June 20, 2014 • 37 mins
You've probably heard about Nikola Tesla, but what about Thomas Henry Moray? Listen in to learn why some people believe this little-known electrical engineer may have discovered a revolutionary zero-point energy device.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
From UFOs two, ghosts and government cover ups. Histories were
with unexplained events. You can turn back now or learn
the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello everyone,
welcome back to the show. My name is Matt and
I am Ben, and we are both suffering from some
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kind of cold. I'm not sure what it is. I
think we've been working a little too closely on these episodes.
Been maybe, yeah, because we both got hit with the
same viral thing. Um, whatever it is, it's constricting everything
above my neck. So yeah, sorry, that's not really Look,
that's not a transition. Guys listening to this, We just
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we just want to let you know. That's why we
sound a little weird, speaking of fantastic segues. Right, Well,
you know one thing that is funny is that whenever
one of us is under the weather, um you know how, listeners,
when you are under the weather and you have a
sword throat, you notice that you get the batman boys.
You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads or whatever that
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line was. But yes, today we returned to you, having
narrowly avoided Death's door and still not quite up to Uh,
we couldn't we couldn't wait to get back onto the
podcast and to talk about a subject that was fascinating
from the moment you introduced it, Matt, And this one
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is something that you came up with. Could you give
us an introduction here? Sure? This week we've been looking
at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla, one of our
oldest videos, and we're really interested in the subject because
this seems to be energy and electricity and the gathering
of it seems to be one of the most important
things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer, like the
(01:52):
computer that just made that noise, it would not be
here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere and store it.
Uh Okay, So this A lot of people know about Nikola, Tesla,
A lot of people know about Thomas Edison. There are
a lot of big names out there, sure, yeah, But
there are people who wanted to try different unconventional ways
to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public. And
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one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray.
And you may have heard of him, but probably not,
and we're gonna talk about him today. Yeah. So who
was Thomas Henry Murray Will He was born in August
in eight let's both high five, Matt. You and I
were both born in August, not of ee, not of
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e two, as far as we know. Uh So, Mr
Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College. He became
an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses at the
University of Uppsala, and uh for decades he was tinkering
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with these ideas of alternative energy, following the lead of Tesla,
who was one of his personal inspirations. So this is
huge for me. As much as we admire Tesla right now,
imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary, but you know
you're aware of Tesla, and you're aware of his research,
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and it's kind of current, and you're like, oh man,
how can I expand on this, especially if you were
bright enough as this gentleman apparently was. Right, that's all
now we have to get. Also, you'll notice as we
go forward that we are putting in a healthy dose
of apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh So. In sometime in
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the nineteen twenties, Um Murray began demonstrating what he called
radiant energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this
thing is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector,
at least that's what they called it. Um. He he
termed he coined the term a Moray valve. And okay,
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so here, let's just go through how it works. Been
so allegedly it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates
oscillations that are already existent in the radiant energy from space.
So the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um,
other stars that just exists out there, from the ionosphere.
That idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there.
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Oh yeah, like the the that idea of energy, uh,
the idea of some energy from the heavens. He's not
the first person to do that. No, no, he's not
the last. But the oscillation thing then would be that
this energy is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes,
and somehow being able to harness those waves. So he
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he had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to
basically high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers and
I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um,
but it means that the device was allegedly able to
convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay,
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So if we think about the way that a hydro
power generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy,
right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical
movement of waves, right right, yeah times. Uh. In this case,
you're dealing with something a little more I was gonna say, esoteric,
but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's if it's real.
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Uh So. One of the most popular tests that you
will hear about when you read about Murray or talk
about Murray is that this Murray valve apparently ran for
a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop one time, generating
around fifty kilowatts of power, and it had no connection
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to conventional power sources. This is a great bar story already.
Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's the crazy thing. Then
there were a ton of contemporary or at least a
handful of contemporary experts at the time that got to
take a look at this device and they said, okay,
well it's working. Something's happening. You're getting electricity. But they
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couldn't explain how the heck it worked right. And these
were engineers, journalists, apparently officials from various UH companies like
Bell laboratories or government agencies like the Department of Agriculture,
and someone even according to Moray, disassembled and rebuilt the
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device and got it working, you know, because it's a
solid state uh detector. So you can take apart these
things and then put them back together. If that is true,
that's an extraordinary test because you know, even even today
if you look on YouTube, where tear down videos are
so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff. But what okay,
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so we said, we're going to go back more detail
on this device. So what what exactly were they tearing apart?
What is the Murray device? Or well, let's start with
what it was not, And what it was not was
a perpetual motion machine, or at least an alleged perpetual
motion machine. He even explicitly said that that was not this.
So okay, well, let's talk about what a perpetual motion
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machine is. I guess right. Um, So, as far as
we know, that's not possible a machine that you could
that would not be connected up to any at least
known energy source, that would be able to create power,
some forum of usable work in perpetuity that we that
currently does not exist at least to our knowledge, and
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it cannot exist because it would violate the thermodynamic laws
right for laws describing the characteristics of closed systems. Without
going too far into this um, the laws of thermodynamics
are some of the most well established laws in in
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the in the world of physics, primarily because almost everything
we observe, pretty much everything we've observed so far, seems
to uh substantiate the existence of these these principles. Now,
we had an interesting moment because you and I did
a vlog earlier in the week on the types of
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perpetual motion machines, whether someone has invented them or not,
and we had some great responses on YouTube, some some
of you, if you are watching our YouTube shows as well,
thank you. Some some of you raise some really cool
and interesting points with some stuff we want to follow
up on. One of the big ones we got that
I want to address directly is um the notion that
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the universe itself is a perpetual motion machine. However, the
tricky word here, as I think we say, is the
word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor and ever. Amen. That uh
that from what we understand about the observable universe is
not is at least not going to happen with our
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universe due to the um unstoppable build of entropy. Yeah,
you can't stop entropy, at least we can't do it yet.
