December 12, 2025 • 58 mins
Tonight's episode: Ben, Matt, Noel and Dylan ask: How many planets exist? According to current astronomical research, a lot of speculation and tons of conspiracy theories, there may be more to the solar system.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn this stuff they don't want you to know. A
production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my
name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, by which we mean probably
on Earth. Most that makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. Welcome back everyone. We're recording on Monday,
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December eighth, and we are pleased as punch lines that
you are here. We're diving into something we speculated about
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Humanity has speculated about it for a long time since
that Zechariah Sitchen Fellow has come along.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
For sure, this is yeah. The story of this particular
topic goes back millions and billions of years before the
rise of that humanity that you know had so much
to say about it. On the Solar system is home
to you know, just countless hidden mysteries, history mysteries, and
this one is an absolute doozy and one that you're
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probably not going to find in your astronomy textbooks or
whatever they teach in school.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Now, yeah, and you can tell folks that most of
us have not been in a classroom in a while.
We remember the experience though, We remember seeing those textbooks.
This is something we have been obsessed with since before
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the very first video of stuff. They don't want you
to know. It's a subject of intense scrutiny, controversy, allegations,
and debate. So here, finally, at the end of twenty
twenty five, we're doing it. This is our episode on NABIU.
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This is also our cold open. We'll explain the word later.
Here are the facts. Dylan, let me do like a
nineteen eighty stand up thing. Bump the mic b ba
b boph Is it like slapping base? Like y sinefold
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kind vibes?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wait, wait, Dylan, can we get like a crowd sound?
Like a quiet, hushed crowd sound. And then Ben is
up on stage. All right, Ben, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh my gosh, uh Matt, I'm gonna take that as
a compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, you know that said. It's a quiet out. You're
on stage.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
All right, like Noel said, the base they're stilling. Okay,
there we go, what's the deal with the solar system?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It takes first record cut.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's the special thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Things were like Darth Vader never actually said Luke, I
am your father with some version of that. Do you
think Seinfeld ever actually said what's the deal with something?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Is it on record?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Or is this just like a Seinfeld approximation like something.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Jerry Jerry probably did it after the fact, like after
it became self referential.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Probably true.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, But the but the idea of the solar system
should be familiar to all of us, right. It's the
local neighborhood for all known life. And the neighborhood is
pretty big in the immediate perspective, but it's pretty small
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in the larger perspective. It's beautiful in its way. But
you know what, guys, if we think about it, the
solar system is an abandoned street in a rough part
of the galaxy. Our solar system has only one occupied house.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, yeah, and the classic heliocentric model the solar system,
it's really just a solar system, right, I mean there
are others you know. It's our orbiting around a glowing
heat producing energy dense star body.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Whatever you guys feel bad about yourselves in the future,
I'm gonna be like, hey man, you're my solar system.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, well, let's talk about how big it is, because
it's one of those weird things we've talked about a
few times. Yeah, and we met measure again in an
earth centric way aus AUS, which is the distance from
us to our star, right, which is around ninety one
point five point six million miles.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Very self centered. Earth has obviously gone to therapy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, sure, getting into the nitty gritty of it of
what's going on with us here on Earth and Earth
in general. So we measure the size of the solar
system in that distance, and it's somewhere between one hundred
thousand and two hundred thousand aus, so one hundred thousand
or two hundred thousand times ninety one point five million.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, big place. Right. Most people are too small in
height to be measured in AUS. We have not done
the math, but most people, even if you stand up straight,
are not going to be as tall as the single
unit of AU that you just described, Matt and Gosh.
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Since before the dawn of recorded history, the Homo sapien
has been captivated with this idea of itself, its location
on this planet called Earth, with the nearby observable planets,
with the universe beyond, out there in the ink, and
there are tons and tons of things out there. We
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call them in general celestial bodies, but only a few
are called planets. So the current scientific consensus tells us
this solar system, this little neighborhood, has eight planets. I
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know a lot of people are gonna get pissed when
they hear that. For sure, Even in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Five, there are eight official planets, but there's still some
on the little list there, like on the bench. They're like, oh,
come on, I put me in for a couple of plays,
just a couple.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And this comes to us via the work of the
International Astronomical Union. In two thousand and six, they made
a game time decision. They have three criteria defining planet
actual right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So first, they have to orbit a star like we
were talking about earlier in the heliocentric model of the universe.
In our case, that is the Sun, which is the
center of the Solar system, which makes sense. There are
other objects in space that do the same thing. There
are other Solar systems. Second, they have to possess sufficient
mass for what we call hydrostatic equilibrium, which is just
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a wow, it's even hard to say equilibrium, which is
just a fancy way of describing a state of balanced gravity.
Gravity which wants to pull things together and pressure wants
to blow things apart. So stars actually have this force
as well, and it's the reason that our Sun looks
like a ball. But hydrostatic equilibrium alone does not make
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a planet round. You need something else, which is our
last bit of criteria.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, these are our first two. So a thing that
orbits a star, a thing that has hydrostatic equilibrium. And
the last criteria is you gotta play highland or rules.
A planet has to have cleared its neighboring region of
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other objects. So the concept here is that there is
a there is a reason that Mars and Earth are
not orbiting on the same right.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's the way when you've seen those old pictures,
or maybe that's how you even see it in your mind.
When you picture the Solar system, you see kind of
a plane of planets, right that are all along a
roughly similar plane to the Sun, And that is part
of how our Solar system works. The other thing is, guys,
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that whole hydrostatic equilibrium thing. That's why I was always puzzled.
While you could have a planet like ours and Mars,
and you could also have a planet like Jupiter and Saturn.
That's what's known as a gas giant. So it's mostly
just gases that have reached that hydrostatic equilibrium thing that
makes them appear as a ball, right and holds things
in to a certain extent, but then forces other things out.
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It's just it's really strange to me still that those
two types of celestial bodies are considered the same thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And you nailed it there, Matt, the concept celestial bodies.
Please do check out our recent episode or our recent
other conversations about things that came and went in this
bandowed neighborhood of the galaxy.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And if I could just issue a slight correction on
something I misstated earlier. Hydrostatic equilibrium is the force that
makes the planet round, but it is not the only
force that makes one of these bodies a planet.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, of course, like as we're seeing, the International Astronomical
Union back in two thousand and six came up with
this definition, these three these three criteria, and per that criteria,
this solar system in which you are probably listening to
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this podcast has eight actual planets, So in order of
closest to furthest from the Sun, they are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,
Uranus or Urinus if you're not fun and Neptune. And
here we get a throw to Tennessee what's the best
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mnemonic for that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The most ellen to date, one that that really jives
with these are modern times.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, very eager mother just served us. And then the
inn I say, Nabisco or nest quick it used to
be nine pies when you know Pluto was in the game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Or pizzas is Matt pointed out, I believe off Mike.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, don't your nomadic Matt.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what it was,
the nine pizzas thing. Our very enigmatic mother just served
us nine pizzas or something like enigmatic.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
What's in the pizzas? Then? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh? I don't know. But guys, I was thinking about this,
this concept of planets clearing their general vicinity. You upon
hearing that, you may, as I do, feel kind of
weird about it because you don't all these planets have
had and then you realize, oh, okay, But the difference
is those celestial bodies actually orbit the planet rather than
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orbit the Sun. Well, it's all orbiting the Sun, but
they were caught in that planet's orbit, right, That's what
makes it different from just other stuff that's rolling around.
But when you think about what about all these dang
asteroids around Earth the belt we have a cleared well,
not even the Kiper Belt, just our our general area.
We've got a whole swarm of stuff that exists around
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us and all the other planets. It is interesting just
to imagine how much stuff is actually moving around in
our Solar system, despite all of these planets being so
far away from each other.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's a lot of stuff out in the ink. And
aside from the three commonalities that the IAU has defined,
each planet per this definition is unique in its makeup,
its location, its passage around the star, and of course
it's unique in its estimated potential for life. Most of
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these things that humanity calls planets were discovered way way
back in the ancient Deeve Deans. However, humanity didn't clock
of you of them until much more recently. Urinus or
Uranus if you're cool on March thirteenth, seventeen eighty one,
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that's super recent. And in Neptune, which is discovered on
officially discovered on September twenty third, eighteen forty six, and
the discovery of Euratus, Eurytus and Neptune trigger a lot
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of what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's really think about that for a moment, because in
seventeen eighty one, you've got telescopes, You've got people who
are looking up in the sky and are really interested.
There's been a ton of writing and research on what's
occurring up above us, right all of us on this planet.
It's been there have been thousands of years of people
writing down making pictures of what's seen up there, often
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with the naked eye, and then with technology. And eighty one,
this guy, William Herschel sees what he describes as a
slowly moving comet way out in the distance, near the
consolation of Taurus, and he just starts talking about it
and asking other people, and then they start trying to
make calculations, mathematical calculations to figure out orbits of things,
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and they discover planets. And the same thing happened a
year after the magazine Scientific American was founded. How crazy
is that Scientific American That we used to get issues
of it in our office back in the day. You
guys remember that.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And I still have a subscription, Yeah, well, and many
of us do.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But it was thinking that that magazine began publishing before
a new planet in our solar system was discovered is
pretty mind boggling.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
History is always closer than it looks in that rear
view mirror. Also, Matt, what you said reminded me of
a of a deep cut pop song. I think it's
a pop song. Luscious Jackson? Is that the name Naked
Eyes Killer Les Jackson?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And they were the house band and the prom scene
and the Adventures.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Of Pete and Pete.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh, yes, it's true.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
We're still relevant, Yes, we are, speaking of the only
reason why they discovered Neptune is because Urinus's orbit, the
predicted orbit path was a little.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Off in gravitational eccentricities.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right, And as we're going to talk about in this episode,
the only reason we think we can find or we
think we've found evidence of other things way out in
the Kuiper Belt are because those predicted orbits are a
little off. So it's just weird to me to think
that there's still potentially a ton of stuff out there
we just haven't seen yet because for one reason or
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another we haven't put our telescope in the right place yet.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's absolutely true, and it's well put, Matt. The The
issue is exploration continues. And the reason I made this
low key foreshadowing joke about relevance and luscious Jackson is
because relevance is of certain concern to things like Pluto.
