February 15, 2021 • 53 mins
The small town of Oldsmar, Florida barely escapes disaster when a hacker remotely compromises the system, creating dangerous levels of chemicals in the drinking water -- implying potential for other disasters like this in the future. Scientists prove naked mole rats have accents. Officer Valerie Cincinelli stands accused of hiring a hitman to murder her ex-husband, as well as a teenage girl. All this and more in this week's Strange News segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Noel. They called
me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer
Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you.
You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
want you to know. It's the top of the week,
which means it is time for some strange news. We're
(00:46):
learning more about the animals we share the world with
in a very interesting way. We're learning more about corruption
in law enforcement, and perhaps in case you may not
have heard of, uh, this is one that Matt said
will terrify people with a significant other. And we have
a breaking report as we record today about a would
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be active supervillaining that's very plausible and it came very
close to uh killing people. And that's where we're starting. Okay, yes,
very well then, gentlemen. UH So, you may or may
not be familiar with the town of Old Smart, Florida.
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It's not super big. It has a population of thirteen thousand,
five hundred and nine. It is if you look at
it on a map, it's part of Penellis County, which
is faith It's on the Gulf side of Mexico side
of Florida. So if you're looking the map, it's on
the left. Uh, it's it's not Panhandle country. It's it's
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kind of in the scoop out of the Gulf and
clear Water and St. Petersburg. Shout out scientology. We don't
believe scientology is involved with the story you are about
to hear today. But again, this is fresh baked news.
This town is like many towns in the US. It
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has infrastructure, right, It has traffic lights, it has sewage,
it has electricity. It also has water treatment, waste treatment.
Anybody has looked into conspiracy theories about fluoride and what
exactly goes into your local tap water is aware that
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water treatment plants are one of those. They're one of
those boring things to protect, you know what I mean, Like,
no one everybody wants to save, uh, the the beautiful
building or the historic monument. But the whales. The whales, Yeah,
we're the fuzzy, big eyed mammals. But no one wants
to really wants to make a news story about just
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how vulnerable our waste water and water treatment plants are.
Here's what happened. Someone remotely accessed the city's water treatment
system very recently in Old Smarre, Florida, and they just
through this hack, just through this exploit, they were able
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to increase the amount of sodium hydroxide by a factor
more than one hundred in in the water system. Uh.
Sodium hydroxide is the fancy name for what we call
lie L y E. Lie is used in very small
amounts to control the acidity of water. But it is
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also you know, most recognizable to a lot of us
as an ingredient in household cleaning supplies. It's also a
product many true crime fan buffs out there might recognize
as being used when disposing of bodies. Yeah, back in
the day when it was way easier to get rid
of a body. I'm telling you, guys. But the point
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of this is the point of this is that, if
you want to picture it and simplify terms, perhaps oversimplified,
someone without ever physically entering this treatment system, someone was
able to pour drain cleaner into the town. So they
made it such that people were possibly drinking possibly drinking
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drink cleaner from a faucet. And then of course, if
there's a refrigerator that makes ice cubes automatically, that's that's
another factor that plays in why are we being somewhat
living cheerful describing this? Well? In this case, this one time,
it turns out that they were able to prevent this
disaster from occurring. This like super villain breaking bad level
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plausible scheme. Uh. The city's water supply was thankfully not
affected because there was a supervisor at the water treatment
plants who, like many of us these days, was working remotely,
working from home. And picture this guy. He's just got
his computer screen up right, it's like at water levels
and uh, the picture whatever metrics who want to picture here?
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Let's go early two thousand's Hacker movie, and let's just
say there's a screen that cartoonishly explains what's going on
because they can't do exposition vo or whatever, it's not
the right part of the story. This guy is looking
at the screen and he sees the sodium hydroxide level
just sort of me and he goes, oh, dang, good thing,
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I don't have to put my pants on and go
over there delete UH. City officials today said that they
had instituted several safeguards after this. They want to going
forward have a system to prevent any water that could
have been contaminated from reaching the public, and they also
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hopefully will be a little more mindful of how people
are able to access their system. At this point, nobody
has been arrested. There are some leads. No one knows
why Old Smart Florida was targeted in this attack, and
other infrastructure hubs are on the lookout in Dallas and
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in adjacent counties. It's weird because the authorities are saying
that even if they hadn't caught this, it would have
taken more than a day, more than twenty four hours
for this water that was being processed with LIE to
enter the water supply. This story is interesting. We don't
have we don't have all the details yet because it
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literally was happening today before we recorded UH. If if
the LIE did enter the waters apply in this concentration,
it could cause massive damage to people's skin. It could
cause hair loss. This is according to the National Center
of Biotechnology Information. Most importantly, folks ingestion of this stuff,
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as we know from crimes of previous decades. Ingestion of
this stuff can be fatal. It eats bodies. This got
me thinking, you know, wanted to share this story with
you guys. This got me thinking about the bigger picture. Like, um,
years ago on car stuff, I learned that it is
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terrifyingly easy for someone to hack into your local municipalities
traffic light system. Like it's stupid easy. It's weird that
it doesn't happen more often. But what do you guys
think about this story? Like, do you what's your opinion
on the water supply in general? Were very lucky in
this country to be able to drink directly from a
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faucet in most places outside of Flint, Michigan. I agree.
I will say this that, like my daughter refuses to
drink tap water. Um, I think the tap water in
my house tastes pretty good, but she is convinced that
it is poisonous. M hmm. Well, we know, we know
that there's a certain level of allowable stuff in any
water system because it's nearly impossible to remove it at scale,
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like remove everything completely at scale. Um. Perhaps one of
the reasons why what would what would you call those
like at the tap filtration at the refrigerator level. Yeah,
brita filter or even becoming very popular now are filters
that you actually put on your house, like underneath your
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house that adds an extra level of filtration to all
water coming into your home. Um, it makes sense. I
think I have I have a cousin who she's got
like an eight level filtration system for all of her
water that's that's considered potable that she will drink and shed,
and it's it's incredible and intricate, and the water tastes
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fine when it comes through the system. It tastes very
similar to me, to to other water produced in her area.
But it's you know, there's a level of anxiety about it,
I think because we kind of all know now that
fact that there's gonna be some stuff in there. Yeah. Yeah,
you're absolutely right, Matt. Uh. The thing about most retail filters,
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or many retail filters, and we're not selling these here. Uh,
the thing about most of those is that they do
not filter out heavy metals, right, even if you are
even if you're someone who has a life straw, it's
a tremendous device. Even if you're someone who has a
life straw in your go bag or something like that
that will allow you to drink from still water and
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it will kill many biological contaminants. But even with the
top notch outer treatment of Europe or the US, etcetera,
what you'll see is that the water post treatment still
contains things like aluminum or copper, iron, lead, pesticides, sometimes
geranium for that tang and and these contaminants all composed
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dangerous side effects. But people working in water treatment are
top notch with the research on this. The allowable parts
per million threshold. It's not something arbitrary, nor is it
something made up out of thin air like we've seen
in our earlier show on Mead Nebraska. Men, what would
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you consider this an act of domestic terrorism just like
a really mean spirited pranc Yes, s it's an act
of domestic terrorism technically, Yeah, for sure. It is pretty
astounding that these systems that you could control chemicals like
that remotely, like there they exist with with a some
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kind a VP and access or some kind of you know,
remote access built into them. That's that's kind of creepy.
What positive factor does the LIE have anyway? Why is
there a LIE tap going into the water supply that
I missed that. I mean, they can't imagine the filtration
is like variable? Are there is it saying that like
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the hacker essentially changed a parameter that allowed more LIE
to get through the filters, or actually introduced more LIE
into the water supply. What it seems to be is
that they were able to do both. They were able
to influence the constraints of the measurement, which inherently allowed
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more LIE into the system. Why they did it, we
don't know. You know, one of the easiest, lowest hanging fruits,
as far as a lead would go, would be maybe
a disgruntled employee, someone who had the knowledge of the thing.
At this point, we don't know how much other stuff,
if any, this hacker did, But we do know, and
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I think it's instructive for all of us listening today.
We do know that these systems. Of course, because they
are boring and necessary, they are not subject to a
lot of scrutiny as much as they should be. Like
we have people focused on making sure the water is
safe to drink. We don't have people focused on making
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sure the water system is secure, you know, like like, uh,
when we talk about fluorite in the water, we got
into the weeds on how many parts per million are
are allowed to exist right in your drinking water and
why it's there, and people still have a problem with that. Luckily,
I mean it was a supervisor that caught this on
on a on a you know whatever, like an interface
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if you're working remotely, and I was able to see
the parameter being changed. We you did say this, Ben.
At the very top of that, there are small, small
amounts of LIE used to help reduce the acidity of
water supply. So obviously they've got a supply of it
somewhere that's being fed in the same way they like
fluoride and other you know, uh compounds that go in
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and help treat the water. But yeah, that's a nasty one, man.
