The Insider's Guide to the Other Side

Have you ever felt you've encountered something beyond this mortal veil -- a spirit, a presence, something else? Would you consider yourself a psychic? Join the guys as they interview Julie Rieger and Brenda Villa, hosts of Insider's Guide To The Other Side, about their experiences in the world of psychics, their own personal journeys, advice for would-be psychics and more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Gradios How Stuff Works. Welcome back

(00:24):
to the show. My name is Matt, my name is all.
They call me Ben. We are joined as always with
our super producer Paul Mission Controlled Decade. Most importantly, you
are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff
they don't want you to know. Today, we are delving
into a concept that is going to be familiar to
many of our fellow listeners because it is a universal thing.

(00:49):
Like all human beings, regardless of who they are, where
they are in life, have at some point contemplated the
concept of the great beyond right? Why is what is
beyond this mortal veil? What is? Why? Is every culture
filled with familiar stories of spirits, non corporeal forces. The
concepts alone of being able to recognize our own mortality

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is one of the primary things that separates us from
all other organic life of which we know currently true. Yeah,
there's even an entire discipline dedicated to this thanatology. Uh this,
and there's a there's there are many ancient dusty homes.
We can read about this today, though we wanted to
take a very different tact as as you know, folks,

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we always are fans of going to the source of
some sort of knowledge whatt firsthand experience when possible, and
that's why we're very fortunate today Today we are joined
in our exploration beyond this mortal Veil with Julie Reagor
and Brenda Via, the host of one of our newest
peer podcast, Insider's Guide to the Other Side. Now you

(01:57):
may recognize Julie as the author of The Ghost Photographer
and Brenda as a well known practicing medium. Thank you
so much for joining us on the show today. Hey Ben,
I mean hey, they call you Ben. Hi, y'all. It's
great to be here. So that was in order. That
was Julie and then Brenda does everybody knows? So first

(02:19):
things first? Could could you all tell us a little
bit about your own personal journeys. Julie, this is something
that you speak about in your book The Ghost Photographer.
What what led you personally? Um? What inspired you perhaps
is a better word to begin this exploration of of

(02:39):
things that we would call things that we would call
beyond the pale beyond the mortal veil, you know it death,
But people died on they all died, and and I
was so profoundly sad. And I think that because of
that I to open up. I was a bit of

(03:00):
a skeptic, to be perfectly frank about all of these
witchy things. And I think that during well, because of this,
I had to shed, you know, everything I thought existed
or was to open up to something else. And once
I was able to do that, I let everything in.
I literally opened the door. And so mine was you know,

(03:24):
later in life. I mean I was like forty one.
When I I wasn't born. The only gift I was
born with was hand eye coordination. So I can play
mean golf game and I can win at Carney games
like nobody's business. But I wasn't born with a gift
of being able to communicate with the other side or
even thinking about the other side. And Brenda, what about you? Um, well, actually,

(03:46):
maybe we've jumped the gun here tell us tell us
what in Insider's Guide to the Other Side is what
tell us about the show. The show is real fun.
So the show is um we get to share our
experiences of what some people they don't believe in, but
they can't help but be curious about. Right, We're always

(04:08):
drawn to movies and books and stories of the unseen world,
and we're always curious about it. And the truth is,
if you've ever spoken to anyone who's lost someone they
adored or we're really connected to, or if you're you're
in that situation yourself where you've lost someone, you can
feel them and you may even tell yourself like, I'm

(04:30):
just making that up, or I just want them to
be there. I'm so desperate for their presence in my life.
I just create that experience. But the truth is everyone
has that experience, and it could be just a one time,
a one off, or that spirit is always their presence
is always there guiding you, even though they're not embodied anymore. Right,

(04:50):
They've moved on, they've passed on, they've died, however you
want to say it. So we have all had that experience.
So we just get to open up and share our
stories of the other side. I think for me the
show is, you know, I was I was able to
work through some really heavy things in my life. You know,

(05:11):
we all go through those those moments, those kind of
seasons if you will. And I had a really I had,
I'd have like a two year winter period and and
it was Brenda was the one who really taught me
and helped me to move out of it. And so
to me, the show is actually so everybody can experience Brenda.
So I men give the wisdom and to understand what

(05:35):
a lot of this is and and and to know
how to access it, to trust in who you are
and what you are, and to empower and if you
don't believe it, fine, go listen to something else. Um.
But it's it's it's it's like a an entertaining Well
I say entertaining because I think I'm money, but it's
an entertaining um uh, like school, right, because we talk

(06:01):
a lot on our show about earth. School is hard
and because that's what we're in. You know, being in
a body is hard, and so we want to make
it easier for people. So it's both entertaining and a
little teaching and storytelling woven in. So I have a
quick question about just the dynamic between you two and

(06:22):
how you kind of came to to meet one another. Um.
So you know it sounds to me, Julie, you were
sort of drawn to Brenda, like, what was that experience like?
And what kind of roles do each of you play
in two sides of this coin that that is your
show and your relationship. Really have you ever seen the
movie The Heat with Sandy Bullock and Melissa McCarthy. Yeah, okay,

(06:46):
that's us. I have an on Sandy. I'm the other one,
you know. I think, what's so far? We are in
so many ways an odd couple, but it's it's not
how we started. I mean, we really like our relationships
start it through very dear friends that we share. And
I met Brenda at the best time, which felt like

(07:09):
the worst time, which was this you know, very long winter,
and she just said, which I don't remember, she had
to remind me, um, that it doesn't have to be
this hard. And that's how it all began. It began
with those words, it doesn't have to be this hard.
Julie was a deep in deep, deep grief. And you
if you've been there, and it doesn't have to be

(07:32):
through losing someone. It can be through heartbreak or disappointment
or whatever challenge in earth school you know that got
you to the place where you're just buried in grieving
either a person or a dream or whatever it is.
You can't even see what's in front of you. You
can't see the gifts, you can't see options. You're just
so buried in that space of pain and loss and grief.

