November 26, 2016 • 38 mins
How many secret military bases exist around the world? How many of those are active, and how many abandoned? Join Ben, Matt and Noel as they explore both the specific discovery of Project Iceworm and the larger practice of building top-secret bases around the globe.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
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my name is Matt, my name is no. They call
me Ben. You are you that makes this stuff they
don't want you to know? And as we are, as
we're recording this, it's a little before the US holiday
called Thanksgiving. So when this podcast comes out, hopefully if
you are in the US and you celebrate this sort
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of thing, you will you will be full of trip
to fan the sleepy ingredient in Turkey and taking a
pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky, your family has a
elaborately decked out underground ice bunker where you and enjoy
their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings for such a holiday. Um,
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I see ones right, And Uh, that's that's what they
call foreshadowing in the business. Ladies and gentlemen. Uh. You
may also take a moment, if you will, the day
after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day, which is a
commemoration of the Native American people who were invaded by Europeans. Controversial,
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but that's the nature of this show, and it is factual.
Today we are not talking about Thanksgiving. We are talking
about military bases, government secrecy. And so for those of
us in the audience who like the political stuff, you'll
love this. Uh. And for uh, those of us in
the audience who say, hey, why don't you do more
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paranormal stuff? Thank you for all the awesome emails, tweets
and messages. Doing our best to get more topics like
that on this show. It can be a little bit
of an uphill battle, but hopefully they are more on
the way. We're also ta in a way today about
climate change. The crux of today's topic dwells in the
realm of geopolitics, the murky business of the institutions seeking
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to control the world and the groups of people seeking
to control those institutions. Here here are the facts. Funny
thing about America, right, And of course we've been in
the US. When we say America, we mean the United States.
Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico, totally
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all American. But the thing about the US as seen
by residents of the U S is that, well, maybe
we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel if
how would you feel if a country built a base
on US soil, Like, would it depend on the country,
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you know, would you be more okay with France versus
Saudi Arabia? Where is it? Is it an all um?
Not in my backyard? Yeah? What else is going on
to you politically that necessitates a base on US soil
from another country? I mean, I would hopefully look at
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it in those terms unless it was in extreme close
proximity to where I live and work every day. What
are we talking here, whether there be nuclear payloads involved?
You know, like I said, not in my backyard. Mr.
It's it's strange because the overwhelming majority of US citizens
or even just US residents, overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh,
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demographics can be super varied, old, young, wealthy, poor, various
racial identifications, religious identifications, political allegiances. Almost everybody says a
foreign military base on US soil, well, that's an abomination,
that is an abomination to this country. Yet U s
military base is on other countries soil are seen, as
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you know, essential to the various political buzzwords of our time.
National security, that's the great boogeyman that we've explored in
the past. Just to put out there, I was playing
a character and saying not in my backyard. I was.
I was that guy that has that exact sense that
that you know, of course we need them there, but
don't don't let them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability,
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UM and whatever else like what whatever else? UH people
use to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the
US being sort of the world's police force, right, And
you'll also hear the You'll also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well,
we built that base because people want us there, people
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want the rule of law, if people want the security
of the world's best military, and the US is almost
by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient milit well,
not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most effective
in terms of destruction. But this argument that people want
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foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries want
U S bases on their soil is usually not true
spoiler alert. When they say we want the u S there,
what they what they typically mean is something like the
leaders of the country have hatched to deal with the
leaders of this country to have this thing in um
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adjacent to UH country that the US is hostile toward.
So for instance, South Korea and North Korea, Iran and
every other country surrounding Iran, UH, because the US sure
hates Iran ever since they throughout the supported the U
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S supported dictator. So, as far as we know, the
U S has built the most forign bases in history,
in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights
than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than
commit more than Babylonian society UH at this point there
as of two thousand fifteen, the US has around eight
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hundred more or less publicly known if not officially acknowledged
like open secret basis. And you can learn more about
this in a book called Base Nation, How U S
Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by David Vine. Obviously,
the guy's got a slant, but his numbers are on
point in terms of the number of bases. I don't
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know if I completely agree with his opinion of what
those all those bases are doing. And we're also almost
certain that there are more sites out there that they
remain unacknowledged, and may remain unacknowledged for decades and decades
at least, that is until the ice begins to recede.
And the devils of the Imperial past come calling for
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their do. What are we talking about? You know? And
you said that just then you sounded a lot like
rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Thank you, man
of their best, come calling for the do. Thank you
so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero of mine.
That's good stuff. Thank you? Hey what um? But what
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are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about underground layers.
We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about a US
military base called Camp Century and it's a project. It's
a part of this thing called Project ice Worm, which
was originally started as a way to quote test construction
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techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction technique. So,
how do I make things work from an engineering perspective
when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was
that from the core of engineers and that was their
description of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and
fifty mile US from an existing US base called Tutually
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Air Base, Camp Uh and that is it's also a
hundred and twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland,
right and total the air base is still extend. It's
the US Air Force's northernmost base, and it's a about
seven miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less
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than miles from the North Pole. The physical and not
the magnetic one UM and it's or I should say,
the conceptual one, not the magnetic one UM. So this
this UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings
Global network of sensors. Just to give some just to
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give some context here. And when we say sensors, of course,
I mean the detection of external stimuli. I don't mean
editing the truth. And just to give people a sense
of like the layout of this I mean because when
I first started looking into it, I was picturing some
sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James Bond
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villain Lair style, like we talked about at the beginning
of the show. But what in fact we're talking about
is much more like a traditional military base where you
have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities, you know,
you have a gym um commissary, things like that. So
I'm looking at an aerial view of it and it
kind of just looks like a neighborhood. But but but it's
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not like their roads or anything like that connecting these
these things up. It's tunnels that were board through the
ice right, and we'll we'll take a look at the
construction as well. So at the time, the US discussed
the plans for building Camp Century with Denmark, and they said,
as Matt pointed out, it would be a demonstration of
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affordable ice cat military outposts. They believed Denmark at least
officially believed this would be a way too explore scientific concepts,
so not an active application of things, more a well
this work, what can we do with this? Um Denmark
thought the U s would explore practical problems with a
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semimobile nuclear reactor, like how could we make a movable
nuclear reactor that is stable and supplies enough power to
support as Noel said, a town, a military outpost of
this size and being a base camp for scientific experiments
in the ice cap. And this all was in a
way true. However, what Denmark did not officially know about
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and Noel, what are those what's that quote we use
for air quotes? Officially? Yes? What what Denmark did not
officially know about was Project ice Worm. This was a
proposed system of tunnels that would eventually according to their plans,
be two thousand five dred miles length used to deploy
up to six hundred nuclear missiles that would be able
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to reach the Soviet Union in the case of nuclear war,
which was clear and present danger. The brilliant thing about
this is that the missiles were under Greenland's ice sheets,
so when deployed, if deployed they would happen, they would
launch too close to be detected or prevented in time.
