A man in Oklahoma claims he committed murder to prevent the victim from summoning Bigfoot. Former Japanese Prime Minister Shinzo Abe is assassinated. It turns out millions of people believe experiments at CERN's Large Hadron Collider may have pushed reality into "another timeline." All this and more in this week's Strange News.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called
me Ben, and we're joined as always with our super
producer Alexis code named Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you
are you, You are here, and that meets this the
stuff they don't want you to know. It's the top
of yet another strange week. People are asking if we
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are in the wrong timeline. People are impressed and terrified
by improvised firearms, and there's much much more, and we'll
get to those stories eventually. But what better way to
open up this weekly strange news segment than by uh,
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one of one of the favorite questions of mine and
maybe yours as well. No, Matt, what's what's on your mind? Huge?
Huge question for me? She keeps me up nights. Well,
what's on what's on my mind, guys, is whether or
not I or anyone else can quote summon Bigfoot. That
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is what's on my mind. Because I've got a story
for you guys coming out of Oklahoma. Title is Oklahoma
man murdered noodling partner who summoned Bigfoot to come and
kill him. According to Bury, the lead their noodling. I
think I know what this is, but some people may not.
This is catching catfish with your fingers, right, shooting your
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hand down in there and pulling up a big slammy
catfish the old Appalachian martial arts. Correct. You can you
you can lose some fingers on that one if you've
tried it before. Actually, I uh, I've hung with some
noodlers back in the day, and our good friend Lyle
who works with us, I think has also done that.
That are frog gigging, but beore and no idea are
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gigs gigs man gigs but but the contains multitudes? Is
an interesting cat The weird thing about it, though, is
it's already a very dangerous thing. Catfish don't play and
if you get you get a big one, it can
take your finger with it. That's right. And yes, guys,
in this case, unfortunately more than fingers were lost in
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this incident. Um reading. This story, by the way, comes
to us from Law and Crime. That's Law and Crime
dot com. The stories reported in Let's see kt E,
N NBC and ABC affiliate, a CBS affiliate, FOX affiliate
all there in the Oklahoma area reading this one because
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the long crime article had the most information. Fifty three
year old man who is currently in jail. Uh, he
was noodling, as you guys were talking about and describing submerging.
He was submerged in water with another man. They were
both fishing for catfish with their bare hands. I'll just
tell you their names. The man who is currently in
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custody is named Larry Sanders, not from the famous television
show with the same name. Uh. The other person, the
victim here, his name is Jimmy Knighton k n I
g h T E N. Yeah right. There was a
press release put out via Facebook by the Oklahoma State
Bureau of Investigation wherein they detailed exactly what we mentioned
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in the title here that the excuse, the defense perhaps
that is being used by Larry Sanders is that the
reason why he killed this person, Mr Knighton, is because Mr.
Knighton was attempting to or had summoned Bigfoot, and Bigfoot
was going to come and injure. Yeah. Thing that just
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that sounds like a very lame serious but that's what
you do. You make out a specific vocalization. And I
gotta I gotta say to Matt, I pictured it being
the other way around. That it was like he sacrificed
him in order to summon Bigfoot, but he in fact
was a feared for his life because his noodling mate
had issued the call or done something. I want to
know what what tipped him off? Why? Why did he
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think his friend had done this thing? Is there like
a big Foot bat signal? Is that what it is?
Did he see did you see a shadow across this guy?
I've got the same questions I opened the segment with.
I want to find out if I can summon Bigfoot? Right. Uh,
I'm going to read you a statement that we're getting
from Sheriff John Christian. This is a quote from long
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crime quote. So his statement was that Mr Knighton had
summoned Bigfoot to come and kill him and that's why
he had to kill Mr Knighton. And the sheriff adds
that Mr Sanders quote appeared to be under the influence
of something which you may or may not lead to
the belief that his partner, his noodling partner had summoned
big Foot in some way. There's some psychedelic noodling, perhaps
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maybe a little bit of you know, help you really focus.
That feels more along the lines of reality to me, Ben,
But we can't confirm that um Mr Knighton's body was
found by Sheriff's deputies not long ago. On Sunday, July,
we are recording this ont and Sanders apparently confessed. He
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also apparently told some family members what he had done
prior to being arrested. What was the means of the
coup de gras? If I may ask, I do not know.
It appears to be I think the way it was
described in this other article is that there was a
struggle between the two men. Got it lord of the
rings Gallum style when they fight, I'm picturing too bad.
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Maybe maybe one of them had the big Foot ring.
I don't know. I just know that they fought. They
for some reason got into a fight in the water,
probably and one of them was killed. Ben. Do you
remember when we interviewed the gentleman who has the expedition
Bigfoot Museum out in uh Blue Range, and it was
it was between him and another guy might be mixing
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my stories. But the idea of Bigfoot being a a
supernatural creature that can like teleproat and and has all
kinds of like abilities. There was a story somebody told
us about him running underneath the truck on all fours
and like blipping in and out of existence. And now
this to me is is interesting cause I'm picturing it
lining up with this idea of Bigfoot being a summonable
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entity rather than just a forgotten species of you know, Neanderthal. Well,
there are ways to summon all sorts of wild animals, right,
higher order animal like a primate creature. It could be summoned, right.
It can be in heist toward an area. I don't
know if it's ethical to do that. All you have
to do is use the beast moor pot that you
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you have to get a cracked pot to craft it.
I'm kidding. This is not an Elden ring. This is
real life. It actually has died. Um. But the person
you're mentioning expedition Bigfoot is David Bickera, and he he's
the one who told us that in many stories. He's
a fantastic guy. He's a true believer too, But he
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doesn't have a problem fielding some of the difficult questions
we post. He wouldn't kill us, is what I'm saying.
He wouldn't kill us if we went fishing. I don't
think so. He might teach us how to summon. I
don't know. For some reason, when I hear the word summon,
I picture like, you know, incantations rather than just like
a whistle or your mom calling you home for dinner.
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You know, I do too. I imagine the ritual we
perform every time we're in the studio shooting with Ben Right. Um,
It's sorry, it's an inside joke for anybody who watched
that one video they're about. Okay, I was there. I
was there. I do want to report back, guys. According
to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, Um Sanders reported
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to them, like confessed to them that he struck so
striking and then he strangled Mr Knighton. So that's exactly
the same way that Gollum went. Are the Gollum did
in his h his buddy striking strangle? Yes, I have
the same images conjured in my head when I hear
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the words summon, and I started searching around just trying
to find something. Is there a Sasquatch ritual. Is there
a big foot, you know, summoning thing like potion? You
can create that kind of thing. The closest thing I found, you, guys,
comes from a person named Sybil Kempson K E M
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P S O N. She's created some kind of performance
titled Sasquatch Rituals. It's produced by Sarah Hughes. You can
find it on Sarah Cameron Hughes h U G h
E S dot com. Uh, it's fascinating stuff. I'm gonna
read a tiny bit from the website here. Sasquatch Rituals
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is a cycle of performance ritual installations initiated by Sybil
Kempson that tracks and responds to her spiral shaped experiences
as an investigator for the Bigfoot Field Research Organization. It
begins with the patterns of language Americans use on the
Internet to describe something they can't explain, and it says
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the piece contains field observations from a bunch of others
and hundreds of witnesses who shall remain anonymous, and research
personalities who will become increasingly infamous. I guess that is
what I said. Um, so really cool, because that is
a real organization the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. You can
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find them at b f are a dot net can
check that out. It's people who are really attempting to
find Bigfoot out there, trying to summon Bigfoot when they're
researching generally out in the woods somewhere, and they're all
kinds of ways to summon Bigfoot or to increase your
chances of seeing Bigfoot, at least according to a website
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called Bigfoot Sightings dot Org, which you can check out. Uh,
this is the standard kind of stuff that we've heard before.
You know, the wood knocks, certain vocalizations that you can make.
