Strange News: A Real Estate Conspiracy, Would-be Superheroes and the Pentagon's Weird Promise to Talk about UFOs

Real estate appraisers exhibit nation-wide, currently legal discrimination against homeowners based on the perceived skin color of the owners. People are dressing up in costume and attempting to "fight crime" for attention on social media. The Pentagon may release classified info on UFOs -- which they call Unidentified Aerial Phenomena, or UAP -- next Tuesday (Ben doubts it). All this and more in today's Strange News.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.

(00:25):
My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Paul Mission controlled decans. Most importantly, you are you. You
are here, and that makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. It is the top of the week,
and that means it is yet again time for our
weekly Strange News segment. You know, we've mentioned this in

(00:49):
the past. We can sometimes have a tough time distilling
all the events of the week down to just three things.
But here I think we're very much at an impast.
We know about the events in the Middle East that
are happening as we record. Also the events in Colombia

(01:10):
that are happening is we record. So want to thank
everybody for writing in on this. We are aware of these.
They each warrant a full episode, I would argue on
their own, uh, instead of you know, fifteen minutes, which
is typically what we aim for our strange News segments.
But today we're talking about We're talking about several things

(01:32):
that UM may have escaped your attention in the mainstream news.
One definitely didn't, especially if you're a longtime listeners. Stuff
they don't want you to know. Uh, there may be
something big on the way in the skies. Next month
we have a story of a local vigilante. Well they're
local to you know, the people who live around them,

(01:52):
but for us, they're they're just a super vigilante. And
then a story about systemic race is UM and how
it affects people in the modern day and something a
lot of folks may not have considered yet. Where do
you guys want to start? I'm kind of leaning towards
real superhero I don't know, that's just me. I like

(02:15):
this good a place to start, as any Yeah, uh
so apparently for the last eight years UM a real
life vigilante. Yeah, I don't know. Like, do you guys
think Batman is a superhero? He has gadgets he doesn't
really have, He's not blessed with any like, yeah, he's
abjective skills. He's a time traveler. Money is value over time. Okay,

(02:35):
Well that's I think we'll have to agree to disagree,
but to me, you know, Batman, I think it's I'm
not like alone in this. But Batman has always been
important and an interesting guy and uh able to parlay
those millions and billions of dollars, however many he has
in imaginary money, um, into the stuff of crime fighting,
you know, legend. Uh. And that's really important, um, because

(02:58):
he is putting himself of it risk, knowing that he
is but a man who could be struck down and killed,
as is a dude in Little Rock, Arkansas who has
apparently been walking amongst the citizens of Little Rock for
going on eight years now, but keeping very under the radar.
And he goes by the name It's pretty cool shadow Vision,

(03:19):
and uh yeah, he's got some kind of Batman asked qualities.
He's got these gauntlets that have little fins on the side,
kind of like Batman's gaulllets, you know, the little little blades. Uh.
He appears to rock some kind of like riot gear
type equipment. Uh, not including the samurai swords that he
has in a few images that I've seen, but you know,

(03:39):
he's got handcuffs, kind of utility belt. Looks almost like
a swat guy. But he's got a really cool ballistic
looking helmet. Um almost like you remember those characters in
the Mortal Kombat game, sy Rex and the other one.
There were two kind of identical looking robots. One of
them was called Smoke, I believe later, but that was
an addition, yeah kind of Nina wasn't or they re

(04:02):
they redid him. They redid him as as one of
those sizes uh, those androids as well. So I just
remember he would like shoot bombs out of his chest
and he could like, well they all did that. But anyway,
this guy wants to mention he's rocking size on on
his uh pants. Yeah, oh that's right either that you're
talking about shadow vision. Yeah, yeah, let's see I have

(04:23):
I haven't seen a picture with the size um, so definitely,
you know, has some double threaten ninja turtle weaponry in
addition to this kind of sci fi you know, Judge
dread kind of helmet um and handcuffs. And he also
has Facebook page boasting a not incredibly unimpressive for a
niche kind of local vigilante, about five thousand followers on

(04:46):
his Facebook page. Um. But here's the thing, he's got
a nemesis fellas that's that's what what does it take
to really make a superhero come out of the shadows?
As we know, like with the Joker and Batman, you
gotta have a good nemesis. And his also has a
pretty pouki nickname. It's it's a pretty basic and descriptive,
like many serial killer names off it are. But it's
the Little Rock Slasher who has apparently been wreaking havoc

(05:08):
on you know and and uh spreading a campaign of
fear around Little Rock um with random serial stabbings, several
of which have resulted in death. No, no, no, guys,
what do you think, Like two deaths out of a
handful of incidents? Is that a serial killer? Something about
a cooling off period I've been reading about, Uh, it's
a little bit more of a spree killer, it sounds

(05:29):
to me, But I'm not sure it's a I think
the jury still out on whether he's a true serial
killer or not at this point. So based on what
we know, it sounds like we would definitely need more
information to dub this person a proper serial killer. But
I guess that's why the press has labeled him the slasher,
because he's definitely slashing there's no question about that. But
on his Facebook page, Shadow Vision issued a stern warning

(05:52):
to the the Little Rock slasher, saying that he was
keeping an eye on him. Um this is a threat
to you, he says. When I find you, I will
show you what I do to serial killers. I am
hunting you right now. He also claims to have to
have caught to serial killers in the past, unsubstantiated, I
believe before he came here because he is not a

(06:12):
US natives and not he's actually Scottish. And apparently I
haven't found any footage of him, I'm sure if I'm
not sure if he's talked directly of the press, but
he certainly posed for some pictures because he's got this
one where he's you know, got his katana's out and
is in like full ninja pose. Uh. Quite a few
images of this of this gentleman. Um. And uh, I've

(06:33):
heard that he has a very thick Scottish accent, which
would probably make it a little hard to be like
the one, like, you know, obviously Scottish dude in Little Rock.
If a few people knew him socially, it kind of
be you know, kind of dead giveaway. Not only did
he claim that he caught to other serial killers. He
claims to have exterminated them. Those are the words he

(06:53):
used on his Facebook, but we can't really verify that.
He also claims to have stopped several armed robberies. Oh yeah,
here's nothing like that. These um photos by Brian Chilton
with the Arkansas Times are all in the same location
and and quite a few different poses. So imagine that
he he did speak with him direct, although most of
the quotes here are attributed to his Facebook page. UM

(07:18):
so yeah, it's it's it's interesting, Like there's a whole
section of the article about his origin story. Uh, and
he claims to have specifically targeted Little Rock because he
heard about the crime and then the slashings, and that
he uh felt that the people of Little Rock were
losing hope and he wanted to come and restore hope

(07:40):
and you know, peace to the to the streets of
Little Rock, Arkansas. You know what's interesting is that he
is not the only person, uh living a life as
a as a purported costumed vigilante. He's got some critics
in a Little Rock who points out that there are
aspects of his self reported story that are substantiated. Um.

