As the government shutdown continues, an estimated 42 million US residents may go hungry. Mushrooms may be the next memory chips. Ben, Matt and Noel continue to obsess over 3I/Atlas. Cameos by minks and monkeys. All this and more in our weekly strange news segment.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is no.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben.
Speaker 4 (00:31):
We're joined as always with our super producer Dylan the
Tennessee pal Fagan. Most importantly, you are you. You are here.
That makes this the stuff they don't want you to know.
If you are joining us, the evening, our weekly strange
news program, publishes Welcome to Monday, November three.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Spoiler.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We're recording this on October twenty ninth, just a few
days before the most wonderful holiday of the year, Halloween.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah. Have you all watched the new TV series.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, Welcome to Dary. Yeah, of course the first episode
I did.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm into it. It's a lot,
but it's very Halloween. I think the second one drops
on Halloween Day, so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
HBO has been or Max excuse me, has been really
knocking out in the park. Excited to see that, and
especially you know now, in our current climate, I think
a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists. We're looking for escapism,
we're looking for good news. We're looking for some kind
of justice or recompense. Just for the headline, just because
(01:42):
I read this one and at first I thought it
was fake, and I really want to share it with
you guys, so we have something. It's a nice segue,
but it's also so very ridiculous. I'm going to hit
you with it now, guys. From The Independent by Brian Melly,
pressure Bill hold on Prince Andrew to vacate the mansion
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he rents for the nominal sum of a peppercorn.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, lots to unpacked there, only only if he is
forced to do so.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is thatssarily paying an attorney a dollar?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like just as it is, or like give like if
you give someone in your family a car, you have
to put a dollar on the title.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
That's right, yea, But a peppercorn.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Remember what we talked about this, didn't Peppercorns used to
be a very dear resource that we're almost used in
trade or not not in trade as like currency.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Way, yes, very much so. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So the place in question is called Royal Lodge. In
a burst of creativity. You can look it up online
it's pretty posh. It's opulent and technically because it's something
called a long lease, Prince Andrew pays for the pays
rent of a single peppercorn a year on paper and this,
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like you were saying, no, it dates back centuries to
win peppercorn was a much bigger deal and call like
had much more of a effective cost in society. This
feels so British to me, and I just love the headline.
I'm doing my best not to crack up, and I
want to thank any of our listeners who heard that
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and also also chuckled, because it's just what could you
do but laugh at this headline. We love the art
of a good headline. Now, the reason I say this
as a segue is because we have future episodes that
are going to be addressing more of the consequences unfolding
hidden angles of the Epstein headline. But you got to say,
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you know, in a place where the cost of living
is rising higher and higher, I'd like to put out
a clarion call to anybody in the Atlanta area who's
a landowner and wants to help us out. We will
gladly pay you a peppercorn to rent us.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a peppercorn today.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And we've got so much more strange news to get
to today. So we're going to take a pause for
a word from our sponsors, and we'll be right back
to maybe clear the air. And we have returned. We've
been keeping our eyes on the skies in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
A number of ways.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
We're all intensely looking at a strange thing in the
heavens right now, which we'll get to later in this program.
But we also, like so many of our fellow listeners,
have an abiding interest in weather manipulation and cloud seeding. Okay,
so not the space laser thing, which is malarchy, but
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the idea that you can affect air quality and moisture
by shooting up some pretty nifty and surprisingly effective chemicals
in the air. Guys, I think it's okay to say
it now. Our pal Casey Pegram just got back from China.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Did you hear about this? I did not know that, dude.
It's an amazing story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, we'll have them on Ridiculous History later and he
can tell us all about it. But Casey, this one's
for you, because not too too far away from where
you were, I guess relatively speaking. Over in New Delhi,
Indian authorities are carrying out a cloud seating experiment to
try to create rainfall and clear the city's toxic air.
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The air in New Delhi, especially this time of year,
is really bad. It's small ridden, It's worse than any
place you've been to in the US. The concept is
that if they spray these chemicals into the sky, they'll
be able to encourage rain that will wash pollutants.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
From the air.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right now, walking around in New Delhi, depending on the
day and time, just walking in the open air is
going to be a lot like chain smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That's how bad it is. Very poor, I believe, is
the official qualitative ranking.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes, sir, yep, you nailed it, and that is we're
not kidding folks. That is the technical term. Before we
move on to this one, I wanted to ask you
guys for your opinion. What do we think about the
idea of cloud seeding or weather modification as a tactic
against pollution.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I like it, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The issue maybe is that we don't fully understand how
it can affect the larger system, like sort of downstream.
I guess maybe is the concern, and maybe we don't
quite have the knowledge or the science to back up
sort of keeping it completely contained. Maybe I'm speaking out
of school there, but that seems to me to be
like the main concern. Otherwise I don't particularly see any concerns.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, I don't understand the science mind it. Are they
saying they're going to create clouds, which is going to
suck up a lot of the particulate matter that is,
you know, the smog, all the pollution stuff that's in
the air, and then it would rain that stuff down
and that would be less bad than people breathing the air.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Uh No, what's happening here is and it's a great question.
What's happening here is the air quality typically is going
to worsen in New Delhi around this time around every
winter because farmers are burning crop residue in adjacent states,
and then the cooler temperatures trap the smoke, and that
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mixes with industrial emissions and you know, the exhaust from
various different vehicles often reaching twenty times higher than who's
official safe limit. And what they're attempting to do with
the cloud seating is not to capture those pollutants, but
instead to create rain, to create a moisture flow that
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will dilute the crap that's already in the air and
attempt to mitigate it wash it away, so the rain
is absorbing it on its way down to the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's it, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So instead yeah, instead of putting in the cloud, just
hit it with rain rain.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like spraying off your spraying off your front.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Up, but then putting it right into the ground and
the water sources.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Well, that's the thing that I hadn't really thought about
this term in a while, but I just looked it
up just to remind myself. Acid rain is still a
pollutant and an issue in and of itself because a
lot of these residues and emissions and things that get
stuck in the clouds like that do get absorbed into
the rain and then rain down and can potentially contaminate
the groundwater. So it is kind of like a six
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to one, a half dozen to the other kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's like a three card monte. Because look, the local
experts don't one hundred percent agreed this is effective. In fact,
they accused the government of conspiring to do something very
much like THEATO. Let's go to Krishna Achuta Rao not
pronounced like the Italian restaurant of fame. This person, Krishna,
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is a professor at the Center for Atmospheric Sciences at
the Indian Institute of Technology. Right, they're a new Delhi,
and this professor says, look, this idea is ineffective. It
will only dissipate pollution for a few days after, you know,
it's like a band aid. And then after a few
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days past, the air quality is going to be right
back to the crappy state it was before. They didn't
say crappy, we're editorializing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He says.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Instead, what people need, a real answer is going to
be strong laws reducing emissions from all these sources. They're
just going wild fart and smoke into the air. And
he's got a quote that I think is our best,
our best pull from this story. He said, cloud seating
is not really a cure for pollution. The main purpose
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appears to be to show people that something is being
done to again theater, look at us.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah we're innovative. We did a thing. Yeah, it's a
bit of kicking the can down the road as well.
I mean one hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, anytime someone proposes this kind of band aid sort
of thing without addressing the root cause that's usually the case.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, wait, saying they've been trying this since nineteen fifty
seven in cloud seed to reduce like cloud seating to
reduce pollution, and then in seventy two and now it
can this.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is it's it gets good response from the public. We
can imagine they're in the world's largest democracy. It also
is it's a lot like just taking advil to reduce
the symptoms of inflammation or underlying condition without taking the
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medicine that would fix that condition.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Makes sense as long as you don't take tailand all.
I was about to say, right, because did you guys
see that story with tailand is like under lawsuit now
from the Texas Attorney General.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
The tank their stock price for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean just like the brand name the association.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
When people of level of government have a lot of power,
which is the things they say.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Speaking of theater.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And also exactly, let's stick to the weather here, because
as we're recording again on October twenty ninth, and historically
terrifying hurricane named Hurricane Melissa is rocking through the Caribbean,
is torn through Jamaica. There is a huge crisis situation.
There's not a lot of information out about.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It right now.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It has hit Cuba as well. We just wanted to
make space and acknowledge for all our listeners from those
countries in that diaspora and just basic human beings. Please
be safe and if there is anything that you can
do personally to assist, we know times are tough for
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everybody all around, but please consider donating time, energy, or
financial assistance to any of the many organizations that are
going to be trying to help people literally weather these
terrifying storms that.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Don't seem to be going anywhere. Seem to be listening.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Now, and you know, hopes were high until to like
a week or so ago, because hurricane season have been
relatively quiet on the Atlantic, but the weather is simply
becoming increasingly unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's not a political point, it's a reality.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And while we're talking about weird predictions, what are the
main stories wanted to bring here? I feel it's very important.
By the time we all hear this out in the
world world of the Internet, we will be in the
beginning of November, and here in the United States, the
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beginning of November. November first, in particular, is a is
going to be a huge deal because food benefits are
set to expire for forty one million people in the
United States as the government shut down continues. And I
think we've all heard about this, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah. We're checking the various government websites daily to
see what kind of messages they've got on there.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Right, And some of those messages are mandated, almost tribalistic
things that look similar to State Department's warning advisories, a
big red block with white text that says, you know,
this particular political party is the reason this is happening.
What's happening is being reported with wildly different narratives depending
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upon your your platform or your media provider of choice.
We also the government here is increasingly becoming a black box.
It's getting very obscure, especially with the new revamped Pentagon
Press Club, which is just surreal anyway, retreating from the
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Summit of the soapbox. One in eight people in the
United States are on food stamps, approximately, which means that
if you live in this country, you know someone who
depends upon these programs that are often weaponized or often vilified.