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At some point, some of us in the audience, some
of our fellow friends and neighbors, conspiracy theorists, we may
once again protest the demotion of Pluto. Pluto is currently
by the IAU considered a dwarf planet under that list
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of criteria because it does meet the first two requirements.
It orbits the Sun, it has hydrostatic equilibrium, but it
is not pulled a highlander around its orbit. Essentially, there
are other things around Pluto and they're not moons, and
we can't be too harsh about Pluto. It was only
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we said Neptune discovered eighteen forty six. Pluto as a
result of studying Neptune was discovered in nineteen thirty by
an astronomer named Clyde.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I feel like it's cool to just say his first day,
you know, astronomer in Clyde.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And so for seventy six human years, Pluto was considered
a legit planet. And that's still a cosmic achievement. We
don't want to walk away from that, you know, Pluto.
If you're hearing it, plutoniums, thank you for your service.
That's pretty dope, you guys.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, Pluto being a dwarf planet is nothing to scoff
at either. There's so many dwarf planets or like planetoids
out there near the Kuiper Belt that have been discovered
over the years. There's some very weird ones. There's one
called Erakoff that's out there. Looks like a little snowman
floating around. It's very strange. Looks like a little planetoid,
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teeny tiny planetoid on top of another little planetoid. And
you know, there are things like I think, gosh, correct
me if I'm wrong here, guys, Pluto is like half
the width of the United States or something like that.
It's pretty it's like small, it's very small.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's a trans Neptunian object. Yeah, and again it has
the hydrostatic equilibrium, right that's that's the big deal. But
the bigger deal of all of this is it proves
we as civilization, as Tara, have a lot more to
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learn about, not just the galaxy, not just the universe,
but the our own cosmic backyard, and thousands and thousands
of years humanity has been asking these questions. Also, I
would say, just like I know I have in the
notes the very anthro centric stuff, but I think other
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animals regard this question as well.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
How many planets are there?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah? I think they think about it. Okay, Now I
think you know, of course you're you're a simon. You're
a higher order mammal, right, a higher order Avian or whatever,
especially Avians. You don't think they look at the night
sky wonder why one you know, one thing is red
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and another all the other stuff is a different color.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I do wonder about that sometimes, man, I wonder what
the corvids are up to, you know, cognitively speaking?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, absolutely. The only thing they don't have are you know,
telescopes and the ability to see like anything past a
certain point. Because again it's we couldn't observe Urrenus and
Neptune as easily because they're not as bright right, and
you can't see them. You can see Mars and Jupiter
flying around out there. You even see Jupiter's moons pretty
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easily without well with the telescope.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Helps and I respect you for making the conscious choice
to say uranus, but I am going to continue say
uranus because it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
As is your prerogative, your rights as a silly goofy guy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What is the official pronunciation? I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh it says uranus, uranus.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
We got there.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I always thought it was uranus. Oh wow, Okay, I
was wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
No, no, potato, patato, I say, fellas, we all know
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, it's also the English language, which is just a
non consensual game of improv forever. So the mystery remains.
We've got all these questions. We know that there are
continual new discoveries that we're going to explore in a moment.
With all that in mind, and it's no wonder that
so many aspects of human and again I argue non
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human animal culture, from religion to modern conspiracy, all these
aspects have attempted to interpret existing information and make new
theories about the nature of the universe by far the
most popular conspiracy theories about your Solar system, folks. They
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hinge on the idea of hidden, ancient or lost planets.
There are secrets, proponents argue, that will change the nature
of existence as you know it. Further, secrets, very powerful
forces want hidden from the public. If you are a
long type listener, you've already heard the name Nibou.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You're going to hear it a bunch more times. After
a quick word from our sponse. Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
According to the lore and spoiler, astronomers hate this. Niburu
is a mysterious legit planet that orbits your son every
three thousand, six hundred years. My son, take sun, gotcha
your son? Yeah, your local son, and thank you for
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supporting small business.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's our son down share.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Let's make note here that the official story, or the
official tale, right is an orbit of three thousand, six
hundred years. That is a seam a concept that has
been played with a whole bunch, and that number has
grown and shrunk, and it just depends on I guess
which theoretical Nibiu we're talking about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Also, that's a great point. It's also sometimes planned at X.
It's also sometimes planet nine, planet ted. You know, it's
also some some guy in a cave or with a
cable TV show say the world ends in September. Oh
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wait in October, Oh wait November, Oh wait December, this
time August for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, let's also make you know that planet X is
a thing you've heard a lot. And it gets really
confusing here because planet X is a generalized term or
a name given to planetary bodies celestial bodies out there
that have yet to be to be fully discovered, right
put into the cannon.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Evaluated, but to see if they meet the criteria. You
could just call it planet X for a.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
While, and it could not even be a planet. But
it's known as planet X in writing, which is a
crazy thing. There was a oh gosh, I think we
I think we did a video on it way back
in the day, Ben, but I'm not sure. But in
twenty sixteen, there was a discovery of a potential planet
that's like ten times the size of Earth somewhere way
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out beyond Neptune, and it was messing with the orbits
of some of the Kuiper Belt objects, but nothing ever
came of it, but it was known for a while
there as planet X has been discovered.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, we were, by the way, we were superheated up
about this and talking to everybody in the office who
would give us two minutes. And it was the most
Jonathan Strickland we have ever been about. No, it's not, actually,
but we were talking a lot at people instead of
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with them for that because we were so excited.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yes, well, and we're going to get into some of
the more recent discoveries. But planet X is out there
as a thing, right. Planet Y is another term that's
been cropping up recently, especially this year. I think somebody,
this guy a mere Sarage named a planet planet why again,
a theoretical planet? But what is it? Where is it?
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How does it function? Again? Way the heck out there?
But it's it gets really confusing when you're trying to
use search terms or ask your whatever Internet AI thing
about these things, because it all kind of gets smushed
ooh into one thing. It's got Some of these search
terms end up getting their own gravitational equilibrium.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Nice, yeah, hypostatic equilibrium view, but they.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Don't they don't get rid of all the crap around them. Though.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Also, I want to give a moment to you there.
I love the idea that you're outlining because it sounds
very much like, yeah, guys, I did find another planet.
You've never met her. She goes to another school, you
know what I mean? Like, Oh, all right, so let's
give the full story, all right, the legend the story goes,
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Nibiru is real. It will one day, at the end
of its cycle, it will crash into Earth yet again,
da da da, or get close enough to really fs up, Dylan,
if you want to beat me for this, what I
wanted to say was fed up and destroy civilization as
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humans know it. Doomsday prophecy often tied to hot takes
on existing religion, and as we've noted in the past,
so far all of the end of the world apocalyptic
prophecies have been absurdly incorrect. It is almost as if
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then hear us out folks, people were making them up
all along. That's the story of Neberu, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Am I wrong in that thinking it was tied to Zechariah.
I thought he was the guy that like really made
this thing a thing.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Brews specifically, We'll get to that, all right, for sure. Yeah,
we got to remember how we noted the planet Neptune
was discovered as recently as eighteen forty six. And you
guys remember eighteen forty six, right, it was really weird
time you were there for sure, only at night, Matt,
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only night. So this is a thing we love. We
were thinking about this off air, and astronomers really are
like detectives for space. They're space detectives. Noel, can you
do like a quick theme song for space detectives?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Space detective.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
In space using maths?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Nago? Yes, I'm some healthy, healthy amount of maths involved.
And I hope Dylan reverbed the all living heck out
of my attempt there.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He's just the best. I'm sure he did. Yeah. Oh,
and it's weird because Dylan, you're in the room.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Listening, lurking and learning.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well he's he's video off currently, but we know he's
here in spirit.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I guess if we're thinking in cosmic terms and we're
talking about the Solar System, everyone is in the room
together right now. Anyway, we noted this idea of gravitational eccentricity.
It's eighteen forty six, you discovered Neptune, Bully good tally ho.
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You start noticing the orbit is not what you expected.
And so you start saying, what else is out there?
You're human, you're obsessed with space. You know there's a
lot of stuff in the neighborhood. And then you do
the thing that science does. You look back on previous research, right,
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previous speculation, previous exploration, and with that we gotta we
gotta explore the history of the Niburu conspiracy theories and
hit some science on the way, because it turns out
neburu is an incredibly old word, and as as all
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our fellow etymology nerds know, we got to spensive dime
just dig it in to where that word comes from.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
We sure do, and we're going to and we're gonna
say naburu again as promised, because it's a word that
comes from the ancient Akkadian language and translates roughly to
mean crossing or a point of transition, and it's typically
something that's used.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
To refer to rivers.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So in ancient Babylonia, this was basically Jupiter, which is
such a big, old chunky fella that you could see
it then as we can now without the need of
a lensed device like a telescope. So remember, for a
super long time, science and religion were inextricably combined, intertwined.
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So for the people of Sumer and Babylonia and ancient Greece,
as well as Rome and all its glory, what we
call planets were considered in real life kind of avatars
connected to the real life superheroes that are the gods.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They are named after the gods of course, Yes, it
makes sense, and they're out there watching, but they're not
stars because they move. That's weird. I wonder what they're
doing up there must be important, let's write it down. No,
I mean, it makes total sense. We talked about this
concept many many a time. Right when you're an intelligent thing,
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you look up and you see weird stuff and you
start jotting down what you're and you notice stuff's moving,
You're like, oh, what the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Ret Row says humanity. The issue here is that we've
talked about it as as you're saying in the past.