That well, that's the thing there there with our universe,
at least our current models, there was in an insertion
of energy, a energy, a point where the energy expanded
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and if the Big Bang happened, if the Big Bang happened,
which is our currently our best model, uh, there was
energy input and it's going to go and move like that.
It's going to continue to grow and expand and then
we'll see what happens after that. Yeah, if we want
to space out a little bit, I know this is
a tangent, but then we could also look at it,
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um look at the universe from a bigger, bigger picture
than the Big Bang, and that would be like the
Big Bang and then a big crunch, then another big bang.
So this series of oscillating universe, if you will universes,
I guess, or it's one big wave man, it's yeah man,
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True Detective second season, please get here faster. Well, we'll
see what they say, uh, if they if they have
that wouldn't it be cool if Rust made a cameo.
Oh please. I don't think he can though, because it's
differ different time period. Okay, well, no spoilers. If you
haven't watched it, check it out. Uh without kids in
(10:40):
the room, dude, we should start getting paid to do
that kind of thing, talking about shows that we yeah,
that I love. How do we do that? I don't know.
I feel like it's payment enough for us to do
it that way, because if someone was paying us to
say that we like to show that we didn't like. Yeah,
if that's that's not I don't know if I'd be
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comfortable doing And that's not going to happen. So we
are not being paid to endorse true detective. We just
enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us. But anyhow,
so Murray there is and you say, no, you guys
are being dicks. This is not a perpetual motion machine
because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified source that
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modern human beings have yet to use, and it's called
it's It might be confusing for some of us right
now to hear it called alternately a radiant energy device.
And we're describing these antennas these semiconductors and stuff. But
why is it called a valve? What's called a valve
because the most important part of it is this valve, right,
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So al right, bear with us here. Okay, So the
valve itself, it's made of this kind of quote, a
mixture of tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a
radioactive or fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside
a tube. Yeah, and we're gonna keep going with some
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quotations here for for the description of this this alleged machine.
So the antenna on the Murray device could vary, but
they were always going to be built out of some
highly conductive metal, and the valve inside was functioning as
a diode or deode of sort. Right. And so here's
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the part where it gets suited science, if it hasn't
already for all the for all the physics majors who
are already throwing room. Yeah, I get ready reset your
eyes because they may roll pretty crazily here. Um. So,
according to Murray, when the machine was tuned to the
resonance of zero point energy in the area, this energy
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flowed through the antenna and to the valve. The valve
acted kind of as a one way gay, so it
trapped the energy feeding the load of the machine once
the This meant that the matter in the vicinity of
the machine was out of equilibrium and the zero point
energy was not returning, creating an energy vacuum. So to
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restore this equilibrium, energy would flow towards the vacuum and
in the process created greater capacity for this valve to
pump electricity. Alright, alright, I'm right. So it's again. I'll
take another water example. Okay, so think of a water wheel.
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That's a very clever invention. It's not a perpetual motion machine,
and it's powered by an external source of energy. Right,
water moving. So when uh, when this when the water
from a streamer, creek or whatever hits the water wheel,
it fills up the series of ferris wheel things right
in the on the wheel and I'm sure there's a
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specific name for them, you guys. I'm sorry, I'm usually
better at these. And then um, the motion of the
water pushes the wheel and then the weight of the
water returning brings it back down. So it's kind of
a a loop in that regard. That's the idea, I
guess so with invisible cosmic a yeah, exactly, and uh yeah,
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and of course then in this case it would be
the idea of an energy vacuum rather than gravity powering
part of the process. But here's the thing, we don't know.
We can't no matter how many times it was demonstrated
back then, we will never get to see that device
in action. That's correct. That's because it was destroyed, and
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it was reportedly because more a. Basically, he decided not
to sell it um and he didn't want to disclose
the plans to build one of these things. Um. So
either either the big business quote big business like Bell Laboratories,
or anyone interested in energy and monetizing it um or
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communists rush up, perhaps somebody somebody. He didn't want someone
to get their hands on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway,
today's children are still trying to figure out how to
use this device and to recreate it. Oh. I have
some interesting let's call them again bar stories about about
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how this went down. So that's really what the show is,
by the way, bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we
turned the audio studio into a bar. Knowle's got this
button that he pushes, Uh, the killer tender man. He's
really good. Yeah, and the shelves flip yeah, and we
have all sorts of drinks that right, and drinks that
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he thought weren't real, things like that Victory jin from
It is terrible. It's so it's so bad. Winston was right,
it's not cool. But we we have other things. So anyway,
here we are in a bar, where where else would
be more appropriate for the stories that we're about to say.
So the story goes that Murray was we talked about
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this in our episode, that Murray was involved with something
called the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and
they were infiltrated by uh, the Reds. I could have
some dramatic music mill. Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect,
We just got infiltrated. That was how good? That was so? Uh.
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His assistant turned out to be one of these communist agents,
and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it. But
Murray also said that he his wife, and his children
were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to give
up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know,
that's a common theme, Uh, with new forms of energy,
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new forms of harnessing energy. The idea of persecution be yeah,
being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So uh so
we do know that one of the first things you
do if you're an inventor in that day in age,
and you want to legitimize yourself, so you're not just
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you know, doctor Pede Slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever.
I don't know. It sounded made up, and uh he
uh we we do know that Murray applied for a patent.
You go to the patent office, you lock your idea down.
But he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First,
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the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one,
which scientific understanding the day said a cold cathode would
be silly, who are you, doctor Slickawilly? And second, um
Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he
couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well yeah,
and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form
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of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given
a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. So let's
get into a concept here that we're going to talk
about in our upcoming episode something called zero point energy.
Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well, according
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to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and it's
just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people have
been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically since
the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got we've
got a quotation here from that article, uh, by a
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fellow named John o'bben in obyen In, a material science
researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. And he's
got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says,
zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the
electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in
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the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually
a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even
at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius,
and of course, even when no matter is present. The
effect of these vacuum fields has been detected, just barely.
