Who Built The Georgia Guidestones?

After years of listener requests, Ben, Matt and Noel are finally exploring the mysterious story of the legendary Georgia Guidestones. Who built this monument, and why? Listen in to learn more.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. Hello,

(00:24):
and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,
my name is Noel. They call me Ben. You are you?
And that makes this stuff they don't want you to know. Uh.
This this is something that's been a long time in
coming for the three of us and for everyone else.
It's also been a long time in Alberton, that's a

(00:45):
joke about coming the county another county in Georgia where
I grew up. It's a it's a city. It's a city.
Excuse me, Alberton because it has the area because seven
h six, so does Athens, so does Augusta, where I
grew up. It seems like a whole wide off of
Georgia has seven or six and I've never understood why. Yeah,
you know, there's a there's an interesting thing we could

(01:06):
explore with the You know, there are conspiracy theories about
area codes, which will be something for a completely different podcasts.
Not Today, My Friend, Not Today, My Friend. Today, we're
casting our memory back to nineteen eighty almost forty years
gone now in a small town called Elberton, Georgia, the
self proclaimed granite capital of the world. And no, you have, uh,

(01:31):
you have FRAPs some of the we you definitely have
the most I would say personal experience with today's topic.
Could you could you lead us in? You'll give you
the set up? Can you give us the set up?
I'm gonna do it in my setup voice. In June

(01:51):
of nineteen seventy nine, a well dressed, well spoken stranger
walked into the office of the Elberton Granite Finishing Company.
He used the name R. C. Christian or Robert Christian.
When introducing himself to the owner, Joe Findley, who was
finishing his payroll. He said that he represented a small
group of proud Americans who wanted to erect a monument

(02:14):
in granite that would help shape the future of mankind.
That's right, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, and those who are
aliens or ghosts or future AI listening to this show today,
at this moment in time and space, we are exploring
the strange and fascinating story behind what is often called
America's Stonehenge, but has another more common name, the Georgia guidestones.

(02:42):
Don't don't, man, you read my mind with that sound effect?
Is that? Okay? I know we can do it in No, no, no,
it's better from you. More gravity, yeah, more more gravitas excellence.
So we went to the guide Stones for a an
adventure that we probably won't ever fully explain on air. Um.

(03:05):
But circumstances led to the three of us being there
in Elberton, Georgia, the seat of Elbert County. And this
is a very very very very small town, very small population,
somewhere between four thousand, five thousand people, about ninety miles
east of Atlanta, forty five miles from Athens. But the

(03:26):
stones themselves are about nine miles north of downtown Alberton.
And you can see it from Georgia Highway seventy seven
and you can reach it by turning turning on guide
Stones Road. Uh. But it's incredibly accessible. You know, it's
just sitting there and there are horses near it. It's
actually situated on a farm, a piece of farmland that

(03:48):
was gifted to the city of Alberton by the Mullanex family. UM.
And I don't know we should should we go into wine?
I know this stuff we should we should go ahead, Yeah,
we should at least talk about it. Now. Let's let
the badger out of the bag and get into it earlier.
Because what what were we referring to when we said
that you have some personal experience here? Um, When I

(04:11):
was in college, I did my senior thesis film on
the Georgia guidestones. Much like all of you listeners, it
just kind of found its way to me, um through
a girl that I was dating at the time, and
I just was fascinated by it because there's a lot
to be fascinated by. It's a pretty pretty awesome mystery,

(04:33):
and I decided I was going to make a little
documentary about it, and I ended up being I think
a little more than that, um in terms of, you know,
what I uncovered and who I kind of befriended along
the way. We can get into that a little further
into the episode here. Yes, because you have you have unique,
one of a kind, uh, not just experiences, not just

(04:54):
pieces of footage, but also documents and connections with it.
And we're going to coming back to repeatedly over this
because ladies and gentlemen, you are going to hear in
this podcast to see in this video things that you
have probably never heard nor seen regarding this topic, even

(05:15):
if you have researched extensively yourself. Let's look at the
history of Albert County. What do we know about this
We know that it is named after a revolutionary and
former governor of Georgia, Mr. Samuel Albert, who was born
in Savannah in seventeen forty. Wow. Yeah, seventeen forty. That's