The issue here is that when science and religion are combined,
they can achieve great things, and they can also limit
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each other. Right, So the separate pursuits have created opportunities
for more discourse, for more exploration. But as Lil said
back in the day. You're in the Mediterranean, you're in
the Middle Eastern Delta. You're trying to explain weird stuff
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you see in the sky and you say, oh, obviously
that must be kind of God, right or God. So Marduke,
he's a big deal for us. This is great. Also,
this reminds us to check out our Anunaki episode. That's
another one that we took forever to do and I
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thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh, it was great. Well, that's where we really get
into Zichaisichen. His book The Twelfth Planet, came out a
long time ago, ends up being one of the primary
things that solidifies Nibiru as a as a primary concept
as the home planet of the Anunaki. And that's why
it actually means trouble for us, because not only is
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a planet on the way that spells trouble, but there's
a whole ancient intelligent civilization that birth humanity is going
to return. It's very much it's very much like the
return of a godhead, like a Jesus or something like that,
except it's Aliens and they're the ones that created us.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Did you know the Vatican has an observatory.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yes, and the Vatican has said some weird stuff about
planetary bodies in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Oh what, no way, yeah, no way. The Vatican has
said something weird about anything ever, that's nuts. Well, are
they pass their butter thing? No? Are they pass their
butter thing?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I don't know if you ever really get past the
butter thing?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Well, one thing that humanity didn't get passed for a
while is the popularity of this book, The Twelfth Planet.
It's millions and millions of copies. So that book has
been extremely popular and in the zeitgey since nineteen seventy six.
So you can see why a book like that comes
out that is supposedly based in science and in ancient
(33:45):
history and translations right of these ancient Sumerian texts and things.
And then you can see how a lot of people
may think, oh, there's something to this pre.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Public pre public access to the internet.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well yeah, so well, but then, but then there's so
many holes to be punched, as we talked about in
that other episode, Ben, to be punched into some of
the translations, some of the ways in which that information
comes to us via Sitchen.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, he's a von dannik In character. He's passed away,
and we asked Accounting for a Wija board so we
could do an interview segment. We'll update you if we
hear back from stitching.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Surely we can.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Swing a Weezi board.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Guys, I mean, you know how much could a Wigi
word cost? How much could one Wigi board cost?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm telling you no, it's the inflation at this point.
You know your your old school wija board used to
cost you three wooden nickels, an apple and your first child,
and now it's like fifteen bucks.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Can we get a stranger things branded Wiji board or
perhaps the conjuring that seems like it would make a
little more sense. There we go.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
So we're in a pause to follow up with Accounting,
and we'll be right back with more about Nabiu. We've returned.
So we mentioned the idea of Nebru as a concept,
(35:20):
and we also mentioned Zechariah stitching. If you're looking it up,
the first name is spelled ze c h A r
i A. It's a little bit different from what you
might anticipate, right if you're from the West, because that
guy is born in nazerbaisad no shade. Sorry, I just
(35:43):
pointed out these from Azerbaishad as though that matters to
what he thinks. But so he is like an he's
like a Von Danakin, He's like the guy who wrote
Chariots of the Gods later and the ideas that he
sort of originates this ancient astronaut theory.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It really.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Gets some high auctane gas in the mid nineteen nineties,
nineteen ninety five ish with someone called Nancy Lighter led R.
If we were to describe Lighter fairly, we would say
this is a self articulating experiencer abductee.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's right, Yeah, someone who's had alliances with the extraterrestrial,
of an extraterrestrial nature, specifically, as she claims, from the
Zeta Reticuli star system. Which is is that data that
we're aware of or is this something that is, you know,
experientially described by leader herself.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I love that you're saying that, because this sounds legit,
but it also sounds a little star treking. So it's like,
it's a cool name. I feel you. It's almost too
cool to be true. It's thirty nine light years from Earth, okay,
And the thing is, if life exists in the binary
star system Zeta Reticuli we have no idea what they
(37:18):
call it. We call it Zeta Reticuli. And humanity is
vary into naming stars.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Absolutely. You can even get your own name on a
star if you want to.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Guys, how much could a star possibly cost?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Wish upon it?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Well, I believe you can find that out. I don't
know right off hand, but if I'm not mistaken, Ben
and a listener, a kind listener, gifted us with a
star somewhere out there in the blackness of space.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So we're out there in the ink. Yes, thank you
as always for thinking of us, says Planet Earth, and says, is.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It name to STDWYTK do we know you know what?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
We'll find it an update because we got a nice
plaque and we saved it and we are still looking
for our next studio set and we're gonna frame that
thing and put it front and center.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I genuinely didn't know this. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And that's what Nancy Lighter is hoping people were saying.
She says, Nibiu is real. It is going to hit
Near Earth or hit Earth Prime, or it's gonna come
close enough to barrel through the inner part of the
Solar System. And here's when she said it would happen
(38:39):
May of two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh, she was just trying to she didn't understand the message.
She was trying to warn about the invasion of Iraq, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, Zeta Reticuli was really concerned with Desert Fox and
Desert Storm for sure. That's like their main priority. Thirty
died the light years from mirth.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Did I think that was shocking?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Awe, Actually that was shocking. All there we go. We
solved it. We solved it together. She also, by the way,
had had or has a messionic complex. I am the
chosen one, you know, I'm not a humble messenger. I'm
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the only one who could tell you.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, that's tough. Can you guys imagine if you really
thought that's what it happened to you, or what if
it really did happen to you, How the heck do
you get that message out without just being ridiculed into oblivion.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You have to be ready for the ridicule, especially in
the predisclosure days.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Not that disclosure of experience has been like super overwhelming,
but you know, it does seem like people are a
little more willing to come out and describe some of
these things. But yeah, back in those days it would
you'd have to be open to the ridicule.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But none of that stuff in the age of disclosure
is talking about the experience. That's right. The person who
actually becomes abducted or is sent a message, right, and
you only you can hear the message or that that
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That shows in one sort of egoism.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's a tougher cell.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Agreed, Yeah, it's it is a tougher cell, especially because
now we're in the mid nineteen nineties, so the Internet
is extant for the public, which means this person, this
experiencer or self described abductee contact ee, is able to
(40:36):
propagate their views. Right. And the May two thousand and
three prediction is that Earth is going to get hit
by an a biro for real this time, you know,
for real this time, and this will trigger that long
predicted magnetic pull shift most human beings and most higher
(41:03):
order mammals, probably most of the smart avians as well.
The thing is, here's why I think this hit. We
know that the magnetic poles of this planet Earth where
we're currently recording, they shift, they do, they switch up
every so often. The compass will will get weird with
(41:26):
you over a long span of time, so technically that's
not an incorrect prediction. However, this person tied it to
the year two thousand and three, which means not only
was she wrong, but she was wrong before it happened.
(41:46):
So multiple internet forums in this nascent emergent information environment,
they picked up this new folklore and they ran with it.
They ran with it, and then twenty twelve, end of
the year, right or end of the world, I can't
remember which what it was. People go with that as well.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well, let's talk about that, because I specifically remember being
a bit caught up in the December twenty first, twenty
twelve thing, because it was a calendar year that had
been prophesized and all that other stuff, and a lot
of people were writing not just a lot of people
were writing about it. Everybody was talking about Naberu. Everybody
(42:26):
was talking about the end of the mind calendar. Everybody
was pretty obsessed with that. If you go to Live
Science back in July of twenty eleven now and How
Stuff Works Live Science twenty eleven, Natalie Wolchover is writing
about how obsessed people are believers in mysterious planet Nabiu
await Earth's end, and genuinely there was this concept that
(42:52):
something catastrophic was going to happen, whether it is a
planet arriving or some other thing within Earth is going
to begin causing earthquakes and volcanic activity and all that
kind of stuff. When something like that gets in the
zeitgeist and people are thinking about it and writing about
it and showing up in the news, kind of like
the three I Atlas thing, and it becomes there's just
(43:15):
a deluge of information about it, and who knows how
much of it is speculation in the moment, right, Sometimes
an outlet will tell you it's speculation, but often it won't.
It'll be it won't be like Live Science or how
stuff works, right, It'll be like lad Bible or one
of these other outlets that just makes it seem as
though it's really happening.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, And we have to remember many, many human beings,
especially in the age of modern media, are convinced that
civilization will end in their lifetime because there's an inherent
narcissism to paranoia, right, And you want to understand the
(43:57):
world around you, you know, we want to have the
best evidence of our environment, and we want to follow
up on any questions. We want to We want to
be experiencers, you know, we want to be more than
anything contacted. So if you are an extra terrestrial and
(44:20):
you're listening right now right to us, we'd love to
hear from you. Conspiracy Atiheartradio dot com. The issue is,
and I think the reason we keep returning to this
is that there is stark, inarguable evidence that some crazy
kaiser so say stuff did smack the snot out of
Earth at multiple times, and there is still a hard,
(44:45):
non zero chance of something hitting planet Earth right now
as you're listening to the show, we've got to introduce
the actual evidence on stage. You know what, you love it?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It's thea Yeah, Matt, I think this is one that
you were super excited about, but.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It is because I didn't know any of this crap.
I was never taught this in a school. Nobody told me, Hey,
there was a planet that used to be in the
Inner Solar System, pretty close to the Sun, and it's
a little bit smaller than Earth but kind of similar,
and it's smashed into Earth and oh, that thing is
probably the reason why we have a moon, and that
thing is probably why Earth created life or was able
(45:26):
to create life, and not just some lifeless rock of
molten lavenge.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's like a sid Barrett or a fifth beetle. It's
about four and a half billion years ago. That's when
Earth birthed the Moon. As far as we can tell,
this was proto planet.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
If I'm not mis sake, yeah it was a proto Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah. Thea is still a hypothesis, right, but it's a
pretty plausible one ancient Early System planet around the size
of modern Mars. So for all of us who have
been to Mars, think of it as a little bit bigger,
a little bit smaller not and it just hit Earth,
(46:11):
or hit our little startup Earth at this point. It
hit it with the force of the same thing that
killed the dinosaurs, but that was an asteroid. This one
was much bigger. These were planets colliding. The reason we
call them proto planets is because they had not highlander
style cleared out their orbit, right. These things were on
(46:35):
the same path around the Sun, and it hit Earth
or what we call Earth, so hard that a whole
bunch of debris entered orbit, and it later sort of
woo tanged together and formed the thing that we call
the Moon. This happened very slowly. It happened due to
(46:57):
gravity or possibly alien the do you guys like the
or possibly We always it's always on the.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Table because as you said, as you said, all of
this is theoretical, right, so we believe that this is
what happened, and it might simp believe. We've known that
something collided with Earth in order to form the moon,
unless the moon just got parked there, right, that's the
creator hypothesis, that something drove the moon, put it there,
(47:26):
or created the moon out of a bunch of stuff
and made it as so, so it's.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Lord Soul is simulation and you get like you get
an option when you start the game and you say
how many moons?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yes, yes, But the closest thing that science has to
understanding why in the hell moon? Why moon? How moon?
