out for the
Changy I guess the program and then as well as
the United States trying to get up there. It's around
twenty thirty something, I think when all this stuff will
be completed. If you look at the US and China,
that's not that far away and we could possibly see
lunar colonies. That is still mind blowing to me. But
(43:59):
all kidding is side UM. Beijing is careful distress that
everything it's doing on the Moon at this point, and
everything that's planning, it's all peaceful motives. They're doing with
peaceful motives. Um in exploring space, however, I mean, we
we have to just we have to remember that the
United States use China and Russia as a potential threat
(44:22):
to national security. And that's why our current president, Donald Trump,
he called for the establishment of a space force, by
a space force. No, that sounds familiar. I'm excited about it,
all right. Yeah. The problem is that most of this stuff, again,
(44:45):
you can say that you're developing it for peaceful means
all the livelong day. It doesn't it doesn't take away
the fact that one really could turn it into turn
some of these technologies into weapons of war. The U
S and other would be space very nations obviously don't
want to be left out or caught defenseless. That is
why on December eleven, anniversary of the Apollo seventeth lunar
(45:09):
landing ak the last time people walked on the Moon,
President Trump signed the Space Policy Directive One. It directs
NASA to take astronauts to the Moon with the help
of the US commercial space industry. So SpaceX lan Musk
I'm sure is up in there, yet there is very
little detail on exactly how and when this might happen
(45:31):
and how much the White House will spend, and in
the meantime, the clock is ticking. Would you like to
hear that last somewhat unpleasant update, Yes, I do, But
I do want to add this one information that I
got from NASA DOKV. They've got a graphic that has
the exploration campaign written out up until and it kind
(45:56):
of gives you a timeline. But none of this stuff
is solid, and it's all basically what we hope to achieve,
and you can find it on there when you have
to aim for the stars quite literally in this in
this instance, here is the here's the weird update. That
guy Carl Wolfe who said that he had seen pictures
(46:17):
of a secret alien based on the Dark Side of
the Moon during his time as a sergeant at Langley
okay uh in, I want to say October of eighteen
or somewhere thereabouts. He was killed, you struck by a
tractor trailer riding his bicycle on October t actually, and
(46:43):
police were investigating the incident, but there were no charges filed.
The sheriff refrain from releasing the driver's name. This This
is someone who had contacted Dr Stephen Greer as well
Buddy Steve Graher. He was Carl Woolf was in and
of this world. But at this time authorities do not
(47:04):
suspect foul play. But he he did unfortunately pass away.
So for some people, that's going to indicate that he
was a whistle blower. From other people is just going
to indicate how dangerous traffic is. The choices up to you. Wow, well,
now I'm going to go and find myself researching that
for the next at least nine hours. Yes, sorry, Matty,
(47:29):
I should have opened with that. But we want to
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How can we start doing this unison thing? I kind
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that a thing now? Is all? It's a good thing.
I'm on board, guys. Somebody is listening, and they're they're
saying that a long way, you know what I mean. Oh,
(48:59):
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
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(00:24):
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You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. Paul. Just as an aside here,
your nickname is very appropriate for today's episode. We for
(00:46):
anyone who doesn't check the title of the podcast before listening,
we are as a species returning to the Moon. It's
been a it's been a huge dream about twenty one
million Americans that can vents that never happened, right, So
take that with a grain of salt. We have some
(01:07):
recent developments here in twenty nineteen that we're a long
time in the making. Humanities study the Moon dates back
way before recorded history, and it was only as recently
as the nineteen sixties. Again, if you believe the official
story that we actually managed to send bona fide, genuine
human beings to the lunar surface, and then after a
(01:29):
few manned moon missions, we just stopped. Yeah, we were done.
We found everything we needed to find. Um, you know,
the castles and extraterrestrial moon bases on there were kept
under wraps successfully. So yeah, we didn't need to do
anything else. And the mainstream narrative, of course, would be
(01:49):
the tremendous cost involved with every moon launch in across
every imaginal industry you could think of. But still we
can understand and how it seems strange to achieve something
so breathtaking and then just stop, you know what I mean. Yeah,
so this situation seemed set to be the new normal
(02:12):
that we would forever be in a in a near
Earth orbit limbo. Right, We'd have tons of spy satellites,
we'd have those things that can drop what what is it,
a rod, like a titanium rod. Have you guys heard
of these? Yeah, like a railgun. It would just drop
a rod from space onto its target and would hit
with such enormous force that it would it would be
(02:36):
like a nuclear bomb. It's a rail bomb, that's so
it would just detonate on impact. I don't know, doesn't
it would just wreck shop. Yeah, it would just knock
the heck out of something. Yeah, dude, And well, yeah,
it's weird to think that humans have stayed in that
near Earth orbit for all this time. If people go
into space, it's right outside and yeah, and it's a
(03:00):
very bad for you to live in such low gravity, right,
But be that as it may. Aside from the few
experiments that we had ongoing, and don't get us wrong, folks,
these are amazing innovative things. The International Space Station is
one of the most important structures humanity has ever built.
