July 10, 2021 • 47 mins
Over the course of his career with NASA, legendary astronaut Buzz Aldrin changed the course of human history. From his groundbreaking work with EVA techniques to his walk on the moon with Apollo 11 mission commander Neil Armstrong, Buzz Aldrin has seen and done astonishing things. In 2018, news outlets claimed Buzz Aldrin had one more astonishing achievement under his belt, an event kept secret until the modern day: Apparently, he had seen a UFO in space.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So, like a lot of people in the audience today,
when we were growing up, at one point or another,
we all kind of wanted to be an astronaut. It's
just a really it's a really cool job. And when
you think of exploring space, if you listen to a
show like stuff, they don't want you to know, you
have to ask yourself what astronauts see when they're up
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there in orbit. That's where buzz Aldrin comes in. Yeah,
buzz Aldrin comes in in a big way because he
and two other dudes allegedly or very much in reality,
went to the moon and they got to step on
that puppy, see what it's like. Don't step on puppies,
But they got to step on the moon yep. And
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buzz Aldrin would go on to be a pretty interestingly
outspoken uh character, UM saying some things that that led
to some pretty interesting speculation and really fed the conversation
around um, what could be going on out there? Yeah?
What was he allowed to say? What wasn't he allowed
to say? Did he slip up? Is that what we're
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talking about in this episode? You'll have to find out here.
It comes from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.
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Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined
as always with our super producer Paul Mission Control decond,
which will be a very appropriate name for today's episode.
Most importantly, folks, thanks for dropping in. You are you,
and you are here and that makes this stuff they
don't want you to know. A quick question there for
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all of us and then everyone listening as well. When
you were a kid, did you ever think of being
an astronaut when you grew up? I thought of nothing else.
We have we have talked about the fact that everyone
went to space camp and me and you got your shirt.
It was too small, I know I saw that. Sorry,
but we can cut it up and turn it into
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something else. It's called to give it to my child.
There you go, and maybe maybe it'll get her to
aspire to go to space camp on our own one day.
Oh yeah, And to your point, to your point, definitely
being an astronaut, thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that,
I think that's a dream of a lot of people. Absolutely,
it's a dream job. I mean, just imagine, you literally
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go where almost no one has ever gone before, and
no matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might seem
to the contemporary public, in a very real way, if
you are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path to
the stars. Even if you're the world's worst astronaut, which
I think we talked about on the previous I mean,
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even being the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch, right, right,
it's still pretty good. Yeah, but all the other astronauts know,
because I'm sure think there's a list. Do you think
they keep tabs like Steve is the worst one? I hope.
So I've been you know, we've talked about this off air.
I've been obsessed with this idea for a while, the
idea that somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut, and
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because it's such a small group or a small community,
everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're
getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like,
all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh uh,
one more thing. Uh, Derek's going to be on the
squad and they're all like, he's always opening his diet
coke and zero gravity gets everywhere, It gets all on
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the instruments and stuff. It's not a pretty scene. Always
hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's an
astronaut and then trying to get a discount. I mean,
a very few can actually use that pickup line and
be speaking the truth. So okay, we'll give Steve that
that's true. That's true. Steve and Derek sound like they
are in a contest. I always picture the world's worst
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astronaut is Derek. But right in and let us know
what you think the world's worst astronaut. Where do you think? Oh,
he's near the top. He's a good as a good one. Yeah,
because the level of entry is just so high to
be an astronaut. Uh. And you know, to be absolutely fair,
the difference in degree between the worst and the best
here is hopefully very small. Yes, they've got high standards,
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But today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about
one of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.
Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene Aldrin, Jr.
But you know, buzz. That's cool. Objectively cooler, agreed, objectively cooler.
That's part of the that's part of what they look
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for in astronauts, right. He was born on January twenty,
nineteen thirty, in Montclair, New Jersey. His father was a
colonel in the US Air Force. UH encouraged his interest
in flight from a very very young age, so much
so that he graduated high school one year early, attended
the Military Academy at West Point, where he earned a
BS and mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation.
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He flew F eighty six sabers and sixty six combat
missions and shot down two m I G s. He
was decorated with Distinguished Flying Cross. He flew F one
hundreds in Germany, and then he went back to school,
earned a doctorate in science in astronautics at m I
T and wrote this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous. That's
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pretty darn cool, man. I'm not impressed, not yet. Just
wait right, okay. In nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him
to become an astronaut, one member of their third Group
of Astronauts. What a crazy time that must have been,
Its lad, We've got this new job. See where he
shoot you up into space. We're gonna try and put
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you on the moon maybe if that's cool. Actually, know,
it doesn't matter you're doing it anything. They may not
have told him, you know, but obviously this is what
you wanted to imagine getting a degree in astronautics at
that day and age in the sixties. Now I have
a question. I know nasays it's an independent agency or organization.
It's not connected directly to the military, but do astronauts
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have like the are they commanders? Do they get orders
when they're given a mission? Is it like you get
court martialed as an astronaut. Yeah, this is a good
question because they can have a number of ranks or positions.
There might be a mission specialist who has a scientific
acumen that's needed, but there's gonna be a pilot, a commander,
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a command module pilot. It changes, I think depending on
the mission or the program. So like in Mercury, in
the Mercury program they just had a pilot, and Gemini
they had a command pilot and a pilot. And then
if you go to things like the Space Shuttle, there's
a payload commander, there's a flight engineer, yeah. Actually, I
just look this up. It looks like there are military astronauts,
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but they're technically is a funny term, on loan to NASA,
and they're still held to the standards of their particular
branch um of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for example.
That's fascinating. That makes sense though, because there's not enough
of a demand for people, right, we don't have enough
spaceships to to justify NASA having its own military branch
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yet hopefully. So. Yeah, he becomes an astronaut and he
gets another kick ass nickname. This guy is so nickname rich.
He gets the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Yeah, that's awesome. By
the way, Buzz came from his sister couldn't pronounce brother
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and and pronounced it buzzer, and so that's where buzz
came from. I was thinking he might have gotten it
when he was a fighter pilot, head haircutter something. Now
he's Dr Buzz Rendezvous, which is up there with Mantis Tobogan,
you know, as you just pull that one out of
the ether that's always sunny in Philde. I don't know that.
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Uh yeah, Mantis Tobogan is a great one. Also a
doctor I believe Uh. Yeah. He was the first astronaut
with a doctorate. That's why he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous.
Additionally here in this nickname because he created the docking
and rendezvous techniques for spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit. These
were mission critical for the success of the Gemini and
Apollo programs, because you know, once you get people into space,
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they need to be able to rendezvous and dock with things. Well, yeah,
and especially if they're going to send part of the
ship down to the Moon and then get that ship
that part back up to the main ship and then
get out of there. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point.
I mean, that's crazy stuff. You think about the math
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behind that, and I just melt away and you can't
you can't find me for several days. Just the precision
involved and everything has to be just so, the timing
has to be absolutely perfect. Nothing can go wrong. I know.
I just think the heavens literally that Doctor Rendezvous was around.
Doctor was Rendezvous. That's what If we get him on
the show, do you think he'll let us call him
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Dr Rendezvous or is that like a term only other
astronauts can use. He might make a face. Have you
seen his face. He makes a pretty intense stink face.
Oh yeah, he is. He is not reticent about exhibiting
his displeasure because you know, why does he need to
why does he need to play nice? He's done at all. Man,
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He's been on the moon. He's kind of untouchable. He can.
He could get away with a lot of stuff. Now,
he could put out a bad New Age spiritual album
and people would still say, you know what, it's not
my favorite music. But he has been on the moon.
Can we talk about the fact that he pioneered a
ton of the training to techniques used to train astronauts, Like,
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you know, you always see them training for zero gravity
work in these giant pools. That was his idea. That
his idea. He yeah, he did the underwater training techniques.
He also performed the world's first successful space walk, which
if you notice, there's a weird caveat in there, the
world's first successful spacewalk. Uh. This was on the Gemini
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twelve orbital mission in nineteen sixty six. He set a
new e v A extra vehicular activity record of five
and a half hours. And also he took the first
selfie in space. Yeah he did. I love this guy.
Just thinking about that. I really like this dude. He
I wish he was like my grandpa. Oh man, grand
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grandpa Buzz. Yeah, let me sit on his knee, tell
me tales of space exploration, adventure. Teach you, teach you
the complex science of trajectories and grow gravity explained the
calculus of space talking. I would probably be a lot
smarter if Buzz alternated than my grandpapa. I would, you know,
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even beyond a familiar relationship. I want to just have
him in my crew. So when I take group pictures,
it could be like, oh, there's there's there's the gang.