It is this, right, an impact event of two planets
is a protoplanet and a planet that's forming. And it
just blows my mind because it feels like the kind
of thing that I would have I should have memories
(47:59):
of learning as a kid, because it would help me
understand where we are right now and how we got
to this place. And isn't that kind of what all
of this is in pursuit of figuring out how we
got here, what's happened before, and what might come next.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
What might come next is the most mission critical part.
One cool story about the concept of FA is that
this collision may have also been what brought h twoo
to the planet in large amounts.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And I like that.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I like that story.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, that's cool. It's a life giver, right, We're just
learning about comets and asteroids that even the ones that
are Transmutonian way out there in the Kuiper Belt, a
lot of these things have sugars on them along.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
With water, right a, medio acids as well.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Things that all of the requirements for life are on
these things floating around in space. And if I don't know,
just sorry, guys. I'm a little overwhelmed by all of
this because it is such a deeper understanding of the
of our Solar system in a way that Panspermia now
no longer seems like a crazy idea.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
What it never was, Well, well, just a dumb it's
a hilarious name, but it's a really good concept.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
It is, but it was it was ridiculed for a time.
In the same way the concept of Nibiru was ridiculed.
Oh so you're saying comets and stuff just like hit
the earth and they had all this stuff. Okay, oh
Lucas comic guy.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Good, hey, comic guy, Where's where's your where's your wada?
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Well, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I don't know why that from Boston.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I love where's your wada? Comic guy, It's the same thing.
Abvi Lobe is railing against right now. He's yelling at
NASA and the scientific community and the boffins, if you
will for having this air of we have the knowledge,
we know what is happening, so we will talk down
at anything and anyone who comes to us with a
(49:59):
more out their concept, would you say?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
It harkens back to our earlier conversation at the top
of this episode about religion and science. At a certain point,
academics can act a little bit dismissive, a little bit zealous,
a little bit like priest.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Because they control the information. They're the only ones who
can read.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
The Bible that's going to come back to haunt me.
Oh my god, I want to vulgate version of all
scientific knowledge.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
To test the season for hauntings. Though you know the
ghosts of Christmas past and all that.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yes, well, just to add on to here, when we're
talking about all this stuff, Yeah, the avvy lobe of
it all, think back to what we learned about Apophus
a long time ago. I recall videos watching Neilo grass
Tyson talking about this near Earth asteroid of Office and
how in twenty twenty nine it could potentially impact Earth.
(50:59):
There's like a you know, astronomers do their absolute best
to understand the full timing and orbit of near Earth objects,
asteroids and things like that, right, but there's a little
stuff they can throw it off.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And we're working with the information we have, which is
never all of the information correct.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
So when you've got a near Earth asteroid that has
potential to impact Earth because there are going to be
those those slight deviations in its orbit, you can say
something the way Neilder grass Tyson did. It's possible that
this thing, you know, that's around eleven hundred feet wide
could impact Earth and it would be like the kind
that wreaked havoc on Earth previous times.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, you're in a you're in a three dimensional pen
ball machine, and you not only don't have a flipper,
but you can't see where the balls are coming from.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yes, And we've been in that situation since we've been here,
right with the ability to look up at things and
take notes, and we're going to continue to be in
that place, and we're going to continue to discover new
things that are far out there. So you can, like
our alma mater, how stuff works. In their article that
they wrote way back in the day of the Truth
behind the Road planet Nebiu, which was updated in twenty
(52:17):
twenty three, you can find out Mark Mancini wrote that,
but in the end, this is the last line spoiler alert.
The jury is in Neburu's just a hoax, and you
can go that route and believe that, and that's that's
fine in the case of Nebiu. It's just we have
to caution ourselves against taking that same thought process with
any other potential planet that's potentially observed. Right that early stage,
(52:42):
before Neptune was officially in the lexicon of planets, when
it was just a blip out there in some strange
orbits that seem to be off by a little bit.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
I mean, you know, long story short, right, new things
are being discovered all the time, and like science is advancing,
and observational technology is advancing, and you know, hopefully the
space program will continue to advance.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
We'll see. But I mean, yeah, it's like you.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Don't want to close yourself off to this concept of
future discoveries. I mean, it's that slippery slope of being
so egocentric as a society and as a species that
we think we know all the things that there are
to know. It's I think it's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Right, there's so much more to do. Oh the places
you will go. Right, it says the universe hopefully had
to be clear mark in our Alma mater house. Stuff works.
When at that last line where he's saying bus just
a hoax, I took it to mean they saying the
BIU doomsday prophecies are a hoax because at this time
(53:44):
there was I don't know, there was a lot of
research into possibilities of things like we were still using
the term Roague planet at that point. But you know, look,
we can say this, most if not all, of these
new Biru cataclysm theories are incorrect, and most, if not
(54:08):
all end of the world predictions are the same. They
are incorrect. The world is ending for someone every single day, right,
but civilization overall not collapsing. If it does, when humans
are gone, life on Earth is going to continue and
(54:31):
there's going to be a lot more stuff out there
in the ink. Now. We hope this podcast continues for
three thousand, six hundred years, and if it does turn
out that we are incorrect and we do get smacked
while we wait if we do this, guys, help me
with the math here. If we do this podcast for
(54:53):
three thousand, six hundred years, are we still going to
be on Earth.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
When we do it out? On that one, Ben, we
won't be here.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
It's also true. Okay, all right, the jury, the jury
has spoken. What do you think? Let's go to Tennessee, Dylon.
You got any thoughts on this one? When you were
in Nabiu, What you guys talked about when you talked
about Earth.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
You know, we were trying to figure out if Earth
was real, so we had the same you know, conversations
that we're having here.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
But about Earth.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
Do you guys have rudabagas over there?
Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah, it's a whole alternate Rudebiga's universe over there, currency, cars,
anything you can think of.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Great, that's our show. Thank you so much for tuning
in folks. We hope the end of the year is
finding you well. We hope this is not the year
that Nibiru hits the earth. We also can't wait to
hear from Oh Gosh, Matt Knowles, shall be open the door,
(56:00):
ask for a strawby.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
We have an open door policy, as far as I'm concerned,
we have an open door, open earth policy.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yeah, you can call us on a phone. You can
always send us an email, and you can find us
on the lines.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
Boy, can you ever find us all over the lines
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on xfka, Twitter, and on YouTube where we got videos
of some kind. You can also find us on Instagram
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I'm not mistaken, I think there's more.
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Call the number. You'll get our voicemail system. Leave a
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(56:56):
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Speaker 3 (56:58):
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Be well aware, yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back.
Actually pretty often, we've got some homework. Here's a random
thing from one of our favorite books. Depraved and insulting
English guys. I'm gonna flip through. Just say when.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
When all right?
Speaker 3 (57:24):
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Speaker 2 (00:26):
Welcome back to the show. My name is Max, my
name is Noel.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
They call me Ben. We're joined as always with our
super producer Dylan the Tennessee pal Fagot. Most importantly, you
are you. You are here, by which we mean probably
on Earth. Most that makes this the stuff they don't
want you to know. Welcome back everyone. We're recording on Monday,
(00:52):
December eighth, and we are pleased as punch lines that
you are here. We're diving into something we speculated about
for a long time.
Speaker 2 (01:05):
Humanity has speculated about it for a long time since
that Zechariah Sitchen Fellow has come along.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
For sure, this is yeah. The story of this particular
topic goes back millions and billions of years before the
rise of that humanity that you know had so much
to say about it. On the Solar system is home
to you know, just countless hidden mysteries, history mysteries, and
this one is an absolute doozy and one that you're
(01:34):
probably not going to find in your astronomy textbooks or
whatever they teach in school.
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Now, yeah, and you can tell folks that most of
us have not been in a classroom in a while.
We remember the experience though, We remember seeing those textbooks.
This is something we have been obsessed with since before
(02:00):
the very first video of stuff. They don't want you
to know. It's a subject of intense scrutiny, controversy, allegations,
and debate. So here, finally, at the end of twenty
twenty five, we're doing it. This is our episode on NABIU.
(02:20):
This is also our cold open. We'll explain the word later.
Here are the facts. Dylan, let me do like a
nineteen eighty stand up thing. Bump the mic b ba
b boph Is it like slapping base? Like y sinefold
(02:41):
kind vibes?
Speaker 5 (02:42):
Now?
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Wait, wait, Dylan, can we get like a crowd sound?
Like a quiet, hushed crowd sound. And then Ben is
up on stage. All right, Ben, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (02:52):
Oh my gosh, uh Matt, I'm gonna take that as
a compliment.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, you know that said. It's a quiet out. You're
on stage.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
All right, like Noel said, the base they're stilling. Okay,
there we go, what's the deal with the solar system?
Speaker 2 (03:17):
It takes first record cut.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
That's the special thank you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
Things were like Darth Vader never actually said Luke, I
am your father with some version of that. Do you
think Seinfeld ever actually said what's the deal with something?
Speaker 3 (03:32):
Is it on record?
Speaker 4 (03:33):
Or is this just like a Seinfeld approximation like something.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Jerry Jerry probably did it after the fact, like after
it became self referential.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
Probably true.