(07:54):
And so I was literally standing next to her, looking
at the friends who introduced us and saying, I was
staying behind her and saying, to our dear friend, Reuben,
is this something we can talk to her about? And
because Reuben and I have known each other for twenties
some years, and so I'm like, is she open? And
He's like, I don't know, because between Julian Ruben, they

(08:14):
had never gone through this territory before in their friendship,
so he didn't know if she would be open. And
the last thing you need when you're grieving is like
someone who says I'm a medium and I can help
you and everything's going to be fine. Like that's just
so rude, right, And so you just to know a medium,
working with a medium doesn't replace grieving. You still have

(08:36):
to grieve. What happens, though, is that you can begin
to heal um even further after you've gone through the
depths of the grieving, and says Okay, now what do
I need to know? How can I learn about the
other options than the one I know here on Earth? School?
And then I started to stalk her because I believe
that stalking is possibly the greatest compliment that you can

(08:57):
pay someone nice. So I started to stop her and
she can't get rid of me. I'm a little bit
like the clap or actually, okay, I guess called herpies. Now,
I don't know. My mom used to say that. She
used to use the chart to say, they're like the clap.
You can't ever get rid of them. You think they're gone,
but they keep coming back. Well, that's me too. In
Brenda's world, he was crazy. So she was my teacher

(09:20):
and I was her um student, and we still really,
I mean, we still kind of play that way to
be real, frank. And and then I brought her into
my world, and my world um is insane. And I
was the president, Chief Data Strategists and head of Media
twenty century Fox, possibly the longest corporate titles someone has

(09:40):
ever held. And right, that's a long title. I'm more
wowing at the position, but the title is great too.
Oh oh, I'm more I'm more awe and awe with them.
How many words I had to spell um because I
did grow up in Oklahoma and spelling is not are
is not. Like one of our guests, what was the

(10:02):
acronym we love those on this show. Oh oh wow,
I don't know, I think I ever did that. Okay,
we'll work on that later. Acronym. We'll get you on that. UM.
And so I so I brought Brendan to into my world,
and so our world's kind of you know, it's funny
because we are so incredibly different in so many ways,

(10:24):
but our heart is in the exact same place. And
I think that that's what allows us to do the show,
because we might go at things from a different way.
And I think that, you know, Brenda, Brenda's reminded how
contrarian I am UM every day of her life. And
it's very entertaining. Well right, you know, it makes you

(10:44):
think or not, it makes you frustrated, but um in
laugh a lot. But I think that because our hearts
in the same place, and because what we want to
do in this world, and I think Brenda's always want
to do this in her life and this is more
of a new thing for me, which is to serve
right is to help and to and if part of
that is telling our stories and explaining things to people,

(11:06):
um fearlessly, then that's that's what we set out to do.
And this draws us immediately to uh, some things that
I think are on on the minds of our fellow
listeners today. We often hear words like psychic thrown around,
you know, in any any number of um, any any

(11:28):
number of conversations. We see it in fiction, we see
it in documentaries. Uh it's it's a word that is
very well known to people, but it also uh it
also could benefit from definition. One of the questions that
the three of us were wondering immediately when we were

(11:49):
doing some some pre digging into into this conversation is
we were wondering, if you could tell us the stories
of your earliest, for lack of a better word, your
earliest psychic experience, or is there is there one that
stands out in your mind as particularly impactful, as something

(12:10):
you know that was that was a pivot point in
your personal life, And we would love to hear about that, uh,
in from from a first hand perspective. So Ben, I'm
going to kick that one to Brenda, but really quickly
I just want to say is that I think one
of the problems that we have with the words psychic
is that it's so closely related, like a kissing cousin

(12:30):
to the word psychotic. And I'm not kidding. I actually
think there's a problem. I think there's an association with
it and uh and I think that I think that
gets us in trouble sometimes. So let's make up new words.
You guys like to do stuff like that. It's true,
it's true, and that's I think that's something that we
have dealt with two on on our end in our

(12:52):
own explorations, because we have discovered, you know, words and
phrases can be so powerful for good or for ill,
and often, you know, we forget as a species to
do to do a real critical check and examination where
we hear words get thrown around. So what do you say, guys,

(13:13):
let's let's think of let's let's think of some alternative
to that as we continue today. Well, I'm going to
jump in I'm going to jump in here and say,
you guys, save save you some some footage here. So
the technical definition of the word psychic means someone who
is able to pick up information from the etheric layer

(13:35):
in the energy field, and the etheric layers the first layer,
so it's the most dense layer. It's a light blue grid.
It's supercharged. It carries all kinds of information. And that
is the definition of a psychic versus a medium, which
I believe is where we were going next, um and
that as psychic is someone who works more specifically with

(13:58):
a guide or a portal or something some energy source
on the other side, where you don't just download information
without a firewall, but there's some sort of energetic support
from the other side that says we're going to work
specifically through this portal. So that's a medium. Is that
helpful or does that other questions? It was helpful for

(14:21):
me if that counts. I'm just gonna say that was
a really good friend and that really helped me out
a lot, because it's just I went, oh my god,
I just organized all of my stories into two categories. Yes,
that's and that's the difference. Let's pause for a moment
here and we'll be back after a word from our sponsor.

(14:44):
I want to jump into this. Okay, we got a portal.
There's a portal working. Now, there is a portal of
the is the portal something that is opened up from
either side or is it a you know, you need
to have that one to one connection with someone with
some other part beyond the veil in order to make

(15:06):
that connection, or could you just open one? So, first
of all, it is my experience moving through the world
that everyone is born psychic. Everyone has one woo woo
story somewhere buried in their past, and all you have
to do is mentioned that you're a psychic, and they
come flying forward to tell you, Oh my god, did
I tell you what happened? Once? Did I ever tell
you this? You're the only person I've ever told this

(15:27):
to write. So I'm telling you everyone has a story
where they had a breakthrough from the other side. Now
that doesn't necessarily mean that a portal has been opened,
but they have some experience, whether it was a dream,
whether it was reality, whether it saved someone's life, like,
these are things that we hear about every day from people.
So that's what I want to say. So let's just

(15:49):
go straight out. Everyone is born psychic, whether or not.
You know, we all play at the you know, Kobe
Bryant level of psychic nous. That's that's you know, in
individual practice and application and skill sets. So that's you know,
just out of the gate. So, um, can anyone open
a portal? Yes, my elf? Would you like to share

(16:10):
your story of your portal? Embarrassed me, made me confess
about what a dumbass I am. Hi, hi audience, I'm
Julie the dumbass. That's what she just did me. I'm fine,
I'm super super fancy, and I opened my own portal.
That's what I did. I did. I did open a portal.
I am, I am. But here's the beauty that once

(16:32):
you do it and you don't die from it or
get sucked in like poulter Geist. Um, you then can
you then can identify them and learn how to close them. Okay,
So I'll try to make it brief ish, because brief
is not not in my vocab I think, or my
at least my behavior. So my wife Suzanne wanted to
She put all these bird feeders around our house and

(16:53):
no birds were coming, and so, you know, like a dumbass,
I um, I soaked this so stupid. Oh my god,
saying out loud it makes you feel really dumb. I
soaked clear quarts points and animal spirit guide oil that
I bought on Etsy. Go ahead, have fun with that
one right now, clearer quartz crystals and animal spirit oil

(17:18):
that I bought on Etsy because you love Suzanne so much,
you want it, because there was some of that. I
wanted to bring her birds. My only question is if
you purchased them from some kind of MLM scheme, if
you if you went to like a local courts dealer,
I'm totally fine with it. Or if you got your oils,
you know, somewhere locally and it wasn't were not locally sourced.

(17:41):
They were not. They were not locally sourced. No, no,
they were not. I was living in California, but not
locally sourced. So um, so I put it out by
the bird feeders and then I'm guys, I'm not kidding, Like,
within twenty four hours, I think they lifted our home.
There were so many birds or hundreds of them around
our house, and Suzanne's all happen. I'm like, yes, okay.