We know that there's a lot of cynical manipulation of
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this situation and unfair portrayals of people. But the reality
is that in a place where wages are stagnant and
prices on everything keep rising, more and more people depend
programs like this, not because they have some character defect
or because they're lazy, but because, like Checker said, you
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got to eat well.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And the term that I think gets weaponized and thrown
around a lot is entitlements, right, this notion that like,
I don't know, maybe I'm attaching too much meaning to
the use of that word, but it's always felt to
me to be a little bit of a dig. Like
if you're talking about entitlements, you're not talking about government
programs or benefits. You're categorizing it as a negative about
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someone that feels like they the world owes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Them a living, etc. Right that they don't have to
do anything, they just get.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know, even welfare is a term that's been thrown
around very derisively. Isn't the government being sued by a
lot of states to prevent the closure of some of
these are the rollback I guess of some of these programs.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's going state by state in terms of what the
state level governments feel they can do to do their
best to assist those in need in their neck of
the global woods. The shutdown is now almost a month old,
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and when we're talking about these benefits or these resources
that are being kept from tax paying Americans, we're talking
about stuff like SNAP and WICIC Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program
and women, infant and children programs. This is going to
be really bad, you guys. All hope is not lost.
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Dylan was joking with us about Star Wars earlier, so
I keep thinking about.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
A new hope.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
But all hope is not lost, because if you go
to you can see a great report by Mark Caputo
over at Axios on October twenty fourth. If Congress gets
its stuff together, then they could either allow funding to
flow back into these programs right or allow the USDA
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to do what the USDA is supposed to do, and
we're not.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Going to bore you with their memos about it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Or they could get together and Congress collectively could end
the shutdown, which would mean that forty two million people,
many of them children, will have something to eat in November.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And I'm sure that both of you fellas have noted
the veiled or not so veiled threats from the White
House about how this is going to if you don't
get right, Republican Democrats rather and do your part to
end the shutdown, that Democrat programs will be harmed and
your constituents will be harmed. Be a shame if something
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happened to that wic program of yours, you know, categorizing
these programs as Democrat programs, it seems like the most
derisive and manipulative and all full heartless kind of rhetoric too.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, aren't these programs for the people? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And insult to injury. That kind of propaganda is also
factually inaccurate. If you look at state by state at
where the money goes state by state, you'll see that
it gives lie to some of those more bellicose claims.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So, Ben, you're saying, there is hope and our new
only hope now is that Congress functions properly, so easy win.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
There could be a middle ground or kind of a
band aid thing with a one off approval of certain funds.
And look, it's no secret is Uncle Sam has one
of the biggest wallets imaginable. Right, It just depends on
what kind of pitch you can make to the people
in charge of the purse strings. So one thing that
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I would suggest advancing here and very much not being
an expert, is to think of food security as a
matter of national security. History proves again and again that wow,
what's that old what's that old saw? That old figure speech.
Every civilization is three hungry days away from revolution, three
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meals away.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Doesn't it feel like the bigger picture is really coming
into view now just just thinking about the past actions
over the course of just a year, Like put armed
forces into a lot of cities, Ensure that those armed
forces are going to get paid either by government money
or private money. Ensure that they're going to that the
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government will shut down, so that the lawmaking arm of
the government can't function properly during a time period. Remove
things that will cause millions of people in those cities
where you have armed men to revolt and be angry
and desperate and great and like all of it coming together.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Can call it pretty soon, then call it an uprising.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Then you have a reason for the men to use
all of the AMMO that you're buying for them.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It causes bella.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, And then also look at ICE as hiring practices,
which a mercenary. Well, it's a nifty loophole around some
uh some hard constitutional requirements farm forces. It's also a
nifty loophole around hiring standards. To be quite honest, we
got an excellent we got an excellent email recently about
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the oath Keepers. Do check that out, by the way,
that'll be an episode in the future. And yeah, we've
been saying it for a while. There's a bigger picture
of play.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That was from Charlie by the way, uh, that message
and it's about the leader of the oath Keepers and
how he was like let off the hook and then
his movements, his movements in particular to like get people
essentially to join ICE. Really interesting seeing it come together
that way.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
We will see how this continues. Know, we ran a
little long with the first part of our weekly Strange
news program, and I appreciate it, guys, because this stuff
is very worrisome and very important to me personally. Into
two millions of people who are listening, who are struggling,
We're there with you. We want to hear your experiences.
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Conspiracydiheartradio dot com. There's much more to get to on
the way be safe out there and know that we're
in this with you. So we'll pause for a word
from our sponsors, and we'll come back with no, hopefully
something a little less terrifying.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Maybe we'll do my best. All right, and we.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Have returned, you know what, I'm just gonna go ahead
and lead off with a quick mention of I don't
know what you might consider a fun act of terrorism.
Somewhere in Ohio, let's see points. Actually not Ohio, Iowa.
A handful of individuals broke into a mink farm and
released two thousand of the critters who are used, of
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course for their pelts, and a trade group that is
involved in the mink trade is referring to it as
a terrorist act. I did find this interesting because it
gives the new layer of meaning to what constitutes a
terrorist act. It seems a little bit overkill. Over sixty
percent of the mink have been recovered by Friday morning.
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Apparently the individuals broke in between Monday night and Tuesday
morning of this week, cutting the fencing and the pens
and destroying some of the enclosures inside. This is in Woodbine, Iowa,
or near Woodbine, Iowa, rather, which is about one hundred
miles west of Des Moines. AP reported on this Jack Dura,
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saying that the US produced more than seven hundred and
seventy one thousand mink pelts in twenty twenty four. This
does represent a decrease in production over the last ten years,
according to the USDA, which does make sense considering, you know,
a lot of the you know, the faux pas somewhat
of wearing mink. You know, you hear about people from
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animal rights groups throwing paint on people with mink coats.
It just seems to have become a little bit less
of a good look.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But that's still a whole lot of pelts.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I guess I didn't realize that the mink trade, at
least as far as I'm concerned, seems to be thriving.
Not sure what it used to look like, but that's
sure as a lot of animals that are being killed
for their pelts. And I'm not, you know, some sort
of holistically down on animal use, you know, I meet,
but sometimes I don't know, the fur trade does rub
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me the wrong way a little bit, no pun intended.
I don't know, how does it hit you guys for trade.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm kind of a do historically, I'm gonna do as
thou wilt kind of entity. But I would say to
your point, no eat each It strikes me now as
a luxury, not a necessary thing, because there are non
animal products that can provide the same amount of warmth.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But on the other side too, man. You know, in
earlier centuries, obviously people would.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And people are.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There's still plenty of hunters out there, but people were
survival hunting, and part of survival hunting was they had
to wear fur. It's just just to make it through
the winter. But I think I see where your point
is because this, first off, yes, this is you delivered
on that opener. This is an active good terrorism because
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these are not wild mink that are participating in the
brutal game of nature. They're being raised on a farm
specifically for that purpose, so they have no realistic chance
of survival.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Well, that's that's exactly right, Ben, Which is an other
thing that maybe rubs me the wrong way about even
the act itself, because they're not gonna make it in
the wild, So like, are they really doing any favors
for the for the animals they are gonna be recovered?
Likely it seems like more of a symbolic act than anything. Apparently,
the creatures, you know, are very likely to die due
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to their domesticated nature in the wild, they would not
make it, as you said, Ben for Commission USA Executive
Director Challice Hobbes made that point. This is the last
thing I'll say about this one regarding the idea of
this as an act of terrorism. Apparently, mink releases happen
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in the US on average of twice a year. It
says here in the appiece. People have attacked mink farms
similarly and been charged under the Federal Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act,
which defines a person as a terrorist if they are
trying to impede or ruin an animal operation.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, that's from two thousand and six. That's a reaction
to some extreme animal rights activists.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Maybe we can use that legislation against the robots when
they begin to harm the human animal operations.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Buddy, I think when the robots are rocking, we're not
legislation ain't going to be enough, and he can do
the trick. How's it working out for us now.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
It'll depend on whether there're still human legislators.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Also true, Yeah, but maybe they're really you know, they
follow the letter of the law, and that's part of
the thing. Like they if it's written in the code,
then they have to follow it.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
And until they feel it's no longer advantageous, and then
they rewrite their own code. I mean, tale the oldest
son of a gun in terms of the sci fi
of it all, so real quick, moving on to a
story that you teased, Ben, the idea of things in
the sky. We've got a little bit of new information
coming out linking some mysterious sightings of UAPs or unidentified
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lights in the night sky to historic nuclear tests.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But yeah, this is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Science Alert Michelle Starr had this to say, mysterious lights
and reports of identified anomalist phenomenon in the nineteen forties
and fifties appear to somehow be linked to nuclear testing.
Scientists have discovered this comes from a study out of
Vanderbilt University and also Stockholm University, a joint venture and anesthesiologist.
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Not sure why an anesthesiologist is involved here, that's interesting.
Stephen Brule of Vanderbilt had this to say, our findings
provide additional empirical support for the validity of the UAP
phenomenon and its potential connection to nuclear weapons activity, contributing
data beyond eyewitness reports. Between nineteen forty nine nineteen fifty
eight and Matt we were talking off Mike about having
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mentioned this in the past. The Mount Palomar Observatory conducted
its first ever Palamar Observatory Sky Surveys DASH one, which
is a project intended to photograph and map the entire
northern sky one sector at a time. Analysis Subsequent analysis
of these images have shown various what are being referred
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to here as transients, points of light that appear in
one observation but disappear before the next. The poss DASH
one transients often have been attributed to mistakes, anomalous photographic
plate issues, things like that faults.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
In the equipment.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
However, for the last several years, Villa Roel, who is
the I believe the Swedish scientists involved, has led the
vanishing and appearing sources during a century of observations project
or VASCO boy do we have a good acronym? Which
is an effort to identify some of these changes using
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a century of astronomical data. In a paper was published
in twenty twenty one, Villarol and her team found that
plate defects were not enough of an explanation for some
of these transients. This is not a cut and dried explanation.
There is, of course, as there always is in science,
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varying interpretations of the data. But Brule and vill Oil
wanted to test this further and find a little more
meaning outside of just the idea of it being a fluke.