Oh who's that. Oh that's Dr Rendezvous. Yeah, and he's
just in the back. He's not even paying attention, chilling,
He's got aviators on. He's running the numbers man. Yeah,
he's running the numbers. He can perfectly throw things into
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trash cans in an office from across the hall. Anyway.
That's that's all awesome and pales in comparison to this
stuff that he did, especially on July twenty nine, that's
the big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong made
their historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the moon.
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He took the giant steps for mankind in that warehouse
in burbank Um, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe maybe
we should do an episode on that in the future.
We always talk about that, fellow conspiracy realists. There are
a couple of episodes that we always kick around off
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air and say we're going to get to one day.
Let us know if you would like to explore the
Stanley Kubrick faking the moon landing. Yeah, we did that
episode on the movie, the movie that we watched where
it's fictionalized it was I remember that was a good one.
But for the purposes of this episode, let's operate as
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though this were a real thing that actually in fact happened. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll we'll table that. We're tabling all the moon shenanigans
lunar shenanigans for a future episode. But we do want
to hear from you. Let us know what you think
about this. We are conspiracy How stuff works dot Com
a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated six
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hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was the
largest television audience and history at the time, and when
Buzz and Co returned. They received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Over the rest of his life post lunar landing, um
buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons
of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him.
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He has a creator on the moon named after him. Uh.
He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly,
it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche. That
was the movie. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And do
check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
It was pretty good. But uh, he is still an
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advocate for space exploration. And again you know he he
went on the moon. But there's more to the story,
you see more and more people in sources will tell
you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin and his colleagues
didn't just see lunar rocks and mooned us. They believe
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instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts, saw something startling,
an inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged, could fundamentally change
our species understanding of the space around our planet and
the universe as a whole. Are you saying buzz Aldrin
saw some sort of life form we'll be back after
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a word from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy.
According to several different sources, yes, buzz Aldrin allegedly saw
a UFO in space. You have if you, if you
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have any interest in stories of astronauts and stories of
space exploration, we are certain that you have seen this
pop up in your maybe your news feed wherever you
get your news, or heard about it on a forum
or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw a UFO. Yes,
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and this is not the first time that it was reported,
but the latest iteration of something like this came on
April eight. Yeah, it was a British tabloid called The
Daily Star, and they reported that buzz Aldron and three
other astronauts, Gordon Cooper, edgar Mitchell and al Warden, they
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participated in this study. And we'll get into what the
study actually was, but a study that revealed buzz Aldron
as well as some of these other guys, had in
fact seen some kind of bizarre object or unexplainable phenomena
in space. Right with a specific quote attributed to Dr Rendezvous,
which I'm just I'm going to have to call him
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for the rest of this show. Okay, uh say, Allegedly
he said there was something out there that was close
enough to be observed, sort of l shaped. Yeah, yeah,
we'll talk about that attribution, like you said. Yeah, so
we'll tell us a little bit about what what went
down there, what's the skinny, what's the scoop? Okay, So
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the test that they participated in was a different kind
of Lie detector test and not the one that you
might be familiar with if you watch C. S I
shows and things like that that monitors your specific biometrics
of your body, your sweat, your what your heart beat,
your heart rate, and things like that. Um, let's let's
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just get into it. So I'm gonna read some of
the some couple of little quotes here from the article.
It definitely states that those four astronauts took part and
they all passed this whatever this version of a lie
detector test was, and the experts say that, um, the
results show and that these experts are completely convinced that
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signs of alien life were actually seen by these gentlemen.
It was conducted at this place called the Institute of
Bioacoustic Biology, you Albany, Ohio, according to the article, and
it says they carried out complex computer analyzes of the
astronauts voice patterns as they told of their close encounters.
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So that's that's how they're looking at these And something
that's really important to talk about. Two of those astronauts
that they looked at, edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper when
they performed this test. These guys are deceased. Yeah, they're dead.
So the story is at the very least coming from
a misleading a misleading base because the way it's written,
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it implies that the astronauts are being analyzed in real
time or that they were speaking to the people conducting
the study, and that is not that. That is not
the case. And here is something of great convenience. Here's
another quote from the article. Although the technology is still
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top secret, these studies are claimed to be or reliable
than current lie detector tests and could soon replace those
used by the FBI and police. Top secret. Huh, yeah,
it's top secret lie detector technology. And Albany, Ohio at
the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology. Things can be secret, but
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they can't really be top secret unless they're classified that
way by a government. Yeah, and you're not going to
have somebody writing anywhere, especially in the Daily Star, about
something that is top secret. I guess a lot of
non government agencies use the phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology.
That makes a lot of sense for what this could be.
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And we'll get into what it is in a second. Wait,
so do you wanna do you want to talk about bioacoustics?
You want to hang on for a second. Yeah, let's
jump into bioacoustics. Okay, you sounds thrilled, man, It's okay.
I'm I'm interested in this stuff and I want to
know if there's any I don't know basis for what
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what the things what these people are claiming, but as
of right now, OCAM's razor is pointing me in an
unfortunate direction. Let's just say, Okay, you can go to
bioacoustic Research dot com and you can learn about the
Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in Northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see.
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It's an independent research studio and it's currently working on
projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay, so that's that's interesting. Um.
It has references to the high radiation levels present in
the sky, and let's see, if you go down on
the website a little bit. You can see pictures of
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the studio that they've got here there. They're recording studio essentially,
and it looks fine, it looks cool, but it looks
like somebody's house for sure. And then if you continue
going down the rabbit hole, you'll find a thing called
sound health Portal dot com that is also related to
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this bio acoustic biology website. But the we should also
plan on to be fair. Just because something's operating out
of someone's house doesn't de legitimize it. Oh no, absolutely
does not delegitimize it. Thank you for pointing that out then,
But it's um It doesn't give it the same gravitass
as if there is spending by the government for anything
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like this. It doesn't show that there's a large number
of people probably working on this project. It's probably a
very small number of employees or self self made recording
and experts. And so the idea here at Base then
would be that using this proprietary secret technology, the researchers
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are able to I guess, mine things from voices that
would not ordinarily be discernible because I remember they go
into medicine a little bit as well. Yeah, so, okay.
Here at sound health portal dot com it says what
is human bioacoustics and it states the state of your
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health is in the sound of your voice. Frequencies and
architectures found in the human voice can be used to
identify the innate mathematical bio markers that represent states of
health and wellness. It sounds a little strange, let's keep going.
Frequency based medicine is currently positioned at the top of
today's alternative health options. Okay, so we're looking at an
alternative health option here, everything from homeopathy to essential oils
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would be considered something like that. And then if you
keep going down the website, you'll you'll see things like
math matrixes for each individual for your health and wellness,
UM bio acoustic vocal profiling, which sounds fascinating. It does
sound fascinating. I think one thing that a lot of
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people have a problem with regarding bioacoustics would be that
in other other aspects or in other parts of the web,
it's also associated with the discovery of ancient wisdom or
rediscovery of it. There's a quote from Sherry Edwards about
this where she says, novel research supports the assertion that
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ancient templar cross architecture contains math codes that support frequency
based medicine. The idea of revisiting lost knowledge through the
use of computer constructed biometrics provides a new paradigm that
will change the face of future medicine. It sounds cool,
it sounds really interesting. Secrets of the templar Dan Brown
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type stuff. And speaking of Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics,
and she said that the tests that Aldrin went through um.
She said that Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO,
even though his logical mind cannot explain it. So with
whatever testing she did, the top secret stuff, she was
able to tell that he definitely saw something. So it's
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not a lie detector. It is in a way, I guess,
I don't I don't understand that it's not a polygraph.
I guess is what we're saying, because usually when you
say lie detectorph it's the way you're describing it sounds
like an everything detector. It's it's looking at the vocal
patterns of a person. So I'm assuming that's some kind
of spectral analysis of the vocal like after you record
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somebody it's some kind of spectral analysis and what are
you saying it it can tell you things about your
your health. Yeah, that's that's what it's. That's what the
Bioacoustic Biology Institute is saying, and even even unto the
degree of being able to tell you if you will
have a quote negative outcome from vaccination based on your voice.