It's even said on this page, Yes, exactly, it's said
on this page that you can if you play music
and you create an inviting, positive, I don't know, vibe
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at your campsite wherever you are, you increase the chances
that Bigfoot will make some kind of appearance, whether audible
or visual. Yeah, or if you just play the movie Vibes.
They love it. They've got great taste in film. And
if you want to encounter a Sasquatch, take it from us,
just play the soundtrack of Vibes, just the cool clips,
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you know, um, and let us know your results. What
method did the local law use to summon Bigfoot for
an interview? Matt, I don't know. You're saying they didn't
interview the Sasquatch. We don't. We don't have we don't
have a statement from the Sasquatch at this moment. That's shoddy.
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That's let's just not due diligence. I think. Well, I'm
obviously I'm just playing around, but I would love the
idea of sasquatch being discovered via a police statement or
a sheriff's statement, maybe kind of a it just comes
out of the well, you know. I mean, the most
surefire way to summon a Pacific Northwest sasquatch is just
to roll up and light up a little something, and
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that smell will waft into the into the pines, and uh,
we'll carry the big Foot like like in the cartoons
where the smell of the pie on the window sill
kind of carries peppi lepew, you know, by his nostrils.
That's how. Yeah, let's say get a sasquatch to come
hang out with you. You gotta smoke him out, oh man.
But not not not in like a way you know,
a good way or hopefully yeah, exactly. According to live
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outdoors dot Com, guys, Humboldt County is one of the
best places to search for a big foot. Gee, I
wonder why that might be. Yeah, they go. They're known
for their they're known for their waffetables. Yeah, I don um.
This is interesting, Matt, is this? Uh? What's what's next? Here?
Is there? Is there something to keep an eye on
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as details emerge? Yes, the Office of the Chief Medical
Examiner is conducting an autopsy on Mr Knighton's body to
determine the official cause and manner of death. And Uh,
Larry Sanders, the person who murdered here, is currently in
jail in the Ponta Talk County Jail, and if he's
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found guilty of first degree murder, he could face the
death penalty there. So I guess just you know, we'll
try and keep an eye on it. You do the same,
and we'll just see what happens. I want to hear
more information. I'd love to get more info from Larry
Sanders about what he believed, especially after after being detained,
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dur incarcerated for some time. If there's something in his system,
then hopefully it will have run its course or flushed out.
I do feel like we're having some fun with this story,
but I do feel it's very important as always to
point out addiction is a disease more so than a crime.
It led to a crime if there were drugs involved here,
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But if you or someone you know is in a
bad spot or struggling, then there are many, many resources
to contact. You can even write to us if you want,
and we can supply those resources to you. I'm a
lot of fun at parties. No, you're absolutely right. Then
we're joking around a little bit. But this also makes
me think of the incident with the two young women
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in the whole slender Man thing. They there there was
a murder that took place, you know, around uh, you know,
summoning of like a malevolent spirit of some kind. And
if I'm not mistaken, at the very least there was
some severe mental illness involved in that. If not outright
drug induced psychosis, well there was at least um I
can't remember. I think there was forethought because they lured
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her out. They thought about but it was a long
term m But for now, just be careful who you
noodle with. We'll be right back with more strange news,
And we're back with more strange news. This one's really
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been capturing my imagination in a lot of ways. As
we know, we've reported on NiFe attacks in Japan in
the past, and and I have mentioned that because of
the law they're uh, you know that is very prohibitive
surrounding firearms, that's typically what you're going to see is
you're going to see these kind of flash in the
pan public knife things, which are horrific and terrifying, but
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it's just not as easy to kill a large number
of people being as an individual attacker with a knife
as it is with a machine gun of some kind
or assault rifle. Rather um this surrounds the story of
the former Japanese Prime Minister Shenzo Abe, who I'm sure
many people have have heard um in the press was
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recently assassinated. But he was not knife. He was shot.
And the thing that's captured my imagination most about this
is the gun with which he was shot really looks
like something out of like one of the Fallout games.
It is a kind of amalgamation of pipes and plastic
fittings and wires, and it's it's you know, very d
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I y It looks like a prop. You'd see it
like a you know, comic con or something with literally
someone dressed up as a fallout character or some kind
of dystopian future S five scenario. The guy who who
killed um Abe was a guy by the name of
Tetsuya Yamagami, and when his home was was rated, law
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enforcement found a series of these crude um electronically propelled
pipe guns, some of which were I think, you know,
they were referred to as shotguns essentially. I think the
largest one was like a nine barrel shotguns, so it's
like three rows of three barrels um and the one
that was used to kill Abe, I believe was six.
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But really fascinating stuff, and it's the kind of thing
that you know, anybody who's industrious enough to to look
up or figure out, you know, really invent things like
this could cobble something like this together, and you know,
they're pretty much untraceable. It goes back to issues we
have here in the States with things called ghost guns
or you can get these, you know, various parts from
different UH dealers that are all under the radar, like
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on the on the dark web, and it's just near
impossible to trace the thing with legally procured firearms that
they're they're traceable. There's even like riflings on the barrel
that caused like a signature on the bullet, so you
can match it to the gun. UM and serial numbers
and all of that and registration. I mean, say what
you will about the lax gun laws in America. At
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least it's better than having no paper trail at all.
But you know, that's a conversation for another day. But yeah,
this this whole idea of being able to kind of
you know, d I y yourself up a gun that
can actually kill somebody is really fascinating to me. Um.
And it took the life of of of this former
prime minister in a country where I think gun possession
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is punishable by life in prison, Ben, if not, if
not death, it's very, very very strict. Ben. You know
a little bit more about the background of gun laws
in Japan. Yeah, you can't buy him at Walmart. That's
that's that's one thing. But that Yeah, so gun laws
in Japan are much more strict then they are you
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know in the US. You could say that about a
lot of countries. Honestly, at least on the books, and
this has made shootings not just rare in the country
but unfathomable. Keep in mind to post World War two,
Japan doesn't have a standing military. They have a self
defense force, which is you know, kind of slitting hairs maybe,
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but that's why that's why this person went and built
their own thing. And know I believe that the There
are tons of theories about the motivations. Thank you to
everybody who's been writing to me about these have been
in some really weird conversations, fascinating ones. But but it's
it's like easier for this guy to build something basically
than to buy something because of the amount of um difficulty.
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You have to have an all day class, you have
to have a written test, you have to have a
shooting range tests with accuracy. That's just to get the license,
and then you have to drug test, mental evaluation like
a background check that's pretty thorough. They look at your finances,
like how much debt do you have? Have you ever
messed with the yakuza, what are your friends and family like?
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They try to get at all before something gets in
your hands, and because of that, it is easier to
hold to this guy. Also, by the way didn't use
the nine barrel, uh, the nine barrel homemade because it
didn't fit I think the parameters of his mission as
he put it, or something like that, Right, that makes sense.
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There's even a thing here, at least what I'm reading
in cfr dout Org, that you have to report where
your weapons are stored and where your ammunition is stored,
like you have to tell the government that. Can you
imagine if that was a rule here in the US
wouldn't be It's just not possible. They can't and you know,
it's just not looking again, we're not getting into a
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debate about about gun laws here. I will, you know,
be the first one to say that they're pretty whack.
But you know these are maybe a little overboard. Um
and somewhere in the middle is maybe where the sweet
spot is. But you know, Japan is a country with
a population of a five million and there have only
been ten gun related deaths uh in the past year,
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you know, total, as opposed to what we see here,
you know, where there's a new mass shooting every freaking day.
It's to the point where it's almost like hard to
keep track. So yeah, it's it's interesting have been the
whole Yakuza angle is fascinating, cause even in Yakuza films,
the mythology and the whole glorification of violence isn't surrounding guns.
It's usually like weapons like knives and flails and you know,
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samurai stories and stuff that it's not really even. And honestly,
if there are movies around Yakuza that have guns, it's
usually so over the top and cartoonish as to be
almost satire. It's like it's like asap Rock always says
a fast card, danger, fire and knives. That's like Yakuza's style.