The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce
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in a capacitor, which is really just too close parallel
metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you
can detect a chain or what is it? I really
don't I can't wrap my head around it, but you
can you can detect that there is energy or movement
of some sort between the two plates and the so.
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So I guess what we're saying is that zero point
energy has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's
a cool name, but because it is meant to describe
the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can
have after all of the other energy is removed, even
in a vacuum. Right, So, scientists still don't completely understand
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the nature of this, but it is real and you know,
for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed
your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard, um,
we we hope that this is a little bit of
a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly,
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when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which
we're we're branching towards with this, when you get to
the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise,
it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Yeah, yeah,
because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's
still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C.
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Clark quotations Clark body all day. So there's a problem
with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is that
even if we can harness this energy and make use
of it, somehow, it seems to be so low energy.
The it's the lowest form currently that we can that
we know of energy. That how is it going to
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be useful? How are we going to be able to
harness enough of it to actually make an impact on
human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The
zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense.
The idea of zero point energy is that there is
a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic
energy in all matter, even at absolute zero again negative
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to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to
vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this
motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less,
left with less than the minimum amount that the laws
of quantum physics require it to have. Yeah, alright, So
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so again we're stuck on the laws and the you know,
the the laws are there because they're the closest we
have to an absolute right. Um. And I always say
closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right yeah,
we we We can always be ninety nine sure that
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something is going to happen, but there's always that chance
that point oh oh yeah, um yeah. And here's here's
what's interesting. However, we do know that, um, even the
iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in um,
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you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we
look at how recent the human exploration of the physical
world is in in this sort of regard, and then
over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the
span of Earth itself, not to mention the universe, then
this is a very recent understanding that that we're trying
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to arrive at. And we know that there have been
other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have the
same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've looked
at a couple of these. You might remember real energy,
which I love the R I l love it. You
might associate that with Nazis and the idea that there
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you know, I guess it's just another word for kind
of the same thing being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah,
to harness an energy that just exists there, and that
goes back as well to that. That concept goes back
as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern
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societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these
machines powered by some sort of serious anti gravity sort
of paintings of them. Yes, and we uh, Matt and
I are going to probably be returning to some Nazi
stuff in the next few months. I just act surprised
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when it happens. Um. And then we we also have
talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem Reich and
the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get lost on
YouTube watching videos about oregonology. Yeah. If you The thing is,
um that if you just focus your what what your
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sexual prowess in the in the appropriate directions and when
the appropriate mindset, then you too can change the world,
can burst clouds, you can put them back together. Um.
But and it's lost at least some of the recent
videos I've watched, I've lost that sexual part that was
originally there. And will I'm reichs singing. Now it's just
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about crystals and metals and arranging them and resonance. Now
we we also we should point out that we have
we have a video that touches on real but we
have some stuff just about villan Reich and if you
want to if you want to learn more about that,
those videos are a great starting point because, uh, something
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really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in this episode,
but something very strange happens to him and his research
towards the end of his life. And it's absolutely proven
and it's not a secret. Yeah, so you'll have to
hopefully go to our website something they'll want, you know,
dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff
happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true.
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Now it's time for us to separate some fact and
some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody,
and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or
a similar device and that we know of, Yes, public
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nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that
many of the things we're talking about here come directly
from More's books and writings, and several of them are
available online. So if you're interested in this stuff, you
want to learn more about it, you can actually get
more A's stuff, right. Yeah, the his his most popular book,
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I Think the Sea and Which Earth Floats or uh,
it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically in our video. Uh,
that book itself is not available to read for free
online as far as I know, but he has several
other shorter books that are UM based on lectures he
gave that that do do address this UM. The Patent
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Office has yet to award more A successors, though from
what we can find, they do keep the patent uh current,
so the application current. Rather so they have been trying
to get this patent. So here's a fact. One of
the one of the biggest topics here that we talked
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about earlier is technology suppression and it's a huge conspiracy,
but it's also fact because if you just think about
the the monetary goals and the consequences that would that
would occur if someone could bring out some kind of new, cheap,
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maybe even free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences
to the economy, to these massive businesses and corporations that
own huge billions and billions of dollars worth of steak
that you know, there isn't free energy that you have
to pay for your energy somehow. Uh huh, yeah, I
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see what you're saying. The the the idea with this
tech suppression stuff is that the world's governing powers are
actively working in concert to suppress any technology that could
topple the status quo. At a fascinating conversation with some
folks about this a long time ago, Matt um over
at Georgia Tech, and the idea was, you know, at
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this time, I was was pretty skeptical still of the
idea of global tech suppression. I can see it happening
in some countries, but not for extended period of time
across the world. And I was talking to this a
friend of mine who said that he believed it definitely
does happen. And furthermore, here's where he got weird. He
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said it should happen because something as disruptive as free energy,
you know, which people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh,
something that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free.
Being out of that system would uh cripple economy. So
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people that free power, but they wouldn't be able to
get food or they wouldn't be able to find shelter.
And while I see that argument, I think that it
is self serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true.
And that's this this part, by the way, guys, is
entirely my opinion. But the concept is frightening. The concept
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that there would be uh, some group of interest that
would rather the world exists as a place of suffering,
inequality and artificial scarcity of resource is um is just
it's horrifying. I mean, you know, it's not even a
rain in hell versus serving heaven thing. It's a rain
in hell versus be a regular person and rightly, yeah,
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in a slightly better world. So it's been alleged since
ancient times. You know that you can read about people
saying that the wheel was repressed in sun cultures. Um, well, nowadays,
it's not that hard of a task to suppress technology
because of our patent system. If you control the patents,
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then you control the system, you know, I mean in
my eyes, at least, especially with the some of these
secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's jump in like that's
what we should definitely end our episode on here. So skeptics,
they say that there couldn't be. And I've been one
of these before, they say that there couldn't be a
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UM an effective suppression campaign nowadays there are too many
people that would be required to keep this secret. And
then also, if you were one of these governing interests,
wouldn't you want to monetize the new tech? Wouldn't you
want to UM make money? And also, hey be the
guy who saves the world or the lady who gets
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the Nobel Prize for completely changing the world of physics.
