January 23, 2019 • 50 mins
On November 11, 2018, seismologists began puzzling over a weird low-frequency rumble that rang through the entire planet. The wave wasn’t connected to any known events, and scientists remain mystified by the mysterious phenomenon. Join the guys as the explore the theories behind the world’s weirdest earthquake.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Welcome
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back to the show. My name is Matt, my name
is they call me Ben. We are joined with our
guest super producer, Casey the Quake Pegrum. So everybody say
hello to him. And most importantly, you are you. You
are here that makes this stuff they don't want you
to know. A groundbreaking episode in a number of ways,
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earth chattering perhaps. Yeah, it's our first it's our first
time getting back together after the UH in the new year,
after the relatively arbitrary end of December. I mean, just
as me going out of my way to be disrespectful
to the Gregorian calendar system. You can, yeah, which is
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a man made thing. It is that we've discussed on
the show. Say it's it's the anniversary of our obsession
with arbitrary time. Yeah, I think Hallmark is going to
put some cards out to just say that, right. But yeah,
you can almost breathe now, by the way, I went
out outside like last night, the night before and you
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just can not breathe because of all the leftover smoke
and stuff that's in the air, and it's weird because
overnight everything outside looks like Blade Runner. Now it's crazy,
just switched really like that meme that was making the
rounds in December reminding everyone to dress and Blade Runner
appropriate clothing. So unlike Blade Runner and unlike the Gregorian calendar,
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earthquakes like that segue are a natural phenomenon. We didn't
make those up. They've just been around. It's kind of
like I don't know if we talked about on the
show before, but do you ever no, I know you
hate birds, but I walk around sometimes in these our
modern days and think, you know, have we as humans
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really figured out things of significance. I mean, sure, we
can put stuff into space, but birds can still fly
around and on anyone whenever they want to, because you
only have an umbrella if it's raining, and we also
can't do much about that. Earthquakes are kind of like that.
They're kind of like, uh, Mother Nature's way of reminding
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you that you can get you upon at any given point,
you know, unless you're on the moon or something. But
earthquakes have been around. They've been terrorizing humanity since before
the Dawn of recorded history. Right, And it comes about
because the planet appears to be a stable surface. We
even have cliches about it, figures of speech, like a
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raw right, the old Chevy campaign. Yes, And and the
thing is that this is misleading because the planet, as
I'm sure many of us know, is not a stable surface,
not remotely. It may look like it's a stable surface,
kind of the way that everyone looks like they might
be cool and chill on the first date, But then
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once you get into the layers, you see this is
a complex network of interacting catastrophic traumatic forces. Am I
saying that? Am I comparing dates to earthquakes? Maybe? I
don't know twenty nineteen. We're all figuring it out today.
Certainly both have the potential for some bumping and grinding.
Hey there we go. Good save. And it's weird when
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you think about how strange and upsetting these things have been. Um,
have you guys ever been in an earthquake? Do we
talk about this on the air before? There was apparently
one that everyone felt here in Atlanta. The other a
couple of weeks ago, but I slept right through it.
It was in the night. My kid woke up and
told me she had a dream about an earthquake, which
is kind of weird. Oh so maybe she made it
happen with her dreammind super EmPATH over there. I've never
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been in one, but I was in San Francisco recently
and we went over the Bay Bridge and on the radio,
as we're going over this huge bridge, they're discussing how
it was the anniversary it was in October of this
massive earthquake in I think that actually flattened part of
that bridge, like while people were driving underneath it. It
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was really really horrifuny to think about. Yeah, I've never
been in a major earthquake, which I guess, I guess,
go me, but it's a U But I have been.
When I was living abroad, earthquakes were more common than
they are here in Atlanta, Georgia, and I was I
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was freaked out. It was just eating breakfast with a
host family and then everything just sort of jiggles that
I'm shaking the table. Everyone everything jiggles just just for
a little bit. Nobody else loses a skips a b right,
it loses a step. Yeah, And what was the was
the structure really sound that you were in? It was
just a small one. It was just a little little shiver,
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little Central American shiver in the soil. And then they
explained to me that that wasn't anything to get excited about.
That probably wouldn't even make a decent landslide, and the
idea that was read it as a decent landslide. It's
also strange, but these things have been around, and we'll
talk about how people win the dark lottery that is
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an earthquake. But this might surprise some of us to
learn that although these things have been around forever, were
much longer than people, we as a species didn't really
start understanding what causes them until maybe like maybe a
century ago we started. And it's true, way back in
the thirteen hundreds and other periods of time, uh, there
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were inventors who had figured out ways to detect earthquakes right,
detect seismic disturbance, but we didn't really understand why it happened,
much less were we capable of developing technology to measure
the magnitude in a significant way. And today's episode is
about the latest unexplained seismic events because spoiler alert, we
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still don't know near as much as we thought we
knew about earthquakes, and Matt, this is something that you
hipped us to off the air. Recently, there was a
global wave of earthquakes that somehow rang the Earth like
a bell? Right, what was it? What was that? Even? Mean?
I mean, I guess, first things first, if we want
to figure out what happened recently, we have to understand
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what an earthquake is. And luckily we are affiliated with
a website called how Stuff Works yea, and that writes
articles about these kinds of things. We also remembering a
lot of this from our physical science classes. That's right,
That's right, Noel is going off solely physical science from
what is that Hotton Mifflin. Is that the they put
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out the text book. I'm pretty sure it may have
been a different company, but I know they did a
lot of them. Rings true, just like the Earth was
uh not long ago. So technically, an earthquake is just
that it's a vibration that travels through the Earth's Earth's crust,
that that thing that we walk around on every day
and pretend like it's completely stable and everything's okay. And
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and like we've kind of discussed, earthquakes can be caused
by all kinds of different things everything from if a
meteor happens to travel, you know, into the Earth's atmosphere
and then impact with the Earth's Earth's crust, you will
get a nice earthquake that will also end a lot
of lives, probably if not in the entire human species.
They can also be caused by volcanic eruptions that are
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occurring beneath the crust and sometimes as a part of
the crust. And it can also sometimes be made by
man made things, you know, mind collapses, underground nuclear tests,
which is a topic that we've discussed before. There's a
lot of technology trying to get the fracking, and fracking
that's the big one. Even saying it sounds like it's
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a bad thing, it really does. Oh but here's the thing.
Most naturally occurring earthquakes are caused by this, uh, the
Earth's crust itself, when there are these moving pieces of
the Earth's crust called tectonic plates. Now there's really getting
back to that physical science class. I confirmed that Toton
Mifflin didn't make physical science books so good. They're still
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in print new editions every year. It's a racket. It's beautiful,
it's not. It's it's awful. McMillan's used. That's true. McMillan's also,
But don't you remember like the whole idea like this,
the textbook racket. How it's like, you know, you have
to buy it from this exactly. Come of they got
a monopoly on them. Oh no, that's a whole episode
probably that we should do. I think you're right late,
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so plates, yeah, uh, let's let's just keep going. Scientists
didn't come up with any real solid theory that explained
exactly what an earthquake was or what caused it until
the mid nineteen sixties, and they call this theory plate
tech tonics. There you go. So here's the gist. Earth
has a crust, which you mentioned earlier, Matt, and people
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who want to sound authoritative or accurate will call it
the lithosphere. You hear it, smart people, usually because they're seismologist,
you know what I mean, And they probably think crust
is for cake. I don't know if you're a seismologist,
right in, Uh, this crust is not a single seamless shell. Instead,
it is composed of layers of plates and these things.
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Every day they're sort of bumping into each other while
they float on this lubricant layer called the esthenosphere, and
all the hi jinks seismically speaking, in the world on
the planet happens at the boundaries of these plates, sort
of the way, since I'm just doing terrible comparisons for apparently,
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sort of the way that i'll lot of the really
crazy stuff that happens in many countries happens at the
border towns, you know what I mean. That's and these
hijinks take a number of forms, so we don't want
to get too into the weeds here, but just so
you have the gist. First, there's something called the divergent
plate boundary. Plates might move apart, allowing magma and cave
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molten rock to reach the surface as lava, and this stuff,
once it reaches the surface, cools and adds to the crust,
essentially functioning the way that cult functions, filling in the
space between tiles. If you've ever you know, if you've
ever laid tiles somewhere, yes, And then there are convergent
plate boundaries, which is pretty much the exact opposite of that,
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where at the boundary of two plates they are kind
of squishing together, and that's when you can get mountains
formed where a lot of volcanic activity occur as that
kind of thing. Um, it's literally pushing up volcanoes too, right, yeah,
and and also sometimes pushing down like it's kind of weird.