(18:02):
Then we go on a trip, well come home, um,
I take a we get home and we see on
our kitchen window this I call it a bird stain,
but it's it's uh, it's like the powder and the oil.
When a bird that a bird has carries with them
that left like this mark, and you could see like
the beak of this bird and this wings had the wingspan.

(18:26):
And I looked outside and there was no bird carcass,
and I'm like, well, this is really strange. So I
sent a picture of it to Brenda, because anything weird
in the world. It's like, hey, brand, what's this? Because
remember I'm a stalker. And what did you say? True?
I said, all true, It's all true. Yeah, and you're
welcome because it's a compliment. So I sent her a
picture and the text I get back was open your eyes,

(18:49):
my elf, you have spooks. Now if somebody sent you
that text, you'd be like what. So I look at
the picture closer and yeah, she was right. There were
ghosts in my photographs. And I had opened a portal
in my backyard and it was sending all sorts of

(19:10):
stuff into my backyard where I ended up taking. I mean,
I wrote the book The Ghost Photographer, and that is me.
And because I am the Ghost Photographers, because I'm also
M A D D N O C D. And any
you like acronyms, you give me any um emotional disorder,
mental destroy, I probably have it at this point. But
I took nine thousand pictures of ghosts and I think

(19:31):
they were all came from this portal that I opened
in my backyard, and you and believe the stuff that
came through. So yeah, you can open portals. You can.
You can do it accidentally or you're trying to make
your wife happy. So all lesbians out there, you don't
have to open a portal make your wife happy, but
it does make them happy and attempt for you straight guys,

(19:54):
hey might work. So so ostensibly it was the placement
of the crystals, the like Brenda just going to you, like,
what in your mind gridded it. I created a grid
by accident. I didn't know I was creating a grid.
But I created a grid, is what I did that
opened it up. But brand, if you have some other
insight that you haven't told me that you want to
reveal on the show, you rock on, sister, No, no, no no,

(20:17):
I mean what I was just gonna say. So, there
are a couple of things there, right, So she activated
this grid and it could have been from the oils,
it could have been from the crystals. It could also
be from her heart, like literally she wanted to delight
her wife, right, which is this beautiful love is a
very high frequency, so that alone could have done it.
The gift in all this was that her photograph caught

(20:38):
the bird imprint on the window, and that's where the
spirits were like, hey, because spirits will use birds oftentimes
to deliver messages, and so that's what she caught. And
all I want to add, and this is your welcome,
Suzanne exactly. This reminds me of of a story that
I think I've told on the podcast before, but this
is a good kind of in road to our next question.

(20:59):
When I was in like late high school, I was
dating a girl who was in early college and I
would go see her in college and we sat in
the car together in between her classes sometimes, and a
mutual friend of ours had died in a car accident
and we were both understandably very sad and upset about this.
And so I get to her in her car where

(21:19):
she was waiting on me, and it was a cold evening,
um the windows were all fogged up, and I get
in the car and she's crying, and I'm like, what's
what's going on? And so she blows on the inside
of her windshield and our friends signature was on the
inside of the windshield, and so in my mind at
that moment, I'm like, this is a thing. This is

(21:40):
a experience I'm having where someone is reaching out from
the other side and that is is unequivocally what I'm
experiencing right now, And she felt the same way. A
little time went by and I realized they rode together constantly.
It's the kind of thing that like, you know, twenty
year old nineteen year old girls do, is write their
names on the inside of windshields, and like condensation and

(22:03):
you have like oils on your fingers and that stuff
stuck around. So I kind of was able to explain
it away, and what started off as kind of a
really powerful spiritual moment kind of became my evidence that
stuff like that isn't really a thing. Um, I just
I don't know, I just wanted to bring that up,
like in terms of people being skeptical of this stuff

(22:24):
and you know, seeing an event like that and maybe
misinterpreting it. Um, you know, I don't know, how does
that figure into the way you you deal with folks
that are maybe you know, looking for something, looking to
understand these kinds of things and explain things, but maybe
you know, keep explaining it away to themselves as as
I did. I mean, this is this is the perfect
example of how things are in front of us, and

(22:47):
we can accept them and we can explain them away.
It's whatever you're comfortable with. And I can also offer
you that both can be true. It could be at
one time that person wrote their name on the inside
of they know, But how many years later, how many
months later, how many weeks later, is that's still going
to be there? I mean, you just like, there's all
kinds of reasons why it wouldn't be there, and there's

(23:08):
all kinds of reasons why I wouldn't be there. What's possible?
And how can you hold that? I I think you know,
we're talking about the portal. Still in my mind, we're
still talking about the portal or portals um between the
connection right, the place to get from one side essentially
of the mortal, the mortal side where we all exist,

(23:30):
the only thing that I've ever known and many of
us listening to the other side that is possibly either
you know, you call it what you will, the afterlife,
the eternity, the the the ever flowing river um, whatever,
it is when you create a portal like that and
you were able to physically take photographs of ghosts or

(23:50):
you know, spirits at least um, and we're we're calling
them ghosts in in at least in the story here. Um,
is that what you both leave you saw, like, do
you believe that it is it is human beings that
were alive that are no longer alive that you were
able to photograph or do you think it was some
other kind of spiritual energy, some kind of non human thing? Yeah,

(24:13):
I mean, are you like, how certain are you that
that's what it is? And was, Well, it's all of
the above. So that's the thing. It's like, that's where
I what I learned early on is that, um, when
when people expect when you talk about anything from the
other side, they all a want it to be someone
that they know or love. So that's where we all

(24:35):
go first, which is did they you know, have a
human body? There are so I mean, it gets so
complicated and Brennan can explain this better than me, but
it um, uh, there are so many energies that have
never been in a human body because we all think
everything so physical, right and and and now I start
with the energetic space, then I go to the physical

(24:57):
versus starting physical then going to the energy addict because
there are so um you know, we have spirit guides
that are with us from the time we're born. And
and I have a story actually how mine. I wouldn't
be sitting here if it actually wasn't for mine. And
his name is Jacob, so I always trying to give
him a call out whenever possible. Um that that spirits

(25:19):
like Jacob, I've never been in a human body. So
there's there are energy, spirits, there are things. And part
of what we want to do with the show is
so for people to be so open that there's so
much more out there than what you've ever seen. You know,
you may have felt them but not seeing They may
have heard them but not seeing them. Um, you may
have gotten like a connection in your body to something

(25:40):
but you can't see it. Doesn't mean it's not real
and doesn't mean it hasn't that that it wasn't physical before,
because not everything powerful in the world has been in
a body before. Does that make sense? It doesn't. It
brings me to It brings me to something else that
I thought would be of interest, and in especially with

(26:02):
this show. Recent polls indicate that people around the world
are you know, while we always hear things about people
becoming increasingly secular in different societies, but in step with that,
there seems to be a maybe a renaissance of sorts