We um. I mean it's a it's a really good
point to make. People who support the idea of suppression
would then note what happened with warden Cliff Tower. Yeah,
but anyway, I just wanted to step into paint the scene. Now,
that's fine, that's really fun. I didn't mean to jump
the past. No, no no, no, no, Well, tell me tell
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me what's up with tell me what's up with patents,
because this is something that we always try to point
out you and I because a lot of people don't
know this and everybody should know this. Okay, So, according
to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight in the
year two thousand eight till the end of September in
that year, a total of sixty eight new US inventions
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were made secret, but only twenty two of them against
fifty three from the previous year, came from what the U. S.
Patent and Trademark Office calls John does. These are a
private U S. Citizens who invent some kind of thing
and then apply for a patent, you know, like somebody
who makes them in their garage, like a true inventor.
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And this is not just in the United States. Technological
suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a
gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO
countries and also Australia New Zealand, if you invent something,
you can see your invention become uh subject to government secrecy.
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Often you might not ever see it again for any
useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this
invention as a threat to national security, its publication is
legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is
deemed to have lapsed. And right you can't even tell
people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this
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has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if
we look at how many patents are under wraps that
we've we being um, the US, the public. We've figured
out about how many have been applied and put under
this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number? Guys?
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It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have
been kept under REPS five thousand and two possible huge
game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a
thousand patents. So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah,
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five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what
it is? I can't tell you what it is, and
can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't
tell you what it is. Yeah, the avenger is the
one who will get in trouble. We could guess and
just get a talking to perhaps. So this so here
we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know
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that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know,
before we run off the rails and say that Uncle
Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of
fossil fuels, well, what we do have to realize is
that a lot of these patents could become secret because
(34:11):
somebody stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s
A was already working on you know what I mean
that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam is the
energy company. You know, that's that's a that's an interesting
thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's a that's
(34:31):
a possibility. That might be a story for a later
day or different podcasts. What do you think? So we
know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh,
whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of
his time, we know that technology suppression is real. And
(34:52):
it's not just in the United States. It's all over
the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this
Moray guy and this machine for a while. I really
want to know. I want to know if something worked. Yeah,
it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of
what if this is real? Someone discovered a solid state
detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they
(35:14):
legally cannot tell us about it, uh, and what if
they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this
The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible,
that this thing, if it is real, has been invented
multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being
at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I
(35:38):
wonder how many times they have to replace the patent
office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people
are just putting their last names on the same thing.
I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so
easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this,
you know the number of people that will just dismiss
it out right and go, oh, it's a crazy person.
(35:59):
Yeah they're doing this, even if they there truly was
a revolutionary thing. The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore
skeptic inside of me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk.
Uh yeah, but we we do know that at some point, uh,
some of these things can be revealed, and we just
don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when
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you think about how many government secrets from the twenties
and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case,
regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax,
there really is stuff they don't want you to know.
Nice then, Oh, I don't know that was really nice. Alright, guys,
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the stuff they don't want you to now. Hello everyone,
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Been maybe, yeah, because we both got hit with the
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(00:43):
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you know one thing that is funny is that whenever
one of us is under the weather, um you know how, listeners,
when you are under the weather and you have a
sword throat, you notice that you get the batman boys.
You know, I'm not wearing hockey pads or whatever that
(01:06):
line was. But yes, today we returned to you, having
narrowly avoided Death's door and still not quite up to Uh,
we couldn't we couldn't wait to get back onto the
podcast and to talk about a subject that was fascinating
from the moment you introduced it, Matt, And this one
(01:28):
is something that you came up with. Could you give
us an introduction here? Sure? This week we've been looking
at suppressed energy. We started with Tesla, one of our
oldest videos, and we're really interested in the subject because
this seems to be energy and electricity and the gathering
of it seems to be one of the most important
things that exists for humanity. Um, your computer, like the
(01:52):
computer that just made that noise, it would not be
here if we couldn't efficiently get energy somewhere and store it.
Uh Okay, So this A lot of people know about Nikola, Tesla,
A lot of people know about Thomas Edison. There are
a lot of big names out there, sure, yeah, But
there are people who wanted to try different unconventional ways
to harness energy, to deploy energy to the public. And
(02:17):
one of these guys his name was Thomas Henry Moray.
And you may have heard of him, but probably not,
and we're gonna talk about him today. Yeah. So who
was Thomas Henry Murray Will He was born in August
in eight let's both high five, Matt. You and I
were both born in August, not of ee, not of
(02:39):
e two, as far as we know. Uh So, Mr
Murray graduated the Latter Day Saints Business College. He became
an engineer, getting a PhD via correspondence courses at the
University of Uppsala, and uh for decades he was tinkering
(02:59):
with these ideas of alternative energy, following the lead of Tesla,
who was one of his personal inspirations. So this is
huge for me. As much as we admire Tesla right now,
imagine if you were not necessarily contemporary, but you know
you're aware of Tesla, and you're aware of his research,
(03:21):
and it's kind of current, and you're like, oh man,
how can I expand on this, especially if you were
bright enough as this gentleman apparently was. Right, that's all
now we have to get. Also, you'll notice as we
go forward that we are putting in a healthy dose
of apparently allegedly's and reportedly uh So. In sometime in
(03:42):
the nineteen twenties, Um Murray began demonstrating what he called
radiant energy device to various people. Yeah, okay, so this
thing is kind of interesting. It's a solid state detector,
at least that's what they called it. Um. He he
termed he coined the term a Moray valve. And okay,
(04:06):
so here, let's just go through how it works. Been
so allegedly it stimulates this is kind of weird, stimulates
oscillations that are already existent in the radiant energy from space.