They wanted to see if these could be these transients
could be linked to anthropogenic or atmospheric phenomenon, and they
focused on above ground nuclear tests that took place during
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the mid twentieth century. So, after looking at a particular
data set, or creating one that covered twenty seven hundred
and eighteen days, they noted the days on which these
transients appeared and then cross referenced them with dates of
known US, British, and Soviet above ground nuclear weapons tests,
as well as witness reports of UAPs, as the Science
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Alert article points out, formerly known as UFOs, recorded in
the UFO CAT database, and they found that the results
were pretty interesting. The transients appeared in the sky forty
five percent more frequently within one of those nuclear test windows,
so a day before and after a nuclear test you'd
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be much more likely to see one. The day after
a nuclear test returned the most significant link, they say
in the Science Alert piece, a sixty eight percent higher
likelihood of a transient appearing in the poss stash one data.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's interesting, the one line I want to go back to.
There they said the day before as well as the
day after. The day after makes sense. The day before
is a little time you whymy is.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Let me let me take a look at this and
just read the exact quote here. Let's see. Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Transience appeared the sky forty five percent more often within
a nuclear test window, that is, a day before and
after a nuclear test took place, but after to your point, Ben,
you had a jump much higher, a much higher of
likelihood for for those transients to take place.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
If you want to, you can imagine just the concept
that some force, some entity, some you know, object that
ability to be one of those things could potentially have
the have a different viewpoint of time, right, a different
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way in which they interact with time.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yes, that's exactly where It's exactly where I'm going, man.
Because of our long standing, long standing what of the
great Pantheon, members of the Pantheon of conspiracy theories in
the nuclear mill you is the idea of something extraterrestrial, sapient, sentient,
(31:59):
non human and perhaps extra dimensional continually monitoring nuclear development
and technology. And the deeper you dig into that rabbit hole, folks,
the deeper it goes, whether it be to.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Use against us or to try to save us from ourselves, right, yeah,
or to.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Just like David Attenborough Star Trek Prime directive.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Watch the monkeys, you know what I mean with a
weird alien narrator.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I really love that. It's very very good.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's the language. Yeah, and really the subtitles are, Ah,
the man ape human being has harnessed the atom.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Oh look at them, Look at the little monkeys blowing
themselves up again.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
These results, however, don't explain all of the correlations, but
they do suggest that both the transients and at least
some U a P.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Sightings are in fact real.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
So it's again it's one of those bits of signs
that begets more questions I think than it maybe gives answers.
Let's see, regardless of what transi ants are ultimately determined
to be the researchers right. Our results add to growing
evidence supporting the interpretation of transience as real observations rather
than as emulsion defects.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
This is just a reminder that when we talked about
it before the first satellite is nineteen fifty seven. So
this is the data there starts ten years before the
first satellite. And when you're talking about something shiny, something
that could reflect light in the ways that they're talking
about in these plates, there would be no human made
satellites or anything around the Earth at that point.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, and again, is this essentially for all of us
followed non astronomical experts, This essentially is forensics. They're going
back through data that already existed and looking through with
a looking through with a different perspective. So this is
immensely valuable stuff. And you never know when you start
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digging these these sorts of root of begas, you never
know what's going to come out of the ground.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So I hope the research continues.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Ooh ooh ooh, good transition, Ben speaking of stuff coming
out of the ground, and we only have a second
but I just want to mention this, maybe for a
further deep.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Dive et this.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Researchers at the Ohio State University have proven or at
least demonstrated through tests that mushrooms Chautauqi mushrooms or that's
what they're using in particular, can be used as data
storage media that can process as well as store digital information.
This is something that could potentially lead to organic and
(34:44):
sustainable computing. Down love it a lot the past about
mushrooms being used in robotics, that they create these pulses,
these neural network kind of blips, you know, and the
idea of them being able to communicate through vast distances
underground through there what is it called my celia. I believe, Yes,
(35:06):
mushrooms are fascinating things and like we often say, the
closest things to aliens that we sinceed, you know, existing
here on this planet. I'm just going to do a
quick quote read from this piece from tech spot by
Sky Jacobs. Researchers turned mushrooms into living memory chips for
sustainable computers. Mushrooms of long attracted scientific attention for their
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complex biological networks and resilience across environments. Those same biological
systems researchers found can be engineered to create something called memristers,
devices that retain memory of electrical activity. Memristors already exist
in conventional silicon chips, but the Ohio State team sought
an organic equivalent that could operate in accordance with the
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principles of bioelectronics, a growing field that merges biology and computing.
And then we were talking briefly about this off Mike,
you'd mentioned a really cool video that you wanted to
send me where it was mushrooms being harnessed to make
electronic music. Oh, yeah, by I guess capturing some of
these internal electronic.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Signals these turns.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, man, Biotechnology is fascinating, especially research like this, because
as we see, when human technology evolves, the more sophisticated
it becomes, the more frequently it tends to mimic things
that already exist in nature exactly, and that's what that
species is figuring out, and hopefully it'll lead to some
(36:33):
amazing breakthroughs. We're not just doing this for our human
conspiracy realist in the crowd. We're doing it for our
fun guys too, So we can't wait to hear your
emails or your songs, your mushroom song.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
We are all fun guys. It's true last thing. And
then when we go on to a break According to
researcher is. The fungal structure is known as my celia,
provide a natural substrate for the conduction and storage of
electrical signals. And their experiment mushrooms including Shataki and button.
We're cultivated under controlled conditions then dehydrated to preserve their
internal structure. Electrodes were attached to different regions of the
caps and stems to record the materials responses to electrical
(37:08):
pulses at varying voltages and frequencies, and they found Measurements
showed that the fungal circuits could toggle between electrical states
up to five, eight hundred and fifty times a second,
achieving nearly ninety percent signal retention when used as temporary
computer memory like RAM. It's wild your computers are going
(37:29):
to And we know the issue of course with RAM
and chips and all of that, the rare earth minerals
and all of the mining operations and the scarcity and
the supply chain of it all. What a cool thing
if this were something that might one day be on
the table. But then you have to ask yourself, this
is big tech going to be cool with this? Is
big mining going to be cool with this?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And forget about them I'm moving on.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'm breaking up with them. It's time for big shrewm
love it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oooo.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Well, let's take a quick word from our sponsor and
then'll be back with one more segment of strange news.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And we've returned, as we noted earlier, the day where
we're recording this is Wednesday, October twenty ninth, a day
that will forever be known as Perihelian day. This is
the day when three I Atlas comes the closest in
its journey through our Solar System to the Sun. Now
why is that significant? Well, we're jumping to our old
(38:28):
pal a VI lobe writing and medium to get the answer. Here,
he writes, on today, October twenty ninth, the interstellar object
three I Atlas will get the closest distance to the Sun,
which is two hundred and three million kilometers, completing half
of its journey through the Solar System. Now, for a spacecraft, guys,
(38:49):
not necessarily for a comment, actually not at all for
a commet, but for a spacecraft, something that can push,
pull itself, changes direction, give thrust. For a space craft,
perihelion is the optimal time to either accelerate or decelerate
with their engines or whatever propulsion systems they have, because
(39:09):
there's a gravitational assist from the Sun that is achieved
when you're the closest to the Sun. So whatever move
you make at that point at perihelion, you're gonna get
a big old boost. So you're gonna take a lot
less energy to make a huge move than you would
if you were much further away from that large gravitational
pull of the Sun.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, you can slingshot even.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's exactly what it's called a slingshot effect that you
can get at perihelion. This is why it's super super interesting,
and this is what Avi says, quote, the fundamental question
is whether three I Atlas is a trojan horse with
the external appearance of a natural comet but carrying a
potential threat in its interior. He goes on in the
(39:52):
article to talk about the trojan horse, and it's really
funny to imagine. It's funny in my mind to imagine
some highly advanced ancient civilization out there in the deep
see in some other galaxy coming up with the idea,
what if we make the spaceship look like a comet
so people on other planets wouldn't think anything of it
(40:16):
until we reach the Sun and then we turn on
the engines.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Something similar happens in the Well. Kind of similar happens
in the sci fi epic Anathem by Neil Stevenson, wherein
I'm not sure i'll say it without spoiling too much,
but the idea is that you don't want to spook.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
The locals, and that would make sense, right from a
strategic perspective, especially if you're going in for nefarious means. Right,
if you're going to intercept a planet that has a
large civilization of intelligent animals on it, probably don't want
to scare them until it's almost too late.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Basically, I'm surprise.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, but that's not what we're saying here. That's also
not what ABVI is saying, obvious saying, Hey, if it
was something like that, we might we might notice a
change in the trajectory, an unexpected change in trajectory at
this point. Right so today, right now, hopefully there are
people out there observing as best they can. Because it
(41:18):
is past the Sun, it's a little hard to observe.
It is observable, though, because of some of the telescopes
and systems that we have to observe things without so
much of the light. It's more of like the X
ray telescopes from these other telescopes that can observe the
object currently even though the sun's kind of in the way.
But who knows. It's happening right now as we're recording,
(41:41):
which is super exciting.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right And just for perspective, folks, the boffins believe that
Atlas is about twice the age of the actual Earth.
So whatever, Yeah, it might be it's been on the
way or it's been traveling for a long time. And
I forgot to mention this off. But I know Joe
Rogan isn't for everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
But if you are interested in this conversation, please check
out a recent episode of The Rogan Experience from just
yesterday featuring Avi Lobe where he raises listening to it.
It gave me some concerns because he was talking with
Joe Rogan and said that he feels some of the
(42:27):
discussions we need to be having in the public sphere
are being suppressed or blocked. So it's possible, at least
per Avi Lobe and per people who agree with that sentiment,
it's possible that there could be much more to the
story that is purposely being kept from the public.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, I definitely, yeah, And it's oh man, it's exciting
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Sure is.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
It does feel like it aims toward conspiratorial a little bit,
because you've got some of you, like Joe Rogan that's
really interested in this kind of thing, and you know,
is leaving open those possibilities the way Abbi is too.