(03:21):
But it looked like that was going to be it
for us, that we were just going to be caught
in this cosmic purgatory, until the situation began to change,
especially in January of nineteen when China announced that it
had successfully landed a probe on the far side of
the moon, or you know we we sometimes call it
the dark side. Far side of the moon is the
(03:42):
hemisphere that never faces us. We're not on speaking terms
with it due to the Moon's rotation. Sometimes we call
it the dark side of the moon because that sounds,
let's be honest, incredibly cool. But it receives just as
much sunlight as the side that faces us. What that's
destroys all of my let down, Floyd lied to us.
(04:06):
They did. They did oh man, as my mother would say,
they didn't let the truth stand in the way of
a good story or concept album. Yeah, I've heard that too,
So what are what are the facts about this thing?
This probably popped up in most people's news feeds. But
what actually happened. Well, it's part of something called the
(04:28):
Change program and it's been going on for quite a
while now. But the the chang e four, the fourth
I guess uh phase of this program. It it achieved
the first soft landing on the dark side of the
moon on January three, twenty nineteen. That's this year, not
that long ago actually, And um, what was this thing?
(04:50):
Is that what you're asking? What was this? Well, it
was a relay satellite, a lunar lander, and a rover
named you Too Too. You t exactly has the amazing
translation of jade rabbit second Jade rabbit. Yeah, well, and
and YouTube this jade rabbit is actually a pet to change,
(05:12):
which was a goddess and moon goddess or is the
moon goddess? Yeah, and Chinese mythology, so we see it's
three different components. Right. First, they have to get the
relay satellite up there that is step one because direct
communication with Earth is impossible on the far side of
the Moon because there's an entire moon in the way,
(05:33):
you know what I mean. So communications have to hit
this relay satellite and it's placed in a location that
has a clear view of the landing area and planet Earth.
Nice good planning, so you know, we're we're not joking
at all about it. But it just we forget maybe
sometimes how much planning and ridiculous math that it takes
(05:57):
to do any one of these things, and then to
have all of them work in concert like this, It's
an incredible feat. Boggles the mind. It is not an
improv exercise for sure. On mayen, the China National Space
Administration or SINSA, launched the Magpie Bridge relay satellite to
(06:18):
Halo orbit around the Earth Moon L two point. This
was the first step, and the relay satellite was based
on a another earlier satellites design. We can tell you
some of the stats about it if you would like
to hear them. First off, it's incredibly heavy. It's nine
thirty seven pounds or for the rest of the world
(06:39):
four It's heavy, man, it is heavy. I mean, I
guess it's not heavy in space, but it seems like
a lot to get up there, you know, And it's
not that large, right, yeah, But it does have a
nice big old antenna. It's that's four point two meters
or fourteen feet for us UM and it receives the
(07:01):
it receives X band signals from the lander again, and
then it sends them down to Earth. Pretty cool stuff
and and I guess it can also send information the
other way if need be. And the relay satellite has
some help up there with a form of two micro satellites,
which is super cool in my opinion. It's I don't
know how any bitty they are, but it's just a
(07:22):
cool idea of a micro satellite working in conjunction with these.
It's called the Dragon River one, Dragon River two, or
long Jang and the first one that they sent up there,
lung Jang one, was unsuccessful, but the second iteration made it.
It is still going strong. Nice cute is a button.
Can you imagine the Pixar stories that will spring from this?
(07:42):
Oh Man, an anthropomorphized micro satellite sounds like oh in
the it's like a brother and sister can hang out
with Wally and that whole universe oh my gosh, and
they just want to help out the rover. We have
a little bit of information about the land ander and
the rover, but it's it's somewhat limited. As you can understand,
(08:04):
the government wouldn't want to advertise any of the really
cool spooky stuff, right. So the lander has two cameras,
one for just landing and one for terrain as a spectrometer,
has something I had not heard of, a neutron dosameter,
and perhaps most interestingly, it has something called the lunar
(08:25):
micro ecosystem. This is so, this is mind blowing to me.
We've done experiments like this before our species, I mean,
but this is a little bit different. It's a sealed
biosphere that has seeds and insect eggs, and it's been
to measure their growth and development in space space space, space,
(08:47):
and specifically on the Moon and specifically on the moon.
Can we grow things on the moon? Huge question. They
have seeds of potatoes and a small flowering plant called ebidopsis. Yep,
you got this, ben that's actually is that's it? I
don't know you had a pregnant pause. It was the
(09:09):
second part of the of the of the of the name.
I figured it was apidosis specular. Um, yeah, right now,
I think it's just a pidopsis, and I'm probably mispronouncing.
It was that upward inflection that like had me on
the edge of my seat. It was that word was
like an obstacle course that I accidentally and blindly ran through.