So the energy that's coming in from the Sun, um,
other stars that just exists out there, from the ionosphere.
That idea of harnessing that radiant energy that's just there.
(04:29):
Oh yeah, like the the that idea of energy, uh,
the idea of some energy from the heavens. He's not
the first person to do that. No, no, he's not
the last. But the oscillation thing then would be that
this energy is coming to Earth from space in waves, yes,
and somehow being able to harness those waves. So he
(04:50):
he had a bunch of antenna that we're connected to
basically high voltage capacitors, uh, some semiconductors, some transformers and
I guess we'll look at this a little later. Um,
but it means that the device was allegedly able to
convert this ambient radiant energy into some form of usable electricity. Okay,
(05:11):
So if we think about the way that a hydro
power generator is able to harness the tides to generate energy,
right yeah, Well, in that case, you've got the physical
movement of waves, right right, yeah times. Uh. In this case,
you're dealing with something a little more I was gonna say, esoteric,
but harder to grasp. Yeah, if it's if it's real.
(05:34):
Uh So. One of the most popular tests that you
will hear about when you read about Murray or talk
about Murray is that this Murray valve apparently ran for
a hundred and fifty seven hours NonStop one time, generating
around fifty kilowatts of power, and it had no connection
(05:55):
to conventional power sources. This is a great bar story already.
Oh yeah, exactly. So here here's the crazy thing. Then
there were a ton of contemporary or at least a
handful of contemporary experts at the time that got to
take a look at this device and they said, okay,
well it's working. Something's happening. You're getting electricity. But they
(06:19):
couldn't explain how the heck it worked right. And these
were engineers, journalists, apparently officials from various UH companies like
Bell laboratories or government agencies like the Department of Agriculture,
and someone even according to Moray, disassembled and rebuilt the
(06:40):
device and got it working, you know, because it's a
solid state uh detector. So you can take apart these
things and then put them back together. If that is true,
that's an extraordinary test because you know, even even today
if you look on YouTube, where tear down videos are
so popular, that's really how you demystify stuff. But what okay,
(07:03):
so we said, we're going to go back more detail
on this device. So what what exactly were they tearing apart?
What is the Murray device? Or well, let's start with
what it was not, And what it was not was
a perpetual motion machine, or at least an alleged perpetual
motion machine. He even explicitly said that that was not this.
So okay, well, let's talk about what a perpetual motion
(07:24):
machine is. I guess right. Um, So, as far as
we know, that's not possible a machine that you could
that would not be connected up to any at least
known energy source, that would be able to create power,
some forum of usable work in perpetuity that we that
currently does not exist at least to our knowledge, and
(07:46):
it cannot exist because it would violate the thermodynamic laws
right for laws describing the characteristics of closed systems. Without
going too far into this um, the laws of thermodynamics
are some of the most well established laws in in
(08:08):
the in the world of physics, primarily because almost everything
we observe, pretty much everything we've observed so far, seems
to uh substantiate the existence of these these principles. Now,
we had an interesting moment because you and I did
a vlog earlier in the week on the types of
(08:30):
perpetual motion machines, whether someone has invented them or not,
and we had some great responses on YouTube, some some
of you, if you are watching our YouTube shows as well,
thank you. Some some of you raise some really cool
and interesting points with some stuff we want to follow
up on. One of the big ones we got that
I want to address directly is um the notion that
(08:52):
the universe itself is a perpetual motion machine. However, the
tricky word here, as I think we say, is the
word perpetual, imperpetuity, forever, endeavor and ever. Amen. That uh
that from what we understand about the observable universe is
not is at least not going to happen with our
(09:14):
universe due to the um unstoppable build of entropy. Yeah,
you can't stop entropy, at least we can't do it yet.
That well, that's the thing there there with our universe,
at least our current models, there was in an insertion
of energy, a energy, a point where the energy expanded
(09:35):
and if the Big Bang happened, if the Big Bang happened,
which is our currently our best model, uh, there was
energy input and it's going to go and move like that.
It's going to continue to grow and expand and then
we'll see what happens after that. Yeah, if we want
to space out a little bit, I know this is
a tangent, but then we could also look at it,
(09:56):
um look at the universe from a bigger, bigger picture
than the Big Bang, and that would be like the
Big Bang and then a big crunch, then another big bang.
So this series of oscillating universe, if you will universes,
I guess, or it's one big wave man, it's yeah man,
(10:18):
True Detective second season, please get here faster. Well, we'll
see what they say, uh, if they if they have
that wouldn't it be cool if Rust made a cameo.
Oh please. I don't think he can though, because it's
differ different time period. Okay, well, no spoilers. If you
haven't watched it, check it out. Uh without kids in
(10:40):
the room, dude, we should start getting paid to do
that kind of thing, talking about shows that we yeah,
that I love. How do we do that? I don't know.
I feel like it's payment enough for us to do
it that way, because if someone was paying us to
say that we like to show that we didn't like. Yeah,
if that's that's not I don't know if I'd be
(11:01):
comfortable doing And that's not going to happen. So we
are not being paid to endorse true detective. We just
enjoy it, right, Yeah, sorry about that us. But anyhow,
so Murray there is and you say, no, you guys
are being dicks. This is not a perpetual motion machine
because it's receiving external energy from this unidentified source that
(11:23):
modern human beings have yet to use, and it's called
it's It might be confusing for some of us right
now to hear it called alternately a radiant energy device.
And we're describing these antennas these semiconductors and stuff. But
why is it called a valve? What's called a valve
because the most important part of it is this valve, right,
(11:49):
So al right, bear with us here. Okay, So the
valve itself, it's made of this kind of quote, a
mixture of tribo luminescent zinc, a semiconductor material, and a
radioactive or fissile material formed in a rounded pellet inside
a tube. Yeah, and we're gonna keep going with some
(12:11):
quotations here for for the description of this this alleged machine.
