December 17, 2025 • 63 mins
Remember when chatting about the weather used to be nothing more than small talk? Those days are long gone. As the climate becomes increasingly chaotic, powerful interests have returned to the controversial -- at times, conspiratorial -- concept of weather modification. In tonight's episode, Ben, Matt and Noel dive deep into the bizarre, outlandish and occasionally dangerous plans to leverage science in a last-ditch Hail Mary to save civilization. Problem is, these same solutions may also end up destroying the planet. So... should humanity hold its breath and roll the dice?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
They call me Ben. We're joy das always with our
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you to know. And folks, friends and neighbors. Before we
begin tonight's episode, as we record on Monday, December fifteenth,
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we want to take a moment that we don't always do,
to remember the tragic events of this past weekend, to
hold space for the victims of the Brown shooting and
for the profound losses of the Reiner family. We have
received a lot of correspondents about this. We were in
(01:14):
contact loosely with each other, and while we respect the
privacy of the family at this time, it's a great
loss for the world. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I mean, as the one person I think we've ever
spoken to that I genuinely got starstruck and fan boyd about.
And they also just did not disappoint just as genuine
and kind and generous a person as anyone might think
he was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Absolutely and in his honor, we've decided we're going to
republish our interview with him for the podcast Who Killed
JFK that he worked really hard on with a big
old team there with solidad O'Brien and folks that we
know here at iHeart, and we just think it's worth
our time to go back and listen. We've already listened
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to it here, you know, on the home front, We've
already gone back through and just to remember him, and
just to remember I don't know how good of a
guy he seemed, just in that brief hour that we
got to spend with.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Him, and we more importantly think it's worth your time, folks.
As Matt is alluding to, we interviewed Rob back in
twenty twenty three. Beyond his many accolades as a writer, director, actor, producer,
he was, as you said, no, genuinely kind and brilliant man,
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cared deeply about the world his craft, cared deeply about others.
So our hearts go out to everyone who has lost
a loved one in his processing tragedy. Please be safe, folks,
This is not a hallmark statement, remember that you are
not alone now.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And then also just a quick mention and thought going
out to our Australian listeners dealing with the horrific tragedy
attack on the Jewish community near in Bondi Beach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And with this we are going to continue the show.
We are always here for anybody who wants to reach
out conspiracydiheartradio dot com. We're recording again on Monday, December fifteenth,
and we're returning to one of our long standing fascinations.
So way back in earlier evenings when we first started
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this show, and we're convinced we would get in big trouble, right.
Our very first video was, by the way, about the
JFK assassination, But we were also interested in something that
everyone has in common, the weather. Right look up there
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in the sky. What's that weird thing? Could you change
the weather? Could you in engineering? Could you see the cloud?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
How do we make small talk if there wasn't the
weather to talk about? You know? But if you want
to take that a little further with people on the
leve they're ask them what they think about weather modification.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
One of our first seven videos I think was on chemtrails, right,
So that was along with water fluoridation Edward Burnet's Tesla.
They're like some of the earliest things that, yeah, some
of the earliest topics that we were ever fascinated by
because there have been actual there when we ask about
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is there sand to something? Right, there is sand to
weather modification and to giant plans to do some pretty
crazy stuff in the geoengineering field here on planet Earth.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Well, even if you just look at the parlor trick
aspect of it that we've seen countries do for kind
of displays of national prowess or whatever. Was it China
Ben that did a cloud seating demonstration as part of
the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yes, during the two thousand and eight Olympics, he in China.
You know, when we first began investigating these ideas of
cloud seeding, weather modification, solar geoengineering another term, I think
it's fair to say that we came into that with
open minds and more than a wheelbarrow of skepticism. However,
(05:20):
as we discovered there's more than a grain of truth
to some of this stuff. There's so much in fact
that we could not let twenty five pass us by
without returning to the wide world of cloud seeding, geoengineering,
the human civilizations that said, hey, if we did wreck
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the planet, maybe we're the ones who can fix it,
And this becomes I love the point you may know
about how it used to be small talk to mention
the weather, but now that weather may indeed be weaponized,
the global ecosystem, the sphere has coming chaotic, and more
and more folks are not asking about the weather as
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small talk. They're asking about the weather because they're worried.
And as we are going to see in tonight's episode,
more and more powerful forces are trying, for better or
for worse, to influence.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It because it would cost way too much money to
stop putting all the crap into the atmosphere that's causing
the whole global warming climate change thing. Instead, let's, uh,
why don't we try the matrix that worked out well?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right? Yeah, Like, as we said, we're going to see
a lot of harm. Harump, harumph, something must be done
and a lot of what if? What if? What if?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh, Matt, are you suggesting we do the matrix?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm suggesting there are people suggesting we do the matrix.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Okay, we can put a pin in that for now.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And they've seen the matrix, and that's our gold open
or a warm open. I'm doing climate change jokes. Here
are some goods, products and services. As our friend Robert
Evans likes to say, here are the facts. All right. Look,
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we got a Bob Dylan quote that I think stays
with a lot of us. You don't need a weatherman
to know which way the wind blows. Shout out to
subterranean homesick blues. If you are human, you gotta admit
we still don't really understand the weather. And I don't
want us to irritate any of our fellow conspiracy realists
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in the crowd who might happen to be meteorologist, because
that that can be really annoying to them. I think
we should explain what we mean by quote not understanding
the weather?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Well, sure, I mean science has definitely made some advances
in our lifetimes, even in terms of the ability to
pull out patterns and use veryarious pieces of equipment to
measure the weather, to look at various movements of the weather,
and hopefully to do some reasonably well informed predicting of
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the weather, making humanity at least a little bit more
prepared than in times past to deal with natural disasters,
you know, things like absolutely catastrophic weather events.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, to deal with them if they existed at their baseline, right,
which is changing. We still don't as a civilization understand
the entirety of how this global interconnected system functions internally.
And cloud seating is a great example of this. How
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would we explain cloud seating to anyone who has never
heard of this?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You spray some aerosolized silver iodide and or other stuff
into where clouds are forming as a way to either
get those clouds to drop their precipitation early, or to
drop their precipitation in a different spot than where they
would naturally right. So that's why it's more of a
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modification than a control, which is interesting because you're not
fully controlling what clouds are doing when you see them,
You're just modifying them.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Is scientists theorized about the ability to modify weather patterns
in local and then regional levels, and their whole goal
was to increase precipitation. It goes this pursuit goes all
the way back to the late eighteen hundreds. Also, by
the way, Dylan, I don't know if we have a
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sound queue for this. But word of the day nephology,
not nephrology, which is the study of kidneys, But nephology
is the study of clouds.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
That's so poetic, and not phrenology, which also kind of
your brain tends to jump to, which is what the outdated,
antiquated and inherently racist study of the bumps on people's heads.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And there's nothing wrong with studying bumps on a skull,
there's nothing wrong with looking at clouds on the sky.
The questions become complicated when you start to draw unfounded
conclusions or confirmation biased from those right. Ah, thanks man.
So in the nineteen forties we got these two scientists
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from General Electric who proved the concept of cloud seeding conclusively,
and like Matt was saying, they increase the amount of
particles in certain areas of the atmosphere. And when they
put you know, dry ice or what we say earlier
silver iod diet, that's a popular one. They put it
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out in the sky and this allowed water vapor in
a cloud to condense and then form a greater concentration
of ice crystals or rain drops. Essentially, because I know
we're all in love with this word, they were goosing
the clouds. They were juicing the clouds.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, in the example you gave earlier nol in China
when the Olympics were there time ago, the attempt there
was to make it rain before that rain got to Beijing,
which was like the whole point, or to make the
snow and everything else fall in places where it wouldn't
affect the city. So they're goosing them the clouds and
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formations before they get to a target.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And again that's an advance of the two thousand and
eight Olympics. But in the decades since, right the twenties
and the forties, countries across the planet have been not
only experimenting with, but actively implementing cloud seeding programs, and
they're doing it generally in a defensive way, to combat drought,
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get rid of fog around airports, to try to stop
hailstones from breaking people's car shields, to weaken hurricanes, which
is amazing, and of course to increase snowfall.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That talk of weakening hurricanes piques my interest because it
always seems to it seems to be something some kind
of a high in the sky suggestion that we could
potentially break up hurricanes before they get bad. But doesn't
seem like that's really on the table exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Not yet, because it's very much an imperfect science. Imagine
imagine that you had a piece of wood about the
size of an iPhone, and then you invented a chainsaw,
and you said, I'm gonna learn how to whittle. People
don't understand what's happening. Also, the neat thing about that
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analogy is the reverse works as well. As Imagine you
had a piece of wood the size of the planet,
and then you invented a tidy little chainsaw, but you
didn't know what it was cutting. That's unfortunately accurate. The
issue is, of course, going back to our old analogy,
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the Sorcerer's Apprentice Fantasia. The issue with cloud seating is
that the moisture comes from somewhere else, it's not created
out of whole cloth. This means that cloud seating past
a certain threshold can have serious adverse effects on other areas.
We cannot current civilization can not fully predict those effects,
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and current civilization does not know whether those knock on
effects will have a snowball result or create a feedback
loop of very nasty, non ideal stuff. Well, it is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
They're very complex systems with a lot of variables and
a lot of moving parts far flung from one another.
That can you know, change in the system over here
can impact changing the system way, you know, on the
other side of the country. Even so, it's really hard
to predict exactly where all those pieces are gonna fall
at any given time.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Again, we can't predict, right. We're the kids who said, oh,
here's a way to automate the cleaning, right, here's a
way to automate the mitigation of the consequences of previous actions,
And now all of a sudden, we're in a fantasia situation.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Never want to be in one of those.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I like the what's that guy's name? Not Borlog, you know,
the the right the Halloween night mountain thing that seemed cool,
But yeah, no one really wants to be in that situation.
And that's why there are so many technologies proliferating under
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this umbrella of what we would call geoengineering or particularly
solar engineering. And we'll get to some more of those
later in tonight's episode, But you got I think one
of the things we have to note is that there
is a gap between public understanding of the weather and
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scientific understanding of the same phenomena, Like, have you ever
watched the news or pulled up a report where you
see a very confident meteorologist say, oh, there's only a
fifteen percent chance of raining in your zip code, and
you look outside and it's absolutely buckets, it's a deluge.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
She makes me think back to the plot of Curb
Your Enthusiasm episode where they accuse the weather man of
falsely predicting the rain so that he can have the
golf course to himself. No meteorologists worth there, I had
died salt would do anything of the sort that is
absolutely reprehensible behavior.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, well, yeah, let's speak on this back to basics
and the understanding of weather patterns and stuff. I happen
to have a couple ten year olds in my house
who have been learned about the weather in school, right,
And that goes back to the different types of clouds,
how what altitude certain types of clouds form at, and
(16:09):
that is it actually has a lot to do with
today's episode because this concept of cloud scening that we
just talked about in the next one, that we're going
to talk about the difference between contrails and chemtrails, which
are both real things. It's just you know, the chemtrails
thing has gotten a little out of hand, but they
all occur. These things occur theoretically at the altitudes where
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clouds are going to form, right, And as we talked
about before on our gosh, I can't remember the name
of the episode, but the one about the nuclear apocalypse
and what would happen if we ever did get into
some kind of global scale nuclear warfare.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Check it out.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I want to brighten up your day.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, but we talked about how the clouds formed by
nuclear explosions travels so much higher in altitude than regular
clouds that that's why they're a problem, right, And we
just saw on the news of volcanic eruption that shot
stuff you know, matter ash and all that stuff well
above the levels of cloud formation. So like, this is
(17:13):
the stuff that's super dangerous. But that doesn't mean you
can't still do things like keem trails to the clouds themselves,
or even to cover within the clouds.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah. Yeah, this idea again going back to the gap
between public understanding and the weather and a scientific understanding
of the same phenomena. It shows us why it's such
a trope for people to doubt their local weather reporter,
and I love that shout out to curb your enthusiasm.