(09:30):
You know, you got it right, do you think? So
we'll see a rebidopsis. Uh. Yeah, it's a small flowering plant.
It belongs to the mustard family. And the insect eggs
were actually silkworm cocoons. Very nice, and we mentioned those
two cameras. You can already see images. I guess it's
(09:50):
a video that is just an image sequence of the
lander actually landing, and it's always I mean, that's always
fun to watch and it will be scoured over by
the internet just for the for the rest what years,
see the pixels exactly exactly. Yeah, you're absolutely right. Uh.
This mission was originally scheduled for December. Uh. It is
(10:13):
meant to explore and assess this unexplored region of the Moon,
which South Pole, and the aim here is to learn
more about the age of the area and then to
facilitate the construction of technology needed to create a successful
lunar colony. Right, we've talked about it. We've talked about it.
(10:34):
I cannot wait to go. Oh my gosh, it's gonna
be dangerous. It's going to be not the most luxurious
place to live. But wouldn't you go? Would you go?
Would you go to a moon colony? No? Why not? Not? Unless?
I like not, unless stuff got so bad here that
it was like an absolute thing that was going to
save my and my family's life. I'm a big old whimp,
(10:55):
you guys. Not just to get in early, it's gonna say,
not just to visit? What am I like? Flying to
Los Angeles? It takes like five hours and then my
legs get really stiff. Going to the Moon. That just
sounds like a nightmare. How want would it take? Because
it do? We do? We know this. It takes about
three days for spacecraft to reach the Moon with current technology. Man,
I that noise, but are you serious? Sorry? It's just
(11:18):
spoil sports. It does sound amazing, And you know, maybe
if I had the opportunity, I might rethink it. Right now,
I'm just being a curmudgeon. I'm a space you know,
I would have you know that about me? What if
it was a huge spacecraft that's just ostensibly a conspiracy
cruise that you got to take. I don't know, man,
(11:39):
I would be paranoid that we would just someone would
of course correct us, and we end up going into
the sun. They still haven't figured out who drilled that
hole in the I s s oh, that's true. Well,
you know, I would have to just say and answer
to your question. I would do pretty much anything to
be able to follow in doc Rendezvous shoes. Yes. Oh,
(11:59):
we all of new T shirt out really cool. I
didn't even know what a pocket T was. It's apparently
a T where the design is like where the pocket
goes has advertised it's really cool. So I think our
our pals who work with us on the T shirt department,
I think they sensed our cartoonish excitement over the nickname
(12:21):
Dr buzz Rendezvous. So now we have shirt about it. Yeah,
and you can check out our public story at t
public dot com slash st d w y t K.
And there's an array of cool new design and that
I'm looking at that I haven't seen before, So check
it out. This is the new doc rendevotion. It's not
up yet, but be looking for it in the near future, Yes,
could save and in the near future, let's look at
(12:44):
what the Chonggi for expects to accomplish. Ultimately, they want
to do stuff that sets them up for success later
on in this mission, which is an ongoing Star Trek
esque thing. First, this rover will measure the chemical compositions
(13:05):
of lunar rocks and soils. It will measure lunar surface temperature.
While it's out in the field. It will carry out
low frequency radio astronomical observation and research using a radio telescope,
which right now is going to be the envy of
every astronomer on this planet because it is one of
the quietest places to use this sort of telescope. Yeah,
(13:27):
and what a cool idea, just to get as little
interference as necessary. The the next thing, the next two
things actually looking at cosmic rays. That's cool, some powerful
things cosmic rays. Uh. And then to study the solar
corona and investigate the radiation that's coming off of the
(13:48):
Sun and specifically to explore coronal mass ejections, which is
one of your favorite doomsday scenario. Yeah, exactly. So thank you,
Thank you everyone involved in the project for studying those
because I do feel like that's gonna be one thing
that causes a massive issue at some point on this
planet in the next hundred years. Now. We did a
(14:09):
video on this a while back, but could you remind
everybody what CME is or maybe just what it does. Oh? Sure.
It's a massive charged particles that get ejected from the
Sun and they just head outwards. And if they head
towards the Earth and they happen to run into Earth,
they can do a lot of things. The one of
(14:32):
the biggest things is that they affect. They have an
effect that's kind of like what you hear is in
what is it um E m P electromagnetic pulse kind
of thing where it will fry circuits essentially um and
just destroy anything that's electronic and a call back to
our pal Josh Clark's End of the World show. Isn't
that a potential existential risk? Yes? Yeah, yeah, And it's
(14:53):
out there looming. Whenever you see sun spots like that
are aimed at the Earth, I always think, like, see,
I don't even need to get shot into the Sun
with a spaceship to get fried by its mighty rays.
Here in the United States, the Sun shoots you exactly.
