March 25, 2020 • 56 mins
Like many other regions of the world, China has its own folklore about ancient, humanoid giants. In most cases, these legends have a mundane cause -- a misidentified fossil, for example, or a translation error. However, this case appears to be unique, because it turns out the giants have been found... it just depends on what you mean when you call someone a 'giant.' Tune in to learn more.
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of I Heart Brading. Hello, welcome back to the show.
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My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure, but
we'll be returning soon. They called me Ben. We are
joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond.
Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that
makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Before
we dive into today's show, which is wed. It's pretty
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interesting actually, one of those mysteries that we do have
an answer for. We want to give you a quick
update on some stuff we learned about COVID nineteen, the
novel coronavirus, which is currently uh sweeping the globe at
a pace uh comparable to k pop uh but much
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more deadly. Yeah, that's right. And many of you know
we are in Atlanta, Georgia where we record this, and
this is one of the places, specifically Fulton County, one
of the major counties within the greater metropolitan area here
in Atlanta, UM it is experiencing a bit of an
outbreak including within the public school system. Right as we
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were walking into record today, just this just this afternoon,
I had learned that Fulton County school systems are closing
for now just to sanitize the area. That's that's the
official line. No one knows how long they'll be closed for,
but they're doing so because a an employee was recently
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confirmed to have coronavirus. At this point, uh, the US
still lags behind mind other countries in terms of testing.
Uh in you know, many people, including Vice reporter uh
and myself have been surprised going back through US customs
to find that they just let you in. Other countries,
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by the way, are having much more extensive testing. Some
countries have mandatory fourteen day quarantines, which probably still isn't
long enough. Uh. So we want to hear from you
what what's happening COVID wise in your neck of the woods.
And I don't want to, you know, tell anyone's business here,
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but mission control. Weren't you about to head over to Italy?
Are you still going? Okay? No, he is not. Okay,
that makes me feel a little safer. Yeah, well Italy
is actually they're they're also their death tolls Uh, their
death toll increased by a hundred and thirty three people.
Today it's March nine. As we record this, uh, and
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around the world, we're seeing countries take different different approaches,
and many countries are getting in front of it. They're
sacrificing you know, uh, bad press, or they're taking a
hit with bad press to look overly prepared or pessimistic
or pragmatic. I would let's go that route every time,
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absolutely absolutely, and uh, you know, mad I'm not gonna
name names, but there were a couple of people who
yet again implied that I was I was being paranoid
or overthinking it to uh just get a you know,
to revamp my bug out bag. But that's just what
I do when I get a new vehicle. Dude, if
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anyone throws shade at your bug bug out bag, no
matter who you are out there or within this room,
that person is not your real friend. See I'm not
you know what though, I'm like very uh, I'm very
boy scout about it. My my bug out bag doesn't
have won anything illegal in it. Uh. And and to
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sell an offense about this, but it doesn't have a
lot of the heavy stuff the other people my mind
is like you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, your
car breaks down or something, and you need to be
alive for seventy two hours. I don't think that's crazy.
That's not crazy at all. That's my entire trunk space
in my vehicle right now. Is did something go wrong?
Open the trunk? That's great. Yeah, yeah, it's a matter
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of fact. Um. I was talking with a friend of
mine or main nameless this weekend and when it just
got back and uh, he was. He was telling me
about a kit he has for gunshot wounds to stitch
himself up. And I thought, you know, really, it's not
that's funny. No, no, no, but you know, we'd like
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to also hear what what you're doing in reaction to
this in your neck of the Global Woods. Do you
feel like this is alarmism? Do you feel like people
are not making a big enough deal? Uh? Did you
already have a bug out bag? I hope you already.
We hope you already washed your hands normally. Yeah, that's
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one of the weird things. You know. I did not
apply antibacterial before coming into this room, though I did.
Yeah you did? Yeah? Yeah, oh boy, I didn't. I
went home and a shower. I just covered myself in
hand sanitizer like Danny DeVito's character, and it's always sunny
in Philadelphia. Just slopped it on that maintenance people came over,
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and you know, it would have been weird a few
weeks ago, but now they were like, we get it. Yeah,
as long as you didn't climb into a leather couch,
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, not not
quarantine yet. I swear. There's the last thing we we
were having this internal discussion here just about these microphone
covers that Ben and I are talking into right now.
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There are these removable, uh just black mesh microphone covers,
and so many people use these studios now throughout the
day and just talk right here in close proximity to
these things. Um, if any of us gets sick, it
will be the on air talent, So I will know, Matt.
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Since since our fellow listeners can't see the studio right
now and takes more pictures of it or something. Uh,
you and I a mission control as well. We keep
our mouths relatively far away from the mic in comparison
to some other people. And I just keep getting further.
Just are you guys, okay with me sounding like this
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the whole episode. What do you think is that bad
for is that bad for business? Paul? Yeah? Okay, all right,
So before the world burns down, and while while we're
waiting for your questions, you're probably saying, Okay, I want
to tell you about my bug out bagger, I want
to tell you why uh then you're being crazy? Or
I want to tell you, um, I want to know
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more about what's in your trunk. Matt. Whatever you're saying,
they're probably thinking, how do I how do I communicate
with you guys directly while you can find us and
a number of places. Uh, We're just the internet is
riddled with us. One thing that we we've started to
do is to give some Twitter shout outs, because Twitter is,
you know, uh, at its worst, it is a cesspool
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of misinformation, and at its best it can help you
get around things like state censorship or mainstream media censorship.
It's an invaluable It's like fire, it's an invaluable tool
for the villains and the heroes. That's right throughout mythology,
which will come back into play later. Right. So I
don't know, Matt, you gotta you gotta Twitter shout out
you want to kick off, I do. I wanna give
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a big shout out to Jeff who made a video
message and sent it to us, and he is only
wearing a hoodie because he's he's at a swim function
and it's cold, but uh but yeah, he's He sent
us a message about a company that he wants us
to look into, and we've already done some initial all
searching around about it. So thanks for sending that to us, Jeff.
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No spoilers, huh spoilers or you can see what Jeff's
talking about on Twitter right if you follow us at
Conspiracy Stuff spelled like it sounds on Twitter. I also
want to give a shout out to Sarah at Sarah Allen,
who said, I love that you all covered the Jeff
Davis eight on your last episode. One point of contention,
Frankie Reachard's name is pronounced Reachard, not Richard. It's yeah, yeah, yeah,
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yeah uh, and that's we. We appreciate that correction. You know,
proper nouns can always be a little bit tricky. We
also appreciate everybody who wrote in regarding the Jennings eight podcast.
We think it's an important story and it is a
mystery that is yet to be solved. So, without further ado,
on to today's episode. This is this is a weird one.
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That's when we heard about a while back, but still
pretty recently when you look at this pan time as
a whole. But I guess everything humans are pretty recent
if you look at the span of time as a whole.
Earth is sort of a fad. What the new think.
Let's let's hope we stick around. Oh my god, what
are we gonna do? Hey, we had a good run.
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Let's let's just let's look back while we can. There
we go, There we go. It reminds me of an
old joke in Spanish. Doesn't really translate to English, but
I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, keep that in mind. No,
it's about like what do you do if you're hanging
on a cliff and like there's a strawberry bush and
it's the only thing that's keeping you, but you see
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the roots pulling out of the cliff. Anyway, that the
punch line is when they're like, what do you do
with the punch lines? You eat the strawberries. That's pretty good.
It's it's funnier in the original language all right, but
you're right, Matt, humanity. Let's look back while we can.
The more we learn about early humanity, the stranger our
collective story becomes right. We we know still that the
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general pattern of human migration from the African continent throughout
the rest of the world still seems correct, still seems legit. Uh.
There there are tons of things that appear to confirm this. However,
recent research has revealed there is an entire mass. There's
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a volume of other chapters that were missing from the
broad strokes of that story. We know now that a
lot of stuff, a lot of stuff that sounded crazy
or kookie back when many of us listening were children,
A lot of that stuff has been proven. We know
that our ancestors or you know, if your Homo sapien
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or ancestors met mingold and may have interbred with multiple
other hominids, sort of the early mixtapes of what would
become humanity, things like Neanderthal's dennis Ovans were recent discovery
Homo florencias, the so called hobbits, and as a matter
of fact, wait, oh, I gotta say there was another
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kind of smaller early human like species discovered in the
Philippines as well. And recently, yeah, and really recently, uh,
there was a there there appears to be maybe another
ghost in the genetic code. In February twelve, we found
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reports that some West Africans may have genes from an
ancient what people are calling ghost hominid. And they found
this through genetic research. Uh. And and they've learned what
the DNA from this as of yet unidentified homin and
does it involves tumor suppression and regulation of hormones. All
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to say, all to say that we are very much
still in the early days of understanding exactly where we
came from. I'm just gonna go ahead and say this
and that ghost DNA. Come on, we all know what
that is. Yeah, that's extra trust rate. Come on, I
want it to be true, so so argently you know.