They just they've you can imagine all the different things
it that to a very strong and heavy things do
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when they push against each other, the very system forces. Yeah,
they can subduct, right, and that creates mountains for our
purposes today. The next category is the most important. It's
where two plates sort of slide by one another, like
two ships in the night order, two trucks on an interstate,
just side swiping each other. They very slowly, and that
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is what is known as a transform boundary, where energy
builds up in the region between the two plates, and
that forms a fault line um or a break in
the earth crust where blocks of crust are moving in
different directions. And I'm already picturing the beautifully color coded
image from that physical science book where it has big
fat arrows going in either direction and the plate pieces
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one in purple and one and like red, kind of
overlapping each other and like grinding against each other in
different directions, and that's what creates that fault in a
weird way. This one is the scariest to me for
some reason, and I don't know why. I think it
should be the one where the plates are actually moving
away from each other, because that's in my head, when
you get the lava coming out, when you get the
whole opening up with a fissure or something. But this
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these two, if you've ever seen the images in I
believe it was in Japan during the the last major
tsunami that occurred there where you can actually see parts
of the street that are doing this movement, like moving
in parallel next to each other, that for some reason
terrifies me. Yeah, we're talking about fault lines, right, and
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the majority of earthquakes, not all, but the majority happen
along these transform boundary fault lines. And there are some
there are different types of fault lines, there are different
types of seismic waves. But again, this is just the gist.
This is just what we need to know. That's that's
how an earthquake works. So how many quakes are we
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talking is where it starts to get pretty interesting, because
the U S Geological Survey estimates that there are as
many as one point three million quakes with a magnitude
greater than two point o on the Richter scale. That's
the threshold at which humans can feel the vibrations. Stuff
less than that might really freak out your household pet,
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you know what I mean. But this two point oh
is where you get to the legit people's spider sense
goes off for it. And there are one three million
of them, which is pretty nuts, right I did. I
guess because we only hear about the real, the real
terrible ones on the news that we we have a
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lot of these pass without ever you know, registering on
our radar, so to speak. So in general, the majority
of earthquakes are not going to be particularly powerful. They're
also not going to last for very long at all,
even the catastrophic ones. Strong ground shaking during a moderate
or large earthquake last maybe thirty seconds, ten to thirty seconds.
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And then after that, after you you know, you shake
up one part of the of the earth, other parts
around it start to shake as well. So then you
can have timblers, and you can have aftershocks and things
like that, and most of these things, these aftershocks can
happen for like weeks or months later, but you probably
still won't notice them. Because again, most earthquakes are not
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very powerful, and many, many, many of them occur in
the middle of nowhere. I always stop the word timbler.
Sounded like a cute like diminutive earthquake, but apparently they
can be quite catastrophic as well. What is it that
is true? Timbler? Timbler? You know, it sounds like an
app just sounds cute, but no, it's a big deal.
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And like you said, Ben, it's gets a chain reaction
and it all depends on the magnitude of the first one.
I guess as to how bad the aftershock and the
other things that it causes later will be. Yeah, and
we are enormously fortunate too that as earthquakes are so
very small, and it's this brutal lottery. You know, in
case of the rare quake capable of touching a population center,
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it can destroy the city in minutes, just like you
were talking about Matt with the with the um road
moving in different directions, things that should be solid appearing
fluid for even a moment's time. You know, these things
can rereak enormous amounts of property damage and more importantly,
they can claim thousands of lives and we have some
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statistics about that as well. I think, oh yeah, over
the last decade alone, earthquakes and then the tsunami's avalanches,
landslides that follow because of these earthquakes, they've killed over
six hundred and eighty eight thousand people around the world.
That that's insane over the course of ten years. And
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um arguably the most lethal quake in history had a
magnitude of eight point zero And this one occurred quite
a long time ago in in China and the Shanxi
province in fifteen fifty six. And you can imagine the
structural engineering has come a long way since fifteen fifty six. UM.
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And just the devastation that occurred when that eight point
oh struck that that city, it was close to a
million people. Yeah, we're killed. Yeah, that's that's I mean,
I just can't can't imagine and one fell swoop and
they didn't expect it to, you know what I mean.
And it was the earth itself attacking in a way.
That's a poetic way to put it. And it's interesting, Matt,
like you mentioned San Francisco, and especially in places that
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are more prone to earthquakes, they build out their infrastructure
with that in mind, like houses on stilts and things
of that nature, and that's probably not something they would
have even considered it this time, right, this, this is
about several hundred years after they built maybe the first
early earthquake detector, which looks really cool. It's un It's
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the way that it works is if certain parts of
the world shake, then these balls rolled down into this
dragon's mouth and it points in whatever cardinal direction that
the catastrophe occurred. But they didn't know how to build
something that would would stand at act of the heavens, right,
and the survivors adapted as best they could. There was
one scholar who survived the quake and later provided us
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what may very well be the first earthquake preparedness advice
in history. He said, at the very beginning of the earthquake,
people indoors should not go out immediately, just crouched down
and wait for chances. Even if the nest is collapsed,
some eggs in it may still be kept intact. Yikes.
I means it's eloquent, but it's also frightening, you know. Yeah,
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and its counterintuitive as well. And again I've never experienced
it personally, but my first instinct would be get out
into like open land where there's nothing fall on you.
But then you have to imagine trees and all the
other buildings, and especially if you're in a city, just
all the things that could be falling on you and
debris and the ground opening up beneath you, yea or landslides, mudslides, right,
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So that's that's the science and those are the stakes.
So let's fast forward to the morning of November eleven.
Universal time quick note for everyone. Universal time or UT
is the modern version of Greenwich meantime. So Universal time
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AM would be four thirty am here on the east
coast of the North American continent. So these seismic waves
begin roughly fifteen miles off the shore of Mayote. This
is a French island that's kind of sandwiched between Africa
and the northern tip of Madagascar. You can look it up.
It's cool looking little place. The waves just started buzzing
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across Africa and there it started ringing sensors all across
the earth. In Zambia, at least in this area, Kenya, Ethiopia.
They traversed across the oceans. They were humming all the
way over to Chile, all the way to New Zealand,
to Canada, even Hawaii nearly eleven thousand miles away. So
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just this one tiny place on Earth just starts. Well,
that's a really good sound effect of a gurgle. But
here's the thing. Unlike the earthquakes that we've talked about,
with these waves you can feel. And again the waves
versus what you can feel can be slightly different depending
on the frequency. But they didn't just you know, ding
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or and go by. It lasted for over twenty minutes.
Twenty minutes of this And here's the thing. Not only
was no one hurt by this event, or no one
hurt during this event, no one knew it happened, at
least that is until the Loan Twitter user noticed the
ODDS signal on the u S Geological Surveys real time
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seis mcgrandm displays and this set off another chain of events.
All right, Seismologists around the world tried to figure out
why this quake was so unusual and how it happened.
So what did they find? We will tell you after
a word from our sponsor. Years where it gets crazy,
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No one knows. Yeah, still right now, nobody, no nobody
knows what happened. So this this occurred on November eleven,
again November eleven, and as of right now, we're in
I guess that's not that far off a runway, but
we don't. We still don't know what happened. And we've
been studying these earthquakes for a while. We have very
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sensitive equipment across the globe. Like we said, it was
noticed in all these different places, but we're still in
the dark. So yeah, one of the reasons we're in
the dark is that this quake is unusual, as several
strange attribeuse. Not only did it last for a cartoonishly
long amount of time, it also did not behave like
any other known quake. In a normal earthquake, these built
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up tensions again along that transform boundary, right, these built
up tensions in the lithosphere release with a jolt in
seconds just and this sends out a series of other
smaller pops, a series of waves known as a wave train,
which it sounds like something way more cool, doesn't it.
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Um A wave train is not this awesome car and
an Amtrak line. It's it's the series of seismic waves
that radiate out from the point of wherever this rupture
occurs like ripples in water, like ripples of water. That's excellent. Yeah,
And we have descriptions from seismologists like Stephen Hicks at
the University of Southampton who he breaks down the order
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in which these waves occur. So, the fastest traveling signals
are the ones called they're called the primary waves, and uh,
the the seismologists call them the P waves, I know.
But they move in bunches like what happens to an
extended slinky when you suddenly push it at one end. Yes,
you can see that wave occur and then there you know,
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the wave chain continues. Yet then you get secondary waves
or S waves, and these have more of a side
to side motion. Um. And both these two, the primary
and the S waves, have relatively high frequencies, and Hicks
describes them as a sort of ping rather than a rumbling.
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And after that then you have these slow, kind of
longer period surface waves that show up. And these are
the ones that most closely resemble the signals from Mayott. Yeah,
which is weird because there's no big earthquake, right, They're
supposed to come third in line. Yeah, here they are
again just sort of happening a little irritating to science us. Right, well, yeah,
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because you can just get these service ways all of
a sudden, and what the hell is happening here? Guys?
Anyone go on Twitter, Hey, what's this? And then just
a Twitter storm occurred? Right, exactly what the hell is
going on? Is there no order to this chaotic and uncaring,
inexplicable universe? Right, Seismologists weren't grappling with um philosophical countries
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of that nature they were. They were more focused on
figuring out why this thing is happening? Right, and now
we're at the point where there are several theories, some
that are more plausible than others, and we can we
can walk through some of these. They get increasingly exciting.