(08:02):
Some people have called him a con artist, but I
don't know if there's enough evidence for that. I do know,
I don't know if we ever talked about this man
at me have been you and I off air or something.
But there are people not just in the US, but
in in uh the UK and Europe as well who
dress up in costume to be vigilantes of some sort

(08:24):
of superheroes of some sort. My favorite is a guy
who just goes around, uh cutting off boots on cars,
you know that am mobilized cars that are parked illegally.
I think he's in England. That's all he does, but
he's documented doing that. I can get behind that. We've
talked about this. I feel like booting cars is like basically,

(08:44):
you know, I'm lawful seizure of property. Uh. So more
power to him, um. This guy. He also has an
Instagram accounts um real life superhero shadow Vision bit of
a mouthful uh, and he says he occasionally will team
up with a few other local Arkansas North Little Rock vigilantes,

(09:06):
one by the name of Master Legend uh and then
also won by the name of Anti Hero. But mostly
according to this article again by Austin Bailey UM published
on May seven. He works alone, but there's a twist
in the story. Gentleman uh this mass vigilante Um. While

(09:27):
clearly very quick on his feet and all about you know,
fighting crime and protecting the vulnerable Um, he is carless
at the moment um, and he has a PayPal link
on his site to help support Shadow Vision by donating
to his buy a new car fund. Says, my patrols
are pretty limited due to not having a vehicle. I

(09:48):
am raising money for a vehicle so I can patrol
more areas and help the citizens of n LR and
surrounding areas feel safe. So if anyone could donate, it
would be highly appreciative. He specifically was a sigh. He
wants a sign on XD because he says they're agile
and can take turns at high speed, and he's currently
accepting donations via cash, app and paper. I'm, you know,

(10:09):
giggling a little bit just because the whole like superhero
doesn't have a car thing. It's a little funny, but
I mean, the guy's heart seems like he's in the
right place, and there is a reward for the any
information leading to the capture of the slasher, so it is.
It is a serious, serious business. And I imagine, you know,
he seems to be targeting old folks too, so I mean,
it's no laughing matter. I'm trying to imagine, like crowdfunded superhero.

(10:33):
I bet a lot of people could get behind that.
If it's specifically for you know, purchasing a vehicle or something,
I don't know, that feels a little less a little
less um palatable maybe, But if it's just you know,
the way you would support any YouTuber or podcaster, patriots
or something, you know, I can imagine communities getting behind

(10:55):
even just the I don't know, the thrill of knowing
that there's a superhero prowling the streets in your neighborhood. Well. Also,
the anonymity is an issue because of the laws regarding
vigilantis um in the US. You'll see rumors on Facebook
or Reddit or wherever you want to dig that, uh,
he does have the tacit support of the police force,

(11:18):
which means at the very least he's not interfering with
their actions, one would imagine. But also, yeah, to the
point about having a noticeable accent, assuming that is his
real accent, which it doesn't necessarily need to be. That
would make him identifiable. The fact that he's getting so
much international press, He's in the Independent, he's in a
couple of other places. Uh, that also makes it a

(11:39):
little bit tougher to evade. If if you were listening
to this and you're thinking, I would like to be
a costumed vigilante, I would read up on your local laws.
I would find something specifically to make your cause, and
then I would also consider the proper steps to stay anonymous,
because like, if this guy has a phone on him

(12:00):
he's doing this, then the authorities know who he is.
You know what I mean, you're just not stopping him.
And me indeed look at him as an eccentric, but
a lot of the locals, some who have called him
and cod man, especially for the car thing. Another contingental.
Locals do believe he's legit and they like him for
one reason or another. But even if it's not specifically

(12:20):
stopping crime, they think it's a cool look for the city. Yeah,
it's interesting if you go to his his Facebook page,
which I was incorrected it wasn't an Instagram. I just
been reposted the thing that I saw, But it's real
life superhero shadow Vision. His handle is at Ancient Demons.
I'm not sure what that that's showing up on Facebook,
but that seems like an Instagram handle. But he's got
a lot of pictures posing with like just local folks

(12:43):
you know, that are asking for selfies. And then there's
a really interesting thing on here. It's a like a
poster for a concert at a place called Terminal Nation, um,
and also like an art show. It looks like a
fundraiser of some sort, but it looks like it's uh
sponsored by him and his colleague Masked Legend or master Legend,

(13:06):
excuse me, um, who looks to be wearing kind of
like a bucket hat situation, and also has some gauntlets
and some like you know, knee pads and stuff. But
I'm not quite sure what the purpose of this event is.
There's a bunch of metal bands, like pretty Big one
Paul Bearer, They're they're pretty famous, but this dude is
very metal, uh And also, um, they're gonna show a

(13:28):
screaming of Kiss meets the Phantom, which is a classic
hilarious can't be kiss movie. But yeah, I don't know,
it's interesting. You don't hear you don't hear much about
stuff like this, Mass vigilantes and Arkansas A little Rock
is the kind of last place I thought something like
this would come out of. But interesting story to keep
an eye on, for sure. You guys make a lot
of great points ben especially if if you are easily

(13:50):
identifiable by law enforcement, and you're also probably easily identifiable
by somebody who wants to, I don't know, do harm
to the local superhero, get some cred for themselves or something. Um,
that's I don't know, that's seems a little dangerous. I mean,
even if you've got weapons on you at all times
as this character, it's a it's a dangerous out there alone.

(14:14):
So I I can totally see why the concept of
avengering up with you know, master legend and anti heroes
probably a good idea actually, and working alone as a
vigilante probably not a great idea. Well, it's a it's
it's interesting because you know, I've been fascinated by this
for years. Right. The appeal of maybe not something like Batman,

(14:38):
but because money is a superpower, but something like The
Punisher is that it is not it is not something
that would be impossible for people to do. So I
remember um, I swear we could have done this earlier
on this show, or maybe it was some other show.
I do. There are these great list of people who
are self purported cost whom superheroes, none of whom have

(15:02):
you know, biological superpowers. But there's also if you want
to get a little bit of a more fun kick on,
more fun perspective on this without worrying about the very
real consequences of citizen or rest laws, check out the
reality show Who Wants to Be a Superhero? Do you
guys remember that? So on Sci Fi Stanley hosted shout
out to stand. It's no longer a business, but it was.