Speaker 3 (03:45):
Yeah, But the but the idea of the solar system
should be familiar to all of us, right. It's the
local neighborhood for all known life. And the neighborhood is
pretty big in the immediate perspective, but it's pretty small
(04:05):
in the larger perspective. It's beautiful in its way. But
you know what, guys, if we think about it, the
solar system is an abandoned street in a rough part
of the galaxy. Our solar system has only one occupied house.
Speaker 4 (04:26):
Well, yeah, and the classic heliocentric model the solar system,
it's really just a solar system, right, I mean there
are others you know. It's our orbiting around a glowing
heat producing energy dense star body.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
Whatever you guys feel bad about yourselves in the future,
I'm gonna be like, hey man, you're my solar system.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yes, well, let's talk about how big it is, because
it's one of those weird things we've talked about a
few times. Yeah, and we met measure again in an
earth centric way aus AUS, which is the distance from
us to our star, right, which is around ninety one
point five point six million miles.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
Very self centered. Earth has obviously gone to therapy.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
Yeah, sure, getting into the nitty gritty of it of
what's going on with us here on Earth and Earth
in general. So we measure the size of the solar
system in that distance, and it's somewhere between one hundred
thousand and two hundred thousand aus, so one hundred thousand
or two hundred thousand times ninety one point five million.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
Yeah, big place. Right. Most people are too small in
height to be measured in AUS. We have not done
the math, but most people, even if you stand up straight,
are not going to be as tall as the single
unit of AU that you just described, Matt and Gosh.
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Since before the dawn of recorded history, the Homo sapien
has been captivated with this idea of itself, its location
on this planet called Earth, with the nearby observable planets,
with the universe beyond, out there in the ink, and
there are tons and tons of things out there. We
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call them in general celestial bodies, but only a few
are called planets. So the current scientific consensus tells us
this solar system, this little neighborhood, has eight planets. I
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know a lot of people are gonna get pissed when
they hear that. For sure, Even in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Five, there are eight official planets, but there's still some
on the little list there, like on the bench. They're like, oh,
come on, I put me in for a couple of plays,
just a couple.
Speaker 3 (07:06):
And this comes to us via the work of the
International Astronomical Union. In two thousand and six, they made
a game time decision. They have three criteria defining planet
actual right.
Speaker 4 (07:25):
So first, they have to orbit a star like we
were talking about earlier in the heliocentric model of the universe.
In our case, that is the Sun, which is the
center of the Solar system, which makes sense. There are
other objects in space that do the same thing. There
are other Solar systems. Second, they have to possess sufficient
mass for what we call hydrostatic equilibrium, which is just
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a wow, it's even hard to say equilibrium, which is
just a fancy way of describing a state of balanced gravity.
Gravity which wants to pull things together and pressure wants
to blow things apart. So stars actually have this force
as well, and it's the reason that our Sun looks
like a ball. But hydrostatic equilibrium alone does not make
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a planet round. You need something else, which is our
last bit of criteria.
Speaker 3 (08:12):
Yeah, these are our first two. So a thing that
orbits a star, a thing that has hydrostatic equilibrium. And
the last criteria is you gotta play highland or rules.
A planet has to have cleared its neighboring region of
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other objects. So the concept here is that there is
a there is a reason that Mars and Earth are
not orbiting on the same right.
Speaker 2 (08:45):
Yeah, that's the way when you've seen those old pictures,
or maybe that's how you even see it in your mind.
When you picture the Solar system, you see kind of
a plane of planets, right that are all along a
roughly similar plane to the Sun, And that is part
of how our Solar system works. The other thing is, guys,
(09:07):
that whole hydrostatic equilibrium thing. That's why I was always puzzled.
While you could have a planet like ours and Mars,
and you could also have a planet like Jupiter and Saturn.
That's what's known as a gas giant. So it's mostly
just gases that have reached that hydrostatic equilibrium thing that
makes them appear as a ball, right and holds things
in to a certain extent, but then forces other things out.
(09:30):
It's just it's really strange to me still that those
two types of celestial bodies are considered the same thing.
Speaker 3 (09:38):
And you nailed it there, Matt, the concept celestial bodies.
Please do check out our recent episode or our recent
other conversations about things that came and went in this
bandowed neighborhood of the galaxy.
Speaker 4 (09:56):
And if I could just issue a slight correction on
something I misstated earlier. Hydrostatic equilibrium is the force that
makes the planet round, but it is not the only
force that makes one of these bodies a planet.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
Yeah, of course, like as we're seeing, the International Astronomical
Union back in two thousand and six came up with
this definition, these three these three criteria, and per that criteria,
this solar system in which you are probably listening to
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this podcast has eight actual planets, So in order of
closest to furthest from the Sun, they are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn,
Uranus or Urinus if you're not fun and Neptune. And
here we get a throw to Tennessee what's the best
(10:53):
mnemonic for that.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
The most ellen to date, one that that really jives
with these are modern times.
Speaker 5 (10:58):
Yeah, very eager mother just served us. And then the
inn I say, Nabisco or nest quick it used to
be nine pies when you know Pluto was in the game.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
Or pizzas is Matt pointed out, I believe off Mike.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Yeah, yeah, don't your nomadic Matt.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
Oh, I don't know. I don't know what it was,
the nine pizzas thing. Our very enigmatic mother just served
us nine pizzas or something like enigmatic.
Speaker 3 (11:26):
What's in the pizzas? Then? What's going on?
Speaker 2 (11:28):
Oh? I don't know. But guys, I was thinking about this,
this concept of planets clearing their general vicinity. You upon
hearing that, you may, as I do, feel kind of
weird about it because you don't all these planets have
had and then you realize, oh, okay, But the difference
is those celestial bodies actually orbit the planet rather than
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orbit the Sun. Well, it's all orbiting the Sun, but
they were caught in that planet's orbit, right, That's what
makes it different from just other stuff that's rolling around.
But when you think about what about all these dang
asteroids around Earth the belt we have a cleared well,
not even the Kiper Belt, just our our general area.
We've got a whole swarm of stuff that exists around
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us and all the other planets. It is interesting just
to imagine how much stuff is actually moving around in
our Solar system, despite all of these planets being so
far away from each other.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
There's a lot of stuff out in the ink. And
aside from the three commonalities that the IAU has defined,
each planet per this definition is unique in its makeup,
its location, its passage around the star, and of course
it's unique in its estimated potential for life. Most of
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these things that humanity calls planets were discovered way way
back in the ancient Deeve Deans. However, humanity didn't clock
of you of them until much more recently. Urinus or
Uranus if you're cool on March thirteenth, seventeen eighty one,
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that's super recent. And in Neptune, which is discovered on
officially discovered on September twenty third, eighteen forty six, and
the discovery of Euratus, Eurytus and Neptune trigger a lot
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of what we're talking about tonight.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
Let's really think about that for a moment, because in
seventeen eighty one, you've got telescopes, You've got people who
are looking up in the sky and are really interested.
There's been a ton of writing and research on what's
occurring up above us, right all of us on this planet.
It's been there have been thousands of years of people
writing down making pictures of what's seen up there, often
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with the naked eye, and then with technology. And eighty one,
this guy, William Herschel sees what he describes as a
slowly moving comet way out in the distance, near the
consolation of Taurus, and he just starts talking about it
and asking other people, and then they start trying to
make calculations, mathematical calculations to figure out orbits of things,
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and they discover planets. And the same thing happened a
year after the magazine Scientific American was founded. How crazy
is that Scientific American That we used to get issues
of it in our office back in the day. You
guys remember that.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
And I still have a subscription, Yeah, well, and many
of us do.
Speaker 2 (14:35):
But it was thinking that that magazine began publishing before
a new planet in our solar system was discovered is
pretty mind boggling.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
History is always closer than it looks in that rear
view mirror. Also, Matt, what you said reminded me of
a of a deep cut pop song. I think it's
a pop song. Luscious Jackson? Is that the name Naked
Eyes Killer Les Jackson?
Speaker 4 (15:07):
And they were the house band and the prom scene
and the Adventures.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
Of Pete and Pete.
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Oh, yes, it's true.
Speaker 6 (15:15):
We're still relevant, Yes, we are, speaking of the only
reason why they discovered Neptune is because Urinus's orbit, the
predicted orbit path was a little.
Speaker 3 (15:26):
Off in gravitational eccentricities.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
Right, And as we're going to talk about in this episode,
the only reason we think we can find or we
think we've found evidence of other things way out in
the Kuiper Belt are because those predicted orbits are a
little off. So it's just weird to me to think
that there's still potentially a ton of stuff out there
we just haven't seen yet because for one reason or
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another we haven't put our telescope in the right place yet.
Speaker 3 (15:54):
It's absolutely true, and it's well put, Matt. The The
issue is exploration continues. And the reason I made this
low key foreshadowing joke about relevance and luscious Jackson is
because relevance is of certain concern to things like Pluto.
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At some point, some of us in the audience, some
of our fellow friends and neighbors, conspiracy theorists, we may
once again protest the demotion of Pluto. Pluto is currently
by the IAU considered a dwarf planet under that list
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of criteria because it does meet the first two requirements.
It orbits the Sun, it has hydrostatic equilibrium, but it
is not pulled a highlander around its orbit. Essentially, there
are other things around Pluto and they're not moons, and
we can't be too harsh about Pluto. It was only
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we said Neptune discovered eighteen forty six. Pluto as a
result of studying Neptune was discovered in nineteen thirty by
an astronomer named Clyde.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I feel like it's cool to just say his first day,
you know, astronomer in Clyde.
Speaker 3 (17:21):
And so for seventy six human years, Pluto was considered
a legit planet. And that's still a cosmic achievement. We
don't want to walk away from that, you know, Pluto.
If you're hearing it, plutoniums, thank you for your service.
That's pretty dope, you guys.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Well, Pluto being a dwarf planet is nothing to scoff
at either. There's so many dwarf planets or like planetoids
out there near the Kuiper Belt that have been discovered
over the years. There's some very weird ones. There's one
called Erakoff that's out there. Looks like a little snowman
floating around. It's very strange. Looks like a little planetoid,
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teeny tiny planetoid on top of another little planetoid. And
you know, there are things like I think, gosh, correct
me if I'm wrong here, guys, Pluto is like half
the width of the United States or something like that.