And there is no better example of this, as we're saying,
(17:47):
than the argument around contrails versus chem trails. We've explored
this in the past and at length in our books,
So quick recap. Con Trails normal clouds of ice crystals
formed because hot gas comes from the exhaust of a
plane's engines. It meets water vapor that is present in
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the super dups cold air of the upper atmosphere. Contrails
dissipate within moments or stay around for hours, and it
all depends on the temperature and humidity of the plane's altitude. Now,
human civilization knew about this since the nineteen twenties. Right,
M trails ch M trails are a conspiracy theory according
(18:32):
to the lore, not garden variety ice crystals. Instead, they're
full of chemicals that the insert government here is dispersing
for any nefarious purpose, sometimes to alter the weather, sometimes
to affect human bodies and minds.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And this isn't to be confused with like chemicals that
maybe you know, crop dusters, or like lower flying airplanes
might disperse you know, for pest control purposes, sure, fertilizer
what have you, which also have their own of badgeres
wrapped up in them. But these are, to Matt's point,
trails that would be dispersed theoretically at the same altitude
as clouds are forming.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yes, theoretically that that is the concept. And it's a
really good example there knowll of you know thinking about
this as crop dusting, but just happening way way, way
way up in the atmosphere and the crops in this case,
in the theory are you.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'd like everybody to check out our serious, provable research
into things like operation large area coverage, which inspires a
lot of the ideas. And I agree with you though
that that crop dusty analogy is perfect, and Matt, I
like the way you spun that as well. The issue
with these the kim trail contral thing. The reason we're
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bringing this up is that just like the moisture and
cloud seeding, these conspiratorial ideas about people futzing with the weather,
they don't come from nowhere, because weather is you reversal.
Humans can all witness the weather. It affects everyone. It
is of continual concern and if we add to that
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later declassified evidence shows that world governments have in fact
conspired to influence the weather multiple times throughout history, and
get those folks. They continue to do so today. Whether
modification is real, Jewish space lasers are not. And I
feel like us, being located in our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,
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I feel like we have to say we do not
officially co sign the statements of politician Marjorie Taylor Green right.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, but space lasers are real.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yes, space are real from Elmus from earlier and a
lot of other research.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I have a bunch of private companies that are
attempting to put that stuff up there and targeted energy
weapons and adding defensive measures to us stuff that's float
around in space. It's getting real warry up there, guys.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And here's hoping the Space Treaty holds. The thing about
weather modification is yeah, it is true. But the capabilities
of these technologies, I think we can agree. For a
long time they were overstated. There were these fears of
big government, illuminati, end of the world, doomsday weather scenarios
that often turned out to be fanciful tall tales. You know,
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there was flimsy if any evidence. But that's the case
so far. I mean, we do have these two proven axioms.
Weather systems are changing, science and technology are evolving at
a breakneck bace, Like, can we all agree that those
two things are true?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I think so we can also maybe agree on being
true is the fact that along with those things changing,
other's changing too, Like certain patterns that were once maybe
more predictable are becoming a bit less predictable. I don't
think that's controversial to say, what do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. And there's a real fear about
the changing climate and what it's going to do to
all of humanity. And there are people with lots of
money who are in charge of huge corporations, mostly in
the energy sector, that are getting into some pretty weird
concepts about what we might be able to do with
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this whole weather modification slash geoengineering thing.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, experts around the world largely agree the clock is ticking.
Humanities driving the car like mad right over a cliff
disaster is no longer a question of if, but when.
The cool axiom, the second axiom that may potentially save
this endeavor is science and technology evolving at a breakneck pace.
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Humanity is throwing so much brain power and funding into
at times unorthodox methods of corrallying ecosystemic chaos out of
these off kilter weather patterns, trying to save it. So
the question becomes, if civilization caused the issue in the
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first place, shouldn't civilization also be hopefully able to provide
some solutions. It's therefore logical for us all to assume
together that there has been a ton of strange work
going into this, and folks, to be honest with you,
that assumption is correct.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
And we will jump right into that after a quick
word from our sponsor.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Here's where it gets crazy, all right, Modern humanity futs
in with the weather for a long time. It's an
old obsession. You remember, back when there would be south
Sayers and Shamans and dowsers and what is it? The
cloudbuster guy, Oregone Guy, the.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Right cloudbusting daddy, Hey Bush. We did an episode about
a dude that did like a hoax or he was
sort of like a fly by night guy that came
to town somewhere in the Midwest when it was enduring,
I believe, the dust bowl and then claimed that he
could make it rain and there was a tie in
with Oregon Energy and all of that stuff. I just
remember discussing that. I couldn't quite google it up, though,
(24:33):
but I'm gonna I'm gonna look into it because I
know we definitely did an episode a ridiculous history about
this sort of like weird dude that came to town,
kind of like the monorail guy and the Simpsons, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that one. We know
that a lot of these folks were no, we don't
want to disparage them. A lot of them were rifters,
but a lot of them also were very connected to
the land. They could predict in a way weathered right, ORMs, famine,
flood things of that nature. But we know the first
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scientifically recognized weather modification experiment dates back to nineteen forty six.
It's November thirteen. There's a guy named Vincent Schaeffer, and
he's a dry ice boy. He puts a bunch of
dry ice out into the atmosphere. It hits these super
cooled clouds near Schenectady and Schenectady is is such a
(25:29):
fun word to say that I barely use it outside
stand up, But guys, when he did this he created snow.
He was not a rain maker, but he was a
snow bringer. People were astounded, and Uncle Sam paid attention
because remember this is forty six, right, so it's right
after World War Two. Oh really quickly.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
The episode I was talking about was called did a
Real Life rain Maker Almost dround San Diego? And it
was about a dude coming through San Diego during a
serious around that same time, man named Charles Mallory Hatfield.
So do check out one out if you want a
little bit of a light take on some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Perfect, perfect, that's awesome. Uh and yeah, thank you for
checking out. When out folks. If we fast forward a
few decades, we see there are multiple classified government projects
pursuing similar technologies of particular note I thing we've discussed
in the past Operation Popeye. You guys remember Operation Popeye.
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The name is way more fun than what they actually
tried to do usually is.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Or actually that's not true. A lot of times the
name has really been all and the stuff they tried
to do is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Is this the one where they dropped a bunch of
stuff to kill the the the flora? To where is
that a different one?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Orange?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Crap?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
This is different.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They wanted to extend monsoon season.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I believe this is weaponized weather modification, of weaponizing the
weather to Asdall said, attempt to extend monsoon season during
the Vietnam War, right, Yeah, through Laus, you know, to
make roots of transit impassable. Pretty pretty nasty stuff, especially
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because again they're trying to whittle with a chainsaw. They're
painting with a broad brush. And this is true, this
is Operation pop By there. They're also in that process. Uh,
they brought misery to tons of innocent civilians. So public
attention to these endeavors and waxes WANs, but government and
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scientific interest do not. And as the weather worsens, the boffins,
the eggheads, your favorite academics, they've moved past just making moisture.
Rain makers have graduated to a kind of shark take thing,
pitching ideas to save the world. We've talked about a
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few their potential weather modification basically, and most of it's
going to fall under a loose category that we call
solar radiation modification or solar geoengineering.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah. The basic concept is everybody knows that the climate
is changing the Earth is heating up little by little, right,
and we've already hit one of the benchmarks that scientists said, Hey,
if we hit this benchmark, it's not good and it's
gonna be really hard to go back. And a lot
of that has to do with emissions. Right, All the
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things that we're aware of that humanity does to warm
up the earth, stuff that's provable. None of that is
fake news. None of that is stuff that you can't
look up the science behind it. The problem is what
do you do about it?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Right? And this is something just addressed in strange news,
But did you also to have a little bit of
good news to go along with that moment? Apparently the
hole in the ozone layer is doing pretty well. It's
on track to closing up.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, it's been doing well. The collective action matters, and
I think we talked about that a little bit in
the past. Whenever we need a sprinkle of good news,
you know, so go team Solar Radiation Modification for our
purpose is tonight. We might call it SRM. It's an umbrella.
(29:27):
We'll keep it at umbrella, get it whatever, thank you,
thank you know. It's it's this toolkit of large scale
proposed approaches to reducing global warming by attempting to somehow
block an amount of sunlight hitting Earth. It is very
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matrix level stuff in principle, and the concept is again,
if we can increase the amount of sunlight bounced back
away from Earth and out into space, then we as
a civilization may be able to mitigate some of those
alarming climate trends we discussed previously.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yes, but the most important thing here is this is
treating a symptom, right like the constant. This whole concept
that maybe we can bounce back some of the solar
radiation and cool the earth down is treating the heating part, right.
It's not treating the stuff that is causing the heating here,
like the stuff that the solar radiation interacts with in
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order to trap heat and continually warm the planet. We're
just trying to block some of the solar radiation like
as a it's a band aid right on something that
needs some serious surgery.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, you could say. You could say, for another example, hey,
I make a lot of trash, and I keep making
more trash. My house is becoming a trash place. Instead
of clean up the trash, why don't I just find
another place to put trash but never actually clean my house.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, yeah, let's just get some air fresheners. Smells like
trash in here.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
So this is not meant to be a silver bullet
by any means we got. We have to be clear
about this with you, folks. The concepts all of that,
all the ones we're going to explore, they are not
meant to replace ongoing to Nole's point, successful initiatives to
reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They're meant to compliment that. So
(31:37):
to that earlier argument you just heard, folks, the idea
could be that if these are band aid solutions, it's
not just one band aid, it's a stream of band aids. Right,
It's a bandolier, a bandid do leer.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, it's a band aid to cover the entire earth.
Love it, and then you got to keep that band
aid on or it gets really bad or really fast.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Wasn't that a conservation initiative like band aid the Earth
or like give the Earth a hug or something along
the world.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
There was definitely there was definitely that tour franchise band aid, right,
remember that one? Yeah? Wait, that was ban that was
doing aid.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It was like anyway, but I'm in my mind, I'm
thinking like some sort of recycling initiative where it was
like an image with a globe. But maybe I'm also
thinking of cover the earth the du loo.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Williams. That's what which still is my favorite sinister logo
for a paint company just looks like blood. Think about it, folks,
try to get that back room for that paint company.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
They won't have you.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Let's get back blood too, Just to get back to
solar radiation modification. Earlier in July of this year, Politico
put out an article titled Researchers quietly planned a test
to dim sunlight. They wanted to avoid scaring the public.
