October 29, 2025 • 49 mins
Ben, Matt, Noel and Super Producer Dylan present one of the strangest episodes in the history of Stuff They Don't Want You To Know: the long-awaited exploration of the Bermuda Triangle -- live, from the actual Bermuda Triangle. (Ben here: I have no idea how we got away with this one. We worked hard on it; we also solve the mystery. Make sure to tune in later this week for our live Q&A, and thank you for supporting this bonkers show.)
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They call me Bed.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the
Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.
That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is a this is a cool one for us.
You guys.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We were lucky enough not just to perform live in
international waters, but to also record our long awaited exploration
of the Bermuda Triangle. And we just want in touch base,
let you know what you're getting into before where you
hear the tape.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't know how Virgin Voyage was okay with this.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
You know, we're not really the fear bombering type, but
there is something to be said about exploring disappearances, famous
disappearances of seafaring vessels and air craft all around this
particular geographical region that we were in fact sailing through.
Speaker 7 (01:23):
Yes, and to put your mind in the space where
we are as listeners of this episode. You go into
a large place called the Red Room, which is already intriguing.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Right, not related to Black Widow, No, Twin Peaks, that's
the Red Lodge, but similar.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
No, the Red Room is the thing with the curtains
and carry on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yes, it's a phenomenal venue. It's huge, and we have
these ginormous that's technical term screens behind us with some
excellent video work by none other than our own mister
Matt Frederick. We've got a lively crowd of like five
hundred something people who could have done any number of
(02:05):
other things, right because we're right next to a casino
as we're recording.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yep, I canna talk about that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I think Ben's alterigo did a little better than there
than I did, But you know what, it's all for fun.
It's all for funzies. And shout out to the crew
there at the Red Room, Victor Legend one percent. Just
I think this is the highest production one of the
highest production value type of live shows that we've ever
gotten to do. And Matt Hughes, shout out to you
for prepping those incredible moving backdrop images as well as
(02:33):
cutting what you have done in the past on Bermuda Triangle,
an old YouTube episode from the early stuff they don't
want you to know days that really held up other
than I think you mispronounced the word bimini bimini.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We talked about of backstage.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, I mispronounced the word and I called it bemani
in my original research.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Absolutely, hilariously honest mistake.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
It was just funny because we've been saying it a
bunch and we almost didn't notice it until we heard
it and they were like.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Oh, that's not how we've been saying.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It, right, Do check that out.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Do forgive my mispronunciation there as well intentioned, but we
do pronounce bimini, bimini bimini correctly in our live shows.
So where this is going to pick up, folks, is
going to be right after our original YouTube video and
the Bermuda Triangle plays and we walk out into the
breach and we immediately start yelling about the Bermuda Triangle
(03:27):
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powers and government conspiracies. History is riddled with unexplained defense.
You can turn back now or learning the stuff they
don't want you to know. Oh my god, you guys.
Speaker 7 (03:54):
Hello, Hello, there's too many of you in here.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We have a problem.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I guess now we have to do a good job.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I guess we'll do our level best.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
So we are Ben, Matt and Noel stuff they don't
want you to know. And before we get started, we
thought we would play a little bit of a game.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, so we're gonna point this way right. If you're
on this.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Side when we point to you, we want you to
all yell out triangle.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, so let's try it. That's good.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Okay, send no nuts, that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And if you're on this side.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Can you guess we're gonna yell for mute? Okay on cue?
Speaker 9 (04:46):
Yeah, sorry, we'll workshop that.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I get why people like sports. That's fun fun, right.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Was anybody at the summoning ritual that we all performed
last night on the top of the ship during the thunderstorm.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
All dressed in red gigantic octopus? Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
The password was Fidelia's totally cool.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Totally cool.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We want to be honest with you for for two
thirds of us from Nola myself, this is not only
our first virgin voyage, this is our first cruise ever.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, I kind of get the appeal.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
I kind of get like it wasn't maybe something that
I would have done on my own.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
But now I think I'm cruise coded.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh yeah, it's a cruise pilled.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's the term.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's a problem.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I'm already budgeting out for the next three years. Yeah,
to spend at seat. So give us, give us a woo.
If this is also your first virgin cruise.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Wow, that's a lot of the woo's habit.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Whose habits is just in Uh so, Uh, there's one
more shout out we wanted to give. We've had such
a great time Matt Noll and myself hanging out meeting
some people. I said, I know, I see a couple
faces in the crowd who watched me drunkenly lose at blackjack.
We're all still friends. Uh, but we learned, you guys
that a lot of people are here because they had
(06:22):
a birthday.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Okay this week.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So if you had a birthday this week or you
have one coming up right, Wow, if you had a
birthday today, let's hear a whoo.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Yeah, all right for sure for the way, and happy birthday, brother, Yes,
so on the counter of three, we're all going to
wish each other a happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, one, two, three.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Happy birthday to all of us, even those whose birthday
is it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Is not happy birthday at some point.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yeah, well, speaking of time, that video guys just watched,
that's from like twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We made that.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
We didn't know how to pronounce the word bimini.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We had just read bunch. Okay, this was before my time.
They made a ton of those videos.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So and now we have united here, not just the
three of us, not just our super producer Dylan the
Tennessee Palfega.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, we forgive you for being handsomer than the three
of us.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Okay, I can not forget you for that him that, and.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We're also we considered you part of our show. You're
a fellow conspiracy realists.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You have given us your time. We're going to share
it together.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And when we first started talking about this idea, guys,
we looked around and we said, wait, have we never
done an episode on the Buda Triangle?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeahs fars the background.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
The show started off as a video only YouTube series
back when when was that like in two thousand nine,
when it was still called like what iTunes video or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, that's what it was. We were number one on
itubes video. I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So we've been at it for a while, but then
it became an audio podcast. We've been doing that for
a low decade plus somehow. Only that video is the
only time we've ever talked about Bermuni trying.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, crazy, and we we've explored so much stuff, but
like the rest of humanity, and this is true, we've
got a lot more exploration to.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do in the ocean.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We talked about this fact all the time. You guys
probably know it, but human civilization right now knows more
about the moon than they do about the bottom of
the ocean.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Except for James Cameron, who knows.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, he's put in the times. Thank you James, there's James.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Congrats on Avatar thirteen.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do we want to talk about some of the experiences.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Okay, so, just as a fairly new cruiser, what it
was the term one who cruises.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Sor sailor.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Preferred nomenclature of virgin cruises.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
As we drink, I imagine that all of us now
have had that experience when we go out on the
top deck and you're just standing there and you're just
looking out at what our eyes can only understand as
infinite water, infinite sky, some clouds, maybe one boat, but
mostly just the best thing our mind could come up with.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Infinity.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right, Well, it's like when we were doing it together.
I think I pointed out there, like I get why
back in the day people thought the.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
World was just going to end at some point. Yes,
it tracks like the phenomenon of experiencing it.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
I can totally feel that absolutely, And then we have
to imagine it's not just out and up, it's also down.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It goes super deep. We don't know much about it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We do know that we're all here together live in
the actual Bermia Triangle we did, Jimmy, don't get mad.
We didn't know whether we would be able to do
this show, but we've been fascinated by this. We thought
this is the best place to explore this.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So one of our first questions is what do we
think about when we think about the Bermuda Triangle? Right,
miss mystery, I mean triangles.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Shapes mainly shape, yeah, crashes, that stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Extraterrestrials, aliens, ghosts, aliens, sea monsters, aliens.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
That one episode of Scooby Doo from nineteen seventy eight.
It was called a creepy tangle in the Bermuda triangle.
Then we're skeleton people involved. Yeah, that's really your main
source about learning about this topic. And no attention to
Scooby do Scooby Doooby doo, where are you triangle?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's you Ferm.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think about what was.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
That Philadelphia experiment? Or there was something we did an
episode on a long time ago, adults.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
For dimensional travel creating cream cheese. Yes, so we maybe
we're getting carried away. We know this. We talked to
a lot a lot of our fellow sailors, and everybody
has an idea, has a theory, as we'll lure tonight.
We actually went and spoke with the captains themselves, the
captain and the deputy captain.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Let's give it up for them.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Whoa, they're not there fearing the ship and stuff. So
somebody steering right, somebody is there, auto.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Let's move Okay, Yeah we did.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We did check to see if we could curse a
little bit in this show, so I'll break the seal here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Those guys are so fun. So they're like firefighters also doctors.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
They wear absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I love seeing around and that air of like a
little dangerous. You know, it's just a little dangerous. They
got good hands.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh yeah, we're talking to it and obviously they're taller
than me, both of them.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And they're like, yeah, okay, good, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So we also think we've heard about time travel theories.
We've also heard about crime.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
The True anybody got in any of the other live
podcast events?