(15:24):
It was a fun watch if you're into reality TV
and you want to a Kardashian break. Was that one
that involved real life superpowers? Like the two part episode
that we did so many years ago that people seemed
to really dig I remember there was a Stanley show
curated by him that talked about real life superpowers. This
one like more of a competition. I'm not familiar. Yeah,
Who Wants to Be a Superhero is again a reality

(15:44):
show that was like people would do any any number
of trials to prove that they had superhero traits. And
no one there had biological superpowers. There are real biological superpowers.
As Knuel mentioned, super strength is real, unbreakable bones, weather resistance.

(16:07):
There are rumors that I could never verify in both
Vietnam and Australia of people who can go for prolonged
lengths of time without sleep. That's my favorite. And there's
super tasters, super seers, you know, tetra chromats like there.
There are real superpowers. Unfortunately, there are legal and ethical

(16:28):
constraints about experimenting on human beings. I understand why they're
there that prevent us from farming out these powers to
other populations at this moment, and then I was confused.
I'm not confused, but I just there is another Stanley
show called Stanley's Superhumans that does deal with folks that
actually have those abilities you're talking, and I think they

(16:49):
had to keep a lot of them anonymous. Like one
of the kids who had superpower, had super strength is
you know, ripped, but was like six years old at
the time, So they're not gonna publish that, but it's
on the way right on. Well, um, why don't we
pop to a quick sponsor break and then we'll come
right back with a little bit more strange news, and

(17:13):
we're back. Now we're going to jump from a shadow
vision to a very real systemic problem that many many
people are dealing with. Maybe you are dealing with it,
maybe you have yet to even think about dealing with
this problem, but it's something that you should be aware
of for the time when you're ready to tackle attempting

(17:34):
to own a home or to sell a home. And again,
that may not even be in the cards for you
right now, but at least you'll be armed with this
information moving forward. So there was an article coming out
of USA today. They were not the first people to
publish about this story, but it came from them pretty recently,

(17:56):
I believe it was. So we're gonna start with this story.
We're gonna move backwards in time a little bit. The
story is titled black homeowner had a white friend stand
in for third appraisal and her home value doubled. Okay,
so there's gonna be a lot of stuff we kind
of have to define here as we begin through this process.

(18:17):
If you've never gone about buying or selling a home,
you need to know that an appraisal on a home
is just essentially the value of a home that is
given to you by a specific person who works for
a company that all they do is a praise homes.
So they decide they give valuations for a home, and

(18:39):
the most important thing, the most important aspect currently to
the appraisal of a home is looking at comparable homes
that have been sold near the home that is getting appraised.
That it's, at least on paper, that's what it's supposed
to be. So let's say wherever you live in your neighborhood,
you're trying to sell your house, an appraiser is gonna

(19:01):
look at five, roughly other homes that are very as
close to you as possible, that have been sold recently,
that are common to your home, like how many bedrooms
are there, how many bathrooms are there, what's the square
footage of the home? That's really what they're looking at. Yeah,
they're also they're also um looking a little bit through
past trends and a little bit into what they see

(19:23):
as current market trends to an appraisal can be fluid.
That's the other part. But the big part I think
that we need to emphasize that you pointed out, Matt,
is that these appraisers are professionals they do not have
a stake in buying or selling your home. They're supposed
to be unbiased, just doing that one job. And the

(19:48):
reason this is important is well, you're saying, like, why
are they doing this? How the goodness of their hearts?
Obviously not. There's an appraisal fee that's usually paid by
the person who is borrowing from a bank to get
a mortgage to by a house. And then if they
and the reason they're doing this is a safety right,
if the praiser comes back and says, actually, you know
that house that you're putting a two dollar mortgage on, uh,

(20:13):
that house is only worth I don't know. A ludicrous
example would be like a hundred and twenty dollars, And
so the person would say, heck, no, I'm not paying
that much. Thanks that money I gave you was worth it, appraiser.
That's when everything works out. Well, yes, very true. So essentially,
an appraiser is a is a middle person between the
bank and the thing that's the entity that's going to

(20:36):
have to loan money or you know, pay money at
some point between that entity and the person that owns
the home. Um, you can get appraisal for a lot
of reasons to refinance a home if you just want
to get some equity out of it. That means like
some money. If you've paid a lot of money into
a home and you still owe the bank a lot

(20:57):
of money for it, but you've you know, your home
is appreciated in value, it's gotten more expensive than you
can use some of that money to do things like
improve your home, uh, and then it will hopefully get
more and more expensive down the line when you decide
to sell it. They are all kinds of things you
can do if you get equity in your home. It's
like having extra money, essentially, according to the bank. Now,

(21:19):
let's jump into the story a little bit, and then
we can probably go back to the nineteen thirties and
really talk about where appraisals came from. I think it'd
be worth it to get into the story first and
then talk about the history. So let's jump through here.
The individual that the USA Today article is about. Her

(21:40):
name is Carlette Duffy, and she had she had gotten
her home appraise twice and she felt, you know, just
looking at the other homes in her neighborhood, looking at
what she knew about the market, she had this weird
feeling that these appraisals have been super low. So the
first appraisal valued her home at a hundred and twenty

(22:00):
five thousand dollars and then she, you know, she knew
that was low. So she got appraised again and it
was valued at one and ten thousand dollars lower than
the first appraisal. Even so, she felt like, maybe there
was something going on here. As much as we don't
want to admit it, there are biases that still affect

(22:21):
a lot of institutions, a lot of large portions of
both the United States and the world at large, where
their biases against any person of color when it comes
to buying and selling a home. And that doesn't mean
it's everywhere. That doesn't mean it's every individual you know,
every realtor, every appraiser, every banker. But there is this,

(22:46):
there is a through line that has continued for decades
and decades where it's there seems to be an inequality
when it comes to how much a home is worth
or said to be worth when it is owned by
a white family or owned by a family of color.
So CARLTT suspected this might be what was occurring. So
what she did instead of you know, calling up an appraiser,

(23:08):
talking to somebody on the phone. She communicated only via
email to a third appraisal company of a third appraiser.
Then in her home, she removed anything that she considered uh,
signals of of her race, of her uh you know,
the culture that she identifies with. She removed all of

(23:29):
that stuff. So it was just as I don't know,
blank as you could possibly make it. Then she had
a white husband of a friend be there physically at
the home when the appraiser came to her house to
look at it and decide how much it was going
to cost. And this time the home was appraised at
two hundred and fifty nine thousand dollars. I mean, that's

(23:52):
that's over a hundred and it's double right, it's over
a hundred and twenty thousand dollars more than that first
appraisal a hundred only one example. Oh hey, well yeah,
well that's the thing. So this is one person that
went through this and essentially tricked the system. But again
it's a it's a tear, like imagine how horrible that is.