We've talked about this before. This is one of these
SRM tests that was going to happen, and it was
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backed by a bunch of private money and institutions, universities
and billionaires, and it is. It is a really weird
tale of people truly attempting to do the blot out
the sun thing by creating clouds high above the regular
cloud formation levels so that it would they would just
(33:22):
sit up there and block the sunlight, literally blotting out
the sun. But it got shut down when when local
officials found out that it was happening in the San
Francisco Bay because they didn't even tell anybody that it
was happening.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
So that's a provable thing. This research was absolutely going.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
On, yes, quietly going on as a small scale test
for a much larger operation that was going to take place.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
So maybe to look at the flip side of that.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Also in July of this year, that is, I believe
what you were referencing at the top them and you said,
how we don't necessarily support the opinions of some of
our state legislators. Marjorie Taylor Green introduced a bill to
ban cloud seating, claiming that the disastrous Texas floods were
at least in part caused by cloud seating to prevent drought.
(34:10):
And there's a great NPR segment with a weather expert
that quiets some of those fears. And yet there were
many voices, not just Marjorie Taylor Green's, you know, kind
of calling for this, which to me it seems like
a way of deflecting, you know, away from climate.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Change, right, the consequences of widespread late stage industrial pursuits.
And thank you, NOL, I appreciate that. The Another another
thing to add on there would be weather modification banning
legislature legislation going through Florida. The best known SRM currently
(34:49):
is something called SAI stratospheric aerosol injection. We discussed this
at length in our book. The idea is basically, if
we could as civilization create conditions similar to a volcanic winter,
like back in five thirty six CE. We all remember
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that it's often cited as the worst year in history.
If we could, if we could do something like that,
then we might slow down this out of control feedback loop.
Five point thirty six CE, very different time, a couple
of huge volcanic eruptions blotted out the sky. This led
(35:32):
to record failures and crop yield, which spread famine and
then plague and then geopolitical chaos. Jesus, Yeah, but don't
let that's stuff, Yeah, biblical stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's literally what nuclear winter will be when it happens, right,
but in this case a smaller scale.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And that's because of how high those clouds go that
you were talking about earlier. The mushroom clouds literally will
blot out the sun, spread all of this dust and
particles in various things that to mention the actual nuclear
particles that will change the way light is received to
your planet.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Earth and our first question naturally, folks, you must be
having the same one. Guys. If you're talking about how
terrible five point thirty six CE was, why on Earth
would anyone want to replicate it? Again? This is not
a full scale matrix event. You never go full matrix.
This is not going to be the greatest volcanic eruption
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in history.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
This is just a tribute aous de guys.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Thanks apology, oh man, guys, shout out to Tenacious Tea.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, and if you if you go and check out
some of these articles about people who want to do
this kind of stuff and want to test it out,
you'll find organizations like silver Lining and NNGO, a nonprofit
organization dedicated to ensuring that society has the information and
capabilities needed to ensure a safe and secure atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Silver Lining like, yeah, exactly, using ensuring twice in the
emission statement.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Dude crazy. And you'll find things like their silver Lining's
Stratospheric Aerosol Research Program or STAR where they are attempting
to do all of this kind of stuff and they
want to do more research, They want more tests to
find out what is the best way for us to
artificially blot out the sun. Also, SRI International, please look
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them up if you'd like to, and they stratospherically inject
funds into this kind of research all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I like that. I thought that was a nice turn
to phrase. We got to talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Could you like what.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
We mean by stratospheric aerosol injection just for pre freecap
It's the idea that you could shoot specific types of
what we call solid particle aerosols into the stratosphere at
a strited yet moderate intensity, and this can counter the
wide scale changes in temperature and precipitation. What do we
(37:59):
mean by and moderate? The most popular pitch is a
dedicated fleet of airplanes flying six thousand flights per twenty
four hours, six thousand flights every day across across a
lot of the planet, and then they're spraying thirty eight
million metric tons of sulfur dioxide? Are similar particles just
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out in the stratosphere just bom.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It's literally that scene from the Matrix. No, not the Matrix, sorry,
the Animatrix History part one. I think it's literally that scene.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean for the average government on its own, or
the average billion dollar corporation or Corporatis or techbro which
we'll get to. This is a pretty tall milkshake, right,
You've got to take a massive leap of trust. You
have to cooperate with everybody else on sensitive sticky stuff
like airspace rights, funding, political bill because the taxpayers are
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going to be paying for most of this at some point.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And the fallout of humanity. Right. Part of the reason
they want to do these tests is to see how
bad it's going to affect crop growth and how badly
it's going to affect you know, things that were dependent
on as living creatures on a rocky planet.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
And so further, the proponents argue SAI stratospheric aerosol injection
could have a pretty fast, noticeable effect. It could definitely
be cheaper than building a big old chonky sun blocking
disc or series of disk in orbit. If everything works out,
they say, we could mitigate or reverse any potential, potentially
(39:42):
deletarious side effects. So, like so many other drawing board concepts,
this sounds great in theory. It's four point thirty pm
on a Friday. You got to figure out something. But
the issue is, as we're teasing here a bit, it's
a situation where civilization does not know what happens until
(40:05):
we try it right, You don't know if the car
is going to run or explode until you start the ignition.
Got a FAFO, Got a fafo, And that's our app break.
So for anyone who like us, enjoys getting under the
(40:26):
hood of deep research of the actual academics beyond the
pop size stuff, please check out a great article from
Nature which was published in February of this year. I
think we'll all read some tea leaves in the title quote.
Injecting solid particles into the stratosphere could mitigate global warming,
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but currently entails great uncertainties.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Remember that one guy that said we should detonate a
nuke under the Earth and that that would get rid
of global war, and there was like science behind it,
but also it was just like this dude, like this
regular or the.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Cyrelian, the Darien gap or what was it solved the
Panama Canal question bro really quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Speaking of the Darien Gap, the latest episode of Pluribus
involves that in such an amazing way, and I was
so glad that I was primed to enjoy it as
much as I did because of our conversations about the
lawless and dangerous territory that is the Darien Gap.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Beautiful, I mean also currently entails great uncertainties. It's kind
of there in the title, right, oh yeah, big time,
like we were saying before the break. You know, you
go to folks like the experts at the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change and they say, ah, right, this stuff.
(41:51):
We're talking about, this aerosol injection strategy. It could limit
war me by up to two point seven degrees fahrenheit,
which for the rest of the world is one point
five degrees celsius ballpark. It's not going to make things colder,
It's going to make the feedback loop slower. So if
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we still if we still are in love with spewing
out various contaminants into the atmosphere, this is again, as
we said a ban daiy dough leader exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, where we're in a vehicle, all of us and
industry has its has that pedal to the metal, and
we're just flying towards a precipice. And the answer is
take your foot off the gas, run on ahead. However
you're going to do that, and then just build more
road out on so we can keep going even though
there is no ground anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Pretty good, or just like roll down the windows because
someone farted in the car. So are we fixing the
fart or are we fixing the direct and the inevitability
of the disaster?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yes, and it's an infinitive art. It never stops. Like
you guys, there's stuff going on in the UK too.
Earlier this year and way back in twenty twenty two,
The Guardian was writing about attempts for the UK government
to create these exact same scenarios and this exact type
of research. And I've never heard of this thing called
(43:25):
ARIA before. Have you guys heard of this in the
UK government?
Speaker 4 (43:28):
ARIA just like a sub committee of some kind or
some sort of like initiative.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's it's their answer to DARPA, but it's like a
new version of it called the Advanced Research and Invention Agency.
And they're putting a ton of money in attempting to
start programs or at least seed money, seed money into
programs that are looking at this exact type of thing.
And it really is weird to me out Just look
(43:53):
into them a little bit, you'll see the strange stuff
that's happening in the UK and the US when it
comes to these experiments that appear to be last ditch
efforts to solve climate change without actually having to do anything.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Without actually solving climate change, kind of to make climate
change okay, make climate change great again, right.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Without having to change anything anybody's doing. And you can
head on over to the Advanced Research and Invention Agency's website,
which is ARA dot org dot uk and look up
exploring options for actively cooling the Earth. This is a
pretty huge believe. It comes in a PDF format once
you actually get there, and I guess I can read
(44:37):
some of it here just so we all understand. This
document presents the core thesis underpinning a program that has
now launched. It is a program that has now launched.
An ARIA program seeks to unlock a scientific or technical
capability that one changes the perception of what's possible or valuable,
two has the potential to catalyze massive social and economic returns,
(44:59):
and three is unlikely to be achieved without aria's intervention.
And this particular intervention is called future Proofing our Climate
and Weather and it was originally published back in twenty
twenty four in May, and you can look all you
can look at this whole thing, the reasoning behind this
concept of why they need to take this action, why
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they need to do the stratospheric aerosol injection thing. And
it's super creepy.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And this also tells us that multiple world governments are
researching not just SAI, but other types of weather modification
or SRN. If SAI sounds like too much of a gamble, Oh, fellow,
britz Fellow, conspiracy realist, friends and neighbors, hang on to
(45:48):
your Oregon cloud busters. There's plenty of other stuff beneath
this umbrella. We're talking about stuff like Marine cloud Brightening
MCB would be this street name. This is the maritime
answer to the SIA thing. This is the idea that
instead of getting a bunch of planes to do six
(46:10):
thousand flights per day, you could get something north of
fifteen hundred customized ships and they would go around the
planet's oceans and they would pump twelve thousand gallons of
seawater per second into the air. This would make marine
clouds reflect more sunlight. It is doable. That's a pro.
(46:35):
It also has the added advantage of occurring away from
a lot of human population at the beginning. Yeah, people
love a nimbi, you know what I mean. People love
nimbi and cumulo. We got to do it to them.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Well, because that's what that's the point you're making there, right, Ben,
that you're going to create clouds, and those clouds will
be affected by the power utters that occur across the globe.
Right as those clouds continue along their merry way, they
are going to end up somewhere and they are going
to be filled with water and.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
To deal, right, you can talk about your kids learning
about the weather. That's what you learn about at that
stage is the different types of clouds and what separates them.