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Oh yeah, Well, and and here's the other thing. Just
when we're talking about this kind of stuff, if you're
a subscriber to the the theory, we will say it
is a theory of um evolution in the way that
you know, all or most of science believes in the
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way like gravity is a theory. Yes, um, will you
realize that there are a ton of experimentations and combinations
that occurred through DNA where different things were produced than
what we understand as the model. Let's say Homo sapien, right,
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so many varying things must have been produced. Just that's
just the way it functions, and we maybe forget sometimes
that just because you don't have a specific skeleton of
a large group of hominin's the uh you know, like
a Dennis Ovan or something, doesn't doesn't mean that there
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aren't jumps in between there, or versions of a hominin
that is a Denisovan, slash um whatever. I'm because just
gonna use the intertal as an example, but I don't
know if the timelines match. I just mean, just because
you don't find a bunch of those bones somewhere doesn't
mean they didn't exist. It's a big stew a gumbo
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of humanoid d n a of comini d NA um
and that's you know, just as we just remember that
as we continue throughout today's episode genetic Gumbo. I love it.
Uh Yeah, So that the most recent discovery, just to
put that in perspective, if you're listening to this when
it comes out, like last month, we've found evidence of
another early thing that was very much like us, such
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that our ancestor could interbreed with it, meaning that whatever
this ghost in in the genetic machine is, it is
also part of us, and some of us listening today
are in a very real sense then part ghost until
we identify it. If you have your Uba or mende
Uh ancestry, then you have two to ninet of genetic
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material from this mysterious population. Yeah, and we don't know
what it is. It's a you know, quote missing link
right now between you know, whatever that genetic population was, right,
And we're not saying it's anything crazy. We're just we
just don't know yet. Yeah, So this is where we're at.
There is a fascinating argument to be made that Matt,
I know you and I have both gone back and
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forth over in the years between. It's about the relationship
between folklore and fact. Could all these recollections of those
ancient encounters have survived somehow through properly oral storytelling right
before the written word, and could they have inspired those
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age old legends of meeting sentient not quite human creatures
like things we think of as like trolls or or elves, goblins, dwarves,
and so on. Could could it happen? Maybe? Maybe that's
the thing. It's fascinating. There's no proof of this yet
and it would be very, very difficult to prove, but
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still that concept has encouraged conjecture, not just about the
um the greatest hits of supernatural sentient beings that we
named right now, but other stuff, you know, things, other
creatures that were thought to be sentient that have been
largely relegated to the land of legend and myth, namely giants.
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It's giants, yep, this is what's the old ominous biblical quote.
There were giants in those days, you know. Oh yeah,
I was thinking more f fo fum. Oh yeah, but
that's a good one too. Grind the bones to make
our bread. Yeah, Giants and cannibalism closely related throughout world folklore.
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Hey Ben, what do you say we take a quick
break and then get to the facts. Absolutely, here are
the facts. In several episodes, we have examined the concept
of ancient giants before, so if we're a full dive
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into this, do check out those earlier episodes, uh you.
One specific one would be the legend of the c Techka,
which is a Native American legend. No spoilers, but it's
worth your time. Oh, it definitely is. And also, just
to set this up front as well, you may have
at some point on a social media channel found images
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of giants skeletal remains. Um just in our researching for
the sea Ic episode and a couple other past episodes.
Many of those, if not all of them, are photoshopped
and our bogus just putting that out there. There are, however,
reports coming out that we're going to talk about today
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of real, real discoveries that are out of the ordinary
when you're talking about the size of a skeleton. So yes, yes,
So let's let's also point out that not all of
those photos are necessarily modern hoaxes, right, absolutely shrouded turn style.
Well yeah, hundreds of years this kind of thing has
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been uh touted by I don't want to use the
word charlatan's by people who are just trying to build
you for some money, right yeah, And let's okay, So
we'll get this out of the way. This is this
is the factual part of the show, right, So this
is where we we have to be, uh, the paleontological
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party poopers. Just for a bit long story short and
most of the episodes we've done regarding what we would
call giants, we found that the concept the giants of
the stories and the legends, the allegations can be attributed
to some some pretty mundane causes, and we wanted to
dive into one fascinating example. Tantalizing, I would say, because
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we can't we can't quite prove it, you know what
I mean, Like you can't like you can't get there.
But we're about sure, uh that this adds up, this
is a true story. Well, yeah, if you think about
stumbling across the remains of some creature that is unknown
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to you, that looks very different, it's pretty strange. You
look at those bones and you think, well, wow, that
looks kind of like a leg bone or or an
arm bone, and what is this skull? What on earth
is this? And what we're gonna talk about right now
is an example of finding a strange goal and maybe
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misattributing it to being some kind of humanoid creature. Yeah. Yeah,
we've misidentified bones from other animals. And what's fascinating here
is that In two thousand and three, geologists with the
University of Crets Natural History Museum named Charles Lampos fossilas
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of fassulas. He He noted that Greece and the Agan
we're once upon a time, millions and millions of years ago,
home to something called Dinotherium giganteum. The ballpark translation for this,
by the way, is huge terrible beasts. So, uh, this thing,
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we'll you understand now again, it's million millions of years ago,
eight or nine million years it is. It was a
distant relative to the modern elephant, but it was gigantic.
It was four point six meters tall or fifteen feet tall,
and it had these huge tusks. It was one of
the largest mammals to ever stroll around this fine planet
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of ours. And ancient people in that area, millions and
millions of years later, were almost certain to have encountered
at some point fossils of these creatures. And since those
people were very much like people of today, they did
just what you're describing that. They said, okay, let's let's
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get a let's wrap our heads around this. What is
this thing? All right? This is a leg bone, This
is huge. Whatever this thing was, it was huge. And
and we're talking about grease. We're talking about Grease Peninsula
and all of this. Yeah, very very smart culture in
many ways. Uh, and they tried to explain it through
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the lenses of their current understanding. Yes, through in this
case Greek in Roman mythology. And there's an author named
Adrian Mayer, and she argues that both of these groups,
um Greeks and Romans, that they saw this as possibly
evidence of some of the mythological creatures that were pre existing.
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And she wrote about this in her book called the
First Fossil Hunters Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times. Yeah. Yeah,
so we we know this was a common thing, not
just in Greco Roman times, and not just in that
part of the world, but in any part of the world.
Whenever humans find stuff, we are explainers, were classifiers, We
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want to be the smart ones in the room. Essentially,
there's this ancient story, this myth about this creature, and
now we found this real fossil. Well, let's let's connect
those things together right through the lens of our understanding,
because we have to realize that mythology, what we call
mythology now, was a very real way of looking at
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the world and explained a lot of stuff and plus
at a benefit, a lot of mythology is inextricably intertwined
with predictions of the movements of the heavens, So this
stuff seems real, right. So there's an archaeologist named Thomas
Strasser who agrees with Adrian Mayor's writing, and he said, specifically,
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you'll never be able to test this idea in a
scientific fashion. But the ancient Greeks were farmers, and they
would certainly have come across fossil bones like this from
this huge, terrible, terrible, huge beasts, and they would try
to explain them, and they didn't have a concept of
the theory of evolution, so it makes sense to this
archaeologist that they would reconstruct them in their minds as
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things like giants, monsters, sphinxes and so on, and that
I know dying too. For anyone who hasn't heard us
telegraphing this, uh like for minutes, now, well, what was
the what was the money on? What what did these
people think that Dinatherium giganteum was. Well, if you've never
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seen a Dinatherium giganteum skull, I recommend if you can
search for it right now before I spoil it for you. Okay,
hopefully you're not driving or if you're in a tesla
like do little vocal command thing or whatever. I don't
know how new cars work. Uh, a cyclops, and that
might be a little bit bit surprising. Wait, you're saying,
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as an elephant like creature, right, have two eyes? Yeah,
and they do have two eyes. But what they also
have if you're just looking at the bones, the skull
is a giant, giant centered nasal passage right right, And
these skulls clearly differ from the skulls of modern Asian
or African elephants. That nasal passage is huge, and it
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does kind of look like the where you would put
a monstrous eye, especially if you thought may be where
the actual eye holes are are ear holes, eye holes,
eye sockets. Sorry, oh yeah, you're right, dude, you're right.
The eye sockets really do look like it would be
where the ears are because they're separated. They're they're separated
through the way bird eye bird eye sockets are separated
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on the sides of the face. Anyhow. Yeah, so the
cyclops can't prove it a hundred percent, but we're pretty
sure it was the misidentified skull of this monster elephant,
and the monster elephant itself is scary enough, right, so
and so cool. I wonder if it was as intelligent
as elephants are today. You know, it was at least
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the the precursor. You can totally Oh wow, it's creepy looking.
It's a bruiser. Yeah, man, it could. It could wreck
somebody with those tusks. So a lot of monsters in folklore,
as uh irritating is is to say a lot of them,
not all of them, but a lot of them were
the result of misidentified postles. Were things we attempted as
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a species to explain. Second, and going to your earlier
pointment about about photoshop, one mundane explanation for giants in
general is unethical reporting from muck breaking newspapers and other
media going back a long time and and also going
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forward a long time, pretty recently here in the United States.
You know, you've probably heard tell as we would say
in Tennessee, even if you're not from the U S.