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah, this this, this episode is gonna be a little
less murdery, So consider it a bit of a pali.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But we love our fellow podcast Oh the Trail and
Buried Bones. Shout out to all of those amazing folks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I'm just gonna out with myself. I've kind of embarrassed
myself a couple of times. I've been walking around to
some of you and just going, do you guys really
understand who Paul Holes is?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Like this?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He's a lot of a big deal.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Hang on a sec, let's take a quick pause here,
step away from this live show. Here are worth more
sponsor and then we'll be right back from the red room.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And we're back.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So we do a bunch of shows.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
This is one of our favorite shows because now we
get to talk about true crime, we get to talk
about mystery and allegations and paranormal This is kind of
like true extraterrestrial Prime or maybe extra true terrestrial crime.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It's not terrestrial, it's on the scene.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Okay, it's the planet.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So the pitch for the Bermuda triangle, it's something that
we have been obsessed with ever since we were wee
young tights and just date us a little bit here
before podcasts.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're a thing.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
We're talking like those time life books.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Encyclopedia Britannica, but on a bookshelf.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Our coffee table.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, So the pitches that multiple ships and planes over
decades or over centuries have gone missing, no wreckage, no survivors,
no explanation.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Of a poof situation, yeah, or pop situation a po.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
The Sargasso Sea hungers, they sing, right, and every so
often it consumes the unweary vessel. So that's the pitch,
right for true believers. Uh, it appears there are numerous
examples to back up this legend.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Maybe we talked about a few of the most famous,
which we saw in our our video right the.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Video before the video, the video before the video there was.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
That was so the first amazing video that Mapp put together.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
This is all Matt Frederick. By the way, let's give
the hand.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, tell us tell us a bit about tell us
a bit about that footage they found.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, the first one was that a little bit creepy.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Hopefully it was like just mildly unsettling. I would I
would call it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's just just old archival footage.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
If anybody doesn't go to archi dot org and go
to things like the Prailinger Archives and other things that
just go way back into the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties,
you can find a credible film footage and you know,
most of it is now out of copyright.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So if you're making a cool project, check.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It out, dude, check it out.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
But then the other one was from the video and
one of the things at the very front of the
stuff they don't want you to know, Bermuda Triangle video.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
There's a clip there and that is from a.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Recreation of this thing, the flight nineteen incident is what
we'll call it, where those five planes went missing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Just and it was a little the acting was great, right,
It was a translation.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
It was it was you know, actually they made some
choices do it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's true, there was an aesthetic they were.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So should we start with this incident, let's do let's
do this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So here's the gist. Here's this setup. We're traveling back together. Right,
It's just after the end of World War Two. The
world is in share. Things are chaotic, pretty much. Everybody
is having a bad day, right, and in this near
you it's December fifth, nineteen forty five, and people still
(16:12):
have to do their jobs.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right. So Flight nineteen is.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
A group of what we call torpedo bombers. There are
five of them in this flight group, and they're leaving
the Naval Air Station in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Shout out to everybody from Fort Lauderdale. Okay, wait to
hear the rest of the story.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So they they're leaving, and it's a typical training flight.
They've got one guy named Lieutenant Charles Taylor. He has
all his bona fides, he's seasoned, he's a.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Veteran, he knows how navigation works. Here's the thing. And
the rest of his crew remember this, they're learning how
to use Yeah, they're the interns of the.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Sky point, and so.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
As they're going on, they're just trying to figure out
how do we how do we know we're leaving Point A,
we're going to Point Z. How do we do that
without things going sideways? And everything seems great until about
three forty five PM, where we'd like to give you
a little bit of a dramatic retelling of the true
(17:24):
radio transmissions.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Let's see who wants to be Taylor.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I'll be Taylor.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Sure, all right, nice, We've got Noel Brown playing Taylor.
Noel's amazing. Yeah, so let's give a hand for Nolan.
Speaker 10 (17:37):
Thank you very much, Take you very much. Okay, Taylor
cannot see land. We seem to be of course, what's
your position?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
We cannot be sure where we are. I'm panicked at
this point it says, so right here, that's a repeat.
I cannot see land.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Now those are Lieutenantsaylor's last recorded words at the end
of the story.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
The tower is freaking out right ten.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Minutes past ten long right in minutes and then a
new voice chimes in. Taylor has disappeared, and this new
voice is even more panic and theyre say, matth you
want to do this one?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Uh sure, we can't find west. Everything is wrong. We
can't be sure of any direction. Everything looks strange.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Even the ocean. Wow, that's a lot, dude.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
But here's the craziest part. You ready, Yes, we can't
tell where we are. Everything is I can't make out anything.
I think we may be about two hundred and twenty
five miles northeast of base it.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It looks like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We're entering white water.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're entering white water. We're completely lost.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
That's it. Yeah, that's all your guarantee. That's it, right, guarante.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Can I tell you what I imagined? Just quickly?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Let me hang entering, let me hang out.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
We are entering white water. I'm just imagining, imagining the
visual of seeing whitewater in front of a plane.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
So in my mind, that's either, oh, you're angled down
and you don't realize it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's not great. But the other thing, it's kind of
whack of doing. It's out there. But I imagine stuff
from the Marvel Universe, guys portals.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I imagine it was only a matter of time before
we got multiverse.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I know, it's silly, it's very silly. It's probably is
not anything to do with the truth of the matter.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
But when you see some mysterious story like this and
you hear the last words of somebody who truly did disappear,
I like to allow my mind to go to that place.
We like to allow our minds to go to that
kind of place, not to truly think, hey, that's probably real,
but more as though, what if it was that, would
anything else match up?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And if that is true, then what else does that
lead us to? Right?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Because if we know portals, I'm sure we know portals.
I'm not alienating anybody. There's always one of the on portal, right,
because the portal go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, all right, what's up next? Airline food? Anyway. We
have tons of these examples.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
There are things that people will say, you're clear examples
proof that there's something spooky in the Bermuda Triangle. There's
the story of the Ellen Austin in eighteen eighty one,
the USS Cyclops. We've also got We've also got that
cool boat name Witchcraft, the luxury cruiser. And in all
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of these cases which you can find in all sorts
of Bermuda Triangle lore, the skeptics and the true believers
both agree that those cases we just named have no
proven hauns.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
We don't know why they disappeared, we don't know where
they went.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But as we also learned, there are a couple of
cases where the answer is there, but people don't really
want to look into it because it messes.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
With the story.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, it's a bit of a case of confirmation bias,
where that enough things come out, people start to sort
of build a lore around it, and then before you
know it, the Bermuda Triangle is this cursed you know,
portal to Hell or something, yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Which is awesome, Yeah, yeah, ejectively just conceptually exist, or.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
A portal to Reno, which is kind.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Of Should we talk about the witchcraft? Yeah, we can
talking about real pe And I just think it's a
badass name.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Luxury IM saying, yeah, it's nineteen sixty seven, it's December
twenty second, right before Christmas, and there's a real estate
developer named Daniel Burak, and Daniel's been doing really well.
He owns a he owns a yacht, yes, he gives
a sick name, and he takes his friend out with
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him at night to see the Miami skyline. Right, it's
pretty cool, just a fun cinematic detail. His buddy is
a Catholic priest named Father Horgan. They only go about
a mile out.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
From shore the witchcraft becomes disabled. What happens next?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, I don't even know, dude.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
They put out a distress call and they're asking for
somebody to come out and help them, right, and they said, hey,
this isn't a big deal. It's not some kind of emergency.
It would be really cool to get some kind of
rowboat something out to us so we can get out
of this boat that's disabled.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's it pretty simple.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Oh and nineteen minutes later support does show up. The
thing is, the witchcraft isn't there, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, and this is sixty.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Seven, so it's modern enough that they have they have
some technology that will allow them to scout more effectively
than someone in the.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Eighteen hundreds, right, yes, but nothing managed a poof and.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
A pop, a bit of a poof and pop. Okay,
go ahead please.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Well it's pretty simple, like if you think about that rationally, right,
somebody gets a distressed call from a ship, then they
come out to help and the ship's not there.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Okay, something happened that ship sank and that's it. End
of story.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You're gonna have missing people now, and you're gonna have
a missing ship. But if you're you know, rationally thinking Okay,
that ship's sink. The great thing about this topic and
think about in this way.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Is what if it didn't man?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What if that ship got zapped out of time or
grabbed by a kraken.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Or by extraterrestrials, you know what I mean? What if
they got a non consensual beam me up Scotty.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Situation like the whole ship just ends up in the
cargo bay.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yes, well, I think the thing that's also important to
think about in these cases is how we pointed out
earlier how vast all of this is, and how little
we know about what's down there, and how objectively difficult
it could potentially be to find one of these things,
even if it sunk in a place where you kind
of thought.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
You knew where it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, needle in a haystack times a million. And get
this books.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Depending on who you read and who you talk to,
these stories that we gave you are fairly recent the
past few centuries. You'll find plenty of authors say it
goes much further back. A ton of the books will
will tell you that serious events in the area predate
the name Bermuda Triangle, maybe the name Bermuda. And they'll
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say that even like, way before European ships reached this
part of the world, all the locals knew there was
something strange afoot or afloat.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, sure, Okay, they're in the sea, so for thousands
of years.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Then the pitch is this part of the ocean is
like a haunted house, right, spooky stuff. And even now
in twenty twenty five, you'll hear people saying, well, I'm
a skeptical person. I'm a modern person, but is there
something to this? Maybe there's something to it. So that's
our question, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How many people here think there might be something strange
going on in this part of the ocean. Yeah, so
much better about my alien ideas?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, I think we would.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would also I would accept sea monsters, Okay, I
would accept sea.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Monsters as.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Horrors.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, and you know, if it's ancient sea monsters, I say,
that's what we get for eating all that octopus.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Probably sure, and come up, it's a real come up
and watch my octopus, teacher, and you'll never want to
eat another.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Squeen again I saw one of those things we just
learned about in the press.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Spoken word. But so that's seriously our question. He's there
an answer, bat in the hatchets, something with the mask,
something with sales.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We're pausing for word from our sponsors, and then we'll
be back on the high seats.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And we've returned years where it gets crazy every time.