This was also created before the US knew about the
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dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear UH nuclear system which
exists in Russia today, which you can find out about
in our our previous audio podcast. And just in case
they were discovered or compromised somehow, even though Soviet technology,
so far as the West knew, cannot detect these weapons,
the sites would still be changed periodically. We talked about
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the construction of this, so let's get in a little
more detail. There are twenty one trenches and they had
arched roofs uh and then inside of those arches that's
where they put these you know, like prefab buildings. If
you went to a public school in the United States,
then you have probably seen those add on trailers that
happen when, uh, when there are more students than the
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building can house. He used to call them portables when
I was a kid, affordables. I don't know if that's
like a thing that was just in my neck of
the woods, but I remember that, and it happens, especially
if you're around you know, growing population. So these pre
fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops, a theater,
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a church. Of course. The total number of inhabitants that
the highest point was two hundred, and they had a
very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um, nineteen
sixty three, the electricity supply was provided by the world's
first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable A portable exactly. Yeah,
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our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had
we had R. L. Steinbooks a plenty um. It was
referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco,
the company for the US Army. Yeah, and pm t
A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable medium power,
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which is kind of cool. So it was like one
to ten mega watts is how much you could generate. Interesting,
you know, and uh, there's also such a great story
in there which listeners, we we'd love it if you
take time to check this out and maybe we could
do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities.
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Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for
American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the
planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers
and they had to this is such a cool side note.
They had to test it for plague just in case
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something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And
here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile
network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value
of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this
will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three
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times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the
US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it.
They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah,
they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we
when we think about a country like the US is
already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had jurisdiction over Greenland,
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and the US was building a base that was larger
than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know
the of the capital of Greenland, Nuke Beard right under
your nose, man, That's what I know. It's true. I did.
I didn't want to mention that. A lot of sources
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refer to the base itself as more or less a
cover for this more strategic project where they were trying
to you know, really get a foothold, so to speak,
in the ice and like burrow these tunnels in order
to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um. And the
base itself was almost more just like a cover project
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so they could actually do this more you know, kind
of top secret project, right, and also so that I mean,
let'stening of it this this way. Um. At this time,
there are deep cover operatives from both sides of the
Cold War embedded in all sorts of government and private
industry positions, high value stuff. I just I find it
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difficult to believe that the Soviet sources would not somehow
get wind of this. Come on, man, we're building this
to test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah, And I'm
sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with the ionosphere
to see what would happen. Let's spend, let's spend hundreds
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of millions of dollars on projects like this. And I'm
not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here, but
I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan Matt
The it was a cover they wanted to launch complex
to be twenty eight ft below the surface, and then
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the missile launchers themselves even deeper and they would be
in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other.
They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five
years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions
and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because
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that means that once the Soviets side found out about it,
they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't
hit the whole thing at once, and they built a
different kind of or they intended to launch a different
kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage
version and they called it the Iceman, which I think
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is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However,
it didn't last very long because you see the ice
was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly
moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of
the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean.
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And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were
dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming. They're
gonna be uh, you know, as this ice and melting
like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnel. If you've
got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that
poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up.
You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like
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such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not
be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this
time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean,
it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah,
so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. UM.
But the patterns were in place, right and for them
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it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you
cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too
that some of the first ice cores were taken in
that research facility we mentioned at the base UM, which
would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in
the layers of ice in order to kind of see
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the way the planet had developed and what the conditions
were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still used
that that The results from those today. You ever seen
the way they store those like they pull them out
and they they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes,
are than like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment.
That's insane. I wouldn't want to be around it because
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I have this habit of this long standing principle I
don't want to touch things that I can't afford to replace.
So listeners, if you ever meet be in person, ah,
I think the world of you. I love you, death,
love your kid. Don't want to hold it. And what
if plague is in there? Been? And what if plague
is in there? Mat uh in the ice? We mean
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not in your So you're having these potential structural issues
with this moving ice. And by nineteen sixty two, the
ceiling of the reactor room where this portable nuclear reactor
was it dropped and in this the reactor itself had
to be lifted five feet And we're talking, I mean
this thing is well. I know one one component of
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the reactor was like twenty one tons, and I mean,
this is a massive undertaking just to move this thing,
and that poses a problem. But then then they realized
within three years the the ice core samples started showing
evidence that the glaciers was moving actually faster than they
had anticipated, and they realized this ice is going to
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destroy the tunnels and all of these planned launch stations
in like two years. We're talking two years from now.
Everything is destroyed that we want to make. So they
decided to you know, cut their losses and they evacuated
the place in nineteen sixty five. A little bit after that,
the nuclear generator itself was removed, and they canceled Project
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ice Worm altogether, at least officially, and Camp Century closed
in nineteen sixty six, and decades would pass before anyone
else learned about this. UH in Denmark and the US
had beef over previously classified UH set of of dicments
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information regarding the n B fifty two crash at the
Toil Air Base, and because of that disagreement, the public
learned and Denmark officially learned of Project ice Worm. However,
when we say the public learned, often what we're what
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we're saying is that it was no longer classified or
it was technically on paper available. So while it was
publicly available, it was highly unlikely that someone would use
this information or or even be aware of it. Right
so much it changed, however, in scientists concluded that the
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portion of the ice sheet covering Camp Century is most
likely going to melt away. We would have never learned
about this thing, the secret military base, unless it was
already inevitable that this would be exposed. And when it
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is exposed, we're talking about some very dangerous possibilities. That's right.