I can imagine if they succeeded and flooded the supply,
people would have been like getting you know there, their
esophagus is like corroded. Yeah. Yeah, Well the good thing
is what Ben, I think we talked. I don't know
if you mentioned this, the relative number of people that
could have been affected there in Old Smar. It was
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it was so, I know, it's a handful of or
many businesses. But then about fifteen thousand residents. So there.
The good thing is that they're kind of separated away
with the old Smar water treatment facility to get their water.
That's what was affected, not the larger Penellas County uh
water systems. Right, And when I mentioned that supervisor at
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the top who caught this and prevented this disaster, Um,
you know, I hope you're listening, sir or madam whoever
you are. H I'm sorry that we don't know your
name yet, but in my book, you're a hero and
that's a hell of a thing to learn at eight
am in the morning. So so, like I always say,
you know, picture that remote access screen. One interesting note
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here is that, of course, if that person who works
there is able to access this system remotely, then it
follows that is not impossible. We're a bad actor to
access this. And think about if someone is motivated enough.
Think about how easy it is to set something up
such that you never see a red light again, it's
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all green lights when you're driving. Think about how easy
it is to shut down parts of an electric grid, right,
electricity grid. We need to be aware of this stuff
and not to be super dystopian about it. But I
can see many more of these things on the way,
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and a lot of them happen and don't get reported
outside of your local news. So stay safe, folks. Also,
don't hack your water system. And if you want to
give everybody in your global neck in the woods some
kind of crazy psychedelic experience, just know this. You probably
will not be able to control the dosage. First off,
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you'll need a ton of it. It's walking through why
you shouldn't do this. You also won't be able to
guess the ripple effects or the consequences, because water is
like that baby Sharks song, It goes everywhere. And with that,
we're going to pause for a word from our sponsor
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more of the strange news you depend on. That's right,
I went there. I'm doing the hard hitting story today
about wait for it, tiny little wrinkly naked baby rat
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mole things. I'm sorry, mole rats whatever there. It's so creepy, guys,
I know, I don't know. Do you think they're cute?
I gotta no mole rats. I'm not expert and cute,
but I think they would they would find us, uh,
probably repulsive. Too, because we got all this air. We're
your suit pen. You are a master diplomat when it
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comes to these things. That was expert hedging, and I
commend you on that, Matt. I'm gonna need you to
have a hard, hard opinion on this one, buddy. Um, Yeah,
these things are adorable. My son loves them. Whoa And yeah,
I mean he can go to the zoo and stare
at them all day long. They look like Freddy Krueger
meets nos Feratu with no hair, and they're perfectly pink,
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and they have these cartoonish little pepper pig noses and
weird little salamander fingers. And but here's the thing. They
it's a trade off for these little guys because they
may be you know, monstrosities, tiny monstrosities admittedly, but they're
like noon invincible. Uh. They they live you know like
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I had a Gerbil lived for like three months. You know,
these things for their size and the type of creature
they are with their their analogous you know to to
mice or rodents, you know, Uh, they live for like
thirty years. Um. They they don't ever see the sun,
which maybe has something to do with it. But they
also have apparently like like um, wolverine level like DNA
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repair self repair capabilities, UM, to the point where they're
actually studied for a lot of things, one of which
is potentially learning something about how that DNA repairs itself
in an effort to harness it for treating things like cancer.
Another thing is they're pretty much blind. Their their eyes
are so small and squinty as to practically don't exist. Right,
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that's right. They can barely hear um. And that's because
their ears can't amplify sound. Um. Unlike other mammals, they
have this very strange outer hair cells that don't amplify sound.
Isn't that weird? All you need to amplify sound for
something to be able to receive vibrations um, and apparently
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this hair does not do that. Um. But this, you know,
peculiarity makes them interesting candidates to study to help develop
treatments for human deafness. Okay, so we got too fascinating
naked mole rat uh features superpowers even right off the rip.
But the latest is this that you know, how there's
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an old joke about like did dogs in France, you know,
bark with the French accent or whatever or do you
know Norwegian cats have a different maw Uh. It seems silly, right,
it seems utterly absurd, But it turns out there might
be something to um questions like this because a new
study has shown that naked mole rats actually have dialects,
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and that dialect comes directly from their queen. Because Ben,
as you pointed out when we were getting ready to
go on today, Matt, you too, Uh, they live in
colonies like the fake looking ones that that your son
is so taken by at the zoo, but they literally
live in these underground, subterranean, that's redundant colonies that are
like these you know, interconnected little kind of cubbies um
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and the it's it's very much like a bee hive
situation because the queen is the only member of the
colony that reproduces. So every single individual in the colony,
sorry from the queen obviously, is the offspring of that queen,
and the queen is head han show uh to the max,
to the point where the Queen's vocal peculiarities are mimicked
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by every other member of that colony. It's a cult.
Also want to point out their corpor facist if you
want to like they eat their own poop on a
regular basis. Well, maybe that's why they live so long. Guys,
maybe I have heard this is gonna sound no, drinking
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your own p apparently isn't the worst thing in the
world for you. There's some health nuts that are all
about it. That's not going to kill you. Hey, well
we're talking like if it immediately leaves your system and
then goes back into your system, right, because the moment
pep hangs out for a minute, it's it's up to
no good as far as bacteria and other stuff goes right,
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I'm pretty sure that's how I'm pretty sure that's how
it goes well for us to recommend drinking urine. We
just want to give you the latest, the latest opigions.
Uh yeah, the consumption of feces in naked mole rats
should not be held as an example or an aspirational
goal for humans. Uh. They're you social, They they are
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tremendously different most other mammals can. I tell you. That's
just a quick story. So I have a beautiful, amazing
dog named Penny, and she is a very temperamental eater.
And you know, we take great pains not to give
her human food. But one thing we have to do
is give her these little treats sprinkled on her food
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so that she will find them palatable. Because she liked
the molerat is a queen, uh. And for some reason
the other day we gave her a large treat that's
like I don't know, it was a yacht milk or
something weird like that. It was way too expensive and
it was it was like a celebration for her. But
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she ate it over the course of a day or so.
And then I took her outside and I've never seen
her do this. Took a nice, big old dump and
just took a big old bite right after. And it
was because it was very reminiscent and I'm sure smelled
like that treat that she just devoured. God you ever
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trying to brush a dog's teeth, Matt, Matt, No, Oh
my goodness, that is grosser and gross. As as the
kids once said, I want to really quickly struggle back.
Definitely not good for you to drink your omp. That
it was. It was considered like a folk remedy. And
there are a lot of kind of like old you know,
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wives tail type situations and holistic remedies from the past
that involved drinking your MP, and that specifically was largely
because it was just like a readily available fluid um.
And definitely, you know, what your P is doing is
removing salts and contaminants from your body. So to turn
around and drink that back in while sure you're just
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sterile and it's not gonna like get you sick. Um,
it's definitely you shouldn't be reintroducing those things back. Half
about drinking p and eating group us. That's how we
got here. A guy, that's the word corporate fact whatever.
When you said that initially been I thought you were
saying corporate fascists, and I'm like, that is a fascinating concept.
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It would be, it would be, um. But it's true.
These vocal intonations are surprisingly uniform within these various colonies.
And the study comes from Alison Barker at the Max
Delbrook Center from Alecular Medicine in Germany. Along with her colleagues,
she studied thirty six thousand greeting calls because they have
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these little little yelps, these little chirps from a hundred
and sixty six individual naked mole rats in seven different
colonies that were raised in labs, probably similar situation to
those cubbies at the Atlanta Zoo U and these were
raised in labs in Germany, in South Africa UM and
once they were able to kind of separate these out
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and identify the different elements of the chirps, things like
pitch frequency, duration UM, pitch UH, they were able to
train in an algorithm like using machine learning UH to
recognize the individuals within the colony and associate them with
the actual individual molera. But also the features, the various
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cadences of the chirps were super predictive depending on which
colony the animals belong to, which is a lot like
the French meal cat and the you know, the Norwegian
dog bark again not I'm joking, but it's it's there
could be right, Like I mean, obviously there's some internalization
going on in with these creatures of their surrounding sonic
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kind of environment, and they're using that to UH to
to generate a slightly different type of chirp. I first
heard about this on NPR and they played some audio
clips of these and you know, to the the naked
ear of the human we wouldn't be able to tell
the difference. UM. That's why it requires machine learning, because
it's literally doing deeper listening UM, honing in on things
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frequencies that either out of our own hearing range or
just nuances and subtleties that we'd never be able to
pick up on. UM. In another experiment, the naked mole
rats UH also were much more responsive when they heard
recordings of their own dialects UH compared to to others
from other colonies. So this suggested, according to UM this
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New Scientist article about the study, that UH, this is
how they communicate with each other in terms of a
call and response like a belphin situation, although that's more
like echo location, but it still is like you know,
sound being transmitted and then returned UH. So that's how
they would kind of communicate and recognize members of their
own colonies in case they maybe got separated or maybe
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you know, presumably some of these different colonies exist in
somewhat close proximity to one another. UM. The animals also
were quick to respond to these manufactured chirp sounds UH
that shared the most features with the dialect that they
were used to UM, but still distinct from other members
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of the community's called, so they were able to kind
of like manufacture, you know, from whole ai cloth new
chirps that just took into account a few of those
little parameters, but weren't actually you know, real and they
are the ones that have the most recognizable features. That's
the one that they would typically respond to. You gotta wonder,
you know. It's it's funny because I think, I hope
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that I'm not the only person who's run into this before.