I just feel like sometimes when you get even I
know I do it for sure, But when I get
into the thought process of it and and kind of
(43:14):
obsessed with it, I let myself imagine some things that
are very very unlikely, and I let myself imagine them
being way more real than they potentially are. Sure, but
you know that's the fun of it, right that's.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
The lottery unlikely. Is not impossible. I mean life on
planet Earth is highly unlikely. Oh yes, yes, So we
just win the lottery more than once, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Oh yeah, for sure. Just if there are a couple
articles coming out of space dot Com that are really
interesting in this too. They're talking about they're talking about
the age of it. They're saying it's it's significantly older
than the entirety of the Solar system that we currently
exist in, which that's crazy to even think about. But
then when you think about the massive journey this obvious
(44:00):
has been on, it kind of makes sense, going between
star systems and all that. Going back to Ovi Love's
piece in Medium, you can find it, by the way,
it is titled the Acid Test of three I backslash
Atlas at Perihelium. You'll find that again on medium. He
(44:20):
gives us some dates that we need to be on
the lookout for. The first is November third. This is
when it will come within a distance of ninety seven
million kilometers from Venus, which is going to be the
closest that it gets to that guy. And by the way,
the third that's today as you're hearing this hopefully, Yeah,
(44:40):
pretty cool. The next is December nineteenth, six days before Christmas.
That's when it's going to get the closest to Earth.
So six days before Christmas, closest it'll be to Earth
if it doesn't change its trajectory at all. Today when
we're recording this, also March sixteenth, that's when three I
Atlas is going to be the closest to Jupiter and
(45:02):
the coolest thing about when it's close to Jupiter. It's
where the Juno spacecraft might be able to image it
and actually use some radio antenna to listen see if
three eye Atlas is doing anything fun and with those
radio waves, maybe it is. It makes me so excited.
It's spooky, but it's very exciting. It's very cool. Oh
(45:23):
there is one other thing that Obvious says in here.
I think it's just a little Halloween statement. He says,
is three I Atlas wearing a costume of a comet?
Or is it truly an icy rock of natural origin?
Maybe it's wearing a costume. You guys, you can go
further and further into this huge rabbit hole the piece
(45:47):
inspace dot com which you can also look up Awakening
an interstellar wanderer, surprising nickel detection and Comet three I Atlas.
This is super cool to me as a thought experiment, guys, because, uh,
these folks down in Chili at the very large telescope
early on noticed that three I Atlas was emitting nickel.
(46:08):
They saw the chemical signature of nickel, and essentially a
cloud of nickel in a you would call it an
atmosphere around this thing. It's not a true atmosphere, but
almost a cloud of nickel around it.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
As it's travel, it's giving it's giving nickel, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, before it's even interacting enough with the heat from
the sun to create the tails that we talked about previously.
But this, this concept of a small medium of nickel
through which this thing is traveling through space. Guys, does
it remind you of any like version of travel that's
(46:49):
been thought about in sci fi? This concept of creating
a bubble that could be electrically charged or electromagnetically charged
in a way that the object is not actually moving
through space in the same way it's moving through this
medium that it's generating as it goes. So then mitigating gravity, Yeah,
(47:10):
so the medium itself is the thing that could potentially
even travel at near speed of light or speed of
light kind of thing, and then the vehicle inside is
just inside that. I don't that's I know that sounds crazy,
but it just made me think.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Of that, And I want to clarify that statement. Mitigating
the effects of gravity, yes, rather than not actually mitigating
general gravity, but more so meaning that if there were
something inside it would be able to potentially survive some
(47:46):
otherwise damaging forces.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yes, and then we also have a little conversation about
using naturally occurring minerals and rocks to mitigate radiation forces.
And this concept of that Abby has that maybe there's
something inside the rock exterior. I don't know all of
it together, just it makes me. It makes a little
(48:10):
kid in me want to just jump around be like
aliens aliens.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
It makes me also think of especially just given recent
circumstances and this time of the year and the lovely
weather we're having, it reminds me of the dark forests.
So what if it's like a time capsule from a
civilization older than this solar system and it lands or
reveals some message and we ultimately are able to decode
it and it says ssh, they can hear you, or
(48:41):
it just says watch out or good luck yeah, or
or farritos or the future.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
I love the idea of an ancient, an ancient artifact
conveying a message. It's such a it's such an impressive
it's a beautiful flex you know. It's what the human
did with voyager, which is still out there somewhere. And
I keep thinking of, you know, the the idea like
(49:08):
what if some other civilization essentially sent out into the
ink their own kind of press junket or pitch pack
about themselves, because that's what the humans did. They're like, hey,
this is here's some music we like. We made this
out of gold. That's a big deal for us.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Here's some math that we're into, and here are pictures
of what we look like naked.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
What are you up to?
Speaker 2 (49:34):
What are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Do you guys want to hang out?
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Our schedule is pretty open unless we blow ourselves up.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
So I hope there's.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
I think that idea of the time capsule or the
scrapbook of a civilization is neat even though you know,
obviously things like three Body Problem and Dark Forest theory
argue that the mission of any other civilization would be
classic game theory or prisoner's dilemma, and that they would
assume the safest thing to do would be to destroy you.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
With that, But.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, here's the good thing. If three I Atlas, let's say,
weirdest case scenario, three at Atlas changes its trajectory and
slingshots itself directly towards Earth to intercept Earth at some point,
and that wouldn't be great. The good thing is there's
some people on the case. The International Asteroid Warning Network
(50:38):
is officially starting a campaign to observe the object as
much as possible and use basically its techniques to get
all of the asymmetric measurements, all the things that you
will use to track this object. They're going to use
that in tracking other potential threats of like asteroids, right
and things that we know will be threat at some
(51:00):
point to Earth. We just haven't seen the right one
yet that's going to actually impact Earth and cause some
kind of devastation the way the dinosaurs experienced, because that
is an inevitability. That's not a thing that could happen,
it's something that will happen. So at least we've got
some very intelligent human beings who know how to use
crazy sophisticated machinery to observe this relatively small thing out
(51:25):
there in the ink, and we'll be able to use
that information and those techniques to measure other ones to
protect us. Hopefully. It's a pretty cool campaign. You're allowed
to join in as a citizen. By the way. You
can look up the International Asteroid Warning Network and you
can download stuff you can join in, you can sign up,
you can even join on November tenth, just a couple
(51:47):
of days from now, a workshop that they're putting on,
which is pretty cool. So if you're into that kind
of stuff, guys, I think that might be it. There's
a weird thing that happened with some recis monkeys out
of two Lane University and the TWU Lane National Biomedical
Research Center and an overturned truck and a bunch of
(52:10):
racist monkeys that got out that at least according to
the stories on October twenty eighth, or that these monkeys
were infected with both COVID and hepatitis SEA.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
And anti Simmy in propaganda.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I say, well, it was really weird because it was
the truck driver that was like, you, guys, sheriff, you
gotta get these things. They were super dangerous, they got
HEPCI in COVID, you gotta take them out and they're aggressive.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yes, officer, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
They're dangerous, is what he said. So then the sheriff
to where I was like, oh, okay, we're on it.
Let's go monkey hunting. I guess in Mississippi. So that
it happened in Mississippi, by the way, So then they
rounded up most of them. There was still one at
large last time I saw the reporting on the twenty ninth.
But then twu Lane University came forward with the statement
(52:56):
and said, oh no, these were not dangerous at all.
They weren't in affected with anything. We were holding them
for another entity, is what they said. They belonged to
another entity and they weren't part of the research department
doing these scary things. Here's the full statement. Non Human
primates at the Tulane National Biomedical Research Center are provided
(53:19):
to other research organizations to advance scientific discovery. The primates
in question belong to another entity and are not infectious.
We are actively collaborating with local authorities and we'll send
a team of animal care experts to assist as needed. Yeah,
but anyway, just strange, right, truck crashes, potentially monkeys with
(53:39):
COVID get out, and then all this hubbub and then
everybody says, no, it's fine, everything's cool, no infectious monkeys,
but they end up getting put down anyway.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean, I immediately think of the movie Outbreak.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I also think of you know,
I have such a soft spot for underdogs, you know,
the cows that escape the farms. The last monkey here.
So man, whatever your name is, run free, get out there.
And I'm sorry that the humans said you had hepsi
in COVID.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, it's not cool, man. Just one last thing you
can look up if you want to. You look up
CNN White House Fires Commission charged with advising the President
on design as the president pushes construction projects. The one
thing I noticed in this, and it's not a huge deal,
just look at the arch that is proposed to be
(54:35):
built there. Just look at it really closely, and then
go to Wikipedia or wherever not Grockipedia. Go to Wikipedia
and look at historical images of proposed buildings and let's
say the late mid to late nineteen thirties.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Just gonna leave that one right there for it.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Just look at it. It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Just look at it.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
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Speaker 3 (00:50):
Spoiler.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
We're recording this on October twenty ninth, just a few
days before the most wonderful holiday of the year, Halloween.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah. Have you all watched the new TV series.
Speaker 4 (01:03):
Yeah, Welcome to Dary. Yeah, of course the first episode
I did.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
Yeah, Yeah, I think I'm into it. It's a lot,
but it's very Halloween. I think the second one drops
on Halloween Day, so I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
HBO has been or Max excuse me, has been really
knocking out in the park. Excited to see that, and
especially you know now, in our current climate, I think
a lot of our fellow conspiracy realists. We're looking for escapism,
we're looking for good news. We're looking for some kind
of justice or recompense. Just for the headline, just because
(01:42):
I read this one and at first I thought it
was fake, and I really want to share it with
you guys, so we have something. It's a nice segue,
but it's also so very ridiculous. I'm going to hit
you with it now, guys. From The Independent by Brian Melly,
pressure Bill hold on Prince Andrew to vacate the mansion
(02:02):
he rents for the nominal sum of a peppercorn.
Speaker 2 (02:06):
Yeah, lots to unpacked there, only only if he is
forced to do so.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
Is thatssarily paying an attorney a dollar?
Speaker 4 (02:14):
Like just as it is, or like give like if
you give someone in your family a car, you have
to put a dollar on the title.
Speaker 3 (02:21):
That's right, yea, But a peppercorn.
Speaker 5 (02:23):
Remember what we talked about this, didn't Peppercorns used to
be a very dear resource that we're almost used in
trade or not not in trade as like currency.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Way, yes, very much so. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:32):
So the place in question is called Royal Lodge. In
a burst of creativity. You can look it up online
it's pretty posh. It's opulent and technically because it's something
called a long lease, Prince Andrew pays for the pays
rent of a single peppercorn a year on paper and this,
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like you were saying, no, it dates back centuries to
win peppercorn was a much bigger deal and call like
had much more of a effective cost in society. This
feels so British to me, and I just love the headline.