I love it. We think we've solved the mystery.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean not we, We think civilization has solved, not
just us in Dylan, and thanks again, Dylan. So hopefully
we haven't spooked anybody out too much. Hopefully we're all
still having a good time, especially because we really want
to come back and.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Hang out with you more often.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If that's okay, If you feel a little squirrely about
the possibility of us all suddenly disappearing, we have some
good news. We've looked into everything about the mysteries, all
the reported incidents and cases, and a lot of the
toll tales. They're really juicy ones. They're great stories, but
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they're just that their stories, and they're awesome, and they're awesome,
and some of them have aliens, which I'm also I'm
very excited. So all right, this is where this is
where maybe we we do we do a little bit
of another game. So we're gonna ask you a question,
and we want you it's multiple choice, no pressure, and
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so we want you to give a shout out when
you think you've got the right answers. So the size,
the number of the numbers, that's what we're running through. Okay,
So the actual size of the Bermuda triangle. Let's let's
kick it. Let's give some options. Okay, so I will
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run through the first.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
There are three choices.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
We're gonna do those first, and then we'll start cheering
for the one we think it's correct.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's right, is it? A twenty thousand to one hundred
thousand square miles?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Got no takers there?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Okay, we've got B two hundred thousand to two hundred
and fifty thousand square miles.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
We should run through all of them.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, yes, we're not cheering yet.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yes, think about it was me.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So we got C five hundred thousand to one million,
five hundred thousand square miles.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Okay, so those are choices. I'll do it one more time.
So cheer for which you think is correct.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
A twenty thousand to one hundred thousand, Okay, okay, I
like it. I like the energy B two hundred thousand
to two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Okay, all right, okay, okay, all right, high bar here.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
So for the c folks, five hundred thousand to one million,
five hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Square minles h.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
All right, if you guess, see get it, becauerte the congratulations.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You are correct, A huge part of the ocean's wild.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I wouldn't have gotten that, right, I can't even I
probably can't count to a million.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Now. So this is this is, this is the idea
that we're in.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
A specific region of the world, a tiny triangle bounded
by Florida, Bermuda and of course Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So whenever something bad happens in that.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Area or something mysterious, even the most skeptical of us
will stragan say, know, yeah, you're muta.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Triangle when so expert oceanographers around the world know that
some hearts of the ocean are trickier to navigate than others.
But there genuinely doesn't seem to be a significantly higher
amount of mysterious events here comparatively, right, It just it's.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Got to remember that confirmation bias aspect.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
More people are creating these stories, building this lore and
this mythology, and it starts to just become this kind
of go to for people, kind of cooking up these stories.
And then this notion of it being more dangerous than
the rest of the massive, massive amounts of area that
the ocean encompasses are the ocean is just crazy that.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
We should have gotten with Virgin and found the number
of cruises they go through this area. If somebody knew
something about like on a euro two.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Hundred cruises, we can guess.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But this is also very It's a very big, very
busy part of the ocean, so we don't know how
many vessels and aircraft are passing through at any given time.
That's right, we don't know the totality. And basically, the
more boat, the more vessels and planes you have passing
through the area, the more opportunities there are for some
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shenanigans to occur.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
And that's everything from a mechanical error on a vessel
to pre coincident with a wave which we will talk
about in a little bit, or even a weather pattern.
We talked with Jamie backstage about there is one incident
on a ship one time where a tornado just went
right through the center of the thing, like and nobody
knew that was gonna happen because you can't predict that
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kind of weather and you do your absolute level best
to make sure everything's going to be fine and good
to go.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But just the weather is a separate power that we
have nothing to do with, you know.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
It's just I think what we're talking about is you
increase the number of people and ships and vessels planes
in an area, you're going to increase the number of
potential problems, right.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, potential non consensual adventures and its thousands of cruises
that pass through the every year.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And the answer if you were wondering if it is avoided,
it's just not.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's absolutely not. I mean, look at us, you guys
are we're here now, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So another fun fact that we learned while we're researching
this is all ships need insurance, right and if the
Bermuda Triangle is really this hive of scum.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
To he wordle to Rito or whatever, then we know
that that we know that there would be there would
be problems ensuring it, and no company would ensure these
ships if that were true, not even.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Lloyd's of London and they're the folks who ensured j
Lo's butt, you know what I mean, Like they'll go
for anything.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Gets another.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Another big factor, going back to what you were saying
there no, is that everyone loves a good story. So
the first story about the Bermuda Triangle, it's actually way
more recent. People think it comes from a newspaper in
nineteen fifty where this journalist in Arizona, of all places, was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Like, you know, Gibbs will he shoots lose planes right.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Land locked Arizona.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
He's an expert, and he's never been to the Bermuda Triangle.
And then the actual he didn't use the term.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
The actual phrase Bermuda Triangle doesn't come until nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
That's what it's I heard about this guy, Yeah, rating
for an argacy, I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And so along with a handful of other people, our
guy Vincent, we'll call him Big V because that's a
cool nickname.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So Big V is one of the main reasons.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
People talk about the Bermuda Triangle because people hear this
story and they love it, and more and more folks
learn about it and the great game of Telephone and
whispers begins, and so from the sixties, nineteen sixties to
the eighties to to the nineties, people every time they
hear about a tragic event, they we start.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Looking for an explanage. So that's what we do. We're humans.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
We want patterns, we want answers, and folks started making
up their own ideas.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You are super into aliens. You hear about this and
you go, oh, man, I was thinking about this earlier aliens.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Bro Well, I mean, you know or real let's say
government craft or experiments. We know about lots of testing
that occurs out in the desert on the continental United States.
There's also testing that's done in the waters the territory
of the United States. And I'm only pointing them out
because I'm from there, Okay, but you know, every government
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tests all kinds of things, and international waters would be
a place to test things where something may or may
or may not go wrong, which is just again, we
try and keep all potential possibilities there. That would be
way more rational than how much I wish it was aliens.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think we're all on the same page with that one, Okay,
we want to believe, right, And there's another thing with
I love that explanation. Because there's another thing with time
travel where somebody's already super into time travel and they
hear about a missing plane and they go, you know what,
I got it, time travel, time travels, time traffl.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And so we also see people who think about ancient
civilizations Atlantis, La Muria, right, the mini road we learned
how to pronounce it's true because we're going there, and
they say, maybe there's an ancient civilization involved. But the
hard truth is that no matter what explanation we prefer,
planes and ships have disappeared.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
And unpack that for me just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Then the idea of Atlantis returning and of that being
like one of the theories, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Which gets it. I mean it's mix and match. You know,
you're at the buffet of conspiratorial thought.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So you can take a little bit of Atlantis and say, oh,
Atlantis is coming back, take a scoop of time travel
that on, you know, just roll it onto the Portier
burrito bowl and really likes case of yeah, I'm going
through it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, Bimni Road really does look nuts, though.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It does look like it. Yeah, you guys have heard
about this, right, do.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
You know Bemini Road to anybody, Okay, good, well a
couple of us do.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
We're going right out there. I don't think we actually
get to go to that section of the North Island.
But it's incredible. It doesn't look real. It looks like
somebody built something down there in the seafloor right right
off of the North Island there.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah, it looks like carved stone, like a paved road
that just fell beneath the waves at some point.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
And it looks gigantic, yes, but it does.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
There does appear to be a standard explanation of just
weathering of those specific stones and the structure of those stones.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And nothing to see here basically, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, who are they?
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, we shouldn't have called the stone stuff. They don't
want you to know, all right, shout out today.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
We also know we also know that, you know, giving
people wanted explanations and couldn't find one until modern science
led to breakthroughs in the Bermuda Triangle mystery. And well
they were talking about a little bit earlier. One of
the biggest ones is surveillance. Is back in the day,
you know, we would all hop on our whaling vessel
or whatever, and we would be like, Margaret's my dea,
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I will see you in eight months, four years, help
you keep you all scheduled, Cleo.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Imagine though, imagine getting on a ship and doing what
we're doing right now, looking out and seeing what you see,
and knowing that there's a manifest somewhere. There's a piece
of paper somewhere on one side that says we're leaving
with this stuff, this many crew members, and we're heading
in this direction. And then there might be someone on
the other side at the destination with a similar piece
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of paper other than that good.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Luck, yeah, right, And so people would go missing.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
There wasn't radio, there weren't satellites, you know, you would
It also meant that if you were running late, people
would be way nicer to you than there would be
if you're running late today. They would just be happy
to making happy, you know what I mean. And so
that's we're keeping a positive That's one advantage. But the
thing is there were a lot of disadvantages. We had
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to hope the weather was kind, We had to hope
nothing went wrong privateers pirates, you know, just mechanical failures.
Sometimes things did go wrong, and if you're waiting for
the ship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You know, let's think about that. You're the family.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You're over in Nantucket or something, and you were waiting
for your loved one to come home and you don't
ever get a solid confirmation, right, Or you're at a
port in the Carolinas, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
And you know they were going through what we call
the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Now by the time someone decided we have to go
look for this missing ship, months could have happened.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, And the thinking, again, you just have to think
about this the relative side. As massive as this ship is,
like walking up to it or riding up to it,
it was just like kind of mind blowing. But compare
that to the absolute, utter, endless vastness that is the ocean,
you know, at large.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It really is a needle in that hates that kind
of situation.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, the odds are against us.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, and luckily the good news is we've got modern communication,
satellite technology. It's made everything much safer. It's also made
it a little more difficult to get away.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I get that. But here on the Valiant Lady.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Our amazing crew is in constant communication, you know what
I mean. They're talking to the sky and they're talking
to all the ports we go.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
To blasting horns and stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Heart attacks and we I think we all have maybe
contacted a loved one on the shore.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
That's amazing that we can do it.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
It's insane. Yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
So, like you were saying, there's a discrepancy of scale,
the ocean is a the volatile ecosystem. It's better to
think of it as its own big animal, right, And
that's when we get into being at the mercy of
atmospheric conditions. Because early ships, like when the brigotines and
all that stuff, we imagine they're much smaller than we
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would think, so the wrong kind of wave hits them
and it's skid.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
At are we talking about rogue waves?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
Then?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Why do we talk about rogue waves or freak waves,
which I think is more fun there it is.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Yeah, So if we're not familiar with that term, this
is the concept that there's a wave so large it
would be roughly thirty meters in the air. If you
just looked out and you saw a wave, what is
the equivalent of thirty meters? Lord, I'm gonna have to
do it right, now I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What it is in feet. It's a huge freaking wave.