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But also, you know, to me, it's really interesting conversation
with several folks on Instagram, and one of the things
that really stands out about this is there was a
minimum security detail. This is an open shot from the back.
Apparently there's no situational awareness. I'm quoting a friend of
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mine who were going to keep anonymous here. Uh. The
shooter took the shot from less than twenty feats. They're
very close, which makes sense for a homemade uh. And
then two shots of the first missed. Yeah. I mean,
I certainly find the lengths to which he went pretty
compelling in terms of like the ingenuity to to build
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something like this. I mean again, I don't know. I
haven't dug into the depths of the dark web when
it comes to schematics or whatever it might be out there.
There's certainly d i y communities for say, synthesizers and
electronics and like build kits for microphones and stuff, So
I can't imagine there wouldn't be that for these types
of weapons. Possibly, you know, just buried a little deeper,
since there's potential for being tied to something like that
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if you're like on a message board that you know,
kind of trades in those kind of things. But there's
weird stuff about Abbe himself, Like, you know, the motivations
aren't clear particular, but I believe he's been tied to
some sort of religious movement that's controversial, um, and there's
some talk that there might be connections with that as
far as a lone wolf kind of situation. You know,
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who knows. Maybe this is a person acting on the
authority of others or were part of a small group. Um.
But the thing that's also interesting is this really is
causing the government of Japan to kind of re evaluate,
which is crazy considering how stringent they are their gun
laws like. There's a statement from the professor of the
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College of Risk Management and Nihon University in Tokyo, UH.
The AP reported UM. He said this serves a wake
up call the gun violence can happen in Japan and
security to protect Japanese politicians must be re examined. To
assume this kind of attack will never happen would be
a big mistake. UM. And you know, President Joe Biden
said that he believed this had a profound impact on
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the psyche of the Japanese people and that it's a
different culture not used to gun violence as unfortunately we are. UM.
So I think this is also a wake up call
should be probably won't be um two lawmakers in our
country that this is something that is in eight uh
and that if someone wants to carry out a crime,
they're gonna go to whatever means necessary to do that. UM.
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And just making guns so ridiculously available with such kind
of meager background checks and and and all that stuff
is certainly will help. But at the end of the day,
if someone really wants to do it, they're probably gonna
do it. UM. The last thing is that there was
some interesting chatter or kind of a you know, a
whole I guess scandal around some four Chan posts that
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connected the legendary video game developer Hideo Kajima, who did
like um the metal Gear, Solid games and all that stuff,
and um death stranding I think is the most recent one,
but you know, considered like an absolute genius in the field. Um.
Some folks shared images of him with UM the text
the far left kills and tying him directly to the
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assassinations and again like these these guns look like something
out of a video game. So I could see maybe
someone posting this as a joke. UM. And apparently someone
posted it not as a joke, er reposted it and
the person since deleted. Uh that this tweet an issue
an apology. Sanday Nai naively took a joke as information
and was wrong not to check. But could Juma Productions
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actually released a statement saying, UH, they condemn the spread
of fake news and rumors that convey false information and
will not tolerate such libel and will consider taking legal
action in some cases. Um. Mr Abbe of course did
pass away after he was shot um to your point
band at pre relatively close range. Um, And uh, the subspect,
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Tetsuya Yamagami has actually confessed to the killing. So I
think this is very interesting culturally outside of Japan. I
think it's something to to definitely keep an eye on
and see how this progresses. And with that, let's take
another break and we'll come back with a final piece
of strange news for today. And we have returned with
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one more story that is probably going to be familiar
to many of our long time fellow conspiracy realist CERN
the home of the large head drawn Collider UH. This
thing has been doing some amazing science for a while now.
It has also been a regular recurring star in many
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many UH conspiracy theories, stuff like hey, Siren is creating
a black hole, stuff like miniature black holes, or will
turning nodser and destroy the Earth? That was a big one, Matt,
you remember from our house of works they UH. But
think some part to TikTok. There's a new theory on
the block, and you will find tons of people insisting
(26:09):
that CERN has actually shifted the timeline, that the world
we are living in now has um altered in fundamental
ways from the world in which we formerly resided. Now,
the multiverse as a concept is on everybody's mind. We
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were into it before Marvel thought it was cool. Right,
We've all had these really trippy off air conversations about
this um. But first I want to ask before we
dive in. Have you guys heard of this? Are you?
Are you familiar with the the certain conspiracy theory, the
two point five version very much. A lot of people
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on Clubhouse believe this, at least they say they do.
I'm seeing it popping all over the place, Like you
said on TikTok, I'm seeing even Instagram like reels, just
lots of social media posts about it, like cerns gearing
back up. You know what that means. We're jumping timelines again.
I hadn't seen the details been anywhere, So just what
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have you heard about? I only get my news from TikTok.
Just for the record, so I only get my news
from this old man who lives inside a sewer across
the street from me. It's very like it's style. I
just go over there, azing, he's always giggling. Yeah, yeah,
(27:37):
he's I mean, he's got his he's got his ear
to the street. Literally. But news sources aside, it is
important to know where where your sources come from. But
this all began. The genesis of this begins when after
three years of not being active, CERN is turned on
once more. And it's not like it was collecting to us,
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those three years were spent doing maintenance and putting in
a number of upgrades. And when Certain was turned on,
it observed three exotic particles for the first time, So
it's doing significant science. They're looking into stuff like the pentacuark,
which is a thing that I was unaware of. Uh.
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And then they're also breaking records for the highest energy
particle collisions ever performed, you know. And this like a
lot of people heard about in the conversation of the
so called God particle right Uh. And now it's back
in the news. As he said, propagated by social media.
I wanted to read you guys some of the thoughts.
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Here's one from Twitter quote. So nobody else is concerned
that the Certain collider will be turning on July five
and opening up a portal and letting some dark sided
come through. And then someone else says July five, Cern,
it's time to get right with God and protect your
energy hashtag sir, just really drive it home. Uh. And
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then on July five, will be feeling a sudden shift
in the universe. It will feel like we've changed timelines.
Do your research about sird. If you think things have
been weird, it's about to feel even weirder. Protect your
energy at all costs from negative meditate. That one ends
with meditate. Uh, let's see. I'll do the last one
here anticipating the activation, sir, and got me feeling some
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type of way the gives you the right to be
opening portals? And isn't two crazy enough? She's so what
do you guys? They has that changed your mind? Miley?
Thing is what? What? What? What is? I don't understand
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the assertion that shooting particles, you know, at very high speeds,
like you said, the highest speeds that we've ever done,
that shooting them fastly we ever had before, and and
colliding them for research. Where does that inslate into creating
a portal? Is it the Is it people's like visualization
of portals in video games and and fiction like movies,
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where the portals are this kind of like oval shaped
thing and they're just imagining that that high energy particles
doing that will open on some kind of portal. Clearly,
you're not up to data on stranger things. They explain
all the science in the new season. It's all right there. Now, Yeah,
that's fun. It's a good question, and yeah, fun show.
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It's a good question to Matt, and it's one that
you're you're applying some much needed critical thought to this aspect. First, yes,
certain is doing new science. People have not done this before,
so it is highly likely that new, unexpected things will happen.
The question is whether those things will be disastrous or apocalyptic,
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and the answer, as we found every time we look
into this over the years, the answer is no. Right. Basically,
the answer is that if the world ends, it won't
be because of cern. And I think we all feel
all right saying that, based on the conversations we've had
with scientists, based on the papers we've read, in the
(31:18):
research we've done, a lot of the quote unquote danger
of cern has been overblown. But what stood out to
me is one, there's not a ton of in depth
explanation about how this parallel universe timeline theory would work.
But there's also when I first started looking at it,
there wasn't a ton of explanation about why July Why
(31:42):
July five? Right? Uh? My old man's birthday, by the way,
So he loved this because he was like, oh, it
involves me somehow. Well, I think you should look into it.