And if I'm not mistaken, a lot of it has
to do with just like how much moisture they're holding.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yes, what altitude, what the temperature is, what moisture they're holding,
what the pressure system is like, and one that they're encountering. Right,
So it's all of that stuff. It's just a really
good point, Ben, Anything that you do here is not
just going to affect one area, right if you're shooting clouds.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, right we're talking
about it at the very top that we've talked about
for years. You know, we've been quoting experts when we
talk about it, the system is huge. Earth is a
super organism. So just like just like hitting yourself with
some substance in your ribcage is going to affect the
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rest of your body, it is also hitting a specific
part of Earth's weather system is going to affect the
rest of it. And this leads us to another This
is an umbrella inside the umbrella of weather modification. So
we're going a couple layers deep or incepting into some
matroshka dulls of how you say it, Noll around and
(48:28):
find out, thank you for the beep, Dylan, we Faffo
thinks that's probably more correct. We have another toolkit called
surface albedo modification or SAM, not to be confused with
everybody's favorite uncle Sam is. SAM is saying, let's take
a bunch of little stuff. Let's try some little things,
(48:49):
and those little things can together compound. Yeah, the interest
the mitigation compounds stuff like, Hey, nobody's hanging out in
the Arctic. Let's get a bunch of hollow glass microspheres
to reflect sudlight, and everybody, everybody in your city or town,
(49:13):
paint all the roofs white.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's not funny.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
It is funny. But also, if I'm not mistaken, guys,
here in Atlanta, there's been talk of an initiative to
install lighter colored roofs.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
But it's great.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
It's one of those pine and the Sky kind of
things because it's such a hard thing to enact all
at once. So it does I'm sorry I keep using
that expression, but just it's a nice idea. But to
actually get that collective involvement requires so many things like
tax incentives and various things to encourage people to actually
do it, to you know, encourage compliance.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
But it doesn't help. Oh my gosh, there I'm picturing
it now. Guys. There's a smoky back room at a
Sherwin Williams, right, and they've got there, they've got their
illegal Cuban cigars, and they're saying, hey, uh so, how
much paint do you need?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
So it's like a chair company.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, just so.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But okay, let's say we paint the entire surface of
the earth white. That doesn't solve any problem, right, because
with the nature of the greenhouse gases is that as
that radiation comes in and heats the surface, hits the surface,
it bounces back and it literally gets trapped inside the
atmosphere dome. That's why the stratospheric aerosol injection thing happening
(50:27):
above that layer of the atmosphere where this is occurring
is theoretically a good idea. But otherwise, if we do
a lot of these things the SAMs, we're still going
to be trapped inside this atmosphere that continues to heat.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Up and data layers. Yeah. Another sam idea that we
should include is the concept. This is a shout out
for all or gmopals in the audience tonight. What if
we seriously someone said this, what if we genetically modify
crops to have a lighter color, which is definitely not
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fixing the problem? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Man, I wish you could think, oh wait we can
that's the police.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, so I'm saying, I think if you paint it
all white, it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Well, then what am I thinking about? Because there is
think about a local maybe a local effect or even
just maybe it.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Was mitigate warming in cities. Yes, precisely, they are a
city more livable. Right and again to this point that
we we hit earlier civilization cannot prove the efficacy of
these attempts until they drive the car around the block
(51:40):
and we've got to save our favorite for last. Ooh,
if you love a comic book, Ooh, if you love
a Bond super villain. Ooh, if you love sunglasses on
a hot day. Why don't we just make space mirrors?
Why don't we just make sunshades for space, you know,
launch a bunch of big mirrors to directly reflect back
(52:02):
solar radiation and light and all that. Or why don't
we make an army very small like drowne swarm starlink
esque mirrors and or lenses or metallic disc and we
just put them between the Sun and planet Earth. We
build a shield to partially cover the world. If we're
(52:23):
stuck on a beach, Why don't we build an umbrella
for everyone?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's not a bad idea. How do you keep it
in the right place? It had to be in orbit,
I suppose, Or yeah, wow, that is that. It would
be a marvel.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
It's also a little expensive. It's like when the It's
like if we were at the Save the World restaurant
and the server came up to us and gave us
our choices, our entrees options for saving the world. This
one is quote unquote market price, Like, we have no
idea how expensive it might be.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Ooh, but it could be one step towards a dison
grid or a dice in sphere, something like that.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Whout out to Buck Munster as well.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, you could probably gather a whole lot of energy
if you did something like that, and it was more
of a mesh, you know, than a full mirror or something.
So you're not gonna stop all the light from hitting Earth,
but you are going to reduce it by some you know, percentage.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Or something possibly harvested.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, oh, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
I mean the second so first issue, big expense, second issue.
Near Earth orbit is currently littered with debris, so much
so that it has recently stranded astronauts in space. We
are again the trashy house in the neighborhood, you know
what I mean. Like, there's a lot of stuff going
(53:48):
on up there. So we'd have to not only position
I think a swarm of small small mirrors, lenses or
disc is probably smarter than a couple of big ones,
you know, egg and one basket, et cetera. We have
to be able to ensure that those things would stay
between Earth and the Sun and also not get the
(54:12):
Christ smacked out of them by all the trash humans
put up in space earlier. It's it's rough, but I
get it. Tell you guys, it's also a new boom industry.
Remember Elon Musk from earlier.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yes, oh, how could we forget? He sort of insists
upon himself a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, he's like the Godfather. He's like a film review
of the Godfather. Yeah. The idea is that I know
we've all read up on this. Elon Musk has signaled
aspirations to leverage starlink, not just for AI but also
for solar engineering.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
It's already kind of doing it right. It's blocking like
Bubble and a bunch of other telescopes because of all.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
His satellites out there that are that are responsible for
trying admitting the starlink signals.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Right, Well, well there, what the heck was? It was
something recently in the news about telescopes are having a
really hard time not having just a crap tone of
these starlink satellites in all of their imagery.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
There's a lot of trash in space, Like that's the
barrier to entry for space is just money. You know,
if you can get your stuff out there. There's nothing
really preventing you from blocking the hubble.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Money has a gravity all its own, you know what
I mean. You can't just drive up to the hubble
and then say, nah, move that thing a little bit
to the left. You know, I got to see this,
This horseshoe, nebula, this leather jacket is turning me into
a jersey person. The jacket, the jackets, right, But this,
(55:45):
I mean, it is not that crazy, right, aside from
any human controversy, if you just look at the technology
of starlink, a satellite network plane utility in the near
Earth orbit field is frankly more plausible than getting to Mars.
(56:05):
And I hope that's not a hot take, but it
is true.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
No, it's not a hot take. And it's also more palatable,
probably than blotting out the Sun with a bunch of
clouds that you can't control once they're up there. Right, Like,
have you got satellites in orbit, Maybe there's something you
could do if they're covering too much of the Sun's
light or something, right, maybe you could make alterations to
them and then say, hey, we actually need to decrease
the amount we're blocking now. But the clouds are like,
(56:31):
oh weoop swell, we got Oh geez, we got a
long time before those clouds dissipate, So I guess we're screwed.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
And the issue is that with this, for any folks
that are leaning into or interested in conspiratorial speculation, the
issue is that these things will be visible to you,
most of them, if they occur. Right. We've got some
great nonprofits who continually monitors satellite activity. We may not
(57:05):
know what the satellite is doing, but we do know
where it is, and we can usually predict where it
goes unless somebody pooning up a little bit extra for
some thrusters. We also know that cloud formation cloud seeding
is easily observable, and these are everything we named, even
(57:26):
the crazy stuff like building sunshades in orbit. It is
technically doable with current technology, but there are theoretical consequences
that no one is super agreed upon. There's not a
scientific consensus on what will definitely one hundred percent happen.
(57:47):
That's why critics are warning these actions result in droughts, floods,
unseasonable hurricanes and monsoons. And the issue is that once
you start automating this stuff, once you get past a
certain threshold. Just like The Sorcerers Apprentice and Fantasia, you
might not be able to dial back the consequences. You
(58:10):
may not be able to truly reverse those effects. Oh,
the planet's colder, but hypothetically it's way colder that we
want it to be. And the crops won't grow because
they're still the crops are old school, they're still on
this sunlight thing. We've accidentally recreated year five thirty six
(58:32):
CE worse your ever.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
That's right so far. Yeah, and the experts are weighing in.
They have been since twenty twenty two. You can head
on over to Solar Geoengineering's website. There's an open letter
you can read there. It's solargeng dot org. And in
this letter you've got just a ton of signatories on
(58:55):
there who are scientists who are really nervous about what
the world might do through private industry. Right with like
the test we talked about that was unknown it was
going to happen in San Francisco until it got shut down.
They're worried about private industry going in and just kind
of cowboying the whole thing for us, right, it's for us.
It's also a giant venture to make money.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
This open letter says that they and everyone who signed
their open letter share three fundamental concerns, which does outline
them really fast. First, the risks of solar geoengineering are
poorly understood and can never be fully known until we're
in the midst of it, essentially, is what they're saying. Second,
speculative hopes about the future availability of solar geoengineering technologies
(59:41):
threaten commitments to mitigation and can disincentivize governments, businesses, and
societies to do their utmost to achieve decarbonization or carbon
neutrality as soon as possible. And third, the current global
governance system is unfit to develop and implement the far
reaching agreements needed to maintain fare in inclusive and effective
political control over solar geoengineering and deployment, which just they're saying,
(01:00:07):
once this thing gets started, there's no way to stop it.
We don't know what's going to happen, and we have
no control mechanisms over either who's doing it or how
it's being deployed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Right, which is, you know, essentially what we've been seeing
all along in this episode, And so the question becomes
always is perfect the enemy of good. Can you create
more problems by attempting to solve an immediate problem or
a long term problem. Everybody agrees on this. Something must
(01:00:38):
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Speaker 2 (00:25):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
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They call me Ben. We're joy das always with our
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begin tonight's episode, as we record on Monday, December fifteenth,
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we want to take a moment that we don't always do,
to remember the tragic events of this past weekend, to
hold space for the victims of the Brown shooting and
for the profound losses of the Reiner family. We have
received a lot of correspondents about this. We were in
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contact loosely with each other, and while we respect the
privacy of the family at this time, it's a great
loss for the world. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
I mean, as the one person I think we've ever
spoken to that I genuinely got starstruck and fan boyd about.
And they also just did not disappoint just as genuine
and kind and generous a person as anyone might think
he was.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Absolutely and in his honor, we've decided we're going to
republish our interview with him for the podcast Who Killed
JFK that he worked really hard on with a big
old team there with solidad O'Brien and folks that we
know here at iHeart, and we just think it's worth
our time to go back and listen. We've already listened
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to it here, you know, on the home front, We've
already gone back through and just to remember him, and
just to remember I don't know how good of a
guy he seemed, just in that brief hour that we
got to spend with.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
Him, and we more importantly think it's worth your time, folks.
As Matt is alluding to, we interviewed Rob back in
twenty twenty three. Beyond his many accolades as a writer, director, actor, producer,
he was, as you said, no, genuinely kind and brilliant man,
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cared deeply about the world his craft, cared deeply about others.
So our hearts go out to everyone who has lost
a loved one in his processing tragedy. Please be safe, folks,
This is not a hallmark statement, remember that you are
not alone now.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
And then also just a quick mention and thought going
out to our Australian listeners dealing with the horrific tragedy
attack on the Jewish community near in Bondi Beach.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
And with this we are going to continue the show.
We are always here for anybody who wants to reach
out conspiracydiheartradio dot com. We're recording again on Monday, December fifteenth,
and we're returning to one of our long standing fascinations.