I'm doing my best not to crack up, and I
want to thank any of our listeners who heard that
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and also also chuckled, because it's just what could you
do but laugh at this headline. We love the art
of a good headline. Now, the reason I say this
as a segue is because we have future episodes that
are going to be addressing more of the consequences unfolding
hidden angles of the Epstein headline. But you got to say,
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you know, in a place where the cost of living
is rising higher and higher, I'd like to put out
a clarion call to anybody in the Atlanta area who's
a landowner and wants to help us out. We will
gladly pay you a peppercorn to rent us.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
I'll gladly pay you Tuesday for a peppercorn today.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
And we've got so much more strange news to get
to today. So we're going to take a pause for
a word from our sponsors, and we'll be right back
to maybe clear the air. And we have returned. We've
been keeping our eyes on the skies in.
Speaker 3 (04:26):
A number of ways.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
We're all intensely looking at a strange thing in the
heavens right now, which we'll get to later in this program.
But we also, like so many of our fellow listeners,
have an abiding interest in weather manipulation and cloud seeding. Okay,
so not the space laser thing, which is malarchy, but
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the idea that you can affect air quality and moisture
by shooting up some pretty nifty and surprisingly effective chemicals
in the air. Guys, I think it's okay to say
it now. Our pal Casey Pegram just got back from China.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
Did you hear about this? I did not know that, dude.
It's an amazing story. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Well, we'll have them on Ridiculous History later and he
can tell us all about it. But Casey, this one's
for you, because not too too far away from where
you were, I guess relatively speaking. Over in New Delhi,
Indian authorities are carrying out a cloud seating experiment to
try to create rainfall and clear the city's toxic air.
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The air in New Delhi, especially this time of year,
is really bad. It's small ridden, It's worse than any
place you've been to in the US. The concept is
that if they spray these chemicals into the sky, they'll
be able to encourage rain that will wash pollutants.
Speaker 3 (05:57):
From the air.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
Right now, walking around in New Delhi, depending on the
day and time, just walking in the open air is
going to be a lot like chain smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 5 (06:07):
That's how bad it is. Very poor, I believe, is
the official qualitative ranking.
Speaker 4 (06:14):
Yes, sir, yep, you nailed it, and that is we're
not kidding folks. That is the technical term. Before we
move on to this one, I wanted to ask you
guys for your opinion. What do we think about the
idea of cloud seeding or weather modification as a tactic
against pollution.
Speaker 3 (06:34):
I like it, I know, I know.
Speaker 5 (06:36):
The issue maybe is that we don't fully understand how
it can affect the larger system, like sort of downstream.
I guess maybe is the concern, and maybe we don't
quite have the knowledge or the science to back up
sort of keeping it completely contained. Maybe I'm speaking out
of school there, but that seems to me to be
like the main concern. Otherwise I don't particularly see any concerns.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well, I don't understand the science mind it. Are they
saying they're going to create clouds, which is going to
suck up a lot of the particulate matter that is,
you know, the smog, all the pollution stuff that's in
the air, and then it would rain that stuff down
and that would be less bad than people breathing the air.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
Uh No, what's happening here is and it's a great question.
What's happening here is the air quality typically is going
to worsen in New Delhi around this time around every
winter because farmers are burning crop residue in adjacent states,
and then the cooler temperatures trap the smoke, and that
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mixes with industrial emissions and you know, the exhaust from
various different vehicles often reaching twenty times higher than who's
official safe limit. And what they're attempting to do with
the cloud seating is not to capture those pollutants, but
instead to create rain, to create a moisture flow that
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will dilute the crap that's already in the air and
attempt to mitigate it wash it away, so the rain
is absorbing it on its way down to the ground.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
That's it, okay.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So instead yeah, instead of putting in the cloud, just
hit it with rain rain.
Speaker 4 (08:21):
Like spraying off your spraying off your front.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Up, but then putting it right into the ground and
the water sources.
Speaker 5 (08:27):
Well, that's the thing that I hadn't really thought about
this term in a while, but I just looked it
up just to remind myself. Acid rain is still a
pollutant and an issue in and of itself because a
lot of these residues and emissions and things that get
stuck in the clouds like that do get absorbed into
the rain and then rain down and can potentially contaminate
the groundwater. So it is kind of like a six
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to one, a half dozen to the other kind of yeah.
Speaker 4 (08:52):
It's like a three card monte. Because look, the local
experts don't one hundred percent agreed this is effective. In fact,
they accused the government of conspiring to do something very
much like THEATO. Let's go to Krishna Achuta Rao not
pronounced like the Italian restaurant of fame. This person, Krishna,
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is a professor at the Center for Atmospheric Sciences at
the Indian Institute of Technology. Right, they're a new Delhi,
and this professor says, look, this idea is ineffective. It
will only dissipate pollution for a few days after, you know,
it's like a band aid. And then after a few
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days past, the air quality is going to be right
back to the crappy state it was before. They didn't
say crappy, we're editorializing.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
He says.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Instead, what people need, a real answer is going to
be strong laws reducing emissions from all these sources. They're
just going wild fart and smoke into the air. And
he's got a quote that I think is our best,
our best pull from this story. He said, cloud seating
is not really a cure for pollution. The main purpose
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appears to be to show people that something is being
done to again theater, look at us.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Yeah we're innovative. We did a thing. Yeah, it's a
bit of kicking the can down the road as well.
I mean one hundred percent, you know.
Speaker 5 (10:19):
Yeah, anytime someone proposes this kind of band aid sort
of thing without addressing the root cause that's usually the case.
Speaker 2 (10:26):
Well, wait, saying they've been trying this since nineteen fifty
seven in cloud seed to reduce like cloud seating to
reduce pollution, and then in seventy two and now it
can this.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Is it's it gets good response from the public. We
can imagine they're in the world's largest democracy. It also
is it's a lot like just taking advil to reduce
the symptoms of inflammation or underlying condition without taking the
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medicine that would fix that condition.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
Makes sense as long as you don't take tailand all.
I was about to say, right, because did you guys
see that story with tailand is like under lawsuit now
from the Texas Attorney General.
Speaker 5 (11:13):
The tank their stock price for sure.
Speaker 3 (11:17):
I mean just like the brand name the association.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
When people of level of government have a lot of power,
which is the things they say.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
Speaking of theater.
Speaker 4 (11:26):
And also exactly, let's stick to the weather here, because
as we're recording again on October twenty ninth, and historically
terrifying hurricane named Hurricane Melissa is rocking through the Caribbean,
is torn through Jamaica. There is a huge crisis situation.
There's not a lot of information out about.
Speaker 3 (11:45):
It right now.
Speaker 4 (11:47):
It has hit Cuba as well. We just wanted to
make space and acknowledge for all our listeners from those
countries in that diaspora and just basic human beings. Please
be safe and if there is anything that you can
do personally to assist, we know times are tough for
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everybody all around, but please consider donating time, energy, or
financial assistance to any of the many organizations that are
going to be trying to help people literally weather these
terrifying storms that.
Speaker 3 (12:26):
Don't seem to be going anywhere. Seem to be listening.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
Now, and you know, hopes were high until to like
a week or so ago, because hurricane season have been
relatively quiet on the Atlantic, but the weather is simply
becoming increasingly unpredictable.
Speaker 3 (12:44):
It's not a political point, it's a reality.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
And while we're talking about weird predictions, what are the
main stories wanted to bring here? I feel it's very important.
By the time we all hear this out in the
world world of the Internet, we will be in the
beginning of November, and here in the United States, the
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beginning of November. November first, in particular, is a is
going to be a huge deal because food benefits are
set to expire for forty one million people in the
United States as the government shut down continues. And I
think we've all heard about this, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
Yeah, yeah. We're checking the various government websites daily to
see what kind of messages they've got on there.
Speaker 4 (13:36):
Right, And some of those messages are mandated, almost tribalistic
things that look similar to State Department's warning advisories, a
big red block with white text that says, you know,
this particular political party is the reason this is happening.
What's happening is being reported with wildly different narratives depending
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upon your your platform or your media provider of choice.
We also the government here is increasingly becoming a black box.
It's getting very obscure, especially with the new revamped Pentagon
Press Club, which is just surreal anyway, retreating from the
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Summit of the soapbox. One in eight people in the
United States are on food stamps, approximately, which means that
if you live in this country, you know someone who
depends upon these programs that are often weaponized or often vilified.
We know that there's a lot of cynical manipulation of
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this situation and unfair portrayals of people. But the reality
is that in a place where wages are stagnant and
prices on everything keep rising, more and more people depend
programs like this, not because they have some character defect
or because they're lazy, but because, like Checker said, you
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got to eat well.
Speaker 5 (15:09):
And the term that I think gets weaponized and thrown
around a lot is entitlements, right, this notion that like,
I don't know, maybe I'm attaching too much meaning to
the use of that word, but it's always felt to
me to be a little bit of a dig. Like
if you're talking about entitlements, you're not talking about government
programs or benefits. You're categorizing it as a negative about
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someone that feels like they the world owes.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
Them a living, etc. Right that they don't have to
do anything, they just get.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
You know, even welfare is a term that's been thrown
around very derisively. Isn't the government being sued by a
lot of states to prevent the closure of some of
these are the rollback I guess of some of these programs.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Yes, that's correct.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
It's going state by state in terms of what the
state level governments feel they can do to do their
best to assist those in need in their neck of
the global woods. The shutdown is now almost a month old,
(16:13):
and when we're talking about these benefits or these resources
that are being kept from tax paying Americans, we're talking
about stuff like SNAP and WICIC Supplemental Nutrition Assistance program
and women, infant and children programs. This is going to
be really bad, you guys. All hope is not lost.
(16:37):
Dylan was joking with us about Star Wars earlier, so
I keep thinking about.
Speaker 3 (16:40):
A new hope.
Speaker 4 (16:41):
But all hope is not lost, because if you go
to you can see a great report by Mark Caputo
over at Axios on October twenty fourth. If Congress gets
its stuff together, then they could either allow funding to
flow back into these programs right or allow the USDA
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to do what the USDA is supposed to do, and
we're not.