And I'm kidding, but uh, but it all goes back
to Apoe just about a portal of astrological proportions. The
(32:05):
original post is something like be ready for July five everyone,
That's all I'm saying. Protect your energy, be alert, don't
do things that lower your vibration, your energy, or your focus.
Certain will be opening a portal on July five, that
began getting it ready when the planets aligned on June.
Does that persuade you? So? Wait, So this is like
(32:26):
this is an intentional portal opening? Is the conjecture here? Yeah? Yeah,
because the stars to end. They just want to watch
the world burn or get sucked into a black hole.
Like I don't understand these certain fellas what they're what
they're up to. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's not really explained,
and a lot of the people who are reporting on
(32:49):
this theory or purporting to believe it are in disagreement themselves.
You know, there's some folks on YouTube who are saying
this is a portal to hell. And then you can
find lectures about astrology, etcetera, etcetera. But I would ask
how many people genuinely believe this? And here's why. TikTok
(33:10):
is a heavily competitive social media environment, which is the
most corporate thing I've said today, But but it's true.
And if you want to succeed quote unquote succeed in
uh in an environment like TikTok, then you want a
video to be shared and viewed many, many times, which
(33:33):
means you want to nail something in the zeitgeist. So
I asked this question to myself pretty often on social media.
When you see a trend of a conversation and it
seems like something a lot of people are believing that's
kind of easy to debunk, then you have to ask
yourself about their motivations are they Are they posting this
(33:53):
because they want to tell you the truth about cern
or the flat earth or insert here, or do they
want eyeballs and clicks? You know? How what what would
you pretend to believe for millions of views? You know? Well, yeah,
I know, I know exactly what you're saying, and all
of that feels very real to me as a motivation
(34:13):
for some but for others, I think it's just fear
about this thing that a very select few number of
people ever go to, ever work on, you know, under
even understand the science behind um in it is. I mean,
there's been actual reporting from certain itself. They make statements.
Do you remember back in the day, Ben when the
(34:35):
LHC was first becoming a thing and they put out
statements about microscopic black holes. That was that was one
of the big talking points. Everybody was worried about the
black holes, so that this thing is going to create
and they had to come forward and explain like there
it's very unlikely that this this collider will create black holes,
(34:57):
microscopic black holes, but if it does, here's the science
behind a black hole of that size, because of the
actual energies that are being produced here, or that that
the protons contain that are being shot together. And it
was just it was they had to talk people out
of a fear quite uh adamantly, I guess, yeah, And
(35:21):
that's I mean, it's understandable. It's it's a rational fear
to have, and a lot of it goes back to
the way science is reported to the public. Right, what
makes what makes a headline that elicits an emotion. What
what compels people to read from one sentence to the next,
and so on and so on. But this does a
(35:42):
disservice because it encourages, again a very rational fear to expand,
and it doesn't seek to check that fear right because
redactions and corrections always run at the back of the paper,
never on the front. Everywhere you see the headline. So
I I know that people are coming from an honest
(36:04):
place here, and I want to agree in part with
this because we are, you know, civilization is forging into
unknown territory and certain itself phrases things and really interesting,
uh intriguing ways. For example, their current run, which is
scheduled to run through five, is trying to answer several questions.
(36:29):
The Times characterize their questions this way. Where did the
universe come from? Why is it made of matta rather
than anti matta? What is the doc matter that suffuses
the cosmos? How does the Higgs particle itself have mass?
Before we got to that last sentence, he sounded like
space villains. You've seen Stranger Things season four, that's at
(36:52):
least that person has. This is wild, Yeah, and of
course we want to visit sir, and I would love
to check it out. Yeah, my god. But also I
think it surely you have to have you have to
be credentials. We could maybe have have some pull We
could try, um, you know, pulling some strings, see if
(37:13):
we have any juice at cern or suction as they say.
But there's another bigger thing at play here, which is
just in general, the concept of reality. I think part
I think that's become an ingredient of the current fear
and theories because the idea of multiple realities is increasingly
(37:33):
in the zeitgeist, you know, at least in our version
of reality, the Mandela effect. It's something I get questions
about increasingly every single month. Right, Marvel movies, everything everywhere,
all at once, which was awesome, awesome ride. Uh. They
explore the idea of multiverses. Various religions have explored concepts
(37:57):
like this as well. On a spiritual tip, you have
to wonder why people are searching for that kind of
it's like the search for the soul. Right, the more
you learn about the human body, the less likely it
seems there is a soul. But the idea that people
continue doing that is in a way it's kind of
(38:20):
proof of something like a soul. It makes that search
even more compelling and strange. So why are people right
now obsessed with multiple universes? Do you guys think it's
just that everyone's had a really rough two years. Do
you think it's just the Marvel effect? What is it?
It's always been inching clot device. Well, oh, that's a
(38:41):
good point where reaching critical mass perhaps, But I mean
to but I mean, you know, Matt, you're into the
invisibles and a lot of the weirdo kind of you know,
um kind of alternative comics and stuff. And then I
know you are too. We all are. But I mean
that's always been an interesting plot point in in you know,
books like that, uh is, alternate universes and alternaate dimensions
(39:03):
and traveling to you know, places where there's like a
bizarro world versions of yourself or hell, even like back
to the future. You can consider time travel being like
alternate timelines. I think it's just part of our upbringing,
you know, pop culturally speaking. Well, yeah, and we're simultaneously
the most connected we've ever been, or feel like we're
the most connected we've ever been to everyone and the
(39:24):
absolute least physically connected. And then when you know, all this,
like this terrifying stuff is happening around us, and on
the horizon, it always feels like something new and awful
is on the way. That's just kind of piles on
top of the last thing. It's just our anxiety. Is
that maximum right now? I think? Yeah. The motto of
(39:44):
the year two is simply what now? You know what
I mean, Like every time you read the news, you
know the what no? Moment? Every every time I crossed
the street and talk to the creepy guy in the sewer,
who is again my only source of news? It's a
what now? Situation? And people are I think, of course,
news is incentivized in many ways to be negative, which
(40:07):
I think is a woeful miscalculation. But um, because of
that paradoxical connection you're talking about, Matt, people are more
aware of things they ordinarily would not have been cognizant of. Right,
So they're seeing more bad news. It's not necessarily true
that more bad things are happening. It's just that the
(40:29):
average person is more likely to be informed about them.
And that's that's a good thing overall, But then it
also creates all kinds of feedback loops, all kinds of
um increasingly extremists beliefs, arguments, and viewpoints. Um, I don't know.
(40:50):
I think humans know so very little about the nature
of reality that it would be somewhat arrogant to say
this is the only one, wouldn't it? You would what
are you going? Off? Vibes? Going off vibes and you're like,
hek is it? This is the one reminder to go
and rent vibes if you can, on the streaming service
(41:12):
of your choice. Have you you're the odd man out here?
I think Ben and I both Ben, You've been screaming
its praises for years and I finally watched it, and
I found it to be quite a romp and and
very relevance to just about everything we talked about on
this show. You're right. Jeff Goldbloom calls it, uh the
reason he wakes up and acts in another timeline, That's
(41:35):
what he calls it. There we go. This is like
the new rhetorical device we're going to use. But at
this point, you know, because this brings up so many questions,
some of which people can't answer. Similar to Blake LeMoyne's
conversations about lambda and the nature of sentience and the soul,
since it brings up these unanswerable questions. We would love
(41:56):
your perspective on the idea of multi verse, like a
multiversell structure of reality, parallel world's timelines? Can they be
disrupted all of that community episode which is still great? Actually, uh,
let us know the pizza. Yes, yeah, and we got
(42:18):
we got meaned on that one, so thanks. Uh holly On,
Here's where it gets crazy. What do you think is
up with the assassination of former Prime Minister Abe in Japan?