(05:39):
that's old South. Yes, with a capital O and the
capitals definitely, So early on in this gentleman's career, he
established this record for peaceable interactions with the native populations
in the area, particularly the Creek Indians that were prevalent there.
So this guy is allegedly a Mason and his name

(06:01):
supposedly appears on the ninth on the seventeen seventy nine
Masonic membership roles of Solomon's Lodge Number one in Savannah. Cool. Yeah, yeah,
well that's you know, Savannah is one of the older
cities in Georgia and for it to be there, that's
pretty significant. And he made waves during his time in office.

(06:22):
He ignored some existing legislation that sought to mix the
powers of church and state in Georgia at the time.
The way that the powers that a governor would have
over his state or her state, we're a little bit
different than they are in the modern age today, or
what we consider the modern age, because who knows when

(06:42):
you're watching this. And like many people, he passed away
in November of seventeen eight, like all people eventually, but
Alberton remains as the most notable location surrounding the Georgia
guide Stones. All of its lore, all of its history,

(07:06):
all rooted there in the town of Alberton. With also
is still in the town of Alberton is a whole
hell of a lot of granite, which is the main
industry of that city. When we went and visited, every
business from McDonald's to a you know, funeral home has
a granite sign, you know on the outside basically looks

(07:28):
like a tombstone or they call the monuments that's their
houses mailboxes. You know. It's just that the place is
just lousy with the stuff. Granite processing, granite processing facilities everywhere.
I was able to visit one for the film actually
and see the way they do it, and it's a
very There are some machines involved, but a lot of
it is still very hands on hammer and chisel kind

(07:50):
of activity, where they you know, literally draw lines around
the edges and hit it with a hammer and chisel
and break them off, break off the edges to make
those kind of rough you know monu meant slabs that
you see in tombstones, granite countertops. There's all kinds of
different processes for doing it. But the place I went
there were just lines of workers, you know, working on

(08:11):
this stuff with their hands. The place is just full
of dust, granite dust in the air, big huge saw
blades with water spraying into them to cool it down
and make these really precise cuts, really interesting stuff. And
it's a very close knit community where pretty much the
only reason you live there is if you work for
that industry in some form or fashion. Yeah, which makes

(08:34):
absolute sense, because no, you're not exaggerating in any way.
This was and is a granite town. And also they're
famous for the type of granite that I think it's
called blue pyramid granite, which is of a higher grade
than some of the other stuff out there on the market.
And that is one of the reasons people, uh conjecture

(08:56):
that's part of the reason that r C went down
I'm going to assume that I'm very familiar with him,
or you are more than most. Uh so you can
probably call him r C. That's why he and his associates,
his cohorts selected this area specifically, so they built this
monument we call the Georgia Guide Stones. It's built to

(09:17):
convey astrological information, contains these multi lingual directives for a
new world paradigm or almost it seems like a restart,
like this should be the base level if everything gets destroyed,
this is where we should go. And we'll run through
some statistics that are pretty easily available online. Here, just

(09:40):
the basics. Overall, nineteen ft three inches tall ways almost
two hundred and forty thousand pounds um. The four major
stones or sixteen ft four inches, and they have support stones,
and they have a cap stone right, and the languages

(10:00):
all of these directives are listed in English, Spanish, Swahili, Hindi, Hebrew, Arabic, Chinese,
and Russian. And at the top in that capstone they
have four older languages, and in each of those languages
is written the same ten commandments, and they are as follows,
presented without comment. Number one maintain humanity under five hundred

(10:26):
million in perpetual balance with nature. Number two guide reproduction
wisely improving fitness and diversity. The third one is a
unite humanity with a living new language. Four Rule passion, faith, tradition,
and all things with tempered reason. Next, protect people in

(10:49):
nations with fair laws and just courts. Six, Let all
nations rule internally, resolving external disputes in a world court. Seven,
avoid petty laws and useless officials. Balance personal rights with
social duties. Prize truth, beauty, love, seeking, harmony with the infinite,