You've you've heard stories about the late nineteenth century in
early twentieth century discoveries, you know, the eighteen hundreds discoveries,
where there would be a reporter with a breathless claim
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that somewhere out there in the desert in in the
lawless lands that we're not quite states. Uh, someone had
found bizarre, huge skeletons. They're tied into the myth of
the American West, right, the pre European existence. So far
are none of those claims have been proven. If you're
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talking about like a twenty foot tall giant, right, yeah,
and and again you've probably seen those images. Again they
are they're convincing, but faked. And well, here's the other
thing we noticed when we were talking about this previously
on these episodes. There's there are a ton of people
out there who believe the storyline that someone somewhere either
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at the Smithsonian or the Natural History Museum or some
other organizations, the Vatican and just roll out the red carpet. Well, yeah,
that these bones were recovered, these these ancient remains were
recovered and sent off to one of these institutions, and
then that institution is then hiding it from the public,
right right. And the big question there would be motive,
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Why why would they do that? Even even if it
were plausible for that to happen, And it's it's possible,
I guess technically it's possible, But again then it is
a big leap from possible to plausible. Also, why would
they do it? That's that's the piece of the puzzle
that we have to we have to solve if we
want to engage with that that theory um. And what
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you'll hear is that it's too hide the true nature
of humanity, right right, And this ties in a little
bit with some some cryptozoologists will argue something like that, right,
but not on air, what do you mean? But not
on air anyhow? Anyhow So, and we'll get back to
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that later on in today's show. Just to hold it
in your head, bracket, I mean, don't tattoo yourself with that,
but you know, remember it for the next few minutes.
So we know, with the notable exception of the citecha,
a lot of those things turn out to be legends
or hoaxes. And then, of course there is the third,
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the third common cause that we we have found sound,
and it's a it's a personal one for a lot
of people, and therefore it being a personal one is
something that I it's personal in a way that I
don't think other people should intrude upon, by which I
mean some accounts of giants come from ancient religious sources,
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or text, and this can lead modern adherents of these
sources or text or belief systems to accept those stories
because they're part of the faith system or the belief
system that they have. You know, especially when you get
to UH people who have literal interpretations of things rather
than metaphorical or figurative UH. This this means that in
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order to practice their belief system, they have to believe
everything that is involved. Right. One example of having to
accept everything, all part and parcel of a belief system
would be something like the belief in Jin. For for
many people who consider themselves, you know, astute and committed
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followers of of the belief system with Jen, like of Islam.
There there are people who say, well, you have to
believe in Jin because it's in the Koran. You know,
it's the and by far one of the coolestar in
my opinion, appearances in the Koran. You know, creatures of
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Smokeless Fire. You know, it's incredible. And you have a
podcast or you have a you've been involved with the
podcast about that, Right, you almost set it up perfectly
because it's a show all about Jinn. And I think
people will be very surprised by the show and it's
not out yet, Ben, but it will be out at
some point this year. Okay, that's what I'm what are
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you says, I'm personally very excited for. So so there
we have. And additionally, when we encounter to the world
of faith and religion, there could be a situation in
which giants are ascribed some sort of supernatural power, whether
just because of their descent from a divine or otherwise
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supernatural being, or because it's just part of the other
thing that makes them not quite human. Right, And if
they're supernatural, then that means logically the natural rules don't
apply to them. So why would you try to codify
these things in human terms? Right? If they are agents
of the infernal or agents of the divine. So there
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you have. Those are three reasons we've We've done several
episodes in this We've had three reasons. Misidentification, purposeful hoaxes,
um religious accounts. We didn't we didn't even not yet.
Yeah and uh, and we talked about that in earlier episode.
So this may leave a lot of us and are
fellow listeners going bummer? So all these giant at myths
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are bogus. I'm turning this episode off The big secret,
the giant secret about giants is it's a giant hoax.
You guys are terrible. Everything is terrible. I'm gonna throw
my phone. I'm gonna place it on the ground and
just be upset about it and wait for the COVID. Yeah,
don't worry. We didn't say that yet. We did not
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say that these are all focus. What are we talking about.
I'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's
where it gets crazy. Well, guess what we've got breaking
news for you. It appears that there are ancient giants,
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at least in China. Right, it's crazy. We see breaking news.
Mean back in July, and we spent some time tracing
down this story. We can verify this story. We'll get
into it anyway. July not too long ago. Right. The
story came to us from China's Sinua News agency, and
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they reported that these archaeologists had discovered the remains of
five thousand year old community in eastern China, and the
members of this community, we have the bones, we have
the proof. It didn't disappear. The Smithsonian doesn't have it
yet or whatever. These people appeared to be mhm giants, giants.
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They were described as giants. They were described as giants giants, yes, uh,
so we looked to Fenghui, who is the head of
the Shendong University School of History and Culture. And if
you look through the reporting, we talked about tracing this
story because you will find it in like thirty different
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publications English written publications. That's pretty much the same story,
just kind of copied over, right, So we went to
the We went to the primary sources, yes, exactly, We
got to the original one. So uh Feng We describes
how since two thousand and sixteen, a group of archaeologists
have been excavating the ruins of a hundred and four houses,
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two five graves, and twenty sacrificial pits in this village.
That ben, I'm gonna let you pronounce you at least no, no,
I don't know the tones. Uh, I don't know. That's
way better than what I would say. Mandarin speakers are
going to punish us, and right least, so let us
know how to pronounce it. You can find us on Twitter,
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and I would say Jane Qui or jeong jong Shu district. Yeah,
and that's uh near the capital of shan Dong. These
relics are from something a Neolithic era in a community
called the long Sean culture and it's uh, it's in
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the middle kind of er reaches of the Yellow River.
And they named the culture after a nearby mountain, Mountain
Long Tronk. This area, as far as we can tell,
was a cultural powerhouse. It was a center of politics, economy,
and of course politics and economy uh, closely related with
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religions at this time, arguably still today, closely related with religions.
So they also found ruins of ditches, clay embankment's, they
found tons of a coutrement and uh, you know, status symbols,
jade pottery, all the hits, all the hits. And since
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this was a cultural center, these people here again described
as giants, lived pretty well. They had separate bedrooms and kitchens.
We know that they had a solid diet too, pretty consistently,
which was super important to this story. Yeah, you're eating
millet their primary in there. They're also eating some pork,
some pigs some cases. They are also these giant graves
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where pig bones and pig teeth were found. And well,
let's talk just quickly about the archaeologists and this job
and putting together you know, the the ideas here, like, oh,
the ruins that we found are definitely places houses that
had separate bedrooms, and we know that because of the
way they were set up. Um, that's a that to
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me is almost magic being able to see with a
lens like understand having such a deep understanding of the
history of archaeology, the history of humanity, to be able
to look at something like that and figure that stuff
out and and put together those pieces of Oh, there's
millet in this layer of the soil where all of
(35:49):
this other stuff is preserved. There's a lot of millet here,
and there's all these pig bones, Like we could kind
of see what these people lived like, right, right, And
a lot of work goes in TwixT very difficult process. Uh.
At the end of at the end of this episode,
I am going to make uh maybe a somewhat controversial
(36:10):
maybe my thought experiment, But archaeologists are working diligently around
the world and around the clock, and they are discovering
things and having to prove them. You know, seven ways
to sundown, six ways to Sunday, whatever you want to say.
So this discovery is amazing for these archaeologists is a motherload,
is a watershed moment. It fills in what what has
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been described as a cultural blank from about four thousand,
five hundred to five thousand years ago. So for about
five hundred years there are these giants. At least five
hundred years. You know, the math gets sketchy and fuzzy.
The further back now here is the part most of
us have been waiting for, the big question, the dinotherium
(36:56):
giganteum in the room. If you will, just how big
were these people? I mean, Matt, if we genuinely do
have physical evidence of real life giants, what exactly do
we mean when we say giant? Oh buddy, let me
tell you. Are you ready for this? Let me scoot
(37:16):
to the edge, hold on, hold onto something. Okay, here
he goes. They were between one point eight meters and
two meters tall. So can you America that for me
real quick? Sure? Um, let's see one mem is around
three feet yeah, okay, so that would be five nine
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ish five eleven two six two maybe six six if
we're reaching six six on the out, yeah, on the outside. Right.
Oh man, Well, that's a that's a little bit of
a letdown. Have we have we taken our fellow conspiracy
realist and a bit of a shaggy dog's sorry, well,
(38:01):
I mean you know dogs are great. Yes, the answer
is yes. They found uh that that height as weird.
We'll get to Taller men were found buried in larger graves,
and this could be due to them having a higher status,
uh socio politically. It could also be due to them
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having access to better food. We know there was a
lot of inviting their sacrificial pits. There are people who
have clearly died by violence in such a violent way
that you can tell just by looking at their bones.
You don't even need the rest of the body. Someone
someone mopped them in an aggressively brutal way. So this
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height is noteworthy at the higher end in most parts
of the world. Right in our previous episode, we said,
you know, the shortest average height will tend to me
women in the Philippines, tass average height is gonna tend
to be males in a certain European Northern European countries. Still,
for most people, if you see someone who's six ft
(39:02):
six inches tall, you're going to think, well, that's not
not worthy. But that's not the tallest person I've ever
heard of, and it's probably not even the tallest person
I've ever seen, especially if I have a television, Like
just to kick the stats today, the average height of
a professional basketball player in the United States is six
(39:23):
ft seven inches tall. Yeah, the average mail is five
ft nine inches tall, which is still kind of in
the lower end of where this community of giants was discovered, right, Yeah,
I mean I'm walking out at slightly above that average height,
and i feel like I'm shorter than most people. So
you know, that's just how how it goes. But but
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here's the big question, really is, well, what gives is
there some kind of comparison to the surrounding population or
the people of the time where I mean, it's like
it's tough because we don't have a lot of information
to go on. We're talking about filling in really a
time hole here, right, a cultural time whole. So you
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don't have a ton of people to others to compare
this to, Right, So how do we explain this characterization
of ancient giants? Here's the thing, the people in the
surrounding communities, we're actually shorter. So while these mysterious giants
might seem kind of unremarkable today, make a mistake. They
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were towering over their contemporaries in adjacent communities. If you
saw a bunch of these folks running at you in
your village, in your you know, your area, you would
freak out because they were huge, and you know, hopefully
they're in a good mood. And the assumption there as well,
(40:49):
they must be stronger than me. They at least have
probably more weight on me. Um, and definitely reach boxing rules. Well, yeah,
but you know we're with a weapon or whatever you're
dealing with at that time. Um. And here's the thing.