And what are your tips for summoning Bigfoot? We are
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are in the wrong timeline. People are impressed and terrified
by improvised firearms, and there's much much more, and we'll
get to those stories eventually. But what better way to
open up this weekly strange news segment than by uh,
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one of one of the favorite questions of mine and
maybe yours as well. No, Matt, what's what's on your mind? Huge?
Huge question for me? She keeps me up nights. Well,
what's on what's on my mind, guys, is whether or
not I or anyone else can quote summon Bigfoot. That
(01:27):
is what's on my mind. Because I've got a story
for you guys coming out of Oklahoma. Title is Oklahoma
man murdered noodling partner who summoned Bigfoot to come and
kill him. According to Bury, the lead their noodling. I
think I know what this is, but some people may not.
This is catching catfish with your fingers, right, shooting your
(01:49):
hand down in there and pulling up a big slammy
catfish the old Appalachian martial arts. Correct. You can you
you can lose some fingers on that one if you've
tried it before. Actually, I uh, I've hung with some
noodlers back in the day, and our good friend Lyle
who works with us, I think has also done that.
That are frog gigging, but beore and no idea are
(02:13):
gigs gigs man gigs but but the contains multitudes? Is
an interesting cat The weird thing about it, though, is
it's already a very dangerous thing. Catfish don't play and
if you get you get a big one, it can
take your finger with it. That's right. And yes, guys,
in this case, unfortunately more than fingers were lost in
(02:35):
this incident. Um reading. This story, by the way, comes
to us from Law and Crime. That's Law and Crime
dot com. The stories reported in Let's see kt E,
N NBC and ABC affiliate, a CBS affiliate, FOX affiliate
all there in the Oklahoma area reading this one because
(02:57):
the long crime article had the most information. Fifty three
year old man who is currently in jail. Uh, he
was noodling, as you guys were talking about and describing submerging.
He was submerged in water with another man. They were
both fishing for catfish with their bare hands. I'll just
tell you their names. The man who is currently in
(03:17):
custody is named Larry Sanders, not from the famous television
show with the same name. Uh. The other person, the
victim here, his name is Jimmy Knighton k n I
g h T E N. Yeah right. There was a
press release put out via Facebook by the Oklahoma State
Bureau of Investigation wherein they detailed exactly what we mentioned
(03:42):
in the title here that the excuse, the defense perhaps
that is being used by Larry Sanders is that the
reason why he killed this person, Mr Knighton, is because Mr.
Knighton was attempting to or had summoned Bigfoot, and Bigfoot
was going to come and injure. Yeah. Thing that just
(04:10):
that sounds like a very lame serious but that's what
you do. You make out a specific vocalization. And I
gotta I gotta say to Matt, I pictured it being
the other way around. That it was like he sacrificed
him in order to summon Bigfoot, but he in fact
was a feared for his life because his noodling mate
had issued the call or done something. I want to
know what what tipped him off? Why? Why did he
(04:32):
think his friend had done this thing? Is there like
a big Foot bat signal? Is that what it is?
Did he see did you see a shadow across this guy?
I've got the same questions I opened the segment with.
I want to find out if I can summon Bigfoot? Right. Uh,
I'm going to read you a statement that we're getting
from Sheriff John Christian. This is a quote from long
(04:52):
crime quote. So his statement was that Mr Knighton had
summoned Bigfoot to come and kill him and that's why
he had to kill Mr Knighton. And the sheriff adds
that Mr Sanders quote appeared to be under the influence
of something which you may or may not lead to
the belief that his partner, his noodling partner had summoned
big Foot in some way. There's some psychedelic noodling, perhaps
(05:16):
maybe a little bit of you know, help you really focus.
That feels more along the lines of reality to me, Ben,
But we can't confirm that um Mr Knighton's body was
found by Sheriff's deputies not long ago. On Sunday, July,
we are recording this ont and Sanders apparently confessed. He
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also apparently told some family members what he had done
prior to being arrested. What was the means of the
coup de gras? If I may ask, I do not know.
It appears to be I think the way it was
described in this other article is that there was a
struggle between the two men. Got it lord of the
rings Gallum style when they fight, I'm picturing too bad.
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Maybe maybe one of them had the big Foot ring.
I don't know. I just know that they fought. They
for some reason got into a fight in the water,
probably and one of them was killed. Ben. Do you
remember when we interviewed the gentleman who has the expedition
Bigfoot Museum out in uh Blue Range, and it was
it was between him and another guy might be mixing
(06:24):
my stories. But the idea of Bigfoot being a a
supernatural creature that can like teleproat and and has all
kinds of like abilities. There was a story somebody told
us about him running underneath the truck on all fours
and like blipping in and out of existence. And now
this to me is is interesting cause I'm picturing it
lining up with this idea of Bigfoot being a summonable
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entity rather than just a forgotten species of you know, Neanderthal. Well,
there are ways to summon all sorts of wild animals, right,
higher order animal like a primate creature. It could be summoned, right.
It can be in heist toward an area. I don't
know if it's ethical to do that. All you have
to do is use the beast moor pot that you
(07:07):
you have to get a cracked pot to craft it.
I'm kidding. This is not an Elden ring. This is
real life. It actually has died. Um. But the person
you're mentioning expedition Bigfoot is David Bickera, and he he's
the one who told us that in many stories. He's
a fantastic guy. He's a true believer too, But he
(07:27):
doesn't have a problem fielding some of the difficult questions
we post. He wouldn't kill us, is what I'm saying.
He wouldn't kill us if we went fishing. I don't
think so. He might teach us how to summon. I
don't know. For some reason, when I hear the word summon,
I picture like, you know, incantations rather than just like
a whistle or your mom calling you home for dinner.
(07:49):
You know, I do too. I imagine the ritual we
perform every time we're in the studio shooting with Ben Right. Um,
It's sorry, it's an inside joke for anybody who watched
that one video they're about. Okay, I was there. I
was there. I do want to report back, guys. According
to the Oklahoma State Bureau of Investigation, Um Sanders reported
(08:13):
to them, like confessed to them that he struck so
striking and then he strangled Mr Knighton. So that's exactly
the same way that Gollum went. Are the Gollum did
in his h his buddy striking strangle? Yes, I have
the same images conjured in my head when I hear
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the words summon, and I started searching around just trying
to find something. Is there a Sasquatch ritual. Is there
a big foot, you know, summoning thing like potion? You
can create that kind of thing. The closest thing I found, you, guys,
comes from a person named Sybil Kempson K E M
(08:54):
P S O N. She's created some kind of performance
titled Sasquatch Rituals. It's produced by Sarah Hughes. You can
find it on Sarah Cameron Hughes h U G h
E S dot com. Uh, it's fascinating stuff. I'm gonna
read a tiny bit from the website here. Sasquatch Rituals
(09:17):
is a cycle of performance ritual installations initiated by Sybil
Kempson that tracks and responds to her spiral shaped experiences
as an investigator for the Bigfoot Field Research Organization. It
begins with the patterns of language Americans use on the
Internet to describe something they can't explain, and it says
(09:37):
the piece contains field observations from a bunch of others
and hundreds of witnesses who shall remain anonymous, and research
personalities who will become increasingly infamous. I guess that is
what I said. Um, so really cool, because that is
a real organization the Bigfoot Field Researchers Organization. You can
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find them at b f are a dot net can
check that out. It's people who are really attempting to
find Bigfoot out there, trying to summon Bigfoot when they're
researching generally out in the woods somewhere, and they're all
kinds of ways to summon Bigfoot or to increase your
chances of seeing Bigfoot, at least according to a website
(10:19):
called Bigfoot Sightings dot Org, which you can check out. Uh,
this is the standard kind of stuff that we've heard before.
You know, the wood knocks, certain vocalizations that you can make.