That's good. That was my Russian, uh, the United States
a little more Brooklyn than Russia. I don't know what
(15:13):
it was, Siberia, Brooklyn, Siberia by way of Brooklynlyn. So
this this is important stuff, right And I think did
we mention that simes have occurred like in Canada in
nineteen eighties, Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's there's have been some
recorded instances of a CME, and probably over the span
(15:36):
of humanity there have been CMEs that have occurred that
we just didn't understand what they were at the time,
and they had some weird effects. Didn't have so many
transistors and you know CPUs back in the day, that
would be affected fully. But elect but electrical systems like
long wires that carry electricity, they can be affected as well. Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
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The thing that makes the far side of the Moon
so attractive is the same thing that makes it so
difficult to UM to get to her to communicate with
It's tough you have to use that relay satellite, but
the scientific payoff is huge. According to Tong Jilieu, deputy
(16:20):
director of the Lunar Exploration Space Program Center for the
China National Space Administration against ISNA, UH, the far side
of the Moon is shielded from electromagnetic interference from Earth,
making it an ideal place to research the space environment
and solar bursts, and the probe can listen to the
deeper reaches of the cosmos. They're burying the lead a
(16:42):
little bit here because for any fans of extraterrestrials UFO
exploration in the audience, that is a clear indication that
they may may be capable of sensing some signal that
would not ordinarily, uh be within our means to differentiate
(17:05):
from the background noise. Yeah, dude, Oh that's really cool,
and it will be of course gray aliens from Andromeda
most likely, of course, of course um and or reptilians
from a different galaxies also Andromeda. Okay, okay, right, I seriously,
(17:26):
I really hope I feel like the reptilians from some
galaxy called like, you know, some weird name and then
a number, you know, like Corcus nine. Oh my gosh. Yeah,
but yes, they're from the Draco constellation, right, got it,
got it? Obviously right. So, as we could assume from
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the name, the chungy For represents one of several steps
in China's lunar exploration program, or clapp. It's a series
of robotic by which we mean manned missions to the
lunar surface. And the name, as we had mentioned before,
pays homage to a Chinese goddess of the moon. The
program spans multiple years. It's meant to be conducted in
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three phases of incremental technological advancement. You know. CHANGI four
is one in an iteration that doesn't end with four,
and it's kind of like uh hines fifty seven, except
there really are fifty six other varieties, right, And the
first thing they did was just to reach lunar orbit.
(18:36):
They said, let's just get something to orbit the Moon
without completely screwing it up. Yeah, And they did the
twelve years ago almost two seven mm hm with the
Change one, and its job was pretty simple. It was
a success. It was such a success that it overstayed
it's welcome. It's stayed in orbit until March of two
(18:59):
thousand nine. And then they launched the chong E two,
which is a pretty interesting, pretty interesting thing because it
didn't just do a typical lunar orbit, did it. Yeah.
So the chong E two was an updated version of
its predecessor with a lot of tech improvements things like
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better onboard cameras and UM. The satellite UH is currently
in deep space as we speak and expected to return
to Earth sometime in or around nine, which is a
very futuristic sounding date. When you say it out loud,
it is yeah, but used to own equally astonishing. Well,
you know, hindsight is there we go nine, So this
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is neat because it's traveling. The experiment here is to
send this thing on a very far orbit and then
have it return right and if we can, if our
species can establish this proof of concept, then we will
also be able to potentially in the future send people
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further out if that fat ever comes back in style.
The second phases to land and rove around on the Moon,
as Change three did in Changy four did in January
twenty nineteen. UH in the Change three became the first
object to land on the Moon since the Soviet Union's
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Lunar twenty four in nineteen seventy six. Officially, this UM
objective of this was to achieve China's first soft landing
and rover exploration on the Moon, as well as again
demonstrate developed technology for future missions. It did a lot
of lunar surveying. It measured the lunar crust to a
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depth of several hundred meters. It also discovered a new
type of rocks. So go you number three. That's sweet.
I have a quick question for you guys. Yeah, um,
you see talked about the idea of sending human Stauter
spaces being like a fat and I think that's funny
and also true because we think of that being the
only way to do space or exploration. But obviously the
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technology is such that we don't have to risk the
human lives to do the work and get the data.
Is can you think of a reason why it would
become back in style or you know, like important for
the mission to send humans rather than rovers and um,
you know, other remote controlled things to construct the lunar
colony and then eventually have all of the colonists there,
(21:29):
unless we were doing a full AI colony, which could
be interested, so it would be more like construction stuff.
I mean, like you, there's really no reason to have
humans out there digging for samples when you can have
like a robot do it just as effectively, if not
more so. Right right, One of the big pieces here
would also be having it would also be the advantage
of having a person on the ground to repair machinery,
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which machines can't quite do yet. But ultimately, the whole
goal with sending people up there and exploratory um occupations
is to build, as you said, Matt, a lasting non
earth presence for humanity to start to seed the Solar
System and then later maybe eventually the galaxy, unless that
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already happened before and we are an unknowing results or
consequence of that earlier action has been happening since nineteen
brother cool bro You ever tried d MT several times?