We don't have extremely great numbers on the average height
of the people in surrounding communities, but we do know
(41:10):
the average height of Europeans at the same time, and
that is around five ft five inches or one point
six seven meters, So that's a full that would be
a full foot uh foot a foot and an inch
above if you're talking about the six six individual there.
So the people in this culture, in this community were
(41:34):
on average going to be much taller. So we can
also take the example of Confucius, perhaps one of the
most famous proven factual historical figures from this region. Uh
Confucius was around five to b C. He was described
(41:58):
anywhere from about one point nine meters tall, which is,
you know, six is feet tall, right, Uh, to other
accounts that have him, uh nine ft and six inches tall. Yeah.
We we have an excerpt from a book called Confucius,
(42:19):
His Life and Thought, and in here we're we're just
gonna describe that. I'm just gonna give you a quote here,
and it says, according to the historical records, Confucius was
nine ft six inches tall, a height which seems to
have been regarded as quite unusual. The measures of the
measures of length of the Han dynasty were shorter than
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those now in use. The height of a normal adult
was about seven ft, that of a tall person eight feet.
Thus a height of nine ft six inches indicated something
of a giant, and that certainly would. But if you know,
if you changed it over, I guess you'd be reducing
by about two feet there. So then we have another
(43:01):
issue with classification. We can't just accept the assumption that
what we call a foot meant the same thing right
the same way we can't really accept what a giant was.
So while these people would certainly have been intimidating, they
were not as far as we know, ten feets all
in the way that we today understand feet. That's gonna
(43:24):
sound so weird out of context, we today in the
way that we today understand feet. Uh hashtag no Tarantino
or whatever that that that that creepy guy from all
the Nickelodeon shows. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Creepy guy from all the Nickelodeon shows. There is a
(43:46):
longstanding series of frankly troubling rumors about a very successful
showrunner for Nickelodeon named Dan Schneider, and the allegations are
that he has a weird foot thing that makes its
(44:07):
way onto the air. I have heard about that, and
these are you know, these are child actors. Oh, I
haven't done a lot of digging into this. I don't
I don't know that. I don't know, Um that I
haven't done digging into this. Then, of course, you know,
is difference between the court of public opinion and in
that rumor and then an actual quart or investigation. But
(44:30):
we'll we'll look at we'll look into it. Uh, let's
get back to the way more comfortable version of feet.
We're talking a rut here. Yeah, So there's one other
questions when we don't have a definitive answer to what
made these people so tall? Right, why were they literally
head and shoulders over the adjacent communities. Right. Researchers theorized
(44:54):
that at least the men in the community grew to
these comparatively uh soaring height because they were high status
individuals who had access to better food than most of
their contemporaries. If you want to see a real life
version of this at play now while you are alive,
check out the height comparisons between people born on the
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Korean Peninsula before. Maybe, like some of the eighties babies
who would have been developing during the famines of the
nineties of the nineteen nineties, they have because of malnutrition.
This this population, this genetically homogeneous has discernible, easily visible
(45:39):
differences in average height. So maybe it was just maybe
it was the food. Uh. We know that the nature
of the burials suggests that these people, these occupants, these giants,
were wealthy. Uh. And then it's also suggests that there
was some grave robbery, uh, grave cases of grave robbery,
(46:01):
because pottery and artifacts have been found within the tombs
were uh sometimes not even not even stolen, just deliberately broken.
Someone came in and just smashed it. So there is
a story there that's as of yet unwritten and maybe
as a revolt of some kind. Yeah, yeah, again like
(46:21):
the CTKA. You know. So this is one of the
weirdest parts about this. These giants are still around sort of.
The people living in Shandong now still consider their height
to be a defining attribute of their region and their communities,
(46:43):
and weirdly enough, this belief appears to be true. It
appears to be confirmed. Yeah, the average height of men
aged eighteen in Shandong was one point seven five three
ms or around seven something like that. Yeah, yeah, with
(47:04):
the natural national average around one point seven two ms.
So again, it's like it's like there were real giants,
but we just kind of explained away, like any kind
of supernatural reasoning behind them, right, we don't have we
don't have a solid again proof. It's very difficult to
(47:25):
try to guest estimate those causes five thousand years ago,
but it does appear there were real giants. It's just,
you know, as we said, a giant back then wasn't
the same thing like usually, and we can't speak for
everyone usually nowadays. When you think of giants were like
(47:46):
ten ft as a minimum as a minimum giant. But
that's just I think that's just our version of something
that would be unbelievable for it to be naturally occurring. Right,
Just ten ft is so beyond what we've observed, you
just go, wow, Yeah, that's definitely something else that's going
(48:06):
on here. That's just not some kind of genetic combination
that just happened to get ten ft. We should also
point out, yeah, really good point that these people were
healthy and normal. They did not seem to be suffering
from the genetic condition that affected Wadlow. They didn't suffer
from gigantism. It reminds me of So I was in
(48:29):
the city of London a while back. You remember this,
and I saw the Tower of London. Yeah, and I
fell non plus and I had to remember it was
like at the time this was built, first towers were
much more difficult to construct, and they wouldn't have there.
(48:49):
Of course, it wouldn't be as tall in comparison as
say London Bridge, or as tall as you know, multiple
other multiple other buildings in the area. Now you have
to put yourself back in that mindset. So back then,
a tower it was like the Tower of London was
(49:09):
its huge And I'm not denigrating it. It's an historically
significant building. It's just I don't know what I was expecting.
You know, as a kid, all I heard about is
there was a tower, there were ravens, their special guards
called beef eaters, and get there and you're like, oh, okay,
this isn't This is a very very old building, especially
(49:30):
for US Yankees, and uh, you know, towers were different,
so it's kind of the same thing. Giants were different
in this part of the world. It unless, okay, here's
the unless, Matt, there really is some sort of overarching
generational conspiracy to repress evidence of actual giants, in which case,
(49:52):
the discovery of these suppressed remains would be, without a doubt,
one of the largest expose s in human history. Here's okay,
here's my all right. Oh yeah, Matt's crossing his arms
because you know you're about to get like a story, right,
I'll keep it short, but here's my argument. So we
know we know that stuff disappears. I really appreciate your
(50:13):
earlier point about how difficult it is to find things,
especially organic matter, because Earth is alive. It's hungry, you know,
like they're still there. Not only have we discovered in
the courts of the show that there are genuine lost
cities and civilizations, but we we we also discovered that
(50:34):
many of those things are going to be lost to history,
especially in depending on the environment or biom there in.
Like if you if you have a lost civilization in
a jungle, man jungles eight human things and they do
it very quickly. Yeah, and all of the things that
humans create, that's really what you're saying. But yeah, it's
(50:56):
not just the human it's the all the stuff they
put together, and they thought, oh, this is gonna be
great and last forever. Oh no, no no. So then
it is again, it is possible that there could have
been an isolated population of even larger things, since you
hominins of some sort, and maybe again there's a lot
(51:20):
of ifs here, uh, and maybe let's say they were
in a very aggressive biome like that that we're in
a jungle or something, and then they just the earth
ate them. Between the time that they expired and the
time our versions of people came along. It is possible.
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(53:08):
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and I wanted to give you just a little bit
of an idea. Uh. I lived in a city of
about fault thousand and uh into tourist town. So when
we have palten times, I have a lot more people
than not coming in. But uh, when we went to
(53:29):
count the census, uh, it was all volunteers except for
like maybe two people that were actually getting paid for it,
and uh the other everyone else and volunteers. And they're
about forty of us before a city of twelve thousand.
So yeah, you do the math. Hey, y'all take care.
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Thank you very much. By wow, first time, I didn't
know how many people were volunteering. Yeah, that's quite a
bit to get forty people to go out there and
and try and do the census. As we've discussed, it
is not the safest temporary position to have. Yeah, no, no,
not all the time. No, thank you for thank you
(54:11):
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thank you additionally to everybody who's written in with conversation
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about you, Matt but one thing that always impresses me
about our fellow listeners is that we have people who
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(54:35):
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And that's that kind of that kind of discourse is
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(54:57):
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My name is Matt Noel is on an adventure, but
we'll be returning soon. They called me Ben. We are
joined as always with our super producer Paul Mission controlled decond.