(24:13):
Remove yourself from a situation, all signs of yourself in
your life from a situation, and then you find out, oh,
without me, this home, according to this person or this
group or this company, is worth twice as much when
I'm not here. Yeah, that's that's the issue, Matt, because
there's you know, there's an excellent New York Times article

(24:36):
from that talks about a nearly identical situation with a
different price point. UM with U with the couple Albina
and Alex Horton, and there they had estimated their house
would a praise around four hundred and fifty thousand dollars
in Jacksonville, Florida, but then their first appraisal uh back

(25:00):
with the value of three hundred and thirty thousand dollars
and so um. Mrs Horton, who was an attorney too,
she did exactly what you're describing, and this may be
a story that Carlette was aware of earlier. Does exactly
what you're describing there. And then additionally she she her

(25:21):
husband have a six year old kid, right, so they
take the kid out to target and she leaves her husband,
who is white, alone at home to answer the door
for the appraisal. And they talked about how she replaced
all the paintings, she took books by black authors off
the shelves and then boom, this new appraiser gave their
home a value of four hundred and sixty five thousand dollars,

(25:42):
which is kind of in line with what you're saying.
That was more than so it's almost a fifty increase.
This is systemic, This is a real This is an
active conspiracy. You know, yeah, it really is um and
what's happening. I guarantee you car carl Let saw what
was going on because ABC seven, but that's based in

(26:04):
northern California, has been doing an amazing job putting this
stuff out there, so getting stories from individuals and families
that have been going through this and just showing how
often it occurs. It's it's really intense and once you
see it, you can't un see it. There's one reporter
got it right here. His name is Julian Glover. He's

(26:26):
a reporter and anchor with ABC seven There's News Bay Area.
He's just been going through story after story of this
appraisal discrimination and you can find him on Twitter. It's
Julian j U l I A N G as in
gator sorry. And then ABC seven that's on Twitter and
you can you can reach out to him if you've

(26:49):
got a story, which is really what's been happening. People
saw in Origin one of these original stories which was
about a very similar thing with a family going through this.
They this family, they put like a hundred and fifty
thousand dollars worth of work into a home. No, when
you when you owned your house, you did quite a
bit of work on it, right, Well, it was I

(27:11):
was just about to mention, like, in the same way
that an appraiser is hired to do a particular job,
it's often tied to the loan in some way. It's
the same thing with an inspection, you know, and you
always hear about scams potentially being run by like maybe
the inspector is not paid off. But like there's some

(27:31):
there are possibilities where there can be fraud even an inspection,
as as there obviously are with appraisals, because there are
things that can be overlooked or it's easy for a
place to pass inspection and actually have tons of pretty
serious problems, which my place did. Um just like rot
that have been covered up with like bondo on a deck,
you know, and like horrible, horrible roof problems. I had

(27:52):
to learn how to like you know, play shingles and
all this stuff. But um, all of this stuff I
think is exacerbated right now by what's going on with
COVID and like the increased demand for housing and this
kind of feeding frenzy. Uh to just sell as many
houses as quickly as possible and make as much money
as possible. I'm wondering, though, why would the house be

(28:14):
How does that benefit you know, the bank to undervalue
the house, Like, wouldn't they get more money if people
were taking a loan out to buy a more expensive house,
if this family was trying to sell And I'm trying
to understand the motivation. Okay, well maybe I missed the point.
Then who does it benefit. In many cases, these are

(28:35):
homeowners or people who have a mortgage you know, paying
a bank where they are attempting to either refinance their
home or they're attempting to get you know, like see
real equity in their homes so they can get money,
you know, to do other things. So really it is
in the bank's interest to say, no, it's not worth
that much. Actually you still owe sevent of your loan.

(28:59):
You can't get whatever, you can't get x out of
your home yet. But but the banks don't control the appraisers.
That's right. No, I understand that, but that's that's that's
the issue though, right, So we're saying this is just
in general a cultural bias, like how does it behoove
the the appraiser to to offer a lower appraisal? Well,
to really understand, you kind of have to go back

(29:20):
through history, like I was saying, the nineteen thirties. Uh,
this is around the time when our friend f DR
brought about the New Deal and a lot of things
that did help lower and middle class families, but there
are also a lot of problems with a lot of
the things put forward. Um, you can jump to there's

(29:40):
an article from home light dot com. It is titled
what does Racism have to do with Real estate Appraisals?
And in here it gives you a quick, really really
quick history lesson here about this. But it talks about
how when Roosevelt was president, there was uh quote, a

(30:00):
fundamental restructuring of the housing market that occurred there And
let's just read this to you. The government made homes
more affordable by changing the average mortgage term. So if
you're going out there and trying to buy a home.
Right now, you're probably going to get a fifteen year loan,
thirty year loan, something in you know, the decades essentially

(30:23):
of you making payments every month to pay off your
massive loan that you're gonna have to take out because
homes are day expensive. Um, but it used to be gosh,
what was it was like a six year loan. A
three year loan you would get on a home would
have been long, right, yes, exactly, would have been almost
unheard of. And that meant that a lot more people

(30:43):
got access to buying a home because now I don't
have as much money at one time as somebody who
used to be able to buy a home, but now
I can still afford a home by making these smaller payments,
just a lot more of them. So to a degree,
it democratizes, uh, the ownership class, or the ability to
get into the ownership class, which pretties was a different story.