Big fans of the Joe Rogan Show. So so that
that leads us to the Changi four. That's where we're
at now. But where are we going? We'll tell you
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In the slant rhyme here speaking segue would be hot Takes,
Cool Vapes, rare Steaks Deep Space and the third step
in this plan is to collect lunar samples from the
(24:29):
near side of the Moon and send them back to
Earth in it just going in. Uh, this is a
task for chang E five and the Change six missions,
and they get more and more advanced eventually, so the
big game changers are going to be Chong E seven
(24:50):
and eight, because Chang E eight will hopefully include a
three D printing mechanism to begin fabricating structures. Uh. The
people eventually live in on the Moon, and it, like
its predecessor, will carry a small sealed ecosystem with it
to see how things grow over the long term. This
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is meant to bring people. Initially it will be scientists,
but eventually it will just be a breeding population to
bring human beings to the Moon and build a permanent
outpost somewhere near the lunar South Pole. Overall, this seems
to be a well planned out, ambitious yet reasoned push
to expand human knowledge. Chinese came very late to the
(25:33):
space race. Their first satellite was launched in nineteen seventy,
well after human beings officially landed on the Moon, but
China has invested billions of dollars in the space race
ever since. And it shows go humanity, right, Yeah, go humanity.
Let's all get to the moon first and build a
(25:54):
base first. Right. Some critics believe there's more to the story,
and here's where it gets easy. Yeah, the CLIP program
is raised alarms and other space programs NASA, Jackson so on,
as well as countries across the planet. And with good reason.
This isn't just paranoid Cold war thinking. It goes back
(26:15):
to what we would call the militarization of space, which
is against the closest thing we have to global law, right,
And the problem is that a lot of the things
you could develop for peaceful exploration are also things you
could use for non peaceful purposes. It's called dual use technology.
So when you guys remember back when, uh back when
(26:36):
there was that uh cover story about the existence of
weapons of mass destruction to justify adventurism in the Middle East,
what that happened, Well, one of the big concerns there
was the idea of dual use technology. The same enrichment
process you use to build um a relatively safe nuclear
(26:59):
power plant, is the same enrichment process you use to
build weapons. But the only thing that really changes is
the number of iterations, right that the number of times
you go through that process, And in a way, space
technology is similar. Although laws prevent the militarization of space,
these are pretty tough to enforce, right, I mean, what
(27:20):
are you gonna wait, what are you gonna You're gonna
send the cops, the Space Cops. We don't even have
Space Force yet, not yet. Did you hear about the
Steve Carrell show Space Force. It's gonna it can be
like The Office, but in space, I hear tell. And
I'm trying not to get too excited. Abot, Why isn't
that just The Orville? I think The Orville is much
more of a star. I've heard it, so I haven't
(27:42):
seen it. I've seen it's good, So let's just be
the Office in space. And that's what I thought. That
was the one line pitch. That's obviously the lowest hanging
fruit type show for Steve Carrell to do. But I
don't know. I'm em intrigued. I'll check it out. I'll
check it out. Let us know if you think it's
gonna be a bomb, or if you think it's it's
gonna be a new age in space based company. I
(28:04):
thinking of TV shows. Yes, True Detective season three, Oh yeah,
are you caught up? Dude? It's really good. It's really
really good. Because I did not like the second season.
It lost me and I wanted to like it. I
was really trepidacious about season three. But I think it's fantastic.
People would have liked the second season if it was
not build as true Detective season two, if it had
(28:25):
just been like, look at Vince Vaughan again, looking as
though he needs to sleep, which is how Vince Vaughan
often looks. He's a hard working guy. He's a hard
working dude. So one way nations have historically tried to
ease these tensions, you know, try to relax and chill
out a bit, is through scientific collaboration, international assistance with research,
(28:48):
funding and manufacturing. We see this happen in Antarctica in
the South Pole. Here researchers stay at the compounds of
other nations all the time, right, That's why we we
did that episode. Didn't know what happens if someone commits
a murder into Antarctica. Yeah, it gets complicated. We did that,
dulous history, We did that, Okay, so it is worth
(29:10):
checking out. The answer is not simple. The problem here
is that we can't have the scientific collaboration that eases
concerns about dual use technology because there's a U S
Law from Tleven that bans any official contact with Chinese
space officials. This exacerbates the already thick tensions and Yasma
(29:31):
of mistrust. Wow, and that is why in recent history,
UM Vice President Michael Pence he went to the Pentagon.
This was in January as well, and he accused China
and Russia of developing technologies and weapons to target U
S satellites and working to bring new weapons of war
(29:53):
into space itself. Yeah, because nobody acts aggressively on the
our own right, We're always acting in defense of something.