Most importantly, you are you. You are here, and that
makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Before
we dive into today's show, which is wed. It's pretty
(00:48):
interesting actually, one of those mysteries that we do have
an answer for. We want to give you a quick
update on some stuff we learned about COVID nineteen, the
novel coronavirus, which is currently uh sweeping the globe at
a pace uh comparable to k pop uh but much
(01:09):
more deadly. Yeah, that's right. And many of you know
we are in Atlanta, Georgia where we record this, and
this is one of the places, specifically Fulton County, one
of the major counties within the greater metropolitan area here
in Atlanta, UM it is experiencing a bit of an
outbreak including within the public school system. Right as we
(01:30):
were walking into record today, just this just this afternoon,
I had learned that Fulton County school systems are closing
for now just to sanitize the area. That's that's the
official line. No one knows how long they'll be closed for,
but they're doing so because a an employee was recently
(01:53):
confirmed to have coronavirus. At this point, uh, the US
still lags behind mind other countries in terms of testing.
Uh in you know, many people, including Vice reporter uh
and myself have been surprised going back through US customs
to find that they just let you in. Other countries,
(02:15):
by the way, are having much more extensive testing. Some
countries have mandatory fourteen day quarantines, which probably still isn't
long enough. Uh. So we want to hear from you
what what's happening COVID wise in your neck of the woods.
And I don't want to, you know, tell anyone's business here,
(02:36):
but mission control. Weren't you about to head over to Italy?
Are you still going? Okay? No, he is not. Okay,
that makes me feel a little safer. Yeah, well Italy
is actually they're they're also their death tolls Uh, their
death toll increased by a hundred and thirty three people.
Today it's March nine. As we record this, uh, and
(02:58):
around the world, we're seeing countries take different different approaches,
and many countries are getting in front of it. They're
sacrificing you know, uh, bad press, or they're taking a
hit with bad press to look overly prepared or pessimistic
or pragmatic. I would let's go that route every time,
(03:21):
absolutely absolutely, and uh, you know, mad I'm not gonna
name names, but there were a couple of people who
yet again implied that I was I was being paranoid
or overthinking it to uh just get a you know,
to revamp my bug out bag. But that's just what
I do when I get a new vehicle. Dude, if
(03:42):
anyone throws shade at your bug bug out bag, no
matter who you are out there or within this room,
that person is not your real friend. See I'm not
you know what though, I'm like very uh, I'm very
boy scout about it. My my bug out bag doesn't
have won anything illegal in it. Uh. And and to
(04:04):
sell an offense about this, but it doesn't have a
lot of the heavy stuff the other people my mind
is like you're stranded in the middle of nowhere, your
car breaks down or something, and you need to be
alive for seventy two hours. I don't think that's crazy.
That's not crazy at all. That's my entire trunk space
in my vehicle right now. Is did something go wrong?
Open the trunk? That's great. Yeah, yeah, it's a matter
(04:27):
of fact. Um. I was talking with a friend of
mine or main nameless this weekend and when it just
got back and uh, he was. He was telling me
about a kit he has for gunshot wounds to stitch
himself up. And I thought, you know, really, it's not
that's funny. No, no, no, but you know, we'd like
(04:49):
to also hear what what you're doing in reaction to
this in your neck of the Global Woods. Do you
feel like this is alarmism? Do you feel like people
are not making a big enough deal? Uh? Did you
already have a bug out bag? I hope you already.
We hope you already washed your hands normally. Yeah, that's
(05:10):
one of the weird things. You know. I did not
apply antibacterial before coming into this room, though I did.
Yeah you did? Yeah? Yeah, oh boy, I didn't. I
went home and a shower. I just covered myself in
hand sanitizer like Danny DeVito's character, and it's always sunny
in Philadelphia. Just slopped it on that maintenance people came over,
(05:32):
and you know, it would have been weird a few
weeks ago, but now they were like, we get it. Yeah,
as long as you didn't climb into a leather couch,
you know what I mean? Yeah, yeah, yeah, not not
quarantine yet. I swear. There's the last thing we we
were having this internal discussion here just about these microphone
covers that Ben and I are talking into right now.
(05:53):
There are these removable, uh just black mesh microphone covers,
and so many people use these studios now throughout the
day and just talk right here in close proximity to
these things. Um, if any of us gets sick, it
will be the on air talent, So I will know, Matt.
(06:15):
Since since our fellow listeners can't see the studio right
now and takes more pictures of it or something. Uh,
you and I a mission control as well. We keep
our mouths relatively far away from the mic in comparison
to some other people. And I just keep getting further.
Just are you guys, okay with me sounding like this
(06:36):
the whole episode. What do you think is that bad
for is that bad for business? Paul? Yeah? Okay, all right,
So before the world burns down, and while while we're
waiting for your questions, you're probably saying, Okay, I want
to tell you about my bug out bagger, I want
to tell you why uh then you're being crazy? Or
I want to tell you, um, I want to know
(06:57):
more about what's in your trunk. Matt. Whatever you're saying,
they're probably thinking, how do I how do I communicate
with you guys directly while you can find us and
a number of places. Uh, We're just the internet is
riddled with us. One thing that we we've started to
do is to give some Twitter shout outs, because Twitter is,
you know, uh, at its worst, it is a cesspool
(07:19):
of misinformation, and at its best it can help you
get around things like state censorship or mainstream media censorship.
It's an invaluable It's like fire, it's an invaluable tool
for the villains and the heroes. That's right throughout mythology,
which will come back into play later. Right. So I
don't know, Matt, you gotta you gotta Twitter shout out
you want to kick off, I do. I wanna give
(07:41):
a big shout out to Jeff who made a video
message and sent it to us, and he is only
wearing a hoodie because he's he's at a swim function
and it's cold, but uh but yeah, he's He sent
us a message about a company that he wants us
to look into, and we've already done some initial all
searching around about it. So thanks for sending that to us, Jeff.
(08:04):
No spoilers, huh spoilers or you can see what Jeff's
talking about on Twitter right if you follow us at
Conspiracy Stuff spelled like it sounds on Twitter. I also
want to give a shout out to Sarah at Sarah Allen,
who said, I love that you all covered the Jeff
Davis eight on your last episode. One point of contention,
Frankie Reachard's name is pronounced Reachard, not Richard. It's yeah, yeah, yeah,
(08:30):
yeah uh, and that's we. We appreciate that correction. You know,
proper nouns can always be a little bit tricky. We
also appreciate everybody who wrote in regarding the Jennings eight podcast.
We think it's an important story and it is a
mystery that is yet to be solved. So, without further ado,
on to today's episode. This is this is a weird one.
(08:54):
That's when we heard about a while back, but still
pretty recently when you look at this pan time as
a whole. But I guess everything humans are pretty recent
if you look at the span of time as a whole.
Earth is sort of a fad. What the new think.
Let's let's hope we stick around. Oh my god, what
are we gonna do? Hey, we had a good run.
(09:14):
Let's let's just let's look back while we can. There
we go, There we go. It reminds me of an
old joke in Spanish. Doesn't really translate to English, but
I'll keep that in mind. Yeah, keep that in mind. No,
it's about like what do you do if you're hanging
on a cliff and like there's a strawberry bush and
it's the only thing that's keeping you, but you see
(09:36):
the roots pulling out of the cliff. Anyway, that the
punch line is when they're like, what do you do
with the punch lines? You eat the strawberries. That's pretty good.
It's it's funnier in the original language all right, but
you're right, Matt, humanity. Let's look back while we can.
The more we learn about early humanity, the stranger our
collective story becomes right. We we know still that the
(09:57):
general pattern of human migration from the African continent throughout
the rest of the world still seems correct, still seems legit. Uh.
There there are tons of things that appear to confirm this. However,
recent research has revealed there is an entire mass. There's
(10:17):
a volume of other chapters that were missing from the
broad strokes of that story. We know now that a
lot of stuff, a lot of stuff that sounded crazy
or kookie back when many of us listening were children,
A lot of that stuff has been proven. We know
that our ancestors or you know, if your Homo sapien
(10:39):
or ancestors met mingold and may have interbred with multiple
other hominids, sort of the early mixtapes of what would
become humanity, things like Neanderthal's dennis Ovans were recent discovery
Homo florencias, the so called hobbits, and as a matter
of fact, wait, oh, I gotta say there was another
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kind of smaller early human like species discovered in the
Philippines as well. And recently, yeah, and really recently, uh,
there was a there there appears to be maybe another
ghost in the genetic code. In February twelve, we found
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reports that some West Africans may have genes from an
ancient what people are calling ghost hominid. And they found
this through genetic research. Uh. And and they've learned what
the DNA from this as of yet unidentified homin and
does it involves tumor suppression and regulation of hormones. All
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to say, all to say that we are very much
still in the early days of understanding exactly where we
came from. I'm just gonna go ahead and say this
and that ghost DNA. Come on, we all know what
that is. Yeah, that's extra trust rate. Come on, I
want it to be true, so so argently you know.
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Oh yeah, Well, and and here's the other thing. Just
when we're talking about this kind of stuff, if you're
a subscriber to the the theory, we will say it
is a theory of um evolution in the way that
you know, all or most of science believes in the
(12:28):
way like gravity is a theory. Yes, um, will you
realize that there are a ton of experimentations and combinations
that occurred through DNA where different things were produced than
what we understand as the model. Let's say Homo sapien, right,
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so many varying things must have been produced. Just that's
just the way it functions, and we maybe forget sometimes
that just because you don't have a specific skeleton of
a large group of hominin's the uh you know, like
a Dennis Ovan or something, doesn't doesn't mean that there
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aren't jumps in between there, or versions of a hominin
that is a Denisovan, slash um whatever. I'm because just
gonna use the intertal as an example, but I don't
know if the timelines match. I just mean, just because
you don't find a bunch of those bones somewhere doesn't
mean they didn't exist. It's a big stew a gumbo
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of humanoid d n a of comini d NA um
and that's you know, just as we just remember that
as we continue throughout today's episode genetic Gumbo. I love it.