(31:07):
But of course this occurs in the context of even
more prevalent open racism. I think, are we are we
getting to redlining? We are getting to redlining, But the
whole point is that it isn't a way to get there.
I think, yeah, but it increases the ability for people
to join that ownership class or the the homeowners class,

(31:29):
the landowners class, um, if you want to separate it.
That separated out that way. But what it does is
it separates groups, uh into neighborhoods essentially or you know,
really that's what it is. It puts boundaries around where
people live. And there was this whole, this whole concept

(31:49):
that there needed to be a formal assessment of the
value of a home, and there were these things that
were mocked up and then eventually created and set in
stone at least for a time. That were these maps,
these color coded maps that were created essentially of neighborhoods.
And these maps often referred to people call them redline maps,

(32:14):
redlining maps. Uh. They ranked neighborhoods with like the most
value or the least value, and it kind of changed
colors depending on what it was. And the one the
neighborhoods that were largely, if not only, occupied by white
middle class families were considered the you know, the top

(32:37):
tier essentially crem and this is before the Fair Housing
Act of nineteen sixty so this was all not only
was this all treated as though it were legal, but
also often the people who are victimized by this had
no real means of recourse, you know what I mean?
Like you, you can you afford the lawyer fees? Can
you afford the inevitable discrimination by law enforcement which will

(33:02):
also not get in trouble for doing very evils to you? Yeah?
But the problem, the real, real problem with this. I mean,
like like Ben said in the sixties, and it changed
a little bit, at least part of the process he's changed.
The problem is that everybody started from that one place.
When you're talking about home appraisals, home values in neighborhoods.

(33:24):
So when when a home is initially valued at thirty
dollars and you're living in this part of the neighborhood,
then you have the same stinking house. Let's say it's
the same builder, the same everything, but it's in this neighborhood,
and that home is worth a hundred and twenty thousand
dollars if you start there and now you move throughout time,

(33:48):
and that home began at that lower price and this
home began at this higher price. It's it really puts
anybody who buys that home at a disadvantage, and anybody
who buys the at her home at an advantage. I'm sorry,
I'm sorry if I'm missing missing this still, but like
if if the family already owns the house, they're trying
to appraise the house at a lower cost, Like, what

(34:11):
like the nefarious intent behind that they already own the
house is to hopefully they'll just leave wait the house,
Like yeah, well no, I'm asking you, Like, I mean,
if they're they're assessing the house because the person is
black at a lower value, Like, how does that feed
into this? This is that this idea of like resurgence
of redlining, well in a weird way, whether whether the

(34:35):
person making the appraisal is aware of it or it's
just something that's happening. The appraiser makes choices about which
homes to compare the existing home to write and maybe
it doesn't always have to be the home next door
the What is what seems to be happening is that
some people, whether they know it or not, and some

(34:56):
because they do know it, are choosing or accidentally because
of whatever practice, they are appraising these homes at a
much lower value because just because of what they're comparing
them too. Well, there may also be a proprietary system
used by an appraiser. This, this is the big deal
the in my opinion, it's just my opinion. I am

(35:18):
not an appraiser, um. Nor do I kick it heavy
with appraisers when we're not on air, you know, I mean,
I don't roll with a ton of appraisers. It's not
my clique. But it seems like the best thing to
do would be to transparently publish the rubric or the
variables that these appraisers use. Some companies may have a specific,

(35:41):
you know, almost automated method right where you just plug
in the following values into some equation resulting in X, right,
and one of those values maybe something about demographic information.
Do you want to point out this is not just
this is um you know, Matt, like you're saying people
of colors. So this is not just the black population

(36:01):
of the US, right, this is pretty much the entirety
of the non white population of the US or non
white passing. Because this does look like just what Macon
always sunny would call an ocular assessment. Uh, and this
has this has real results when you consider that, um,
that what the twenty eight team Brookings Institutions or Brookings

(36:24):
Institute study which found that that values of houses located
a majority non white neighborhoods were costing homeowners and average
of forty eight thousand dollars evaluation How these how how
based entirely on who lives in the house, no matter

(36:44):
what their job is. That's the other thing. It's not
like necessarily their income. It's just what the appraiser thinks
of their skin color. Uh. This led to um like
a twenty two dollar decline in house prices on average
for or black and Latin populations in nineteen eight from

(37:04):
while the average home value and predominantly you know, quote
unquote white neighborhoods rose by seventy three dollars. Like it
can be an unconscious bias by like person by person,
appraiser by appraiser, but that doesn't make it any less
real nor any less systemic. This is bad. It's really bad,
and it it affects It's one piece, but it really

(37:27):
does affect everything. Because if you if you look at Zillo,
if anybody's ever looked for a house on Zillo or
thought about looking at your own home on Zillo, or
you know, even if you're renting, you've probably checked out.
It doesn't like checkout Zillo or some other similar you
know app or and or website that looks at the
prices of homes because there's so many criteria that go

(37:49):
into the value of a home. There really are, and
a lot of it has to do with the schools
that are districted for that address. Uh, the you know,
the other things that are available in the area. But
a lot of it's kind of just invisible there. It's
just wow, this is a really expensive area. Oh wow,
this is a pretty cheap area. Some of it is unquantifiable.

(38:11):
It just seems weird for sure. But it's like, I mean,
what's gentrification, Like, you know, gentrification has a connotation to
it that's that's bad. You know, the idea that you're
forcing lower income people out because you know, hiring some
people are like blazing the trail to like improve these
run down parts of town. There. To me, gentrification asn't
inherently somewhat potentially racist quality to it at times? Would

(38:36):
you agree? Or am I overthinking it? Yeah? I think
we're on board there, uh for sure, for sure, because
it comes down to tax dollars that go into the
local government that can then fund all this other stuff
to make it a nice neighbor to blah blah blah.
But what I'm saying is it all of it kind
of affects the other part, the other things in the society. Right,
It's where you end up having such inequality in different

(38:57):
groups of people who live right next to each other. Um,
it's just it's awful. I'm I'm not the right person
to talk about this, Uh, just raising my hand to
say that, but I would just say it's something that
is worth keeping your your eye on and being aware of.
And there are a few things you can do if
you're ever experiencing anything like this. There are people you
can reach out to. Uh. There are fair housing advocates

(39:20):
all over the place. You can find them in your
state wherever you live. Specifically in California, there's the Fair
Housing Advocates of Northern California who have been instrumental to
help to helping a lot of these families get a
new appraisal of their home and you know, coming to
terms with the Department of Housing and Urban Development, which

(39:40):
is really who you had to put a formal complaint
in with when something like this happens. And there's this
thing called a reconsideration of value that you can petition
for and you can you can get a lot of
times if you think you're you know, you're a victim
of somebody giving you a massively low appraisal on your home. Uh. Yeah, Anyway,
there's things you can do, and like I said, reach

(40:03):
out to Julian Glover if you've got a story, because man,
they're they're going ham over there at ABC seven just
writing about this every every month, you know. I I
think the steps are pretty clear. A good way to
fight this. I don't know if it will happen. Publish
all appraisal data from every appraiser, you know, make it searchable, right,

(40:24):
you should be if you're getting someone to appraise your home,
you should be able to look at their history of
how they have appraised houses or any house. And I'm
sure there's there are numerous reasons why we can't have
that sort of transparency, but that sort of transparency would arguably,
I mean, it would inarguably help these people on a
local level who are getting swindled for no reason at all,