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And that's that's weird because it's the it's saying they
can tell that before a vaccination occurs. So that's the
This is the institute conducting the tests. And they said
that I saw you f according to Sherry Edwards. Yeah,
and it says that they all did. And if we
go back to the article, it states that al Warden,
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who at the time was eight six, was on Good
Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed to have seen
extraterrestrials and he also believes that we're all descended from
some form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude,
it makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.
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We've been down that route hold several times on this
show and in our Just Daily lives. Um. But you
know it's not just him. You also get edgar Mitchell,
who also had claimed to seeing UFOs. I don't know.
He was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs
rather than just a single one or something. And then
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again the article claims that through the testing, all of
these men seemed to be telling the truth and the
whole truth and nothing. But yep, if this is true,
it's it's astonishing, right, it's mind blowing, and we have
to contain our excitement and ask ourselves about the source.
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What about this thing? Does it measure up? Are there
other sources that confirm it and contradict it? What do
the people involved actually say? What does buzz Aldrin say?
We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. So
go into this source. We see that's also been associated
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with a viral video that was describing this and got
shared everywhere on Facebook and probably on Reddit and so
on and so on and so on. But what do
we know about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star? So yeah,
I mean it's what they do. But a tabloid, the
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Daily Star, it's published Monday through Saturday and the k
and it's been doing that since November two of nineteen eight.
Can we just take a quick second to have tabloid
it seems like always a term of derision, like a
term implying fake news or some kind of sensationalized um
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flim flammery. Is that how you guys see it? Well,
it's definitely the motivation there is to sell more papers.
The motivation in any paper is to sell more papers, right,
But in this case, the let's say, the the journalistic
integrity maybe isn't as important. And this is tough to
even say about anything like this because I've never worked
at the Daily Star. I don't know what the boss
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is there say during they're all hands meetings, they maybe
they're telling the gods on this truth and they're like,
why haven't we been killed? Why don't people believe us?
Bat Boy is out there? So it is bat boy
type stuff. Well, there are different grade gradation, say of tabloid. Yeah,
technically a tabloid, well, it used to not be a
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derogatory term. It's a format of a newspaper that's not
as large and is about half the size of a
standard newspaper, and it has more popular reporting. You're going
to see more stuff about celebrity paparazzi type stuff and
you know, speculating about who's cheating on who bread and circuses. Yeah, absolutely,
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and in some case, in a lot of cases here
in the States, at least, when you go to the
grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids oriented towards
celebrities at the checkoutline. But there used to be back
in the day, really cool. When it's like Weekly World
that's my favorite. You don't see that anymore. No, I
haven't seen it. They we should. We should find out.
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We should find out and see if we can get
our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would
you guys be proud subscribers with me to the Weekly
World News. Absolutely. I don't want it delivered it by house.
It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
I think we partner with them and make a new
show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it.
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We should write for them. That's a great idea. We
should all get pseudonyms and right for them. Buzz Rendezvous
is unfortunately taken not to get too far off track.
What's kind of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It
seems like they're a little more just into covering weird
natural phenomenon and a lot of these stories that I'm
seen on the front page are not never mind got
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to one six inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the
Weinstein Company. Yeah wait did she? And no? I don't
think so. Fascinating stuff, right, So tabloids nowadays have uh
an aura of unreliability. It's that's something that we all
associate with the term tabloid, and the etymology of that
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how it evolved is maybe a story for another time.
But in addition to being a tabloid, the Daily Star
was the only original source that reported this, and the
other outfits we found that we're reporting it ultimately are
going back to, at least in this case, back to
this Daily Star story. And Matt, you brought up a
fantastic point that we can't gloss over, which is that
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this is one iteration of a thing that's come up
again and again and again since the first uh first
days of UH space varying civilization. Oh yeah, immediately after
those astronauts landed, probably even before that, there were questions
about what did they actually see? Yeah, and they have been.
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Another thing that's different with this case is that people
are easier to reach now. So various news outlets from
The Independent to Australia's The Pedestrian reached out to buzz
Aldrin directly and said, hey, did you really say this?
Do you believe this happened. Aldrin's spokespeople responded to the
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to the Australian outfit we mentioned earlier to the Pedestrian,
and they categorically denied the story and took it a
step further. They called it unfounded and bogus, and then
they added, we don't know where it came from. They
had never heard of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never
heard of this reporting. And so the official stances, no way,
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what is that? And we can take it a step further.
Buzz Aldrin himself was asked about not specifically the study,
but unidentified aliens and spacecraft in a reddit a m A,
which is a h an acronym for ask me anything. Right.
So we have a long quote from him here, and
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we can probably just split it up between the three
of us are or paraphrase a little, but he says,
and Apollo eleven and route to the Moon, I observed
a light out the window that appeared to be moving
alongside us. There were many explanations of what it could
be other than spacecraft from another country or another world.
It was either the rocket we had separated from or
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the four panels that moved away when we extracted the
lander from the rocket and we were nose two nose
with the two spacecraft, so in the close vicinity, moving
away were four panels, and I feel absolutely convinced that
we were looking at the sun reflected off of one
of those panels, which one I don't know, So technically
the definition could be unidentified, but we well understood exactly
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what it was. So are we Are we seeing a
sort of misinterpretation of the idea of a UFO, like
in the parlance of NASSA and astronaut day to day operations,
That could mean many different things, right, Yeah, that's that's
the part of it. He uh. He goes on and
says that he was I guess taken out of context
(31:59):
or statements were taken out of context, and it goes further. Yeah, yeah,
series what he says. He goes we well understood exactly
what that was, and when we returned, we debriefed and
explained exactly what we had observed, and I felt that
this had been distributed to the outside world the outside audience,
and apparently it wasn't and so many years later, so
this was taken out of context. Basically, so many years
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later I had the time in an interview to disclose
these observations on another country's television network, and the UFO
people in the United States were very, very very angry
with me um that I had not given them this information.
It was not an alien. And he continues saying, extraordinary
observations require extraordinary evidence. That's what Carl Sagan said. There
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may be aliens in our Milky Way galaxy, and there
are billions of other galaxies. The probability is almost certain
that there is life somewhere in space. It was not
that remarkable, that special, that unusual that life here on
Earth evolved gradual, really slowly to where we are today.
But the distances involved in where some evidence of life
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maybe they may be hundreds of light years away. That's
a great point. That's like the whole Fermi paradox thing
that we've discussed on this show numerous times. So we
can't get there, that's what he's saying. They probably can't
get to us. The odds are so low. So he's
saying aliens do exist, it's very likely that they do
existence highly unlikely that we'll run into them. So he
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himself is denying that he saw an alien and claiming
instead it was a UFO. And to your point, Noll,
that just means we didn't know exactly what it was.
It could have been a million other things that were
not extraterrestrial in origin. So in this case, it seems
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that the Aldrin story may be largely discredited. We did mention,
of course, Cooper Mitchell pass passed away, so they had
to be using prerecorded audio. They should have mentioned that.
But something else here. What if Aldrin was not the
only astronaut to see strange things in the stars. We
know that during the Gemini four mission, pilot Jim mcdiviott
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had spotted an object he described as a white cylindrical
shape with a white pole sticking out of one corner
of it. He took a couple of photos of it
and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,
because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,
But other people were saying maybe it's the second stage
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of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then
in two thousand and five and astronaut named Leroy Chow
reported seeing lights in a line almost like an upside
down check mark. He later identified these as being from
fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So every a lot
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of the astronauts you see unexplained stuff have later come
back and said, here is the mundane exp nation. Or
is that because the men in black got to them?
Or is that because someone got to them? You know,
often when we hear that kind of story, the crazy
thing about about a group of people keeping another group
of people quiet and intimidated, it becomes it's difficult to
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believe in most cases, because it's usually a matter of
keeping hundreds of thousands of people quiet. But the world
is it lousy with astronauts? There aren't that many, correct,
especially that many that have been that far out. That's true. Actually,
there was only a very small handful of astronats who
have been there far out. Have you met one? Do
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you trust them? Maybe that's a that's an inside joke
for us from a previous video where I think we
ended it with have you ever met an astronaut? But
I believe we have. I believe between the three of
us we have man restronauts pilots, though, pilots are a
different story. And there was a story that recently came
(35:59):
out in UH February of two airline pilots spotted a
mysterious reflective of object hovering about forty feet or twelve
thousand meters for everybody outside of Namibia, the United States,
and Myanmar over Arizona, and the f a A, the
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Federal Aviation Ministration is stumped because these were pilots in
two different planes, so their perspective was different. UH. The
Phoenix New Times released in f A a recording of this.