(26:23):
or some growth in at least publicly stated belief in
these kind of um, these let's just call them non
corporeal entities. Is how one one statistic or one pole
put it. Recently, you GOV asked UH residents of the
US about their belief in various what they called paranormal entities,

(26:46):
which is also possibly a loaded word, And what they
found was that nowadays, as of this year, we're looking
at something like forty five per cent of people in
America believe not just in the concept of spirits that
were formerly human, but in things that never occupied, as

(27:08):
you said, Julie, a physical body. This could be something
they call a demon maybe depending on their their framework
that they were brought up in, or they might call
it an angelic or divine being. And I wanted to
ask you do you do you too feel that there
is uh some kind of rise in in this these

(27:31):
publicly stated beliefs nowadays or is it just an error
of statistics, or is it just something that's always been
true that people are more comfortable talking about in public.
I mean, what would your reaction be to these sorts
of things that do seem to indicate arise in this
sort of belief. I think that people are more comfortable

(27:52):
speaking of it. I think the advent of more access,
whether it's social media or just more television channels or
whatever it is, but people really have experiences. Their experiences
a firm from them for them. If you ask people
specifically if you believe in angels, the number doubles, right,

(28:12):
it's it's really high. So I think, um, And again,
all you have to do is say, oh, I'm a
spiritual person, and people come flying at you with their
stories and the examples that people share of people who
are embodied and then not just like that, like they're gone,
where they came in, saved something and disappeared in in

(28:35):
a breath, and this these stories happened over and over
and over. And these aren't like, oh, my grandmother once
had a friend who this is like this happened to me.
So these are first person stories, and they're spectacular and
miraculous and intense, and you can tell the authenticity people
have as they embody the story and they share it

(28:57):
with you. So I mean, I've just heard so many
stories and and they haven't all been angelic, but they've
all been very real and very powerful, and I think
people are just more comfortable sharing it. And I think,
just to add to that, Ben and Brenda, that I
think that the millennials are changing everything. And I think

(29:17):
what's so interesting is that there is a listen, there's
a there's are I'm a nerd kind of like your been.
I like to read stuff and take it in. And
I just complimented you by calling you a nerd. By
the way, You're welcome and uh and and so I've
done a lot of reading on this myself. And there
was this really great article about all the things that

(29:37):
millennials are killing. Um, they're killing golf, they're killing beer,
these things that they don't consume or places they don't
go anymore. And one of the things that they're also
changing is organized religion. And I think what has happened
with the with the millennial audience is that they don't
buy into dogma the way that their predecessors have, right

(30:00):
the boomers, And if I I just want to say
Okay Boomer out loud because I just love what they're
doing that okay Boomer um and being from and being
from Oklahoma, it was Boomer sooner and so it's just
like makes my heart explode. But um, so, I don't
think they're I don't think they're the generation of dog
I think they're the opposite. I think they reject dogma,

(30:21):
and I think that, but they're still looking for something bigger, right,
and spirituality is that thing for them. Um their way
into crystals, um, their way into meditation, their way into yoga,
they're into what we would once called alternative that are
that feeling far more mainstream. So I think there is

(30:41):
a shift in our modern society because all these things
that that they're doing, they're not new. They've been around
for thousands of years, and it's just that there is
a modern you can call it a renaissance of it,
but again it's not new. But I think they're rejecting
so much of the st ricked dogma, the the you know,

(31:04):
with all due respect to the three guys on the line,
but there are a lot of the women are rejecting
what the men are trying to tell them. To believe,
which is a lot of what religion has done. I
hope I'm pissing people off right now. You're gonna get
a lot of emails, um um. But but I believe
that's what's happening, is that there's an opening to that,
and I think you'll also see it from women in general,
because women, because women, you know, listen, out of we're

(31:26):
number two in this out of two, you know, we
are physically weaker. Um, that's the only place I think,
actually we're weaker. Unless you're gonna arm wrestle man, I'll
probably kick your ass. But aside from that, you know
we're we're we are number two. We we don't rule
the world. And so women are looking for things to
give them more strength. And the way they can find
strength is through energy. And there's so much more power

(31:48):
in that actually than there is physical strength. And so
I see a lot of women women moving in that direction.
I believe for that reason, I think you'll see men
who um have experienced thing right, you know, things, whether
it's supernatural, paranormal spirit or whatever you want to call it, um,
start moving that direction because they see the peace in it.
So there's a peacefulness to it for them. That's just

(32:11):
my assessment today. It might change tomorrow well, and just
from a historic standpoint, traditionally this has been women's work
right to be multidimensional in how they experienced the world,
and women's intuition was something that was you know, one
of the one of their superpowers, and in a world

(32:32):
where they didn't participate in commons commerce and weren't physically
as strong as men, but they had this other strength.
And for you know, eons, this has been honored and
as well as used to dismiss them, right, So it
was both a double edged sword or whiches were burned
at the stake. They were scared and so like I

(32:57):
had women who will come to me for guidance, particularly
going through divorce, and they're like, I have to pay
you cash because I can't have any money. Trail that says,
I came into consult psychic during my divorce so that
it won't be used against me and take my children
away accepting bitcoin. I think it's a really interesting point

(33:18):
because very examptly, I work on a separate podcast called
Murder in Oregon, and there is a it's a true
crime story about police corruption in prisons in in the
state of Oregon, and thank you so much, thank you.
But one of the main players in the story, um
is a gentleman whose brother was killed, who was the
head of corrections in Oregon, and there's a story that

(33:40):
his brother tells about how he saw a psychic and
how the psychic basically gave him information that led him
to some useful things that he found out, which was
a they had somebody in custody. The psychic gave him
the approximation of the person's name, etcetera. And you know,
wearing a producer hat, I wanted to be a full

(34:00):
about not leaning too heavily on that, just because you know,
we're trying to make a show that appeals to as
many people as possible, and I kind of know there's
a stigma around that. And sure enough, so many reviews
of the show saying love the show, love the brothers,
hate the psychic story, and it's genuinely a story this
gentleman chose to tell. He believes in We're not telling

(34:22):
anybody what to believe. And there was this immediate backlash
as in saying like stay in your lane, don't let
these two things cross. There's no room for this concept
in a straightforward criminal murder investigation. But again on our show,
where we try to stay open minded about all of
these things and take a critical thinking approach to this
kind of stuff, We've absolutely investigated government programs that have

(34:44):
used mediums and spiritualists and psychics to glean some pretty
relevant information, whether it's about secret sites. UM. We did
an interview with the guy named Russell targ about a program.
His book was called Third Eye Spies, about a program
that he it out of Stanford that genuinely created a
program for the government that could quote unquote teach people

(35:06):
to be psychic. Show on that and I found him
to be very credible, you know, me being kind of
a skeptic about this, like I was saying earlier, based
on my story, I really and and you know, I'm
not saying that I don't find you guys to be credible,
but talking to him and the scientific way that he
approached it, it did something for me that I hadn't