(11:11):
and last, but not least, number ten, be not a
cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature. Leave room
for nature. This has been the subject of so much controversy,
but everything you've heard at this point have been facts,
and no I wanted to ask you. Did you in

(11:31):
in the course of talking about the construction, um, what
did you learn about how this came from a stranger
walking into a granted company in a bank to actually
becoming a thing. So, in trying to find folks to
interview for this film, I kept seeing the name Wyatt

(11:52):
Martin pop up. He was the banker at a place
at the time was called the Granite City Bank, and
I believe it eventually became a region's bank. UM. And
he was the one who received this Mr Christian when
he came in a gentleman just looking to discuss financing
a project or having someone act as sort of an intermediary. UM.

(12:12):
He wanted to remain anonymous, so he needed someone that
was rooted in that community that could sort of help
move the funds around higher the right people. And he
wasn't asking for someone's advice. He already had his mindset
that this is where he wanted to build this thing.
He already had the plans drawn up, he had the
thing designed, you know, and it was a lot of
money for the community and a lot of work for

(12:34):
you know, people that the granite workers and so. And
it would have been an interesting if you think about it.
At the time, not knowing too much about it, I
could see this as being an interesting tourist attraction, you know,
the idea of having sort of a mystery around it.
It got people in the community kind of um buzzing
about what this was all about, who this mysterious stranger
was and all that. And I've found Mr Martin UM.

(12:57):
He had moved from Elberton, but I able to look
him up, just googling his name, and I called him
and he was very gracious and hospitable, and went over
to his house several times and hung out and just chatted,
and you know, he had some really interesting things to
say about the process without revealing the identity of this man.
He was true to his word. The first thing the

(13:19):
man said was, I want to use you as my ownimediary,
but you have to promise me that you will never
tell anyone who I really was, no matter where. I
swore him to secrecy more or less. And you know,
this is a man of his word, a Southern gentleman,
shall we say, a businessman, you know, John businessman. And um,

(13:40):
he did that thing. You know, he definitely kept to
his word. So once it was clear that the funds
were available and this guy wasn't completely full of crap
and that he was serious about doing this project, um,
he sent him over to see a man named Joe
Finley at the Albert and Granite Finishing Company or I
believe it was maybe the Albert Granite Finishing Company. And um,
he said that they could get it done. And he had,

(14:02):
you know, folks that could do the work that were craftsmen.
They ended up having to bring in some outside help
to do some translations for these directives that we talked about.
They hired some people at the University of Georgia to
do some of the different translations, which we'll get into
in a bit. But the stones were actually completed, um
in March of nineteen eighty and they even had an

(14:24):
unveiling ceremony where all of local politicians were there, local
business people. Like I said, it was for many looked
at as a potential for a source of great pride
for the community, like you know, here's the kind of
work we can do. It was a much bigger project
than just your typical countertop or you know, a gravestone,
a grave marker. This was a big deal and it

(14:46):
was right there on the open in this field for
all to see. So it was you know, it was
a big point of pride for the community. Um. The
unveiling ceremony was on March the twenty two of nineteen
eighty and uh there was covered by the media and
the locally and regionally, and so you know, I'm going
it took about a year to get the whole process done,

(15:07):
and um, there you have it. There we have the genesis,
the origin point, the beginning, but not nearly the end,
not nearly the end. And we'll get to some of
the stranger things about the Georgia guidestones after a word
from our sponsor. Here's where it gets crazy. Remember that R. C.

(15:38):
Christian guy. We still don't know who that guy is.
We don't know the group that he represented, if he
represented a group, we don't know much about it. Maybe
a little bit. Well, we know speculations, but we there's
much more that we don't know. We have theories about
his identity, we have theories about his affiliation some One

(16:01):
of the interesting things that you'll find, one of the
more conspiratorial, perhaps is that there are people who believe R. C.
Christian could have been one of two people, or maybe
even more than one. And for the record, I find
that very difficult to believe because it sounds like when

(16:21):
Christian was interacting with his intermediary, it was always the
same person. They saw each other's face as they recognized
each other. But my my favorite guest here is some
people believe that R. C. Christian was actually guy named
Robert Carter Cook. So Robert Carter Cook was a guy