But have you ever been in a place where people
don't speak your native language and you try to make
friends with an animal and then you realize, oh, crap,
this this dog or raven doesn't speak English at all.
I'm just I'm just blathering at it. Uh. It's it's
weird because animals, especially animals of a higher intelligence, can
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recognize parts of human speech. But it is somewhat not
every animal will have an accent. They have to be
able to communicate first. And I would be interested to
know whether there is a correlation between the naked mole
rats extraordinary lifespan, which is like over thirty almost unheard
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of for rodents. Actually they're the longest living rodents we
know of. I wonder if having that time to be
alive allows for the propagation and refinement and growth of
this regional or colony wide accent. I mean, what do
you what do you guys think? Yeah, well, I also
wonder how much the queen scenario plays into it where hugely,
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because there's an amazing detail that left out. Once the
queen dies, the accents become much more disparate, sort of
start to become more unique. They're clearly very very beholden
to that queen and uh in mimicking her exclusively. And
then I guess you know, the mimicry probably takes you know,
once it starts, it kind of like spreads. But yeah,
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once the queen dies, all bets are kind of off
and they're cold blooded. Literally, they're literally cold blooded mammals. Well,
it makes me wonder about a bit of a chicken
and egg scenario here, though not really. But when you
imagine the first brood that a queen outputs, uh when
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when when the first crew arrives from the queen, right
the first litter um? I imagine that that immediate exposure
in the sounds of queen is making that's the only
sound you're you're experiencing that's really one of the only
senses you're dealing with, the sides of the touch of
moving around within this colony as the If you imagine
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yourself as one of these naked mole rats and that
first brood experiences that responds to that same sound that
you're hearing, you, you know, make it again, mimic it.
Then the next brood comes and you hear an entire
colony making that same sound, and the queen, the mother,
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the life giver, he's also making that sound. I'm assuming,
since they're mammals, there's some kind of feeding that occurs
directly from the queen from the mother. Um, I'm assuming.
I don't know that that's true, but whatever, whatever that
looks like, I do not want to see it. Naked
mole rats are basically living out that formally banned X
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Files episode Home. You don't have to go into detail,
but you guys know what I'm talking about. And they
also learn a lot like that weird seward dweller with
the suction mouth guy, and they kind of look like, yeah,
it's it's it's fascinating because you know, like you said earlier,
nol uh, this amazing distinct creature holds such potential for
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human beings for all other mammals, imagine being able to
like It's a tradeoff, right, I think we called it
a monkey pause situation, either before we rolled or some
time earlier. It's a trade off. Would you would you
live looking like a human version of a naked mole rat? Uh?
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Knowing that you would be essentially immune to cancer, you
would not suffer pain from inflammation, um, and you would
live a very long time? Would you do that? Would
you rather be alive for like more than a century
and ugli at sin no judgment, blind and deaf, living
in darkness? I think that's another I don't know, that's
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just me. Or would you rather be a naked mole
rat sized human that lives in a colony with the
queen and you can only make really one utterance? Uh?
That is a mimicry of of the queen? What does
it sounds like? It's kind of a chirp. Why don't
we hear one? Okay? What rough chirp slouches toward Bethlehem
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to be born. That's that's the opposite of intimidity. I
think that's the thing. It's it's it's a cute kind
of mouse like little squeak and then you see what
that's coming from. And uh, doc mentioned before we got
going to uh the same as me. Honestly, my first
exposure to these things was in the Fallout series of
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video games. But in that series they're like the size
of a large dog, but they otherwise look exactly the
same because there was nothing these video game designers could
have added to make them look more like a post
apocalyptic or terrifying um but yeah, no, thank you, Okay,
I got another before. You know what's scarier. One giant
mole rat like that size is coming at you, or
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a thousand little tiny mole rats just slowly crawling towards you.
I know you didn't ask me, but definitely I think
a thousand You can run from one, you can dodge one,
you know, if it's like a sentient kind of just
like moving tide of mole rats like those little baby
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dinosaurs in Jurassic Park three, the little leaper ones. Yeah,
they look real cute, but then they like swarm all
over you and pick your pick the meat off your
bones while you're still alive. Do you think these guys
would what do you think they would do guys, if
they were to swarm you, do you think they have
a taste for human flesh. No, they're herbivorous and and
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poop eaters. What if well, then you know it's like
my one of my old instructors used to say, what's
the first thing you do if you wake up in
the middle of the woods, in the middle of nowhere. Uh,
the first thing you do is ask yourself how you've
got in that situation. You know what I mean? If
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the if the three of us are covered in poop,
there's a swarm of like a tidal wave of naked
mole rats rolling towards us, that's the moment I think
where the video pauses and you hear the v O
saying you're probably wondering how we got here. Also might
be time to reassess some life decisions at that point. Uh, yeah, no,
(33:27):
I agree, You're right. It is the quintessential Walter White
with no pants on, pointing a gun in the direction
of blaring police sirens coming towards him on. Much more
terrifying and poop covered. Yeah. By the way, sorry, I
we we dropped a line about tiny little dinosaurs and
my mouth uttered. Cela cants. What I meant to say.
(33:50):
What I meant to say with was Compsignathan that everybody
can old this is amazing, okay, HeLa cat is a
very very um I know, I'm I like, I don't
understand a lot of social signals. I don't understand what
(34:10):
it is or isn't cute. But Ceili cats are generally
considered ugly trash fish. They are, however, an example of
a cryptid that was this redis rediscovered not too long ago.
They were thought to be extinct for millions of years
until some Europeans in on the African continent heard stories
(34:37):
about what sounded to them like this extinct fish. And
the locals said, no, you guys didn't discover anything. We
told you this fish is everywhere. It's it's a trash fish.
No one likes it. And they were like, we have
rediscovered so anyway, it's a real cryptic is the point.
So I think, exactly we talked about our cryptic episode,
(34:57):
and I think this is the one that has a
fun are you looking fin on the bottom that it
looks like it might be ready to become a leg
of some sort in the near evolutionary future, although it
never really made it. Um, it's okay, don't give up yet,
you know, go seelik and you know what, then go
naked mole rats. You don't want one is a pet.
(35:19):
I don't think you can get just one. They're very
much the pringles of mammals. Uh like sugar gliders. Right,
they have to come in pairs at least. But I'm
glad they're here. I hope that I hope we get
something for this species from the research. And I hope
that these uh, I hope these not particularly beautiful animals
(35:41):
live a long long time. I don't want them to
expand I think they're good where they are great, that
makes sense. Can you imagine if they took the place
of just your common household, you know, mouse, that'd be
a much scarier situation if you saw one of those
crawling out of your walls. Going Okay, I've had about
(36:05):
enough of this. Let's take a quick break and then'll
be back with more strange news. Hello, welcome back to
the show. And we've reached the point in our episode
where we're going to give you nightmares if you have
a significant other, especially if you sleep next to one
on a nightly basis. Here we go. Well, I mean,
(36:31):
see if you can do some kind of overlay with
the two stories and really really just jump start your
your night sweats. Okay, cool? So, Uh, pulling from a
New York Times article that was released on February five.
It is an update to an ongoing story, and here's
the headline, NYPD officer accused in plot to kill husband
(36:55):
will plead guilty. Kind of spoiling the ending here a
little bit. It's not quite the ending. But the reason
why we're even talking about it is because that that
piece of news came out very recently. But the full
story and the thing that I really want to talk
about today goes back way and I think twenty nineteen.
(37:16):
So we're gonna jump back from that headline to tell
you the story about this police officer who had some
weird stuff go on in her life and uh, it
all started playing out in the news. Let's begin here.
So there's a husband and a wife. Okay, if you're
(37:37):
watching the video, I'm giving you some helpful visuals here. Uh.
The husband and wife have a child and they are
going through a divorce. Pretty messy, dealing a lot with
you know, who gets who gets to have custody of
this child. And I don't know the full story of
(37:58):
the ex husband and at his you know, situation is
as far as relationship goes. But we do know and
can confirm through reporting and through an investigation that the
ex wife had a boyfriend and the boyfriend it was
then on and off again the situation. And he had
a bit of a criminal past that where he had
(38:20):
been to court several times and accused of many a thing.