The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February
over the desert near Phoenix, and no one knows what
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it was. You can read a great article on Live
Science about this. Yeah, and if you if you call
back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes, we've discussed several of these,
especially the last one we did. We've talked about actual
Navy pilot pilots that have seen UFOs in the recent past.
So it does occur on land, or at least just
above land quite frequently, these sightings. Yeah, and we have
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to be fair because just if one just because one
story turns out not to have sand to it doesn't
mean that other stories are not true. And the last
note we can leave you with here that that will
perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole of your own,
is the following. In an interview with the BBC, head
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of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed, we see
a UFO a month, one unidentified flying object per month consistently.
But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't
responding to their calls, could be a freaky looking bird man. Yeah,
it could be a lot of things or classified aircraft.
(37:50):
That's the one I'm most excited about. But let us
know what UFO incidents you think hold the most sand,
have the most grit, the most credibility, right? Which ones
haven't been proven to be? What's the old saw? A
weather balloon? Right? We would love to hear from you.
And you know it's no secret that space is weird.
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Along with the deepest abyssial planes of the ocean, space
is one of the least understood environments that humans have
ever experienced, and there's still tons and tons of unidentified
objects being spotted in the air, under the water. We
don't we don't know how to explain them all. It's
pretty exciting time to be alive when you think about it,
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it really is. I'm excited, and I think we would
be good astronauts. Not me in my back, I don't
think I could. I think you'd be a great astronaut.
Maybe you could wear one of those like ups guy
back brace things. Surely they can build that into the
space soon. Man, that can be taken into consideration. All right,
all right, I'll look into it. Then we should try out.
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Do they have open on open casting calls auditions? I
think it's the next uh exsperation of America's Got Talent.
It's NASA's Got talent. No, no, no. This is one
of the episodes about but like, how do you guys feel.
Obviously there's a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in NASA.
Everything we're talking about was this kind of stuff that
happened relatively in our lifetime, and you guys are obviously
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hugely into the idea of being an astronaut. How do
you feel about the whole like privatization of space travel
and exploration and maybe some of the emphasis moving away
from the way it used to be done. Are we
going to see more guys like old buzz Aldrin. Yeah,
so there's a there's a fascinating and complicated issue here,
(39:41):
which is the following. A lot of successful colonization in
human history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company hor
horrific company, very very bad, did terrible things. But without
that push towards privatization, it would not, you know, the
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path of history would have been much different, and those
expansionist forces probably wouldn't have been able to reach the
places they reached and maintained the whole they maintained for
so long. So privatization is the next. Also, I believe
we're moving away from states towards corporations. So it not
inherently bad, in fact, many good things about it, but
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potentially potential for abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,
but that could you know, you could say the same
about a state run operation. And a lot of a
lot of the big players that will be in the
future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,
you know, like that it may be supported with funding
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from the state, but it's owned by a private entity,
you know what I mean. Doesn't Elon Musk strike you
guys kind of a bond villain figure. He he worries me.
He's done some pretty amazing things, you know he has.
I'm mainly joking, but as part of me that thinks
he's going to build a sonic death ray on the
moon and blow up all the poor people on the Earth. Yeah,
(41:10):
I don't. I don't get I don't get that from him.
I don't get it from him, And I get that
from several people amongst his peers, but no, not him.
I don't think. I don't think he's a blow up
the poor kind of person. But I do think he
would absolutely institute uh an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar
(41:31):
to what our guy Marshall brain to episode. Maybe he
and Marshall should get together and get that thing go
and get Google's new algorithms up there, work with them.
Those guys are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would
if we put them in a room and just gave
them an hour to talk. They well know, if we
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put them in a cabin for a weekend, they would
come out with some kind of new, weird technology. Oh
I don't. I don't know if I would understand it.
I hope it's not a death ray, I hope not,
but yeah, that's a I think that we're going to
see something very much like the Dutch East India Company. Yeah,
I can imagine leading the charge to space expiration and
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we have to as a species, we have to go
to space. Yeah, it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass
Effect Universe, the Giant. They're a giant private company that
basically ended up being the most powerful thing that existed
and the most powerful entity that existed. And of course
there's another argument, which is maybe we should just fix
(42:35):
the Earth we have before we go try to make
make another one. How's that going? I mean, you know,
ups and downs, mixed results. Humanity is still here. The
pendulum swings. The pendulum swings like Earth is so resilient
it doesn't matter to Earth if human beings are gone,
there will just be some some new iteration that will
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take our place. But you know, collectively, it's kind of
cool for us to be here. Well, I for one
of them, excited to get to Mars because there's something
there that we can explore that buzz Aldrin himself has
discussed before. Besides this whole thing about seeing aliens or
spacecraft or something while he was going to the Moon
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and orbiting. He also has mentioned a very specific phenomena
or an object that exists on one of mars moons, Phobos.
It's a monolith. He's talked about it live on air.
We should go boldly where man has not gone before.
Fly by the comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars.
(43:39):
There's a monolith. They're a very unusual structure on this
little potato shaped object that that goes around Mars once
in seven hours. When people find out about that, they're
going to say, who put that there? Who put that there? Well, Uh,
the universe put it there, if you choose, God put
(44:00):
it there. There's also a monolith on Mars that has
been observed. Uh. And these are two things that I
think we should really really explore. Here's the thing. They're
probably natural, you know, if you we Ofcom's razor it,
they're probably natural rock formations. However, that there are two,
one on both the planet and the moon, one of
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the moons of the planet is fascinating to me and
I think we should explore it. And I'm pretty sure
buzz Aldren believed we should as well. Absolutely look that's
fascinating to me that he, he himself, being known for
someone of being somewhat of his skeptic, would be so
interested in this idea. And you know, I wanted to
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ask this question. I can't remember if we asked it before.
If offered, would you take a one way ticket to
live on Mars? That's tough, man, but you know, with
like a cool job. And let's say you knew you
wouldn't die on the way, you could give me some
asure and says, yeah, if it had been done, I
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might do it. I would totally do it. I would
also I would be the one who would say, well,
we don't have to stop at Mars. You know, I'll
just I'll keep going if we if you have snacks.
Have you guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot? Yeah?
Not a fan? Not a fan, I'm not. I haven't
really gotten that deep into The only reason I mentioned
is because there's a whole thing in that show where
they I'll have to take a test like aptitude tests
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in order to become the new colonizers of space or
the new planet that they're trying to find because Earth
is not doing so well. So what do you think
of unidentified flying objects. Are they all mundane? Is there
something further at play? Have astronauts actually seen these and
later denied them or have they been misquoted and mischaracterized
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So, like a lot of people in the audience today,
when we were growing up, at one point or another,
we all kind of wanted to be an astronaut. It's
just a really it's a really cool job. And when
you think of exploring space, if you listen to a
show like stuff, they don't want you to know, you
have to ask yourself what astronauts see when they're up
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there in orbit. That's where buzz Aldrin comes in. Yeah,
buzz Aldrin comes in in a big way because he
and two other dudes allegedly or very much in reality,
went to the moon and they got to step on
that puppy, see what it's like. Don't step on puppies,
But they got to step on the moon yep. And
(00:42):
buzz Aldrin would go on to be a pretty interestingly
outspoken uh character, UM saying some things that that led
to some pretty interesting speculation and really fed the conversation
around um, what could be going on out there? Yeah?
What was he allowed to say? What wasn't he allowed
to say? Did he slip up? Is that what we're
(01:02):
talking about in this episode? You'll have to find out here.
It comes from UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies.
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Welcome back to the show. My name is Matt, my
name is Noel. They called me Ben. We are joined
as always with our super producer Paul Mission Control decond,
which will be a very appropriate name for today's episode.
Most importantly, folks, thanks for dropping in. You are you,
and you are here and that makes this stuff they
don't want you to know. A quick question there for
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all of us and then everyone listening as well. When
you were a kid, did you ever think of being
an astronaut when you grew up? I thought of nothing else.
We have we have talked about the fact that everyone
went to space camp and me and you got your shirt.
It was too small, I know I saw that. Sorry,
but we can cut it up and turn it into
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something else. It's called to give it to my child.
There you go, and maybe maybe it'll get her to
aspire to go to space camp on our own one day.