So way back in earlier evenings when we first started
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this show, and we're convinced we would get in big trouble, right.
Our very first video was, by the way, about the
JFK assassination, But we were also interested in something that
everyone has in common, the weather. Right look up there
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in the sky. What's that weird thing? Could you change
the weather? Could you in engineering? Could you see the cloud?
Speaker 4 (04:01):
How do we make small talk if there wasn't the
weather to talk about? You know? But if you want
to take that a little further with people on the
leve they're ask them what they think about weather modification.
Speaker 3 (04:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:10):
One of our first seven videos I think was on chemtrails, right,
So that was along with water fluoridation Edward Burnet's Tesla.
They're like some of the earliest things that, yeah, some
of the earliest topics that we were ever fascinated by
because there have been actual there when we ask about
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is there sand to something? Right, there is sand to
weather modification and to giant plans to do some pretty
crazy stuff in the geoengineering field here on planet Earth.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
Well, even if you just look at the parlor trick
aspect of it that we've seen countries do for kind
of displays of national prowess or whatever. Was it China
Ben that did a cloud seating demonstration as part of
the Olympics.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
Yes, during the two thousand and eight Olympics, he in China.
You know, when we first began investigating these ideas of
cloud seeding, weather modification, solar geoengineering another term, I think
it's fair to say that we came into that with
open minds and more than a wheelbarrow of skepticism. However,
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as we discovered there's more than a grain of truth
to some of this stuff. There's so much in fact
that we could not let twenty five pass us by
without returning to the wide world of cloud seeding, geoengineering,
the human civilizations that said, hey, if we did wreck
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the planet, maybe we're the ones who can fix it,
And this becomes I love the point you may know
about how it used to be small talk to mention
the weather, but now that weather may indeed be weaponized,
the global ecosystem, the sphere has coming chaotic, and more
and more folks are not asking about the weather as
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small talk. They're asking about the weather because they're worried.
And as we are going to see in tonight's episode,
more and more powerful forces are trying, for better or
for worse, to influence.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
It because it would cost way too much money to
stop putting all the crap into the atmosphere that's causing
the whole global warming climate change thing. Instead, let's, uh,
why don't we try the matrix that worked out well?
Speaker 3 (06:30):
Right? Yeah, Like, as we said, we're going to see
a lot of harm. Harump, harumph, something must be done
and a lot of what if? What if? What if?
Speaker 4 (06:41):
Oh, Matt, are you suggesting we do the matrix?
Speaker 2 (06:44):
I'm suggesting there are people suggesting we do the matrix.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
Okay, we can put a pin in that for now.
Speaker 3 (06:49):
And they've seen the matrix, and that's our gold open
or a warm open. I'm doing climate change jokes. Here
are some goods, products and services. As our friend Robert
Evans likes to say, here are the facts. All right. Look,
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we got a Bob Dylan quote that I think stays
with a lot of us. You don't need a weatherman
to know which way the wind blows. Shout out to
subterranean homesick blues. If you are human, you gotta admit
we still don't really understand the weather. And I don't
want us to irritate any of our fellow conspiracy realists
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in the crowd who might happen to be meteorologist, because
that that can be really annoying to them. I think
we should explain what we mean by quote not understanding
the weather?
Speaker 4 (07:49):
Well, sure, I mean science has definitely made some advances
in our lifetimes, even in terms of the ability to
pull out patterns and use veryarious pieces of equipment to
measure the weather, to look at various movements of the weather,
and hopefully to do some reasonably well informed predicting of
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the weather, making humanity at least a little bit more
prepared than in times past to deal with natural disasters,
you know, things like absolutely catastrophic weather events.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Yeah, to deal with them if they existed at their baseline, right,
which is changing. We still don't as a civilization understand
the entirety of how this global interconnected system functions internally.
And cloud seating is a great example of this. How
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would we explain cloud seating to anyone who has never
heard of this?
Speaker 2 (08:53):
You spray some aerosolized silver iodide and or other stuff
into where clouds are forming as a way to either
get those clouds to drop their precipitation early, or to
drop their precipitation in a different spot than where they
would naturally right. So that's why it's more of a
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modification than a control, which is interesting because you're not
fully controlling what clouds are doing when you see them,
You're just modifying them.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Is scientists theorized about the ability to modify weather patterns
in local and then regional levels, and their whole goal
was to increase precipitation. It goes this pursuit goes all
the way back to the late eighteen hundreds. Also, by
the way, Dylan, I don't know if we have a
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sound queue for this. But word of the day nephology,
not nephrology, which is the study of kidneys, But nephology
is the study of clouds.
Speaker 4 (09:55):
That's so poetic, and not phrenology, which also kind of
your brain tends to jump to, which is what the outdated,
antiquated and inherently racist study of the bumps on people's heads.
Speaker 3 (10:06):
And there's nothing wrong with studying bumps on a skull,
there's nothing wrong with looking at clouds on the sky.
The questions become complicated when you start to draw unfounded
conclusions or confirmation biased from those right. Ah, thanks man.
So in the nineteen forties we got these two scientists
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from General Electric who proved the concept of cloud seeding conclusively,
and like Matt was saying, they increase the amount of
particles in certain areas of the atmosphere. And when they
put you know, dry ice or what we say earlier
silver iod diet, that's a popular one. They put it
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out in the sky and this allowed water vapor in
a cloud to condense and then form a greater concentration
of ice crystals or rain drops. Essentially, because I know
we're all in love with this word, they were goosing
the clouds. They were juicing the clouds.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, in the example you gave earlier nol in China
when the Olympics were there time ago, the attempt there
was to make it rain before that rain got to Beijing,
which was like the whole point, or to make the
snow and everything else fall in places where it wouldn't
affect the city. So they're goosing them the clouds and
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formations before they get to a target.
Speaker 3 (11:31):
And again that's an advance of the two thousand and
eight Olympics. But in the decades since, right the twenties
and the forties, countries across the planet have been not
only experimenting with, but actively implementing cloud seeding programs, and
they're doing it generally in a defensive way, to combat drought,
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get rid of fog around airports, to try to stop
hailstones from breaking people's car shields, to weaken hurricanes, which
is amazing, and of course to increase snowfall.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
That talk of weakening hurricanes piques my interest because it
always seems to it seems to be something some kind
of a high in the sky suggestion that we could
potentially break up hurricanes before they get bad. But doesn't
seem like that's really on the table exactly.
Speaker 3 (12:22):
Not yet, because it's very much an imperfect science. Imagine
imagine that you had a piece of wood about the
size of an iPhone, and then you invented a chainsaw,
and you said, I'm gonna learn how to whittle. People
don't understand what's happening. Also, the neat thing about that
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analogy is the reverse works as well. As Imagine you
had a piece of wood the size of the planet,
and then you invented a tidy little chainsaw, but you
didn't know what it was cutting. That's unfortunately accurate. The
issue is, of course, going back to our old analogy,
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the Sorcerer's Apprentice Fantasia. The issue with cloud seating is
that the moisture comes from somewhere else, it's not created
out of whole cloth. This means that cloud seating past
a certain threshold can have serious adverse effects on other areas.
We cannot current civilization can not fully predict those effects,
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and current civilization does not know whether those knock on
effects will have a snowball result or create a feedback
loop of very nasty, non ideal stuff. Well, it is.
Speaker 4 (13:44):
They're very complex systems with a lot of variables and
a lot of moving parts far flung from one another.
That can you know, change in the system over here
can impact changing the system way, you know, on the
other side of the country. Even so, it's really hard
to predict exactly where all those pieces are gonna fall
at any given time.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Again, we can't predict, right. We're the kids who said, oh,
here's a way to automate the cleaning, right, here's a
way to automate the mitigation of the consequences of previous actions,
And now all of a sudden, we're in a fantasia situation.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
Never want to be in one of those.
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I like the what's that guy's name? Not Borlog, you know,
the the right the Halloween night mountain thing that seemed cool,
But yeah, no one really wants to be in that situation.
And that's why there are so many technologies proliferating under
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this umbrella of what we would call geoengineering or particularly
solar engineering. And we'll get to some more of those
later in tonight's episode, But you got I think one
of the things we have to note is that there
is a gap between public understanding of the weather and
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scientific understanding of the same phenomena, Like, have you ever
watched the news or pulled up a report where you
see a very confident meteorologist say, oh, there's only a
fifteen percent chance of raining in your zip code, and
you look outside and it's absolutely buckets, it's a deluge.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
She makes me think back to the plot of Curb
Your Enthusiasm episode where they accuse the weather man of
falsely predicting the rain so that he can have the
golf course to himself. No meteorologists worth there, I had
died salt would do anything of the sort that is
absolutely reprehensible behavior.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
Well, well, yeah, let's speak on this back to basics
and the understanding of weather patterns and stuff. I happen
to have a couple ten year olds in my house
who have been learned about the weather in school, right,
And that goes back to the different types of clouds,
how what altitude certain types of clouds form at, and
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that is it actually has a lot to do with
today's episode because this concept of cloud scening that we
just talked about in the next one, that we're going
to talk about the difference between contrails and chemtrails, which
are both real things. It's just you know, the chemtrails
thing has gotten a little out of hand, but they
all occur. These things occur theoretically at the altitudes where
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clouds are going to form, right, And as we talked
about before on our gosh, I can't remember the name
of the episode, but the one about the nuclear apocalypse
and what would happen if we ever did get into
some kind of global scale nuclear warfare.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
Check it out.
Speaker 4 (16:50):
I want to brighten up your day.
Speaker 2 (16:52):
Yeah, but we talked about how the clouds formed by
nuclear explosions travels so much higher in altitude than regular
clouds that that's why they're a problem, right, And we
just saw on the news of volcanic eruption that shot
stuff you know, matter ash and all that stuff well
above the levels of cloud formation. So like, this is
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the stuff that's super dangerous. But that doesn't mean you
can't still do things like keem trails to the clouds themselves,
or even to cover within the clouds.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Yeah. Yeah, this idea again going back to the gap
between public understanding and the weather and a scientific understanding
of the same phenomena. It shows us why it's such
a trope for people to doubt their local weather reporter,
and I love that shout out to curb your enthusiasm.
And there is no better example of this, as we're saying,
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than the argument around contrails versus chem trails. We've explored
this in the past and at length in our books,
So quick recap. Con Trails normal clouds of ice crystals
formed because hot gas comes from the exhaust of a
plane's engines. It meets water vapor that is present in
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the super dups cold air of the upper atmosphere. Contrails
dissipate within moments or stay around for hours, and it
all depends on the temperature and humidity of the plane's altitude. Now,
human civilization knew about this since the nineteen twenties. Right,
M trails ch M trails are a conspiracy theory according
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to the lore, not garden variety ice crystals. Instead, they're
full of chemicals that the insert government here is dispersing
for any nefarious purpose, sometimes to alter the weather, sometimes
to affect human bodies and minds.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
You know.