One what about a meteor What if it? What if
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a meteorite somehow caused earthquakes? Initially, scientists searched the region
around this this island to see whether there was any
evidence that a non terrestrial object could be the culprit
behind the quake. So far, no one has found any
compelling proof. So this theory, while it has some sand
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to it, can be safely dismissed. And I guess in
a way this could make sense. I guess to someone
theorizing about it, because you don't have those the those
P and S waves that are associated with that quick jolt, right,
that's why this one was thought to be possible. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
good point, just because I guess if you had the
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surface waves of or the surface and literally the surface
of the water being impacted without that deep cracking, I
I guess that makes sense. That makes sense to me.
Not that, yes, not that they said, what if it
were not an act of nature and it's random, you know,
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infinite monkeys type on infinite typewriter's sort of scenario. What
if somehow human beings are responsible? Yeah? Um, but here's
the thing. Scientists tend to want to take care to
not accidentally veer into bananas conspiracy theory territory. But um,
the way these waves behaved, the regularity of them was
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quite extraordinary, quite remarkable. So you see that long low
frequency grumble is kind of punctuated by a series of
high frequency blips signals. It turns out that have very
regular intervals like this often tend to be artificially generated.
That's just how it is. And yeah, as you're reading
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about this event, because you can find it in places
from Gizmoto to Big Think. They are they discuss how
these tiny little pings occurred, and as as an Alma
was saying, like clockwork, they's just if you're looking at
the wave form, it's it would literally be as though
someone is playing an instrument or hitting something, or a
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mechanical to vice is triggering at an exact time. It's
so weird and it's spooky. This is kind of a
matter of interpretation, but it is. It feels way more
plausible or way more probable, rather that this is somehow
man made. When you hear it, yes, you know what
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I mean. It sounds similar to machinery in terms of
the intervals. But but our species has been fooled before, right,
we have we First we have to admit we have
found no evidence of heavy industry in the area, at
least nothing that people know of so far. Right, and
to be fair, we have encountered other natural processes and
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phenomenon objects that have the appearance of regularity. When pulsars
came out in the we're discovered. I guess it's a
better way to say. When pulsars were discovered in the
nineteen sixties, people were convinced they were generated by intelligent
life hands down, and even look at in a pulsar.
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Now it's like, okay, really, you're gonna you're gonna make
that light exactly that many times at that rate. Okay, cool,
because pulsars, you know, rapidly rotate and they have this
kind of lighthouse appearance and the flashes seem to be
on a regular calculated um frequency right or interval. So
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the original source of pulsars, when it's discovered, they were
called l g m s, which stood for little Green Men.
So we've been full before. This still could be some
This still could be a natural phenomenon rather than you know,
a large scale fracking or something. So there's no evidence
of something man made that's large enough to produce this
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kind of global event that we know about that we
know about, that's correct. So what if we look more
closely under the water and for that we go to
the French Geological survey or the b r g M
and UH it's closely monitoring the recent shaking and it
suggests that there's a new center of volcanic activity that
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may be developing off the coast of Mayot. Because Mayote
was formed from from volcanism or volcanoes volcanic activity, but
the volcanoes in this area have had just they haven't
erupted in over four thousand years. So basically the thinking was, well,
perhaps that's not the first go to just because it's
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been dormant for so long. But the b r g M,
again the French Geological Surveys analysis, it suggests that this
new activity may point to uh magmatic movement off shore.
And we're talking We're not talking like take a few steps.
We're talking miles from the coast under thousands of feet
of water. Yeah. I have to interject because this is
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one of them. I proposed this be the word of
the day episode that was Some people may have thought
that you were mispronouncing magnetic, but you're not. Oh you're
saying magmatic. Magnetic. What a great word, Yeah, buddy, magmatic.
And I like vulcanism too, volcanism magmatic. Yeah. I think
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that the reason a lot of people get into the
science of this stuff is because the names are so cool.
It's fun to say. Yeah. Man, So if this is
the case, then here's my question. First of all, um,
if they have interrupted four thousand years, doesn't that mean
they're due for an eruption, guys. I mean, and you
think they could predict it, they could see if there
was something. Where's all the lava? Right, yeah, exactly where's
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the lava? And if you think about some of the
things we've discussed in a slightly different capacity, but with um,
what the hell am I thinking here? The the supervolcano
in the middle of the United Yes, and you think
about that when you're talking about the interval of time
to all where it's been so long we're just waiting
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for it to occur. But also it's the margin of
error here is in terms of geologic geological time. So
we're a we are but a blip, we are a
we are an awkward thought in the very fleeting ephemera
of Earth's mind. So this is when we see another proposal.
And so folks at the E. N. S University in
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Paris say, hey, maybe it's not a meteor. Maybe there's
magma draining from a site somewhere and it's caused and
it's magma draining from a subterranean reservoir and when the
magma is moving, the reservoirs collapsing, and this is causing quakes,
and they looked at the GPS data and from that
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they said, Okay, we think this kind of thing might
happen if point three cubic miles of magma all moved
at once, or they said, possibly monsters the Eldridge dead
and dreaming beast from the darkness between the stars, slumbering
until the constellations reach a predetermined position. Not getting scientists
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did propose that multiple people. Actually they did some kind
of Eldrich beast. I'm pretty sure they were joking, But
you know, what would the show be if we don't
include that part? Yeah, yep. And speaking of the weird
out there stuff, we did save the best theory. I'm sorry,
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I can't speak for everyone in my opinion the best theory.
Oh no, no, I'm right there with you, Benny. We
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Back in two thousand thirteen, Wiki Leaks released an article
alleging that a mysterious vortex opened over the Gulf of Aiden,
just off the Horn of Africa which created catastrophic weather
in the early two thousands. So like like a portal,
(32:15):
just like a portal, but a vortex. Yeah, but this
is what we're talking WikiLeaks, right, Yeah, WikiLeaks did release this.
It was according to a report allegedly prepared by an
Admiral Maximov of Russia's Northern Fleet for Vladimir Putin. What
they said was in late two thousands, the specific year
(32:35):
two thousand, there was a magnetic vortex that was discovered
in this area that you just described, that in the
Gulf of Aden. And according to the story, Russia, the
People's Republic of China, and the USA joined together, cast
aside their paltry human differences to study what was what
this vortex was, and they discovered that it defied logic
(32:58):
and the laws of physics. This sent the world the
conspiracy sphere, uh, kind of like the lithosphere, I guess
on fire. And with the recent reports of odd events
near mayottes More, theorists are resurrecting this story, and who
can blame them? It's a great story, do do. The
cover story from the governments was that all of these
(33:19):
navies were joining forces to combat Somali pirates. That's true. Yeah,
that's true, which is strange when you think about how
much firepower that would be, you know what I mean, Yeah,
to fight a vortex or whatever was going to emerge
from the vortex. And that's yeah, you've stumbled, you've stumbled
on it. So people have also connected this with something
(33:40):
called the Norway spiral or war Way vortex. Uh, and
people started, um, I guess pretty quickly people began bringing
aliens into the picture, right, because why else would these
geopolitical adversaries or at best freenemies cooperate. Yeah, there's an
alleged connection to Jupiter, which is which is fun about
(34:04):
one of the large storms that's on Jupiter and the
vortex showing up when the storm on Jupiter was re emerging. Um.
I could not correlate those two things together just in
my own independent research, but it's it's been discussed about this. Yeah.
And there are other um earthquake related things too, so
(34:26):
we know some of these things are true. Weather manipulation
is a real thing that occurs. China regularly practices this.
Other countries have certainly dabbled with it. The US engaged
in weather manipulation during the Vietnam War, For some people
who believe this vortex exists, the world powers or cooperating
(34:49):
to combat weather related shenanigans. But the people who spice
this up with claims of extraterrestrial or even interdimensional contact
h alleged that world governments in secret have been able
to contact or confront something not of this world. Yeah.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, we
(35:09):
probably didn't confront something from out of this world because
we would be squashed like a bug. I don't know,
man front I get fronted, you know, Yeah, do you have?
But we're just mostly throwing iron and different metals that
are just propelled at high speed at these things. True,
we don't have any really cool stuff yet. Explosives, I
guess are well. I mean, if you detonated a nuclear weapon,
(35:33):
you would it's kind of cutting off your nose despite
your face, you know what I mean. You'd find a
seismic activity, some seismic activity though. That is true. That
is true, and you will find reports that say forty
one earthquake or thirty five earthquakes occurred in a twenty
four hour period in the Gulf of Aiden, and also
a ton of military vessels and commercial vessels are in
(35:58):
the Gulf of Aiden. It's it's a huge shipping lane
for the world, you know what I mean. But yes,
but there's also one major problem, right, what's that the
location location location? That is okay, yes, yes, that is true.