It's even said on this page, Yes, exactly, it's said
on this page that you can if you play music
and you create an inviting, positive, I don't know, vibe
(10:43):
at your campsite wherever you are, you increase the chances
that Bigfoot will make some kind of appearance, whether audible
or visual. Yeah, or if you just play the movie Vibes.
They love it. They've got great taste in film. And
if you want to encounter a Sasquatch, take it from us,
just play the soundtrack of Vibes, just the cool clips,
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you know, um, and let us know your results. What
method did the local law use to summon Bigfoot for
an interview? Matt, I don't know. You're saying they didn't
interview the Sasquatch. We don't. We don't have we don't
have a statement from the Sasquatch at this moment. That's shoddy.
(11:25):
That's let's just not due diligence. I think. Well, I'm
obviously I'm just playing around, but I would love the
idea of sasquatch being discovered via a police statement or
a sheriff's statement, maybe kind of a it just comes
out of the well, you know. I mean, the most
surefire way to summon a Pacific Northwest sasquatch is just
to roll up and light up a little something, and
(11:47):
that smell will waft into the into the pines, and uh,
we'll carry the big Foot like like in the cartoons
where the smell of the pie on the window sill
kind of carries peppi lepew, you know, by his nostrils.
That's how. Yeah, let's say get a sasquatch to come
hang out with you. You gotta smoke him out, oh man.
But not not not in like a way you know,
a good way or hopefully yeah, exactly. According to live
(12:12):
outdoors dot Com, guys, Humboldt County is one of the
best places to search for a big foot. Gee, I
wonder why that might be. Yeah, they go. They're known
for their they're known for their waffetables. Yeah, I don um.
This is interesting, Matt, is this? Uh? What's what's next? Here?
Is there? Is there something to keep an eye on
(12:34):
as details emerge? Yes, the Office of the Chief Medical
Examiner is conducting an autopsy on Mr Knighton's body to
determine the official cause and manner of death. And Uh,
Larry Sanders, the person who murdered here, is currently in
jail in the Ponta Talk County Jail, and if he's
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found guilty of first degree murder, he could face the
death penalty there. So I guess just you know, we'll
try and keep an eye on it. You do the same,
and we'll just see what happens. I want to hear
more information. I'd love to get more info from Larry
Sanders about what he believed, especially after after being detained,
(13:17):
dur incarcerated for some time. If there's something in his system,
then hopefully it will have run its course or flushed out.
I do feel like we're having some fun with this story,
but I do feel it's very important as always to
point out addiction is a disease more so than a crime.
It led to a crime if there were drugs involved here,
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But if you or someone you know is in a
bad spot or struggling, then there are many, many resources
to contact. You can even write to us if you want,
and we can supply those resources to you. I'm a
lot of fun at parties. No, you're absolutely right. Then
we're joking around a little bit. But this also makes
me think of the incident with the two young women
(14:00):
in the whole slender Man thing. They there there was
a murder that took place, you know, around uh, you know,
summoning of like a malevolent spirit of some kind. And
if I'm not mistaken, at the very least there was
some severe mental illness involved in that. If not outright
drug induced psychosis, well there was at least um I
can't remember. I think there was forethought because they lured
(14:21):
her out. They thought about but it was a long
term m But for now, just be careful who you
noodle with. We'll be right back with more strange news,
And we're back with more strange news. This one's really
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been capturing my imagination in a lot of ways. As
we know, we've reported on NiFe attacks in Japan in
the past, and and I have mentioned that because of
the law they're uh, you know that is very prohibitive
surrounding firearms, that's typically what you're going to see is
you're going to see these kind of flash in the
pan public knife things, which are horrific and terrifying, but
(15:05):
it's just not as easy to kill a large number
of people being as an individual attacker with a knife
as it is with a machine gun of some kind
or assault rifle. Rather um this surrounds the story of
the former Japanese Prime Minister Shenzo Abe, who I'm sure
many people have have heard um in the press was
(15:27):
recently assassinated. But he was not knife. He was shot.
And the thing that's captured my imagination most about this
is the gun with which he was shot really looks
like something out of like one of the Fallout games.
It is a kind of amalgamation of pipes and plastic
fittings and wires, and it's it's you know, very d
(15:50):
I y It looks like a prop. You'd see it
like a you know, comic con or something with literally
someone dressed up as a fallout character or some kind
of dystopian future S five scenario. The guy who who
killed um Abe was a guy by the name of
Tetsuya Yamagami, and when his home was was rated, law
(16:12):
enforcement found a series of these crude um electronically propelled
pipe guns, some of which were I think, you know,
they were referred to as shotguns essentially. I think the
largest one was like a nine barrel shotguns, so it's
like three rows of three barrels um and the one
that was used to kill Abe, I believe was six.
(16:35):
But really fascinating stuff, and it's the kind of thing
that you know, anybody who's industrious enough to to look
up or figure out, you know, really invent things like
this could cobble something like this together, and you know,
they're pretty much untraceable. It goes back to issues we
have here in the States with things called ghost guns
or you can get these, you know, various parts from
different UH dealers that are all under the radar, like
(16:58):
on the on the dark web, and it's just near
impossible to trace the thing with legally procured firearms that
they're they're traceable. There's even like riflings on the barrel
that caused like a signature on the bullet, so you
can match it to the gun. UM and serial numbers
and all of that and registration. I mean, say what
you will about the lax gun laws in America. At
(17:18):
least it's better than having no paper trail at all.
But you know, that's a conversation for another day. But yeah,
this this whole idea of being able to kind of
you know, d I y yourself up a gun that
can actually kill somebody is really fascinating to me. Um.
And it took the life of of of this former
prime minister in a country where I think gun possession
(17:40):
is punishable by life in prison, Ben, if not, if
not death, it's very, very very strict. Ben. You know
a little bit more about the background of gun laws
in Japan. Yeah, you can't buy him at Walmart. That's
that's that's one thing. But that Yeah, so gun laws
in Japan are much more strict then they are you
(18:02):
know in the US. You could say that about a
lot of countries. Honestly, at least on the books, and
this has made shootings not just rare in the country
but unfathomable. Keep in mind to post World War two,
Japan doesn't have a standing military. They have a self
defense force, which is you know, kind of slitting hairs maybe,
(18:25):
but that's why that's why this person went and built
their own thing. And know I believe that the There
are tons of theories about the motivations. Thank you to
everybody who's been writing to me about these have been
in some really weird conversations, fascinating ones. But but it's
it's like easier for this guy to build something basically
than to buy something because of the amount of um difficulty.
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You have to have an all day class, you have
to have a written test, you have to have a
shooting range tests with accuracy. That's just to get the license,
and then you have to drug test, mental evaluation like
a background check that's pretty thorough. They look at your finances,
like how much debt do you have? Have you ever
messed with the yakuza, what are your friends and family like?
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They try to get at all before something gets in
your hands, and because of that, it is easier to
hold to this guy. Also, by the way didn't use
the nine barrel, uh, the nine barrel homemade because it
didn't fit I think the parameters of his mission as
he put it, or something like that, Right, that makes sense.
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There's even a thing here, at least what I'm reading
in cfr dout Org, that you have to report where
your weapons are stored and where your ammunition is stored,
like you have to tell the government that. Can you
imagine if that was a rule here in the US
wouldn't be It's just not possible. They can't and you know,
it's just not looking again, we're not getting into a
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debate about about gun laws here. I will, you know,
be the first one to say that they're pretty whack.
But you know these are maybe a little overboard. Um
and somewhere in the middle is maybe where the sweet
spot is. But you know, Japan is a country with
a population of a five million and there have only
been ten gun related deaths uh in the past year,
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you know, total, as opposed to what we see here,
you know, where there's a new mass shooting every freaking day.
It's to the point where it's almost like hard to
keep track. So yeah, it's it's interesting have been the
whole Yakuza angle is fascinating, cause even in Yakuza films,
the mythology and the whole glorification of violence isn't surrounding guns.