Why would you guys take weapons of mass destruction into
space while we're doing it too. I'm just kidding. We
have no proof that we're doing that, but it leads
to ulterior motives. Well, I mean, what is the X
(30:15):
thirty seven being doing up there? Right? That is the
unmanned spacecraft that has orbited for more than a hundred
and eighty days before. No one officially knows what it's doing.
So what if there are ulterior motives to the newest,
the newest fouries into space by China, what are they,
to quote Tom Waits building up there? This builds on
(30:37):
the concern about the militarization of space and the next
question becomes more specific, what what are they making? One
guess would be a potentially massive resource mining business. Because
China could potentially make an enormous windfall by transporting fusion
ready helium three. This is something that was new to me.
(30:58):
Were you guys aware of this? I believe we talked
about it on a Moon episode a while ago, or
with the Mars episode, maybe with Marshall Brain. I can't remember,
or maybe I've just learned about this. God, I don't know.
I thought I talked with you about this. Man um
Helium three a massive source for future fuel, like what
we're going to probably be using in the Moon, has
(31:20):
a whole heck of a lot of it. Yeah, Helium
three is a is a very um tasty nuclear fuel
because there are no neutrons generated as a product of
the reaction, and the protons that do get generated have charge,
and they can be safely contained using electromagnetic fields. So yeah,
I think you I think you are right. We did.
(31:40):
We did talk a little bit about this, maybe with
the good Mr. Brain people. Once imagine that Saturn or
Jupiter would be the right place to get your hands
on some on some helium three. But now it looks
like China has their site set on the Moon, and
we have a quote about how much stuff might be
(32:00):
up there. This comes from extreme tech, and it says
although the Sun dispenses ample amounts of helium three wherever
it blows, the Earth is largely shielded from this windfall
by its own magnetic field UM, and the little we
do have is mostly generated by various terrestrial processes like
cosmic ray bombardment and even relic sources from leftover nuclear
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warheads UM. The Moon, on the other hand, is a
far more concentrated depot, with up to five million tons
conveniently embedded in its top surface layer. So it's not
even that difficult to mind it. No, it's not. It's
not buried deep in the lunar surface. But guys are
changing the moon if you take that stuff off. You
(32:43):
know what I'm saying, escape, If you mind enough of
this helium three, what are you going to do to
the not only the composition of the Moon, but also, oh,
I don't know the mass of the moon. If we
mind it the way we you know, we take down
trees in the Amazon, like, good lord, we're gonna have
a hollow moon. You know, I get the feeling that
(33:07):
you're thirty joking, Yes, raising a legit concern, right, It's
true it's that that's one ulterior motive, and it's potentially,
uh potentially could be an ecological disaster or an astronomical disaster,
perhaps because you know, I wonder would they ever actually
(33:32):
mind so much of a resource off the moon? Would
humanity ever mind so much of a thing off the
Moon that it does affect its mass and its orbit.
I can't imagine that it would happen any time in
the near future, and by that I mean hundreds and
hundreds of years. But still we would be mining it
for a while. We why would we stop mining it
(33:53):
unless we could at least prove that, oh, it's gonna
crash into the Earth now, or you know, we're gonna
change the tide's X amount because of this. And I
can't even imagine helium having enough of an effect on
any of that stuff, just with the amount of massac
it has in volume on that But what if that's
a um what if that's a cover story as well?
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What if the mining is cover story? What if they're
looking for something else. According to one of the United
Kingdom's favorite UH tabloids, The Sun, last year, a guy
named Coral Wolf, the technician at the Air Force Tactical
Air Command Headquarters in Langley, Virginia claimed to have discovered
artificial structures on the far side of the Moon. Go
(34:37):
On and they found strange shapes and images taken by
the Lunar Reconnaissance Orbiter, a probe that circled the Moon
since back in oh nine, and according to Wolf, these
were structures that were definitely not created by natural means
such as meteors or ancient collisions with other heavenly bodies.
He believes that the structures were quote created by intelligent beings.
(34:59):
Most noticeable was what looked like radar antennas, very similar
to what you could see on Earth. Hold on, Yeah,
what is going on here? This is a gentleman that
appears to have some credentials from the Air Force Tactical
Air Command Headquarters that is saying these things. No, why, no?