So the Gulf of Aiden is a seven hour plane
flight away from Mayo. So while it could be considered
(36:21):
sort of in the region, it's not nearby. You don't
pop over to the Gulf of Aiden to you know,
pick up milk. I don't know, well, you know, unless
you're in some kind of vessel that is interdimensional in
nature or can travel faster than light, or even just
travel extremely extremely fast and travel underwater. Um, maybe you
(36:45):
could get there really quickly. Yeah, what is really happening
at the Gulf of Aiden? And where did these reports
come from? So wiki leaks has been associated with legitimate stuff.
The way they lease it may have some sort of angle, right,
but what what they just I guess a better way
(37:06):
to say it is Wiki leaks definitely has its own agenda,
and they do. They do display editorial bias in the
way that they release certain things and hold other ones
in confidence. But usually when they were at leased stuff
it's true or it's written in what it's written by
someone who believes it to be true. Right, Yeah, and
(37:27):
and it was this is part of a strap for
email at least a leak that came from the global
intelligence files. Okay, this has occurred in two thousand twelve February.
That's when this specific email was was released with with
the subject huh mysterious vortex warned it's creating warned is
(37:50):
creating global weather catastrophe? Yeah. So for context, strap For
is a intelligence platform, were publisher kind of subscription service.
You can also get some free emails from them. That
was founded in Austin, Texas, and they report on geopolitical stuff,
(38:10):
a lot of state craft and a lot of things
that would be helpful to multinational corporations. Yeah, and specifically
weapons companies are built into this whole thing and intelligence
and all that. So where can where can you get
the best price uh selling guns and things like that, honestly?
Or where where our markets unstable? And so of course
(38:34):
they would be concerned with these weird reports. I know
what a lot of us are thinking. Did this email
come out on April one? No? Not, first thing I checked. Well,
it was from a website called pack alert press dot com.
And I mean it was a it was a news
story at the time. But here's the thing. The source
(38:58):
that was being like mentioned in this email that was
center found within this leak. That's really what we're talking
about here. The person that wrote the article or at
least provided the information for the article. Yeah, there's another
conspiracy here. This is uh. This is an author or
(39:18):
propagandists or group of authors or a group of propagandists
going by the handle sort of Fall, which sounds like
a cool name from Star Wars, it really does. But
they're they're known for putting out this this kind of
bogus Again, it's propaganda or just disinformation or just headlining
or grabbing headlines that are completely false or at least
(39:41):
based on this tiny little morsel of truth, and then
just nothing. Okay, so I'm with you, but question, to
what end does this story of some strange vortex over
the Gulf of Aiden help or hinder Russian operations it
really is if it really is some sort of propaganda,
(40:02):
I mean, have you read the It's essentially lore at
this point, right, So I guess the best way to
say it is, do we all remember the film Stargate, Yes,
oh yeah, yeah, all right, so the Stargate. Uh, the
the villain is also the love interest in the Crying Game, correct,
(40:23):
right a, so so Stargate. The gist of Stargate is
that ancient civilization was founded by extraterrestrials who possess a
gate that lets one travel through time and space in
an unorthodox, much more efficient manner, a stargate, if you will.
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And for some people have looked into the Gulf of Aiden.
What's actually happening, in their interpretation is that the US
has found or created or resurrected some sort of thing
like this, some sort of passage to other dimensions or
too distant places in time and space several like this
(41:05):
is very closely related to the idea that the US
invaded Iraq to find a stargate. Did you ever hear
that one? Yeah? I loved that. I loved that theory.
That was so much fun. Again for me, these are
so exciting and I don't know, they reawakened the kid
in me that watched the X Files, you know, before
(41:25):
going to bed, and then had glorious dreams and nightmares
about the monsters that you could find within or the
aliens and what they would actually be like. Um but unfortunately,
in my mind, to my mind, that's what this is,
because we're still talking about seismic activity that occurred in
a place that is a seven hour airplane ride from
(41:47):
this other place that allegedly maybe had something weird going
on with the vortex that some propaganda's ferred about. Okay, yes,
totally true. Also, I think I'm pretty biased here. I'm
just gonna say I've never been to the Gulf of Aiden. Okay, same, Yeah, alright,
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that's what they get up to around there, that's fair.
It might be star gates all day. Man. It might
be like a mall that is also a stargate so
that you can get I would picture the star gate
would be sort of in the center where Santa Claus
usually sits, so you have to wait in line to stargate. Yeah,
either that or like an anchor store. You know. It's
(42:32):
I think you're right, man, it's basically wherever they put
the Santa that's where they put the star. And to
be further fair, I think it's safe to say that
all of us are just holding our breaths until the
ancient ancient ones come back, right, I personally will welcome
them with open arms. Yeah, and pledge my allegiance to
them instantly. Oh yeah, I mean you'll only exist for
(42:52):
a few seconds, but those seconds will just be not
if I pledge my allegiance quickly enough. You think, so, yeah,
you gotta know the customs man all right, Like what
what is considered pledging allegiance? You know what if they
communicate by smell and the first person to just rip
an obnoxious fart becomes like they're yeah, they're human liaison,
(43:15):
like Lepetal Mount, the professional French flagile. These are all
very important things to consider. These are all very we
want you all to go into this prepared. Uh. It's
true though this this stargate theory sounds wild. The Gulf
of Aiden isn't really that close. But there is that
(43:35):
report from Wiki leaks, And even though the Stratford people
themselves seem pretty I don't know, dismissive of it, Maybe
they they're they're probably dismissive because they couldn't find any
other source to confirm it, right, or they couldn't find
any source that existed independently. It all ultimately goes back
(43:56):
to this Russian report, and still it doesn't explain this earthquake,
this series of earthquakes, this thing, this low key rumble
that is not supposed to happen this way with a
weird metronomic clicks. It's kind of like the bloop, remember that, Yeah,
unexplained noise that I think ultimately people no one conclusively
(44:21):
solved it, but people did seem to think overwhelmingly there
was the sound of ice moving in a in a glacier, right, Yeah,
but I don't believe that for a second. You think
it was You think it was an eldritch something. So
at this point in time, it looks like the most
(44:42):
plausible explanation for the strange global shiver. Let's call it
is the underwater drainage of a massive amount of magma.
And reading the descriptions of this, I don't know about
you guys, but it made me think of when people
talk about popping or draining a ZiT or something. You
know what I mean? Is this uh earth and earth
(45:05):
ZiT like under the skin? What's it called if it's
under the skin and it hasn't popped yet, subdermal something? Okay,
I don't know there's a name for Yeah, No, it's
not that No, not a doctor. But that's so. So
it looks like this may have a mundane explanation, but
that's not a guaranteed cause. And at this point, as
(45:27):
we record this episode, we still don't understand how this
happened the way it did. And that's very, very important
because you know what happens when there's a lack of
transparency and a lack of clarity. Colin Rittman comes along
and he's like, he needs more time. It needs more
time to finish that video game. All the crappy guys.
You know, a ZiT under the skin is called what
(45:49):
it's called an underground pimple, an underground Well, we've solved
that mystery conclusively and think, you know, in the case
of the global seismic event, Until it can be proven
that there is a definitive answer to this mystery, questions
are going to remain and frene researchers will continue asking
(46:13):
whether this is just an oddly well organized earthquake that
has a great sense of rhythm, or if it's evidence
of something else, something they don't want you to know.
But I don't know, man, what do you think I
wanted to be a starry Gate. But I'm pretty sure
it's magma. I'm pretty sure it's an undergrounds it. Yeah,
it's it's for me. Is that one piece of the puzzle,
(46:35):
that the rhythmic nature of of the one the one
set of frequencies and they're just making that weird little monochromatic?
I think mono chromatic? Wait, mono chron chronomic? What does that?
How does that work? Is it? In terms of sound monifonic? No?
(46:58):
I mean monif just means one voice of time. It doesn't.
That only happens as a single instance, not stacked like
chords or whatever. You know. Monophon just means a single
tone that only mono symphon sounds at its on its own,
because it's never like joined by other sounds. But it's weird, right,
This thing is weird. It's doesn't sound the way an
(47:19):
earthquake is supposed to sound, and it doesn't move like
one either. It's not cool, not cool at all. I
think it's super cool, man. I think it's probably just packs,
you know, p a X hanging out down there, K packs, No,
just packs. It's a demon, Pacman, It's a demon the
you're supposed to worship. Pacman's a demon. Um, yeah, yeah,
program and control man have you seen that? Have you?
(47:40):
Have you guys seen yeah? Man, conspiracy realist, let us
know what she thought of that. He escapes one he
escapes out the maze one way, only to come in
on the other side. Man, that's a good one. That's
a good voice of that kid. And I forget his name,
but he's excellent that movie Singing Later. He's also in. Yes.