(16:43):
who headed eugenics organizations like the Planned Parenthood League, American
Eugenic Society, the Association for Research and Human Heredity, and
many other groups to uh too numerous recall he's very
into eugenics, right. Uh. He was a big fan of
Thomas Paying, also a freemason and author of the Age

(17:04):
of Reason. Or next candidate Ted Turner. Definitely, Yep, it's
dead Turner. You're sold. Mat that's sold sold, wrote in
on a buffalo and he was like, this is how
we're doing this. These are my stones, were making them. Yeah,
of that TBS money. Let's see. I just don't feel

(17:25):
like Turner is the kind of guy that keeps much
of anything a secret. You know. He seems like a
pretty ostentatious fellow, wants to wants to leave his mark
and let people know that it was his Well, this
was his one secret and all kind of like everybody
gets one. Yeah, that was probably Jane's ideas. She seems
a little more subtle. Let's let's go back to that
is clearly blow Well, I don't uh. The problem is

(17:50):
like the Robert Carter Cook being a eugenicist. While that's
evidence of a supporter of eugenics. It's not it's the
it's not a smoking guy. And let's let's not forget
too that the initials are c Christian. Can't help but
think about the Rosicrucian order, the Order of the Rose

(18:11):
Cross Um also having some enlightenment philosophies and um, you know,
a similar kind of um ideology to something like a Freemason,
in that they combined aspects of religion and numerology symbology, uh,

(18:32):
in a similar way to the Freemasons. Right, Yeah, Rosicrucians
who combine her medicism, some Jewish mysticism, and Christian gnosticism
and and things of that nature to communicate this secret
wisdom which has passed down through the ages. Um. And
this sort of philosophy goes back to what are known

(18:54):
as mystery religions. Interesting side note, all right, Um, you
may hear at times people talk about a revealed religion.
It's easy for us to think that means they are
all sorts of secret religions that may be true, But
the actual definition of a revealed religion is simply one
that has a book, you know, a Koran, a Bible

(19:17):
uh Torah or something like that. So Rosicrucian and teachings
then would be non revealed religions, because they there's not
like the one official book that everybody knows about that
you can you know, buy at Barnes and Noble, can
buy a lot of books about it, a lot of
books that purport to be sending the message, but there's

(19:39):
not a single canonical thing. At this point, she goes,
my next question, what are you guys doing next week?
Do you want to write one? Well? Whatever, All right,
while we're getting together our synops is for that book.
I think it's it's important for us to point out
that when people are guessing about what this organization could be,

(20:04):
or what this group of people could be, all they
have to go on is that they what they said
in the Stones, and then that they describe themselves as
a small group of Americans who seek the age of reason,
patriotic Americans, even patriotic Americans absolutely, And this has led
various various speculators to guess that these are Resicrucians, like

(20:24):
we're saying Freemasons. Of course, the new world order of globalists,
which it does sound similar with the World Court stuff
or occultist. However, we have on this show. Thanks to
you know, uh, we have proof that at least the
person responsible for constructing the guide stones took great exception

(20:48):
to this because we actually have stuff that you found
in your investigations from the man himself. That's true. Man.
But before I reveal this material, I do want to
say that should be noted that there was a sense
at the time and now among the people that live
in the area that this is some sort of shadowy

(21:11):
occult monument, some sort of let's satanic, a site for ritual.
You know. I actually interviewed a pastor from a church
nearby who claims to have driven by at night and
seen robed figures sacrificing animals and throwing down rose pedals.

(21:31):
In all of this, I also spoke at length to
a very lovely woman named l Um who was a pagan,
and Um knows folks who have gone there to do
Solstice ceremonies. Because it's on a high place, it does
have that kind of druid I, you know, majesty to it.
I could definitely see how that would be an appealing site.