Speaker 4 (18:49):
And this isn't to be confused with like chemicals that
maybe you know, crop dusters, or like lower flying airplanes
might disperse you know, for pest control purposes, sure, fertilizer
what have you, which also have their own of badgeres
wrapped up in them. But these are, to Matt's point,
trails that would be dispersed theoretically at the same altitude
as clouds are forming.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Yes, theoretically that that is the concept. And it's a
really good example there knowll of you know thinking about
this as crop dusting, but just happening way way, way
way up in the atmosphere and the crops in this case,
in the theory are you.
Speaker 3 (19:24):
I'd like everybody to check out our serious, provable research
into things like operation large area coverage, which inspires a
lot of the ideas. And I agree with you though
that that crop dusty analogy is perfect, and Matt, I
like the way you spun that as well. The issue
with these the kim trail contral thing. The reason we're
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bringing this up is that just like the moisture and
cloud seeding, these conspiratorial ideas about people futzing with the weather,
they don't come from nowhere, because weather is you reversal.
Humans can all witness the weather. It affects everyone. It
is of continual concern and if we add to that
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later declassified evidence shows that world governments have in fact
conspired to influence the weather multiple times throughout history, and
get those folks. They continue to do so today. Whether
modification is real, Jewish space lasers are not. And I
feel like us, being located in our fair metropolis of Atlanta, Georgia,
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I feel like we have to say we do not
officially co sign the statements of politician Marjorie Taylor Green right.
Speaker 2 (20:42):
No, but space lasers are real.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Yes, space are real from Elmus from earlier and a
lot of other research.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Yeah, I have a bunch of private companies that are
attempting to put that stuff up there and targeted energy
weapons and adding defensive measures to us stuff that's float
around in space. It's getting real warry up there, guys.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
And here's hoping the Space Treaty holds. The thing about
weather modification is yeah, it is true. But the capabilities
of these technologies, I think we can agree. For a
long time they were overstated. There were these fears of
big government, illuminati, end of the world, doomsday weather scenarios
that often turned out to be fanciful tall tales. You know,
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there was flimsy if any evidence. But that's the case
so far. I mean, we do have these two proven axioms.
Weather systems are changing, science and technology are evolving at
a breakneck bace, Like, can we all agree that those
two things are true?
Speaker 4 (21:51):
I think so we can also maybe agree on being
true is the fact that along with those things changing,
other's changing too, Like certain patterns that were once maybe
more predictable are becoming a bit less predictable. I don't
think that's controversial to say, what do you guys think?
Speaker 2 (22:10):
Absolutely not, absolutely not. And there's a real fear about
the changing climate and what it's going to do to
all of humanity. And there are people with lots of
money who are in charge of huge corporations, mostly in
the energy sector, that are getting into some pretty weird
concepts about what we might be able to do with
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this whole weather modification slash geoengineering thing.
Speaker 3 (22:36):
Yeah, experts around the world largely agree the clock is ticking.
Humanities driving the car like mad right over a cliff
disaster is no longer a question of if, but when.
The cool axiom, the second axiom that may potentially save
this endeavor is science and technology evolving at a breakneck pace.
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Humanity is throwing so much brain power and funding into
at times unorthodox methods of corrallying ecosystemic chaos out of
these off kilter weather patterns, trying to save it. So
the question becomes, if civilization caused the issue in the
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first place, shouldn't civilization also be hopefully able to provide
some solutions. It's therefore logical for us all to assume
together that there has been a ton of strange work
going into this, and folks, to be honest with you,
that assumption is correct.
Speaker 4 (23:42):
And we will jump right into that after a quick
word from our sponsor.
Speaker 3 (23:51):
Here's where it gets crazy, all right, Modern humanity futs
in with the weather for a long time. It's an
old obsession. You remember, back when there would be south
Sayers and Shamans and dowsers and what is it? The
cloudbuster guy, Oregone Guy, the.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Right cloudbusting daddy, Hey Bush. We did an episode about
a dude that did like a hoax or he was
sort of like a fly by night guy that came
to town somewhere in the Midwest when it was enduring,
I believe, the dust bowl and then claimed that he
could make it rain and there was a tie in
with Oregon Energy and all of that stuff. I just
remember discussing that. I couldn't quite google it up, though,
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but I'm gonna I'm gonna look into it because I
know we definitely did an episode a ridiculous history about
this sort of like weird dude that came to town,
kind of like the monorail guy and the Simpsons, you know.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, I remember that one. We know
that a lot of these folks were no, we don't
want to disparage them. A lot of them were rifters,
but a lot of them also were very connected to
the land. They could predict in a way weathered right, ORMs, famine,
flood things of that nature. But we know the first
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scientifically recognized weather modification experiment dates back to nineteen forty six.
It's November thirteen. There's a guy named Vincent Schaeffer, and
he's a dry ice boy. He puts a bunch of
dry ice out into the atmosphere. It hits these super
cooled clouds near Schenectady and Schenectady is is such a
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fun word to say that I barely use it outside
stand up, But guys, when he did this he created snow.
He was not a rain maker, but he was a
snow bringer. People were astounded, and Uncle Sam paid attention
because remember this is forty six, right, so it's right
after World War Two. Oh really quickly.
Speaker 4 (25:51):
The episode I was talking about was called did a
Real Life rain Maker Almost dround San Diego? And it
was about a dude coming through San Diego during a
serious around that same time, man named Charles Mallory Hatfield.
So do check out one out if you want a
little bit of a light take on some of the stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
Perfect, perfect, that's awesome. Uh and yeah, thank you for
checking out. When out folks. If we fast forward a
few decades, we see there are multiple classified government projects
pursuing similar technologies of particular note I thing we've discussed
in the past Operation Popeye. You guys remember Operation Popeye.
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The name is way more fun than what they actually
tried to do usually is.
Speaker 4 (26:34):
Or actually that's not true. A lot of times the
name has really been all and the stuff they tried
to do is insane.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
Is this the one where they dropped a bunch of
stuff to kill the the the flora? To where is
that a different one?
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Orange?
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Crap?
Speaker 3 (26:52):
This is different.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
They wanted to extend monsoon season.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
I believe this is weaponized weather modification, of weaponizing the
weather to Asdall said, attempt to extend monsoon season during
the Vietnam War, right, Yeah, through Laus, you know, to
make roots of transit impassable. Pretty pretty nasty stuff, especially
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because again they're trying to whittle with a chainsaw. They're
painting with a broad brush. And this is true, this
is Operation pop By there. They're also in that process. Uh,
they brought misery to tons of innocent civilians. So public
attention to these endeavors and waxes WANs, but government and
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scientific interest do not. And as the weather worsens, the boffins,
the eggheads, your favorite academics, they've moved past just making moisture.
Rain makers have graduated to a kind of shark take thing,
pitching ideas to save the world. We've talked about a
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few their potential weather modification basically, and most of it's
going to fall under a loose category that we call
solar radiation modification or solar geoengineering.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Yeah. The basic concept is everybody knows that the climate
is changing the Earth is heating up little by little, right,
and we've already hit one of the benchmarks that scientists said, Hey,
if we hit this benchmark, it's not good and it's
gonna be really hard to go back. And a lot
of that has to do with emissions. Right, All the
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things that we're aware of that humanity does to warm
up the earth, stuff that's provable. None of that is
fake news. None of that is stuff that you can't
look up the science behind it. The problem is what
do you do about it?
Speaker 4 (28:54):
Right? And this is something just addressed in strange news,
But did you also to have a little bit of
good news to go along with that moment? Apparently the
hole in the ozone layer is doing pretty well. It's
on track to closing up.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
Yeah, it's been doing well. The collective action matters, and
I think we talked about that a little bit in
the past. Whenever we need a sprinkle of good news,
you know, so go team Solar Radiation Modification for our
purpose is tonight. We might call it SRM. It's an umbrella.
(29:27):
We'll keep it at umbrella, get it whatever, thank you,
thank you know. It's it's this toolkit of large scale
proposed approaches to reducing global warming by attempting to somehow
block an amount of sunlight hitting Earth. It is very
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matrix level stuff in principle, and the concept is again,
if we can increase the amount of sunlight bounced back
away from Earth and out into space, then we as
a civilization may be able to mitigate some of those
alarming climate trends we discussed previously.
Speaker 2 (30:12):
Yes, but the most important thing here is this is
treating a symptom, right like the constant. This whole concept
that maybe we can bounce back some of the solar
radiation and cool the earth down is treating the heating part, right.
It's not treating the stuff that is causing the heating here,
like the stuff that the solar radiation interacts with in
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order to trap heat and continually warm the planet. We're
just trying to block some of the solar radiation like
as a it's a band aid right on something that
needs some serious surgery.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, you could say. You could say, for another example, hey,
I make a lot of trash, and I keep making
more trash. My house is becoming a trash place. Instead
of clean up the trash, why don't I just find
another place to put trash but never actually clean my house.
Speaker 2 (31:08):
Well, yeah, let's just get some air fresheners. Smells like
trash in here.
Speaker 3 (31:14):
So this is not meant to be a silver bullet
by any means we got. We have to be clear
about this with you, folks. The concepts all of that,
all the ones we're going to explore, they are not
meant to replace ongoing to Nole's point, successful initiatives to
reduce greenhouse gas emissions. They're meant to compliment that. So
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to that earlier argument you just heard, folks, the idea
could be that if these are band aid solutions, it's
not just one band aid, it's a stream of band aids. Right,
It's a bandolier, a bandid do leer.
Speaker 2 (31:51):
Yeah, it's a band aid to cover the entire earth.
Love it, and then you got to keep that band
aid on or it gets really bad or really fast.
Speaker 4 (31:59):
Wasn't that a conservation initiative like band aid the Earth
or like give the Earth a hug or something along
the world.
Speaker 3 (32:07):
There was definitely there was definitely that tour franchise band aid, right,
remember that one? Yeah? Wait, that was ban that was
doing aid.
Speaker 4 (32:16):
It was like anyway, but I'm in my mind, I'm
thinking like some sort of recycling initiative where it was
like an image with a globe. But maybe I'm also
thinking of cover the earth the du loo.
Speaker 3 (32:27):
Williams. That's what which still is my favorite sinister logo
for a paint company just looks like blood. Think about it, folks,
try to get that back room for that paint company.
Speaker 4 (32:38):
They won't have you.
Speaker 2 (32:39):
Let's get back blood too, Just to get back to
solar radiation modification. Earlier in July of this year, Politico
put out an article titled Researchers quietly planned a test
to dim sunlight. They wanted to avoid scaring the public.
We've talked about this before. This is one of these
SRM tests that was going to happen, and it was
(33:00):
backed by a bunch of private money and institutions, universities
and billionaires, and it is. It is a really weird
tale of people truly attempting to do the blot out
the sun thing by creating clouds high above the regular
cloud formation levels so that it would they would just
(33:22):
sit up there and block the sunlight, literally blotting out
the sun. But it got shut down when when local
officials found out that it was happening in the San
Francisco Bay because they didn't even tell anybody that it
was happening.
Speaker 4 (33:35):
So that's a provable thing. This research was absolutely going.