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are here that makes this stuff they don't want you
to know. A groundbreaking episode in a number of ways,
(00:44):
earth chattering perhaps. Yeah, it's our first it's our first
time getting back together after the UH in the new year,
after the relatively arbitrary end of December. I mean, just
as me going out of my way to be disrespectful
to the Gregorian calendar system. You can, yeah, which is
(01:05):
a man made thing. It is that we've discussed on
the show. Say it's it's the anniversary of our obsession
with arbitrary time. Yeah, I think Hallmark is going to
put some cards out to just say that, right. But yeah,
you can almost breathe now, by the way, I went
out outside like last night, the night before and you
(01:26):
just can not breathe because of all the leftover smoke
and stuff that's in the air, and it's weird because
overnight everything outside looks like Blade Runner. Now it's crazy,
just switched really like that meme that was making the
rounds in December reminding everyone to dress and Blade Runner
appropriate clothing. So unlike Blade Runner and unlike the Gregorian calendar,
(01:51):
earthquakes like that segue are a natural phenomenon. We didn't
make those up. They've just been around. It's kind of
like I don't know if we talked about on the
show before, but do you ever no, I know you
hate birds, but I walk around sometimes in these our
modern days and think, you know, have we as humans
(02:13):
really figured out things of significance. I mean, sure, we
can put stuff into space, but birds can still fly
around and on anyone whenever they want to, because you
only have an umbrella if it's raining, and we also
can't do much about that. Earthquakes are kind of like that.
They're kind of like, uh, Mother Nature's way of reminding
(02:36):
you that you can get you upon at any given point,
you know, unless you're on the moon or something. But
earthquakes have been around. They've been terrorizing humanity since before
the Dawn of recorded history. Right, And it comes about
because the planet appears to be a stable surface. We
even have cliches about it, figures of speech, like a
(02:59):
raw right, the old Chevy campaign. Yes, And and the
thing is that this is misleading because the planet, as
I'm sure many of us know, is not a stable surface,
not remotely. It may look like it's a stable surface,
kind of the way that everyone looks like they might
be cool and chill on the first date, But then
(03:22):
once you get into the layers, you see this is
a complex network of interacting catastrophic traumatic forces. Am I
saying that? Am I comparing dates to earthquakes? Maybe? I
don't know twenty nineteen. We're all figuring it out today.
Certainly both have the potential for some bumping and grinding.
Hey there we go. Good save. And it's weird when
(03:42):
you think about how strange and upsetting these things have been. Um,
have you guys ever been in an earthquake? Do we
talk about this on the air before? There was apparently
one that everyone felt here in Atlanta. The other a
couple of weeks ago, but I slept right through it.
It was in the night. My kid woke up and
told me she had a dream about an earthquake, which
is kind of weird. Oh so maybe she made it
happen with her dreammind super EmPATH over there. I've never
(04:05):
been in one, but I was in San Francisco recently
and we went over the Bay Bridge and on the radio,
as we're going over this huge bridge, they're discussing how
it was the anniversary it was in October of this
massive earthquake in I think that actually flattened part of
that bridge, like while people were driving underneath it. It
(04:26):
was really really horrifuny to think about. Yeah, I've never
been in a major earthquake, which I guess, I guess,
go me, but it's a U But I have been.
When I was living abroad, earthquakes were more common than
they are here in Atlanta, Georgia, and I was I
(04:46):
was freaked out. It was just eating breakfast with a
host family and then everything just sort of jiggles that
I'm shaking the table. Everyone everything jiggles just just for
a little bit. Nobody else loses a skips a b right,
it loses a step. Yeah, And what was the was
the structure really sound that you were in? It was
just a small one. It was just a little little shiver,
(05:09):
little Central American shiver in the soil. And then they
explained to me that that wasn't anything to get excited about.
That probably wouldn't even make a decent landslide, and the
idea that was read it as a decent landslide. It's
also strange, but these things have been around, and we'll
talk about how people win the dark lottery that is
(05:29):
an earthquake. But this might surprise some of us to
learn that although these things have been around forever, were
much longer than people, we as a species didn't really
start understanding what causes them until maybe like maybe a
century ago we started. And it's true, way back in
the thirteen hundreds and other periods of time, uh, there
(05:51):
were inventors who had figured out ways to detect earthquakes right,
detect seismic disturbance, but we didn't really understand why it happened,
much less were we capable of developing technology to measure
the magnitude in a significant way. And today's episode is
about the latest unexplained seismic events because spoiler alert, we
(06:15):
still don't know near as much as we thought we
knew about earthquakes, and Matt, this is something that you
hipped us to off the air. Recently, there was a
global wave of earthquakes that somehow rang the Earth like
a bell? Right, what was it? What was that? Even? Mean?
I mean, I guess, first things first, if we want
to figure out what happened recently, we have to understand
(06:38):
what an earthquake is. And luckily we are affiliated with
a website called how Stuff Works yea, and that writes
articles about these kinds of things. We also remembering a
lot of this from our physical science classes. That's right,
That's right, Noel is going off solely physical science from
what is that Hotton Mifflin. Is that the they put
(07:01):
out the text book. I'm pretty sure it may have
been a different company, but I know they did a
lot of them. Rings true, just like the Earth was
uh not long ago. So technically, an earthquake is just
that it's a vibration that travels through the Earth's Earth's crust,
that that thing that we walk around on every day
and pretend like it's completely stable and everything's okay. And
(07:24):
and like we've kind of discussed, earthquakes can be caused
by all kinds of different things everything from if a
meteor happens to travel, you know, into the Earth's atmosphere
and then impact with the Earth's Earth's crust, you will
get a nice earthquake that will also end a lot
of lives, probably if not in the entire human species.
They can also be caused by volcanic eruptions that are
(07:45):
occurring beneath the crust and sometimes as a part of
the crust. And it can also sometimes be made by
man made things, you know, mind collapses, underground nuclear tests,
which is a topic that we've discussed before. There's a
lot of technology trying to get the fracking, and fracking
that's the big one. Even saying it sounds like it's
(08:06):
a bad thing, it really does. Oh but here's the thing.
Most naturally occurring earthquakes are caused by this, uh, the
Earth's crust itself, when there are these moving pieces of
the Earth's crust called tectonic plates. Now there's really getting
back to that physical science class. I confirmed that Toton
Mifflin didn't make physical science books so good. They're still
(08:28):
in print new editions every year. It's a racket. It's beautiful,
it's not. It's it's awful. McMillan's used. That's true. McMillan's also,
But don't you remember like the whole idea like this,
the textbook racket. How it's like, you know, you have
to buy it from this exactly. Come of they got
a monopoly on them. Oh no, that's a whole episode
probably that we should do. I think you're right late,
(08:51):
so plates, yeah, uh, let's let's just keep going. Scientists
didn't come up with any real solid theory that explained
exactly what an earthquake was or what caused it until
the mid nineteen sixties, and they call this theory plate
tech tonics. There you go. So here's the gist. Earth
has a crust, which you mentioned earlier, Matt, and people
(09:12):
who want to sound authoritative or accurate will call it
the lithosphere. You hear it, smart people, usually because they're seismologist,
you know what I mean, And they probably think crust
is for cake. I don't know if you're a seismologist,
right in, Uh, this crust is not a single seamless shell. Instead,
it is composed of layers of plates and these things.
(09:35):
Every day they're sort of bumping into each other while
they float on this lubricant layer called the esthenosphere, and
all the hi jinks seismically speaking, in the world on
the planet happens at the boundaries of these plates, sort
of the way, since I'm just doing terrible comparisons for apparently,
(09:58):
sort of the way that i'll lot of the really
crazy stuff that happens in many countries happens at the
border towns, you know what I mean. That's and these
hijinks take a number of forms, so we don't want
to get too into the weeds here, but just so
you have the gist. First, there's something called the divergent
plate boundary. Plates might move apart, allowing magma and cave
(10:18):
molten rock to reach the surface as lava, and this stuff,
once it reaches the surface, cools and adds to the crust,
essentially functioning the way that cult functions, filling in the
space between tiles. If you've ever you know, if you've
ever laid tiles somewhere, yes, And then there are convergent
plate boundaries, which is pretty much the exact opposite of that,
(10:40):
where at the boundary of two plates they are kind
of squishing together, and that's when you can get mountains
formed where a lot of volcanic activity occur as that
kind of thing. Um, it's literally pushing up volcanoes too, right, yeah,
and and also sometimes pushing down like it's kind of weird.