Oh yeah, And to your point, to your point, definitely
being an astronaut, thinking of exploring the unexplored like that that,
I think that's a dream of a lot of people. Absolutely,
it's a dream job. I mean, just imagine, you literally
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go where almost no one has ever gone before, and
no matter how abstract or inconsequential your mission might seem
to the contemporary public, in a very real way, if
you are an astronaut, you are paving humanity's path to
the stars. Even if you're the world's worst astronaut, which
I think we talked about on the previous I mean,
(02:56):
even being the world's worst astronaut, you're no slouch, right, right,
it's still pretty good. Yeah, but all the other astronauts know,
because I'm sure think there's a list. Do you think
they keep tabs like Steve is the worst one? I hope.
So I've been you know, we've talked about this off air.
I've been obsessed with this idea for a while, the
idea that somewhere there is the world's worst astronaut, and
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because it's such a small group or a small community,
everyone knows it's like Steve or Derek or something. They're
getting their orders to go on the mission. They're like,
all right, this all sounds great, and go, oh uh,
one more thing. Uh, Derek's going to be on the
squad and they're all like, he's always opening his diet
coke and zero gravity gets everywhere, It gets all on
(03:43):
the instruments and stuff. It's not a pretty scene. Always
hitting on the server at Applebee's by saying he's an
astronaut and then trying to get a discount. I mean,
a very few can actually use that pickup line and
be speaking the truth. So okay, we'll give Steve that
that's true. That's true. Steve and Derek sound like they
are in a contest. I always picture the world's worst
(04:03):
astronaut is Derek. But right in and let us know
what you think the world's worst astronaut. Where do you think? Oh,
he's near the top. He's a good as a good one. Yeah,
because the level of entry is just so high to
be an astronaut. Uh. And you know, to be absolutely fair,
the difference in degree between the worst and the best
here is hopefully very small. Yes, they've got high standards,
(04:27):
But today's episode is about astronauts. In fact, it's about
one of the most famous astronauts in the world, Buzz Aldrin.
Everyone calls him Buzz. His real name is Edwin Eugene Aldrin, Jr.
But you know, buzz. That's cool. Objectively cooler, agreed, objectively cooler.
That's part of the that's part of what they look
(04:48):
for in astronauts, right. He was born on January twenty,
nineteen thirty, in Montclair, New Jersey. His father was a
colonel in the US Air Force. UH encouraged his interest
in flight from a very very young age, so much
so that he graduated high school one year early, attended
the Military Academy at West Point, where he earned a
BS and mechanical engineering. Joined the Air Force after graduation.
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He flew F eighty six sabers and sixty six combat
missions and shot down two m I G s. He
was decorated with Distinguished Flying Cross. He flew F one
hundreds in Germany, and then he went back to school,
earned a doctorate in science in astronautics at m I
T and wrote this thesis on manned orbital rendezvous. That's
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pretty darn cool, man. I'm not impressed, not yet. Just
wait right, okay. In nineteen sixty three, NASA selected him
to become an astronaut, one member of their third Group
of Astronauts. What a crazy time that must have been,
Its lad, We've got this new job. See where he
shoot you up into space. We're gonna try and put
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you on the moon maybe if that's cool. Actually, know,
it doesn't matter you're doing it anything. They may not
have told him, you know, but obviously this is what
you wanted to imagine getting a degree in astronautics at
that day and age in the sixties. Now I have
a question. I know nasays it's an independent agency or organization.
It's not connected directly to the military, but do astronauts
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have like the are they commanders? Do they get orders
when they're given a mission? Is it like you get
court martialed as an astronaut. Yeah, this is a good
question because they can have a number of ranks or positions.
There might be a mission specialist who has a scientific
acumen that's needed, but there's gonna be a pilot, a commander,
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a command module pilot. It changes, I think depending on
the mission or the program. So like in Mercury, in
the Mercury program they just had a pilot, and Gemini
they had a command pilot and a pilot. And then
if you go to things like the Space Shuttle, there's
a payload commander, there's a flight engineer, yeah. Actually, I
just look this up. It looks like there are military astronauts,
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but they're technically is a funny term, on loan to NASA,
and they're still held to the standards of their particular
branch um of the Uniform Code of Military Justice for example.
That's fascinating. That makes sense though, because there's not enough
of a demand for people, right, we don't have enough
spaceships to to justify NASA having its own military branch
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yet hopefully. So. Yeah, he becomes an astronaut and he
gets another kick ass nickname. This guy is so nickname rich.
He gets the nickname Doctor Rendezvous. Yeah, that's awesome. By
the way, Buzz came from his sister couldn't pronounce brother
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and and pronounced it buzzer, and so that's where buzz
came from. I was thinking he might have gotten it
when he was a fighter pilot, head haircutter something. Now
he's Dr Buzz Rendezvous, which is up there with Mantis Tobogan,
you know, as you just pull that one out of
the ether that's always sunny in Philde. I don't know that.
(08:12):
Uh yeah, Mantis Tobogan is a great one. Also a
doctor I believe Uh. Yeah. He was the first astronaut
with a doctorate. That's why he got the nickname Doctor Rendezvous.
Additionally here in this nickname because he created the docking
and rendezvous techniques for spacecraft and lunar Earth orbit. These
were mission critical for the success of the Gemini and
Apollo programs, because you know, once you get people into space,
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they need to be able to rendezvous and dock with things. Well, yeah,
and especially if they're going to send part of the
ship down to the Moon and then get that ship
that part back up to the main ship and then
get out of there. Yeah. Yeah, that's a really good point.
I mean, that's crazy stuff. You think about the math
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behind that, and I just melt away and you can't
you can't find me for several days. Just the precision
involved and everything has to be just so, the timing
has to be absolutely perfect. Nothing can go wrong. I know.
I just think the heavens literally that Doctor Rendezvous was around.
Doctor was Rendezvous. That's what If we get him on
the show, do you think he'll let us call him
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Dr Rendezvous or is that like a term only other
astronauts can use. He might make a face. Have you
seen his face. He makes a pretty intense stink face.
Oh yeah, he is. He is not reticent about exhibiting
his displeasure because you know, why does he need to
why does he need to play nice? He's done at all. Man,
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He's been on the moon. He's kind of untouchable. He can.
He could get away with a lot of stuff. Now,
he could put out a bad New Age spiritual album
and people would still say, you know what, it's not
my favorite music. But he has been on the moon.
Can we talk about the fact that he pioneered a
ton of the training to techniques used to train astronauts, Like,
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you know, you always see them training for zero gravity
work in these giant pools. That was his idea. That
his idea. He yeah, he did the underwater training techniques.
He also performed the world's first successful space walk, which
if you notice, there's a weird caveat in there, the
world's first successful spacewalk. Uh. This was on the Gemini
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twelve orbital mission in nineteen sixty six. He set a
new e v A extra vehicular activity record of five
and a half hours. And also he took the first
selfie in space. Yeah he did. I love this guy.
Just thinking about that. I really like this dude. He
I wish he was like my grandpa. Oh man, grand
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grandpa Buzz. Yeah, let me sit on his knee, tell
me tales of space exploration, adventure. Teach you, teach you
the complex science of trajectories and grow gravity explained the
calculus of space talking. I would probably be a lot
smarter if Buzz alternated than my grandpapa. I would, you know,
(11:08):
even beyond a familiar relationship. I want to just have
him in my crew. So when I take group pictures,
it could be like, oh, there's there's there's the gang.
Oh who's that. Oh that's Dr Rendezvous. Yeah, and he's
just in the back. He's not even paying attention, chilling,
He's got aviators on. He's running the numbers man. Yeah,
he's running the numbers. He can perfectly throw things into
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trash cans in an office from across the hall. Anyway.
That's that's all awesome and pales in comparison to this
stuff that he did, especially on July twenty nine, that's
the big one. That's when he and Neil Armstrong made
their historic Apollo eleven moonwalk. They landed on the moon.
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He took the giant steps for mankind in that warehouse
in burbank Um, captured brilliantly by Stanley Kubrick. Maybe maybe
we should do an episode on that in the future.
We always talk about that, fellow conspiracy realists. There are
a couple of episodes that we always kick around off
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air and say we're going to get to one day.
Let us know if you would like to explore the
Stanley Kubrick faking the moon landing. Yeah, we did that
episode on the movie, the movie that we watched where
it's fictionalized it was I remember that was a good one.
But for the purposes of this episode, let's operate as
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though this were a real thing that actually in fact happened. Okay, yeah, yeah,
we'll we'll table that. We're tabling all the moon shenanigans
lunar shenanigans for a future episode. But we do want
to hear from you. Let us know what you think
about this. We are conspiracy How stuff works dot Com
a couple of facts about the moonwalk and estimated six
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hundred million people tuned in to watch. That was the
largest television audience and history at the time, and when
Buzz and Co returned. They received the Presidential Medal of Freedom.