(35:30):
really experienced, and I was a little more on board
than I maybe had been previously. But you know, it's
still there is that stigma, and I'm wondering how you
you you deal with that? UM, I mean, obviously, you know,
you can't let every little critique derail your entire way
of thinking. But it has to be something that you
contend with on some level all the time. And you

(35:50):
know what, you don't have to believe, and you don't
even have to think were credible, because that's the beauty
is that it's it's it's it's your choice. You get
to choose, and we don't care either way. And I
will tell you something about the skepticism. I don't know
about you, but I am a subscriber to UM. I
think it's called sket skeptical, Yeah, skept something, skeptic, inquirer,

(36:12):
whatever the hell it's called. My alf has a lot
of time on our hands. Well, and I'm not good
with names. It's it's terrible, but it's but you you
know what I'm talking about. So I actually read that
stuff just so I can understand the other perspective right
the other side. That's a little plug, thanks, UM. So,

(36:34):
so I understand why why you're saying that what you're saying, UM,
And I think that we all will believe when we're ready.
You don't have to at any point in time. And
so I've had people come after me about this. I mean,
I was on when I was on the road show
for my book, I was on a radio tour and
there were callings. I was on this show for two hours,

(36:56):
and all these callings and these guys and there were guys,
in all fairness to your gym under that we're wanting
to try to discredit me all these kinds of things.
And my response was, you're not required to believe. You're
just you're not. And I'm not here to sell it,
because that's the other thing. We're not here to sell
this to anyone. We don't need you to believe this

(37:18):
is actually makes your life better if you do, and
you know our opinion, but you're not required. And that's
kind of the end to be perfectly on, I mean
from my point of view, because I'm not. I'm not
because this we're not a religion. We're not trying to
take this country to country and convert. That is not
what we are. We're just the opposite world domination. That's

(37:38):
the world, right, it's it's the Julian Brenda's show, World
Domination religion. We have some kool aid here for you
to drink. There's no cool laid. We have no kool aid,
because you get to choose if you want to to
believe or not, but not to believe. And quite frankly,
I mean we have chosen working as a medium can

(38:00):
be very intense work. You're working with people in the
most vulnerable you know, aspect of life emotionally, and you know,
so it can be very serious. And we've actually chosen
to keep the tone light and you know not and
not without you know, weight to it, but to invite people,

(38:22):
to make people more comfortable, to let them come in
and find their own way with with the topic and
not try and force anything. Really, and let's pause here
for a moment and hear a word from our sponsor.
This leads us to something that I think is very

(38:44):
close to, uh, the heart of the current thread here,
which is that I have heard, I've heard pretty often
from my my friends who are deeper in this sphere
than I that I have ever been, that there are
a ton of misconceptions that the average person might hold

(39:05):
when they think of this sort of communication, or they
think of the afterlife or the term you used, Brenda,
that I especially appreciated the unseen world. What do you
all see as some of the more common misconceptions that
people hold when they think about this stuff. The worst,
I think, the worst misconception that I have come across,

(39:26):
and it it blindsided me. And I'm usually pretty aware
of these things, and this one came out of nowhere,
and I feel like it almost knocked me over because
of the person who was expressing it to me. But
it was a it's a close friend of mine here
in Los Angeles. And he said to me, He's like,
you know, my wife is really concerned about my relationship

(39:47):
with you. I'm like, well, what what I said? I'm
a lesbian and I totally missed the mark nice. I
usually can get around with that and that was such
a good hall pass with guys. And he's like, no,
you know, she really, you know, um thinks that you
have a connection to the devil because you have these powers.

(40:10):
And I looked at him brokenhearted. To be perfectly honest,
I'm like she does. He's like, yeah, I go well,
and I sat there for a second. I said, you
know what, I go do me a favor. Let her
know that I very much believe in God and godly woman.
I just don't go to church, but I very much

(40:31):
believe in in that and there were the archetype of
and I said, because ask her, where does she think
I got these powers from? I said, because I only
use them for good? And he goes, oh, and so
he went and told her and we're all good now. Umna,
she probably has an issue that I'm lesbian. But that's
a whole another story, is a whole other podcast. Things

(40:51):
they don't want you to know. Well, guess what they
don't want you to know that I'm elisabean. Um So
I think the whole being demand it is probably the
thing that upsets me the most because or that I
hear that is shifts me because I I people brend
us specifically myself and others like us. I don't know

(41:13):
very many people are actually anybody that have come across
that ever uses their powers for evil. They only use
them for good? So how could that come from a
bad place? And that's probably the thing that the misconception
that I get that is probably the most upsetting. And
I get called a witch, but that's a compliment. Yeah,
I was gonna ask, are we getting into like witchcraft?

(41:34):
Like are we getting into wicco? Where? How would you
this is? You boys and your labels I just I apologize.
I I just it helps our listeners kind of understand
like kind of where where we're lying. We've we've covered
witchcraft several times, um a lot in the in the past,

(41:55):
so we we've kind of gone over some of the
you know, the left hand right hand path, like there
our differences if you're you know, if you're speaking about witchcraft,
whether you use your powers for what would be considered
by an objective power as good or evil and perhaps
not possibly objective, but just yeah, what what do you
tell me? More a couple of things so I don't

(42:16):
get asked if I'm you know, working for the dark
side straight up like like Julie did. Or I'm sure
I have family members who are playing praying for my
soul and I'm good with that, no harm, no file,
I'm sorry. I know her family, so that was funny
to make. But um, but what I would say is
that um wiccan to be to be practicing. Wicca is

(42:42):
a religion, so it has its own dogma. Now, because
of my name Brenda, I often get called Brenda the
good Witch, but I am not a witch. I don't
practice Wiccan. I do get called Brenda the good Witch.
A lot, so you know, it's done playfully, it's done
hopefully in the honoring way. Um. But it's that's about
the closest that I come other than honoring the nature

(43:04):
spirits just in the world and the energy they bring
in support us. But other than that, we are not wicked.
I am not wicked. So I'll talk for me. Well,
the Wizard of Oz is a classically great film, so
I would take that as a compliment myself. Can I
just show them a really fast I wanted to ask
a couple of these questions. So I just want to

(43:24):
know if you were too describe what the afterlife is?
How how would you describe it? Or the the other side, Like, um,
I want our listeners to be able to imagine it
like paint a paint a picture in their minds. What
is the afterlife? Well, let me just jump in here
for a minute, um, just to you know, most people,

(43:48):
like some phrases I hear all the time is I'll
sleep when I'm dead. Right, I'm like, that's not how
it works. We do not. We actually have a lot
of work to do. On the other side, we have
to integrate. Right again, this is where part of my
my approach that Earth school is hard comes from knowing
that we come to this you know, embodied phase of