He was known. This guy was known to hang out
with a couple of people from the Sopranos, like the
actual Sopranos cast. Yeah. Sure, And I'm getting a lot
of this information about him. The boyfriend, his name's John Daruba,
(38:45):
getting it from the New York Post, not the best place,
But nobody's really talking about him much in the investigation
of reporting. Oh you know, John, you know he's doing
all right. He's allegedly connected to the Gaudy People, at
least a according to him, and the Gambino crime family.
So so the cast of I'm sorry, I'm on the Sopranos,
(39:06):
and the cast of the Sopranos hanging out with a
dude who's aligned with the Gatti family and isn't because
this can't be a coincidence, and they're doing it just
to get like, clue, this is way after the end
of the show. What's going on here? Allegedly this this
is all. This is all just to paint the picture
of this other person with whom the police officer was involved.
(39:28):
Ok Um, just some weird thing. Not nobody knows. I
don't know how that involvement occurred, what to what extent
it was, but we know that at some point, because
of likely at least the custody battle. We do know
that this police officer, her name is Valerie Cincinnelli, and
(39:49):
of course she is accused of these crimes. She is
not uh fully gone to trial. She is again as
we said at the top, going to plead guilty. At
least according to her attorney. She's accused of hiring a
hitman or at least talking to her boyfriend, that guy
John Dr Rubio Darrubo, about hiring a hit man to
(40:11):
kill the ex husband. And we know this because this guy,
who is a leisued lee connected to some crime family,
who is the boyfriend of this police officer, flipped on
her and started recording conversations and and then told her
that yeah, I know somebody who can who could do
(40:34):
this for you. It'll take seven thousand dollars. Then somehow,
and this is really confusing to meet in the reporting
does not clear this up. Somehow it was going to
be seven thousand dollars to kill both her ex husband
and this boyfriend's teenage daughter. So the guy who's arranging
(40:55):
it his teenage daughter, I don't understand it. Good luck
to you as you read some pieces in your Times
and CBS and all over the place. It's confusing. It
doesn't make sense. Seven grand for two, I mean again again, sorry,
sorry not to get hung up. But in in the
nineties on the Sopranos, you'd get ten grand for one.
(41:15):
It depends on the person really too. That's how are
they to get to Also, if they are if they're
running an op on this person, then they want to
have they want to have a price point that incentivizes
them to agree to it, right, you know. And and
oftentimes they want someone that's unconnected, uh, They that they
(41:38):
wouldn't recognize somebody from a different part of town or
different stadium, and you know, so there's all kinds of calculations.
It's transport catering. You know, yeah, yeah, so Matt astute
listeners noticed surely that you said, uh, this, MYPD officer
(41:59):
will please uh guilty. But here's the question, what is
this officer pleading guilty to? We we do not know that.
That's why it's not really news. It's just this is
an excuse to talk about this story, which is utterly
fascinating to be and terrifying to me for a lot
of reasons. I gotta give you a couple more details though,
(42:20):
before you we jump into that. We don't we don't
know what she's pleading guilty too, because she's she's being
accused of several things to federal murder for higher charges
two counts of obstruction of justice um and she had
previously pled not guilty to to all of these charges.
So that seventh grand, the alleged seven grand that was
(42:42):
going to be paid, we know that this officer took
that money out of an account and gave it to
the boyfriend. The boyfriend procured a little of over six thousand,
nine hundred something dollars in gold coins with that cash,
because allegedly, according to him him, that's the only way
the hit man would be paid the currency the the
(43:03):
old guy took whoever it was gonna be UM, and
then this guy flipped was recording conversations the FBI and
local police there. They actually approached the ex husband and
they said, like, imagine this. Imagine someone coming to your door.
Whether whether you're a husband or a wife, you're a girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever,
(43:26):
it doesn't matter. Imagine the FBI showing up your door
and saying, hey, you're significant other has put a hit
out on you, UM, and this person has been planning
to kill you all winter. And we've actually been recording
conversations and working with the person that she was trying
to contract. We have an FBI officer now who is
acting and communicating with her as the hit man. What
(43:49):
we need to do now is take you down to
this undisclosed location. We're gonna put you in the car.
We're gonna put a bunch of glass around you and
some fake blood and make it look like you've been
killed and that the hitman took a picture of you.
We're gonna send that picture to your ex wife and
like through this hitman's phone number, and then convince her
(44:11):
that you're dead in order to get her to communicate
with her boyfriend and try and cover her tracks, so
we can prove that she knew this was happening, that
she was planning to do this, and she's the one
who set it up, and that's exactly what they did. Like,
imagine that scenario. So you say, this will terrify people
(44:34):
with a significant other that they next to. Often. However,
from what I understand, the X and Cincinneli were in
the middle of quite an acrimonious divorce. Right, this is true.
This is true. I think what it mostly speaks to,
at least in a lot of the reporting and the
ensuing investigation, was that, uh, this person, Valerie was seen
(44:56):
as such a good upstandings person, an amazing police off.
Was her a kind person to children, she worked directly
with children. She you know, she was just viewed as
a paragon really, and then she also had this dark
side within her to do something like this. Now, we
don't know all the circumstances in their relationship, right, we
(45:18):
don't know what kind of beef there was between them.
We there's so many unanswered questions here, and we have
to remind everyone that Valerie Cincinnelli is still not guilty
until she you know until whatever occurs within the court system.
Um so, even though she is allegedly pleading guilty according
(45:40):
to her her attorneys, yeah to something, who knows? And
we know that since the boyfriend that we mentioned up
top there that may have those mob ties was a
bit of an unscrupulous character. Who knows what really happened
and what kind of you know, right? I mean the
guy the guys working directly with the FBI. I don't know.
(46:03):
He was in court not long ago because he allegedly
was in a vehicle with somebody and this person had
a large diamond ring. And according to the transcripts or
at least the reporting that came from that trial, uh,
the boyfriend made mention of the weapon, the gun that
he had on him and about how oh no, the
(46:25):
gaudy family will we'll we'll pay you tomorrow, We'll pay
you tomorrow. Get you got to get out of the car.
I have a gun, Get out of the car, leave
the leave the diamonds, and then just left and then
just left and that was it. At least that's what's
what he's accused of doing. Um, I don't know. Can
I can I give us a quote? I'd love to
share a quote from this this man. Uh, and so
(46:49):
Cincinnally was arrested in I believe Cork. So the news
that we have is that she is pleading guilty. So
this guy says about his on off again paramore, you know,
you think you were in love with someone, but it's
not what you think. You try so hard to overlook stuff,
(47:11):
but you just can't. That's that's his statement to the media. Um,
I think there's something fishy here, Matt, No, I think
I think a bargain was struck. Well. Yeah, the valerie's
attorney has made several statements that you can you can
watch right now in videos, uh, statements outside of a courthouse,
(47:33):
you know, following or proceeding hearings, where he has stated
he stated that the character of this boyfriend is going
to be the largest thing in question and the biggest
thing that's explored within the trial itself or if you know,
if it is in fact a full trial. Um hm,
I don't know. I'm fascinated by this stuff. Or just
(47:54):
what what do you what do you think? No, what
do you think, Ben? What do we do with something
like this? When you just don't know? Man? Like it's
like an incomplete it seems this the story is not
fully told yet. Yeah. You also you also, first off,
look at the web of connected entities and individuals. I
(48:16):
love that you point out we have. I've said it before.
Every relationship is a foreign country basically, and if you
are trying to understand two people's relationship, especially if it's
a romantic one, you are always going to be an outsider.
So we have no idea what happened that led to
this this very messed up divorce, and that led to
this attempted assassination. Second thing, Lake City, quiet pills for
(48:42):
the prose, you know what I mean. Don't take your
phone with you, don't. Don't. I'm not condoning this at all.
I'm just saying that if it's such a cliche, right,
if it appears to be too good to be true,
than it probably is. If you are ever, for some reason,
God forbid, in a situation where you're like, wow, just
(49:05):
seven thousand to kill somebody. That's a that's a that's
actually kind of a great deal, then that probably means
you're being set up, you know what I mean? Like that,
I think the days of ordering um ordering professional operations
through things like Soldier of Fortune magazine are long going.
(49:25):
We are in a surveillance state. Uh not for nothing.
Did that hit man want to have payment in gold?