Speaker 2 (33:38):
On, yes, quietly going on as a small scale test
for a much larger operation that was going to take place.
Speaker 3 (33:46):
So maybe to look at the flip side of that.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
Also in July of this year, that is, I believe
what you were referencing at the top them and you said,
how we don't necessarily support the opinions of some of
our state legislators. Marjorie Taylor Green introduced a bill to
ban cloud seating, claiming that the disastrous Texas floods were
at least in part caused by cloud seating to prevent drought.
(34:10):
And there's a great NPR segment with a weather expert
that quiets some of those fears. And yet there were
many voices, not just Marjorie Taylor Green's, you know, kind
of calling for this, which to me it seems like
a way of deflecting, you know, away from climate.
Speaker 3 (34:27):
Change, right, the consequences of widespread late stage industrial pursuits.
And thank you, NOL, I appreciate that. The Another another
thing to add on there would be weather modification banning
legislature legislation going through Florida. The best known SRM currently
(34:49):
is something called SAI stratospheric aerosol injection. We discussed this
at length in our book. The idea is basically, if
we could as civilization create conditions similar to a volcanic winter,
like back in five thirty six CE. We all remember
(35:11):
that it's often cited as the worst year in history.
If we could, if we could do something like that,
then we might slow down this out of control feedback loop.
Five point thirty six CE, very different time, a couple
of huge volcanic eruptions blotted out the sky. This led
(35:32):
to record failures and crop yield, which spread famine and
then plague and then geopolitical chaos. Jesus, Yeah, but don't
let that's stuff, Yeah, biblical stuff.
Speaker 2 (35:42):
It's literally what nuclear winter will be when it happens, right,
but in this case a smaller scale.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
And that's because of how high those clouds go that
you were talking about earlier. The mushroom clouds literally will
blot out the sun, spread all of this dust and
particles in various things that to mention the actual nuclear
particles that will change the way light is received to
your planet.
Speaker 3 (36:05):
Earth and our first question naturally, folks, you must be
having the same one. Guys. If you're talking about how
terrible five point thirty six CE was, why on Earth
would anyone want to replicate it? Again? This is not
a full scale matrix event. You never go full matrix.
This is not going to be the greatest volcanic eruption
(36:27):
in history.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
This is just a tribute aous de guys.
Speaker 4 (36:33):
Thanks apology, oh man, guys, shout out to Tenacious Tea.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Yeah, and if you if you go and check out
some of these articles about people who want to do
this kind of stuff and want to test it out,
you'll find organizations like silver Lining and NNGO, a nonprofit
organization dedicated to ensuring that society has the information and
capabilities needed to ensure a safe and secure atmosphere.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
Silver Lining like, yeah, exactly, using ensuring twice in the
emission statement.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Dude crazy. And you'll find things like their silver Lining's
Stratospheric Aerosol Research Program or STAR where they are attempting
to do all of this kind of stuff and they
want to do more research, They want more tests to
find out what is the best way for us to
artificially blot out the sun. Also, SRI International, please look
(37:26):
them up if you'd like to, and they stratospherically inject
funds into this kind of research all the time.
Speaker 3 (37:32):
I like that. I thought that was a nice turn
to phrase. We got to talk about.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
Could you like what.
Speaker 3 (37:37):
We mean by stratospheric aerosol injection just for pre freecap
It's the idea that you could shoot specific types of
what we call solid particle aerosols into the stratosphere at
a strited yet moderate intensity, and this can counter the
wide scale changes in temperature and precipitation. What do we
(37:59):
mean by and moderate? The most popular pitch is a
dedicated fleet of airplanes flying six thousand flights per twenty
four hours, six thousand flights every day across across a
lot of the planet, and then they're spraying thirty eight
million metric tons of sulfur dioxide? Are similar particles just
(38:23):
out in the stratosphere just bom.
Speaker 2 (38:27):
It's literally that scene from the Matrix. No, not the Matrix, sorry,
the Animatrix History part one. I think it's literally that scene.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
I mean for the average government on its own, or
the average billion dollar corporation or Corporatis or techbro which
we'll get to. This is a pretty tall milkshake, right,
You've got to take a massive leap of trust. You
have to cooperate with everybody else on sensitive sticky stuff
like airspace rights, funding, political bill because the taxpayers are
(39:01):
going to be paying for most of this at some point.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
And the fallout of humanity. Right. Part of the reason
they want to do these tests is to see how
bad it's going to affect crop growth and how badly
it's going to affect you know, things that were dependent
on as living creatures on a rocky planet.
Speaker 3 (39:19):
And so further, the proponents argue SAI stratospheric aerosol injection
could have a pretty fast, noticeable effect. It could definitely
be cheaper than building a big old chonky sun blocking
disc or series of disk in orbit. If everything works out,
they say, we could mitigate or reverse any potential, potentially
(39:42):
deletarious side effects. So, like so many other drawing board concepts,
this sounds great in theory. It's four point thirty pm
on a Friday. You got to figure out something. But
the issue is, as we're teasing here a bit, it's
a situation where civilization does not know what happens until
(40:05):
we try it right, You don't know if the car
is going to run or explode until you start the ignition.
Got a FAFO, Got a fafo, And that's our app break.
So for anyone who like us, enjoys getting under the
(40:26):
hood of deep research of the actual academics beyond the
pop size stuff, please check out a great article from
Nature which was published in February of this year. I
think we'll all read some tea leaves in the title quote.
Injecting solid particles into the stratosphere could mitigate global warming,
(40:50):
but currently entails great uncertainties.
Speaker 4 (40:53):
Remember that one guy that said we should detonate a
nuke under the Earth and that that would get rid
of global war, and there was like science behind it,
but also it was just like this dude, like this
regular or the.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
Cyrelian, the Darien gap or what was it solved the
Panama Canal question bro really quickly.
Speaker 4 (41:13):
Speaking of the Darien Gap, the latest episode of Pluribus
involves that in such an amazing way, and I was
so glad that I was primed to enjoy it as
much as I did because of our conversations about the
lawless and dangerous territory that is the Darien Gap.
Speaker 3 (41:30):
Beautiful, I mean also currently entails great uncertainties. It's kind
of there in the title, right, oh yeah, big time,
like we were saying before the break. You know, you
go to folks like the experts at the Intergovernmental Panel
on Climate Change and they say, ah, right, this stuff.
(41:51):
We're talking about, this aerosol injection strategy. It could limit
war me by up to two point seven degrees fahrenheit,
which for the rest of the world is one point
five degrees celsius ballpark. It's not going to make things colder,
It's going to make the feedback loop slower. So if
(42:15):
we still if we still are in love with spewing
out various contaminants into the atmosphere, this is again, as
we said a ban daiy dough leader exactly.
Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, where we're in a vehicle, all of us and
industry has its has that pedal to the metal, and
we're just flying towards a precipice. And the answer is
take your foot off the gas, run on ahead. However
you're going to do that, and then just build more
road out on so we can keep going even though
there is no ground anymore.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
Pretty good, or just like roll down the windows because
someone farted in the car. So are we fixing the
fart or are we fixing the direct and the inevitability
of the disaster?
Speaker 2 (43:04):
Yes, and it's an infinitive art. It never stops. Like
you guys, there's stuff going on in the UK too.
Earlier this year and way back in twenty twenty two,
The Guardian was writing about attempts for the UK government
to create these exact same scenarios and this exact type
of research. And I've never heard of this thing called
(43:25):
ARIA before. Have you guys heard of this in the
UK government?
Speaker 4 (43:28):
ARIA just like a sub committee of some kind or
some sort of like initiative.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
It's it's their answer to DARPA, but it's like a
new version of it called the Advanced Research and Invention Agency.
And they're putting a ton of money in attempting to
start programs or at least seed money, seed money into
programs that are looking at this exact type of thing.
And it really is weird to me out Just look
(43:53):
into them a little bit, you'll see the strange stuff
that's happening in the UK and the US when it
comes to these experiments that appear to be last ditch
efforts to solve climate change without actually having to do anything.
Speaker 3 (44:08):
Without actually solving climate change, kind of to make climate
change okay, make climate change great again, right.
Speaker 2 (44:16):
Without having to change anything anybody's doing. And you can
head on over to the Advanced Research and Invention Agency's website,
which is ARA dot org dot uk and look up
exploring options for actively cooling the Earth. This is a
pretty huge believe. It comes in a PDF format once
you actually get there, and I guess I can read
(44:37):
some of it here just so we all understand. This
document presents the core thesis underpinning a program that has
now launched. It is a program that has now launched.
An ARIA program seeks to unlock a scientific or technical
capability that one changes the perception of what's possible or valuable,
two has the potential to catalyze massive social and economic returns,
(44:59):
and three is unlikely to be achieved without aria's intervention.
And this particular intervention is called future Proofing our Climate
and Weather and it was originally published back in twenty
twenty four in May, and you can look all you
can look at this whole thing, the reasoning behind this
concept of why they need to take this action, why
(45:21):
they need to do the stratospheric aerosol injection thing. And
it's super creepy.
Speaker 3 (45:27):
And this also tells us that multiple world governments are
researching not just SAI, but other types of weather modification
or SRN. If SAI sounds like too much of a gamble, Oh, fellow,
britz Fellow, conspiracy realist, friends and neighbors, hang on to
(45:48):
your Oregon cloud busters. There's plenty of other stuff beneath
this umbrella. We're talking about stuff like Marine cloud Brightening
MCB would be this street name. This is the maritime
answer to the SIA thing. This is the idea that
instead of getting a bunch of planes to do six
(46:10):
thousand flights per day, you could get something north of
fifteen hundred customized ships and they would go around the
planet's oceans and they would pump twelve thousand gallons of
seawater per second into the air. This would make marine
clouds reflect more sunlight. It is doable. That's a pro.
(46:35):
It also has the added advantage of occurring away from
a lot of human population at the beginning. Yeah, people
love a nimbi, you know what I mean. People love
nimbi and cumulo. We got to do it to them.
Speaker 2 (46:52):
Well, because that's what that's the point you're making there, right, Ben,
that you're going to create clouds, and those clouds will
be affected by the power utters that occur across the globe.
Right as those clouds continue along their merry way, they
are going to end up somewhere and they are going
to be filled with water and.
Speaker 4 (47:10):
To deal, right, you can talk about your kids learning
about the weather. That's what you learn about at that
stage is the different types of clouds and what separates them.