It shouldn't be that tall.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
It's like a wall of water.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Yes, And these were tails that were told by people
that were sailing vessels all across this area in the
Bermuda Triangle, and it wasn't believed because at the time,
especially when they're being experienced, there's not really good camera
footage that you could actually confirm that there was a
you know, thirty meter wave that came across. It wasn't
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until nineteen ninety five when there was an oil rig
that actually did have some sensors on it, they were
able to test each each wave basically that comes up
against this oil platform, and there was a I think
it was twenty nine meters of a wave, way higher
than any wave could have been shown by the what
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do they call that, not the lateral model. There's a
specific model that they use to tell you the smallest
waves and the largest waves you're going to encounter, based
on wind speeds and currents and things like that.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And this was just way higher.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, and with no precedents, no like yeah, no heads up,
no spoiler alert, and scientists didn't even really believe in
these things until the past few decades. Was kind of
like ball lightning, which is another really really cool, Okay,
different episode.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I'm getting carried away, So I got.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
The measurements wrong really quickly. Yes, twenty five point six
meters was the one that was measured on that day
on that oil platform, and that is eighty four feet,
So an eighty four foot wave.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, and these extreme storm waves, that's another that's another
termual here, and that could be a plausible explanation for some,
but not all, of the events we talk about in
the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So we know that there is some science behind it, right,
and we know when we.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Bugged at the Captain. We talked to Captain Domir and
he gave us for me this is one of my
favorite lines. We heard we meet, we're meeting and hanging
out with him, and I said, Okay, I've got to
know we're doing this show right, We're hanging out with people.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 4 (41:54):
And Deputy Captain Narn, what do you guys think of
the Bermuda Triangle?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And this is a quote. It's a very very distinct voice.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
We're not going to do his voice, but he says,
I have been across the Bermuda triangle many many times,
and look at me.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I haven't disappeared. It was pretty good. Like he's got
he's got comedic tough though he's tough. He's tough.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
You know, he's got gravitas.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I've never disappeared.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
So we we want to give it up again one
more time for our captain, our deputy captain, and can
tell you.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And they're just the foolest guys. We're in excellent hands
here with them and the crew. So have we saw
this day?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I have a question.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Yeah, we've all seen, like the Navy coming out with
official videos of things that appear to be unidentified aerial
phenomena or unexplained.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Phenomena up in the sky sometimes in the oceans.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
Does anybody here believe that there's actually some kind of
be an extraterrestrial or inner terrestrial or whatever thing intelligence
that is on Earth right now? Does anybody believe that?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Really? Do you ever feel like we're being programmed to
believe that? Sorry, that's.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Oh boy, doesn't the middle of the night looking out
on the ocean thoughts, But it does seem like and
specifically vehicles that appear to be going into the ocean
from the air, that kind of trans medium object and
concept that has a hold on me, I think because
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it could it could explain some of the other phenomena
that we end up seeing and that our you know,
military's navies see out there in the oceans.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
I want to explore even more. And there's some people
right now working on documentaries. Oh our our buddy oh
I can't think of his name right now, who does
the UFO stuff?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Uh we corbel. Yeah, they're doing all kinds of really interesting.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Stuff attempting to get like official documents through Congress and
and actually have like testimony about true experiences and sightings.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And we just can't wait to see that play out.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Transmedia meaning that something could be under the water like
a submersible and then immediately violate what we know about
physics and technology and just and just yeat itself into
the atmosphere, itself down.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And again yeat is the technical term.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
So we like what we we're seeing here is we're
also we're not giving up on the space bubbles, right,
space time bubbles?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, we're not giving up on the aliens.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
Can we just add one we talked a little bit
about probability and just about how maybe this is this
confirmation biased to play right where.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
But there's this Australian scientist named Carl Let's.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
See Crucial, Crucial Nikki who has for years been preaching
this gospel, this idea of this is there's nothing special
about this region.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
It is just a numbers game overall.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And Noah, the what is it the atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Anyway, they did for sure it's authority. Yeah, and they
they believe the same thing.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, they for years have been saying this is
just a numbers game, and it is just this idea
of the stories we tell ourselves, the way that lore
can kind of perpetuate itself over time.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
So not to be a buzz killed, but I.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Think it's certainly possible that we might get beamed up
while we're on this delightful voyage.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
But chances are pretty well.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
And I love that point in making too, because it
tells us about the power of story, right. The story
and the lore of the Bermuda Triangle is really a
story about the people who are finding and discovering.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Those and the friends we made along the way.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
The stories we tell ourselves, the.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Friends we made at Scarlett Knight. Yeah, all the ship
when we summoned that remember you were.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
There there the friends we made when we took some excursion.
Shout out to UGO, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
And we also we also known that science as officially
to their mindsult the Bermuda Triangle. But have we And
that's where that's where we wanted to pause because folks,
as you could probably tell, we've been doing this show
for a long time and we have so much more
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Speaker 2 (00:24):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noah.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
They call me Bed.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the
Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.
That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
This is a this is a cool one for us.
You guys.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We were lucky enough not just to perform live in
international waters, but to also record our long awaited exploration
of the Bermuda Triangle. And we just want in touch base,
let you know what you're getting into before where you
hear the tape.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
Yeah, I don't know how Virgin Voyage was okay with this.
Speaker 6 (01:04):
You know, we're not really the fear bombering type, but
there is something to be said about exploring disappearances, famous
disappearances of seafaring vessels and air craft all around this
particular geographical region that we were in fact sailing through.
Speaker 7 (01:23):
Yes, and to put your mind in the space where
we are as listeners of this episode. You go into
a large place called the Red Room, which is already intriguing.
Speaker 4 (01:34):
Right, not related to Black Widow, No, Twin Peaks, that's
the Red Lodge, but similar.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
No, the Red Room is the thing with the curtains
and carry on.
Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yes, it's a phenomenal venue. It's huge, and we have
these ginormous that's technical term screens behind us with some
excellent video work by none other than our own mister
Matt Frederick. We've got a lively crowd of like five
hundred something people who could have done any number of
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other things, right because we're right next to a casino
as we're recording.
Speaker 5 (02:09):
Yep, I canna talk about that.
Speaker 6 (02:11):
I think Ben's alterigo did a little better than there
than I did, But you know what, it's all for fun.
It's all for funzies. And shout out to the crew
there at the Red Room, Victor Legend one percent. Just
I think this is the highest production one of the
highest production value type of live shows that we've ever
gotten to do. And Matt Hughes, shout out to you
for prepping those incredible moving backdrop images as well as
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cutting what you have done in the past on Bermuda Triangle,
an old YouTube episode from the early stuff they don't
want you to know days that really held up other
than I think you mispronounced the word bimini bimini.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
We talked about of backstage.
Speaker 4 (02:48):
Yeah, I mispronounced the word and I called it bemani
in my original research.
Speaker 3 (02:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (02:54):
Absolutely, hilariously honest mistake.
Speaker 6 (02:56):
It was just funny because we've been saying it a
bunch and we almost didn't notice it until we heard
it and they were like.
Speaker 5 (03:01):
Oh, that's not how we've been saying.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
It, right, Do check that out.
Speaker 4 (03:05):
Do forgive my mispronunciation there as well intentioned, but we
do pronounce bimini, bimini bimini correctly in our live shows.
So where this is going to pick up, folks, is
going to be right after our original YouTube video and
the Bermuda Triangle plays and we walk out into the
breach and we immediately start yelling about the Bermuda Triangle
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Speaker 7 (03:54):
Hello, Hello, there's too many of you in here.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
We have a problem.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Yeah, I guess now we have to do a good job.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
I guess we'll do our level best.
Speaker 8 (04:10):
So we are Ben, Matt and Noel stuff they don't
want you to know. And before we get started, we
thought we would play a little bit of a game.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Okay, so we're gonna point this way right. If you're
on this.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Side when we point to you, we want you to
all yell out triangle.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
Okay, so let's try it. That's good.
Speaker 5 (04:35):
Okay, send no nuts, that's good.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
And if you're on this side.
Speaker 5 (04:39):
Can you guess we're gonna yell for mute? Okay on cue?
Speaker 9 (04:46):
Yeah, sorry, we'll workshop that.
Speaker 5 (05:01):
I get why people like sports. That's fun fun, right.
Speaker 7 (05:05):
Was anybody at the summoning ritual that we all performed
last night on the top of the ship during the thunderstorm.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
All dressed in red gigantic octopus? Yeah, it was like.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
The password was Fidelia's totally cool.
Speaker 3 (05:21):
Totally cool.
Speaker 4 (05:22):
We want to be honest with you for for two
thirds of us from Nola myself, this is not only
our first virgin voyage, this is our first cruise ever.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Yeah, I kind of get the appeal.
Speaker 6 (05:36):
I kind of get like it wasn't maybe something that
I would have done on my own.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
But now I think I'm cruise coded.
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Whatever.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
Oh yeah, it's a cruise pilled.
Speaker 5 (05:43):
That's the term.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
It's a problem.
Speaker 7 (05:45):
I'm already budgeting out for the next three years. Yeah,
to spend at seat. So give us, give us a woo.
If this is also your first virgin cruise.
Speaker 3 (05:56):
Wow, that's a lot of the woo's habit.