Uh Yeah, So that the most recent discovery, just to
put that in perspective, if you're listening to this when
it comes out, like last month, we've found evidence of
another early thing that was very much like us, such
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that our ancestor could interbreed with it, meaning that whatever
this ghost in in the genetic machine is, it is
also part of us, and some of us listening today
are in a very real sense then part ghost until
we identify it. If you have your Uba or mende
Uh ancestry, then you have two to ninet of genetic
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material from this mysterious population. Yeah, and we don't know
what it is. It's a you know, quote missing link
right now between you know, whatever that genetic population was, right,
And we're not saying it's anything crazy. We're just we
just don't know yet. Yeah, So this is where we're at.
There is a fascinating argument to be made that Matt,
I know you and I have both gone back and
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forth over in the years between. It's about the relationship
between folklore and fact. Could all these recollections of those
ancient encounters have survived somehow through properly oral storytelling right
before the written word, and could they have inspired those
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age old legends of meeting sentient not quite human creatures
like things we think of as like trolls or or elves, goblins, dwarves,
and so on. Could could it happen? Maybe? Maybe that's
the thing. It's fascinating. There's no proof of this yet
and it would be very, very difficult to prove, but
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still that concept has encouraged conjecture, not just about the
um the greatest hits of supernatural sentient beings that we
named right now, but other stuff, you know, things, other
creatures that were thought to be sentient that have been
largely relegated to the land of legend and myth, namely giants.
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It's giants, yep, this is what's the old ominous biblical quote.
There were giants in those days, you know. Oh yeah,
I was thinking more f fo fum. Oh yeah, but
that's a good one too. Grind the bones to make
our bread. Yeah, Giants and cannibalism closely related throughout world folklore.
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Hey Ben, what do you say we take a quick
break and then get to the facts. Absolutely, here are
the facts. In several episodes, we have examined the concept
of ancient giants before, so if we're a full dive
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into this, do check out those earlier episodes, uh you.
One specific one would be the legend of the c Techka,
which is a Native American legend. No spoilers, but it's
worth your time. Oh, it definitely is. And also, just
to set this up front as well, you may have
at some point on a social media channel found images
(16:54):
of giants skeletal remains. Um just in our researching for
the sea Ic episode and a couple other past episodes.
Many of those, if not all of them, are photoshopped
and our bogus just putting that out there. There are, however,
reports coming out that we're going to talk about today
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of real, real discoveries that are out of the ordinary
when you're talking about the size of a skeleton. So yes, yes,
So let's let's also point out that not all of
those photos are necessarily modern hoaxes, right, absolutely shrouded turn style.
Well yeah, hundreds of years this kind of thing has
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been uh touted by I don't want to use the
word charlatan's by people who are just trying to build
you for some money, right yeah, And let's okay, So
we'll get this out of the way. This is this
is the factual part of the show, right, So this
is where we we have to be, uh, the paleontological
(17:57):
party poopers. Just for a bit long story short and
most of the episodes we've done regarding what we would
call giants, we found that the concept the giants of
the stories and the legends, the allegations can be attributed
to some some pretty mundane causes, and we wanted to
dive into one fascinating example. Tantalizing, I would say, because
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we can't we can't quite prove it, you know what
I mean, Like you can't like you can't get there.
But we're about sure, uh that this adds up, this
is a true story. Well, yeah, if you think about
stumbling across the remains of some creature that is unknown
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to you, that looks very different, it's pretty strange. You
look at those bones and you think, well, wow, that
looks kind of like a leg bone or or an
arm bone, and what is this skull? What on earth
is this? And what we're gonna talk about right now
is an example of finding a strange goal and maybe
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misattributing it to being some kind of humanoid creature. Yeah. Yeah,
we've misidentified bones from other animals. And what's fascinating here
is that In two thousand and three, geologists with the
University of Crets Natural History Museum named Charles Lampos fossilas
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of fassulas. He He noted that Greece and the Agan
we're once upon a time, millions and millions of years ago,
home to something called Dinotherium giganteum. The ballpark translation for this,
by the way, is huge terrible beasts. So, uh, this thing,
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we'll you understand now again, it's million millions of years ago,
eight or nine million years it is. It was a
distant relative to the modern elephant, but it was gigantic.
It was four point six meters tall or fifteen feet tall,
and it had these huge tusks. It was one of
the largest mammals to ever stroll around this fine planet
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of ours. And ancient people in that area, millions and
millions of years later, were almost certain to have encountered
at some point fossils of these creatures. And since those
people were very much like people of today, they did
just what you're describing that. They said, okay, let's let's
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get a let's wrap our heads around this. What is
this thing? All right? This is a leg bone, This
is huge. Whatever this thing was, it was huge. And
and we're talking about grease. We're talking about Grease Peninsula
and all of this. Yeah, very very smart culture in
many ways. Uh, and they tried to explain it through
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the lenses of their current understanding. Yes, through in this
case Greek in Roman mythology. And there's an author named
Adrian Mayer, and she argues that both of these groups,
um Greeks and Romans, that they saw this as possibly
evidence of some of the mythological creatures that were pre existing.
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And she wrote about this in her book called the
First Fossil Hunters Paleontology in Greek and Roman Times. Yeah. Yeah,
so we we know this was a common thing, not
just in Greco Roman times, and not just in that
part of the world, but in any part of the world.
Whenever humans find stuff, we are explainers, were classifiers, We
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want to be the smart ones in the room. Essentially,
there's this ancient story, this myth about this creature, and
now we found this real fossil. Well, let's let's connect
those things together right through the lens of our understanding,
because we have to realize that mythology, what we call
mythology now, was a very real way of looking at
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the world and explained a lot of stuff and plus
at a benefit, a lot of mythology is inextricably intertwined
with predictions of the movements of the heavens, So this
stuff seems real, right. So there's an archaeologist named Thomas
Strasser who agrees with Adrian Mayor's writing, and he said, specifically,
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you'll never be able to test this idea in a
scientific fashion. But the ancient Greeks were farmers, and they
would certainly have come across fossil bones like this from
this huge, terrible, terrible, huge beasts, and they would try
to explain them, and they didn't have a concept of
the theory of evolution, so it makes sense to this
archaeologist that they would reconstruct them in their minds as
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things like giants, monsters, sphinxes and so on, and that
I know dying too. For anyone who hasn't heard us
telegraphing this, uh like for minutes, now, well, what was
the what was the money on? What what did these
people think that Dinatherium giganteum was. Well, if you've never
(23:08):
seen a Dinatherium giganteum skull, I recommend if you can
search for it right now before I spoil it for you. Okay,
hopefully you're not driving or if you're in a tesla
like do little vocal command thing or whatever. I don't
know how new cars work. Uh, a cyclops, and that
might be a little bit bit surprising. Wait, you're saying,
(23:30):
as an elephant like creature, right, have two eyes? Yeah,
and they do have two eyes. But what they also
have if you're just looking at the bones, the skull
is a giant, giant centered nasal passage right right, And
these skulls clearly differ from the skulls of modern Asian
or African elephants. That nasal passage is huge, and it
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does kind of look like the where you would put
a monstrous eye, especially if you thought may be where
the actual eye holes are are ear holes, eye holes,
eye sockets. Sorry, oh yeah, you're right, dude, you're right.
The eye sockets really do look like it would be
where the ears are because they're separated. They're they're separated
through the way bird eye bird eye sockets are separated
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on the sides of the face. Anyhow. Yeah, so the
cyclops can't prove it a hundred percent, but we're pretty
sure it was the misidentified skull of this monster elephant,
and the monster elephant itself is scary enough, right, so
and so cool. I wonder if it was as intelligent
as elephants are today. You know, it was at least
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the the precursor. You can totally Oh wow, it's creepy looking.
It's a bruiser. Yeah, man, it could. It could wreck
somebody with those tusks. So a lot of monsters in folklore,
as uh irritating is is to say a lot of them,
not all of them, but a lot of them were
the result of misidentified postles. Were things we attempted as
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a species to explain. Second, and going to your earlier
pointment about about photoshop, one mundane explanation for giants in
general is unethical reporting from muck breaking newspapers and other
media going back a long time and and also going
(25:22):
forward a long time, pretty recently here in the United States.
You know, you've probably heard tell as we would say
in Tennessee, even if you're not from the U S.