Over the rest of his life post lunar landing, um
buzz Aldrin received the Congressional Gold Medal, tons and tons
of other numerous awards. He has an asteroid named after him.
(13:18):
He has a creator on the moon named after him. Uh.
He is a prolific writer, writes a lot of children's books. Surprisingly,
it was Operation Avalanche, by the way, Operation Avalanche. That
was the movie. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, And do
check out that episode if you haven't listened to it.
It was pretty good. But uh, he is still an
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advocate for space exploration. And again you know he he
went on the moon. But there's more to the story,
you see more and more people in sources will tell
you that while exploring space, buzz Aldrin and his colleagues
didn't just see lunar rocks and mooned us. They believe
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instead that he, along with his fellow astronauts, saw something startling,
an inexplicable, something that, if publicly acknowledged, could fundamentally change
our species understanding of the space around our planet and
the universe as a whole. Are you saying buzz Aldrin
saw some sort of life form we'll be back after
(14:23):
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have any interest in stories of astronauts and stories of
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get your news, or heard about it on a forum
or something like that. Apparently buzz Aldrin saw a UFO. Yes,
(15:05):
and this is not the first time that it was reported,
but the latest iteration of something like this came on
April eight. Yeah, it was a British tabloid called The
Daily Star, and they reported that buzz Aldron and three
other astronauts, Gordon Cooper, edgar Mitchell and al Warden, they
(15:26):
participated in this study. And we'll get into what the
study actually was, but a study that revealed buzz Aldron
as well as some of these other guys, had in
fact seen some kind of bizarre object or unexplainable phenomena
in space. Right with a specific quote attributed to Dr Rendezvous,
which I'm just I'm going to have to call him
(15:46):
for the rest of this show. Okay, uh say, Allegedly
he said there was something out there that was close
enough to be observed, sort of l shaped. Yeah, yeah,
we'll talk about that attribution, like you said. Yeah, so
we'll tell us a little bit about what what went
down there, what's the skinny, what's the scoop? Okay, So
(16:07):
the test that they participated in was a different kind
of Lie detector test and not the one that you
might be familiar with if you watch C. S I
shows and things like that that monitors your specific biometrics
of your body, your sweat, your what your heart beat,
your heart rate, and things like that. Um, let's let's
(16:28):
just get into it. So I'm gonna read some of
the some couple of little quotes here from the article.
It definitely states that those four astronauts took part and
they all passed this whatever this version of a lie
detector test was, and the experts say that, um, the
results show and that these experts are completely convinced that
(16:50):
signs of alien life were actually seen by these gentlemen.
It was conducted at this place called the Institute of
Bioacoustic Biology, you Albany, Ohio, according to the article, and
it says they carried out complex computer analyzes of the
astronauts voice patterns as they told of their close encounters.
(17:11):
So that's that's how they're looking at these And something
that's really important to talk about. Two of those astronauts
that they looked at, edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper when
they performed this test. These guys are deceased. Yeah, they're dead.
So the story is at the very least coming from
a misleading a misleading base because the way it's written,
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it implies that the astronauts are being analyzed in real
time or that they were speaking to the people conducting
the study, and that is not that. That is not
the case. And here is something of great convenience. Here's
another quote from the article. Although the technology is still
(17:57):
top secret, these studies are claimed to be or reliable
than current lie detector tests and could soon replace those
used by the FBI and police. Top secret. Huh, yeah,
it's top secret lie detector technology. And Albany, Ohio at
the Institute of Bioacoustic Biology. Things can be secret, but
(18:17):
they can't really be top secret unless they're classified that
way by a government. Yeah, and you're not going to
have somebody writing anywhere, especially in the Daily Star, about
something that is top secret. I guess a lot of
non government agencies use the phrase proprietary, like proprietary technology.
That makes a lot of sense for what this could be.
(18:37):
And we'll get into what it is in a second. Wait,
so do you wanna do you want to talk about bioacoustics?
You want to hang on for a second. Yeah, let's
jump into bioacoustics. Okay, you sounds thrilled, man, It's okay.
I'm I'm interested in this stuff and I want to
know if there's any I don't know basis for what
(18:58):
what the things what these people are claiming, but as
of right now, OCAM's razor is pointing me in an
unfortunate direction. Let's just say, Okay, you can go to
bioacoustic Research dot com and you can learn about the
Bioacoustic Biology Research Studio that's in Northwest Ohio. Okay, let's see.
(19:19):
It's an independent research studio and it's currently working on
projects regarding PTSD and radiation. Okay, so that's that's interesting. Um.
It has references to the high radiation levels present in
the sky, and let's see, if you go down on
the website a little bit. You can see pictures of
(19:40):
the studio that they've got here there. They're recording studio essentially,
and it looks fine, it looks cool, but it looks
like somebody's house for sure. And then if you continue
going down the rabbit hole, you'll find a thing called
sound health Portal dot com that is also related to
(20:02):
this bio acoustic biology website. But the we should also
plan on to be fair. Just because something's operating out
of someone's house doesn't de legitimize it. Oh no, absolutely
does not delegitimize it. Thank you for pointing that out then,
But it's um It doesn't give it the same gravitass
as if there is spending by the government for anything
(20:25):
like this. It doesn't show that there's a large number
of people probably working on this project. It's probably a
very small number of employees or self self made recording
and experts. And so the idea here at Base then
would be that using this proprietary secret technology, the researchers
(20:47):
are able to I guess, mine things from voices that
would not ordinarily be discernible because I remember they go
into medicine a little bit as well. Yeah, so, okay.
Here at sound health portal dot com it says what
is human bioacoustics and it states the state of your
(21:07):
health is in the sound of your voice. Frequencies and
architectures found in the human voice can be used to
identify the innate mathematical bio markers that represent states of
health and wellness. It sounds a little strange, let's keep going.
Frequency based medicine is currently positioned at the top of
today's alternative health options. Okay, so we're looking at an
alternative health option here, everything from homeopathy to essential oils
(21:32):
would be considered something like that. And then if you
keep going down the website, you'll you'll see things like
math matrixes for each individual for your health and wellness,
UM bio acoustic vocal profiling, which sounds fascinating. It does
sound fascinating. I think one thing that a lot of
(21:54):
people have a problem with regarding bioacoustics would be that
in other other aspects or in other parts of the web,
it's also associated with the discovery of ancient wisdom or
rediscovery of it. There's a quote from Sherry Edwards about
this where she says, novel research supports the assertion that
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ancient templar cross architecture contains math codes that support frequency
based medicine. The idea of revisiting lost knowledge through the
use of computer constructed biometrics provides a new paradigm that
will change the face of future medicine. It sounds cool,
it sounds really interesting. Secrets of the templar Dan Brown
(22:37):
type stuff. And speaking of Sherry Edwards, she works with bioacoustics,
and she said that the tests that Aldrin went through um.
She said that Aldrin is sure he saw the UFO,
even though his logical mind cannot explain it. So with
whatever testing she did, the top secret stuff, she was
able to tell that he definitely saw something. So it's
(23:02):
not a lie detector. It is in a way, I guess,
I don't I don't understand that it's not a polygraph.
I guess is what we're saying, because usually when you
say lie detectorph it's the way you're describing it sounds
like an everything detector. It's it's looking at the vocal
patterns of a person. So I'm assuming that's some kind
of spectral analysis of the vocal like after you record
(23:25):
somebody it's some kind of spectral analysis and what are
you saying it it can tell you things about your
your health. Yeah, that's that's what it's. That's what the
Bioacoustic Biology Institute is saying, and even even unto the
degree of being able to tell you if you will
have a quote negative outcome from vaccination based on your voice.
(23:46):
And that's that's weird because it's the it's saying they
can tell that before a vaccination occurs. So that's the
This is the institute conducting the tests. And they said
that I saw you f according to Sherry Edwards. Yeah,
and it says that they all did. And if we
go back to the article, it states that al Warden,
(24:09):
who at the time was eight six, was on Good
Morning Britain and he he apparently claimed to have seen
extraterrestrials and he also believes that we're all descended from
some form of ancient aliens. And I mean, really, dude,
it makes me want to go down that rabbit hole again.