Speaker 4 (06:00):
Whose habits is just in Uh so, Uh, there's one
more shout out we wanted to give. We've had such
a great time Matt Noll and myself hanging out meeting
some people. I said, I know, I see a couple
faces in the crowd who watched me drunkenly lose at blackjack.
We're all still friends. Uh, but we learned, you guys
that a lot of people are here because they had
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a birthday.
Speaker 5 (06:23):
Okay this week.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
So if you had a birthday this week or you
have one coming up right, Wow, if you had a
birthday today, let's hear a whoo.
Speaker 8 (06:38):
Yeah, all right for sure for the way, and happy birthday, brother, Yes,
so on the counter of three, we're all going to
wish each other a happy birthday.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Okay, one, two, three.
Speaker 6 (06:49):
Happy birthday to all of us, even those whose birthday
is it.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Is not happy birthday at some point.
Speaker 7 (06:57):
Yeah, well, speaking of time, that video guys just watched,
that's from like twenty eleven.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
We made that.
Speaker 5 (07:05):
We didn't know how to pronounce the word bimini.
Speaker 2 (07:09):
We had just read bunch. Okay, this was before my time.
They made a ton of those videos.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
So and now we have united here, not just the
three of us, not just our super producer Dylan the
Tennessee Palfega.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Yes, we forgive you for being handsomer than the three
of us.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
Okay, I can not forget you for that him that, and.
Speaker 4 (07:37):
We're also we considered you part of our show. You're
a fellow conspiracy realists.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
You have given us your time. We're going to share
it together.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
And when we first started talking about this idea, guys,
we looked around and we said, wait, have we never
done an episode on the Buda Triangle?
Speaker 5 (07:57):
Yeahs fars the background.
Speaker 6 (07:59):
The show started off as a video only YouTube series
back when when was that like in two thousand nine,
when it was still called like what iTunes video or
something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
Yeah, that's what it was. We were number one on
itubes video. I mean, come on, yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5 (08:13):
So we've been at it for a while, but then
it became an audio podcast. We've been doing that for
a low decade plus somehow. Only that video is the
only time we've ever talked about Bermuni trying.
Speaker 4 (08:23):
Yeah, crazy, and we we've explored so much stuff, but
like the rest of humanity, and this is true, we've
got a lot more exploration to.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
Do in the ocean.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
We talked about this fact all the time. You guys
probably know it, but human civilization right now knows more
about the moon than they do about the bottom of
the ocean.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Except for James Cameron, who knows.
Speaker 3 (08:47):
Yeah, he's put in the times. Thank you James, there's James.
Speaker 5 (08:54):
Congrats on Avatar thirteen.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
Ye.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
Do we want to talk about some of the experiences.
Speaker 7 (09:04):
Okay, so, just as a fairly new cruiser, what it
was the term one who cruises.
Speaker 3 (09:09):
Sor sailor.
Speaker 5 (09:12):
Preferred nomenclature of virgin cruises.
Speaker 7 (09:15):
As we drink, I imagine that all of us now
have had that experience when we go out on the
top deck and you're just standing there and you're just
looking out at what our eyes can only understand as
infinite water, infinite sky, some clouds, maybe one boat, but
mostly just the best thing our mind could come up with.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Infinity.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Right, Well, it's like when we were doing it together.
I think I pointed out there, like I get why
back in the day people thought the.
Speaker 6 (09:43):
World was just going to end at some point. Yes,
it tracks like the phenomenon of experiencing it.
Speaker 7 (09:50):
I can totally feel that absolutely, And then we have
to imagine it's not just out and up, it's also down.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It goes super deep. We don't know much about it.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
We do know that we're all here together live in
the actual Bermia Triangle we did, Jimmy, don't get mad.
We didn't know whether we would be able to do
this show, but we've been fascinated by this. We thought
this is the best place to explore this.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
So one of our first questions is what do we
think about when we think about the Bermuda Triangle? Right,
miss mystery, I mean triangles.
Speaker 5 (10:26):
Shapes mainly shape, yeah, crashes, that stuff.
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Extraterrestrials, aliens, ghosts, aliens, sea monsters, aliens.
Speaker 6 (10:41):
That one episode of Scooby Doo from nineteen seventy eight.
It was called a creepy tangle in the Bermuda triangle.
Then we're skeleton people involved. Yeah, that's really your main
source about learning about this topic. And no attention to
Scooby do Scooby Doooby doo, where are you triangle?
Speaker 3 (10:58):
That's you Ferm.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
I think about what was.
Speaker 7 (11:01):
That Philadelphia experiment? Or there was something we did an
episode on a long time ago, adults.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
For dimensional travel creating cream cheese. Yes, so we maybe
we're getting carried away. We know this. We talked to
a lot a lot of our fellow sailors, and everybody
has an idea, has a theory, as we'll lure tonight.
We actually went and spoke with the captains themselves, the
captain and the deputy captain.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Let's give it up for them.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
Whoa, they're not there fearing the ship and stuff. So
somebody steering right, somebody is there, auto.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
I don't know how it works.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Let's move Okay, Yeah we did.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
We did check to see if we could curse a
little bit in this show, so I'll break the seal here.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Those guys are so fun. So they're like firefighters also doctors.
Speaker 5 (11:52):
They wear absolutely stunning.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
I love seeing around and that air of like a
little dangerous. You know, it's just a little dangerous. They
got good hands.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Oh yeah, we're talking to it and obviously they're taller
than me, both of them.
Speaker 2 (12:07):
And they're like, yeah, okay, good, We're gonna be fine.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
So we also think we've heard about time travel theories.
We've also heard about crime.
Speaker 5 (12:18):
The True anybody got in any of the other live
podcast events?
Speaker 6 (12:24):
Yeah, this this, this episode is gonna be a little
less murdery, So consider it a bit of a pali.
Speaker 5 (12:30):
But we love our fellow podcast Oh the Trail and
Buried Bones. Shout out to all of those amazing folks.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
Absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
I'm just gonna out with myself. I've kind of embarrassed
myself a couple of times. I've been walking around to
some of you and just going, do you guys really
understand who Paul Holes is?
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Like this?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
He's a lot of a big deal.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
Hang on a sec, let's take a quick pause here,
step away from this live show. Here are worth more
sponsor and then we'll be right back from the red room.
Speaker 5 (13:08):
And we're back.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
So we do a bunch of shows.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
This is one of our favorite shows because now we
get to talk about true crime, we get to talk
about mystery and allegations and paranormal This is kind of
like true extraterrestrial Prime or maybe extra true terrestrial crime.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
It's not terrestrial, it's on the scene.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Okay, it's the planet.
Speaker 2 (13:33):
It's true.
Speaker 4 (13:34):
So the pitch for the Bermuda triangle, it's something that
we have been obsessed with ever since we were wee
young tights and just date us a little bit here
before podcasts.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
We're a thing.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (13:49):
We're talking like those time life books.
Speaker 2 (13:52):
Encyclopedia Britannica, but on a bookshelf.
Speaker 3 (13:56):
Our coffee table.
Speaker 2 (13:58):
Right.
Speaker 4 (13:58):
Yeah, So the pitches that multiple ships and planes over
decades or over centuries have gone missing, no wreckage, no survivors,
no explanation.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Of a poof situation, yeah, or pop situation a po.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
The Sargasso Sea hungers, they sing, right, and every so
often it consumes the unweary vessel. So that's the pitch,
right for true believers. Uh, it appears there are numerous
examples to back up this legend.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
Maybe we talked about a few of the most famous,
which we saw in our our video right the.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Video before the video, the video before the video there was.
Speaker 5 (14:39):
That was so the first amazing video that Mapp put together.
Speaker 3 (14:42):
This is all Matt Frederick. By the way, let's give
the hand.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Yeah, tell us tell us a bit about tell us
a bit about that footage they found.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Well, the first one was that a little bit creepy.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
Hopefully it was like just mildly unsettling. I would I
would call it.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
It's just just old archival footage.
Speaker 7 (14:57):
If anybody doesn't go to archi dot org and go
to things like the Prailinger Archives and other things that
just go way back into the nineteen twenties, thirties, forties,
you can find a credible film footage and you know,
most of it is now out of copyright.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
So if you're making a cool project, check.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
It out, dude, check it out.
Speaker 3 (15:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (15:17):
But then the other one was from the video and
one of the things at the very front of the
stuff they don't want you to know, Bermuda Triangle video.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
There's a clip there and that is from a.
Speaker 7 (15:26):
Recreation of this thing, the flight nineteen incident is what
we'll call it, where those five planes went missing.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Just and it was a little the acting was great, right,
It was a translation.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
It was it was you know, actually they made some
choices do it.
Speaker 3 (15:43):
It's true, there was an aesthetic they were.
Speaker 5 (15:47):
So should we start with this incident, let's do let's
do this.
Speaker 3 (15:50):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
So here's the gist. Here's this setup. We're traveling back together. Right,
It's just after the end of World War Two. The
world is in share. Things are chaotic, pretty much. Everybody
is having a bad day, right, and in this near
you it's December fifth, nineteen forty five, and people still
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have to do their jobs.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
Right. So Flight nineteen is.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
A group of what we call torpedo bombers. There are
five of them in this flight group, and they're leaving
the Naval Air Station in Fort Lauderdale, Florida.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
Shout out to everybody from Fort Lauderdale. Okay, wait to
hear the rest of the story.
Speaker 4 (16:34):
So they they're leaving, and it's a typical training flight.
They've got one guy named Lieutenant Charles Taylor. He has
all his bona fides, he's seasoned, he's a.
Speaker 3 (16:46):
Veteran, he knows how navigation works. Here's the thing. And
the rest of his crew remember this, they're learning how
to use Yeah, they're the interns of the.