But also how much gain trust the FBI. They straight
up manufactured some terrorists not too long ago. And we
we know this Stroven Yeah, uh yeah, Okay, Well, I
(49:46):
hope the kids are okay because she she has two
children outside of that relationship. And yeah, they do have
a child together, so hopefully that kid makes it out
all right, no matter what happens here. All right, Well,
I think that's all for this one, guys, strange news
indeed to the tune of Strange Days. Indeed, for anybody
(50:09):
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are trying to hire an assassin. We did also, by
(50:30):
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the assassination or targeted killing community reach out to us
regarding our history of assassins episode. And we're currently as
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(50:51):
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You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't
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which means it is time for some strange news. We're
(00:46):
learning more about the animals we share the world with
in a very interesting way. We're learning more about corruption
in law enforcement, and perhaps in case you may not
have heard of, uh, this is one that Matt said
will terrify people with a significant other. And we have
a breaking report as we record today about a would
(01:11):
be active supervillaining that's very plausible and it came very
close to uh killing people. And that's where we're starting. Okay, yes,
very well then, gentlemen. UH So, you may or may
not be familiar with the town of Old Smart, Florida.
(01:32):
It's not super big. It has a population of thirteen thousand,
five hundred and nine. It is if you look at
it on a map, it's part of Penellis County, which
is faith It's on the Gulf side of Mexico side
of Florida. So if you're looking the map, it's on
the left. Uh, it's it's not Panhandle country. It's it's
(01:54):
kind of in the scoop out of the Gulf and
clear Water and St. Petersburg. Shout out scientology. We don't
believe scientology is involved with the story you are about
to hear today. But again, this is fresh baked news.
This town is like many towns in the US. It
(02:17):
has infrastructure, right, It has traffic lights, it has sewage,
it has electricity. It also has water treatment, waste treatment.
Anybody has looked into conspiracy theories about fluoride and what
exactly goes into your local tap water is aware that
(02:38):
water treatment plants are one of those. They're one of
those boring things to protect, you know what I mean, Like,
no one everybody wants to save, uh, the the beautiful
building or the historic monument. But the whales. The whales, Yeah,
we're the fuzzy, big eyed mammals. But no one wants
to really wants to make a news story about just
(03:03):
how vulnerable our waste water and water treatment plants are.
Here's what happened. Someone remotely accessed the city's water treatment
system very recently in Old Smarre, Florida, and they just
through this hack, just through this exploit, they were able
(03:23):
to increase the amount of sodium hydroxide by a factor
more than one hundred in in the water system. Uh.
Sodium hydroxide is the fancy name for what we call
lie L y E. Lie is used in very small
amounts to control the acidity of water. But it is
(03:45):
also you know, most recognizable to a lot of us
as an ingredient in household cleaning supplies. It's also a
product many true crime fan buffs out there might recognize
as being used when disposing of bodies. Yeah, back in
the day when it was way easier to get rid
of a body. I'm telling you, guys. But the point
(04:05):
of this is the point of this is that, if
you want to picture it and simplify terms, perhaps oversimplified,
someone without ever physically entering this treatment system, someone was
able to pour drain cleaner into the town. So they
made it such that people were possibly drinking possibly drinking
(04:31):
drink cleaner from a faucet. And then of course, if
there's a refrigerator that makes ice cubes automatically, that's that's
another factor that plays in why are we being somewhat
living cheerful describing this? Well? In this case, this one time,
it turns out that they were able to prevent this
disaster from occurring. This like super villain breaking bad level
(04:56):
plausible scheme. Uh. The city's water supply was thankfully not
affected because there was a supervisor at the water treatment
plants who, like many of us these days, was working remotely,
working from home. And picture this guy. He's just got
his computer screen up right, it's like at water levels
and uh, the picture whatever metrics who want to picture here?
(05:20):
Let's go early two thousand's Hacker movie, and let's just
say there's a screen that cartoonishly explains what's going on
because they can't do exposition vo or whatever, it's not
the right part of the story. This guy is looking
at the screen and he sees the sodium hydroxide level
just sort of me and he goes, oh, dang, good thing,
(05:47):
I don't have to put my pants on and go
over there delete UH. City officials today said that they
had instituted several safeguards after this. They want to going
forward have a system to prevent any water that could
have been contaminated from reaching the public, and they also
(06:10):
hopefully will be a little more mindful of how people
are able to access their system. At this point, nobody
has been arrested. There are some leads. No one knows
why Old Smart Florida was targeted in this attack, and
other infrastructure hubs are on the lookout in Dallas and
(06:31):
in adjacent counties. It's weird because the authorities are saying
that even if they hadn't caught this, it would have
taken more than a day, more than twenty four hours
for this water that was being processed with LIE to
enter the water supply. This story is interesting. We don't
have we don't have all the details yet because it
(06:52):
literally was happening today before we recorded UH. If if
the LIE did enter the waters apply in this concentration,
it could cause massive damage to people's skin. It could
cause hair loss. This is according to the National Center
of Biotechnology Information. Most importantly, folks ingestion of this stuff,
(07:16):
as we know from crimes of previous decades. Ingestion of
this stuff can be fatal. It eats bodies. This got
me thinking, you know, wanted to share this story with
you guys. This got me thinking about the bigger picture. Like, um,
years ago on car stuff, I learned that it is
(07:36):
terrifyingly easy for someone to hack into your local municipalities
traffic light system. Like it's stupid easy. It's weird that
it doesn't happen more often. But what do you guys
think about this story? Like, do you what's your opinion
on the water supply in general? Were very lucky in
this country to be able to drink directly from a
(07:58):
faucet in most places outside of Flint, Michigan. I agree.
I will say this that, like my daughter refuses to
drink tap water. Um, I think the tap water in
my house tastes pretty good, but she is convinced that
it is poisonous. M hmm. Well, we know, we know
that there's a certain level of allowable stuff in any
water system because it's nearly impossible to remove it at scale,
(08:23):
like remove everything completely at scale. Um. Perhaps one of
the reasons why what would what would you call those
like at the tap filtration at the refrigerator level. Yeah,
brita filter or even becoming very popular now are filters
that you actually put on your house, like underneath your
(08:44):
house that adds an extra level of filtration to all
water coming into your home. Um, it makes sense. I
think I have I have a cousin who she's got
like an eight level filtration system for all of her
water that's that's considered potable that she will drink and shed,
and it's it's incredible and intricate, and the water tastes
(09:08):
fine when it comes through the system. It tastes very
similar to me, to to other water produced in her area.
But it's you know, there's a level of anxiety about it,
I think because we kind of all know now that
fact that there's gonna be some stuff in there. Yeah. Yeah,
you're absolutely right, Matt. Uh. The thing about most retail filters,
(09:31):
or many retail filters, and we're not selling these here. Uh,
the thing about most of those is that they do
not filter out heavy metals, right, even if you are
even if you're someone who has a life straw, it's
a tremendous device. Even if you're someone who has a
life straw in your go bag or something like that
that will allow you to drink from still water and
(09:54):
it will kill many biological contaminants. But even with the
top notch outer treatment of Europe or the US, etcetera,
what you'll see is that the water post treatment still
contains things like aluminum or copper, iron, lead, pesticides, sometimes
geranium for that tang and and these contaminants all composed
(10:18):
dangerous side effects. But people working in water treatment are
top notch with the research on this. The allowable parts
per million threshold. It's not something arbitrary, nor is it
something made up out of thin air like we've seen
in our earlier show on Mead Nebraska. Men, what would
(10:38):
you consider this an act of domestic terrorism just like
a really mean spirited pranc Yes, s it's an act
of domestic terrorism technically, Yeah, for sure. It is pretty
astounding that these systems that you could control chemicals like
that remotely, like there they exist with with a some
(10:59):
kind a VP and access or some kind of you know,
remote access built into them. That's that's kind of creepy.
What positive factor does the LIE have anyway? Why is
there a LIE tap going into the water supply that
I missed that. I mean, they can't imagine the filtration
is like variable? Are there is it saying that like
(11:19):
the hacker essentially changed a parameter that allowed more LIE
to get through the filters, or actually introduced more LIE
into the water supply. What it seems to be is
that they were able to do both. They were able
to influence the constraints of the measurement, which inherently allowed
(11:44):
more LIE into the system. Why they did it, we
don't know. You know, one of the easiest, lowest hanging fruits,
as far as a lead would go, would be maybe
a disgruntled employee, someone who had the knowledge of the thing.
At this point, we don't know how much other stuff,
if any, this hacker did, But we do know, and
(12:07):
I think it's instructive for all of us listening today.
We do know that these systems. Of course, because they
are boring and necessary, they are not subject to a
lot of scrutiny as much as they should be. Like
we have people focused on making sure the water is
safe to drink. We don't have people focused on making
(12:28):
sure the water system is secure, you know, like like, uh,
when we talk about fluorite in the water, we got
into the weeds on how many parts per million are
are allowed to exist right in your drinking water and
why it's there, and people still have a problem with that. Luckily,
I mean it was a supervisor that caught this on
on a on a you know whatever, like an interface
(12:50):
if you're working remotely, and I was able to see
the parameter being changed. We you did say this, Ben.