It's usually like weapons like knives and flails and you know,
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samurai stories and stuff that it's not really even. And honestly,
if there are movies around Yakuza that have guns, it's
usually so over the top and cartoonish as to be
almost satire. It's like it's like asap Rock always says
a fast card, danger, fire and knives. That's like Yakuza's style.
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But also, you know, to me, it's really interesting conversation
with several folks on Instagram, and one of the things
that really stands out about this is there was a
minimum security detail. This is an open shot from the back.
Apparently there's no situational awareness. I'm quoting a friend of
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mine who were going to keep anonymous here. Uh. The
shooter took the shot from less than twenty feats. They're
very close, which makes sense for a homemade uh. And
then two shots of the first missed. Yeah. I mean,
I certainly find the lengths to which he went pretty
compelling in terms of like the ingenuity to to build
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something like this. I mean again, I don't know. I
haven't dug into the depths of the dark web when
it comes to schematics or whatever it might be out there.
There's certainly d i y communities for say, synthesizers and
electronics and like build kits for microphones and stuff, So
I can't imagine there wouldn't be that for these types
of weapons. Possibly, you know, just buried a little deeper,
since there's potential for being tied to something like that
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if you're like on a message board that you know,
kind of trades in those kind of things. But there's
weird stuff about Abbe himself, Like, you know, the motivations
aren't clear particular, but I believe he's been tied to
some sort of religious movement that's controversial, um, and there's
some talk that there might be connections with that as
far as a lone wolf kind of situation. You know,
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who knows. Maybe this is a person acting on the
authority of others or were part of a small group. Um.
But the thing that's also interesting is this really is
causing the government of Japan to kind of re evaluate,
which is crazy considering how stringent they are their gun
laws like. There's a statement from the professor of the
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College of Risk Management and Nihon University in Tokyo, UH.
The AP reported UM. He said this serves a wake
up call the gun violence can happen in Japan and
security to protect Japanese politicians must be re examined. To
assume this kind of attack will never happen would be
a big mistake. UM. And you know, President Joe Biden
said that he believed this had a profound impact on
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the psyche of the Japanese people and that it's a
different culture not used to gun violence as unfortunately we are. UM.
So I think this is also a wake up call
should be probably won't be um two lawmakers in our
country that this is something that is in eight uh
and that if someone wants to carry out a crime,
they're gonna go to whatever means necessary to do that. UM.
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And just making guns so ridiculously available with such kind
of meager background checks and and and all that stuff
is certainly will help. But at the end of the day,
if someone really wants to do it, they're probably gonna
do it. UM. The last thing is that there was
some interesting chatter or kind of a you know, a
whole I guess scandal around some four Chan posts that
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connected the legendary video game developer Hideo Kajima, who did
like um the metal Gear, Solid games and all that stuff,
and um death stranding I think is the most recent one,
but you know, considered like an absolute genius in the field. Um.
Some folks shared images of him with UM the text
the far left kills and tying him directly to the
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assassinations and again like these these guns look like something
out of a video game. So I could see maybe
someone posting this as a joke. UM. And apparently someone
posted it not as a joke, er reposted it and
the person since deleted. Uh that this tweet an issue
an apology. Sanday Nai naively took a joke as information
and was wrong not to check. But could Juma Productions
(24:34):
actually released a statement saying, UH, they condemn the spread
of fake news and rumors that convey false information and
will not tolerate such libel and will consider taking legal
action in some cases. Um. Mr Abbe of course did
pass away after he was shot um to your point
band at pre relatively close range. Um, And uh, the subspect,
(24:57):
Tetsuya Yamagami has actually confessed to the killing. So I
think this is very interesting culturally outside of Japan. I
think it's something to to definitely keep an eye on
and see how this progresses. And with that, let's take
another break and we'll come back with a final piece
of strange news for today. And we have returned with
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one more story that is probably going to be familiar
to many of our long time fellow conspiracy realist CERN
the home of the large head drawn Collider UH. This
thing has been doing some amazing science for a while now.
It has also been a regular recurring star in many
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many UH conspiracy theories, stuff like hey, Siren is creating
a black hole, stuff like miniature black holes, or will
turning nodser and destroy the Earth? That was a big one, Matt,
you remember from our house of works they UH. But
think some part to TikTok. There's a new theory on
the block, and you will find tons of people insisting
(26:09):
that CERN has actually shifted the timeline, that the world
we are living in now has um altered in fundamental
ways from the world in which we formerly resided. Now,
the multiverse as a concept is on everybody's mind. We
(26:29):
were into it before Marvel thought it was cool. Right,
We've all had these really trippy off air conversations about
this um. But first I want to ask before we
dive in. Have you guys heard of this? Are you?
Are you familiar with the the certain conspiracy theory, the
two point five version very much. A lot of people
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on Clubhouse believe this, at least they say they do.
I'm seeing it popping all over the place, Like you
said on TikTok, I'm seeing even Instagram like reels, just
lots of social media posts about it, like cerns gearing
back up. You know what that means. We're jumping timelines again.
I hadn't seen the details been anywhere, So just what
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have you heard about? I only get my news from TikTok.
Just for the record, so I only get my news
from this old man who lives inside a sewer across
the street from me. It's very like it's style. I
just go over there, azing, he's always giggling. Yeah, yeah,
(27:37):
he's I mean, he's got his he's got his ear
to the street. Literally. But news sources aside, it is
important to know where where your sources come from. But
this all began. The genesis of this begins when after
three years of not being active, CERN is turned on
once more. And it's not like it was collecting to us,
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those three years were spent doing maintenance and putting in
a number of upgrades. And when Certain was turned on,
it observed three exotic particles for the first time, So
it's doing significant science. They're looking into stuff like the pentacuark,
which is a thing that I was unaware of. Uh.
(28:19):
And then they're also breaking records for the highest energy
particle collisions ever performed, you know. And this like a
lot of people heard about in the conversation of the
so called God particle right Uh. And now it's back
in the news. As he said, propagated by social media.
I wanted to read you guys some of the thoughts.
(28:42):
Here's one from Twitter quote. So nobody else is concerned
that the Certain collider will be turning on July five
and opening up a portal and letting some dark sided
come through. And then someone else says July five, Cern,
it's time to get right with God and protect your
energy hashtag sir, just really drive it home. Uh. And
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then on July five, will be feeling a sudden shift
in the universe. It will feel like we've changed timelines.
Do your research about sird. If you think things have
been weird, it's about to feel even weirder. Protect your
energy at all costs from negative meditate. That one ends
with meditate. Uh, let's see. I'll do the last one
here anticipating the activation, sir, and got me feeling some
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type of way the gives you the right to be
opening portals? And isn't two crazy enough? She's so what
do you guys? They has that changed your mind? Miley?
Thing is what? What? What? What is? I don't understand
(29:47):
the assertion that shooting particles, you know, at very high speeds,
like you said, the highest speeds that we've ever done,
that shooting them fastly we ever had before, and and
colliding them for research. Where does that inslate into creating
a portal? Is it the Is it people's like visualization
of portals in video games and and fiction like movies,
(30:10):
where the portals are this kind of like oval shaped
thing and they're just imagining that that high energy particles
doing that will open on some kind of portal. Clearly,
you're not up to data on stranger things. They explain
all the science in the new season. It's all right there. Now, Yeah,
that's fun. It's a good question, and yeah, fun show.
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It's a good question to Matt, and it's one that
you're you're applying some much needed critical thought to this aspect. First, yes,
certain is doing new science. People have not done this before,
so it is highly likely that new, unexpected things will happen.
The question is whether those things will be disastrous or apocalyptic,
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and the answer, as we found every time we look
into this over the years, the answer is no. Right. Basically,
the answer is that if the world ends, it won't
be because of cern. And I think we all feel
all right saying that, based on the conversations we've had
with scientists, based on the papers we've read, in the
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research we've done, a lot of the quote unquote danger
of cern has been overblown. But what stood out to
me is one, there's not a ton of in depth
explanation about how this parallel universe timeline theory would work.