So the antenna on the Murray device could vary, but
they were always going to be built out of some
highly conductive metal, and the valve inside was functioning as
a diode or deode of sort. Right. And so here's
(12:33):
the part where it gets suited science, if it hasn't
already for all the for all the physics majors who
are already throwing room. Yeah, I get ready reset your
eyes because they may roll pretty crazily here. Um. So,
according to Murray, when the machine was tuned to the
resonance of zero point energy in the area, this energy
(12:55):
flowed through the antenna and to the valve. The valve
acted kind of as a one way gay, so it
trapped the energy feeding the load of the machine once
the This meant that the matter in the vicinity of
the machine was out of equilibrium and the zero point
energy was not returning, creating an energy vacuum. So to
(13:15):
restore this equilibrium, energy would flow towards the vacuum and
in the process created greater capacity for this valve to
pump electricity. Alright, alright, I'm right. So it's again. I'll
take another water example. Okay, so think of a water wheel.
(13:37):
That's a very clever invention. It's not a perpetual motion machine,
and it's powered by an external source of energy. Right,
water moving. So when uh, when this when the water
from a streamer, creek or whatever hits the water wheel,
it fills up the series of ferris wheel things right
in the on the wheel and I'm sure there's a
(13:58):
specific name for them, you guys. I'm sorry, I'm usually
better at these. And then um, the motion of the
water pushes the wheel and then the weight of the
water returning brings it back down. So it's kind of
a a loop in that regard. That's the idea, I
guess so with invisible cosmic a yeah, exactly, and uh yeah,
(14:21):
and of course then in this case it would be
the idea of an energy vacuum rather than gravity powering
part of the process. But here's the thing, we don't know.
We can't no matter how many times it was demonstrated
back then, we will never get to see that device
in action. That's correct. That's because it was destroyed, and
(14:43):
it was reportedly because more a. Basically, he decided not
to sell it um and he didn't want to disclose
the plans to build one of these things. Um. So
either either the big business quote big business like Bell Laboratories,
or anyone interested in energy and monetizing it um or
(15:04):
communists rush up, perhaps somebody somebody. He didn't want someone
to get their hands on it. Yeah, allegedly. And anyway,
today's children are still trying to figure out how to
use this device and to recreate it. Oh. I have
some interesting let's call them again bar stories about about
(15:25):
how this went down. So that's really what the show is,
by the way, bar stories. Yeah, we're podcasting from we
turned the audio studio into a bar. Knowle's got this
button that he pushes, Uh, the killer tender man. He's
really good. Yeah, and the shelves flip yeah, and we
have all sorts of drinks that right, and drinks that
(15:48):
he thought weren't real, things like that Victory jin from
It is terrible. It's so it's so bad. Winston was right,
it's not cool. But we we have other things. So anyway,
here we are in a bar, where where else would
be more appropriate for the stories that we're about to say.
So the story goes that Murray was we talked about
(16:13):
this in our episode, that Murray was involved with something
called the Rural Electrification Agency or association or service and
they were infiltrated by uh, the Reds. I could have
some dramatic music mill. Yeah, they totally just infiltrated. Perfect,
We just got infiltrated. That was how good? That was so? Uh.
(16:35):
His assistant turned out to be one of these communist agents,
and it was apparently his assistant who destroyed it. But
Murray also said that he his wife, and his children
were harassed and threatened by people who wanted to give
up the technology because it could be weaponized. You know,
that's a common theme, Uh, with new forms of energy,
(16:58):
new forms of harnessing energy. The idea of persecution be yeah,
being harassed by some external force. I don't know, man,
I don't know. Yeah, we'll get that. So uh so
we do know that one of the first things you
do if you're an inventor in that day in age,
and you want to legitimize yourself, so you're not just
(17:18):
you know, doctor Pede Slickawilly selling snake oil or whatever.
I don't know. It sounded made up, and uh he
uh we we do know that Murray applied for a patent.
You go to the patent office, you lock your idea down.
But he was not given a patent um for two reasons. First,
(17:40):
the device used a cold cathode rather than a hot one,
which scientific understanding the day said a cold cathode would
be silly, who are you, doctor Slickawilly? And second, um
Ray could not as as you said earlier, man, he
couldn't define the source or nature of this energy. Well yeah,
and maybe that's the nature of discovering a new form
(18:03):
of energy. You can't really describe it unless you've given
a name, or maybe it wasn't real anyway. So let's
get into a concept here that we're going to talk
about in our upcoming episode something called zero point energy.
Oh yeah, what the hell is it? Right? Well, according
(18:24):
to Scientific American, this is a real thing, and it's
just an unavoidable part of quantum physics. And people have
been studying this since the nineteen twenties and basically since
the discovery of quantum physics. Okay, and we've got we've
got a quotation here from that article, uh, by a
(18:46):
fellow named John o'bben in obyen In, a material science
researcher at the University of Nebraska at Omaha. And he's
got a pretty good explanation of zero point right. He says,
zero point energy refers to random quantum fluctuations in the
electromagnetic and other force fields that are present everywhere in
(19:06):
the vacuum. In other words, an empty vacuum is actually
a seething cauldron of energy. This energy is present even
at the absolute zero temperature negative two and seventy three celsius,
and of course, even when no matter is present. The
effect of these vacuum fields has been detected, just barely.
The effect is very tiny by the attraction they induce
(19:28):
in a capacitor, which is really just too close parallel
metal plates. So, uh, two plates together, and then you
can detect a chain or what is it? I really
don't I can't wrap my head around it, but you
can you can detect that there is energy or movement
of some sort between the two plates and the so.