At the very top of that, there are small, small
amounts of LIE used to help reduce the acidity of
water supply. So obviously they've got a supply of it
somewhere that's being fed in the same way they like
fluoride and other you know, uh compounds that go in
(13:10):
and help treat the water. But yeah, that's a nasty one, man.
I can imagine if they succeeded and flooded the supply,
people would have been like getting you know there, their
esophagus is like corroded. Yeah. Yeah, Well the good thing
is what Ben, I think we talked. I don't know
if you mentioned this, the relative number of people that
could have been affected there in Old Smar. It was
(13:32):
it was so, I know, it's a handful of or
many businesses. But then about fifteen thousand residents. So there.
The good thing is that they're kind of separated away
with the old Smar water treatment facility to get their water.
That's what was affected, not the larger Penellas County uh
water systems. Right, And when I mentioned that supervisor at
(13:55):
the top who caught this and prevented this disaster, Um,
you know, I hope you're listening, sir or madam whoever
you are. H I'm sorry that we don't know your
name yet, but in my book, you're a hero and
that's a hell of a thing to learn at eight
am in the morning. So so, like I always say,
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here is that, of course, if that person who works
there is able to access this system remotely, then it
follows that is not impossible. We're a bad actor to
access this. And think about if someone is motivated enough.
Think about how easy it is to set something up
such that you never see a red light again, it's
(14:42):
all green lights when you're driving. Think about how easy
it is to shut down parts of an electric grid, right,
electricity grid. We need to be aware of this stuff
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I went there. I'm doing the hard hitting story today
about wait for it, tiny little wrinkly naked baby rat
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mole things. I'm sorry, mole rats whatever there. It's so creepy, guys,
I know, I don't know. Do you think they're cute?
I gotta no mole rats. I'm not expert and cute,
but I think they would they would find us, uh,
probably repulsive. Too, because we got all this air. We're
your suit pen. You are a master diplomat when it
(16:30):
comes to these things. That was expert hedging, and I
commend you on that, Matt. I'm gonna need you to
have a hard, hard opinion on this one, buddy. Um, Yeah,
these things are adorable. My son loves them. Whoa And yeah,
I mean he can go to the zoo and stare
at them all day long. They look like Freddy Krueger
meets nos Feratu with no hair, and they're perfectly pink,
(16:54):
and they have these cartoonish little pepper pig noses and
weird little salamander fingers. And but here's the thing. They
it's a trade off for these little guys because they
may be you know, monstrosities, tiny monstrosities admittedly, but they're
like noon invincible. Uh. They they live you know like
(17:14):
I had a Gerbil lived for like three months. You know,
these things for their size and the type of creature
they are with their their analogous you know to to
mice or rodents, you know, Uh, they live for like
thirty years. Um. They they don't ever see the sun,
which maybe has something to do with it. But they
also have apparently like like um, wolverine level like DNA
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repair self repair capabilities, UM, to the point where they're
actually studied for a lot of things, one of which
is potentially learning something about how that DNA repairs itself
in an effort to harness it for treating things like cancer.
Another thing is they're pretty much blind. Their their eyes
are so small and squinty as to practically don't exist. Right,
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that's right. They can barely hear um. And that's because
their ears can't amplify sound. Um. Unlike other mammals, they
have this very strange outer hair cells that don't amplify sound.
Isn't that weird? All you need to amplify sound for
something to be able to receive vibrations um, and apparently
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this hair does not do that. Um. But this, you know,
peculiarity makes them interesting candidates to study to help develop
treatments for human deafness. Okay, so we got too fascinating
naked mole rat uh features superpowers even right off the rip.
But the latest is this that you know, how there's
(18:47):
an old joke about like did dogs in France, you know,
bark with the French accent or whatever or do you
know Norwegian cats have a different maw Uh. It seems silly, right,
it seems utterly absurd, But it turns out there might
be something to um questions like this because a new
study has shown that naked mole rats actually have dialects,
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and that dialect comes directly from their queen. Because Ben,
as you pointed out when we were getting ready to
go on today, Matt, you too, Uh, they live in
colonies like the fake looking ones that that your son
is so taken by at the zoo, but they literally
live in these underground, subterranean, that's redundant colonies that are
like these you know, interconnected little kind of cubbies um
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and the it's it's very much like a bee hive
situation because the queen is the only member of the
colony that reproduces. So every single individual in the colony,
sorry from the queen obviously, is the offspring of that queen,
and the queen is head han show uh to the max,
to the point where the Queen's vocal peculiarities are mimicked
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by every other member of that colony. It's a cult.
Also want to point out their corpor facist if you
want to like they eat their own poop on a
regular basis. Well, maybe that's why they live so long. Guys,
maybe I have heard this is gonna sound no, drinking
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your own p apparently isn't the worst thing in the
world for you. There's some health nuts that are all
about it. That's not going to kill you. Hey, well
we're talking like if it immediately leaves your system and
then goes back into your system, right, because the moment
pep hangs out for a minute, it's it's up to
no good as far as bacteria and other stuff goes right,
(20:43):
I'm pretty sure that's how I'm pretty sure that's how
it goes well for us to recommend drinking urine. We
just want to give you the latest, the latest opigions.
Uh yeah, the consumption of feces in naked mole rats
should not be held as an example or an aspirational
goal for humans. Uh. They're you social, They they are
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tremendously different most other mammals can. I tell you. That's
just a quick story. So I have a beautiful, amazing
dog named Penny, and she is a very temperamental eater.
And you know, we take great pains not to give
her human food. But one thing we have to do
is give her these little treats sprinkled on her food
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so that she will find them palatable. Because she liked
the molerat is a queen, uh. And for some reason
the other day we gave her a large treat that's
like I don't know, it was a yacht milk or
something weird like that. It was way too expensive and
it was it was like a celebration for her. But
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she ate it over the course of a day or so.
And then I took her outside and I've never seen
her do this. Took a nice, big old dump and
just took a big old bite right after. And it
was because it was very reminiscent and I'm sure smelled
like that treat that she just devoured. God you ever
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trying to brush a dog's teeth, Matt, Matt, No, Oh
my goodness, that is grosser and gross. As as the
kids once said, I want to really quickly struggle back.
Definitely not good for you to drink your omp. That
it was. It was considered like a folk remedy. And
there are a lot of kind of like old you know,
(22:36):
wives tail type situations and holistic remedies from the past
that involved drinking your MP, and that specifically was largely
because it was just like a readily available fluid um.
And definitely, you know, what your P is doing is
removing salts and contaminants from your body. So to turn
around and drink that back in while sure you're just
(22:56):
sterile and it's not gonna like get you sick. Um,
it's definitely you shouldn't be reintroducing those things back. Half
about drinking p and eating group us. That's how we
got here. A guy, that's the word corporate fact whatever.
When you said that initially been I thought you were
saying corporate fascists, and I'm like, that is a fascinating concept.
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It would be, it would be, um. But it's true.
These vocal intonations are surprisingly uniform within these various colonies.
And the study comes from Alison Barker at the Max
Delbrook Center from Alecular Medicine in Germany. Along with her colleagues,
she studied thirty six thousand greeting calls because they have
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these little little yelps, these little chirps from a hundred
and sixty six individual naked mole rats in seven different
colonies that were raised in labs, probably similar situation to
those cubbies at the Atlanta Zoo U and these were
raised in labs in Germany, in South Africa UM and
once they were able to kind of separate these out
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and identify the different elements of the chirps, things like
pitch frequency, duration UM, pitch UH, they were able to
train in an algorithm like using machine learning UH to
recognize the individuals within the colony and associate them with
the actual individual molera. But also the features, the various
(24:30):
cadences of the chirps were super predictive depending on which
colony the animals belong to, which is a lot like
the French meal cat and the you know, the Norwegian
dog bark again not I'm joking, but it's it's there
could be right, Like I mean, obviously there's some internalization
going on in with these creatures of their surrounding sonic
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kind of environment, and they're using that to UH to
to generate a slightly different type of chirp. I first
heard about this on NPR and they played some audio
clips of these and you know, to the the naked
ear of the human we wouldn't be able to tell
the difference. UM. That's why it requires machine learning, because
it's literally doing deeper listening UM, honing in on things
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frequencies that either out of our own hearing range or
just nuances and subtleties that we'd never be able to
pick up on. UM. In another experiment, the naked mole
rats UH also were much more responsive when they heard
recordings of their own dialects UH compared to to others
from other colonies. So this suggested, according to UM this
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New Scientist article about the study, that UH, this is
how they communicate with each other in terms of a
call and response like a belphin situation, although that's more
like echo location, but it still is like you know,
sound being transmitted and then returned UH. So that's how
they would kind of communicate and recognize members of their
own colonies in case they maybe got separated or maybe
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you know, presumably some of these different colonies exist in
somewhat close proximity to one another. UM. The animals also
were quick to respond to these manufactured chirp sounds UH
that shared the most features with the dialect that they
were used to UM, but still distinct from other members
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of the community's called, so they were able to kind
of like manufacture, you know, from whole ai cloth new
chirps that just took into account a few of those
little parameters, but weren't actually you know, real and they
are the ones that have the most recognizable features. That's
the one that they would typically respond to. You gotta wonder,
you know. It's it's funny because I think, I hope
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that I'm not the only person who's run into this before.