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What does that mean? We've been here before, someone has
been here before and set up all of like maybe
a base is already there. What what is happening to
you guys? I you know what, I'm gonna let let
that summer because I have an update for that, but
I was I wanted to save it for the end
of the show. Is that, Okay, do be a weird
(35:44):
update when everybody need to know going in, it's going
to be a weird one. But for now, let's just
remember that Carl Wolf, technician Air Force Tactical Air Command
totally believe there are structures of some sort that did
not occur naturally that is on the far side of
the Moon, and they have evidence from pictures. Yes, and
has in his opinion, visual evidence. Oh guys, let's take
(36:08):
a quick pause and then have a word from our
sponsor and we're back with more for you about returning
to the Moon. There are other people who argue that, uh,
that maybe we're opening a door we shouldn't open. There
(36:28):
are some conspiracy theorists who say that the probe could
put us all immortal danger, arguing that alien races living
on the Moon, just to go with us here for
a second, could see the landing as an act of
war against their species, potentially with devastating consequences. Other people
believe that the dark side of the Moon is peppered
(36:49):
by creators left by secret NASA military bombings. Okay, bombing, Wait,
you mean like from when we tried to blow up
the moon or when we tried to blow up the
alien races. But there's that whole story where we were
trying to intimidate other countries by shooting missiles of the
Moon that would make a big cloud they could see
(37:10):
to demonstrate our superiority. Didn't Is this that I make
this up? This issue, that's the thing that really happened.
It never got past the planning stages. But that's what's
that's what Mr. Show is referencing. And they're famous blow
up the Moon sketch. So you're saying there are craters
that possibly were left by some version of what we're
talking about that did happen. People. There are people who
(37:32):
believe it interesting. I I myself, it's I I am
of the opinion that it seems like a lot of
trouble to go to, right, especially given the propaganda value.
You would want to detonate something like that on the
Earth facing side. Yeah, but if you were an alien
community or in an extraterrestrial community living, existing on that
(37:55):
dark side of the moon would be pretty advantageous. Oh yeah,
it'd be dope. You're not going to be found, you're
not getting you know, you can actually make your own
radio programs and not get interrupted by all the noise.
This this theory first arose in two thousand nine after
NASA deliberately fired a rocket and satellite into the lunar surface.
(38:18):
They said it was an attempt to kick up moon
dust so they could analyze this debris from Earth and
determine if the Moon held any water. So that's that's there,
that's their story, all right, Matt, Matt, are you over
the lies of Big NASA? No, it's just not as
much fun, that's all it is. We're gonna look at
(38:40):
a cloud studio's content. But it's important if you want
to build a colony on the Moon. This is the
more long term question. And it reminds reminds me at
least of that Marshall Brain episode where he walked us
through his thought experiment on how to set up a
Martian society. He um, he had some He has pretty
articulated social theories, right, And one thing that's almost inescapable,
(39:07):
whether you're talking the Moon or Mars, is that after
some amount of time, any actual self sustaining non Earth
colony will eventually inevitably become an independent entity, kind of
like the colonies in North and South America when it
used to be called the New World. The cost of
transportation and governance eventually became too high for the European powers,
(39:31):
and the terrestrial overlords of the future will also have
a tough time maintaining control. And unless they bake in
some specific, unchangeable dependencies, they probably won't rule the Moon
for long. Maybe they would have to do something like
be the gatekeepers of food supply, right, or be able
to turn off the air or something. Yeah, but then
(39:53):
that all changes as soon as the colony of self
sustaining and you're growing plants and some kind of biosphere thing,
you know, I mean, quickly the colony becomes in control
of itself. Yeah, if the colony doesn't collapse under its
own um, the weight of its own social functioning, right,
I mean, look, we've all seen Biodome. It is a
(40:17):
harrowing exploration of the human psyche. Almost the documentary. Almost
the documentary. I believe the future will prove it to
be so, right, I squeeze the juice, squeeze the juice,
dogs or whatever. He's still out there. He's weezing the
juice to this day. So there's just from Encino man too.
(40:37):
But I know I don't both of those, didn't he
just have the set catchphrases that he said in every film.
No that, I don't think so. I think we's in
the juice was pretty specifically an Encino man. They they
go to the convenience store and they terrorized that poor
clerk by wheezing the jewice, which basically theft because they're
just stealing slurpy juice and it's very unsand it he's
(41:00):
just putting his mouth right on the slurpe apple. But
they probably faked a lot of that right that Hashier
was a paid actor. They didn't actually break into a thing.
What you're saying, a man wasn't a documentary, and it's not.
It's a it's speculative nonfiction, if that feels better. This
leads us to one of the last questions about the
(41:22):
Lunar Landing, the Chinese Lunar Landing project, which is, of
course we all saw this coming. Did they fake it?
The rumors about a hoax were started by a guy
named Scott C. Waring of UFO Sightings Daily, and he said,
I guess China may have decided. Since NASA fake the
first Apollo Moon landing and got away with it, then
China want it in on it too, and he supports
(41:43):
his evidence by doing the same thing that Carl Wolf did,
which is say, look at the original photo. You'll see
there are no other lines in the entire giant panoramic photo. OMG,
this is so very disappointing. Note the lack of moon
rocks on the entire surface of the Moon, which is
exactly what the first Apollo moon landing also showed a
(42:04):
sign of being faked on a stage. What I know
for him this is like a smoking smoking gun. And
as we mentioned before, a lot of people, a surprising
amount of people got behind this because you know, twenty
one million people in the US alone still believe the
moon landings were faked for one reason or another. And
(42:27):
if you were one of those twenty one million people,
we'd love to hear your story. You can write to
us directly. You can find us on the Instagram's, the
twitters and the facebooks. But where does this leave us? All?