Remember that nuclear generator, Well, that thing was pumping out
hazardous materials, as you know, as it was creating power.
That's just how it functions. So when they left, there's
still at the site roughly two liters of diesel fuel,
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roughly the same amount of wastewater from the generator. There's
all kinds of radioactive coolant that's still there that that
nobody even knows how much is still there, and like PCBs,
other kinds of organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I
don't know if I ever told you guys this one.
I used to work for a public radio My beat
was the nuclear plant in the town where I lived
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in Augusta, Georgia, um And also there was a called
the Savannah River Site, which was converted into more of
a research facility where different scientists study the effects of
nuclear waste on the environment. The reason for that is
is that it had been the site of a refinery
was built in the nineteen fifties to refine materials used
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to make nuclear weapons. But when they decommissioned it, they
had just buried all of this waste in these pits
that were aligned with what the equivalent of like a tarp,
you know, like a sheet, and so there were all
these different pits that they had to clean. All these
projects involved cleaning out this waste, and then again the
scientist their study of the effects on you know, uh,
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deer and amphibians and turtles and all this kind of stuff.
Point being is that in these days, the government was
not particularly concerned with doing a real bang up job
at cleaning up their messes. So there's still a lot
of learning that's going on in these days about the
effects of all that stuff, not to you know, cast
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it away and say, oh, they didn't know what they
were doing. But still it's uh irresponsible in some ways. Absolutely,
But you know, their their idea was, oh, the ice
will just it'll just be um preserved forever and no
one will ever be exposed to it, which there is
some truth to that. But as we know, that's that
ice is receding still and who knows what happens if
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it ever, you know, did get exposed. Right between two
thousand three and two thousand and ten, the ice that
covers most of Greenland was melting twice as fast as
during the rest of the twenty century. It's picking up
the pace and you can look at the temperatures as
well to see this. The only good thing currently is
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that in the immediate short term it looks like there
continues to be more and more ice building up on
top of of this site. So in nineteen fifty nine
Camp Century was eight meters below the ice. Uh, then
in nineteen sixty five it was twelve meters below the ice.
Then in this year it stands at thirty five meters
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below the ice. But like Ben said, what's happening here
is the ice. The ice sheet is generated in certain
months or like certain time of the year, then it
melts away and then it comes back a little bit,
and then it receives. So it's this ebb and flow
of ice and the melting is increasing. So there, what
are they thinking been Yeah, yeah, slightly before the end
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of this century. Yeah, that's when all of the ice
will be gone and this stuff is just exposed to
the elements. So is there no uh program or anything
that that's that's interested in cleaning this up or getting
in there and you know, taking care of this in
advance of that happening, or is it just too inaccessible? Well,
Greenland became large independent in nine seventy nine. The government's UM,
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the local government of Greenland, Denmark, and the US are
aware of this. The U s has issued a statement
saying that they are going to work to address any
concerns in mad I see you. I just love that idea.
We're gonna address any concerns. It'll be fine. I see,
I see Matt doing the unhappy grit and headshake. Um,
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you're a man of many grins, and I've learned to
read several of them. I'm not fluent in your language yet,
but I'm picking up what you're putting down. So you
think it's malarkey, Huh, I don't know. I mean, there's
not much money in cleaning up. Yeah, it's not profitable
for anyone. And you know, it seems like we have
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a pretty standard policy in this country when it comes
to that kind of stuff, as who cares, it'll be fine,
We'll deal with that when we deal with it once
it gets really bad. Well, can you can we honestly
expect people who are especially if they're elected. Can we
honestly expect people who are elected for a term of
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four years or two years or even ten years if
that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't come into
play until twenty years, twenty five years. You can't expect
a person with a four year mind to make good
twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it, but
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you can't expect it. And that's that's one of the
problems here, is that we are as a species on
the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite possible
that the first person who will functionally be immortal one
sense or the other is alive today. So this problem
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is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's very
easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once in
his stand up set. You know, forget the kids, forget
the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want I
want my hair spray now or whatever it was. That
that's the point, um, now is the future is now,
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It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then
medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and
a few lottery winners who will get a careful what
you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is
the currently technically you guess you could say the mother
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of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's not
kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But
what we're saying is your odds of living to see
this are higher now than any point ever. And and
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I know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just
chronologically closer. But also you could be born in and white,
possibly live to and not not live in some deluded
state either. You could be cognitively functional. And that's just
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one abandoned base and we only learned about it because
governments are saying, well, people are going to find out eventually. Yeah.
When Google Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well, yes,
we get to talk when the when the glaciers. When
the glaciers melt starts changing colors, the fish start floating,
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belly up again and more. Uh huh. Then eventually, as
we said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for
his due. And now in sten towards the very end
of the year, the US is likely making more military
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bases than it is closing. Many countries are involved in this,
mostly superpowers and outside of the public sphere. These countries
intelligence agencies are keenly aware of who owns what, who's
going for what, who's closing what and when. The discovery
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of black sites is somewhat of a controlled burn. The
idea that you can give the public the feeling that
secrets have been discovered to prevent you know what I mean,
Like you you cut off the arm to save the body,
and Project Century isn't that important anymore, where we don't
need to worry about it. We can tell people about that,
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But then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret.
Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh.
I often wonder how much the president knows about these
sorts of projects. I feel like, strategically they would have
to write because they make the final call. I would think, so,
you know, some there's some stuff that has to be
compartmentalized so that they can maintain plausible deniability, which means
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that they will have a situation where they will talk
in a high level terms about something, but then someone
else will take care of it in the specifics and
the nuts and bolts, which is why you can have
a situation where someone says, I think that we should
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let's let's pivot and have more you know, human rights
in a given country, and then uh, a part of
the government will go off and say, okay, what does
that mean? And then the bombs start dropping. That's that's
that can happen. That doesn't you know. That's of course
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not the official policy, and that of course doesn't happen
all the time, but it has happened historically. And again
as we take pains to say, not just with the US,
but we would like to hear from you what military
bases or in your neck of the global woods? Right,
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do you do you live near a foreign military base?