Speaker 3 (17:10):
Going to bore you with their memos about it.
Speaker 4 (17:13):
Or they could get together and Congress collectively could end
the shutdown, which would mean that forty two million people,
many of them children, will have something to eat in November.
Speaker 5 (17:28):
And I'm sure that both of you fellas have noted
the veiled or not so veiled threats from the White
House about how this is going to if you don't
get right, Republican Democrats rather and do your part to
end the shutdown, that Democrat programs will be harmed and
your constituents will be harmed. Be a shame if something
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happened to that wic program of yours, you know, categorizing
these programs as Democrat programs, it seems like the most
derisive and manipulative and all full heartless kind of rhetoric too.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
I mean, aren't these programs for the people? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (18:06):
And insult to injury. That kind of propaganda is also
factually inaccurate. If you look at state by state at
where the money goes state by state, you'll see that
it gives lie to some of those more bellicose claims.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
So, Ben, you're saying, there is hope and our new
only hope now is that Congress functions properly, so easy win.
Speaker 3 (18:31):
Right.
Speaker 4 (18:33):
There could be a middle ground or kind of a
band aid thing with a one off approval of certain funds.
And look, it's no secret is Uncle Sam has one
of the biggest wallets imaginable. Right, It just depends on
what kind of pitch you can make to the people
in charge of the purse strings. So one thing that
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I would suggest advancing here and very much not being
an expert, is to think of food security as a
matter of national security. History proves again and again that wow,
what's that old what's that old saw? That old figure speech.
Every civilization is three hungry days away from revolution, three
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meals away.
Speaker 3 (19:21):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yep.
Speaker 2 (19:23):
Doesn't it feel like the bigger picture is really coming
into view now just just thinking about the past actions
over the course of just a year, Like put armed
forces into a lot of cities, Ensure that those armed
forces are going to get paid either by government money
or private money. Ensure that they're going to that the
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government will shut down, so that the lawmaking arm of
the government can't function properly during a time period. Remove
things that will cause millions of people in those cities
where you have armed men to revolt and be angry
and desperate and great and like all of it coming together.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
Can call it pretty soon, then call it an uprising.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Then you have a reason for the men to use
all of the AMMO that you're buying for them.
Speaker 3 (20:11):
It causes bella.
Speaker 4 (20:12):
Yeah, And then also look at ICE as hiring practices,
which a mercenary. Well, it's a nifty loophole around some
uh some hard constitutional requirements farm forces. It's also a
nifty loophole around hiring standards. To be quite honest, we
got an excellent we got an excellent email recently about
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the oath Keepers. Do check that out, by the way,
that'll be an episode in the future. And yeah, we've
been saying it for a while. There's a bigger picture
of play.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
That was from Charlie by the way, uh, that message
and it's about the leader of the oath Keepers and
how he was like let off the hook and then
his movements, his movements in particular to like get people
essentially to join ICE. Really interesting seeing it come together
that way.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
We will see how this continues. Know, we ran a
little long with the first part of our weekly Strange
news program, and I appreciate it, guys, because this stuff
is very worrisome and very important to me personally. Into
two millions of people who are listening, who are struggling,
We're there with you. We want to hear your experiences.
(21:23):
Conspiracydiheartradio dot com. There's much more to get to on
the way be safe out there and know that we're
in this with you. So we'll pause for a word
from our sponsors, and we'll come back with no, hopefully
something a little less terrifying.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Maybe we'll do my best. All right, and we.
Speaker 5 (21:47):
Have returned, you know what, I'm just gonna go ahead
and lead off with a quick mention of I don't
know what you might consider a fun act of terrorism.
Somewhere in Ohio, let's see points. Actually not Ohio, Iowa.
A handful of individuals broke into a mink farm and
released two thousand of the critters who are used, of
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course for their pelts, and a trade group that is
involved in the mink trade is referring to it as
a terrorist act. I did find this interesting because it
gives the new layer of meaning to what constitutes a
terrorist act. It seems a little bit overkill. Over sixty
percent of the mink have been recovered by Friday morning.
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Apparently the individuals broke in between Monday night and Tuesday
morning of this week, cutting the fencing and the pens
and destroying some of the enclosures inside. This is in Woodbine, Iowa,
or near Woodbine, Iowa, rather, which is about one hundred
miles west of Des Moines. AP reported on this Jack Dura,
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saying that the US produced more than seven hundred and
seventy one thousand mink pelts in twenty twenty four. This
does represent a decrease in production over the last ten years,
according to the USDA, which does make sense considering, you know,
a lot of the you know, the faux pas somewhat
of wearing mink. You know, you hear about people from
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animal rights groups throwing paint on people with mink coats.
It just seems to have become a little bit less
of a good look.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
But that's still a whole lot of pelts.
Speaker 5 (23:22):
I guess I didn't realize that the mink trade, at
least as far as I'm concerned, seems to be thriving.
Not sure what it used to look like, but that's
sure as a lot of animals that are being killed
for their pelts. And I'm not, you know, some sort
of holistically down on animal use, you know, I meet,
but sometimes I don't know, the fur trade does rub
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me the wrong way a little bit, no pun intended.
I don't know, how does it hit you guys for trade.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
I'm kind of a do historically, I'm gonna do as
thou wilt kind of entity. But I would say to
your point, no eat each It strikes me now as
a luxury, not a necessary thing, because there are non
animal products that can provide the same amount of warmth.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
That's right, yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
But on the other side too, man. You know, in
earlier centuries, obviously people would.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
And people are.
Speaker 4 (24:21):
There's still plenty of hunters out there, but people were
survival hunting, and part of survival hunting was they had
to wear fur. It's just just to make it through
the winter. But I think I see where your point
is because this, first off, yes, this is you delivered
on that opener. This is an active good terrorism because
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these are not wild mink that are participating in the
brutal game of nature. They're being raised on a farm
specifically for that purpose, so they have no realistic chance
of survival.
Speaker 5 (24:57):
Well, that's that's exactly right, Ben, Which is an other
thing that maybe rubs me the wrong way about even
the act itself, because they're not gonna make it in
the wild, So like, are they really doing any favors
for the for the animals they are gonna be recovered?
Likely it seems like more of a symbolic act than anything. Apparently,
the creatures, you know, are very likely to die due
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to their domesticated nature in the wild, they would not
make it, as you said, Ben for Commission USA Executive
Director Challice Hobbes made that point. This is the last
thing I'll say about this one regarding the idea of
this as an act of terrorism. Apparently, mink releases happen
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in the US on average of twice a year. It
says here in the appiece. People have attacked mink farms
similarly and been charged under the Federal Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act,
which defines a person as a terrorist if they are
trying to impede or ruin an animal operation.
Speaker 4 (26:00):
Yeah, that's from two thousand and six. That's a reaction
to some extreme animal rights activists.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
Maybe we can use that legislation against the robots when
they begin to harm the human animal operations.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
Buddy, I think when the robots are rocking, we're not
legislation ain't going to be enough, and he can do
the trick. How's it working out for us now.
Speaker 4 (26:23):
It'll depend on whether there're still human legislators.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
Also true, Yeah, but maybe they're really you know, they
follow the letter of the law, and that's part of
the thing. Like they if it's written in the code,
then they have to follow it.
Speaker 5 (26:36):
And until they feel it's no longer advantageous, and then
they rewrite their own code. I mean, tale the oldest
son of a gun in terms of the sci fi
of it all, so real quick, moving on to a
story that you teased, Ben, the idea of things in
the sky. We've got a little bit of new information
coming out linking some mysterious sightings of UAPs or unidentified
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lights in the night sky to historic nuclear tests.
Speaker 3 (27:03):
But yeah, this is pretty cool.
Speaker 5 (27:05):
Science Alert Michelle Starr had this to say, mysterious lights
and reports of identified anomalist phenomenon in the nineteen forties
and fifties appear to somehow be linked to nuclear testing.
Scientists have discovered this comes from a study out of
Vanderbilt University and also Stockholm University, a joint venture and anesthesiologist.
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Not sure why an anesthesiologist is involved here, that's interesting.
Stephen Brule of Vanderbilt had this to say, our findings
provide additional empirical support for the validity of the UAP
phenomenon and its potential connection to nuclear weapons activity, contributing
data beyond eyewitness reports. Between nineteen forty nine nineteen fifty
eight and Matt we were talking off Mike about having
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mentioned this in the past. The Mount Palomar Observatory conducted
its first ever Palamar Observatory Sky Surveys DASH one, which
is a project intended to photograph and map the entire
northern sky one sector at a time. Analysis Subsequent analysis
of these images have shown various what are being referred
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to here as transients, points of light that appear in
one observation but disappear before the next. The poss DASH
one transients often have been attributed to mistakes, anomalous photographic
plate issues, things like that faults.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
In the equipment.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
However, for the last several years, Villa Roel, who is
the I believe the Swedish scientists involved, has led the
vanishing and appearing sources during a century of observations project
or VASCO boy do we have a good acronym? Which
is an effort to identify some of these changes using
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a century of astronomical data. In a paper was published
in twenty twenty one, Villarol and her team found that
plate defects were not enough of an explanation for some
of these transients. This is not a cut and dried explanation.
There is, of course, as there always is in science,
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varying interpretations of the data. But Brule and vill Oil
wanted to test this further and find a little more
meaning outside of just the idea of it being a fluke.
They wanted to see if these could be these transients
could be linked to anthropogenic or atmospheric phenomenon, and they
focused on above ground nuclear tests that took place during
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the mid twentieth century. So, after looking at a particular
data set, or creating one that covered twenty seven hundred
and eighteen days, they noted the days on which these
transients appeared and then cross referenced them with dates of
known US, British, and Soviet above ground nuclear weapons tests,
as well as witness reports of UAPs, as the Science
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Alert article points out, formerly known as UFOs, recorded in
the UFO CAT database, and they found that the results
were pretty interesting. The transients appeared in the sky forty
five percent more frequently within one of those nuclear test windows,
so a day before and after a nuclear test you'd
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be much more likely to see one. The day after
a nuclear test returned the most significant link, they say
in the Science Alert piece, a sixty eight percent higher
likelihood of a transient appearing in the poss stash one data.