(24:30):
We've been down that route hold several times on this
show and in our Just Daily lives. Um. But you
know it's not just him. You also get edgar Mitchell,
who also had claimed to seeing UFOs. I don't know.
He was talking more about chasing a group of UFOs
rather than just a single one or something. And then
(24:50):
again the article claims that through the testing, all of
these men seemed to be telling the truth and the
whole truth and nothing. But yep, if this is true,
it's it's astonishing, right, it's mind blowing, and we have
to contain our excitement and ask ourselves about the source.
(25:10):
What about this thing? Does it measure up? Are there
other sources that confirm it and contradict it? What do
the people involved actually say? What does buzz Aldrin say?
We'll tell you after a word from our sponsor. So
go into this source. We see that's also been associated
(25:33):
with a viral video that was describing this and got
shared everywhere on Facebook and probably on Reddit and so
on and so on and so on. But what do
we know about the actual newspaper, The Daily Star? So yeah,
I mean it's what they do. But a tabloid, the
(25:55):
Daily Star, it's published Monday through Saturday and the k
and it's been doing that since November two of nineteen eight.
Can we just take a quick second to have tabloid
it seems like always a term of derision, like a
term implying fake news or some kind of sensationalized um
(26:19):
flim flammery. Is that how you guys see it? Well,
it's definitely the motivation there is to sell more papers.
The motivation in any paper is to sell more papers, right,
But in this case, the let's say, the the journalistic
integrity maybe isn't as important. And this is tough to
even say about anything like this because I've never worked
at the Daily Star. I don't know what the boss
(26:42):
is there say during they're all hands meetings, they maybe
they're telling the gods on this truth and they're like,
why haven't we been killed? Why don't people believe us?
Bat Boy is out there? So it is bat boy
type stuff. Well, there are different grade gradation, say of tabloid. Yeah,
technically a tabloid, well, it used to not be a
(27:04):
derogatory term. It's a format of a newspaper that's not
as large and is about half the size of a
standard newspaper, and it has more popular reporting. You're going
to see more stuff about celebrity paparazzi type stuff and
you know, speculating about who's cheating on who bread and circuses. Yeah, absolutely,
(27:25):
and in some case, in a lot of cases here
in the States, at least, when you go to the
grocery store, you will typically see the tabloids oriented towards
celebrities at the checkoutline. But there used to be back
in the day, really cool. When it's like Weekly World
that's my favorite. You don't see that anymore. No, I
haven't seen it. They we should. We should find out.
(27:50):
We should find out and see if we can get
our bosses to give us a subscription to it. Would
you guys be proud subscribers with me to the Weekly
World News. Absolutely. I don't want it delivered it by house.
It's still in circulation. It's circulation is one point two million.
I think we partner with them and make a new
show guys where it's just reading the paper. That's it.
(28:12):
We should write for them. That's a great idea. We
should all get pseudonyms and right for them. Buzz Rendezvous
is unfortunately taken not to get too far off track.
What's kind of interesting. I'm looking at their site. It
seems like they're a little more just into covering weird
natural phenomenon and a lot of these stories that I'm
seen on the front page are not never mind got
(28:34):
to one six inch alien and Gwyneth Paltrow buys the
Weinstein Company. Yeah wait did she? And no? I don't
think so. Fascinating stuff, right, So tabloids nowadays have uh
an aura of unreliability. It's that's something that we all
associate with the term tabloid, and the etymology of that
(28:59):
how it evolved is maybe a story for another time.
But in addition to being a tabloid, the Daily Star
was the only original source that reported this, and the
other outfits we found that we're reporting it ultimately are
going back to, at least in this case, back to
this Daily Star story. And Matt, you brought up a
fantastic point that we can't gloss over, which is that
(29:22):
this is one iteration of a thing that's come up
again and again and again since the first uh first
days of UH space varying civilization. Oh yeah, immediately after
those astronauts landed, probably even before that, there were questions
about what did they actually see? Yeah, and they have been.
(29:43):
Another thing that's different with this case is that people
are easier to reach now. So various news outlets from
The Independent to Australia's The Pedestrian reached out to buzz
Aldrin directly and said, hey, did you really say this?
Do you believe this happened. Aldrin's spokespeople responded to the
(30:09):
to the Australian outfit we mentioned earlier to the Pedestrian,
and they categorically denied the story and took it a
step further. They called it unfounded and bogus, and then
they added, we don't know where it came from. They
had never heard of the Bioacoustics Institute, they had never
heard of this reporting. And so the official stances, no way,
(30:32):
what is that? And we can take it a step further.
Buzz Aldrin himself was asked about not specifically the study,
but unidentified aliens and spacecraft in a reddit a m A,
which is a h an acronym for ask me anything. Right.
So we have a long quote from him here, and
(30:53):
we can probably just split it up between the three
of us are or paraphrase a little, but he says,
and Apollo eleven and route to the Moon, I observed
a light out the window that appeared to be moving
alongside us. There were many explanations of what it could
be other than spacecraft from another country or another world.
It was either the rocket we had separated from or
(31:14):
the four panels that moved away when we extracted the
lander from the rocket and we were nose two nose
with the two spacecraft, so in the close vicinity, moving
away were four panels, and I feel absolutely convinced that
we were looking at the sun reflected off of one
of those panels, which one I don't know, So technically
the definition could be unidentified, but we well understood exactly
(31:38):
what it was. So are we Are we seeing a
sort of misinterpretation of the idea of a UFO, like
in the parlance of NASSA and astronaut day to day operations,
That could mean many different things, right, Yeah, that's that's
the part of it. He uh. He goes on and
says that he was I guess taken out of context
(31:59):
or statements were taken out of context, and it goes further. Yeah, yeah,
series what he says. He goes we well understood exactly
what that was, and when we returned, we debriefed and
explained exactly what we had observed, and I felt that
this had been distributed to the outside world the outside audience,
and apparently it wasn't and so many years later, so
this was taken out of context. Basically, so many years
(32:21):
later I had the time in an interview to disclose
these observations on another country's television network, and the UFO
people in the United States were very, very very angry
with me um that I had not given them this information.
It was not an alien. And he continues saying, extraordinary
observations require extraordinary evidence. That's what Carl Sagan said. There
(32:45):
may be aliens in our Milky Way galaxy, and there
are billions of other galaxies. The probability is almost certain
that there is life somewhere in space. It was not
that remarkable, that special, that unusual that life here on
Earth evolved gradual, really slowly to where we are today.
But the distances involved in where some evidence of life
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maybe they may be hundreds of light years away. That's
a great point. That's like the whole Fermi paradox thing
that we've discussed on this show numerous times. So we
can't get there, that's what he's saying. They probably can't
get to us. The odds are so low. So he's
saying aliens do exist, it's very likely that they do
existence highly unlikely that we'll run into them. So he
(33:26):
himself is denying that he saw an alien and claiming
instead it was a UFO. And to your point, Noll,
that just means we didn't know exactly what it was.
It could have been a million other things that were
not extraterrestrial in origin. So in this case, it seems
(33:49):
that the Aldrin story may be largely discredited. We did mention,
of course, Cooper Mitchell pass passed away, so they had
to be using prerecorded audio. They should have mentioned that.
But something else here. What if Aldrin was not the
only astronaut to see strange things in the stars. We
know that during the Gemini four mission, pilot Jim mcdiviott
(34:10):
had spotted an object he described as a white cylindrical
shape with a white pole sticking out of one corner
of it. He took a couple of photos of it
and he thinks it was unknown but man made debris,
because near Earth orbit is just full of space junk, right,
But other people were saying maybe it's the second stage
(34:32):
of a Titan two used in space exploration. And then
in two thousand and five and astronaut named Leroy Chow
reported seeing lights in a line almost like an upside
down check mark. He later identified these as being from
fishing boats hundreds of miles below. So every a lot
(34:54):
of the astronauts you see unexplained stuff have later come
back and said, here is the mundane exp nation. Or
is that because the men in black got to them?
Or is that because someone got to them? You know,
often when we hear that kind of story, the crazy
thing about about a group of people keeping another group
of people quiet and intimidated, it becomes it's difficult to
(35:17):
believe in most cases, because it's usually a matter of
keeping hundreds of thousands of people quiet. But the world
is it lousy with astronauts? There aren't that many, correct,
especially that many that have been that far out. That's true. Actually,
there was only a very small handful of astronats who
have been there far out. Have you met one? Do
(35:39):
you trust them? Maybe that's a that's an inside joke
for us from a previous video where I think we
ended it with have you ever met an astronaut? But
I believe we have. I believe between the three of
us we have man restronauts pilots, though, pilots are a
different story. And there was a story that recently came
(35:59):
out in UH February of two airline pilots spotted a
mysterious reflective of object hovering about forty feet or twelve
thousand meters for everybody outside of Namibia, the United States,
and Myanmar over Arizona, and the f a A, the
(36:19):
Federal Aviation Ministration is stumped because these were pilots in
two different planes, so their perspective was different. UH. The
Phoenix New Times released in f A a recording of this.