The odds are overwhelmingly likely that if you do, it's
run by the US. And oh we should also say,
as a disclaimer, not all bases are created equally. The
Diego Garcia airstrip site is a very different animal, uh
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than you know Guantanamo Bay or Black site in Poland. Right,
and that's very different from military base in Germany or something.
And full disclosure, I used to live on military basis, um.
I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and
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livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences,
let us know what your life was like on a
military base. Um. And let us let us know your
opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're
the best part of the show, and the reason this
show works is because of your suggestions, which reminds me
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it's been a while since we did shut at corners.
I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati
Brent Rights. I volunteer with an aviation museum and on
our flight back from an air show, we flew over
the U S National Radio Quiet Zone sound familiar, Um,
we happened to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some
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of our crew asked what it was. When another crew
member and myself we're able to explain it to them.
Thanks to std W y t K that's us. It's
a mouthful. Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you
would enjoy. I'll test him with the email. Hope men
in black suits don't show up on my doorstep. Love
the podcast. Keep on illuminating, Brent. And he said, some
really cool pictures fly over pictures of this, uh, this
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area in the quiet zone? Um is that? And and
you can see the radio telescope right there on the
left here. Maybe we'll post these on social media or something.
Can we do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're comfortable
with it, all right? And Adam writes to us and
ask Adam c rights to us, NESK. Have you heard
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of them? V h g m T Voluntary Human Extinction movement.
If you or your listeners are interested in human population
mitigation for the benefit of ecology and humanity, this is
the place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look.
I've had these beliefs for a long time, but this
guy makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard.
Might a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see
(35:03):
scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I
think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that,
but I looked at some of the information and it's
completely fascinating. Check it out. They're not talking about necessarily
(35:23):
huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the enthusiast collapse. And
we have one more shout out for today. Laura writes
to us and says, Hey, I've been subscribed to your
channel for several years and I enjoy it very much.
Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you.
I'm surprised that your team has not done a video
(35:44):
about the weird theory surrounding our H negative human blood.
I am oh negative myself and recently researched the recess
factor while working on a novel. Some claim our H
negative people are descendants of ancient aliens, have special powers,
or are the children of the Nephelim. I hope you
will consider the subject worthy of your show. I consider
(36:05):
that very worthy. That's a cool idea, so thank you
so much more for writing in. It's fascinating. It's been
a while since we looked at the idea of nephelim,
you know, and the more we learn about ancient human history,
the more it seems. I don't know how you guys feel,
but the more the more evidence I see that, and
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these folk tales and these ancient traditions may be based
on other hominid species, encounters with early man and at
times inter you know, at times interbreeding, which is why
we're all likely to carry some stranger DNA with us.
So maybe the blood is part of that. I can
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see it. And that concludes today's gosh as well as
today's episode. But never fear, we will be back next week.
We also are working on some some things that may
interest you that will be coming out in December, so
stay tuned and no spoilers in the meantime. No spoilers,
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No spoilers in the meantime. If you want to learn
more about Project ice Worm, you can check out the
video that will be coming out on our YouTube channel
YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff if you want to
learn more about it. Uh from CBS and sixty Minutes,
they did a special where where Walter Cronkite visited quote
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the city under the ice It's so cool, it's so cool.
Check that out. There's also if you go to archive
dot org, you can see the footage, actual military footage
of of the camp of the site and it goes
through the construction of it. It's fascinating to watch. I
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From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,
(00:24):
my name is Matt, my name is no. They call
me Ben. You are you that makes this stuff they
don't want you to know? And as we are, as
we're recording this, it's a little before the US holiday
called Thanksgiving. So when this podcast comes out, hopefully if
you are in the US and you celebrate this sort
(00:45):
of thing, you will you will be full of trip
to fan the sleepy ingredient in Turkey and taking a
pleasant snooze. And if you're lucky, your family has a
elaborately decked out underground ice bunker where you and enjoy
their company. Um, in appropriate surroundings for such a holiday. Um,
(01:06):
I see ones right, And Uh, that's that's what they
call foreshadowing in the business. Ladies and gentlemen. Uh. You
may also take a moment, if you will, the day
after Thanksgiving to celebrate National Heritage Day, which is a
commemoration of the Native American people who were invaded by Europeans. Controversial,
(01:27):
but that's the nature of this show, and it is factual.
Today we are not talking about Thanksgiving. We are talking
about military bases, government secrecy. And so for those of
us in the audience who like the political stuff, you'll
love this. Uh. And for uh, those of us in
the audience who say, hey, why don't you do more
(01:48):
paranormal stuff? Thank you for all the awesome emails, tweets
and messages. Doing our best to get more topics like
that on this show. It can be a little bit
of an uphill battle, but hopefully they are more on
the way. We're also ta in a way today about
climate change. The crux of today's topic dwells in the
realm of geopolitics, the murky business of the institutions seeking
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to control the world and the groups of people seeking
to control those institutions. Here here are the facts. Funny
thing about America, right, And of course we've been in
the US. When we say America, we mean the United States.
Everyone in this country does it, sorry, Canada, Mexico, totally
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all American. But the thing about the US as seen
by residents of the U S is that, well, maybe
we do it hypothetically. Matt, How would you feel if
how would you feel if a country built a base
on US soil, Like, would it depend on the country,
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you know, would you be more okay with France versus
Saudi Arabia? Where is it? Is it an all um?
Not in my backyard? Yeah? What else is going on
to you politically that necessitates a base on US soil
from another country? I mean, I would hopefully look at
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it in those terms unless it was in extreme close
proximity to where I live and work every day. What
are we talking here, whether there be nuclear payloads involved?
You know, like I said, not in my backyard. Mr.