You've you've heard stories about the late nineteenth century in
early twentieth century discoveries, you know, the eighteen hundreds discoveries,
where there would be a reporter with a breathless claim
(25:43):
that somewhere out there in the desert in in the
lawless lands that we're not quite states. Uh, someone had
found bizarre, huge skeletons. They're tied into the myth of
the American West, right, the pre European existence. So far
are none of those claims have been proven. If you're
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talking about like a twenty foot tall giant, right, yeah,
and and again you've probably seen those images. Again they
are they're convincing, but faked. And well, here's the other
thing we noticed when we were talking about this previously
on these episodes. There's there are a ton of people
out there who believe the storyline that someone somewhere either
(26:30):
at the Smithsonian or the Natural History Museum or some
other organizations, the Vatican and just roll out the red carpet. Well, yeah,
that these bones were recovered, these these ancient remains were
recovered and sent off to one of these institutions, and
then that institution is then hiding it from the public,
right right. And the big question there would be motive,
(26:52):
Why why would they do that? Even even if it
were plausible for that to happen, And it's it's possible,
I guess technically it's possible, But again then it is
a big leap from possible to plausible. Also, why would
they do it? That's that's the piece of the puzzle
that we have to we have to solve if we
want to engage with that that theory um. And what
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you'll hear is that it's too hide the true nature
of humanity, right right, And this ties in a little
bit with some some cryptozoologists will argue something like that, right,
but not on air, what do you mean? But not
on air anyhow? Anyhow So, and we'll get back to
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that later on in today's show. Just to hold it
in your head, bracket, I mean, don't tattoo yourself with that,
but you know, remember it for the next few minutes.
So we know, with the notable exception of the citecha,
a lot of those things turn out to be legends
or hoaxes. And then, of course there is the third,
(27:57):
the third common cause that we we have found sound,
and it's a it's a personal one for a lot
of people, and therefore it being a personal one is
something that I it's personal in a way that I
don't think other people should intrude upon, by which I
mean some accounts of giants come from ancient religious sources,
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or text, and this can lead modern adherents of these
sources or text or belief systems to accept those stories
because they're part of the faith system or the belief
system that they have. You know, especially when you get
to UH people who have literal interpretations of things rather
than metaphorical or figurative UH. This this means that in
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order to practice their belief system, they have to believe
everything that is involved. Right. One example of having to
accept everything, all part and parcel of a belief system
would be something like the belief in Jin. For for
many people who consider themselves, you know, astute and committed
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followers of of the belief system with Jen, like of Islam.
There there are people who say, well, you have to
believe in Jin because it's in the Koran. You know,
it's the and by far one of the coolestar in
my opinion, appearances in the Koran. You know, creatures of
(29:29):
Smokeless Fire. You know, it's incredible. And you have a
podcast or you have a you've been involved with the
podcast about that, Right, you almost set it up perfectly
because it's a show all about Jinn. And I think
people will be very surprised by the show and it's
not out yet, Ben, but it will be out at
some point this year. Okay, that's what I'm what are
(29:52):
you says, I'm personally very excited for. So so there
we have. And additionally, when we encounter to the world
of faith and religion, there could be a situation in
which giants are ascribed some sort of supernatural power, whether
just because of their descent from a divine or otherwise
(30:13):
supernatural being, or because it's just part of the other
thing that makes them not quite human. Right, And if
they're supernatural, then that means logically the natural rules don't
apply to them. So why would you try to codify
these things in human terms? Right? If they are agents
of the infernal or agents of the divine. So there
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you have. Those are three reasons we've We've done several
episodes in this We've had three reasons. Misidentification, purposeful hoaxes,
um religious accounts. We didn't we didn't even not yet.
Yeah and uh, and we talked about that in earlier episode.
So this may leave a lot of us and are
fellow listeners going bummer? So all these giant at myths
(31:01):
are bogus. I'm turning this episode off The big secret,
the giant secret about giants is it's a giant hoax.
You guys are terrible. Everything is terrible. I'm gonna throw
my phone. I'm gonna place it on the ground and
just be upset about it and wait for the COVID. Yeah,
don't worry. We didn't say that yet. We did not
(31:23):
say that these are all focus. What are we talking about.
I'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. Here's
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(31:45):
at least in China. Right, it's crazy. We see breaking news.
Mean back in July, and we spent some time tracing
down this story. We can verify this story. We'll get
into it anyway. July not too long ago. Right. The
story came to us from China's Sinua News agency, and
(32:08):
they reported that these archaeologists had discovered the remains of
five thousand year old community in eastern China, and the
members of this community, we have the bones, we have
the proof. It didn't disappear. The Smithsonian doesn't have it
yet or whatever. These people appeared to be mhm giants, giants.
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They were described as giants. They were described as giants giants, yes, uh,
so we looked to Fenghui, who is the head of
the Shendong University School of History and Culture. And if
you look through the reporting, we talked about tracing this
story because you will find it in like thirty different
(32:52):
publications English written publications. That's pretty much the same story,
just kind of copied over, right, So we went to
the We went to the primary sources, yes, exactly, We
got to the original one. So uh Feng We describes
how since two thousand and sixteen, a group of archaeologists
have been excavating the ruins of a hundred and four houses,
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two five graves, and twenty sacrificial pits in this village.
That ben, I'm gonna let you pronounce you at least no, no,
I don't know the tones. Uh, I don't know. That's
way better than what I would say. Mandarin speakers are
going to punish us, and right least, so let us
know how to pronounce it. You can find us on Twitter,
(33:36):
and I would say Jane Qui or jeong jong Shu district. Yeah,
and that's uh near the capital of shan Dong. These
relics are from something a Neolithic era in a community
called the long Sean culture and it's uh, it's in
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the middle kind of er reaches of the Yellow River.
And they named the culture after a nearby mountain, Mountain
Long Tronk. This area, as far as we can tell,
was a cultural powerhouse. It was a center of politics, economy,
and of course politics and economy uh, closely related with
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religions at this time, arguably still today, closely related with religions.
So they also found ruins of ditches, clay embankment's, they
found tons of a coutrement and uh, you know, status symbols,
jade pottery, all the hits, all the hits. And since
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this was a cultural center, these people here again described
as giants, lived pretty well. They had separate bedrooms and kitchens.
We know that they had a solid diet too, pretty consistently,
which was super important to this story. Yeah, you're eating
millet their primary in there. They're also eating some pork,
some pigs some cases. They are also these giant graves
(35:06):
where pig bones and pig teeth were found. And well,
let's talk just quickly about the archaeologists and this job
and putting together you know, the the ideas here, like, oh,
the ruins that we found are definitely places houses that
had separate bedrooms, and we know that because of the
way they were set up. Um, that's a that to
(35:28):
me is almost magic being able to see with a
lens like understand having such a deep understanding of the
history of archaeology, the history of humanity, to be able
to look at something like that and figure that stuff
out and and put together those pieces of Oh, there's
millet in this layer of the soil where all of
(35:49):
this other stuff is preserved. There's a lot of millet here,
and there's all these pig bones, Like we could kind
of see what these people lived like, right, right, And
a lot of work goes in TwixT very difficult process. Uh.
At the end of at the end of this episode,
I am going to make uh maybe a somewhat controversial
(36:10):
maybe my thought experiment, But archaeologists are working diligently around
the world and around the clock, and they are discovering
things and having to prove them. You know, seven ways
to sundown, six ways to Sunday, whatever you want to say.
So this discovery is amazing for these archaeologists is a motherload,
is a watershed moment. It fills in what what has
(36:34):
been described as a cultural blank from about four thousand,
five hundred to five thousand years ago. So for about
five hundred years there are these giants. At least five
hundred years. You know, the math gets sketchy and fuzzy.
The further back now here is the part most of
us have been waiting for, the big question, the dinotherium
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giganteum in the room. If you will, just how big
were these people? I mean, Matt, if we genuinely do
have physical evidence of real life giants, what exactly do
we mean when we say giant? Oh buddy, let me
tell you. Are you ready for this? Let me scoot
(37:16):
to the edge, hold on, hold onto something. Okay, here
he goes. They were between one point eight meters and
two meters tall. So can you America that for me
real quick? Sure? Um, let's see one mem is around
three feet yeah, okay, so that would be five nine
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ish five eleven two six two maybe six six if
we're reaching six six on the out, yeah, on the outside. Right.
Oh man, Well, that's a that's a little bit of
a letdown. Have we have we taken our fellow conspiracy
realist and a bit of a shaggy dog's sorry, well,
(38:01):
I mean you know dogs are great. Yes, the answer
is yes. They found uh that that height as weird.
We'll get to Taller men were found buried in larger graves,
and this could be due to them having a higher status,
uh socio politically. It could also be due to them
(38:21):
having access to better food. We know there was a
lot of inviting their sacrificial pits. There are people who
have clearly died by violence in such a violent way
that you can tell just by looking at their bones.
You don't even need the rest of the body. Someone
someone mopped them in an aggressively brutal way. So this
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height is noteworthy at the higher end in most parts
of the world. Right in our previous episode, we said,
you know, the shortest average height will tend to me
women in the Philippines, tass average height is gonna tend
to be males in a certain European Northern European countries. Still,
for most people, if you see someone who's six ft
(39:02):
six inches tall, you're going to think, well, that's not
not worthy. But that's not the tallest person I've ever
heard of, and it's probably not even the tallest person
I've ever seen, especially if I have a television, Like
just to kick the stats today, the average height of
a professional basketball player in the United States is six
(39:23):
ft seven inches tall. Yeah, the average mail is five
ft nine inches tall, which is still kind of in
the lower end of where this community of giants was discovered, right, Yeah,
I mean I'm walking out at slightly above that average height,
and i feel like I'm shorter than most people. So
you know, that's just how how it goes. But but
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here's the big question, really is, well, what gives is
there some kind of comparison to the surrounding population or
the people of the time where I mean, it's like
it's tough because we don't have a lot of information
to go on. We're talking about filling in really a
time hole here, right, a cultural time whole. So you
(40:08):
don't have a ton of people to others to compare
this to, Right, So how do we explain this characterization
of ancient giants? Here's the thing, the people in the
surrounding communities, we're actually shorter. So while these mysterious giants
might seem kind of unremarkable today, make a mistake. They
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were towering over their contemporaries in adjacent communities. If you
saw a bunch of these folks running at you in
your village, in your you know, your area, you would
freak out because they were huge, and you know, hopefully
they're in a good mood. And the assumption there as well,
(40:49):
they must be stronger than me. They at least have
probably more weight on me. Um, and definitely reach boxing rules. Well, yeah,
but you know we're with a weapon or whatever you're
dealing with at that time. Um. And here's the thing.