The sighting was three thirty in the afternoon on February
over the desert near Phoenix, and no one knows what
(36:41):
it was. You can read a great article on Live
Science about this. Yeah, and if you if you call
back to our Jeremy Corbell episodes, we've discussed several of these,
especially the last one we did. We've talked about actual
Navy pilot pilots that have seen UFOs in the recent past.
So it does occur on land, or at least just
above land quite frequently, these sightings. Yeah, and we have
(37:05):
to be fair because just if one just because one
story turns out not to have sand to it doesn't
mean that other stories are not true. And the last
note we can leave you with here that that will
perhaps send you off on a rabbit hole of your own,
is the following. In an interview with the BBC, head
(37:25):
of UK Air Traffic Control, Richard Deacon claimed, we see
a UFO a month, one unidentified flying object per month consistently.
But that could just be an unidentified plane that isn't
responding to their calls, could be a freaky looking bird man. Yeah,
it could be a lot of things or classified aircraft.
(37:50):
That's the one I'm most excited about. But let us
know what UFO incidents you think hold the most sand,
have the most grit, the most credibility, right? Which ones
haven't been proven to be? What's the old saw? A
weather balloon? Right? We would love to hear from you.
And you know it's no secret that space is weird.
(38:13):
Along with the deepest abyssial planes of the ocean, space
is one of the least understood environments that humans have
ever experienced, and there's still tons and tons of unidentified
objects being spotted in the air, under the water. We
don't we don't know how to explain them all. It's
pretty exciting time to be alive when you think about it,
(38:34):
it really is. I'm excited, and I think we would
be good astronauts. Not me in my back, I don't
think I could. I think you'd be a great astronaut.
Maybe you could wear one of those like ups guy
back brace things. Surely they can build that into the
space soon. Man, that can be taken into consideration. All right,
all right, I'll look into it. Then we should try out.
(38:55):
Do they have open on open casting calls auditions? I
think it's the next uh exsperation of America's Got Talent.
It's NASA's Got talent. No, no, no. This is one
of the episodes about but like, how do you guys feel.
Obviously there's a lot of nostalgia wrapped up in NASA.
Everything we're talking about was this kind of stuff that
happened relatively in our lifetime, and you guys are obviously
(39:18):
hugely into the idea of being an astronaut. How do
you feel about the whole like privatization of space travel
and exploration and maybe some of the emphasis moving away
from the way it used to be done. Are we
going to see more guys like old buzz Aldrin. Yeah,
so there's a there's a fascinating and complicated issue here,
(39:41):
which is the following. A lot of successful colonization in
human history was essentially privatized. Dutch East India Company hor
horrific company, very very bad, did terrible things. But without
that push towards privatization, it would not, you know, the
(40:05):
path of history would have been much different, and those
expansionist forces probably wouldn't have been able to reach the
places they reached and maintained the whole they maintained for
so long. So privatization is the next. Also, I believe
we're moving away from states towards corporations. So it not
inherently bad, in fact, many good things about it, but
(40:28):
potentially potential for abuse, potential for terrible, terrible things to happen. Yeah,
but that could you know, you could say the same
about a state run operation. And a lot of a
lot of the big players that will be in the
future space race are going to be state and private partnerships,
you know, like that it may be supported with funding
(40:49):
from the state, but it's owned by a private entity,
you know what I mean. Doesn't Elon Musk strike you
guys kind of a bond villain figure. He he worries me.
He's done some pretty amazing things, you know he has.
I'm mainly joking, but as part of me that thinks
he's going to build a sonic death ray on the
moon and blow up all the poor people on the Earth. Yeah,
(41:10):
I don't. I don't get I don't get that from him.
I don't get it from him, And I get that
from several people amongst his peers, but no, not him.
I don't think. I don't think he's a blow up
the poor kind of person. But I do think he
would absolutely institute uh an autocratic technocracy on Mars, similar
(41:31):
to what our guy Marshall brain to episode. Maybe he
and Marshall should get together and get that thing go
and get Google's new algorithms up there, work with them.
Those guys are brilliant. I can't imagine what they would
if we put them in a room and just gave
them an hour to talk. They well know, if we
(41:53):
put them in a cabin for a weekend, they would
come out with some kind of new, weird technology. Oh
I don't. I don't know if I would understand it.
I hope it's not a death ray, I hope not,
but yeah, that's a I think that we're going to
see something very much like the Dutch East India Company. Yeah,
I can imagine leading the charge to space expiration and
(42:15):
we have to as a species, we have to go
to space. Yeah, it'll be like Cerebus from the Mass
Effect Universe, the Giant. They're a giant private company that
basically ended up being the most powerful thing that existed
and the most powerful entity that existed. And of course
there's another argument, which is maybe we should just fix
(42:35):
the Earth we have before we go try to make
make another one. How's that going? I mean, you know,
ups and downs, mixed results. Humanity is still here. The
pendulum swings. The pendulum swings like Earth is so resilient
it doesn't matter to Earth if human beings are gone,
there will just be some some new iteration that will
(42:56):
take our place. But you know, collectively, it's kind of
cool for us to be here. Well, I for one
of them, excited to get to Mars because there's something
there that we can explore that buzz Aldrin himself has
discussed before. Besides this whole thing about seeing aliens or
spacecraft or something while he was going to the Moon
(43:17):
and orbiting. He also has mentioned a very specific phenomena
or an object that exists on one of mars moons, Phobos.
It's a monolith. He's talked about it live on air.
We should go boldly where man has not gone before.
Fly by the comets, visit asteroids, visit the moon of Mars.
(43:39):
There's a monolith. They're a very unusual structure on this
little potato shaped object that that goes around Mars once
in seven hours. When people find out about that, they're
going to say, who put that there? Who put that there? Well, Uh,
the universe put it there, if you choose, God put
(44:00):
it there. There's also a monolith on Mars that has
been observed. Uh. And these are two things that I
think we should really really explore. Here's the thing. They're
probably natural, you know, if you we Ofcom's razor it,
they're probably natural rock formations. However, that there are two,
one on both the planet and the moon, one of
(44:21):
the moons of the planet is fascinating to me and
I think we should explore it. And I'm pretty sure
buzz Aldren believed we should as well. Absolutely look that's
fascinating to me that he, he himself, being known for
someone of being somewhat of his skeptic, would be so
interested in this idea. And you know, I wanted to
(44:42):
ask this question. I can't remember if we asked it before.
If offered, would you take a one way ticket to
live on Mars? That's tough, man, but you know, with
like a cool job. And let's say you knew you
wouldn't die on the way, you could give me some
asure and says, yeah, if it had been done, I
(45:02):
might do it. I would totally do it. I would
also I would be the one who would say, well,
we don't have to stop at Mars. You know, I'll
just I'll keep going if we if you have snacks.
Have you guys seen the new Lost in Space reboot? Yeah?
Not a fan? Not a fan, I'm not. I haven't
really gotten that deep into The only reason I mentioned
is because there's a whole thing in that show where
they I'll have to take a test like aptitude tests
(45:24):
in order to become the new colonizers of space or
the new planet that they're trying to find because Earth
is not doing so well. So what do you think
of unidentified flying objects. Are they all mundane? Is there
something further at play? Have astronauts actually seen these and
later denied them or have they been misquoted and mischaracterized
(45:49):
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Does hearing about a true crime case always leave you scouring the internet for the truth behind the story? Dive into your next mystery with Crime Junkie. Every Monday, join your host Ashley Flowers as she unravels all the details of infamous and underreported true crime cases with her best friend Brit Prawat. From cold cases to missing persons and heroes in our community who seek justice, Crime Junkie is your destination for theories and stories you won’t hear anywhere else. Whether you're a seasoned true crime enthusiast or new to the genre, you'll find yourself on the edge of your seat awaiting a new episode every Monday. If you can never get enough true crime... Congratulations, you’ve found your people. Follow to join a community of Crime Junkies! Crime Junkie is presented by audiochuck Media Company.