It's it's strange because the overwhelming majority of US citizens
or even just US residents, overwhelmingly across the board demographics, Uh,
(03:39):
demographics can be super varied, old, young, wealthy, poor, various
racial identifications, religious identifications, political allegiances. Almost everybody says a
foreign military base on US soil, well, that's an abomination,
that is an abomination to this country. Yet U s
military base is on other countries soil are seen, as
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you know, essential to the various political buzzwords of our time.
National security, that's the great boogeyman that we've explored in
the past. Just to put out there, I was playing
a character and saying not in my backyard. I was.
I was that guy that has that exact sense that
that you know, of course we need them there, but
don't don't let them. Global stability is not my neighborhood stability,
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UM and whatever else like what whatever else? UH people
use to linguistically disguise that fact that's seen as the
US being sort of the world's police force, right, And
you'll also hear the You'll also hear the argument like, oh, yeah, yeah, well,
we built that base because people want us there, people
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want the rule of law, if people want the security
of the world's best military, and the US is almost
by any measure, the world's largest and most efficient milit well,
not efficient, not efficient, just the largest and most effective
in terms of destruction. But this argument that people want
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foreign bases on their soil, or that other countries want
U S bases on their soil is usually not true
spoiler alert. When they say we want the u S there,
what they what they typically mean is something like the
leaders of the country have hatched to deal with the
leaders of this country to have this thing in um
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adjacent to UH country that the US is hostile toward.
So for instance, South Korea and North Korea, Iran and
every other country surrounding Iran, UH, because the US sure
hates Iran ever since they throughout the supported the U
(05:53):
S supported dictator. So, as far as we know, the
U S has built the most forign bases in history,
in human history, more bases, more you know, foreign sights
than the Roman Empire, more than the UK, more than
commit more than Babylonian society UH at this point there
as of two thousand fifteen, the US has around eight
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hundred more or less publicly known if not officially acknowledged
like open secret basis. And you can learn more about
this in a book called Base Nation, How U S
Military Bases Abroad harm America and the World by David Vine. Obviously,
the guy's got a slant, but his numbers are on
point in terms of the number of bases. I don't
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know if I completely agree with his opinion of what
those all those bases are doing. And we're also almost
certain that there are more sites out there that they
remain unacknowledged, and may remain unacknowledged for decades and decades
at least, that is until the ice begins to recede.
And the devils of the Imperial past come calling for
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their do. What are we talking about? You know? And
you said that just then you sounded a lot like
rod Sterling doing a Twilight Zone narration. Thank you, man
of their best, come calling for the do. Thank you
so much. Rod Sterling is a is a hero of mine.
That's good stuff. Thank you? Hey what um? But what
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are we talking about specifically? Here? We talked about underground layers.
We talked about ice Specifically, we're talking about a US
military base called Camp Century and it's a project. It's
a part of this thing called Project ice Worm, which
was originally started as a way to quote test construction
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techniques out in the Arctic or Arctic construction technique. So,
how do I make things work from an engineering perspective
when it's bitterly cold, like cold, unforgivingly cold, brutal? Was
that from the core of engineers and that was their
description of the Project cool. It exists a hundred and
fifty mile US from an existing US base called Tutually
(08:04):
Air Base, Camp Uh and that is it's also a
hundred and twenty one miles from the coast of Greenland,
right and total the air base is still extend. It's
the US Air Force's northernmost base, and it's a about
seven miles north of the Arctic Circle, a little less
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than miles from the North Pole. The physical and not
the magnetic one UM and it's or I should say,
the conceptual one, not the magnetic one UM. So this
this UH is home to the twenty one Space Wings
Global network of sensors. Just to give some just to
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give some context here. And when we say sensors, of course,
I mean the detection of external stimuli. I don't mean
editing the truth. And just to give people a sense
of like the layout of this I mean because when
I first started looking into it, I was picturing some
sort of fortified, crazy futuristic ice dome like James Bond
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villain Lair style, like we talked about at the beginning
of the show. But what in fact we're talking about
is much more like a traditional military base where you
have you know, barracks, you have different research facilities, you know,
you have a gym um commissary, things like that. So
I'm looking at an aerial view of it and it
kind of just looks like a neighborhood. But but but it's
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not like their roads or anything like that connecting these
these things up. It's tunnels that were board through the
ice right, and we'll we'll take a look at the
construction as well. So at the time, the US discussed
the plans for building Camp Century with Denmark, and they said,
as Matt pointed out, it would be a demonstration of
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affordable ice cat military outposts. They believed Denmark at least
officially believed this would be a way too explore scientific concepts,
so not an active application of things, more a well
this work, what can we do with this? Um Denmark
thought the U s would explore practical problems with a
(10:14):
semimobile nuclear reactor, like how could we make a movable
nuclear reactor that is stable and supplies enough power to
support as Noel said, a town, a military outpost of
this size and being a base camp for scientific experiments
in the ice cap. And this all was in a
way true. However, what Denmark did not officially know about
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and Noel, what are those what's that quote we use
for air quotes? Officially? Yes? What what Denmark did not
officially know about was Project ice Worm. This was a
proposed system of tunnels that would eventually according to their plans,
be two thousand five dred miles length used to deploy
up to six hundred nuclear missiles that would be able
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to reach the Soviet Union in the case of nuclear war,
which was clear and present danger. The brilliant thing about
this is that the missiles were under Greenland's ice sheets,
so when deployed, if deployed they would happen, they would
launch too close to be detected or prevented in time.