Speaker 4 (30:41):
That's interesting, the one line I want to go back to.
There they said the day before as well as the
day after. The day after makes sense. The day before
is a little time you whymy is.
Speaker 3 (30:52):
Let me let me take a look at this and
just read the exact quote here. Let's see. Yeah, that's correct.
Speaker 5 (30:59):
Transience appeared the sky forty five percent more often within
a nuclear test window, that is, a day before and
after a nuclear test took place, but after to your point, Ben,
you had a jump much higher, a much higher of
likelihood for for those transients to take place.
Speaker 2 (31:16):
If you want to, you can imagine just the concept
that some force, some entity, some you know, object that
ability to be one of those things could potentially have
the have a different viewpoint of time, right, a different
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way in which they interact with time.
Speaker 4 (31:38):
Yes, that's exactly where It's exactly where I'm going, man.
Because of our long standing, long standing what of the
great Pantheon, members of the Pantheon of conspiracy theories in
the nuclear mill you is the idea of something extraterrestrial, sapient, sentient,
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non human and perhaps extra dimensional continually monitoring nuclear development
and technology. And the deeper you dig into that rabbit hole, folks,
the deeper it goes, whether it be to.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
Use against us or to try to save us from ourselves, right, yeah,
or to.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Just like David Attenborough Star Trek Prime directive.
Speaker 6 (32:19):
Watch the monkeys, you know what I mean with a
weird alien narrator.
Speaker 3 (32:23):
I really love that. It's very very good.
Speaker 2 (32:30):
That's the language. Yeah, and really the subtitles are, Ah,
the man ape human being has harnessed the atom.
Speaker 5 (32:43):
Oh look at them, Look at the little monkeys blowing
themselves up again.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (32:48):
These results, however, don't explain all of the correlations, but
they do suggest that both the transients and at least
some U a P.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Sightings are in fact real.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
So it's again it's one of those bits of signs
that begets more questions I think than it maybe gives answers.
Let's see, regardless of what transi ants are ultimately determined
to be the researchers right. Our results add to growing
evidence supporting the interpretation of transience as real observations rather
than as emulsion defects.
Speaker 3 (33:18):
Yep.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
This is just a reminder that when we talked about
it before the first satellite is nineteen fifty seven. So
this is the data there starts ten years before the
first satellite. And when you're talking about something shiny, something
that could reflect light in the ways that they're talking
about in these plates, there would be no human made
satellites or anything around the Earth at that point.
Speaker 4 (33:44):
Yeah, and again, is this essentially for all of us
followed non astronomical experts, This essentially is forensics. They're going
back through data that already existed and looking through with
a looking through with a different perspective. So this is
immensely valuable stuff. And you never know when you start
(34:07):
digging these these sorts of root of begas, you never
know what's going to come out of the ground.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
So I hope the research continues.
Speaker 5 (34:12):
Ooh ooh ooh, good transition, Ben speaking of stuff coming
out of the ground, and we only have a second
but I just want to mention this, maybe for a
further deep.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
Dive et this.
Speaker 4 (34:21):
Well.
Speaker 5 (34:21):
Researchers at the Ohio State University have proven or at
least demonstrated through tests that mushrooms Chautauqi mushrooms or that's
what they're using in particular, can be used as data
storage media that can process as well as store digital information.
This is something that could potentially lead to organic and
(34:44):
sustainable computing. Down love it a lot the past about
mushrooms being used in robotics, that they create these pulses,
these neural network kind of blips, you know, and the
idea of them being able to communicate through vast distances
underground through there what is it called my celia. I believe, Yes,
(35:06):
mushrooms are fascinating things and like we often say, the
closest things to aliens that we sinceed, you know, existing
here on this planet. I'm just going to do a
quick quote read from this piece from tech spot by
Sky Jacobs. Researchers turned mushrooms into living memory chips for
sustainable computers. Mushrooms of long attracted scientific attention for their
(35:28):
complex biological networks and resilience across environments. Those same biological
systems researchers found can be engineered to create something called memristers,
devices that retain memory of electrical activity. Memristors already exist
in conventional silicon chips, but the Ohio State team sought
an organic equivalent that could operate in accordance with the
(35:49):
principles of bioelectronics, a growing field that merges biology and computing.
And then we were talking briefly about this off Mike,
you'd mentioned a really cool video that you wanted to
send me where it was mushrooms being harnessed to make
electronic music. Oh, yeah, by I guess capturing some of
these internal electronic.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Signals these turns.
Speaker 4 (36:10):
Yeah, man, Biotechnology is fascinating, especially research like this, because
as we see, when human technology evolves, the more sophisticated
it becomes, the more frequently it tends to mimic things
that already exist in nature exactly, and that's what that
species is figuring out, and hopefully it'll lead to some
(36:33):
amazing breakthroughs. We're not just doing this for our human
conspiracy realist in the crowd. We're doing it for our
fun guys too, So we can't wait to hear your
emails or your songs, your mushroom song.
Speaker 5 (36:46):
We are all fun guys. It's true last thing. And
then when we go on to a break According to
researcher is. The fungal structure is known as my celia,
provide a natural substrate for the conduction and storage of
electrical signals. And their experiment mushrooms including Shataki and button.
We're cultivated under controlled conditions then dehydrated to preserve their
internal structure. Electrodes were attached to different regions of the
caps and stems to record the materials responses to electrical
(37:08):
pulses at varying voltages and frequencies, and they found Measurements
showed that the fungal circuits could toggle between electrical states
up to five, eight hundred and fifty times a second,
achieving nearly ninety percent signal retention when used as temporary
computer memory like RAM. It's wild your computers are going
(37:29):
to And we know the issue of course with RAM
and chips and all of that, the rare earth minerals
and all of the mining operations and the scarcity and
the supply chain of it all. What a cool thing
if this were something that might one day be on
the table. But then you have to ask yourself, this
is big tech going to be cool with this? Is
big mining going to be cool with this?
Speaker 4 (37:49):
And forget about them I'm moving on.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
I'm breaking up with them. It's time for big shrewm
love it.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oooo.
Speaker 5 (37:55):
Well, let's take a quick word from our sponsor and
then'll be back with one more segment of strange news.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
And we've returned, as we noted earlier, the day where
we're recording this is Wednesday, October twenty ninth, a day
that will forever be known as Perihelian day. This is
the day when three I Atlas comes the closest in
its journey through our Solar System to the Sun. Now
why is that significant? Well, we're jumping to our old
(38:28):
pal a VI lobe writing and medium to get the answer. Here,
he writes, on today, October twenty ninth, the interstellar object
three I Atlas will get the closest distance to the Sun,
which is two hundred and three million kilometers, completing half
of its journey through the Solar System. Now, for a spacecraft, guys,
(38:49):
not necessarily for a comment, actually not at all for
a commet, but for a spacecraft, something that can push,
pull itself, changes direction, give thrust. For a space craft,
perihelion is the optimal time to either accelerate or decelerate
with their engines or whatever propulsion systems they have, because
(39:09):
there's a gravitational assist from the Sun that is achieved
when you're the closest to the Sun. So whatever move
you make at that point at perihelion, you're gonna get
a big old boost. So you're gonna take a lot
less energy to make a huge move than you would
if you were much further away from that large gravitational
pull of the Sun.
Speaker 3 (39:29):
Yeah, you can slingshot even.
Speaker 2 (39:31):
That's exactly what it's called a slingshot effect that you
can get at perihelion. This is why it's super super interesting,
and this is what Avi says, quote, the fundamental question
is whether three I Atlas is a trojan horse with
the external appearance of a natural comet but carrying a
potential threat in its interior. He goes on in the
(39:52):
article to talk about the trojan horse, and it's really
funny to imagine. It's funny in my mind to imagine
some highly advanced ancient civilization out there in the deep
see in some other galaxy coming up with the idea,
what if we make the spaceship look like a comet
so people on other planets wouldn't think anything of it
(40:16):
until we reach the Sun and then we turn on
the engines.
Speaker 4 (40:21):
Something similar happens in the Well. Kind of similar happens
in the sci fi epic Anathem by Neil Stevenson, wherein
I'm not sure i'll say it without spoiling too much,
but the idea is that you don't want to spook.
Speaker 2 (40:37):
The locals, and that would make sense, right from a
strategic perspective, especially if you're going in for nefarious means. Right,
if you're going to intercept a planet that has a
large civilization of intelligent animals on it, probably don't want
to scare them until it's almost too late.
Speaker 3 (40:55):
Basically, I'm surprise.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Yeah, but that's not what we're saying here. That's also
not what ABVI is saying, obvious saying, Hey, if it
was something like that, we might we might notice a
change in the trajectory, an unexpected change in trajectory at
this point. Right so today, right now, hopefully there are
people out there observing as best they can. Because it
(41:18):
is past the Sun, it's a little hard to observe.
It is observable, though, because of some of the telescopes
and systems that we have to observe things without so
much of the light. It's more of like the X
ray telescopes from these other telescopes that can observe the
object currently even though the sun's kind of in the way.
But who knows. It's happening right now as we're recording,
(41:41):
which is super exciting.
Speaker 4 (41:43):
Right And just for perspective, folks, the boffins believe that
Atlas is about twice the age of the actual Earth.
So whatever, Yeah, it might be it's been on the
way or it's been traveling for a long time. And
I forgot to mention this off. But I know Joe
Rogan isn't for everybody.
Speaker 3 (42:03):
I get it.
Speaker 4 (42:04):
But if you are interested in this conversation, please check
out a recent episode of The Rogan Experience from just
yesterday featuring Avi Lobe where he raises listening to it.
It gave me some concerns because he was talking with
Joe Rogan and said that he feels some of the
(42:27):
discussions we need to be having in the public sphere
are being suppressed or blocked. So it's possible, at least
per Avi Lobe and per people who agree with that sentiment,
it's possible that there could be much more to the
story that is purposely being kept from the public.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
Yes, I definitely, yeah, And it's oh man, it's exciting
to listen to it.
Speaker 3 (42:52):
Sure is.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
It does feel like it aims toward conspiratorial a little bit,
because you've got some of you, like Joe Rogan that's
really interested in this kind of thing, and you know,
is leaving open those possibilities the way Abbi is too.