But have you ever been in a place where people
don't speak your native language and you try to make
friends with an animal and then you realize, oh, crap,
this this dog or raven doesn't speak English at all.
I'm just I'm just blathering at it. Uh. It's it's
weird because animals, especially animals of a higher intelligence, can
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recognize parts of human speech. But it is somewhat not
every animal will have an accent. They have to be
able to communicate first. And I would be interested to
know whether there is a correlation between the naked mole
rats extraordinary lifespan, which is like over thirty almost unheard
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of for rodents. Actually they're the longest living rodents we
know of. I wonder if having that time to be
alive allows for the propagation and refinement and growth of
this regional or colony wide accent. I mean, what do
you what do you guys think? Yeah, well, I also
wonder how much the queen scenario plays into it where hugely,
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because there's an amazing detail that left out. Once the
queen dies, the accents become much more disparate, sort of
start to become more unique. They're clearly very very beholden
to that queen and uh in mimicking her exclusively. And
then I guess you know, the mimicry probably takes you know,
once it starts, it kind of like spreads. But yeah,
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once the queen dies, all bets are kind of off
and they're cold blooded. Literally, they're literally cold blooded mammals. Well,
it makes me wonder about a bit of a chicken
and egg scenario here, though not really. But when you
imagine the first brood that a queen outputs, uh when
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when when the first crew arrives from the queen, right
the first litter um? I imagine that that immediate exposure
in the sounds of queen is making that's the only
sound you're you're experiencing that's really one of the only
senses you're dealing with, the sides of the touch of
moving around within this colony as the If you imagine
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yourself as one of these naked mole rats and that
first brood experiences that responds to that same sound that
you're hearing, you, you know, make it again, mimic it.
Then the next brood comes and you hear an entire
colony making that same sound, and the queen, the mother,
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the life giver, he's also making that sound. I'm assuming,
since they're mammals, there's some kind of feeding that occurs
directly from the queen from the mother. Um, I'm assuming.
I don't know that that's true, but whatever, whatever that
looks like, I do not want to see it. Naked
mole rats are basically living out that formally banned X
(29:45):
Files episode Home. You don't have to go into detail,
but you guys know what I'm talking about. And they
also learn a lot like that weird seward dweller with
the suction mouth guy, and they kind of look like, yeah,
it's it's it's fascinating because you know, like you said earlier,
nol uh, this amazing distinct creature holds such potential for
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human beings for all other mammals, imagine being able to
like It's a tradeoff, right, I think we called it
a monkey pause situation, either before we rolled or some
time earlier. It's a trade off. Would you would you
live looking like a human version of a naked mole rat? Uh?
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Knowing that you would be essentially immune to cancer, you
would not suffer pain from inflammation, um, and you would
live a very long time? Would you do that? Would
you rather be alive for like more than a century
and ugli at sin no judgment, blind and deaf, living
in darkness? I think that's another I don't know, that's
(30:54):
just me. Or would you rather be a naked mole
rat sized human that lives in a colony with the
queen and you can only make really one utterance? Uh?
That is a mimicry of of the queen? What does
it sounds like? It's kind of a chirp. Why don't
we hear one? Okay? What rough chirp slouches toward Bethlehem
(31:20):
to be born. That's that's the opposite of intimidity. I
think that's the thing. It's it's it's a cute kind
of mouse like little squeak and then you see what
that's coming from. And uh, doc mentioned before we got
going to uh the same as me. Honestly, my first
exposure to these things was in the Fallout series of
(31:40):
video games. But in that series they're like the size
of a large dog, but they otherwise look exactly the
same because there was nothing these video game designers could
have added to make them look more like a post
apocalyptic or terrifying um but yeah, no, thank you, Okay,
I got another before. You know what's scarier. One giant
mole rat like that size is coming at you, or
(32:03):
a thousand little tiny mole rats just slowly crawling towards you.
I know you didn't ask me, but definitely I think
a thousand You can run from one, you can dodge one,
you know, if it's like a sentient kind of just
like moving tide of mole rats like those little baby
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dinosaurs in Jurassic Park three, the little leaper ones. Yeah,
they look real cute, but then they like swarm all
over you and pick your pick the meat off your
bones while you're still alive. Do you think these guys
would what do you think they would do guys, if
they were to swarm you, do you think they have
a taste for human flesh. No, they're herbivorous and and
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poop eaters. What if well, then you know it's like
my one of my old instructors used to say, what's
the first thing you do if you wake up in
the middle of the woods, in the middle of nowhere. Uh,
the first thing you do is ask yourself how you've
got in that situation. You know what I mean? If
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the if the three of us are covered in poop,
there's a swarm of like a tidal wave of naked
mole rats rolling towards us, that's the moment I think
where the video pauses and you hear the v O
saying you're probably wondering how we got here. Also might
be time to reassess some life decisions at that point. Uh, yeah, no,
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I agree, You're right. It is the quintessential Walter White
with no pants on, pointing a gun in the direction
of blaring police sirens coming towards him on. Much more
terrifying and poop covered. Yeah. By the way, sorry, I
we we dropped a line about tiny little dinosaurs and
my mouth uttered. Cela cants. What I meant to say.
(33:50):
What I meant to say with was Compsignathan that everybody
can old this is amazing, okay, HeLa cat is a
very very um I know, I'm I like, I don't
understand a lot of social signals. I don't understand what
(34:10):
it is or isn't cute. But Ceili cats are generally
considered ugly trash fish. They are, however, an example of
a cryptid that was this redis rediscovered not too long ago.
They were thought to be extinct for millions of years
until some Europeans in on the African continent heard stories
(34:37):
about what sounded to them like this extinct fish. And
the locals said, no, you guys didn't discover anything. We
told you this fish is everywhere. It's it's a trash fish.
No one likes it. And they were like, we have
rediscovered so anyway, it's a real cryptic is the point.
So I think, exactly we talked about our cryptic episode,
(34:57):
and I think this is the one that has a
fun are you looking fin on the bottom that it
looks like it might be ready to become a leg
of some sort in the near evolutionary future, although it
never really made it. Um, it's okay, don't give up yet,
you know, go seelik and you know what, then go
naked mole rats. You don't want one is a pet.
(35:19):
I don't think you can get just one. They're very
much the pringles of mammals. Uh like sugar gliders. Right,
they have to come in pairs at least. But I'm
glad they're here. I hope that I hope we get
something for this species from the research. And I hope
that these uh, I hope these not particularly beautiful animals
(35:41):
live a long long time. I don't want them to
expand I think they're good where they are great, that
makes sense. Can you imagine if they took the place
of just your common household, you know, mouse, that'd be
a much scarier situation if you saw one of those
crawling out of your walls. Going Okay, I've had about
(36:05):
enough of this. Let's take a quick break and then'll
be back with more strange news. Hello, welcome back to
the show. And we've reached the point in our episode
where we're going to give you nightmares if you have
a significant other, especially if you sleep next to one
on a nightly basis. Here we go. Well, I mean,
(36:31):
see if you can do some kind of overlay with
the two stories and really really just jump start your
your night sweats. Okay, cool? So, Uh, pulling from a
New York Times article that was released on February five.
It is an update to an ongoing story, and here's
the headline, NYPD officer accused in plot to kill husband
(36:55):
will plead guilty. Kind of spoiling the ending here a
little bit. It's not quite the ending. But the reason
why we're even talking about it is because that that
piece of news came out very recently. But the full
story and the thing that I really want to talk
about today goes back way and I think twenty nineteen.
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So we're gonna jump back from that headline to tell
you the story about this police officer who had some
weird stuff go on in her life and uh, it
all started playing out in the news. Let's begin here.
So there's a husband and a wife. Okay, if you're
(37:37):
watching the video, I'm giving you some helpful visuals here. Uh.
The husband and wife have a child and they are
going through a divorce. Pretty messy, dealing a lot with
you know, who gets who gets to have custody of
this child. And I don't know the full story of
(37:58):
the ex husband and at his you know, situation is
as far as relationship goes. But we do know and
can confirm through reporting and through an investigation that the
ex wife had a boyfriend and the boyfriend it was
then on and off again the situation. And he had
a bit of a criminal past that where he had
(38:20):
been to court several times and accused of many a thing.