(40:48):
no compelling reason. And then, you know, because that kind
of change only happens when it's more profitable for the
people in power to make that change. I would say
right now. If you find yourselves in this situation, as
my said, reach out to the press. And also while
you're reaching out, go ahead and reach out to the
Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, reach out to HUD the Department

(41:10):
of Housing and Urban Development as well. Uh, they have
dedicated departments that are supposed to help combat these things.
It's just they don't have as much visibility as they should,
you know, especially like when you're buying or selling a home.
It's it's such a stressful experience, you know, it can
be really tough. But I also want to commend all

(41:30):
the all the people who refuse to take this lying down,
laying down, lying down, all the people who refused to
take this in a horizontal land or prom position. There
you go. Just keep in mind there's a story out
of the ABC seven where one family got an appraisal
of an extra five hundred thousand dollars worth of value

(41:52):
in their home after they got it reappraised, and it
was because they faked having a white family live in
that home. Rather than them make that appraisal stuff public,
make it public. It's the only way. There's a Reddit
thread that jokes about like, uh, there's some there's some
people and they're joking, Hey, need some white friends to
pose as you so you can get lots more money

(42:14):
on your house. Just send me a send me a message,
I'll show up. I'll work for beer and pizza. Um. Like,
that's a that would be a really interesting side model while,
you know, while the whole industry corrects itself. It's tough though,
because you can only do so many houses before you
get back agnoice. You will you you just have to

(42:37):
rotate throughout you know, the United States really just rotate everybody.
I don't know, it's just crazy. It's crazy. It's really crazy.
Speaking of the industry correcting itself, I mean, I think
a lot of folks are expecting because of such rampant
unemployment that COVID was going to cause, you know, a
buyer's market as opposed to the clear seller's market and

(42:57):
the run on housing. I mean, I guess people weren't
thinking of this ecological impact of it, where folks that
did remain gainfully employed and had to work from home
were like desperate to like, you know, change their surroundings
or you know, live in a situation that had more
of a conducive homework environment that didn't like sit in
their living room table, you know, every day or whatever.
But because of that run, I've been hearing all these

(43:18):
horror stories of you know, people literally waiting in line
overnight to to see you know, open houses. And then
the worst thing that I heard was that you know,
someone that I know, um was gonna make an offer
in the house and there was no way they could
match the cash offer that the next up, you know,
kind of most competitive cash offer, and the person said, well,

(43:39):
if you wave your right to an inspection, you can
get it for this or like you know, we'll we'll
accept that offer. And it's like, wow, that just seems
really crooked to me, like it shouldn't be legal. Seller's
markets do things that I don't like. So well, we'll
see how this whole thing plays out right now, but yes,

(44:00):
please please keep in mind to be aware and tell
us what you think about this whole thing, and we
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and we have returned. One more note before we go
into this, um my my segue here for the record,

(44:21):
fellow conspiracy realist, is the importance of transparency. You'll see
what we mean in a moment. But another word, Um,
something I think often gets confused when people talk about
the rise in house prices is that it's a it's
a ripple or knock on effect of the rising cost

(44:42):
of materials because the world really was on pause for
a time, which means that the mills were not producing timber,
which means that concrete productions slowed down. Construction in general
slowed down. It's gonna take a while to catch up.
And that that is simply a mathematical reality. But yes,
transparency for appraisers, that's I think that's the best way

(45:03):
to try to fix it. But today's final story, it
is about transparency. Uh. You may have seen, folks that
about a week ago after today's episode airs sixty minutes
did something amazing, the mainstreamed the idea of disclosure. If
you're listening to the show, and if you've listened for

(45:24):
a number of years, then I have no doubt you
were very familiar with that. The concept of disclosure simply
describes the following the idea that some private entity or
a government or multiple governments has been aware of some
sort of hidden technology. Sometimes they'll say built by time travelers, extraterrestrials,

(45:46):
extra dimensional entities, or just technology. The human beings have
indeed hidden from themselves. People finally admitting what that's about
and and saying, hey, we you know, we ran into
aliens in the nine ease. They were chill, but they
told us to wait till because in certain reason here

(46:06):
that that kind of public speech is the dream of
people pine for disclosure. And for a long time, especially
the last several years, we've been in kind of a
wait and see. We've always had one shoe left to
drop on the idea of disclosures. Multiple reports of things
have been coming out, including the Pentagon secret program to

(46:29):
monitor what they call Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon. I guess because
UFO was too cool for government documentation, they had to
make it a little more boring. Uh in you know,
I'm being rude to them. Really it's because phenomenon means
it doesn't necessarily have to be an object smart. We
interviewed Jeremy Corbell, who is great guy who talked about

(46:52):
some of this. I think originally we talked with him
about off world implants back in October. Do check out
our interview with him and check out his newer documentaries
as well. Uh. He had some he had some sand
in the story, and he had he was pretty prescient anyway.
The sixty Minutes Peace interviews Luisa Alazando, who all the

(47:15):
upologists and the crowd are familiar with. He had been
running the a TIP Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program, and
he has been working with Tom DeLong, working with Two
the Stars Academy and several other places after his government
career too. I wouldn't say popularize, but to draw attention

(47:36):
to the fact that Uncle Sam does and has been
monitoring and tracking stuff it sees in the sky and
in the oceans or the skies and the seas. If
we want a little bit more you know, um more
literation there uh, and no one knows what it is. Officially,

(47:56):
Nobody in Alsando's crew, nobody in the in the any
branch of the US government seems to really know what's
going on. Multiple Senators, multiple presidents have asked about it,
and their answers have always been bub kiss or maybe
very confidentially. If someone like Harry Reid, you'll get something like, well, Senator,
if you can give us a few million dollars, we

(48:17):
can try to figure out what's going on. How about
twenty two million? Well, official twenty two million official dollars.
So what you see if you watch this sixty minutes segment,
which I do highly recommend. Um, did you guys see it?
You guys watch Ye. I've read the transcript essentially or
the overview, but I've not watched it yet. Yeah. I

(48:39):
prefer reading transcripts personally. It's just so much faster than
television show. But Alasando loosely categorizes the kinds of capabilities
these things seem to have. They can do six to
seven G forces, fly thirteen thousand miles an hour of
aide radar, and then he says they can fly through
air and water and possibly space. Interesting distinction because they