(19:52):
So I guess what we're saying is that zero point
energy has that cool name. Uh, not just because it's
a cool name, but because it is meant to describe
the lowest possible energy that a quantum mechanical system can
have after all of the other energy is removed, even
in a vacuum. Right, So, scientists still don't completely understand
(20:14):
the nature of this, but it is real and you know,
for um, for our physics majors who have maybe destroyed
your apartment in anger listening to this or cracked or dashboard, um,
we we hope that this is a little bit of
a light at the end of the tunnel. And also, honestly,
(20:36):
when you get to the fringes of theoretical physics, which
we're we're branching towards with this, when you get to
the fringes of this sort of this sort of mental exercise,
it becomes very close to uh, metaphysics and philosophy. Yeah, yeah,
because we can't explain it yet. The only reason it's
still magic is we can't explain the old Arthur C.
(20:58):
Clark quotations Clark body all day. So there's a problem
with zero point energy, right, Yes. The problem is that
even if we can harness this energy and make use
of it, somehow, it seems to be so low energy.
The it's the lowest form currently that we can that
we know of energy. That how is it going to
(21:19):
be useful? How are we going to be able to
harness enough of it to actually make an impact on
human life? Okay, and here we have another quotation. The
zero point energy cannot be harnessed in the traditional sense.
The idea of zero point energy is that there is
a finite minimum amount of motion, or more accurately, kinetic
energy in all matter, even at absolute zero again negative
(21:43):
to seventy three celsius. For example, chemical bonds continue to
vibrate in predictable ways, but releasing the energy of this
motion is impossible because then the molecule would be less,
left with less than the minimum amount that the laws
of quantum physics require it to have. Yeah, alright, So
(22:05):
so again we're stuck on the laws and the you know,
the the laws are there because they're the closest we
have to an absolute right. Um. And I always say
closest because it's almost impossible to be certain, right yeah,
we we We can always be ninety nine sure that
(22:30):
something is going to happen, but there's always that chance
that point oh oh yeah, um yeah. And here's here's
what's interesting. However, we do know that, um, even the
iron clad laws may be completely revolutionized or reinterpreted in um,
(22:54):
you know, in the span of our lifetimes. If we
look at how recent the human exploration of the physical
world is in in this sort of regard, and then
over the span of civilization, let alone, you know, the
span of Earth itself, not to mention the universe, then
this is a very recent understanding that that we're trying
(23:17):
to arrive at. And we know that there have been
other forms of alternative energy proposed that don't have the
same proof that ZPE has. Oh yeah, we we've looked
at a couple of these. You might remember real energy,
which I love the R I l love it. You
might associate that with Nazis and the idea that there
(23:40):
you know, I guess it's just another word for kind
of the same thing being able to pull energy from yeah, yeah,
to harness an energy that just exists there, and that
goes back as well to that. That concept goes back
as well to the two ancient Indian and Near Eastern
(24:01):
societies and legends of you know, aerial warfare on these
machines powered by some sort of serious anti gravity sort
of paintings of them. Yes, and we uh, Matt and
I are going to probably be returning to some Nazi
stuff in the next few months. I just act surprised
(24:24):
when it happens. Um. And then we we also have
talked about one of your favorites, right, Willem Reich and
the Oregon energy. Oh man, you can get lost on
YouTube watching videos about oregonology. Yeah. If you The thing is,
um that if you just focus your what what your
(24:47):
sexual prowess in the in the appropriate directions and when
the appropriate mindset, then you too can change the world,
can burst clouds, you can put them back together. Um.
But and it's lost at least some of the recent
videos I've watched, I've lost that sexual part that was
originally there. And will I'm reichs singing. Now it's just
(25:08):
about crystals and metals and arranging them and resonance. Now
we we also we should point out that we have
we have a video that touches on real but we
have some stuff just about villan Reich and if you
want to if you want to learn more about that,
those videos are a great starting point because, uh, something
(25:29):
really strange. We're not gonna tell you what in this episode,
but something very strange happens to him and his research
towards the end of his life. And it's absolutely proven
and it's not a secret. Yeah, so you'll have to
hopefully go to our website something they'll want, you know,
dot com or YouTube to check it out. Weird stuff
happens to people who are exploring new energy. That is true.
(25:51):
Now it's time for us to separate some fact and
some fiction here. So here's a fact. At this point, nobody,
and I mean nobody has satisfactorily reproduced this device or
a similar device and that we know of, Yes, public
(26:12):
nobody's publicly done that. And it should be noted that
many of the things we're talking about here come directly
from More's books and writings, and several of them are
available online. So if you're interested in this stuff, you
want to learn more about it, you can actually get
more A's stuff, right. Yeah, the his his most popular book,
(26:35):
I Think the Sea and Which Earth Floats or uh,
it's something like that. We mentioned it specifically in our video. Uh,
that book itself is not available to read for free
online as far as I know, but he has several
other shorter books that are UM based on lectures he
gave that that do do address this UM. The Patent
(26:57):
Office has yet to award more A successors, though from
what we can find, they do keep the patent uh current,
so the application current. Rather so they have been trying
to get this patent. So here's a fact. One of
the one of the biggest topics here that we talked
(27:18):
about earlier is technology suppression and it's a huge conspiracy,
but it's also fact because if you just think about
the the monetary goals and the consequences that would that
would occur if someone could bring out some kind of new, cheap,
(27:40):
maybe even free energy that could be harnessed, the consequences
to the economy, to these massive businesses and corporations that
own huge billions and billions of dollars worth of steak
that you know, there isn't free energy that you have
to pay for your energy somehow. Uh huh, yeah, I
(28:01):
see what you're saying. The the the idea with this
tech suppression stuff is that the world's governing powers are
actively working in concert to suppress any technology that could
topple the status quo. At a fascinating conversation with some
folks about this a long time ago, Matt um over
at Georgia Tech, and the idea was, you know, at
(28:25):
this time, I was was pretty skeptical still of the
idea of global tech suppression. I can see it happening
in some countries, but not for extended period of time
across the world. And I was talking to this a
friend of mine who said that he believed it definitely
does happen. And furthermore, here's where he got weird. He
(28:46):
said it should happen because something as disruptive as free energy,
you know, which people are literally dying to pay for now, Uh,
something that fundamental to the current economic system becoming free.