And if I'm not mistaken, a lot of it has
to do with just like how much moisture they're holding.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
Yes, what altitude, what the temperature is, what moisture they're holding,
what the pressure system is like, and one that they're encountering. Right,
So it's all of that stuff. It's just a really
good point, Ben, Anything that you do here is not
just going to affect one area, right if you're shooting clouds.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Yeah, I mean, this is the thing, right we're talking
about it at the very top that we've talked about
for years. You know, we've been quoting experts when we
talk about it, the system is huge. Earth is a
super organism. So just like just like hitting yourself with
some substance in your ribcage is going to affect the
(48:06):
rest of your body, it is also hitting a specific
part of Earth's weather system is going to affect the
rest of it. And this leads us to another This
is an umbrella inside the umbrella of weather modification. So
we're going a couple layers deep or incepting into some
matroshka dulls of how you say it, Noll around and
(48:28):
find out, thank you for the beep, Dylan, we Faffo
thinks that's probably more correct. We have another toolkit called
surface albedo modification or SAM, not to be confused with
everybody's favorite uncle Sam is. SAM is saying, let's take
a bunch of little stuff. Let's try some little things,
(48:49):
and those little things can together compound. Yeah, the interest
the mitigation compounds stuff like, Hey, nobody's hanging out in
the Arctic. Let's get a bunch of hollow glass microspheres
to reflect sudlight, and everybody, everybody in your city or town,
(49:13):
paint all the roofs white.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
It's not funny.
Speaker 4 (49:18):
It is funny. But also, if I'm not mistaken, guys,
here in Atlanta, there's been talk of an initiative to
install lighter colored roofs.
Speaker 3 (49:26):
But it's great.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
It's one of those pine and the Sky kind of
things because it's such a hard thing to enact all
at once. So it does I'm sorry I keep using
that expression, but just it's a nice idea. But to
actually get that collective involvement requires so many things like
tax incentives and various things to encourage people to actually
do it, to you know, encourage compliance.
Speaker 3 (49:46):
But it doesn't help. Oh my gosh, there I'm picturing
it now. Guys. There's a smoky back room at a
Sherwin Williams, right, and they've got there, they've got their
illegal Cuban cigars, and they're saying, hey, uh so, how
much paint do you need?
Speaker 4 (50:03):
So it's like a chair company.
Speaker 3 (50:05):
Yeah, just so.
Speaker 2 (50:06):
But okay, let's say we paint the entire surface of
the earth white. That doesn't solve any problem, right, because
with the nature of the greenhouse gases is that as
that radiation comes in and heats the surface, hits the surface,
it bounces back and it literally gets trapped inside the
atmosphere dome. That's why the stratospheric aerosol injection thing happening
(50:27):
above that layer of the atmosphere where this is occurring
is theoretically a good idea. But otherwise, if we do
a lot of these things the SAMs, we're still going
to be trapped inside this atmosphere that continues to heat.
Speaker 3 (50:40):
Up and data layers. Yeah. Another sam idea that we
should include is the concept. This is a shout out
for all or gmopals in the audience tonight. What if
we seriously someone said this, what if we genetically modify
crops to have a lighter color, which is definitely not
(51:02):
fixing the problem? You know what I mean?
Speaker 4 (51:05):
Man, I wish you could think, oh wait we can
that's the police.
Speaker 2 (51:09):
Yeah, so I'm saying, I think if you paint it
all white, it doesn't do anything.
Speaker 4 (51:13):
Well, then what am I thinking about? Because there is
think about a local maybe a local effect or even
just maybe it.
Speaker 3 (51:19):
Was mitigate warming in cities. Yes, precisely, they are a
city more livable. Right and again to this point that
we we hit earlier civilization cannot prove the efficacy of
these attempts until they drive the car around the block
(51:40):
and we've got to save our favorite for last. Ooh,
if you love a comic book, Ooh, if you love
a Bond super villain. Ooh, if you love sunglasses on
a hot day. Why don't we just make space mirrors?
Why don't we just make sunshades for space, you know,
launch a bunch of big mirrors to directly reflect back
(52:02):
solar radiation and light and all that. Or why don't
we make an army very small like drowne swarm starlink
esque mirrors and or lenses or metallic disc and we
just put them between the Sun and planet Earth. We
build a shield to partially cover the world. If we're
(52:23):
stuck on a beach, Why don't we build an umbrella
for everyone?
Speaker 2 (52:27):
It's not a bad idea. How do you keep it
in the right place? It had to be in orbit,
I suppose, Or yeah, wow, that is that. It would
be a marvel.
Speaker 3 (52:38):
It's also a little expensive. It's like when the It's
like if we were at the Save the World restaurant
and the server came up to us and gave us
our choices, our entrees options for saving the world. This
one is quote unquote market price, Like, we have no
idea how expensive it might be.
Speaker 2 (53:00):
Ooh, but it could be one step towards a dison
grid or a dice in sphere, something like that.
Speaker 3 (53:06):
Whout out to Buck Munster as well.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, you could probably gather a whole lot of energy
if you did something like that, and it was more
of a mesh, you know, than a full mirror or something.
So you're not gonna stop all the light from hitting Earth,
but you are going to reduce it by some you know, percentage.
Speaker 3 (53:23):
Or something possibly harvested.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
Yeah, oh, definitely, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (53:27):
I mean the second so first issue, big expense, second issue.
Near Earth orbit is currently littered with debris, so much
so that it has recently stranded astronauts in space. We
are again the trashy house in the neighborhood, you know
what I mean. Like, there's a lot of stuff going
(53:48):
on up there. So we'd have to not only position
I think a swarm of small small mirrors, lenses or
disc is probably smarter than a couple of big ones,
you know, egg and one basket, et cetera. We have
to be able to ensure that those things would stay
between Earth and the Sun and also not get the
(54:12):
Christ smacked out of them by all the trash humans
put up in space earlier. It's it's rough, but I
get it. Tell you guys, it's also a new boom industry.
Remember Elon Musk from earlier.
Speaker 4 (54:27):
Yes, oh, how could we forget? He sort of insists
upon himself a little bit.
Speaker 3 (54:30):
Yeah, he's like the Godfather. He's like a film review
of the Godfather. Yeah. The idea is that I know
we've all read up on this. Elon Musk has signaled
aspirations to leverage starlink, not just for AI but also
for solar engineering.
Speaker 2 (54:50):
It's already kind of doing it right. It's blocking like
Bubble and a bunch of other telescopes because of all.
Speaker 4 (54:56):
His satellites out there that are that are responsible for
trying admitting the starlink signals.
Speaker 2 (55:01):
Right, Well, well there, what the heck was? It was
something recently in the news about telescopes are having a
really hard time not having just a crap tone of
these starlink satellites in all of their imagery.
Speaker 4 (55:13):
There's a lot of trash in space, Like that's the
barrier to entry for space is just money. You know,
if you can get your stuff out there. There's nothing
really preventing you from blocking the hubble.
Speaker 3 (55:22):
Money has a gravity all its own, you know what
I mean. You can't just drive up to the hubble
and then say, nah, move that thing a little bit
to the left. You know, I got to see this,
This horseshoe, nebula, this leather jacket is turning me into
a jersey person. The jacket, the jackets, right, But this,
(55:45):
I mean, it is not that crazy, right, aside from
any human controversy, if you just look at the technology
of starlink, a satellite network plane utility in the near
Earth orbit field is frankly more plausible than getting to Mars.
(56:05):
And I hope that's not a hot take, but it
is true.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
No, it's not a hot take. And it's also more palatable,
probably than blotting out the Sun with a bunch of
clouds that you can't control once they're up there. Right, Like,
have you got satellites in orbit, Maybe there's something you
could do if they're covering too much of the Sun's
light or something, right, maybe you could make alterations to
them and then say, hey, we actually need to decrease
the amount we're blocking now. But the clouds are like,
(56:31):
oh weoop swell, we got Oh geez, we got a
long time before those clouds dissipate, So I guess we're screwed.
Speaker 3 (56:40):
And the issue is that with this, for any folks
that are leaning into or interested in conspiratorial speculation, the
issue is that these things will be visible to you,
most of them, if they occur. Right. We've got some
great nonprofits who continually monitors satellite activity. We may not
(57:05):
know what the satellite is doing, but we do know
where it is, and we can usually predict where it
goes unless somebody pooning up a little bit extra for
some thrusters. We also know that cloud formation cloud seeding
is easily observable, and these are everything we named, even
(57:26):
the crazy stuff like building sunshades in orbit. It is
technically doable with current technology, but there are theoretical consequences
that no one is super agreed upon. There's not a
scientific consensus on what will definitely one hundred percent happen.
(57:47):
That's why critics are warning these actions result in droughts, floods,
unseasonable hurricanes and monsoons. And the issue is that once
you start automating this stuff, once you get past a
certain threshold. Just like The Sorcerers Apprentice and Fantasia, you
might not be able to dial back the consequences. You
(58:10):
may not be able to truly reverse those effects. Oh,
the planet's colder, but hypothetically it's way colder that we
want it to be. And the crops won't grow because
they're still the crops are old school, they're still on
this sunlight thing. We've accidentally recreated year five thirty six
(58:32):
CE worse your ever.
Speaker 2 (58:34):
That's right so far. Yeah, and the experts are weighing in.
They have been since twenty twenty two. You can head
on over to Solar Geoengineering's website. There's an open letter
you can read there. It's solargeng dot org. And in
this letter you've got just a ton of signatories on
(58:55):
there who are scientists who are really nervous about what
the world might do through private industry. Right with like
the test we talked about that was unknown it was
going to happen in San Francisco until it got shut down.
They're worried about private industry going in and just kind
of cowboying the whole thing for us, right, it's for us.
It's also a giant venture to make money.
Speaker 3 (59:18):
Well.
Speaker 2 (59:18):
This open letter says that they and everyone who signed
their open letter share three fundamental concerns, which does outline
them really fast. First, the risks of solar geoengineering are
poorly understood and can never be fully known until we're
in the midst of it, essentially, is what they're saying. Second,
speculative hopes about the future availability of solar geoengineering technologies
(59:41):
threaten commitments to mitigation and can disincentivize governments, businesses, and
societies to do their utmost to achieve decarbonization or carbon
neutrality as soon as possible. And third, the current global
governance system is unfit to develop and implement the far
reaching agreements needed to maintain fare in inclusive and effective
political control over solar geoengineering and deployment, which just they're saying,
(01:00:07):
once this thing gets started, there's no way to stop it.
We don't know what's going to happen, and we have
no control mechanisms over either who's doing it or how
it's being deployed.
Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Right, which is, you know, essentially what we've been seeing
all along in this episode, And so the question becomes
always is perfect the enemy of good. Can you create
more problems by attempting to solve an immediate problem or
a long term problem. Everybody agrees on this. Something must
(01:00:38):
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What exactly has to happen? The clock is talking. Humanity
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Betrayal Weekly is back for a brand new season. Every Thursday, Betrayal Weekly shares first-hand accounts of broken trust, shocking deceptions, and the trail of destruction they leave behind. Hosted by Andrea Gunning, this weekly ongoing series digs into real-life stories of betrayal and the aftermath. From stories of double lives to dark discoveries, these are cautionary tales and accounts of resilience against all odds. From the producers of the critically acclaimed Betrayal series, Betrayal Weekly drops new episodes every Thursday. Please join our Substack for additional exclusive content, curated book recommendations and community discussions. Sign up FREE by clicking this link Beyond Betrayal Substack. Join our community dedicated to truth, resilience and healing. Your voice matters! Be a part of our Betrayal journey on Substack. And make sure to check out Seasons 1-4 of Betrayal, along with Betrayal Weekly Season 1.