He was known. This guy was known to hang out
with a couple of people from the Sopranos, like the
actual Sopranos cast. Yeah. Sure, And I'm getting a lot
of this information about him. The boyfriend, his name's John Daruba,
(38:45):
getting it from the New York Post, not the best place,
But nobody's really talking about him much in the investigation
of reporting. Oh you know, John, you know he's doing
all right. He's allegedly connected to the Gaudy People, at
least a according to him, and the Gambino crime family.
So so the cast of I'm sorry, I'm on the Sopranos,
(39:06):
and the cast of the Sopranos hanging out with a
dude who's aligned with the Gatti family and isn't because
this can't be a coincidence, and they're doing it just
to get like, clue, this is way after the end
of the show. What's going on here? Allegedly this this
is all. This is all just to paint the picture
of this other person with whom the police officer was involved.
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Ok Um, just some weird thing. Not nobody knows. I
don't know how that involvement occurred, what to what extent
it was, but we know that at some point, because
of likely at least the custody battle. We do know
that this police officer, her name is Valerie Cincinnelli, and
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of course she is accused of these crimes. She is
not uh fully gone to trial. She is again as
we said at the top, going to plead guilty. At
least according to her attorney. She's accused of hiring a
hitman or at least talking to her boyfriend, that guy
John Dr Rubio Darrubo, about hiring a hit man to
(40:11):
kill the ex husband. And we know this because this guy,
who is a leisued lee connected to some crime family,
who is the boyfriend of this police officer, flipped on
her and started recording conversations and and then told her
that yeah, I know somebody who can who could do
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this for you. It'll take seven thousand dollars. Then somehow,
and this is really confusing to meet in the reporting
does not clear this up. Somehow it was going to
be seven thousand dollars to kill both her ex husband
and this boyfriend's teenage daughter. So the guy who's arranging
(40:55):
it his teenage daughter, I don't understand it. Good luck
to you as you read some pieces in your Times
and CBS and all over the place. It's confusing. It
doesn't make sense. Seven grand for two, I mean again again, sorry,
sorry not to get hung up. But in in the
nineties on the Sopranos, you'd get ten grand for one.
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It depends on the person really too. That's how are
they to get to Also, if they are if they're
running an op on this person, then they want to
have they want to have a price point that incentivizes
them to agree to it, right, you know. And and
oftentimes they want someone that's unconnected, uh, They that they
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wouldn't recognize somebody from a different part of town or
different stadium, and you know, so there's all kinds of calculations.
It's transport catering. You know, yeah, yeah, so Matt astute
listeners noticed surely that you said, uh, this, MYPD officer
(41:59):
will please uh guilty. But here's the question, what is
this officer pleading guilty to? We we do not know that.
That's why it's not really news. It's just this is
an excuse to talk about this story, which is utterly
fascinating to be and terrifying to me for a lot
of reasons. I gotta give you a couple more details though,
(42:20):
before you we jump into that. We don't we don't
know what she's pleading guilty too, because she's she's being
accused of several things to federal murder for higher charges
two counts of obstruction of justice um and she had
previously pled not guilty to to all of these charges.
So that seventh grand, the alleged seven grand that was
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going to be paid, we know that this officer took
that money out of an account and gave it to
the boyfriend. The boyfriend procured a little of over six thousand,
nine hundred something dollars in gold coins with that cash,
because allegedly, according to him him, that's the only way
the hit man would be paid the currency the the
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old guy took whoever it was gonna be UM, and
then this guy flipped was recording conversations the FBI and
local police there. They actually approached the ex husband and
they said, like, imagine this. Imagine someone coming to your door.
Whether whether you're a husband or a wife, you're a girlfriend, boyfriend, whatever,
(43:26):
it doesn't matter. Imagine the FBI showing up your door
and saying, hey, you're significant other has put a hit
out on you, UM, and this person has been planning
to kill you all winter. And we've actually been recording
conversations and working with the person that she was trying
to contract. We have an FBI officer now who is
acting and communicating with her as the hit man. What
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we need to do now is take you down to
this undisclosed location. We're gonna put you in the car.
We're gonna put a bunch of glass around you and
some fake blood and make it look like you've been
killed and that the hitman took a picture of you.
We're gonna send that picture to your ex wife and
like through this hitman's phone number, and then convince her
(44:11):
that you're dead in order to get her to communicate
with her boyfriend and try and cover her tracks, so
we can prove that she knew this was happening, that
she was planning to do this, and she's the one
who set it up, and that's exactly what they did. Like,
imagine that scenario. So you say, this will terrify people
(44:34):
with a significant other that they next to. Often. However,
from what I understand, the X and Cincinneli were in
the middle of quite an acrimonious divorce. Right, this is true.
This is true. I think what it mostly speaks to,
at least in a lot of the reporting and the
ensuing investigation, was that, uh, this person, Valerie was seen
(44:56):
as such a good upstandings person, an amazing police off.
Was her a kind person to children, she worked directly
with children. She you know, she was just viewed as
a paragon really, and then she also had this dark
side within her to do something like this. Now, we
don't know all the circumstances in their relationship, right, we
(45:18):
don't know what kind of beef there was between them.
We there's so many unanswered questions here, and we have
to remind everyone that Valerie Cincinnelli is still not guilty
until she you know until whatever occurs within the court system.
Um so, even though she is allegedly pleading guilty according
(45:40):
to her her attorneys, yeah to something, who knows? And
we know that since the boyfriend that we mentioned up
top there that may have those mob ties was a
bit of an unscrupulous character. Who knows what really happened
and what kind of you know, right? I mean the
guy the guys working directly with the FBI. I don't know.
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He was in court not long ago because he allegedly
was in a vehicle with somebody and this person had
a large diamond ring. And according to the transcripts or
at least the reporting that came from that trial, uh,
the boyfriend made mention of the weapon, the gun that
he had on him and about how oh no, the
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gaudy family will we'll we'll pay you tomorrow, We'll pay
you tomorrow. Get you got to get out of the car.
I have a gun, Get out of the car, leave
the leave the diamonds, and then just left and then
just left and that was it. At least that's what's
what he's accused of doing. Um, I don't know. Can
I can I give us a quote? I'd love to
share a quote from this this man. Uh, and so
(46:49):
Cincinnally was arrested in I believe Cork. So the news
that we have is that she is pleading guilty. So
this guy says about his on off again paramore, you know,
you think you were in love with someone, but it's
not what you think. You try so hard to overlook stuff,
(47:11):
but you just can't. That's that's his statement to the media. Um,
I think there's something fishy here, Matt, No, I think
I think a bargain was struck. Well. Yeah, the valerie's
attorney has made several statements that you can you can
watch right now in videos, uh, statements outside of a courthouse,
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you know, following or proceeding hearings, where he has stated
he stated that the character of this boyfriend is going
to be the largest thing in question and the biggest
thing that's explored within the trial itself or if you know,
if it is in fact a full trial. Um hm,
I don't know. I'm fascinated by this stuff. Or just
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what what do you what do you think? No, what
do you think, Ben? What do we do with something
like this? When you just don't know? Man? Like it's
like an incomplete it seems this the story is not
fully told yet. Yeah. You also you also, first off,
look at the web of connected entities and individuals. I
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love that you point out we have. I've said it before.
Every relationship is a foreign country basically, and if you
are trying to understand two people's relationship, especially if it's
a romantic one, you are always going to be an outsider.
So we have no idea what happened that led to
this this very messed up divorce, and that led to
this attempted assassination. Second thing, Lake City, quiet pills for
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the prose, you know what I mean. Don't take your
phone with you, don't. Don't. I'm not condoning this at all.
I'm just saying that if it's such a cliche, right,
if it appears to be too good to be true,
than it probably is. If you are ever, for some reason,
God forbid, in a situation where you're like, wow, just
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seven thousand to kill somebody. That's a that's a that's
actually kind of a great deal, then that probably means
you're being set up, you know what I mean? Like that,
I think the days of ordering um ordering professional operations
through things like Soldier of Fortune magazine are long going.
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We are in a surveillance state. Uh not for nothing.
Did that hit man want to have payment in gold?
But also how much gain trust the FBI. They straight
up manufactured some terrorists not too long ago. And we
we know this Stroven Yeah, uh yeah, Okay, Well, I
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hope the kids are okay because she she has two
children outside of that relationship. And yeah, they do have
a child together, so hopefully that kid makes it out
all right, no matter what happens here. All right, Well,
I think that's all for this one, guys, strange news
indeed to the tune of Strange Days. Indeed, for anybody
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you think are some common mistakes people make when they
are trying to hire an assassin. We did also, by
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the assassination or targeted killing community reach out to us
regarding our history of assassins episode. And we're currently as
we speak, working out how and if we will talk
to them, possibly on air, So no promises, but also
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that you look like a naked mole rat? Would you
make that trade off? I don't know, don't know. That's
I'm still on defense because of how they look and
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