(21:53):
And it's oriented astronomy. It is, yes to show certain
certain features of heaven, right It tracks the movement of
the North Star. There's a hole in it called the
Noman hole that allows you to aligns with the north Star.
Yeah and so yeah, again, a lot of the stuff
that we could um kind of lump in with some

(22:16):
of these astrological obsessed shall we say, organizations, orders, religions.
You know, it's a lot of that is there if
you want it. And people still, local local populations still
occasionally deface the monument by throwing paints on it and
stuff like that. There was actually spoke with a local

(22:38):
historian who had done some work around the history of
Alberton and written several books about, uh, the history of
that part of the state, and uh talked about how
someone at one point had actually defaced it with a
jackhammer or it looked like they had driven a car
into it and tried to literally pull it to the

(23:00):
ground with some sort of toe line. You know, we
saw evidence of that because I remember seeing the chips
at the bottom have been defaced. They were able to
buff a lot of that off. I mean, again, it's
a town full of granite workers. Yeah. Um, but so there,

(23:21):
you know, even to this day, people there are there
is a certain subset of people that look at his
look at a mystery as being a sign of ill
will or a sign of some sort of force that
is negative in some way threat exactly, they're threatened by it. Um.
Even in nineteen eighty, right when the stones were erected,

(23:44):
Mr Christian wasn't having any of that, and he sent
this letter to whyatt Martin UM. It's dated six August
nineteen eighty Dear Mr Martin, thank you for sending me
the newspaper stories. These were clippings about some of the controversy.
This is the type of controversy which we had hoped
to avoid, which I suppose is unavoidable. I'm inclosing a

(24:08):
statement which you might forward to the local newspaper and
perhaps to the offended ministers of the gospel. Perhaps printing
this information will control the problem. We can only hope
that common sense will prevail. This is quite a long statement, actually,
so here are some selected highlights. Dear Mr Martin, I

(24:29):
have received your recent letter detailing some of the bizarre
reactions to the Georgia guidestones. If I were not concerned
by them, I would only be amused. The sponsors of
the project do not believe in demonology or astrology or Satanism.
We regard such activities as being a form of superstition.
There may be evil spirits of a personal sort in

(24:50):
the universe, we are not convinced. We would rather regard
evil as the absence of good. Only through the most
strained construction can the precepts referring to the commandments of
this monument be construed as being anti religious or anti Christian.
It's actually so good, I'm gonna keep reading. The monument

(25:12):
attempts to appeal to the good in human beings of
all faiths. For this reason and this reason alone, it
does not carry the badges of any of the world's
major religions or philosophies. And for this reason it speaks
in Russian and Arabic and Swahili and other major tongues
of the human family. It is devoid of political overtones.

(25:35):
It appeals to human reason as a God given tool
to be used by humanity in dealing with the problems
which now confront us so urgently. We hope that the
good people of Elbert County will interpret our message literally
just as we have presented it, and that they will
not twist and turn our words to find hidden meanings

(25:56):
which are not a part of our concept. Numerologists can
find secret meanings in the random patterns of a telephone book.
The dimensions of the stones were determined by the limits
of our financial resources and the physical requirements of the texts.
Meters were used because the metric system is being adopted universally.

(26:18):
Larger stones were too costly. It is probably unavoidable that
followers of unusual sects will attempt to find in the
astronomical bearings some occult message. None have been placed therein.
As we have indicated, the present stone cluster indicates the
northern and southern extremes of the motions of the sunrise
and sunset throughout the year. They have been calculated by

(26:42):
scientifically trained astronomers using modern computer technology. The significance of
these orientations is to recognize the constancy of the laws
of nature which govern the motions of the heavenly bodies.
If additional stones are added at a later date by
other donors whose gifts would be most welcome, they should
indicate the migrations of the moon. If the donors wish,

(27:04):
they may cause these stones to indicate some other interesting
but constant feature in the nighttime sky. Our initial group
of stones are intended to carry only the simple message
we have inscribed upon them. Any other mysterious significance which
may be thought to attach to these stones will be
purely the product of the imagination of the viewer. We

(27:25):
specifically disavow any connection with the so called cults and
superstitions which are now being professed by people who claim
a relationship to ancient religions or to witchcraft or other
irrational human beliefs. We discourage the use of the monument
site for cultist purposes of any kind. We ask the
people of Elbert County to protect the site from abuse,