We don't have extremely great numbers on the average height
of the people in surrounding communities, but we do know
(41:10):
the average height of Europeans at the same time, and
that is around five ft five inches or one point
six seven meters, So that's a full that would be
a full foot uh foot a foot and an inch
above if you're talking about the six six individual there.
So the people in this culture, in this community were
(41:34):
on average going to be much taller. So we can
also take the example of Confucius, perhaps one of the
most famous proven factual historical figures from this region. Uh
Confucius was around five to b C. He was described
(41:58):
anywhere from about one point nine meters tall, which is,
you know, six is feet tall, right, Uh, to other
accounts that have him, uh nine ft and six inches tall. Yeah.
We we have an excerpt from a book called Confucius,
(42:19):
His Life and Thought, and in here we're we're just
gonna describe that. I'm just gonna give you a quote here,
and it says, according to the historical records, Confucius was
nine ft six inches tall, a height which seems to
have been regarded as quite unusual. The measures of the
measures of length of the Han dynasty were shorter than
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those now in use. The height of a normal adult
was about seven ft, that of a tall person eight feet.
Thus a height of nine ft six inches indicated something
of a giant, and that certainly would. But if you know,
if you changed it over, I guess you'd be reducing
by about two feet there. So then we have another
(43:01):
issue with classification. We can't just accept the assumption that
what we call a foot meant the same thing right
the same way we can't really accept what a giant was.
So while these people would certainly have been intimidating, they
were not as far as we know, ten feets all
in the way that we today understand feet. That's gonna
(43:24):
sound so weird out of context, we today in the
way that we today understand feet. Uh hashtag no Tarantino
or whatever that that that that creepy guy from all
the Nickelodeon shows. Do you know what I'm talking about?
Creepy guy from all the Nickelodeon shows. There is a
(43:46):
longstanding series of frankly troubling rumors about a very successful
showrunner for Nickelodeon named Dan Schneider, and the allegations are
that he has a weird foot thing that makes its
(44:07):
way onto the air. I have heard about that, and
these are you know, these are child actors. Oh, I
haven't done a lot of digging into this. I don't
I don't know that. I don't know, Um that I
haven't done digging into this. Then, of course, you know,
is difference between the court of public opinion and in
that rumor and then an actual quart or investigation. But
(44:30):
we'll we'll look at we'll look into it. Uh, let's
get back to the way more comfortable version of feet.
We're talking a rut here. Yeah, So there's one other
questions when we don't have a definitive answer to what
made these people so tall? Right, why were they literally
head and shoulders over the adjacent communities. Right. Researchers theorized
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that at least the men in the community grew to
these comparatively uh soaring height because they were high status
individuals who had access to better food than most of
their contemporaries. If you want to see a real life
version of this at play now while you are alive,
check out the height comparisons between people born on the
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Korean Peninsula before. Maybe, like some of the eighties babies
who would have been developing during the famines of the
nineties of the nineteen nineties, they have because of malnutrition.
This this population, this genetically homogeneous has discernible, easily visible
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differences in average height. So maybe it was just maybe
it was the food. Uh. We know that the nature
of the burials suggests that these people, these occupants, these giants,
were wealthy. Uh. And then it's also suggests that there
was some grave robbery, uh, grave cases of grave robbery,
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because pottery and artifacts have been found within the tombs
were uh sometimes not even not even stolen, just deliberately broken.
Someone came in and just smashed it. So there is
a story there that's as of yet unwritten and maybe
as a revolt of some kind. Yeah, yeah, again like
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the CTKA. You know. So this is one of the
weirdest parts about this. These giants are still around sort of.
The people living in Shandong now still consider their height
to be a defining attribute of their region and their communities,
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and weirdly enough, this belief appears to be true. It
appears to be confirmed. Yeah, the average height of men
aged eighteen in Shandong was one point seven five three
ms or around seven something like that. Yeah, yeah, with
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the natural national average around one point seven two ms.
So again, it's like it's like there were real giants,
but we just kind of explained away, like any kind
of supernatural reasoning behind them, right, we don't have we
don't have a solid again proof. It's very difficult to
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try to guest estimate those causes five thousand years ago,
but it does appear there were real giants. It's just,
you know, as we said, a giant back then wasn't
the same thing like usually, and we can't speak for
everyone usually nowadays. When you think of giants were like
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ten ft as a minimum as a minimum giant. But
that's just I think that's just our version of something
that would be unbelievable for it to be naturally occurring. Right,
Just ten ft is so beyond what we've observed, you
just go, wow, Yeah, that's definitely something else that's going
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on here. That's just not some kind of genetic combination
that just happened to get ten ft. We should also
point out, yeah, really good point that these people were
healthy and normal. They did not seem to be suffering
from the genetic condition that affected Wadlow. They didn't suffer
from gigantism. It reminds me of So I was in
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the city of London a while back. You remember this,
and I saw the Tower of London. Yeah, and I
fell non plus and I had to remember it was
like at the time this was built, first towers were
much more difficult to construct, and they wouldn't have there.
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Of course, it wouldn't be as tall in comparison as
say London Bridge, or as tall as you know, multiple
other multiple other buildings in the area. Now you have
to put yourself back in that mindset. So back then,
a tower it was like the Tower of London was
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its huge And I'm not denigrating it. It's an historically
significant building. It's just I don't know what I was expecting.
You know, as a kid, all I heard about is
there was a tower, there were ravens, their special guards
called beef eaters, and get there and you're like, oh, okay,
this isn't This is a very very old building, especially
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for US Yankees, and uh, you know, towers were different,
so it's kind of the same thing. Giants were different
in this part of the world. It unless, okay, here's
the unless, Matt, there really is some sort of overarching
generational conspiracy to repress evidence of actual giants, in which case,
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the discovery of these suppressed remains would be, without a doubt,
one of the largest expose s in human history. Here's okay,
here's my all right. Oh yeah, Matt's crossing his arms
because you know you're about to get like a story, right,
I'll keep it short, but here's my argument. So we
know we know that stuff disappears. I really appreciate your
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earlier point about how difficult it is to find things,
especially organic matter, because Earth is alive. It's hungry, you know,
like they're still there. Not only have we discovered in
the courts of the show that there are genuine lost
cities and civilizations, but we we we also discovered that
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many of those things are going to be lost to history,
especially in depending on the environment or biom there in.
Like if you if you have a lost civilization in
a jungle, man jungles eight human things and they do
it very quickly. Yeah, and all of the things that
humans create, that's really what you're saying. But yeah, it's
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not just the human it's the all the stuff they
put together, and they thought, oh, this is gonna be
great and last forever. Oh no, no no. So then
it is again, it is possible that there could have
been an isolated population of even larger things, since you
hominins of some sort, and maybe again there's a lot
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of ifs here, uh, and maybe let's say they were
in a very aggressive biome like that that we're in
a jungle or something, and then they just the earth
ate them. Between the time that they expired and the
time our versions of people came along. It is possible.
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Tell us why because we really feel like it's possible. Um,
because of just the evidence we've seen has been just
outlined there in our research that stuff happens, that the
the hungry nature of nature. Um, it is very very true.
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it would take to count the homeless in one day,
and I wanted to give you just a little bit
of an idea. Uh. I lived in a city of
about fault thousand and uh into tourist town. So when
we have palten times, I have a lot more people
than not coming in. But uh, when we went to
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count the census, uh, it was all volunteers except for
like maybe two people that were actually getting paid for it,
and uh the other everyone else and volunteers. And they're
about forty of us before a city of twelve thousand.
So yeah, you do the math. Hey, y'all take care.
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Thank you very much. By wow, first time, I didn't
know how many people were volunteering. Yeah, that's quite a
bit to get forty people to go out there and
and try and do the census. As we've discussed, it
is not the safest temporary position to have. Yeah, no, no,
not all the time. No, thank you for thank you
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for you're putting in your civic duty, you know. And
thank you additionally to everybody who's written in with conversation
about the census. One thing that always I don't know
about you, Matt but one thing that always impresses me
about our fellow listeners is that we have people who
are even if they disagree with each other online, they're
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walking through each other's perspectives, you know what I mean.
And that's that kind of that kind of discourse is
something that I think. Um, I'm not saying we're we're great,
but our listeners are exercising the kind of discourse that
I would like to see happen in in paid media pundance,
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you know what I mean. For sure, maybe maybe if
if a story is big, if it's a big story
on the news, is a global event, I don't know,
maybe push the commercial off. Maybe maybe spend more than
six minutes on it. Oh god, the next headline old
man shouts at sky, shakes fist, curses son. Well, that's
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