Speaker 5 (16:59):
Sky point, and so.
Speaker 4 (17:03):
As they're going on, they're just trying to figure out
how do we how do we know we're leaving Point A,
we're going to Point Z. How do we do that
without things going sideways? And everything seems great until about
three forty five PM, where we'd like to give you
a little bit of a dramatic retelling of the true
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radio transmissions.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
Let's see who wants to be Taylor.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
I'll be Taylor.
Speaker 3 (17:29):
Sure, all right, nice, We've got Noel Brown playing Taylor.
Noel's amazing. Yeah, so let's give a hand for Nolan.
Speaker 10 (17:37):
Thank you very much, Take you very much. Okay, Taylor
cannot see land. We seem to be of course, what's
your position?
Speaker 5 (17:50):
We cannot be sure where we are. I'm panicked at
this point it says, so right here, that's a repeat.
I cannot see land.
Speaker 4 (17:58):
Now those are Lieutenantsaylor's last recorded words at the end
of the story.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
The tower is freaking out right ten.
Speaker 4 (18:06):
Minutes past ten long right in minutes and then a
new voice chimes in. Taylor has disappeared, and this new
voice is even more panic and theyre say, matth you
want to do this one?
Speaker 7 (18:17):
Uh sure, we can't find west. Everything is wrong. We
can't be sure of any direction. Everything looks strange.
Speaker 5 (18:24):
Even the ocean. Wow, that's a lot, dude.
Speaker 7 (18:28):
But here's the craziest part. You ready, Yes, we can't
tell where we are. Everything is I can't make out anything.
I think we may be about two hundred and twenty
five miles northeast of base it.
Speaker 3 (18:39):
It looks like.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
We're entering white water.
Speaker 3 (18:42):
What does that mean?
Speaker 2 (18:43):
We're entering white water. We're completely lost.
Speaker 5 (18:47):
That's it. Yeah, that's all your guarantee. That's it, right, guarante.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Can I tell you what I imagined? Just quickly?
Speaker 3 (18:54):
Let me hang entering, let me hang out.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Okay, thank you.
Speaker 7 (18:58):
We are entering white water. I'm just imagining, imagining the
visual of seeing whitewater in front of a plane.
Speaker 5 (19:07):
Right.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
So in my mind, that's either, oh, you're angled down
and you don't realize it.
Speaker 2 (19:12):
That's not great. But the other thing, it's kind of
whack of doing. It's out there. But I imagine stuff
from the Marvel Universe, guys portals.
Speaker 5 (19:19):
I imagine it was only a matter of time before
we got multiverse.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
I know, it's silly, it's very silly. It's probably is
not anything to do with the truth of the matter.
Speaker 7 (19:30):
But when you see some mysterious story like this and
you hear the last words of somebody who truly did disappear,
I like to allow my mind to go to that place.
We like to allow our minds to go to that
kind of place, not to truly think, hey, that's probably real,
but more as though, what if it was that, would
anything else match up?
Speaker 3 (19:50):
And if that is true, then what else does that
lead us to? Right?
Speaker 4 (19:55):
Because if we know portals, I'm sure we know portals.
I'm not alienating anybody. There's always one of the on portal, right,
because the portal go somewhere.
Speaker 3 (20:02):
Yes, all right, what's up next? Airline food? Anyway. We
have tons of these examples.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
There are things that people will say, you're clear examples
proof that there's something spooky in the Bermuda Triangle. There's
the story of the Ellen Austin in eighteen eighty one,
the USS Cyclops. We've also got We've also got that
cool boat name Witchcraft, the luxury cruiser. And in all
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of these cases which you can find in all sorts
of Bermuda Triangle lore, the skeptics and the true believers
both agree that those cases we just named have no
proven hauns.
Speaker 3 (20:43):
We don't know why they disappeared, we don't know where
they went.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
But as we also learned, there are a couple of
cases where the answer is there, but people don't really
want to look into it because it messes.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
With the story.
Speaker 6 (20:54):
Well, it's a bit of a case of confirmation bias,
where that enough things come out, people start to sort
of build a lore around it, and then before you
know it, the Bermuda Triangle is this cursed you know,
portal to Hell or something, yeah.
Speaker 7 (21:06):
Which is awesome, Yeah, yeah, ejectively just conceptually exist, or.
Speaker 3 (21:11):
A portal to Reno, which is kind.
Speaker 5 (21:12):
Of Should we talk about the witchcraft? Yeah, we can
talking about real pe And I just think it's a
badass name.
Speaker 4 (21:19):
Luxury IM saying, yeah, it's nineteen sixty seven, it's December
twenty second, right before Christmas, and there's a real estate
developer named Daniel Burak, and Daniel's been doing really well.
He owns a he owns a yacht, yes, he gives
a sick name, and he takes his friend out with
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him at night to see the Miami skyline. Right, it's
pretty cool, just a fun cinematic detail. His buddy is
a Catholic priest named Father Horgan. They only go about
a mile out.
Speaker 3 (21:52):
From shore the witchcraft becomes disabled. What happens next?
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Oh, I don't even know, dude.
Speaker 7 (22:00):
They put out a distress call and they're asking for
somebody to come out and help them, right, and they said, hey,
this isn't a big deal. It's not some kind of emergency.
It would be really cool to get some kind of
rowboat something out to us so we can get out
of this boat that's disabled.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
That's it pretty simple.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Oh and nineteen minutes later support does show up. The
thing is, the witchcraft isn't there, it's gone.
Speaker 3 (22:25):
Yeah, and this is sixty.
Speaker 4 (22:26):
Seven, so it's modern enough that they have they have
some technology that will allow them to scout more effectively
than someone in the.
Speaker 3 (22:34):
Eighteen hundreds, right, yes, but nothing managed a poof and.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
A pop, a bit of a poof and pop. Okay,
go ahead please.
Speaker 7 (22:41):
Well it's pretty simple, like if you think about that rationally, right,
somebody gets a distressed call from a ship, then they
come out to help and the ship's not there.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Okay, something happened that ship sank and that's it. End
of story.
Speaker 7 (22:54):
You're gonna have missing people now, and you're gonna have
a missing ship. But if you're you know, rationally thinking Okay,
that ship's sink. The great thing about this topic and
think about in this way.
Speaker 3 (23:04):
Is what if it didn't man?
Speaker 2 (23:06):
What if that ship got zapped out of time or
grabbed by a kraken.
Speaker 3 (23:12):
Or by extraterrestrials, you know what I mean? What if
they got a non consensual beam me up Scotty.
Speaker 2 (23:20):
Situation like the whole ship just ends up in the
cargo bay.
Speaker 6 (23:24):
Yes, well, I think the thing that's also important to
think about in these cases is how we pointed out
earlier how vast all of this is, and how little
we know about what's down there, and how objectively difficult
it could potentially be to find one of these things,
even if it sunk in a place where you kind
of thought.
Speaker 5 (23:41):
You knew where it was.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Yeah, needle in a haystack times a million. And get
this books.
Speaker 4 (23:45):
Depending on who you read and who you talk to,
these stories that we gave you are fairly recent the
past few centuries. You'll find plenty of authors say it
goes much further back. A ton of the books will
will tell you that serious events in the area predate
the name Bermuda Triangle, maybe the name Bermuda. And they'll
(24:07):
say that even like, way before European ships reached this
part of the world, all the locals knew there was
something strange afoot or afloat.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
Yeah, sure, Okay, they're in the sea, so for thousands
of years.
Speaker 4 (24:23):
Then the pitch is this part of the ocean is
like a haunted house, right, spooky stuff. And even now
in twenty twenty five, you'll hear people saying, well, I'm
a skeptical person. I'm a modern person, but is there
something to this? Maybe there's something to it. So that's
our question, what's going on?
Speaker 2 (24:45):
How many people here think there might be something strange
going on in this part of the ocean. Yeah, so
much better about my alien ideas?
Speaker 3 (24:58):
Yeah, I think we would.
Speaker 4 (25:00):
I would also I would accept sea monsters, Okay, I
would accept sea.
Speaker 3 (25:03):
Monsters as.
Speaker 5 (25:06):
Horrors.
Speaker 4 (25:07):
Yeah, and you know, if it's ancient sea monsters, I say,
that's what we get for eating all that octopus.
Speaker 6 (25:14):
Probably sure, and come up, it's a real come up
and watch my octopus, teacher, and you'll never want to
eat another.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
Squeen again I saw one of those things we just
learned about in the press.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Spoken word. But so that's seriously our question. He's there
an answer, bat in the hatchets, something with the mask,
something with sales.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
We're pausing for word from our sponsors, and then we'll
be back on the high seats.
Speaker 3 (25:49):
And we've returned years where it gets crazy every time.
I love it. We think we've solved the mystery.
Speaker 4 (25:59):
I mean not we, We think civilization has solved, not
just us in Dylan, and thanks again, Dylan. So hopefully
we haven't spooked anybody out too much. Hopefully we're all
still having a good time, especially because we really want
to come back and.
Speaker 3 (26:14):
Hang out with you more often.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
If that's okay, If you feel a little squirrely about
the possibility of us all suddenly disappearing, we have some
good news. We've looked into everything about the mysteries, all
the reported incidents and cases, and a lot of the
toll tales. They're really juicy ones. They're great stories, but
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they're just that their stories, and they're awesome, and they're awesome,
and some of them have aliens, which I'm also I'm
very excited. So all right, this is where this is
where maybe we we do we do a little bit
of another game. So we're gonna ask you a question,
and we want you it's multiple choice, no pressure, and
(26:58):
so we want you to give a shout out when
you think you've got the right answers. So the size,
the number of the numbers, that's what we're running through. Okay,
So the actual size of the Bermuda triangle. Let's let's
kick it. Let's give some options. Okay, so I will
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run through the first.