Now here we are now it's the beginning twenty nineteen.
Is we record this, Things are about to go. Nuts
and bananas on our nearest rocky relative out there in orbit,
(42:53):
Nuts and bananas on the moon. Nuts and bananas on
the Moon. Yeah, we've never thought about pairing those with
the chief unless it was like a fine bree maybe
moon cheese. Yeah, isn't the moon made out of cheese? Well,
moon cheese is a very specific snack available at your
local Starbucks and health food stores. I think yeah, and
the moon is probably made out of cheese with very
(43:15):
high helium three content. So I don't know, I don't
know what what what side of the argument that puts
you on map that I just want you to be
aware of that. Okay, thank you, absolutely no, but you're right. Yes,
it's going it's gonna get very busy up on the moon.
And it's cool to think that in the next twenty years,
(43:35):
like the timelines that UM are mapped out for the
Changy I guess the program and then as well as
the United States trying to get up there. It's around
twenty thirty something, I think when all this stuff will
be completed. If you look at the US and China,
that's not that far away and we could possibly see
lunar colonies. That is still mind blowing to me. But
(43:59):
all kidding is side UM. Beijing is careful distress that
everything it's doing on the Moon at this point, and
everything that's planning, it's all peaceful motives. They're doing with
peaceful motives. Um in exploring space, however, I mean, we
we have to just we have to remember that the
United States use China and Russia as a potential threat
(44:22):
to national security. And that's why our current president, Donald Trump,
he called for the establishment of a space force, by
a space force. No, that sounds familiar. I'm excited about it,
all right. Yeah. The problem is that most of this stuff, again,
(44:45):
you can say that you're developing it for peaceful means
all the livelong day. It doesn't it doesn't take away
the fact that one really could turn it into turn
some of these technologies into weapons of war. The U
S and other would be space very nations obviously don't
want to be left out or caught defenseless. That is
why on December eleven, anniversary of the Apollo seventeth lunar
(45:09):
landing ak the last time people walked on the Moon,
President Trump signed the Space Policy Directive One. It directs
NASA to take astronauts to the Moon with the help
of the US commercial space industry. So SpaceX lan Musk
I'm sure is up in there, yet there is very
little detail on exactly how and when this might happen
(45:31):
and how much the White House will spend, and in
the meantime, the clock is ticking. Would you like to
hear that last somewhat unpleasant update, Yes, I do, But
I do want to add this one information that I
got from NASA DOKV. They've got a graphic that has
the exploration campaign written out up until and it kind
(45:56):
of gives you a timeline. But none of this stuff
is solid, and it's all basically what we hope to achieve,
and you can find it on there when you have
to aim for the stars quite literally in this in
this instance, here is the here's the weird update. That
guy Carl Wolfe who said that he had seen pictures
(46:17):
of a secret alien based on the Dark Side of
the Moon during his time as a sergeant at Langley
okay uh in, I want to say October of eighteen
or somewhere thereabouts. He was killed, you struck by a
tractor trailer riding his bicycle on October t actually, and
(46:43):
police were investigating the incident, but there were no charges filed.
The sheriff refrain from releasing the driver's name. This This
is someone who had contacted Dr Stephen Greer as well
Buddy Steve Graher. He was Carl Woolf was in and
of this world. But at this time authorities do not
(47:04):
suspect foul play. But he he did unfortunately pass away.
So for some people, that's going to indicate that he
was a whistle blower. From other people is just going
to indicate how dangerous traffic is. The choices up to you. Wow, well,
now I'm going to go and find myself researching that
for the next at least nine hours. Yes, sorry, Matty,
(47:29):
I should have opened with that. But we want to
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at Ben Bowling on Instagram in a burst of creativity.
And you will never find me on Instagram. I can't
(48:13):
even find you. I have an account, but you'll never
find it. That's very on brand for Matt Frederick, though
I appreciate that about you. I'm only kidding. It's like
my name hs W or something. You can find it,
but you know, don't follow me or whatever you do
on Instagram. Follow yourself, okay, follow your arts and your
nose to the delicious taste of fruit loops. You can
also call us if you want to leave us a message.
(48:37):
It might just make it on the air. We are
one eight three three s C D W y t K. Yeah.
How can we start doing this unison thing? I kind
of missed the boat early on and I should Is
that a thing now? Is all? It's a good thing.
I'm on board, guys. Somebody is listening, and they're they're
saying that a long way, you know what I mean. Oh,
(48:59):
if thank you, Carl. If none of that quite launches
your rocket or finds your extra terrestrials or builds your
moon colony, and guess where I'm going with us, have
no worries, friends and neighbors. You can email us your
stories and feedback directly. We are conspiracy at how stuff
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