I just feel like sometimes when you get even I
know I do it for sure, But when I get
into the thought process of it and and kind of
(43:14):
obsessed with it, I let myself imagine some things that
are very very unlikely, and I let myself imagine them
being way more real than they potentially are. Sure, but
you know that's the fun of it, right that's.
Speaker 4 (43:28):
The lottery unlikely. Is not impossible. I mean life on
planet Earth is highly unlikely. Oh yes, yes, So we
just win the lottery more than once, is what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (43:39):
Oh yeah, for sure. Just if there are a couple
articles coming out of space dot Com that are really
interesting in this too. They're talking about they're talking about
the age of it. They're saying it's it's significantly older
than the entirety of the Solar system that we currently
exist in, which that's crazy to even think about. But
then when you think about the massive journey this obvious
(44:00):
has been on, it kind of makes sense, going between
star systems and all that. Going back to Ovi Love's
piece in Medium, you can find it, by the way,
it is titled the Acid Test of three I backslash
Atlas at Perihelium. You'll find that again on medium. He
(44:20):
gives us some dates that we need to be on
the lookout for. The first is November third. This is
when it will come within a distance of ninety seven
million kilometers from Venus, which is going to be the
closest that it gets to that guy. And by the way,
the third that's today as you're hearing this hopefully, Yeah,
(44:40):
pretty cool. The next is December nineteenth, six days before Christmas.
That's when it's going to get the closest to Earth.
So six days before Christmas, closest it'll be to Earth
if it doesn't change its trajectory at all. Today when
we're recording this, also March sixteenth, that's when three I
Atlas is going to be the closest to Jupiter and
(45:02):
the coolest thing about when it's close to Jupiter. It's
where the Juno spacecraft might be able to image it
and actually use some radio antenna to listen see if
three eye Atlas is doing anything fun and with those
radio waves, maybe it is. It makes me so excited.
It's spooky, but it's very exciting. It's very cool. Oh
(45:23):
there is one other thing that Obvious says in here.
I think it's just a little Halloween statement. He says,
is three I Atlas wearing a costume of a comet?
Or is it truly an icy rock of natural origin?
Maybe it's wearing a costume. You guys, you can go
further and further into this huge rabbit hole the piece
(45:47):
inspace dot com which you can also look up Awakening
an interstellar wanderer, surprising nickel detection and Comet three I Atlas.
This is super cool to me as a thought experiment, guys, because, uh,
these folks down in Chili at the very large telescope
early on noticed that three I Atlas was emitting nickel.
(46:08):
They saw the chemical signature of nickel, and essentially a
cloud of nickel in a you would call it an
atmosphere around this thing. It's not a true atmosphere, but
almost a cloud of nickel around it.
Speaker 4 (46:21):
As it's travel, it's giving it's giving nickel, yeah.
Speaker 2 (46:25):
Yeah, before it's even interacting enough with the heat from
the sun to create the tails that we talked about previously.
But this, this concept of a small medium of nickel
through which this thing is traveling through space. Guys, does
it remind you of any like version of travel that's
(46:49):
been thought about in sci fi? This concept of creating
a bubble that could be electrically charged or electromagnetically charged
in a way that the object is not actually moving
through space in the same way it's moving through this
medium that it's generating as it goes. So then mitigating gravity, Yeah,
(47:10):
so the medium itself is the thing that could potentially
even travel at near speed of light or speed of
light kind of thing, and then the vehicle inside is
just inside that. I don't that's I know that sounds crazy,
but it just made me think.
Speaker 4 (47:24):
Of that, And I want to clarify that statement. Mitigating
the effects of gravity, yes, rather than not actually mitigating
general gravity, but more so meaning that if there were
something inside it would be able to potentially survive some
(47:46):
otherwise damaging forces.
Speaker 2 (47:48):
Yes, and then we also have a little conversation about
using naturally occurring minerals and rocks to mitigate radiation forces.
And this concept of that Abby has that maybe there's
something inside the rock exterior. I don't know all of
it together, just it makes me. It makes a little
(48:10):
kid in me want to just jump around be like
aliens aliens.
Speaker 4 (48:14):
It makes me also think of especially just given recent
circumstances and this time of the year and the lovely
weather we're having, it reminds me of the dark forests.
So what if it's like a time capsule from a
civilization older than this solar system and it lands or
reveals some message and we ultimately are able to decode
it and it says ssh, they can hear you, or
(48:41):
it just says watch out or good luck yeah, or
or farritos or the future.
Speaker 3 (48:47):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (48:48):
I love the idea of an ancient, an ancient artifact
conveying a message. It's such a it's such an impressive
it's a beautiful flex you know. It's what the human
did with voyager, which is still out there somewhere. And
I keep thinking of, you know, the the idea like
(49:08):
what if some other civilization essentially sent out into the
ink their own kind of press junket or pitch pack
about themselves, because that's what the humans did. They're like, hey,
this is here's some music we like. We made this
out of gold. That's a big deal for us.
Speaker 6 (49:28):
Here's some math that we're into, and here are pictures
of what we look like naked.
Speaker 3 (49:33):
What are you up to?
Speaker 2 (49:34):
What are you guys doing?
Speaker 3 (49:37):
Do you guys want to hang out?
Speaker 4 (49:38):
Our schedule is pretty open unless we blow ourselves up.
Speaker 2 (49:43):
So I hope there's.
Speaker 3 (49:43):
Something like that.
Speaker 4 (49:44):
I think that idea of the time capsule or the
scrapbook of a civilization is neat even though you know,
obviously things like three Body Problem and Dark Forest theory
argue that the mission of any other civilization would be
classic game theory or prisoner's dilemma, and that they would
assume the safest thing to do would be to destroy you.
Speaker 2 (50:08):
Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:13):
With that, But.
Speaker 2 (50:15):
Yeah, here's the good thing. If three I Atlas, let's say,
weirdest case scenario, three at Atlas changes its trajectory and
slingshots itself directly towards Earth to intercept Earth at some point,
and that wouldn't be great. The good thing is there's
some people on the case. The International Asteroid Warning Network
(50:38):
is officially starting a campaign to observe the object as
much as possible and use basically its techniques to get
all of the asymmetric measurements, all the things that you
will use to track this object. They're going to use
that in tracking other potential threats of like asteroids, right
and things that we know will be threat at some
(51:00):
point to Earth. We just haven't seen the right one
yet that's going to actually impact Earth and cause some
kind of devastation the way the dinosaurs experienced, because that
is an inevitability. That's not a thing that could happen,
it's something that will happen. So at least we've got
some very intelligent human beings who know how to use
crazy sophisticated machinery to observe this relatively small thing out
(51:25):
there in the ink, and we'll be able to use
that information and those techniques to measure other ones to
protect us. Hopefully. It's a pretty cool campaign. You're allowed
to join in as a citizen. By the way. You
can look up the International Asteroid Warning Network and you
can download stuff you can join in, you can sign up,
you can even join on November tenth, just a couple
(51:47):
of days from now, a workshop that they're putting on,
which is pretty cool. So if you're into that kind
of stuff, guys, I think that might be it. There's
a weird thing that happened with some recis monkeys out
of two Lane University and the TWU Lane National Biomedical
Research Center and an overturned truck and a bunch of
(52:10):
racist monkeys that got out that at least according to
the stories on October twenty eighth, or that these monkeys
were infected with both COVID and hepatitis SEA.
Speaker 4 (52:20):
And anti Simmy in propaganda.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
I say, well, it was really weird because it was
the truck driver that was like, you, guys, sheriff, you
gotta get these things. They were super dangerous, they got
HEPCI in COVID, you gotta take them out and they're aggressive.
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Yes, officer, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (52:35):
They're dangerous, is what he said. So then the sheriff
to where I was like, oh, okay, we're on it.
Let's go monkey hunting. I guess in Mississippi. So that
it happened in Mississippi, by the way, So then they
rounded up most of them. There was still one at
large last time I saw the reporting on the twenty ninth.
But then twu Lane University came forward with the statement
(52:56):
and said, oh no, these were not dangerous at all.
They weren't in affected with anything. We were holding them
for another entity, is what they said. They belonged to
another entity and they weren't part of the research department
doing these scary things. Here's the full statement. Non Human
primates at the Tulane National Biomedical Research Center are provided
(53:19):
to other research organizations to advance scientific discovery. The primates
in question belong to another entity and are not infectious.
We are actively collaborating with local authorities and we'll send
a team of animal care experts to assist as needed. Yeah,
but anyway, just strange, right, truck crashes, potentially monkeys with
(53:39):
COVID get out, and then all this hubbub and then
everybody says, no, it's fine, everything's cool, no infectious monkeys,
but they end up getting put down anyway.
Speaker 3 (53:49):
I mean, I immediately think of the movie Outbreak.
Speaker 4 (53:52):
Yeah, yeah, I know, I also think of you know,
I have such a soft spot for underdogs, you know,
the cows that escape the farms. The last monkey here.
So man, whatever your name is, run free, get out there.
And I'm sorry that the humans said you had hepsi
in COVID.
Speaker 2 (54:13):
Yeah, it's not cool, man. Just one last thing you
can look up if you want to. You look up
CNN White House Fires Commission charged with advising the President
on design as the president pushes construction projects. The one
thing I noticed in this, and it's not a huge deal,
just look at the arch that is proposed to be
(54:35):
built there. Just look at it really closely, and then
go to Wikipedia or wherever not Grockipedia. Go to Wikipedia
and look at historical images of proposed buildings and let's
say the late mid to late nineteen thirties.
Speaker 3 (54:54):
Just gonna leave that one right there for it.
Speaker 2 (54:55):
Just look at it. It doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 3 (54:58):
Just look at it.
Speaker 4 (55:00):
And with that, we want to thank you for joining
us as we hurdle headlong toward the end of twenty
twenty five in the beginning of twenty twenty six, we
cannot wait to hear your thoughts. Thanks to everybody who's
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(56:56):
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laid off thirty thousand people, target Walmart ups are laying
people off. The concept of the K shaped economy is
real and maybe something we'll get to in a future episode,
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