Speaker 3 (27:20):
There are three choices.
Speaker 4 (27:21):
We're gonna do those first, and then we'll start cheering
for the one we think it's correct.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
That's right, is it? A twenty thousand to one hundred
thousand square miles?
Speaker 5 (27:34):
Got no takers there?
Speaker 6 (27:34):
Okay, we've got B two hundred thousand to two hundred
and fifty thousand square miles.
Speaker 5 (27:39):
We should run through all of them.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
Yes, yes, we're not cheering yet.
Speaker 5 (27:42):
Yes, think about it was me.
Speaker 6 (27:46):
So we got C five hundred thousand to one million,
five hundred thousand square miles.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Okay, so those are choices. I'll do it one more time.
So cheer for which you think is correct.
Speaker 4 (27:57):
A twenty thousand to one hundred thousand, Okay, okay, I
like it. I like the energy B two hundred thousand
to two hundred and fifty thousand.
Speaker 3 (28:09):
Okay, all right, okay, okay, all right, high bar here.
Speaker 4 (28:13):
So for the c folks, five hundred thousand to one million,
five hundred thousand.
Speaker 3 (28:17):
Square minles h.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
All right, if you guess, see get it, becauerte the congratulations.
Speaker 5 (28:25):
You are correct, A huge part of the ocean's wild.
Speaker 3 (28:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (28:30):
I wouldn't have gotten that, right, I can't even I
probably can't count to a million.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
Now. So this is this is, this is the idea
that we're in.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
A specific region of the world, a tiny triangle bounded
by Florida, Bermuda and of course Puerto Rico.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
So whenever something bad happens in that.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Area or something mysterious, even the most skeptical of us
will stragan say, know, yeah, you're muta.
Speaker 6 (28:56):
Triangle when so expert oceanographers around the world know that
some hearts of the ocean are trickier to navigate than others.
But there genuinely doesn't seem to be a significantly higher
amount of mysterious events here comparatively, right, It just it's.
Speaker 5 (29:12):
Got to remember that confirmation bias aspect.
Speaker 6 (29:14):
More people are creating these stories, building this lore and
this mythology, and it starts to just become this kind
of go to for people, kind of cooking up these stories.
And then this notion of it being more dangerous than
the rest of the massive, massive amounts of area that
the ocean encompasses are the ocean is just crazy that.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
We should have gotten with Virgin and found the number
of cruises they go through this area. If somebody knew
something about like on a euro two.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Hundred cruises, we can guess.
Speaker 4 (29:45):
But this is also very It's a very big, very
busy part of the ocean, so we don't know how
many vessels and aircraft are passing through at any given time.
That's right, we don't know the totality. And basically, the
more boat, the more vessels and planes you have passing
through the area, the more opportunities there are for some
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shenanigans to occur.
Speaker 7 (30:08):
And that's everything from a mechanical error on a vessel
to pre coincident with a wave which we will talk
about in a little bit, or even a weather pattern.
We talked with Jamie backstage about there is one incident
on a ship one time where a tornado just went
right through the center of the thing, like and nobody
knew that was gonna happen because you can't predict that
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kind of weather and you do your absolute level best
to make sure everything's going to be fine and good
to go.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
But just the weather is a separate power that we
have nothing to do with, you know.
Speaker 7 (30:41):
It's just I think what we're talking about is you
increase the number of people and ships and vessels planes
in an area, you're going to increase the number of
potential problems, right.
Speaker 4 (30:52):
Yeah, potential non consensual adventures and its thousands of cruises
that pass through the every year.
Speaker 5 (30:58):
And the answer if you were wondering if it is avoided,
it's just not.
Speaker 3 (31:03):
It's absolutely not. I mean, look at us, you guys
are we're here now, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (31:09):
So another fun fact that we learned while we're researching
this is all ships need insurance, right and if the
Bermuda Triangle is really this hive of scum.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
To he wordle to Rito or whatever, then we know
that that we know that there would be there would
be problems ensuring it, and no company would ensure these
ships if that were true, not even.
Speaker 4 (31:35):
Lloyd's of London and they're the folks who ensured j
Lo's butt, you know what I mean, Like they'll go
for anything.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Gets another.
Speaker 4 (31:48):
Another big factor, going back to what you were saying
there no, is that everyone loves a good story. So
the first story about the Bermuda Triangle, it's actually way
more recent. People think it comes from a newspaper in
nineteen fifty where this journalist in Arizona, of all places, was.
Speaker 3 (32:08):
Like, you know, Gibbs will he shoots lose planes right.
Speaker 5 (32:12):
Land locked Arizona.
Speaker 3 (32:13):
He's an expert, and he's never been to the Bermuda Triangle.
And then the actual he didn't use the term.
Speaker 4 (32:18):
The actual phrase Bermuda Triangle doesn't come until nineteen sixty four.
Speaker 7 (32:25):
That's what it's I heard about this guy, Yeah, rating
for an argacy, I believe, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (32:31):
And so along with a handful of other people, our
guy Vincent, we'll call him Big V because that's a
cool nickname.
Speaker 3 (32:38):
So Big V is one of the main reasons.
Speaker 4 (32:40):
People talk about the Bermuda Triangle because people hear this
story and they love it, and more and more folks
learn about it and the great game of Telephone and
whispers begins, and so from the sixties, nineteen sixties to
the eighties to to the nineties, people every time they
hear about a tragic event, they we start.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Looking for an explanage. So that's what we do. We're humans.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
We want patterns, we want answers, and folks started making
up their own ideas.
Speaker 3 (33:09):
You are super into aliens. You hear about this and
you go, oh, man, I was thinking about this earlier aliens.
Speaker 7 (33:15):
Bro Well, I mean, you know or real let's say
government craft or experiments. We know about lots of testing
that occurs out in the desert on the continental United States.
There's also testing that's done in the waters the territory
of the United States. And I'm only pointing them out
because I'm from there, Okay, but you know, every government
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tests all kinds of things, and international waters would be
a place to test things where something may or may
or may not go wrong, which is just again, we
try and keep all potential possibilities there. That would be
way more rational than how much I wish it was aliens.
Speaker 4 (33:53):
I think we're all on the same page with that one, Okay,
we want to believe, right, And there's another thing with
I love that explanation. Because there's another thing with time
travel where somebody's already super into time travel and they
hear about a missing plane and they go, you know what,
I got it, time travel, time travels, time traffl.
Speaker 3 (34:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (34:12):
And so we also see people who think about ancient
civilizations Atlantis, La Muria, right, the mini road we learned
how to pronounce it's true because we're going there, and
they say, maybe there's an ancient civilization involved. But the
hard truth is that no matter what explanation we prefer,
planes and ships have disappeared.
Speaker 5 (34:34):
And unpack that for me just a little bit.
Speaker 6 (34:36):
Then the idea of Atlantis returning and of that being
like one of the theories, yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:42):
Which gets it. I mean it's mix and match. You know,
you're at the buffet of conspiratorial thought.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
So you can take a little bit of Atlantis and say, oh,
Atlantis is coming back, take a scoop of time travel
that on, you know, just roll it onto the Portier
burrito bowl and really likes case of yeah, I'm going
through it.
Speaker 2 (35:01):
Yeah, Bimni Road really does look nuts, though.
Speaker 3 (35:04):
It does look like it. Yeah, you guys have heard
about this, right, do.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
You know Bemini Road to anybody, Okay, good, well a
couple of us do.
Speaker 7 (35:13):
We're going right out there. I don't think we actually
get to go to that section of the North Island.
But it's incredible. It doesn't look real. It looks like
somebody built something down there in the seafloor right right
off of the North Island there.
Speaker 4 (35:29):
Yeah, it looks like carved stone, like a paved road
that just fell beneath the waves at some point.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
And it looks gigantic, yes, but it does.
Speaker 7 (35:39):
There does appear to be a standard explanation of just
weathering of those specific stones and the structure of those stones.
Speaker 2 (35:46):
And nothing to see here basically, but I don't know.
Speaker 3 (35:51):
Yeah, who are they?
Speaker 7 (35:53):
Right?
Speaker 2 (35:54):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (35:54):
Yeah, we shouldn't have called the stone stuff. They don't
want you to know, all right, shout out today.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
We also know we also know that, you know, giving
people wanted explanations and couldn't find one until modern science
led to breakthroughs in the Bermuda Triangle mystery. And well
they were talking about a little bit earlier. One of
the biggest ones is surveillance. Is back in the day,
you know, we would all hop on our whaling vessel
or whatever, and we would be like, Margaret's my dea,
(36:25):
I will see you in eight months, four years, help
you keep you all scheduled, Cleo.
Speaker 7 (36:34):
Imagine though, imagine getting on a ship and doing what
we're doing right now, looking out and seeing what you see,
and knowing that there's a manifest somewhere. There's a piece
of paper somewhere on one side that says we're leaving
with this stuff, this many crew members, and we're heading
in this direction. And then there might be someone on
the other side at the destination with a similar piece
(36:55):
of paper other than that good.
Speaker 3 (36:57):
Luck, yeah, right, And so people would go missing.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
There wasn't radio, there weren't satellites, you know, you would
It also meant that if you were running late, people
would be way nicer to you than there would be
if you're running late today. They would just be happy
to making happy, you know what I mean. And so
that's we're keeping a positive That's one advantage. But the
thing is there were a lot of disadvantages. We had
(37:23):
to hope the weather was kind, We had to hope
nothing went wrong privateers pirates, you know, just mechanical failures.