It's pretty it's like small, it's very small.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
It's a trans Neptunian object. Yeah, and again it has
the hydrostatic equilibrium, right that's that's the big deal. But
the bigger deal of all of this is it proves
we as civilization, as Tara, have a lot more to
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learn about, not just the galaxy, not just the universe,
but the our own cosmic backyard, and thousands and thousands
of years humanity has been asking these questions. Also, I
would say, just like I know I have in the
notes the very anthro centric stuff, but I think other
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animals regard this question as well.
Speaker 2 (19:08):
How many planets are there?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Yeah? I think they think about it. Okay, Now I
think you know, of course you're you're a simon. You're
a higher order mammal, right, a higher order Avian or whatever,
especially Avians. You don't think they look at the night
sky wonder why one you know, one thing is red
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and another all the other stuff is a different color.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
I do wonder about that sometimes, man, I wonder what
the corvids are up to, you know, cognitively speaking?
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, absolutely. The only thing they don't have are you know,
telescopes and the ability to see like anything past a
certain point. Because again it's we couldn't observe Urrenus and
Neptune as easily because they're not as bright right, and
you can't see them. You can see Mars and Jupiter
flying around out there. You even see Jupiter's moons pretty
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easily without well with the telescope.
Speaker 3 (20:07):
Helps and I respect you for making the conscious choice
to say uranus, but I am going to continue say
uranus because it's hilarious.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
As is your prerogative, your rights as a silly goofy guy.
Speaker 2 (20:22):
What is the official pronunciation? I genuinely don't know.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Yes, thank you.
Speaker 2 (20:29):
Oh it says uranus, uranus.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
We got there.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
I always thought it was uranus. Oh wow, Okay, I
was wrong.
Speaker 4 (20:38):
No, no, potato, patato, I say, fellas, we all know
what we're talking about.
Speaker 3 (20:42):
Yeah, it's also the English language, which is just a
non consensual game of improv forever. So the mystery remains.
We've got all these questions. We know that there are
continual new discoveries that we're going to explore in a moment.
With all that in mind, and it's no wonder that
so many aspects of human and again I argue non
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human animal culture, from religion to modern conspiracy, all these
aspects have attempted to interpret existing information and make new
theories about the nature of the universe by far the
most popular conspiracy theories about your Solar system, folks. They
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hinge on the idea of hidden, ancient or lost planets.
There are secrets, proponents argue, that will change the nature
of existence as you know it. Further, secrets, very powerful
forces want hidden from the public. If you are a
long type listener, you've already heard the name Nibou.
Speaker 4 (21:51):
You're going to hear it a bunch more times. After
a quick word from our sponse. Here's where it gets crazy.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
According to the lore and spoiler, astronomers hate this. Niburu
is a mysterious legit planet that orbits your son every
three thousand, six hundred years. My son, take sun, gotcha
your son? Yeah, your local son, and thank you for
(22:26):
supporting small business.
Speaker 4 (22:27):
It's our son down share.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
Let's make note here that the official story, or the
official tale, right is an orbit of three thousand, six
hundred years. That is a seam a concept that has
been played with a whole bunch, and that number has
grown and shrunk, and it just depends on I guess
which theoretical Nibiu we're talking about, right, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Also, that's a great point. It's also sometimes planned at X.
It's also sometimes planet nine, planet ted. You know, it's
also some some guy in a cave or with a
cable TV show say the world ends in September. Oh
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wait in October, Oh wait November, Oh wait December, this
time August for sure.
Speaker 1 (23:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
Well, let's also make you know that planet X is
a thing you've heard a lot. And it gets really
confusing here because planet X is a generalized term or
a name given to planetary bodies celestial bodies out there
that have yet to be to be fully discovered, right
put into the cannon.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Evaluated, but to see if they meet the criteria. You
could just call it planet X for a.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
While, and it could not even be a planet. But
it's known as planet X in writing, which is a
crazy thing. There was a oh gosh, I think we
I think we did a video on it way back
in the day, Ben, but I'm not sure. But in
twenty sixteen, there was a discovery of a potential planet
that's like ten times the size of Earth somewhere way
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out beyond Neptune, and it was messing with the orbits
of some of the Kuiper Belt objects, but nothing ever
came of it, but it was known for a while
there as planet X has been discovered.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Yeah, we were, by the way, we were superheated up
about this and talking to everybody in the office who
would give us two minutes. And it was the most
Jonathan Strickland we have ever been about. No, it's not, actually,
but we were talking a lot at people instead of
(24:47):
with them for that because we were so excited.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yes, well, and we're going to get into some of
the more recent discoveries. But planet X is out there
as a thing, right. Planet Y is another term that's
been cropping up recently, especially this year. I think somebody,
this guy a mere Sarage named a planet planet why again,
a theoretical planet? But what is it? Where is it?
(25:11):
How does it function? Again? Way the heck out there?
But it's it gets really confusing when you're trying to
use search terms or ask your whatever Internet AI thing
about these things, because it all kind of gets smushed
ooh into one thing. It's got Some of these search
terms end up getting their own gravitational equilibrium.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Nice, yeah, hypostatic equilibrium view, but they.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Don't they don't get rid of all the crap around them. Though.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
Also, I want to give a moment to you there.
I love the idea that you're outlining because it sounds
very much like, yeah, guys, I did find another planet.
You've never met her. She goes to another school, you
know what I mean? Like, Oh, all right, so let's
give the full story, all right, the legend the story goes,
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Nibiru is real. It will one day, at the end
of its cycle, it will crash into Earth yet again,
da da da, or get close enough to really fs up, Dylan,
if you want to beat me for this, what I
wanted to say was fed up and destroy civilization as
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humans know it. Doomsday prophecy often tied to hot takes
on existing religion, and as we've noted in the past,
so far all of the end of the world apocalyptic
prophecies have been absurdly incorrect. It is almost as if
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then hear us out folks, people were making them up
all along. That's the story of Neberu, right, Yeah?
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Am I wrong in that thinking it was tied to Zechariah.
I thought he was the guy that like really made
this thing a thing.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
Brews specifically, We'll get to that, all right, for sure. Yeah,
we got to remember how we noted the planet Neptune
was discovered as recently as eighteen forty six. And you
guys remember eighteen forty six, right, it was really weird
time you were there for sure, only at night, Matt,
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only night. So this is a thing we love. We
were thinking about this off air, and astronomers really are
like detectives for space. They're space detectives. Noel, can you
do like a quick theme song for space detectives?
Speaker 4 (27:52):
Space detective.
Speaker 2 (27:55):
In space using maths?
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Nago? Yes, I'm some healthy, healthy amount of maths involved.
And I hope Dylan reverbed the all living heck out
of my attempt there.
Speaker 3 (28:07):
He's just the best. I'm sure he did. Yeah. Oh,
and it's weird because Dylan, you're in the room.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Listening, lurking and learning.
Speaker 4 (28:16):
Well he's he's video off currently, but we know he's
here in spirit.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
I guess if we're thinking in cosmic terms and we're
talking about the Solar System, everyone is in the room
together right now. Anyway, we noted this idea of gravitational eccentricity.
It's eighteen forty six, you discovered Neptune, Bully good tally ho.
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You start noticing the orbit is not what you expected.
And so you start saying, what else is out there?
You're human, you're obsessed with space. You know there's a
lot of stuff in the neighborhood. And then you do
the thing that science does. You look back on previous research, right,
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previous speculation, previous exploration, and with that we gotta we
gotta explore the history of the Niburu conspiracy theories and
hit some science on the way, because it turns out
neburu is an incredibly old word, and as as all
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our fellow etymology nerds know, we got to spensive dime
just dig it in to where that word comes from.
Speaker 4 (29:38):
We sure do, and we're going to and we're gonna
say naburu again as promised, because it's a word that
comes from the ancient Akkadian language and translates roughly to
mean crossing or a point of transition, and it's typically
something that's used.
Speaker 3 (29:52):
To refer to rivers.
Speaker 4 (29:54):
So in ancient Babylonia, this was basically Jupiter, which is
such a big, old chunky fella that you could see
it then as we can now without the need of
a lensed device like a telescope. So remember, for a
super long time, science and religion were inextricably combined, intertwined.
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So for the people of Sumer and Babylonia and ancient Greece,
as well as Rome and all its glory, what we
call planets were considered in real life kind of avatars
connected to the real life superheroes that are the gods.
Speaker 2 (30:34):
They are named after the gods of course, Yes, it
makes sense, and they're out there watching, but they're not
stars because they move. That's weird. I wonder what they're
doing up there must be important, let's write it down. No,
I mean, it makes total sense. We talked about this
concept many many a time. Right when you're an intelligent thing,
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you look up and you see weird stuff and you
start jotting down what you're and you notice stuff's moving,
You're like, oh, what the heck is that?
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Ret Row says humanity. The issue here is that we've
talked about it as as you're saying in the past.
The issue here is that when science and religion are combined,
they can achieve great things, and they can also limit
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each other. Right, So the separate pursuits have created opportunities
for more discourse, for more exploration. But as Lil said
back in the day. You're in the Mediterranean, you're in
the Middle Eastern Delta. You're trying to explain weird stuff
(31:51):
you see in the sky and you say, oh, obviously
that must be kind of God, right or God. So Marduke,
he's a big deal for us. This is great. Also,
this reminds us to check out our Anunaki episode. That's
another one that we took forever to do and I
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thought it was pretty good.
Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh, it was great. Well, that's where we really get
into Zichaisichen. His book The Twelfth Planet, came out a
long time ago, ends up being one of the primary
things that solidifies Nibiru as a as a primary concept
as the home planet of the Anunaki. And that's why
it actually means trouble for us, because not only is
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a planet on the way that spells trouble, but there's
a whole ancient intelligent civilization that birth humanity is going
to return. It's very much it's very much like the
return of a godhead, like a Jesus or something like that,
except it's Aliens and they're the ones that created us.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
Did you know the Vatican has an observatory.