(44:11):
our spiritual life to learn lessons, to um expand our
experience and understanding of our soul, and to contribute to
the divine's expansion. Like that's why we come, which means
when we're done on this phase of our you know, plan,
our soul expanding plan, when we go back, we integrate,
We integrate, we learned the lessons deeply, we understand more fully,

(44:34):
we review our karmic lessons because you know, we are
either creating dharma or karma blessings or more lessons. And
then you know, so the next time we come, we're ready.
You know, those lessons are teaed up and those blessings
are teaed up for us to activate when we get here.
So when we get to the other side, so hopefully
that now there's a bit of a long explanation, but
when we get to the other side, there's lots of

(44:56):
support spirits, there's lots of reviewing and understanding. And it's
not just this world, it's other It's an intergalactic experience.
As I've been told, in the limited way I can
understand it because in this form, I'm still human, but
I've had insights into what it what unfolds on the
other side, Like I can't wait to go to Neptune

(45:17):
when I'm dead, Like that's like the first place I wanted.
I have a I have a bucket list for when
I'm dead. Most people have from when they're alive. I
have a bucket list for when I'm dead. And Neptune
is number one, Pluto's number two, Saturn's number three. If
you all really want to know, absolute Moon, no Mercury, no,
I like that. I want the outer planets. I can't
wait to go hang out on those. Honestly, it's it

(45:39):
sounds very entertaining and interesting. I'm just you know, I
think it is one of those This is one of
those areas where I find myself being a little more
skeptical when I generally wouldn't be. And I'm trying. I
don't want to play into the you know, the gender
stereotypes that that you're kind of speaking about. There, the
the religious or I'm going to jump in so I'm

(46:02):
gonna help you. I I think I can help you
out with this if you can buy into the concept
that we are a spirit having a human experience. Right,
So when our human body, um it dies, it no
longer works. We leave our body and spirit form. And
when we leave our body in spirit form, we are

(46:24):
energy because everything is energy. And then when we cross over,
when Brenda talks about there are other things for us
to learn, is you know there are um there's there's
healing that has to happen. Like my mother died of
Alzheimer's and she had Alzheimer's for ten years, so when
she crossed over, it took her a while to figure
out how to operate as just a spirit and not
that broken body. When the first things that happens to

(46:46):
us when we cross over a cross out of our
body into this the fully into only the spiritual world,
is that there is a life review that happens for us.
But it's an interesting life review because you we are
put into the position of feeling what we made other
people feel in this life. I have a friend of

(47:07):
mine um who works in the entertainment industry, who actually
had a near death experience and what that when he
started the life review before he came back, what he
experienced was how mean he was to Valets. Now that
is the one that's a one percent or problem. But

(47:27):
but he felt how rude he was right UM, and
and it actually profoundly changed him in this world because
he's one of the most gentle, kindest humans that I
know because he experienced that how he made other people feel.
So that's kind of step one that happens, is that
you gotta learn your lessons. So once you get going
and start cruising through life or cruising through death, life

(47:50):
is UM, then you get to start choosing things. Like
my mother comes to me UM sometimes I don't want
to say all the time, but we have a nice
relationship ship UM on the other side, and and there
are times I've seen her and she comes to me
on how she wants me to see her. She's come
to me UM looking like the younger version of herself

(48:15):
before I was ever even born. So she had long
hair and never knew my mother with long hair. UM.
I saw her one time and she had like a
hundred cats because she was kind of cat lady. I mean,
that's a confession I really don't want to put, but
I'm gonna go ahead and say she's a cat lady.
She loved cats, and there was like a hundred cats
like that were jumping and when she was the happiest

(48:35):
I had seen her on the other side because she
chose to go spend time there. So we get to
go choose. So when you say give people, give your listeners,
paint them a picture, Well, the thing is, there are
so many pictures. There's not numbers that exist in our
mathematical order that can give you the number of painted

(48:58):
objects that how people could how they are on the
other side because they get to create that right, because
we still live in the physical world. And I think
that's where some complication happens. But I will tell you
when I think a question, what what can help people
maybe paint a picture? Is what actually Brendan, I see
when we talked to um loved ones that have crossed over.

(49:19):
So I had a friend again in the entertainment industry
that came to me after my book came out, and
she wanted to have dinner and and Um, I agreed
to have dinner, and and so she's talking that she
wanted to Actually she wanted her I think her father
to come through. Well that's not who came through. So
so point number one is that you may ask for
somebody to come through but it's up to them and
I'm not in charge of that. So like, whoever comes

(49:41):
through comes through. But I see this woman and I
start describing this woman, and this is actually a friend
of hers that that had died. So I described her
to the tea of this woman that I saw, and
we get into it. But what was the interesting part
of it was I looked at my friend and I said, dor,
I said, did your friend have a boom job? And
she looked at me. She goes no, And she was

(50:03):
why And I said, because she's flashing me her boobs.
I said, I you know, I'm still a little kind
of new with this, right. It hasn't been my life long,
uh pursuit, but I've never had a spirit flashed me
their boobs. And I said, and now I and now
I cannot and see it. And uh so She's like, no,
she didn't. So, of course, as someone who was a
bit more of a newbie than somebody like Brenda who

(50:24):
has like her pH d. In this, I'm like in
second grade, Um, I get insecure about I'm like, well, okay,
well I'm just telling you this is what I see.
So the next day I get an email from her
because she reached out to her friend's husband and who
confirmed that she had actually had a boob job. And um,
so they come up, they show up literally how they
choose to. And for some reason, this woman flashed me

(50:47):
her boobs from the other side. And you guys are
all like, oh man, I want to be a psychic. Now. Um,
that's a whole new business. By the way, Okay, I
got totally distracted. But so so we see different thing
you say, show up different ways, Like I'll see people
like they'll show me food, they'll show me objects, they'll
um some things look like a video, some things are
a picture. Sometimes I can feel something smells, taste, like

(51:10):
we just get little bits at least me again as
a second grader and the mediumship world. Um, but I
think that's more interesting to people is just to know
how we we see them brand you want to add
to that. That was great. I think that was Oh
my god, I just want to pause. You've never said
that relationship. It's a little different. You know, you answered

(51:35):
a little different questions, which is how do they show up? Um,
which is different than you know, how what's the other side,
Like it's it's a variation of theme. But it's it
was beautiful well, and you kind of answered my next
statement slash question in that answering there, and it's I'm
wanting to be very honest here, and I do not

(51:56):
think this the following is possible, but I wish it were.
And this is why I'm asking you. I UM, I'm
going through things in my life right now that I
could very UM. It would be wonderful if I could
commune with my grandfather who helped me through times of
my life that were difficult in the past. But he

(52:18):
has been gone since and I haven't been able to
do that, UM, And I very much wish that I could,
but I do not believe it as possible. Just I'm
I'm asking it, like, what could I do if I
wanted to at least increase my chances in being able
to maybe communicate with him again? Just a couple thoughts, UM,