They just they've you can imagine all the different things
it that to a very strong and heavy things do
(11:04):
when they push against each other, the very system forces. Yeah,
they can subduct, right, and that creates mountains for our
purposes today. The next category is the most important. It's
where two plates sort of slide by one another, like
two ships in the night order, two trucks on an interstate,
just side swiping each other. They very slowly, and that
(11:29):
is what is known as a transform boundary, where energy
builds up in the region between the two plates, and
that forms a fault line um or a break in
the earth crust where blocks of crust are moving in
different directions. And I'm already picturing the beautifully color coded
image from that physical science book where it has big
fat arrows going in either direction and the plate pieces
(11:51):
one in purple and one and like red, kind of
overlapping each other and like grinding against each other in
different directions, and that's what creates that fault in a
weird way. This one is the scariest to me for
some reason, and I don't know why. I think it
should be the one where the plates are actually moving
away from each other, because that's in my head, when
you get the lava coming out, when you get the
whole opening up with a fissure or something. But this
(12:13):
these two, if you've ever seen the images in I
believe it was in Japan during the the last major
tsunami that occurred there where you can actually see parts
of the street that are doing this movement, like moving
in parallel next to each other, that for some reason
terrifies me. Yeah, we're talking about fault lines, right, and
(12:37):
the majority of earthquakes, not all, but the majority happen
along these transform boundary fault lines. And there are some
there are different types of fault lines, there are different
types of seismic waves. But again, this is just the gist.
This is just what we need to know. That's that's
how an earthquake works. So how many quakes are we
(12:58):
talking is where it starts to get pretty interesting, because
the U S Geological Survey estimates that there are as
many as one point three million quakes with a magnitude
greater than two point o on the Richter scale. That's
the threshold at which humans can feel the vibrations. Stuff
less than that might really freak out your household pet,
(13:20):
you know what I mean. But this two point oh
is where you get to the legit people's spider sense
goes off for it. And there are one three million
of them, which is pretty nuts, right I did. I
guess because we only hear about the real, the real
terrible ones on the news that we we have a
(13:40):
lot of these pass without ever you know, registering on
our radar, so to speak. So in general, the majority
of earthquakes are not going to be particularly powerful. They're
also not going to last for very long at all,
even the catastrophic ones. Strong ground shaking during a moderate
or large earthquake last maybe thirty seconds, ten to thirty seconds.
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And then after that, after you you know, you shake
up one part of the of the earth, other parts
around it start to shake as well. So then you
can have timblers, and you can have aftershocks and things
like that, and most of these things, these aftershocks can
happen for like weeks or months later, but you probably
still won't notice them. Because again, most earthquakes are not
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very powerful, and many, many, many of them occur in
the middle of nowhere. I always stop the word timbler.
Sounded like a cute like diminutive earthquake, but apparently they
can be quite catastrophic as well. What is it that
is true? Timbler? Timbler? You know, it sounds like an
app just sounds cute, but no, it's a big deal.
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And like you said, Ben, it's gets a chain reaction
and it all depends on the magnitude of the first one.
I guess as to how bad the aftershock and the
other things that it causes later will be. Yeah, and
we are enormously fortunate too that as earthquakes are so
very small, and it's this brutal lottery. You know, in
case of the rare quake capable of touching a population center,
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it can destroy the city in minutes, just like you
were talking about Matt with the with the um road
moving in different directions, things that should be solid appearing
fluid for even a moment's time. You know, these things
can rereak enormous amounts of property damage and more importantly,
they can claim thousands of lives and we have some
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statistics about that as well. I think, oh yeah, over
the last decade alone, earthquakes and then the tsunami's avalanches,
landslides that follow because of these earthquakes, they've killed over
six hundred and eighty eight thousand people around the world.
That that's insane over the course of ten years. And
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um arguably the most lethal quake in history had a
magnitude of eight point zero And this one occurred quite
a long time ago in in China and the Shanxi
province in fifteen fifty six. And you can imagine the
structural engineering has come a long way since fifteen fifty six. UM.
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And just the devastation that occurred when that eight point
oh struck that that city, it was close to a
million people. Yeah, we're killed. Yeah, that's that's I mean,
I just can't can't imagine and one fell swoop and
they didn't expect it to, you know what I mean.
And it was the earth itself attacking in a way.
That's a poetic way to put it. And it's interesting, Matt,
like you mentioned San Francisco, and especially in places that
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are more prone to earthquakes, they build out their infrastructure
with that in mind, like houses on stilts and things
of that nature, and that's probably not something they would
have even considered it this time, right, this, this is
about several hundred years after they built maybe the first
early earthquake detector, which looks really cool. It's un It's
(16:58):
the way that it works is if certain parts of
the world shake, then these balls rolled down into this
dragon's mouth and it points in whatever cardinal direction that
the catastrophe occurred. But they didn't know how to build
something that would would stand at act of the heavens, right,
and the survivors adapted as best they could. There was
one scholar who survived the quake and later provided us
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what may very well be the first earthquake preparedness advice
in history. He said, at the very beginning of the earthquake,
people indoors should not go out immediately, just crouched down
and wait for chances. Even if the nest is collapsed,
some eggs in it may still be kept intact. Yikes.
I means it's eloquent, but it's also frightening, you know. Yeah,
(17:46):
and its counterintuitive as well. And again I've never experienced
it personally, but my first instinct would be get out
into like open land where there's nothing fall on you.
But then you have to imagine trees and all the
other buildings, and especially if you're in a city, just
all the things that could be falling on you and
debris and the ground opening up beneath you, yea or landslides, mudslides, right,
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So that's that's the science and those are the stakes.
So let's fast forward to the morning of November eleven.
Universal time quick note for everyone. Universal time or UT
is the modern version of Greenwich meantime. So Universal time
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AM would be four thirty am here on the east
coast of the North American continent. So these seismic waves
begin roughly fifteen miles off the shore of Mayote. This
is a French island that's kind of sandwiched between Africa
and the northern tip of Madagascar. You can look it up.
It's cool looking little place. The waves just started buzzing
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across Africa and there it started ringing sensors all across
the earth. In Zambia, at least in this area, Kenya, Ethiopia.
They traversed across the oceans. They were humming all the
way over to Chile, all the way to New Zealand,
to Canada, even Hawaii nearly eleven thousand miles away. So
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just this one tiny place on Earth just starts. Well,
that's a really good sound effect of a gurgle. But
here's the thing. Unlike the earthquakes that we've talked about,
with these waves you can feel. And again the waves
versus what you can feel can be slightly different depending
on the frequency. But they didn't just you know, ding
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or and go by. It lasted for over twenty minutes.
Twenty minutes of this And here's the thing. Not only
was no one hurt by this event, or no one
hurt during this event, no one knew it happened, at
least that is until the Loan Twitter user noticed the
ODDS signal on the u S Geological Surveys real time
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seis mcgrandm displays and this set off another chain of events.
All right, Seismologists around the world tried to figure out
why this quake was so unusual and how it happened.
So what did they find? We will tell you after
a word from our sponsor. Years where it gets crazy,
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No one knows. Yeah, still right now, nobody, no nobody
knows what happened. So this this occurred on November eleven,
again November eleven, and as of right now, we're in
I guess that's not that far off a runway, but
we don't. We still don't know what happened. And we've
been studying these earthquakes for a while. We have very
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sensitive equipment across the globe. Like we said, it was
noticed in all these different places, but we're still in
the dark. So yeah, one of the reasons we're in
the dark is that this quake is unusual, as several
strange attribeuse. Not only did it last for a cartoonishly
long amount of time, it also did not behave like
any other known quake. In a normal earthquake, these built
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up tensions again along that transform boundary, right, these built
up tensions in the lithosphere release with a jolt in
seconds just and this sends out a series of other
smaller pops, a series of waves known as a wave train,
which it sounds like something way more cool, doesn't it.
(21:31):
Um A wave train is not this awesome car and
an Amtrak line. It's it's the series of seismic waves
that radiate out from the point of wherever this rupture
occurs like ripples in water, like ripples of water. That's excellent. Yeah,
And we have descriptions from seismologists like Stephen Hicks at
the University of Southampton who he breaks down the order
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in which these waves occur. So, the fastest traveling signals
are the ones called they're called the primary waves, and uh,
the the seismologists call them the P waves, I know.
But they move in bunches like what happens to an
extended slinky when you suddenly push it at one end. Yes,
you can see that wave occur and then there you know,
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the wave chain continues. Yet then you get secondary waves
or S waves, and these have more of a side
to side motion. Um. And both these two, the primary
and the S waves, have relatively high frequencies, and Hicks
describes them as a sort of ping rather than a rumbling.
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And after that then you have these slow, kind of
longer period surface waves that show up. And these are
the ones that most closely resemble the signals from Mayott. Yeah,
which is weird because there's no big earthquake, right, They're
supposed to come third in line. Yeah, here they are
again just sort of happening a little irritating to science us. Right, well, yeah,
(23:00):
because you can just get these service ways all of
a sudden, and what the hell is happening here? Guys?
Anyone go on Twitter, Hey, what's this? And then just
a Twitter storm occurred? Right, exactly what the hell is
going on? Is there no order to this chaotic and uncaring,
inexplicable universe? Right, Seismologists weren't grappling with um philosophical countries
(23:26):
of that nature they were. They were more focused on
figuring out why this thing is happening? Right, and now
we're at the point where there are several theories, some
that are more plausible than others, and we can we
can walk through some of these. They get increasingly exciting.