But there's also when I first started looking at it,
there wasn't a ton of explanation about why July Why
(31:42):
July five? Right? Uh? My old man's birthday, by the way,
So he loved this because he was like, oh, it
involves me somehow. Well, I think you should look into it.
And I'm kidding, but uh, but it all goes back
to Apoe just about a portal of astrological proportions. The
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original post is something like be ready for July five everyone,
That's all I'm saying. Protect your energy, be alert, don't
do things that lower your vibration, your energy, or your focus.
Certain will be opening a portal on July five, that
began getting it ready when the planets aligned on June.
Does that persuade you? So? Wait, So this is like
(32:26):
this is an intentional portal opening? Is the conjecture here? Yeah? Yeah,
because the stars to end. They just want to watch
the world burn or get sucked into a black hole.
Like I don't understand these certain fellas what they're what
they're up to. Yeah, yeah, it's a it's not really explained,
and a lot of the people who are reporting on
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this theory or purporting to believe it are in disagreement themselves.
You know, there's some folks on YouTube who are saying
this is a portal to hell. And then you can
find lectures about astrology, etcetera, etcetera. But I would ask
how many people genuinely believe this? And here's why. TikTok
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is a heavily competitive social media environment, which is the
most corporate thing I've said today, But but it's true.
And if you want to succeed quote unquote succeed in
uh in an environment like TikTok, then you want a
video to be shared and viewed many, many times, which
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means you want to nail something in the zeitgeist. So
I asked this question to myself pretty often on social media.
When you see a trend of a conversation and it
seems like something a lot of people are believing that's
kind of easy to debunk, then you have to ask
yourself about their motivations are they Are they posting this
(33:53):
because they want to tell you the truth about cern
or the flat earth or insert here, or do they
want eyeballs and clicks? You know? How what what would
you pretend to believe for millions of views? You know? Well, yeah,
I know, I know exactly what you're saying, and all
of that feels very real to me as a motivation
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for some but for others, I think it's just fear
about this thing that a very select few number of
people ever go to, ever work on, you know, under
even understand the science behind um in it is. I mean,
there's been actual reporting from certain itself. They make statements.
Do you remember back in the day, Ben when the
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LHC was first becoming a thing and they put out
statements about microscopic black holes. That was that was one
of the big talking points. Everybody was worried about the
black holes, so that this thing is going to create
and they had to come forward and explain like there
it's very unlikely that this this collider will create black holes,
(34:57):
microscopic black holes, but if it does, here's the science
behind a black hole of that size, because of the
actual energies that are being produced here, or that that
the protons contain that are being shot together. And it
was just it was they had to talk people out
of a fear quite uh adamantly, I guess, yeah, And
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that's I mean, it's understandable. It's it's a rational fear
to have, and a lot of it goes back to
the way science is reported to the public. Right, what
makes what makes a headline that elicits an emotion. What
what compels people to read from one sentence to the next,
and so on and so on. But this does a
(35:42):
disservice because it encourages, again a very rational fear to expand,
and it doesn't seek to check that fear right because
redactions and corrections always run at the back of the paper,
never on the front. Everywhere you see the headline. So
I I know that people are coming from an honest
(36:04):
place here, and I want to agree in part with
this because we are, you know, civilization is forging into
unknown territory and certain itself phrases things and really interesting,
uh intriguing ways. For example, their current run, which is
scheduled to run through five, is trying to answer several questions.
(36:29):
The Times characterize their questions this way. Where did the
universe come from? Why is it made of matta rather
than anti matta? What is the doc matter that suffuses
the cosmos? How does the Higgs particle itself have mass?
Before we got to that last sentence, he sounded like
space villains. You've seen Stranger Things season four, that's at
(36:52):
least that person has. This is wild, Yeah, and of
course we want to visit sir, and I would love
to check it out. Yeah, my god. But also I
think it surely you have to have you have to
be credentials. We could maybe have have some pull We
could try, um, you know, pulling some strings, see if
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we have any juice at cern or suction as they say.
But there's another bigger thing at play here, which is
just in general, the concept of reality. I think part
I think that's become an ingredient of the current fear
and theories because the idea of multiple realities is increasingly
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in the zeitgeist, you know, at least in our version
of reality, the Mandela effect. It's something I get questions
about increasingly every single month. Right, Marvel movies, everything everywhere,
all at once, which was awesome, awesome ride. Uh. They
explore the idea of multiverses. Various religions have explored concepts
(37:57):
like this as well. On a spiritual tip, you have
to wonder why people are searching for that kind of
it's like the search for the soul. Right, the more
you learn about the human body, the less likely it
seems there is a soul. But the idea that people
continue doing that is in a way it's kind of
(38:20):
proof of something like a soul. It makes that search
even more compelling and strange. So why are people right
now obsessed with multiple universes? Do you guys think it's
just that everyone's had a really rough two years. Do
you think it's just the Marvel effect? What is it?
It's always been inching clot device. Well, oh, that's a
(38:41):
good point where reaching critical mass perhaps, But I mean
to but I mean, you know, Matt, you're into the
invisibles and a lot of the weirdo kind of you know,
um kind of alternative comics and stuff. And then I
know you are too. We all are. But I mean
that's always been an interesting plot point in in you know,
books like that, uh is, alternate universes and alternaate dimensions
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and traveling to you know, places where there's like a
bizarro world versions of yourself or hell, even like back
to the future. You can consider time travel being like
alternate timelines. I think it's just part of our upbringing,
you know, pop culturally speaking. Well, yeah, and we're simultaneously
the most connected we've ever been, or feel like we're
the most connected we've ever been to everyone and the
(39:24):
absolute least physically connected. And then when you know, all this,
like this terrifying stuff is happening around us, and on
the horizon, it always feels like something new and awful
is on the way. That's just kind of piles on
top of the last thing. It's just our anxiety. Is
that maximum right now? I think? Yeah. The motto of
(39:44):
the year two is simply what now? You know what
I mean, Like every time you read the news, you
know the what no? Moment? Every every time I crossed
the street and talk to the creepy guy in the sewer,
who is again my only source of news? It's a
what now? Situation? And people are I think, of course,
news is incentivized in many ways to be negative, which
(40:07):
I think is a woeful miscalculation. But um, because of
that paradoxical connection you're talking about, Matt, people are more
aware of things they ordinarily would not have been cognizant of. Right,
So they're seeing more bad news. It's not necessarily true
that more bad things are happening. It's just that the
(40:29):
average person is more likely to be informed about them.
And that's that's a good thing overall, But then it
also creates all kinds of feedback loops, all kinds of
um increasingly extremists beliefs, arguments, and viewpoints. Um, I don't know.
(40:50):
I think humans know so very little about the nature
of reality that it would be somewhat arrogant to say
this is the only one, wouldn't it? You would what
are you going? Off? Vibes? Going off vibes and you're like,
hek is it? This is the one reminder to go
and rent vibes if you can, on the streaming service
(41:12):
of your choice. Have you you're the odd man out here?
I think Ben and I both Ben, You've been screaming
its praises for years and I finally watched it, and
I found it to be quite a romp and and
very relevance to just about everything we talked about on
this show. You're right. Jeff Goldbloom calls it, uh the
reason he wakes up and acts in another timeline, That's
(41:35):
what he calls it. There we go. This is like
the new rhetorical device we're going to use. But at
this point, you know, because this brings up so many questions,
some of which people can't answer. Similar to Blake LeMoyne's
conversations about lambda and the nature of sentience and the soul,
since it brings up these unanswerable questions. We would love
(41:56):
your perspective on the idea of multi verse, like a
multiversell structure of reality, parallel world's timelines? Can they be
disrupted all of that community episode which is still great? Actually, uh,
let us know the pizza. Yes, yeah, and we got
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we got meaned on that one, so thanks. Uh holly On,
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