(49:04):
haven't documented these things at least during eight tips time
as traveling through space, just through the atmosphere and another
big one is no sign of propulsion. So Congress has
ordered the Pentagon to come clean June one. I think
it was maybe specifically Marco Rubio, but anyway, the Pentagon's

(49:25):
on the hook. They've got to come out of there,
you know, whatever spot they're they're in in the world's
largest office building, which is still a weird fact that
trips me up. And then they have to say, here's
what we have, here's the way things gonna happen. For
the more I guess weary in the crowd, this is
just gonna be another jam tomorrow, Jam yesterday, never ever

(49:46):
jam today's situation because previous disclosures haven't gone super far,
you know what I mean. No one has said we
think there are extraterrestrials. But now we're at a point
where people work with the government, you know, as pilots,
as intelligence agents and so on, are genuinely saying yes,

(50:07):
something is definitely amiss. Everybody knows about it. We don't
know what's going on. So I was, I was thinking
about this, and I wanted to this will this will
be old news for people with friends with me on Twitter,
but I wanted to walk you guys through some possibilities
and get your take. I see four main categories of

(50:30):
probability here, in no particular order. Number one misidentified mundane phenomena.
This is the number one explanation for the majority of
civilian sightings, but it doesn't explain everything because witnesses here
are trained professionals with onboard tech explicitly designed to identify

(50:51):
stuff in the sky. Ben, did you just coin that
term mundane misidentified phenomena or is that like official? That's
why I think it is. But I mean, m MPs.
It's about as sexy as uh unidentified aerial phenomenon, you
know what takes me And I mean it's It's true though,
like even even the three of us who are familiar

(51:11):
with this world, uh, we would need to be really
careful to make sure that we weren't you know, mistaken
about an optical illusion, right or ball lightning. You know,
I've mentioned this in the show before, and I swear
to God I'm going to dig it up. But I
recently located a big bag of DV tapes that I
used to have. I used to like, you know, have
the handheld DV camcorder. And I was on a tour

(51:34):
once and you know, I was shooting out the window
of cornfields in Nebraska. I saw a thing like it
was like a hovering kind of like triangular kind of
like had like pointed uh corners um sort of transparent
but oft in the distance, and it was very flat
land and it just seemed to hover there way off
in the distance for quite a while. And I got
it on video and I showed her to some people

(51:54):
and they didn't know what the hell it was. But
easily it could have been some kind of optical illusion.
It was a part of to aim that I wasn't
used to. Maybe I wasn't used to the way things
looked on the horizon. I don't know. I'm not dismissing
it entirely, but I do want to find that tape
and share it with you guys. But I would love to,
and I'm gonna dig through and I've got I've got
the power supply for this camera. I just gotta go

(52:15):
through all these tapes. Um. But yeah, I tend towards
that explanation. But I know that there's a lot of
technology and things that you know, it's probably stuff that
we're developing that that hasn't been you know, hasn't been
revealed to the public yet, or that that's my I
mean to me, if it was from another country, it
would have been you know, shot down. Um, So I

(52:36):
don't know if that's I think it's one of those
possibilities either mundane uh misidentified mundane phenomenon, or just stuff
that we don't know about yet that we're catching a
glimpse of because they're testing it I'm gonna go with
the false flag extraterrestrials. Let me yeah, let me wat
you guys through the other The other genre is a possibility. Okay,

(52:59):
So so I it's weird because I had them in
this order. So number two possibility human made secret tech.
It is inarguably true, right that governments and some private
entities have tech the public is not yet aware of.
Even a lot of navy or airmen aren't aware of. Right, yeah, exactly,
because this is the world of compartmentalized information a k

(53:22):
A need to know. So if they're the thing is, yes,
there is tech like that out there. I have surprisingly
solid confirmation and corroboration that DARPA have video capable smartphones in,
which is wild when you think about it. But like,
so that's that's one thing that's not the same as

(53:44):
a UFO, right or zero point energy or something like that.
But the other problem with the idea of human made
secret tech is that governments run by humans currently for now,
and humans are in general just terrible at keeping secrets there,
like worst at it. And this means, you know, this
means that if you had highly advanced technology the in

(54:07):
you're a military for instance, which is an assumption. Then
your the entire reason you keep that stuff secret is
so that you could use it more effectively. And when
it starts being witnessed in the field, you enter into
a shot clock of court of sorts. Right, this time
starts ticking between the moment a stealth bomber is spotted

(54:28):
and the moment enemy forces figure out what it is
and how to shoot it from the sky. So it
doesn't really Number two maybe doesn't get us there. My favorite,
We'll just give this one space because I think all
of us love it. Non human technology is the most
general way I can phrase it. It's the crowd favorite

(54:48):
is the least likely. There's no proof yet. If there
was any proof, it would be the single most exclusive
moment in human history. We would all be looking at
each other and we would say, what a time to
be a live and no one would be being sarcastic
about it that day. Right, people would say, we're living
the dream and this would be the first time in

(55:09):
history they mean it. That would be amazing. Is also
a nightmare. Pretty yes, we might not have enough time
to talk due to like dark forest theory, why would
something come from far away or from somewhere else, etcetera. Uh,
there's something else, you know. If no one can explain

(55:30):
the sightings through these other explanations, then a lot of
people are going to default to the explanation that it
must be aliens or extra dimensional beings somehow non terrestrial.
But still at this point no official proof unless you
know Bigelow comes forward and says, okay, well, actually show
you this stuff that we keep claiming. We have the

(55:52):
fourth one fourth explanation and sadly one of the most
likely an intentional distract action from ongoing geopolitical, all too
earthly woes in UM in several decades, it is going
to suck even more to try to survive in certain
parts of the world, and if you want to, if

(56:15):
you world governments are also very good at pulling a
pay no attention to the man behind the curtain kind
of vibe this explanation saying that UAP disclosure stuff and
what's coming up next month is nothing more than a distraction.
It is not based on proof, it's based primarily on

(56:35):
historical precedent. And we can't say it's definitely the play. Now,
we can't say it's a little cynical to assume it.
But we can't call people who say it's a false
flag crazy because it's proven. Governments have been happy, more
than happy to do this in the past, to try
to what what's the phrase, to try to wag the
dog kind of situation, you know, Like, it's no secret

(56:58):
that various world leaders do engage in foreign conflicts as
a way to shore up their domestic support. It's disgusting. Um,
it's reprehensible, and if I believed in an afterlife, I
would wish them the worst for it. But it's a
strategy that works very well. So that's where I see.