One what about a meteor What if it? What if
(23:47):
a meteorite somehow caused earthquakes? Initially, scientists searched the region
around this this island to see whether there was any
evidence that a non terrestrial object could be the culprit
behind the quake. So far, no one has found any
compelling proof. So this theory, while it has some sand
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to it, can be safely dismissed. And I guess in
a way this could make sense. I guess to someone
theorizing about it, because you don't have those the those
P and S waves that are associated with that quick jolt, right,
that's why this one was thought to be possible. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah,
good point, just because I guess if you had the
(24:27):
surface waves of or the surface and literally the surface
of the water being impacted without that deep cracking, I
I guess that makes sense. That makes sense to me.
Not that, yes, not that they said, what if it
were not an act of nature and it's random, you know,
(24:49):
infinite monkeys type on infinite typewriter's sort of scenario. What
if somehow human beings are responsible? Yeah? Um, but here's
the thing. Scientists tend to want to take care to
not accidentally veer into bananas conspiracy theory territory. But um,
the way these waves behaved, the regularity of them was
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quite extraordinary, quite remarkable. So you see that long low
frequency grumble is kind of punctuated by a series of
high frequency blips signals. It turns out that have very
regular intervals like this often tend to be artificially generated.
That's just how it is. And yeah, as you're reading
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about this event, because you can find it in places
from Gizmoto to Big Think. They are they discuss how
these tiny little pings occurred, and as as an Alma
was saying, like clockwork, they's just if you're looking at
the wave form, it's it would literally be as though
someone is playing an instrument or hitting something, or a
(25:59):
mechanical to vice is triggering at an exact time. It's
so weird and it's spooky. This is kind of a
matter of interpretation, but it is. It feels way more
plausible or way more probable, rather that this is somehow
man made. When you hear it, yes, you know what
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I mean. It sounds similar to machinery in terms of
the intervals. But but our species has been fooled before, right,
we have we First we have to admit we have
found no evidence of heavy industry in the area, at
least nothing that people know of so far. Right, and
to be fair, we have encountered other natural processes and
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phenomenon objects that have the appearance of regularity. When pulsars
came out in the we're discovered. I guess it's a
better way to say. When pulsars were discovered in the
nineteen sixties, people were convinced they were generated by intelligent
life hands down, and even look at in a pulsar.
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Now it's like, okay, really, you're gonna you're gonna make
that light exactly that many times at that rate. Okay, cool,
because pulsars, you know, rapidly rotate and they have this
kind of lighthouse appearance and the flashes seem to be
on a regular calculated um frequency right or interval. So
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the original source of pulsars, when it's discovered, they were
called l g m s, which stood for little Green Men.
So we've been full before. This still could be some
This still could be a natural phenomenon rather than you know,
a large scale fracking or something. So there's no evidence
of something man made that's large enough to produce this
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kind of global event that we know about that we
know about, that's correct. So what if we look more
closely under the water and for that we go to
the French Geological survey or the b r g M
and UH it's closely monitoring the recent shaking and it
suggests that there's a new center of volcanic activity that
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may be developing off the coast of Mayot. Because Mayote
was formed from from volcanism or volcanoes volcanic activity, but
the volcanoes in this area have had just they haven't
erupted in over four thousand years. So basically the thinking was, well,
perhaps that's not the first go to just because it's
(28:32):
been dormant for so long. But the b r g M,
again the French Geological Surveys analysis, it suggests that this
new activity may point to uh magmatic movement off shore.
And we're talking We're not talking like take a few steps.
We're talking miles from the coast under thousands of feet
of water. Yeah. I have to interject because this is
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one of them. I proposed this be the word of
the day episode that was Some people may have thought
that you were mispronouncing magnetic, but you're not. Oh you're
saying magmatic. Magnetic. What a great word, Yeah, buddy, magmatic.
And I like vulcanism too, volcanism magmatic. Yeah. I think
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that the reason a lot of people get into the
science of this stuff is because the names are so cool.
It's fun to say. Yeah. Man, So if this is
the case, then here's my question. First of all, um,
if they have interrupted four thousand years, doesn't that mean
they're due for an eruption, guys. I mean, and you
think they could predict it, they could see if there
was something. Where's all the lava? Right, yeah, exactly where's
(29:41):
the lava? And if you think about some of the
things we've discussed in a slightly different capacity, but with um,
what the hell am I thinking here? The the supervolcano
in the middle of the United Yes, and you think
about that when you're talking about the interval of time
to all where it's been so long we're just waiting
(30:01):
for it to occur. But also it's the margin of
error here is in terms of geologic geological time. So
we're a we are but a blip, we are a
we are an awkward thought in the very fleeting ephemera
of Earth's mind. So this is when we see another proposal.
And so folks at the E. N. S University in
(30:23):
Paris say, hey, maybe it's not a meteor. Maybe there's
magma draining from a site somewhere and it's caused and
it's magma draining from a subterranean reservoir and when the
magma is moving, the reservoirs collapsing, and this is causing quakes,
and they looked at the GPS data and from that
(30:46):
they said, Okay, we think this kind of thing might
happen if point three cubic miles of magma all moved
at once, or they said, possibly monsters the Eldridge dead
and dreaming beast from the darkness between the stars, slumbering
until the constellations reach a predetermined position. Not getting scientists
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did propose that multiple people. Actually they did some kind
of Eldrich beast. I'm pretty sure they were joking, But
you know, what would the show be if we don't
include that part? Yeah, yep. And speaking of the weird
out there stuff, we did save the best theory. I'm sorry,
(31:30):
I can't speak for everyone in my opinion the best theory.
Oh no, no, I'm right there with you, Benny. We
saved the best one? Then? Were you're unanimous on this?
Who saved the best one? For last? Learn all about
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Back in two thousand thirteen, Wiki Leaks released an article
alleging that a mysterious vortex opened over the Gulf of Aiden,
just off the Horn of Africa which created catastrophic weather
in the early two thousands. So like like a portal,
(32:15):
just like a portal, but a vortex. Yeah, but this
is what we're talking WikiLeaks, right, Yeah, WikiLeaks did release this.
It was according to a report allegedly prepared by an
Admiral Maximov of Russia's Northern Fleet for Vladimir Putin. What
they said was in late two thousands, the specific year
(32:35):
two thousand, there was a magnetic vortex that was discovered
in this area that you just described, that in the
Gulf of Aden. And according to the story, Russia, the
People's Republic of China, and the USA joined together, cast
aside their paltry human differences to study what was what
this vortex was, and they discovered that it defied logic
(32:58):
and the laws of physics. This sent the world the
conspiracy sphere, uh, kind of like the lithosphere, I guess
on fire. And with the recent reports of odd events
near mayottes More, theorists are resurrecting this story, and who
can blame them? It's a great story, do do. The
cover story from the governments was that all of these
(33:19):
navies were joining forces to combat Somali pirates. That's true. Yeah,
that's true, which is strange when you think about how
much firepower that would be, you know what I mean, Yeah,
to fight a vortex or whatever was going to emerge
from the vortex. And that's yeah, you've stumbled, you've stumbled
on it. So people have also connected this with something
(33:40):
called the Norway spiral or war Way vortex. Uh, and
people started, um, I guess pretty quickly people began bringing
aliens into the picture, right, because why else would these
geopolitical adversaries or at best freenemies cooperate. Yeah, there's an
alleged connection to Jupiter, which is which is fun about
(34:04):
one of the large storms that's on Jupiter and the
vortex showing up when the storm on Jupiter was re emerging. Um.
I could not correlate those two things together just in
my own independent research, but it's it's been discussed about this. Yeah.
And there are other um earthquake related things too, so
(34:26):
we know some of these things are true. Weather manipulation
is a real thing that occurs. China regularly practices this.
Other countries have certainly dabbled with it. The US engaged
in weather manipulation during the Vietnam War, For some people
who believe this vortex exists, the world powers or cooperating
(34:49):
to combat weather related shenanigans. But the people who spice
this up with claims of extraterrestrial or even interdimensional contact
h alleged that world governments in secret have been able
to contact or confront something not of this world. Yeah.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, we
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probably didn't confront something from out of this world because
we would be squashed like a bug. I don't know,
man front I get fronted, you know, Yeah, do you have?
But we're just mostly throwing iron and different metals that
are just propelled at high speed at these things. True,
we don't have any really cool stuff yet. Explosives, I
guess are well. I mean, if you detonated a nuclear weapon,
(35:33):
you would it's kind of cutting off your nose despite
your face, you know what I mean. You'd find a
seismic activity, some seismic activity though. That is true. That
is true, and you will find reports that say forty
one earthquake or thirty five earthquakes occurred in a twenty
four hour period in the Gulf of Aiden, and also
a ton of military vessels and commercial vessels are in
(35:58):
the Gulf of Aiden. It's it's a huge shipping lane
for the world, you know what I mean. But yes,
but there's also one major problem, right, what's that the
location location location? That is okay, yes, yes, that is true.