Being out of that system would uh cripple economy. So
(29:08):
people that free power, but they wouldn't be able to
get food or they wouldn't be able to find shelter.
And while I see that argument, I think that it
is self serving and shortsighted if this stuff is true.
And that's this this part, by the way, guys, is
entirely my opinion. But the concept is frightening. The concept
(29:30):
that there would be uh, some group of interest that
would rather the world exists as a place of suffering,
inequality and artificial scarcity of resource is um is just
it's horrifying. I mean, you know, it's not even a
rain in hell versus serving heaven thing. It's a rain
in hell versus be a regular person and rightly, yeah,
(29:54):
in a slightly better world. So it's been alleged since
ancient times. You know that you can read about people
saying that the wheel was repressed in sun cultures. Um, well, nowadays,
it's not that hard of a task to suppress technology
because of our patent system. If you control the patents,
(30:14):
then you control the system, you know, I mean in
my eyes, at least, especially with the some of these
secretive patents that exist. Yeah, let's jump in like that's
what we should definitely end our episode on here. So skeptics,
they say that there couldn't be. And I've been one
of these before, they say that there couldn't be a
(30:35):
UM an effective suppression campaign nowadays there are too many
people that would be required to keep this secret. And
then also, if you were one of these governing interests,
wouldn't you want to monetize the new tech? Wouldn't you
want to UM make money? And also, hey be the
guy who saves the world or the lady who gets
(30:55):
the Nobel Prize for completely changing the world of physics.
We um. I mean it's a it's a really good
point to make. People who support the idea of suppression
would then note what happened with warden Cliff Tower. Yeah,
but anyway, I just wanted to step into paint the scene. Now,
that's fine, that's really fun. I didn't mean to jump
the past. No, no no, no, no, Well, tell me tell
(31:15):
me what's up with tell me what's up with patents,
because this is something that we always try to point
out you and I because a lot of people don't
know this and everybody should know this. Okay, So, according
to New Scientists UM, from two thousand eight in the
year two thousand eight till the end of September in
that year, a total of sixty eight new US inventions
(31:36):
were made secret, but only twenty two of them against
fifty three from the previous year, came from what the U. S.
Patent and Trademark Office calls John does. These are a
private U S. Citizens who invent some kind of thing
and then apply for a patent, you know, like somebody
who makes them in their garage, like a true inventor.
(31:57):
And this is not just in the United States. Technological
suppression is real. It is legal. You can get a
gag order if you invent something. So in fifteen NATO
countries and also Australia New Zealand, if you invent something,
you can see your invention become uh subject to government secrecy.
(32:19):
Often you might not ever see it again for any
useful time frame. And that's because if someone sees this
invention as a threat to national security, its publication is
legally suppressed until such a time as the threat is
deemed to have lapsed. And right you can't even tell
people that your invention has been suppressed. So, um, this
(32:44):
has this has some really interesting comparisons here. Um, if
we look at how many patents are under wraps that
we've we being um, the US, the public. We've figured
out about how many have been applied and put under
this gag order stuff. Do you want to hear the number? Guys?
(33:05):
It's huge. Five thousand and two estimated patents that have
been kept under REPS five thousand and two possible huge
game changers. Okay, so, uh, Thomas Edison and about a
thousand patents. So that's uh, that's about five Thomas Edison's Yeah,
(33:28):
five Thomas Edison's worth of stuff of who knows what
it is? I can't tell you what it is, and
can't tell you what it is. Even the inventor can't
tell you what it is. Yeah, the avenger is the
one who will get in trouble. We could guess and
just get a talking to perhaps. So this so here
we are in two thousand and fourteen, and we know
(33:50):
that technology can be suppressed effectively. And when you know,
before we run off the rails and say that Uncle
Sam is keeping the world in a dark age of
fossil fuels, well, what we do have to realize is
that a lot of these patents could become secret because
(34:11):
somebody stumbled upon something that DARPA or the n s
A was already working on you know what I mean
that Uncle Sam is ge and Uncle Sam is the
energy company. You know, that's that's a that's an interesting
thing too, because I mean, yeah, well that's a that's
(34:31):
a possibility. That might be a story for a later
day or different podcasts. What do you think? So we
know that no matter what, regardless of whether Murray's uh,
whether Murray was a charlatan or a man ahead of
his time, we know that technology suppression is real. And
(34:52):
it's not just in the United States. It's all over
the world. Ah. I'm going to be thinking about this
Moray guy and this machine for a while. I really
want to know. I want to know if something worked. Yeah,
it's interesting to wonder if somebody discovered some sort of
what if this is real? Someone discovered a solid state
detector in their garage, applied for a patent, and they
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legally cannot tell us about it, uh, and what if
they're one of many? You know? To me, that's this
The weird thing is that it is possible, if not plausible,
that this thing, if it is real, has been invented
multiple times and suppressed multiple times. Can you imagine being
at the patent office and going another one. Gosh, I
(35:38):
wonder how many times they have to replace the patent
office the Frederick device one day. One day, these people
are just putting their last names on the same thing.
I have to keep up hope, though, because it's so
easy to spread information. Now, although you spread something like this,
you know the number of people that will just dismiss
it out right and go, oh, it's a crazy person.
(35:59):
Yeah they're doing this, even if they there truly was
a revolutionary thing. The hardcore skeptic, I mean, the hardcore
skeptic inside of me might even say, yeah, that's crazy talk.
Uh yeah, but we we do know that at some point, uh,
some of these things can be revealed, and we just
don't know the timeline, you know. It's it's weird when
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you think about how many government secrets from the twenties
and stuff remain classified. Dude, there really is in this case,
regardless of whether Murray's machine works, whether it's a hoax,
there really is stuff they don't want you to know.
Nice then, Oh, I don't know that was really nice. Alright, guys,
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