(52:42):
And the first thing I would ask if you have
a meditation practice at all? Yes, I do, okay, great, UM,
and well done. So in your meditation practice, I would
just offer, um, like a deep invitation that says, please
let me experience you in some way, like just create
an invitation from heart to heart and then be unattached

(53:05):
of how that shows up, but I would that that
would be my practice for forty days is just remember
when to include that invitation as part of your meditation practice.
The second thing is I would extend that invitation as
you go to bed each night, and you can even
take a few minutes to even write to him and say,
at this time, when I'm in deep transition and I'm

(53:27):
calling upon your wisdom, I imagine these are the things
you would remind me of. Please show up and remind
me what I can't remember right now because you've already
given me everything that I need, but right now I
need more. And that's that's beautiful and I wow, okay,

(53:48):
you'll have to update us, Matt, And uh, well, I
mean and I you know, I say that in a
personal a very subjective thing, but I imagine that a
lot of people listening could identify with someone in their
life like kind of as we were speaking earlier, that
they could really use that communication with you. Were you
were very clear that when you do open apport or
you never really know what you're gonna get right um

(54:12):
or who's going to be around, or who you're gonna
end up speaking with. But that, Uh, that's a great
I think that's a great idea, just because it doesn't
matter what you believe. But if you open yourself in
the way you just described to someone else, even if
it's just yourself reminding yourself of the words of that

(54:32):
lost love one, you may still have the same effect.
You know, and I've always thought of I mean my
personal I guess spiritual you know, um code, I guess
for lack of a better word, is that everything is
kind of remnants of information and memories. And oftentimes when
we uh think we're experiencing something from the other side

(54:54):
or something like a ghost or you know, a loved
one speaking to us. To me, it's just like everything's information.
And I know that sort it was counted to what
you're saying, and that everything is his spirit and his energy.
But I guess energy is is kind of information. So
to me, like that is a big part of the
way I look at it. Even like my story about
the inside of the windshield of signature, that's left over information,

(55:14):
that's a fragment of something that was left behind, whether physically,
and it's still there because only a week's time has
passed since this person died. Um or maybe it is
something like what you're describing, But I don't know that
one is more or less valid than the other. And
I understand when people talk about how places where horrible
things have happened, where lots of you know, traumatic things

(55:36):
have happened, and those are like very rich with uh
disturbing kind of energy or spirits or to me it's
memories or information kind of that like lingers in a
place where lots of you know, traumatic things have happened.
So I know I'm rambling. Yeah, good, I just I
couldn't agree more. And I it was very specific with

(55:56):
the invitation, right, that that is launching off the freak
and sees of love, and love is energy and it's
never destroyed. Right, you can't destroy energy. And so if
you launch that invitation, the invocation from your heart, it's
going to secure the frequency in which it comes back

(56:17):
because a low a low frequency can't exist in the
space of a high frequency. Right, The high frequency will
always dominate. And love is a higher frequency than it's
the highest frequency. So go ahead, I was to say,
And just to add that for those that that try
and they struggle or they are skeptical and they want
to give it a world and they just can't get there. Um,

(56:40):
call somebody like Brenda or or reach out and schedule
appointment with Brenda, because that's well, that's how I got started,
right Like I didn't I wasn't capable at that time.
I didn't know enough, I didn't understand um and I
you know, I was in my my own personal winter.
And and sometimes it's okay to reach out and ask

(57:03):
someone else. So Matt, I would encourage you to reach
out to Brenda to be real honest, thank you as
I outside the show or now you guys choose, but
I would just encourage you to do that because if
if you are struggling with it and you don't really
have a belief, if you go into it without a belief,
you're probably not going to get in touch with your grandfather.
But if you believe, then you have a better chance. Yeah.

(57:26):
And again I don't think, um, I don't think you
need to believe to have the connection. But it's nice
to be open to possibilities. That's all. Just remain and
just remain open is really helpful, you know it. One
one thing is fascinating here is as we as we
get toward the end, of our episode, the introduction of

(57:46):
the Insiders Guide to the other Side, Julie, Brenda, you
literally anticipated the question I was going to ask next,
which was one of the things that we always like
to do on this show, is you empower the people.
Do you actually think we anticipated it? Did you actually
think that maybe Brent and I might have access to

(58:07):
a little power that you're not familiar with, you mean,
Google docs and once the Uh, well, I guess it
goes back to the nature of anticipation. So what I'm
setting up here is that I think you beautifully already
answered what was going to be our last question, which
was what advice can you give people who want to

(58:29):
focus on honing their own abilities in this regard? I asked,
because one thing that's stuck out in our earlier conversations
that we're that we're not on this episode. Uh to
to our earlier conversation that was on the air today
was Brenda, you had a statement where you said that
everybody is born inherently psychic. Everybody has abilities in this regard,

(58:54):
and so we just want to give you give you
the space. Uh. Talking directly to our list nurse today,
is there is there anything in addition to what you
all just established, any any additional advice you could give
someone who's listening right now and saying, you know, as
you established earlier, saying well, I want to I want

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to try to uh advance in this, but I don't
know how is there anything other than openness that that
could that people could directly apply in their day to
day lives. I love the question, and thank you, ben Um.
The for me, the most of the priority is people

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want it so much and so that they're focusing and
they're gonna like, I'm watching and I'm going to make
sure this happens, and if it doesn't come in the
way I asked for it, it doesn't matter. And I
would remind people that that's, um, that's a little immature
because you're asking spirit to like thread a specific needle
as opposed to simply gauge. And so instead of like

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I want to say, you know, I wrote down a
specific list. I want these three things in this order
by this time, and you know, and that's a fun
game to play, it's just not it doesn't produce the
best results. What the best results is to have a
soft focus. So the first thing is start a meditation practice.
If you don't have one, don't make it hard and
make it easy, which is to soften your mind and

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you have a visual that you like to come back
to in your mind or in front of your eyes,
eyes open or closes up to you, but have a
really soft focus, because we're talking about the unseen world,
and so if you are hyper focused with your eyes,
you're gonna miss the actual unseen world. The very subtleties
of how spirit comes in, whether it's a flash, whether

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it's you know, soft sound, you're gonna miss it if
you're playing music or on your phone, or you know,
hyper focus. So soften the focus, just two three to
five minutes a day can get you really, really far
with bringing your mind into alignment and being able to
perceive the subtlety set spirit brings in um and you know,
like writing keeping track in a general Oh, you know,

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whether it's like someone symbol is a star, Oh, I
saw three stars this week and it was in these
three places, or you know, like sometimes they'll give you
a symbol and and you can just go off of that,
like pay attention to where that guidance shows up. And
then if meditation or you know, finding your spiritual vibe
isn't really your thing, then move into the the unconscious

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world of dreams and start keeping track of your dreams,
because then we don't have the conscious filter in place
that takes information that's available to us or coming at us.
And I was always present in filtering out this is impossible,
This can't make sense. Our conscious filters will take a
lot of information that's around us and just put it aside.
And so those are the two venues that I like, Um, Julie, Yeah,

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I am so before I actually had any type of
spiritual vibe UM or any type the meditation type of practice, Like,
I don't do it the way that render does it
because I am all those acronyms, um, But for me,
it was it's it's what I encourage people to do
is is to truly pay attention. And I think that
if you do find a practice that allows you to

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pay attention more throughout your day, but if you can't,
try to find a different way to to stay focused
and pay attention. Because there are a list of things
to look for. And what I the things that I
would see from from loved ones um were things like
they because they're energy, they like to get into our
our electronics. So look for lights flickering, look for things
that um, and then and also try to explain them

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away because I think that's okay to right. It's like,
because you don't want to think that if that you
have your grandfather coming through, but you have a wiring
problem in your house. Um, but you don't. I mean,
like I I try to be really open with and
honest with people about this. It's like just because you know,
I don't want you to think that someone's here when
they're actually not because you have really a wiring issue.