This was also created before the US knew about the
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dead Man's Hand, the apocalyptic nuclear UH nuclear system which
exists in Russia today, which you can find out about
in our our previous audio podcast. And just in case
they were discovered or compromised somehow, even though Soviet technology,
so far as the West knew, cannot detect these weapons,
the sites would still be changed periodically. We talked about
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the construction of this, so let's get in a little
more detail. There are twenty one trenches and they had
arched roofs uh and then inside of those arches that's
where they put these you know, like prefab buildings. If
you went to a public school in the United States,
then you have probably seen those add on trailers that
happen when, uh, when there are more students than the
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building can house. He used to call them portables when
I was a kid, affordables. I don't know if that's
like a thing that was just in my neck of
the woods, but I remember that, and it happens, especially
if you're around you know, growing population. So these pre
fabricated buildings, as Noll said, they had hospitals, chops, a theater,
(12:37):
a church. Of course. The total number of inhabitants that
the highest point was two hundred, and they had a
very interesting electricity supply from nineteen sixty detail um, nineteen
sixty three, the electricity supply was provided by the world's
first mobile portable nuclear reactor A portable A portable exactly. Yeah,
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our ours didn't didn't have those, but um we had
we had R. L. Steinbooks a plenty um. It was
referred to as the pm to A and designated by Alco,
the company for the US Army. Yeah, and pm t
A actually stood for something. It was, uh, portable medium power,
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which is kind of cool. So it was like one
to ten mega watts is how much you could generate. Interesting,
you know, and uh, there's also such a great story
in there which listeners, we we'd love it if you
take time to check this out and maybe we could
do something in the future on private engineering of nuclear facilities.
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Because Alco started as a locomotive company, it's short for
American Locomotive Company. They also in Camp Century and the
planned Project ice Worm. They took water supplied from glaciers
and they had to this is such a cool side note.
They had to test it for plague just in case
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something survived there in the depths of the glaciers. And
here's what they eventually wanted to build um. This missile
network was outlined in a report called the Strategic Value
of the Greenland Ice Cap Completed. They were thinking this
will cover fifty two square miles. It will be three
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times the size of Denmark, the country that technically the
US is occupying. Is that we didn't know about it.
They didn't know about this plan. They didn't officially know. Yeah,
they didn't know about But it's also interesting when we
when we think about a country like the US is
already larger than Denmark, right, and Denmark had jurisdiction over Greenland,
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and the US was building a base that was larger
than the country it was technically occupying. Do you know
the of the capital of Greenland, Nuke Beard right under
your nose, man, That's what I know. It's true. I did.
I didn't want to mention that. A lot of sources
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refer to the base itself as more or less a
cover for this more strategic project where they were trying
to you know, really get a foothold, so to speak,
in the ice and like burrow these tunnels in order
to you know, have this strategic advantage. Um. And the
base itself was almost more just like a cover project
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so they could actually do this more you know, kind
of top secret project, right, and also so that I mean,
let'stening of it this this way. Um. At this time,
there are deep cover operatives from both sides of the
Cold War embedded in all sorts of government and private
industry positions, high value stuff. I just I find it
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difficult to believe that the Soviet sources would not somehow
get wind of this. Come on, man, we're building this
to test construction techniques. Come on. Oh yeah, And I'm
sure I'm sure Harp was just experimenting with the ionosphere
to see what would happen. Let's spend, let's spend hundreds
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of millions of dollars on projects like this. And I'm
not I'm not quoting um exact financial amounts here, but
I am saying that you are absolutely right, Nolan Matt
The it was a cover they wanted to launch complex
to be twenty eight ft below the surface, and then
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the missile launchers themselves even deeper and they would be
in clusters spaced about four miles apart from each other.
They would dig new tunnels every year, so after five
years there would be thousands of different possible firing positions
and they could rotate amongst those, which is important because
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that means that once the Soviets side found out about it,
they would be playing whack a mole. Essentially, they couldn't
hit the whole thing at once, and they built a
different kind of or they intended to launch a different
kind of Minuteman missile. It was a shorter, two stage
version and they called it the Iceman, which I think
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is cool. It reminds me that play the Iceman Cometh. However,
it didn't last very long because you see the ice
was moving. Yeah, on Greenland, the surface ice is constantly
moving outwards from what would be essentially the center of
the continent as it forms and then moves towards the ocean.
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And this poses a problem for these tunnels that were
dug inside this ice because they're gonna be deforming. They're
gonna be uh, you know, as this ice and melting
like it's gonna bulge in on the tunnel. If you've
got a missile silo that's dug out in there, that
poses a huge problem. Stuff is gonna get covered up.
You're gonna have to be constantly I guess, maintaining like
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such huge amounts of maintenance that it would probably not
be feasible. And the idea of climate change at this
time was pretty much just a glimmer if that. I mean,
it just wasn't a thing. Yeah, absolutely, but they did. Yeah,
so it wasn't politicized the way it is now. UM.
But the patterns were in place, right and for them
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it was just pure science, was pure engineering. Just you
cannot build a castle on sands. We should mention too
that some of the first ice cores were taken in
that research facility we mentioned at the base UM, which
would you know, which we're looking for variations historically in
the layers of ice in order to kind of see
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the way the planet had developed and what the conditions
were like over time. Yeah, I believe climatologists still used
that that The results from those today. You ever seen
the way they store those like they pull them out
and they they're stored in these like giant crazy tubes,
are than like you know, kept in a climate controlled environment.
That's insane. I wouldn't want to be around it because
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I have this habit of this long standing principle I
don't want to touch things that I can't afford to replace.
So listeners, if you ever meet be in person, ah,
I think the world of you. I love you, death,
love your kid. Don't want to hold it. And what
if plague is in there? Been? And what if plague
is in there? Mat uh in the ice? We mean
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not in your So you're having these potential structural issues
with this moving ice. And by nineteen sixty two, the
ceiling of the reactor room where this portable nuclear reactor
was it dropped and in this the reactor itself had
to be lifted five feet And we're talking, I mean
this thing is well. I know one one component of
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the reactor was like twenty one tons, and I mean,
this is a massive undertaking just to move this thing,
and that poses a problem. But then then they realized
within three years the the ice core samples started showing
evidence that the glaciers was moving actually faster than they
had anticipated, and they realized this ice is going to
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destroy the tunnels and all of these planned launch stations
in like two years. We're talking two years from now.