Speaker 2 (32:58):
Yes, and the Vatican has said some weird stuff about
planetary bodies in the past.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
Oh what, no way, yeah, no way. The Vatican has
said something weird about anything ever, that's nuts. Well, are
they pass their butter thing? No? Are they pass their
butter thing?
Speaker 4 (33:20):
I don't know if you ever really get past the
butter thing?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Ben?
Speaker 3 (33:23):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (33:23):
Well, one thing that humanity didn't get passed for a
while is the popularity of this book, The Twelfth Planet.
It's millions and millions of copies. So that book has
been extremely popular and in the zeitgey since nineteen seventy six.
So you can see why a book like that comes
out that is supposedly based in science and in ancient
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history and translations right of these ancient Sumerian texts and things.
And then you can see how a lot of people
may think, oh, there's something to this pre.
Speaker 3 (33:55):
Public pre public access to the internet.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Well yeah, so well, but then, but then there's so
many holes to be punched, as we talked about in
that other episode, Ben, to be punched into some of
the translations, some of the ways in which that information
comes to us via Sitchen.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Yeah, yeah, he's a von dannik In character. He's passed away,
and we asked Accounting for a Wija board so we
could do an interview segment. We'll update you if we
hear back from stitching.
Speaker 4 (34:30):
Surely we can.
Speaker 3 (34:31):
Swing a Weezi board.
Speaker 4 (34:32):
Guys, I mean, you know how much could a Wigi
word cost? How much could one Wigi board cost?
Speaker 3 (34:37):
I'm telling you no, it's the inflation at this point.
You know your your old school wija board used to
cost you three wooden nickels, an apple and your first child,
and now it's like fifteen bucks.
Speaker 4 (34:52):
Can we get a stranger things branded Wiji board or
perhaps the conjuring that seems like it would make a
little more sense. There we go.
Speaker 3 (34:59):
So we're in a pause to follow up with Accounting,
and we'll be right back with more about Nabiu. We've returned.
So we mentioned the idea of Nebru as a concept,
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and we also mentioned Zechariah stitching. If you're looking it up,
the first name is spelled ze c h A r
i A. It's a little bit different from what you
might anticipate, right if you're from the West, because that
guy is born in nazerbaisad no shade. Sorry, I just
(35:43):
pointed out these from Azerbaishad as though that matters to
what he thinks. But so he is like an he's
like a Von Danakin, He's like the guy who wrote
Chariots of the Gods later and the ideas that he
sort of originates this ancient astronaut theory.
Speaker 2 (36:06):
It really.
Speaker 3 (36:08):
Gets some high auctane gas in the mid nineteen nineties,
nineteen ninety five ish with someone called Nancy Lighter led R.
If we were to describe Lighter fairly, we would say
this is a self articulating experiencer abductee.
Speaker 4 (36:37):
That's right, Yeah, someone who's had alliances with the extraterrestrial,
of an extraterrestrial nature, specifically, as she claims, from the
Zeta Reticuli star system. Which is is that data that
we're aware of or is this something that is, you know,
experientially described by leader herself.
Speaker 3 (36:56):
I love that you're saying that, because this sounds legit,
but it also sounds a little star treking. So it's like,
it's a cool name. I feel you. It's almost too
cool to be true. It's thirty nine light years from Earth, okay,
And the thing is, if life exists in the binary
star system Zeta Reticuli we have no idea what they
(37:18):
call it. We call it Zeta Reticuli. And humanity is
vary into naming stars.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
Absolutely. You can even get your own name on a
star if you want to.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Guys, how much could a star possibly cost?
Speaker 3 (37:33):
Wish upon it?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Well, I believe you can find that out. I don't
know right off hand, but if I'm not mistaken, Ben
and a listener, a kind listener, gifted us with a
star somewhere out there in the blackness of space.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So we're out there in the ink. Yes, thank you
as always for thinking of us, says Planet Earth, and says, is.
Speaker 2 (37:54):
It name to STDWYTK do we know you know what?
Speaker 3 (37:58):
We'll find it an update because we got a nice
plaque and we saved it and we are still looking
for our next studio set and we're gonna frame that
thing and put it front and center.
Speaker 2 (38:14):
I genuinely didn't know this. That's amazing.
Speaker 3 (38:16):
And that's what Nancy Lighter is hoping people were saying.
She says, Nibiu is real. It is going to hit
Near Earth or hit Earth Prime, or it's gonna come
close enough to barrel through the inner part of the
Solar System. And here's when she said it would happen
(38:39):
May of two thousand and three.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
Oh, she was just trying to she didn't understand the message.
She was trying to warn about the invasion of Iraq, right, yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:50):
Yeah, Zeta Reticuli was really concerned with Desert Fox and
Desert Storm for sure. That's like their main priority. Thirty
died the light years from mirth.
Speaker 2 (39:02):
Did I think that was shocking?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
Awe, Actually that was shocking. All there we go. We
solved it. We solved it together. She also, by the way,
had had or has a messionic complex. I am the
chosen one, you know, I'm not a humble messenger. I'm
(39:24):
the only one who could tell you.
Speaker 2 (39:27):
Yeah, that's tough. Can you guys imagine if you really
thought that's what it happened to you, or what if
it really did happen to you, How the heck do
you get that message out without just being ridiculed into oblivion.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
You have to be ready for the ridicule, especially in
the predisclosure days.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
Not that disclosure of experience has been like super overwhelming,
but you know, it does seem like people are a
little more willing to come out and describe some of
these things. But yeah, back in those days it would
you'd have to be open to the ridicule.
Speaker 2 (39:56):
But none of that stuff in the age of disclosure
is talking about the experience. That's right. The person who
actually becomes abducted or is sent a message, right, and
you only you can hear the message or that that
kind of thing.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
That shows in one sort of egoism.
Speaker 2 (40:12):
That's a tougher cell.
Speaker 3 (40:14):
Agreed, Yeah, it's it is a tougher cell, especially because
now we're in the mid nineteen nineties, so the Internet
is extant for the public, which means this person, this
experiencer or self described abductee contact ee, is able to
(40:36):
propagate their views. Right. And the May two thousand and
three prediction is that Earth is going to get hit
by an a biro for real this time, you know,
for real this time, and this will trigger that long
predicted magnetic pull shift most human beings and most higher
(41:03):
order mammals, probably most of the smart avians as well.
The thing is, here's why I think this hit. We
know that the magnetic poles of this planet Earth where
we're currently recording, they shift, they do, they switch up
every so often. The compass will will get weird with
(41:26):
you over a long span of time, so technically that's
not an incorrect prediction. However, this person tied it to
the year two thousand and three, which means not only
was she wrong, but she was wrong before it happened.
(41:46):
So multiple internet forums in this nascent emergent information environment,
they picked up this new folklore and they ran with it.
They ran with it, and then twenty twelve, end of
the year, right or end of the world, I can't
remember which what it was. People go with that as well.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Well, let's talk about that, because I specifically remember being
a bit caught up in the December twenty first, twenty
twelve thing, because it was a calendar year that had
been prophesized and all that other stuff, and a lot
of people were writing not just a lot of people
were writing about it. Everybody was talking about Naberu. Everybody
(42:26):
was talking about the end of the mind calendar. Everybody
was pretty obsessed with that. If you go to Live
Science back in July of twenty eleven now and How
Stuff Works Live Science twenty eleven, Natalie Wolchover is writing
about how obsessed people are believers in mysterious planet Nabiu
await Earth's end, and genuinely there was this concept that
(42:52):
something catastrophic was going to happen, whether it is a
planet arriving or some other thing within Earth is going
to begin causing earthquakes and volcanic activity and all that
kind of stuff. When something like that gets in the
zeitgeist and people are thinking about it and writing about
it and showing up in the news, kind of like
the three I Atlas thing, and it becomes there's just
(43:15):
a deluge of information about it, and who knows how
much of it is speculation in the moment, right, Sometimes
an outlet will tell you it's speculation, but often it won't.
It'll be it won't be like Live Science or how
stuff works, right, It'll be like lad Bible or one
of these other outlets that just makes it seem as
though it's really happening.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Yeah, And we have to remember many, many human beings,
especially in the age of modern media, are convinced that
civilization will end in their lifetime because there's an inherent
narcissism to paranoia, right, And you want to understand the
(43:57):
world around you, you know, we want to have the
best evidence of our environment, and we want to follow
up on any questions. We want to We want to
be experiencers, you know, we want to be more than
anything contacted. So if you are an extra terrestrial and
(44:20):
you're listening right now right to us, we'd love to
hear from you. Conspiracy Atiheartradio dot com. The issue is,
and I think the reason we keep returning to this
is that there is stark, inarguable evidence that some crazy
kaiser so say stuff did smack the snot out of
Earth at multiple times, and there is still a hard,
(44:45):
non zero chance of something hitting planet Earth right now
as you're listening to the show, we've got to introduce
the actual evidence on stage. You know what, you love it?
Speaker 4 (45:00):
It's thea Yeah, Matt, I think this is one that
you were super excited about, but.
Speaker 2 (45:04):
It is because I didn't know any of this crap.
I was never taught this in a school. Nobody told me, Hey,
there was a planet that used to be in the
Inner Solar System, pretty close to the Sun, and it's
a little bit smaller than Earth but kind of similar,
and it's smashed into Earth and oh, that thing is
probably the reason why we have a moon, and that
thing is probably why Earth created life or was able
(45:26):
to create life, and not just some lifeless rock of
molten lavenge.
Speaker 3 (45:32):
It's like a sid Barrett or a fifth beetle. It's
about four and a half billion years ago. That's when
Earth birthed the Moon. As far as we can tell,
this was proto planet.
Speaker 4 (45:44):
If I'm not mis sake, yeah it was a proto Yeah.