So the Gulf of Aiden is a seven hour plane
flight away from Mayo. So while it could be considered
(36:21):
sort of in the region, it's not nearby. You don't
pop over to the Gulf of Aiden to you know,
pick up milk. I don't know, well, you know, unless
you're in some kind of vessel that is interdimensional in
nature or can travel faster than light, or even just
travel extremely extremely fast and travel underwater. Um, maybe you
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could get there really quickly. Yeah, what is really happening
at the Gulf of Aiden? And where did these reports
come from? So wiki leaks has been associated with legitimate stuff.
The way they lease it may have some sort of angle, right,
but what what they just I guess a better way
(37:06):
to say it is Wiki leaks definitely has its own agenda,
and they do. They do display editorial bias in the
way that they release certain things and hold other ones
in confidence. But usually when they were at leased stuff
it's true or it's written in what it's written by
someone who believes it to be true. Right, Yeah, and
(37:27):
and it was this is part of a strap for
email at least a leak that came from the global
intelligence files. Okay, this has occurred in two thousand twelve February.
That's when this specific email was was released with with
the subject huh mysterious vortex warned it's creating warned is
(37:50):
creating global weather catastrophe? Yeah. So for context, strap For
is a intelligence platform, were publisher kind of subscription service.
You can also get some free emails from them. That
was founded in Austin, Texas, and they report on geopolitical stuff,
(38:10):
a lot of state craft and a lot of things
that would be helpful to multinational corporations. Yeah, and specifically
weapons companies are built into this whole thing and intelligence
and all that. So where can where can you get
the best price uh selling guns and things like that, honestly?
Or where where our markets unstable? And so of course
(38:34):
they would be concerned with these weird reports. I know
what a lot of us are thinking. Did this email
come out on April one? No? Not, first thing I checked. Well,
it was from a website called pack alert press dot com.
And I mean it was a it was a news
story at the time. But here's the thing. The source
(38:58):
that was being like mentioned in this email that was
center found within this leak. That's really what we're talking
about here. The person that wrote the article or at
least provided the information for the article. Yeah, there's another
conspiracy here. This is uh. This is an author or
(39:18):
propagandists or group of authors or a group of propagandists
going by the handle sort of Fall, which sounds like
a cool name from Star Wars, it really does. But
they're they're known for putting out this this kind of
bogus Again, it's propaganda or just disinformation or just headlining
or grabbing headlines that are completely false or at least
(39:41):
based on this tiny little morsel of truth, and then
just nothing. Okay, so I'm with you, but question, to
what end does this story of some strange vortex over
the Gulf of Aiden help or hinder Russian operations it
really is if it really is some sort of propaganda,
(40:02):
I mean, have you read the It's essentially lore at
this point, right, So I guess the best way to
say it is, do we all remember the film Stargate, Yes,
oh yeah, yeah, all right, so the Stargate. Uh, the
the villain is also the love interest in the Crying Game, correct,
(40:23):
right a, so so Stargate. The gist of Stargate is
that ancient civilization was founded by extraterrestrials who possess a
gate that lets one travel through time and space in
an unorthodox, much more efficient manner, a stargate, if you will.
(40:43):
And for some people have looked into the Gulf of Aiden.
What's actually happening, in their interpretation is that the US
has found or created or resurrected some sort of thing
like this, some sort of passage to other dimensions or
too distant places in time and space several like this
(41:05):
is very closely related to the idea that the US
invaded Iraq to find a stargate. Did you ever hear
that one? Yeah? I loved that. I loved that theory.
That was so much fun. Again for me, these are
so exciting and I don't know, they reawakened the kid
in me that watched the X Files, you know, before
(41:25):
going to bed, and then had glorious dreams and nightmares
about the monsters that you could find within or the
aliens and what they would actually be like. Um but unfortunately,
in my mind, to my mind, that's what this is,
because we're still talking about seismic activity that occurred in
a place that is a seven hour airplane ride from
(41:47):
this other place that allegedly maybe had something weird going
on with the vortex that some propaganda's ferred about. Okay, yes,
totally true. Also, I think I'm pretty biased here. I'm
just gonna say I've never been to the Gulf of Aiden. Okay, same, Yeah, alright,
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that's what they get up to around there, that's fair.
It might be star gates all day. Man. It might
be like a mall that is also a stargate so
that you can get I would picture the star gate
would be sort of in the center where Santa Claus
usually sits, so you have to wait in line to stargate. Yeah,
either that or like an anchor store. You know. It's
(42:32):
I think you're right, man, it's basically wherever they put
the Santa that's where they put the star. And to
be further fair, I think it's safe to say that
all of us are just holding our breaths until the
ancient ancient ones come back, right, I personally will welcome
them with open arms. Yeah, and pledge my allegiance to
them instantly. Oh yeah, I mean you'll only exist for
(42:52):
a few seconds, but those seconds will just be not
if I pledge my allegiance quickly enough. You think, so, yeah,
you gotta know the customs man all right, Like what
what is considered pledging allegiance? You know what if they
communicate by smell and the first person to just rip
an obnoxious fart becomes like they're yeah, they're human liaison,
(43:15):
like Lepetal Mount, the professional French flagile. These are all
very important things to consider. These are all very we
want you all to go into this prepared. Uh. It's
true though this this stargate theory sounds wild. The Gulf
of Aiden isn't really that close. But there is that
(43:35):
report from Wiki leaks, And even though the Stratford people
themselves seem pretty I don't know, dismissive of it, Maybe
they they're they're probably dismissive because they couldn't find any
other source to confirm it, right, or they couldn't find
any source that existed independently. It all ultimately goes back
(43:56):
to this Russian report, and still it doesn't explain this earthquake,
this series of earthquakes, this thing, this low key rumble
that is not supposed to happen this way with a
weird metronomic clicks. It's kind of like the bloop, remember that, Yeah,
unexplained noise that I think ultimately people no one conclusively
(44:21):
solved it, but people did seem to think overwhelmingly there
was the sound of ice moving in a in a glacier, right, Yeah,
but I don't believe that for a second. You think
it was You think it was an eldritch something. So
at this point in time, it looks like the most
(44:42):
plausible explanation for the strange global shiver. Let's call it
is the underwater drainage of a massive amount of magma.
And reading the descriptions of this, I don't know about
you guys, but it made me think of when people
talk about popping or draining a ZiT or something. You
know what I mean? Is this uh earth and earth
(45:05):
ZiT like under the skin? What's it called if it's
under the skin and it hasn't popped yet, subdermal something? Okay,
I don't know there's a name for Yeah, No, it's
not that No, not a doctor. But that's so. So
it looks like this may have a mundane explanation, but
that's not a guaranteed cause. And at this point, as
(45:27):
we record this episode, we still don't understand how this
happened the way it did. And that's very, very important
because you know what happens when there's a lack of
transparency and a lack of clarity. Colin Rittman comes along
and he's like, he needs more time. It needs more
time to finish that video game. All the crappy guys.
You know, a ZiT under the skin is called what
(45:49):
it's called an underground pimple, an underground Well, we've solved
that mystery conclusively and think, you know, in the case
of the global seismic event, Until it can be proven
that there is a definitive answer to this mystery, questions
are going to remain and frene researchers will continue asking
(46:13):
whether this is just an oddly well organized earthquake that
has a great sense of rhythm, or if it's evidence
of something else, something they don't want you to know.
But I don't know, man, what do you think I
wanted to be a starry Gate. But I'm pretty sure
it's magma. I'm pretty sure it's an undergrounds it. Yeah,
it's it's for me. Is that one piece of the puzzle,
(46:35):
that the rhythmic nature of of the one the one
set of frequencies and they're just making that weird little monochromatic?
I think mono chromatic? Wait, mono chron chronomic? What does that?
How does that work? Is it? In terms of sound monifonic? No?
(46:58):
I mean monif just means one voice of time. It doesn't.
That only happens as a single instance, not stacked like
chords or whatever. You know. Monophon just means a single
tone that only mono symphon sounds at its on its own,
because it's never like joined by other sounds. But it's weird, right,
This thing is weird. It's doesn't sound the way an
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earthquake is supposed to sound, and it doesn't move like
one either. It's not cool, not cool at all. I
think it's super cool, man. I think it's probably just packs,
you know, p a X hanging out down there, K packs, No,
just packs. It's a demon, Pacman, It's a demon the
you're supposed to worship. Pacman's a demon. Um, yeah, yeah,
program and control man have you seen that? Have you?
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Have you guys seen yeah? Man, conspiracy realist, let us
know what she thought of that. He escapes one he
escapes out the maze one way, only to come in
on the other side. Man, that's a good one. That's
a good voice of that kid. And I forget his name,
but he's excellent that movie Singing Later. He's also in. Yes.
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