Sometimes things did go wrong, and if you're waiting for
the ship.
Speaker 3 (37:34):
You know, let's think about that. You're the family.
Speaker 4 (37:35):
You're over in Nantucket or something, and you were waiting
for your loved one to come home and you don't
ever get a solid confirmation, right, Or you're at a
port in the Carolinas, you know.
Speaker 3 (37:47):
And you know they were going through what we call
the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
Now by the time someone decided we have to go
look for this missing ship, months could have happened.
Speaker 6 (37:57):
Yeah, And the thinking, again, you just have to think
about this the relative side. As massive as this ship is,
like walking up to it or riding up to it,
it was just like kind of mind blowing. But compare
that to the absolute, utter, endless vastness that is the ocean,
you know, at large.
Speaker 5 (38:11):
It really is a needle in that hates that kind
of situation.
Speaker 3 (38:14):
Yeah, the odds are against us.
Speaker 4 (38:15):
Yeah, and luckily the good news is we've got modern communication,
satellite technology. It's made everything much safer. It's also made
it a little more difficult to get away.
Speaker 3 (38:26):
I get that. But here on the Valiant Lady.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
Our amazing crew is in constant communication, you know what
I mean. They're talking to the sky and they're talking
to all the ports we go.
Speaker 5 (38:37):
To blasting horns and stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:41):
Heart attacks and we I think we all have maybe
contacted a loved one on the shore.
Speaker 3 (38:46):
That's amazing that we can do it.
Speaker 5 (38:48):
It's insane. Yeah, it's pretty good. Pretty good, it's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (38:53):
It's pretty good.
Speaker 4 (38:54):
So, like you were saying, there's a discrepancy of scale,
the ocean is a the volatile ecosystem. It's better to
think of it as its own big animal, right, And
that's when we get into being at the mercy of
atmospheric conditions. Because early ships, like when the brigotines and
all that stuff, we imagine they're much smaller than we
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would think, so the wrong kind of wave hits them
and it's skid.
Speaker 5 (39:22):
At are we talking about rogue waves?
Speaker 10 (39:24):
Then?
Speaker 4 (39:24):
Why do we talk about rogue waves or freak waves,
which I think is more fun there it is.
Speaker 7 (39:29):
Yeah, So if we're not familiar with that term, this
is the concept that there's a wave so large it
would be roughly thirty meters in the air. If you
just looked out and you saw a wave, what is
the equivalent of thirty meters? Lord, I'm gonna have to
do it right, now I don't even know.
Speaker 2 (39:46):
What it is in feet. It's a huge freaking wave.
It shouldn't be that tall.
Speaker 3 (39:50):
It's like a wall of water.
Speaker 7 (39:52):
Yes, And these were tails that were told by people
that were sailing vessels all across this area in the
Bermuda Triangle, and it wasn't believed because at the time,
especially when they're being experienced, there's not really good camera
footage that you could actually confirm that there was a
you know, thirty meter wave that came across. It wasn't
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until nineteen ninety five when there was an oil rig
that actually did have some sensors on it, they were
able to test each each wave basically that comes up
against this oil platform, and there was a I think
it was twenty nine meters of a wave, way higher
than any wave could have been shown by the what
(40:33):
do they call that, not the lateral model. There's a
specific model that they use to tell you the smallest
waves and the largest waves you're going to encounter, based
on wind speeds and currents and things like that.
Speaker 5 (40:44):
And this was just way higher.
Speaker 4 (40:47):
Yeah, and with no precedents, no like yeah, no heads up,
no spoiler alert, and scientists didn't even really believe in
these things until the past few decades. Was kind of
like ball lightning, which is another really really cool, Okay,
different episode.
Speaker 3 (41:02):
I'm getting carried away, So I got.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
The measurements wrong really quickly. Yes, twenty five point six
meters was the one that was measured on that day
on that oil platform, and that is eighty four feet,
So an eighty four foot wave.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
Yeah, and these extreme storm waves, that's another that's another
termual here, and that could be a plausible explanation for some,
but not all, of the events we talk about in
the Bermuda Triangle.
Speaker 3 (41:31):
So we know that there is some science behind it, right,
and we know when we.
Speaker 4 (41:36):
Bugged at the Captain. We talked to Captain Domir and
he gave us for me this is one of my
favorite lines. We heard we meet, we're meeting and hanging
out with him, and I said, Okay, I've got to
know we're doing this show right, We're hanging out with people.
Speaker 3 (41:52):
What do you guys think?
Speaker 4 (41:54):
And Deputy Captain Narn, what do you guys think of
the Bermuda Triangle?
Speaker 3 (41:59):
And this is a quote. It's a very very distinct voice.
Speaker 4 (42:02):
We're not going to do his voice, but he says,
I have been across the Bermuda triangle many many times,
and look at me.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
I haven't disappeared. It was pretty good. Like he's got
he's got comedic tough though he's tough. He's tough.
Speaker 5 (42:18):
You know, he's got gravitas.
Speaker 3 (42:19):
I've never disappeared.
Speaker 4 (42:21):
So we we want to give it up again one
more time for our captain, our deputy captain, and can
tell you.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And they're just the foolest guys. We're in excellent hands
here with them and the crew. So have we saw
this day?
Speaker 2 (42:37):
I have a question.
Speaker 7 (42:38):
Yeah, we've all seen, like the Navy coming out with
official videos of things that appear to be unidentified aerial
phenomena or unexplained.
Speaker 2 (42:48):
Phenomena up in the sky sometimes in the oceans.
Speaker 7 (42:52):
Does anybody here believe that there's actually some kind of
be an extraterrestrial or inner terrestrial or whatever thing intelligence
that is on Earth right now? Does anybody believe that?
Speaker 2 (43:06):
Really? Do you ever feel like we're being programmed to
believe that? Sorry, that's.
Speaker 7 (43:14):
Oh boy, doesn't the middle of the night looking out
on the ocean thoughts, But it does seem like and
specifically vehicles that appear to be going into the ocean
from the air, that kind of trans medium object and
concept that has a hold on me, I think because
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it could it could explain some of the other phenomena
that we end up seeing and that our you know,
military's navies see out there in the oceans.
Speaker 3 (43:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 7 (43:50):
I want to explore even more. And there's some people
right now working on documentaries. Oh our our buddy oh
I can't think of his name right now, who does
the UFO stuff?
Speaker 2 (44:00):
Uh we corbel. Yeah, they're doing all kinds of really interesting.
Speaker 7 (44:05):
Stuff attempting to get like official documents through Congress and
and actually have like testimony about true experiences and sightings.
Speaker 2 (44:15):
And we just can't wait to see that play out.
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Transmedia meaning that something could be under the water like
a submersible and then immediately violate what we know about
physics and technology and just and just yeat itself into
the atmosphere, itself down.
Speaker 3 (44:34):
And again yeat is the technical term.
Speaker 4 (44:37):
So we like what we we're seeing here is we're
also we're not giving up on the space bubbles, right,
space time bubbles?
Speaker 3 (44:45):
Oh yeah, yeah, we're not giving up on the aliens.
Speaker 6 (44:48):
Can we just add one we talked a little bit
about probability and just about how maybe this is this
confirmation biased to play right where.
Speaker 5 (44:57):
But there's this Australian scientist named Carl Let's.
Speaker 6 (45:00):
See Crucial, Crucial Nikki who has for years been preaching
this gospel, this idea of this is there's nothing special
about this region.
Speaker 5 (45:10):
It is just a numbers game overall.
Speaker 2 (45:13):
And Noah, the what is it the atmosphere.
Speaker 5 (45:21):
Anyway, they did for sure it's authority. Yeah, and they
they believe the same thing.
Speaker 6 (45:26):
I mean, they for years have been saying this is
just a numbers game, and it is just this idea
of the stories we tell ourselves, the way that lore
can kind of perpetuate itself over time.
Speaker 5 (45:37):
So not to be a buzz killed, but I.
Speaker 6 (45:39):
Think it's certainly possible that we might get beamed up
while we're on this delightful voyage.
Speaker 5 (45:43):
But chances are pretty well.
Speaker 4 (45:45):
And I love that point in making too, because it
tells us about the power of story, right. The story
and the lore of the Bermuda Triangle is really a
story about the people who are finding and discovering.
Speaker 5 (45:56):
Those and the friends we made along the way.
Speaker 3 (45:59):
The stories we tell ourselves, the.
Speaker 2 (46:01):
Friends we made at Scarlett Knight. Yeah, all the ship
when we summoned that remember you were.
Speaker 3 (46:07):
There there the friends we made when we took some excursion.
Shout out to UGO, right yeah.
Speaker 4 (46:18):
And we also we also known that science as officially
to their mindsult the Bermuda Triangle. But have we And
that's where that's where we wanted to pause because folks,
as you could probably tell, we've been doing this show
for a long time and we have so much more
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On Purpose with Jay Shetty
I’m Jay Shetty host of On Purpose the worlds #1 Mental Health podcast and I’m so grateful you found us. I started this podcast 5 years ago to invite you into conversations and workshops that are designed to help make you happier, healthier and more healed. I believe that when you (yes you) feel seen, heard and understood you’re able to deal with relationship struggles, work challenges and life’s ups and downs with more ease and grace. I interview experts, celebrities, thought leaders and athletes so that we can grow our mindset, build better habits and uncover a side of them we’ve never seen before. New episodes every Monday and Friday. Your support means the world to me and I don’t take it for granted — click the follow button and leave a review to help us spread the love with On Purpose. I can’t wait for you to listen to your first or 500th episode!
The Joe Rogan Experience
The official podcast of comedian Joe Rogan.
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