(27:48):
so that our brief appeal to reason may be carried
to our fellow human beings of all philosophies in a
united effort to deal with the problems of the world
through the application of human reason. Yours truly, R. C. H.
So this official statement more or less categorically disavows any

(28:10):
sort of uh, occult or ritualistic um involvement, at least
on the part of our seat. And again, the words
that we are hearing that pop up here consistently are
things like reason, common sense. This is clearly based on

(28:31):
at least a group that perceives themselves as proceeding in
secularism and rationalism, also as being relatively neutral in terms
of any kind of the they mentioned. He mentioned in
the letter that there is no political message. I disagree with.
I completely disagree with that, especially in context of nine

(28:56):
when it was cold. Yeah, I don't know. I love
that you point that out, meat, because we cannot divorce
this from the context of time in which it occurred.
We are as a species at that point, uh, possibly
closer to nuclear war than we have been at any

(29:18):
time definitely before or a since World War Two. And
now another another factor we forget is that these two
gigantic superpowers are fighting proxy wars throughout the country. And
this is the These are the days before widespread internet,
So the average person was going after work very hard

(29:39):
to have more of an international understanding. Right. Yeah, investigative
journalism was better, That's just a fact. But the problem
is that fewer people had access to diverse sources of information.
And the reason I think that all of us are
having a hard time separating this from a policy medical context,

(30:02):
as they're talking about the rule of law on a
global scale, which is itself a political opinion. What don't
you think absolutely? I mean, and as you say, it's
almost like there's a a very palpable desire need, if
you will, to combat the potential for hysteria and and

(30:23):
and losing that rationality and that sense of reason and
just completely falling victim to you know, the hysteria of
the time, which was Cold war paranoia, the idea that we,
you know, may not be long for this world, you know,
and and finding a way to kind of come together

(30:45):
as humans. And let's not forget that this also there's
a lot here that might lead one to believe this
is maybe for after the bombs fall. That's that's exactly
my thought. It's if bombs do fall on us soil
and this one remote part of Georgia remains somewhat unaffected,
and as people continue to like rebuild after some disaster

(31:08):
like that, you happen upon it and you can read
it because it's in all the languages, and you make
a new society. Yeah. I think that's an excellent point.
And it's got to be in the reckoning there, because
the things that tend to last the longest out of
human made, anything made by humanity, will will tend to

(31:29):
be very on. When I say primitive, I just mean
they don't have a lot of moving parts, but very
unsophisticated things nounds in the ground, burial mounds, stone work
works of stone. And this reminds me of something that
we may have talked about on the show before, which
was when NASA started asking people how we would um

(31:54):
neces start asking people how we would protect future generations
or even extraterrestrial species from radiation sites, nuclear fallout, or
nuclear waste. Right, because the half life math there is tremendous,
and it's completely possible that the US could fall, the

(32:16):
bombs could drop, civilization could like go down into just
a tiny uh Tinese stuttering match flame and then later
rekindle and people are finding out these new continents and stuff,
and then they boom, they stumble onto a toxic wasting
and like the last uh fertile humans die. That was

(32:38):
the fear, and they came up with all these weird,
um very creative things like hey, let's get cats or
plants that grow in the presence of radiation, or let's
have big stonework warnings. But I think you guys are
absolutely right. I think it is intended for post disaster
because it's built pretty far inland. So even if climate

(33:00):
change projections of the time were but you know, as
catastrophic as it might have been, then it still wouldn't
be underwater. Well, and again it's at the it's the
highest point in Elburn County. It is a high place
and it's flat. So um. Mr Christian did tell why
Martin that he chose Alberton because of a the quality

(33:22):
and availability of the granite, and the personnel that it
would take to construct such a monument, and more importantly
even the conditions the climate. You know, the location and
these things you're talking about with it being inland the
way it was and the elevation, making it um a
place that could serve as a rallying point, you know