(57:19):
So when I hear you guys talking about this, I
hear uh. Noel, I hear you saying number two, maybe
some suppress but all too human technology. And Matt, I
hear you saying, maybe a false flag. Number four, Maybe
it's something, Um, what was that? Maybe it's a blue
beam of sorts, right, No, dude, I'm saying it's false

(57:41):
flag to the tenth degree. We're talking actual extraterrestrials pretending
to be skunk Works advanced materials. No, I'm just joking. Eye, Um,
we're seeing a false flag by aliens to be other aliens.
Are faking an alien invasion, or they're they're pretending to

(58:05):
be advanced skunk Works vehicles that only skunk Works knows about.
So then skunk Works is suppressing all of this stuff
and and it's or it's a it's a hazing ritual
right with Like, Okay, they're getting close to building machines
that can take them out of the solar system. Time

(58:27):
for the good old Hazy. I don't know what an
alien idea of Hazy. I'm being completely serious now. I'm
sorry for all the joking and my dogs every time. No,
I think your dog is just a fan of us riffing.
If you ever, if you ever hear a barking dog,
not not just on this show, but in your life,
and you want like a little tiny eco boost, uh,

(58:47):
tell yourself that dog is laughing at some joke you
made earlier. Oh, perfect, it just took a minute to
sink in. I get it. I guess it's a nice
little you know, imaginary feather in my delusion cap. Yeah, sure, sure,
I was just thinking weirdly about cross species joke landing

(59:12):
and there's something there. I'm not sure what it is yet. Um,
you can furnish the joke later on your own time. So,
but have you guys seen the Triangle UFO video. I don't.
I can't remember if we mentioned that on this show before.
It was a newer one that got be classified. And
dang if that one isn't intense, man, that's the one
that made me think of the thing that I saw,
because it really did look like almost like a like

(59:35):
a polygon or something, you know, like it had this
like um old school eighties video game kind of like
flight simulator vibe too. And I'm gonna stop talking about
until I can put my money where my mouth is
and generate this tape for you guys. But that is
the memory that I have when I saw that video
you're talking about that, it immediately made me think of
that thing that I saw. Dude, it's a higher dimension.

(59:55):
It's like a hypercube, guys. That's what we don't realize.
It's a hypercube. No, we're going to timecube space. So
I mean that's that's the thing that's interesting too, because
you know, no I get from when you've described this
in the past, I feel like this definitely looked like
a physical object to you, not not simply a light right.

(01:00:16):
You could see the shape and then yeah, so so
that's what this this video looks like to you know,
when we were looking at some of these initial reports,
we spent some time dissecting or parsing to the best
of our abilities objects that came from cockpit imagery, right,

(01:00:36):
And some of them looked like high altitude detection devices,
but they were missing the part of the balloon set
up that actually detects stuff, you know what I mean.
It didn't have didn't have all the sensory junk hanging
on the bottom, and we couldn't tell how whether or
not it was moving and how based on based on

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the short clips. So I mean, I don't know. Honestly,
I'm stumped. I tried to approach it with a very
rational mindset, and none of those four big genres of
explanation that landed on with the information we have at
this time explain what on Earth is happening? What off

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Earth is happening? Uh? And and again the interesting thing
is that nobody is saying they see these things in
space yet pending that next report, all of these government
officials are saying they're seeing things in the atmosphere and
the oceans, and it is true that the U. S.
Military is experimenting with submersible drones, but these things don't

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The way these things move if the expert reports are correct,
and they are accidentally, you know, confusing something mundane for
something extraordinary, the way these things move should be impossible
under what we understand about current propulsion systems. And if
it is human made, somebody did somehow keep a secret,

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and uh, the government doesn't know about it. As our
friend Matt scientists Pod brought up earlier online that says
some really terrifying things about military readiness. That awe. Yeah,
Chris coxwell, that is a that is a gap that
cannot be crossed. Yeah, but dude, you know you've seen

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those little videos of NASA from the old Shuttle missions.
Come on, I've seen some weird stuff up there, man.
That's true. That is true. And astronauts do reports seeing
unexplained things, or they don't repeat. They don't report anything
because they can't they're not allowed to. Man. Yeah. The
first thing that happens, the first thing that happens on

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right as you descend back to Earth is a video
starts playing unidentified man in a black suit and sunglasses
has pictures of your family, and he says it would
be great to see them again. And all you have
to do is not see some other stuff, right, and
then verbally consent, you know, just like sitting by the

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emergency plane exit, you have to give a verbal yes
they are down for it, um because otherwise, you know,
reentry is tough. A lot of things don't make it.
I don't I don't think. I don't think people get
the last minute mafia hard sell, right, is they're returning
to Earth, that's surely somebody would have said something about that. Yeah.

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And I also, um, sorry, I'm being somewhat joking about NASA,
but there is questionable footage that is a bit weird
that we looked at a while ago. Doesn't mean NASA
is hiding anything necessarily, but it is a little weird.
So what would they That's the thing, there's something there,
appears to be something there. Will learn more. I think
that one of the best things we can reasonably hope

(01:03:59):
for is data from sensory components, right that are on board,
from sensory components, uh so, like confirmation of infrared, which
is already out there. A couple of other bells and
whistles that might corroborate what people are seeing with their eyeballs.
But honestly, you know, I have a hard time figuring
out what would be released, you know, specifically, is it

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just gonna be a mystery? And if there is, if
there are really objects unidentified in the sky, and they
appear to be moving in intelligent ways or as though
they are directed by an intelligent operator, then what are
they doing up there? You know what I mean? They
don't seem to be aggressive. If anything, it seems like reconnaissance, honestly,
reconnaissance or test flights. But why to what end? Let

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us know what you think, folks. I know went a
little long, but I believe this is important and I
know it is of utmost interest to a lot of
our fellow listeners in the audience today. They do appear
to be monitoring military operation, yes, and there were there
were stories of increased up activity during the global nuclear

(01:05:08):
build up of the Cold War. There were also reports
that some of these, uh, some of these appearances were
correlating with this is just a rumor. I don't have confirmation,
but they were correlating with failure of some of those
nuclear weapons. I'd love to see, dude, I'd love to
see if anyone is keeping track of the skies right

(01:05:30):
around is Real and Palestine right now, just there's there's
so much you feel like a lot of people are well,
there's so much hot combat occurring. I wonder if anyone
is monitoring specifically for that, monitoring the skies for anything
strange right now. Um. Yeah, that's a really good point.
Let us know if you're aware of that. Um, well,

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if you're aware of anything that can be released, because
I'm certain there are a lot of eyes on there
at state level and private entity. But will that information
be shared? It's tough, you know, Um, So let us
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