Speaker 3 (45:46):
Yeah. Thea is still a hypothesis, right, but it's a
pretty plausible one ancient Early System planet around the size
of modern Mars. So for all of us who have
been to Mars, think of it as a little bit bigger,
a little bit smaller not and it just hit Earth,
(46:11):
or hit our little startup Earth at this point. It
hit it with the force of the same thing that
killed the dinosaurs, but that was an asteroid. This one
was much bigger. These were planets colliding. The reason we
call them proto planets is because they had not highlander
style cleared out their orbit, right. These things were on
(46:35):
the same path around the Sun, and it hit Earth
or what we call Earth, so hard that a whole
bunch of debris entered orbit, and it later sort of
woo tanged together and formed the thing that we call
the Moon. This happened very slowly. It happened due to
(46:57):
gravity or possibly alien the do you guys like the
or possibly We always it's always on the.
Speaker 2 (47:05):
Table because as you said, as you said, all of
this is theoretical, right, so we believe that this is
what happened, and it might simp believe. We've known that
something collided with Earth in order to form the moon,
unless the moon just got parked there, right, that's the
creator hypothesis, that something drove the moon, put it there,
(47:26):
or created the moon out of a bunch of stuff
and made it as so, so it's.
Speaker 3 (47:31):
Lord Soul is simulation and you get like you get
an option when you start the game and you say
how many moons?
Speaker 2 (47:39):
Yes, yes, But the closest thing that science has to
understanding why in the hell moon? Why moon? How moon?
It is this, right, an impact event of two planets
is a protoplanet and a planet that's forming. And it
just blows my mind because it feels like the kind
of thing that I would have I should have memories
(47:59):
of learning as a kid, because it would help me
understand where we are right now and how we got
to this place. And isn't that kind of what all
of this is in pursuit of figuring out how we
got here, what's happened before, and what might come next.
Speaker 3 (48:14):
What might come next is the most mission critical part.
One cool story about the concept of FA is that
this collision may have also been what brought h twoo
to the planet in large amounts.
Speaker 2 (48:33):
And I like that.
Speaker 3 (48:34):
I like that story.
Speaker 2 (48:35):
Well, that's cool. It's a life giver, right, We're just
learning about comets and asteroids that even the ones that
are Transmutonian way out there in the Kuiper Belt, a
lot of these things have sugars on them along.
Speaker 3 (48:48):
With water, right a, medio acids as well.
Speaker 2 (48:51):
Things that all of the requirements for life are on
these things floating around in space. And if I don't know,
just sorry, guys. I'm a little overwhelmed by all of
this because it is such a deeper understanding of the
of our Solar system in a way that Panspermia now
no longer seems like a crazy idea.
Speaker 3 (49:11):
What it never was, Well, well, just a dumb it's
a hilarious name, but it's a really good concept.
Speaker 2 (49:17):
It is, but it was it was ridiculed for a time.
In the same way the concept of Nibiru was ridiculed.
Oh so you're saying comets and stuff just like hit
the earth and they had all this stuff. Okay, oh
Lucas comic guy.
Speaker 3 (49:30):
Good, hey, comic guy, Where's where's your where's your wada?
Speaker 2 (49:35):
Well, it's the same thing.
Speaker 3 (49:36):
I don't know why that from Boston.
Speaker 2 (49:38):
I love where's your wada? Comic guy, It's the same thing.
Abvi Lobe is railing against right now. He's yelling at
NASA and the scientific community and the boffins, if you
will for having this air of we have the knowledge,
we know what is happening, so we will talk down
at anything and anyone who comes to us with a
(49:59):
more out their concept, would you say?
Speaker 3 (50:02):
It harkens back to our earlier conversation at the top
of this episode about religion and science. At a certain point,
academics can act a little bit dismissive, a little bit zealous,
a little bit like priest.
Speaker 2 (50:20):
Because they control the information. They're the only ones who
can read.
Speaker 3 (50:23):
The Bible that's going to come back to haunt me.
Oh my god, I want to vulgate version of all
scientific knowledge.
Speaker 4 (50:32):
To test the season for hauntings. Though you know the
ghosts of Christmas past and all that.
Speaker 2 (50:37):
Yes, well, just to add on to here, when we're
talking about all this stuff, Yeah, the avvy lobe of
it all, think back to what we learned about Apophus
a long time ago. I recall videos watching Neilo grass
Tyson talking about this near Earth asteroid of Office and
how in twenty twenty nine it could potentially impact Earth.
(50:59):
There's like a you know, astronomers do their absolute best
to understand the full timing and orbit of near Earth objects,
asteroids and things like that, right, but there's a little
stuff they can throw it off.
Speaker 3 (51:11):
And we're working with the information we have, which is
never all of the information correct.
Speaker 2 (51:17):
So when you've got a near Earth asteroid that has
potential to impact Earth because there are going to be
those those slight deviations in its orbit, you can say
something the way Neilder grass Tyson did. It's possible that
this thing, you know, that's around eleven hundred feet wide
could impact Earth and it would be like the kind
that wreaked havoc on Earth previous times.
Speaker 4 (51:39):
Right.
Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yeah, you're in a you're in a three dimensional pen
ball machine, and you not only don't have a flipper,
but you can't see where the balls are coming from.
Speaker 2 (51:55):
Yes, And we've been in that situation since we've been here,
right with the ability to look up at things and
take notes, and we're going to continue to be in
that place, and we're going to continue to discover new
things that are far out there. So you can, like
our alma mater, how stuff works. In their article that
they wrote way back in the day of the Truth
behind the Road planet Nebiu, which was updated in twenty
(52:17):
twenty three, you can find out Mark Mancini wrote that,
but in the end, this is the last line spoiler alert.
The jury is in Neburu's just a hoax, and you
can go that route and believe that, and that's that's
fine in the case of Nebiu. It's just we have
to caution ourselves against taking that same thought process with
any other potential planet that's potentially observed. Right that early stage,
(52:42):
before Neptune was officially in the lexicon of planets, when
it was just a blip out there in some strange
orbits that seem to be off by a little bit.
Speaker 4 (52:51):
I mean, you know, long story short, right, new things
are being discovered all the time, and like science is advancing,
and observational technology is advancing, and you know, hopefully the
space program will continue to advance.
Speaker 3 (53:03):
We'll see. But I mean, yeah, it's like you.
Speaker 4 (53:05):
Don't want to close yourself off to this concept of
future discoveries. I mean, it's that slippery slope of being
so egocentric as a society and as a species that
we think we know all the things that there are
to know. It's I think it's as simple as that.
Speaker 3 (53:19):
Right, there's so much more to do. Oh the places
you will go. Right, it says the universe hopefully had
to be clear mark in our Alma mater house. Stuff works.
When at that last line where he's saying bus just
a hoax, I took it to mean they saying the
BIU doomsday prophecies are a hoax because at this time
(53:44):
there was I don't know, there was a lot of
research into possibilities of things like we were still using
the term Roague planet at that point. But you know, look,
we can say this, most if not all, of these
new Biru cataclysm theories are incorrect, and most, if not
(54:08):
all end of the world predictions are the same. They
are incorrect. The world is ending for someone every single day, right,
but civilization overall not collapsing. If it does, when humans
are gone, life on Earth is going to continue and
(54:31):
there's going to be a lot more stuff out there
in the ink. Now. We hope this podcast continues for
three thousand, six hundred years, and if it does turn
out that we are incorrect and we do get smacked
while we wait if we do this, guys, help me
with the math here. If we do this podcast for
(54:53):
three thousand, six hundred years, are we still going to
be on Earth.
Speaker 2 (54:57):
When we do it out? On that one, Ben, we
won't be here.
Speaker 3 (55:03):
It's also true. Okay, all right, the jury, the jury
has spoken. What do you think? Let's go to Tennessee, Dylon.
You got any thoughts on this one? When you were
in Nabiu, What you guys talked about when you talked
about Earth.
Speaker 5 (55:21):
You know, we were trying to figure out if Earth
was real, so we had the same you know, conversations
that we're having here.
Speaker 2 (55:28):
But about Earth.
Speaker 3 (55:29):
Do you guys have rudabagas over there?
Speaker 5 (55:31):
Yeah, it's a whole alternate Rudebiga's universe over there, currency, cars,
anything you can think of.
Speaker 3 (55:39):
Great, that's our show. Thank you so much for tuning
in folks. We hope the end of the year is
finding you well. We hope this is not the year
that Nibiru hits the earth. We also can't wait to
hear from Oh Gosh, Matt Knowles, shall be open the door,
(56:00):
ask for a strawby.
Speaker 4 (56:01):
We have an open door policy, as far as I'm concerned,
we have an open door, open earth policy.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
Yeah, you can call us on a phone. You can
always send us an email, and you can find us
on the lines.
Speaker 4 (56:15):
Boy, can you ever find us all over the lines
at the handle conspiracy stuff where we exist on Facebook
with our conspiracy Facebook group Here's where it gets crazy,
on xfka, Twitter, and on YouTube where we got videos
of some kind. You can also find us on Instagram
and TikTok at the handle conspiracy Stuff Show. And if
I'm not mistaken, I think there's more.
Speaker 2 (56:34):
Yes, we have a phone number. It is one eight
three three st d WYTK. Change those letters into numbers.
Call the number. You'll get our voicemail system. Leave a
three minute voicemail. Inside that voicemail, please say a nickname,
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can use your name and message on the air. If
you've got other things that you want to type out instead,
(56:56):
why not send us a good old fashioned email.
Speaker 3 (56:58):
We are these that read each piece of correspondence we receive.
Be well aware, yet I'm afraid sometimes the void writes back.
Actually pretty often, we've got some homework. Here's a random
thing from one of our favorite books. Depraved and insulting
English guys. I'm gonna flip through. Just say when.
Speaker 2 (57:21):
When all right?
Speaker 3 (57:24):
There we go, folks, fabiform shaped like a bean. I
don't know if that's depraved or insulting, but I guess
they had to write the whole book anyway. Conspiracy at
iHeartRadio dot com for more strange, random facts.
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