Everything is destroyed that we want to make. So they
decided to you know, cut their losses and they evacuated
the place in nineteen sixty five. A little bit after that,
the nuclear generator itself was removed, and they canceled Project
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ice Worm altogether, at least officially, and Camp Century closed
in nineteen sixty six, and decades would pass before anyone
else learned about this. UH in Denmark and the US
had beef over previously classified UH set of of dicments
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information regarding the n B fifty two crash at the
Toil Air Base, and because of that disagreement, the public
learned and Denmark officially learned of Project ice Worm. However,
when we say the public learned, often what we're what
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we're saying is that it was no longer classified or
it was technically on paper available. So while it was
publicly available, it was highly unlikely that someone would use
this information or or even be aware of it. Right
so much it changed, however, in scientists concluded that the
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portion of the ice sheet covering Camp Century is most
likely going to melt away. We would have never learned
about this thing, the secret military base, unless it was
already inevitable that this would be exposed. And when it
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is exposed, we're talking about some very dangerous possibilities. That's right.
Remember that nuclear generator, Well, that thing was pumping out
hazardous materials, as you know, as it was creating power.
That's just how it functions. So when they left, there's
still at the site roughly two liters of diesel fuel,
(22:39):
roughly the same amount of wastewater from the generator. There's
all kinds of radioactive coolant that's still there that that
nobody even knows how much is still there, and like PCBs,
other kinds of organic pollutants. Yeah, man, I mean, I
don't know if I ever told you guys this one.
I used to work for a public radio My beat
was the nuclear plant in the town where I lived
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in Augusta, Georgia, um And also there was a called
the Savannah River Site, which was converted into more of
a research facility where different scientists study the effects of
nuclear waste on the environment. The reason for that is
is that it had been the site of a refinery
was built in the nineteen fifties to refine materials used
(23:21):
to make nuclear weapons. But when they decommissioned it, they
had just buried all of this waste in these pits
that were aligned with what the equivalent of like a tarp,
you know, like a sheet, and so there were all
these different pits that they had to clean. All these
projects involved cleaning out this waste, and then again the
scientist their study of the effects on you know, uh,
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deer and amphibians and turtles and all this kind of stuff.
Point being is that in these days, the government was
not particularly concerned with doing a real bang up job
at cleaning up their messes. So there's still a lot
of learning that's going on in these days about the
effects of all that stuff, not to you know, cast
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it away and say, oh, they didn't know what they
were doing. But still it's uh irresponsible in some ways. Absolutely,
But you know, their their idea was, oh, the ice
will just it'll just be um preserved forever and no
one will ever be exposed to it, which there is
some truth to that. But as we know, that's that
ice is receding still and who knows what happens if
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it ever, you know, did get exposed. Right between two
thousand three and two thousand and ten, the ice that
covers most of Greenland was melting twice as fast as
during the rest of the twenty century. It's picking up
the pace and you can look at the temperatures as
well to see this. The only good thing currently is
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that in the immediate short term it looks like there
continues to be more and more ice building up on
top of of this site. So in nineteen fifty nine
Camp Century was eight meters below the ice. Uh, then
in nineteen sixty five it was twelve meters below the ice.
Then in this year it stands at thirty five meters
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below the ice. But like Ben said, what's happening here
is the ice. The ice sheet is generated in certain
months or like certain time of the year, then it
melts away and then it comes back a little bit,
and then it receives. So it's this ebb and flow
of ice and the melting is increasing. So there, what
are they thinking been Yeah, yeah, slightly before the end
(25:39):
of this century. Yeah, that's when all of the ice
will be gone and this stuff is just exposed to
the elements. So is there no uh program or anything
that that's that's interested in cleaning this up or getting
in there and you know, taking care of this in
advance of that happening, or is it just too inaccessible? Well,
Greenland became large independent in nine seventy nine. The government's UM,
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the local government of Greenland, Denmark, and the US are
aware of this. The U s has issued a statement
saying that they are going to work to address any
concerns in mad I see you. I just love that idea.
We're gonna address any concerns. It'll be fine. I see,
I see Matt doing the unhappy grit and headshake. Um,
(26:30):
you're a man of many grins, and I've learned to
read several of them. I'm not fluent in your language yet,
but I'm picking up what you're putting down. So you
think it's malarkey, Huh, I don't know. I mean, there's
not much money in cleaning up. Yeah, it's not profitable
for anyone. And you know, it seems like we have
(26:51):
a pretty standard policy in this country when it comes
to that kind of stuff, as who cares, it'll be fine,
We'll deal with that when we deal with it once
it gets really bad. Well, can you can we honestly
expect people who are especially if they're elected. Can we
honestly expect people who are elected for a term of
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four years or two years or even ten years if
that happens too, effectively create solutions that won't come into
play until twenty years, twenty five years. You can't expect
a person with a four year mind to make good
twenty five year decisions. You can hope for it, but
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you can't expect it. And that's that's one of the
problems here, is that we are as a species on
the precipice of extended lifespans, and it is quite possible
that the first person who will functionally be immortal one
sense or the other is alive today. So this problem
(27:56):
is becoming less and less abstract. You know, it's very
easy to say, as as Drew Carey said once in
his stand up set. You know, forget the kids, forget
the later generations, I forget the ozone. I want I
want my hair spray now or whatever it was. That
that's the point, um, now is the future is now,
(28:20):
It's happening. If you take decent care of yourself, then
medical technology will start with the obscenely wealthy, right, and
a few lottery winners who will get a careful what
you wish for situation like the Henrietta Lacks, who is
the currently technically you guess you could say the mother
(28:46):
of the first immortal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, and that's not
kind of immortality a lot of people would like. But
what we're saying is your odds of living to see
this are higher now than any point ever. And and
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I know that's yes, you're just chronologically closer. We're just
chronologically closer. But also you could be born in and white,
possibly live to and not not live in some deluded
state either. You could be cognitively functional. And that's just
(29:34):
one abandoned base and we only learned about it because
governments are saying, well, people are going to find out eventually. Yeah.