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But electronics is a good one and one of the
best ones that I found is is um in part
of the whole electronics family is also computers. Um. There
was a time when my wife and I were in
our kitchen. Um, the computer was on. But what happened
was and you know, this is solid state technology, right,
so this isn't like faulty wiring because it was a
Mac go Apple, and they should pay you for that,

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by the way, so somebody should call them. Uh. So
iTunes came up, and it was before I Heart had
an app, So iTunes came up and and played a song. Uh.
It was psychedelic furs, ghost in you. Um, it's not ironic.
That was obviously planned by the spirit. And I knew.

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I'm like, okay, who's here? Because that just doesn't happen
because it's solid state technology, right, and and it's music
is another thing. Right, So there's a divine in timing
for them for you, for you to hear a song
at a certain time and you might be thinking about someone.
Don't think it's just accidental, right, They know when you're
about ready to enter into a place. Um. So music

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is good, electronics are good. Light, you know, lights are
really good. So just to pay attention to some of
those things. Um, numerology, you know. I remember Brenda after
we lost Mona and you had asked me, you said,
does the number six mean anything to you? And I said, well, no,
actually it doesn't, and you said, well it does. Now
I go, what do you mean? Because Wimana is telling

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you that the number six is your number? And I
will tell you I saw six everywhere and maybe I
got I was a tuned to it, but I will
tell you. Uh. Susanne and I were in Palm Springs
at a casino and I played number six on roulette
and it hit over and over and over and over
and where I could buy a new mountain bike. Um,
so I never heard that story. That's fine, you didn't. Well,

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you're welcome on that one. And actually thank you for
that one, because you know I came out ahead. Um
it's almost like a lottery kind of number thing, but
it was one number and so you know, just these
are things that aren't you know, you're not whisked the
way to behind a closed door, you know, behind the
door to another galaxy. I was in. I was in

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a casino, man and kept hitting the number that that
mona wanted me to know it was her. So there's
so many different ways that they can communicate with us.
There's so many ways for us to tap into that.
But paying attention is the most important thing we can do.
It keeps you in the present, all your senses are active,
and you can really be able to know what's happening

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when it's happening. Because I bet you all of you
have experienced so many things that A you don't know,
or you've tried to um, you've tried to explain away,
or you've just missed, but they're there. I guarantee your
grandfather Matt has has definitely made his self present to you.
I would I would probably agree. I think I think

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a lot of that comes that longing comes from the
um the want to have a conversation, right, And I
think that's the wrong way to think about it. The
way an interaction can occur here, the way you're describing,
the way you've been describing interactions this whole time. It's
more of an interpretation of something that you know, uh,

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a reaching out that isn't sitting down and having a
conversation that is not going to happen likely when I
find the conversation, Yeah, I find the conversations UM come
best from the pros like Brenda, because Brenda has this
Brenda shut your ears on once you get a big
head that Brenda has such I mean, her gifts are
so extraordinary. And then when she talked about superpowers, I've

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always encouraged her to get a cape um because to
me she is like superwoman and and has this ability
to communicate from the other side to through her to
you where the words that she uses even at one
point I swear brend you sounded like mon And it
was really weird when that happened. Um, because her gift

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is so extraordinary, and and plus Brenda is also um
she's a very principled person. And because she's so principled,
um uh, they come to her. And I don't want
me to explain what principle means. But because she's so
principled that that she gets messages, I think that others don't.
And so conversations are best to come from her. You're

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going to get probably um uh, an inclination that they're
around you. They might give you a hint there that
might give you a clue of some sort, but the
combos come from from the pros. So the only thing,
thank you, Julie, you're very kind, and that you didn't
close your ears. The only thing I would think about,
um when you when you spoke of interpretations. Right, of

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course it's interpretations because it's a frequency. Right. They don't
have a body anymore, so they are transmitting a frequency.
It can be a feeling, it can be a sound,
it can be a color, it can be right, it's
a frequency. It could be like that emotional translation. Like
when I'm speaking for spirit, I am literally saying the
whole time I'm talking, I'm following the frequency and following

(01:08:07):
the frequency, and then I'm checking with spirit did I
get it right? Did? And sometimes I'll go back and
have me edit something, just a little bit that I
got off or something. I'll be like, no, this was
good up until here. Then it's this other thing, and
they'll they'll show it to me again. Because I'm translating frequency,
that's what I'm translating, and and and that, and that
translates to emotion. I will tell you what happened about
five minutes ago. I wasn't going to confess this, but

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I'm gonna confess it to you. What just happened is
that when Brenda was speaking earlier and she was talking
about meditation practices and she was going through this, that
I closed my eyes and I see my mother, um,
because she shows up a lot when I talk about
her and what she transmitted. I almost started to cry.
And this is literally five minute If if if Chris

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would have turned around and been like, what the hell?
Why is she crying? Nothing's going on. It's because I
was actually having a moment with my mom. So they
can be an emotional moment for you, and it was
just a physical emotional and it was love. It was
just like, I'm so proud of you, baby, You're doing
exactly what you're supposed to be doing. And and so
those things happen and it just happened to me five

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minutes ago. And this this is our perfect transition point. Listeners,
we want to pass the conversation to you. We want
to hear your personal stories, the experiences you feel comfortable
sharing after listening to our conversation today, Julie Brenda, we

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want to thank you so much for being so generous
with your time today and for introducing many of us
for the first time to the real life version of
the things that they may have only seen depicted before
in in stories or you know, works of fiction. Uh.

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And most importantly I would say also thank you for
sharing your stories and thank you for giving list there's
the tools that they will need to at least get
started on their journey. The Insiders Guide to the Other
Side is out now. It is available as as we
always say, on the I Heart Radio app. You can

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And I just want to add something here. We've been
talking about belief and skepticism and you know the gamut
that all of us listening run just remember, as always
on this show, we will never tell you what to believe,
but we do ask that like like Julie and Brenda said,

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keep an open mind before you shut anything down. Um,
so that just just putting that in there before we end. Um,
Julian Brenda has been said, thank you for coming on
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