When Google Maps came along, they're like, yeah, well, yes,
we get to talk when the when the glaciers. When
the glaciers melt starts changing colors, the fish start floating,
(29:56):
belly up again and more. Uh huh. Then eventually, as
we said at the beginning, the devil comes calling for
his due. And now in sten towards the very end
of the year, the US is likely making more military
(30:16):
bases than it is closing. Many countries are involved in this,
mostly superpowers and outside of the public sphere. These countries
intelligence agencies are keenly aware of who owns what, who's
going for what, who's closing what and when. The discovery
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of black sites is somewhat of a controlled burn. The
idea that you can give the public the feeling that
secrets have been discovered to prevent you know what I mean,
Like you you cut off the arm to save the body,
and Project Century isn't that important anymore, where we don't
need to worry about it. We can tell people about that,
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But then we're gonna keep these other seven so top secret.
Only Trump's gonna know about it. Oh, that's right, the president. Uh.
I often wonder how much the president knows about these
sorts of projects. I feel like, strategically they would have
to write because they make the final call. I would think, so,
you know, some there's some stuff that has to be
compartmentalized so that they can maintain plausible deniability, which means
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that they will have a situation where they will talk
in a high level terms about something, but then someone
else will take care of it in the specifics and
the nuts and bolts, which is why you can have
a situation where someone says, I think that we should
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let's let's pivot and have more you know, human rights
in a given country, and then uh, a part of
the government will go off and say, okay, what does
that mean? And then the bombs start dropping. That's that's
that can happen. That doesn't you know. That's of course
(32:08):
not the official policy, and that of course doesn't happen
all the time, but it has happened historically. And again
as we take pains to say, not just with the US,
but we would like to hear from you what military
bases or in your neck of the global woods? Right,
(32:28):
do you do you live near a foreign military base?
The odds are overwhelmingly likely that if you do, it's
run by the US. And oh we should also say,
as a disclaimer, not all bases are created equally. The
Diego Garcia airstrip site is a very different animal, uh
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than you know Guantanamo Bay or Black site in Poland. Right,
and that's very different from military base in Germany or something.
And full disclosure, I used to live on military basis, um.
I can assure you some are much more sophisticated and
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livable than others. Uh. So let us know what your experiences,
let us know what your life was like on a
military base. Um. And let us let us know your
opinion if you are comfortable sharing it, because again, you're
the best part of the show, and the reason this
show works is because of your suggestions, which reminds me
(33:37):
it's been a while since we did shut at corners.
I have a shout out today goes to Brent Liberati
Brent Rights. I volunteer with an aviation museum and on
our flight back from an air show, we flew over
the U S National Radio Quiet Zone sound familiar, Um,
we happened to fly directly over Sugar Grove Station. Some
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of our crew asked what it was. When another crew
member and myself we're able to explain it to them.
Thanks to std W y t K that's us. It's
a mouthful. Anyway, I took some pictures I thought you
would enjoy. I'll test him with the email. Hope men
in black suits don't show up on my doorstep. Love
the podcast. Keep on illuminating, Brent. And he said, some
really cool pictures fly over pictures of this, uh, this
(34:21):
area in the quiet zone? Um is that? And and
you can see the radio telescope right there on the
left here. Maybe we'll post these on social media or something.
Can we do that? Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're comfortable
with it, all right? And Adam writes to us and
ask Adam c rights to us, NESK. Have you heard
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of them? V h g m T Voluntary Human Extinction movement.
If you or your listeners are interested in human population
mitigation for the benefit of ecology and humanity, this is
the place to be. It's very reasonable. Take a look.
I've had these beliefs for a long time, but this
guy makes the most sense of anyone I've ever heard.
Might a good show for you. Scary stuff, Adam, see
(35:03):
scary scary stuff, the idea of voluntary human extinction. I
think a lot of people will have survival arguments against that,
but I looked at some of the information and it's
completely fascinating. Check it out. They're not talking about necessarily
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huge suicide pact population mitigation preventing the enthusiast collapse. And
we have one more shout out for today. Laura writes
to us and says, Hey, I've been subscribed to your
channel for several years and I enjoy it very much.
Thank you so much, Laura. It's very kind of you.
I'm surprised that your team has not done a video
(35:44):
about the weird theory surrounding our H negative human blood.
I am oh negative myself and recently researched the recess
factor while working on a novel. Some claim our H
negative people are descendants of ancient aliens, have special powers,
or are the children of the Nephelim. I hope you
will consider the subject worthy of your show. I consider
(36:05):
that very worthy. That's a cool idea, so thank you
so much more for writing in. It's fascinating. It's been
a while since we looked at the idea of nephelim,
you know, and the more we learn about ancient human history,
the more it seems. I don't know how you guys feel,
but the more the more evidence I see that, and
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these folk tales and these ancient traditions may be based
on other hominid species, encounters with early man and at
times inter you know, at times interbreeding, which is why
we're all likely to carry some stranger DNA with us.
So maybe the blood is part of that. I can
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see it. And that concludes today's gosh as well as
today's episode. But never fear, we will be back next week.
We also are working on some some things that may
interest you that will be coming out in December, so
stay tuned and no spoilers in the meantime. No spoilers,
(37:12):
No spoilers in the meantime. If you want to learn
more about Project ice Worm, you can check out the
video that will be coming out on our YouTube channel
YouTube dot com slash conspiracy Stuff if you want to
learn more about it. Uh from CBS and sixty Minutes,
they did a special where where Walter Cronkite visited quote
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the city under the ice It's so cool, it's so cool.
Check that out. There's also if you go to archive
dot org, you can see the footage, actual military footage
of of the camp of the site and it goes
through the construction of it. It's fascinating to watch. I
would say go out and do it. But if you
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want to contact us on social media about any of
the stuff sending in your suggestions, Uh, just if you
want to shout out, if you want to learn more
about anything, just send us a message. You can find
us on Facebook where we're conspiracy Stuff, Twitter where we're
conspiracy Stuff, Instagram add show you can also find me,
uh Moonless Nights, Crossroads at midnight, but we'll negotiate. And
(38:21):
if you don't want to do any of that, but
besides the Crossroads, I'd highly recommend it. Uh, try it once.
At least you can write us an email. We are
conspiracy at how stuff works dot com.
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