(33:43):
if the bleep hit the fan, with the bleep hit
the fan. Yeah, that's uh, that's it's interesting. I wonder
how many survivalist preppers have that plan. It's like, all right,
if it goes down, meet meet the stones. I like
that seventy two hours. I don't know. I mean, yeah,
it might not be very helpful in gathering food and stuff. Hey,

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you'd have some horses right there, though, at least I
think it's a nice idea, but there's a lot of
ideas that maybe are not so nice, and I think
maybe where we go now on this show, as we
get little granular with him, pull this thing apart, talk
about each one. But first let's take a quick break. So,

(34:30):
as we said earlier, there are ten commandments, or as
our friend RC likes to call them, precepts carved into
these stones, and we're looking let's look at each of them, uh,
during the time of their construction in the nineteen eighties
and compare those changes or the global progress may or
lost from then to now at the end of sixteen.

(34:51):
So what's first? The first one is maintain humanity under
five hundred million in perpetual balance with the nature. Lot
to unpack here, Yeah, that, I mean it just okay, well,
well why is this? Why does this feel strange when
you hear that? Well, it obviously hasn't happened yet. And

(35:12):
in nineteen eighty when this monument was built, there were
in estimated four billion, four hundred and fifty three million,
eight hundred and thirty one thousand, seven hundred and fourteen
rough estimated people on planet Earth at that time. Now,
you know we don't have to exactly do the math
here to let you know that five million is significantly

(35:34):
fewer than the number of people that existed at the time,
which brings us back to our eugenics discussions. Right. So
the big question that the guide zones imply, or the
question that conjures up immediately, is what happens to these
more than four billion people who around in So this

(35:58):
gives us another, um, this is us another leg to
our argument that this was meant to be read by
survivors of something what happened to all those people? That's true. Um.
There is another possibility though, that Mr Christian did in
fact support the idea of calling you know, the undesirable element,

(36:23):
shall we say from the population, that there needed to
be some sort of separating the wheat from the chaff?
Shall we say for this new society? Careful? Well, I am,
but I actually have here, uh in my hands a
book UM called common Sense renewed the Georgia Guidestones by

(36:44):
Robert Christian, and this was distributed. It was given out
for free at the Albert Library for years. They have
them on file there and I believe they had copies
that you could actually get. He left them with Mr
Martin and asked that he makes them available to people.
I have a copyer. I don't think there are tons left.
But the very first the preface starts like this. At

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harvest time, primitive farmers separate their grain by beating the
stalks with flails on a threshing floor. They removed the
loose straw, leaving a residue of grain, chaff, and dust.
This mixture is purified by winnowing, tossing it into the
air to permit the empty husks and useless debris to

(37:31):
be carried away on the wind. The grain kernels fall
back where they can be recovered and put to use
by the community. So what's fascinating there is that's clearly
that clearly implies something for our second precept that's coming
up here too, um, But there are numerous things that

(37:53):
show up in in fiction and in international affairs and
real politics where people are saying, you know, this side
the egg omelet argument, right, you got to break a
ton of eggs to make that delicious Colorado to build
a better omelet. Right, And obviously, no matter how you
look at it right now, as often this hasn't worked.

(38:16):
As of sixteen there are over seven point four billion
people alive, and there's an estimated eighty million more on
the way in seventeen unless the winnowing begins. The second one,
the one that I think fascinates the three of us immensely,
is guide reproduction wisely improving fitness and diversity. And this

(38:41):
is also exactly what um Robert Christians talking about here.
It's obviously an argument for eugenics, which itself has been
the rationale for numerous horrific crimes, genocides, forced sterilizations, other
other strange shoot medical experiment and during various points of

(39:01):
history it's been lauded as a way to improve humanity,
though hopefully we can all understand how improving something might
mean very different things to different people. Who right right.
And it's true that while there are more people being born,
the pattern of birth birthrates is changing geographically. The majority

(39:22):
of First World developed nations are experiencing and decline in
birth rates, that Japan being one of the most um
one of the most extreme examples. And if we look
to the future we walk a little past. What we're
seeing is the idea that eugenics may be easier and
more customizable than ever before uh, we may become a

(39:47):
species wherein thanks to gene editing technology, we don't have
people practicing genocides so much as we have people editing
genes of fetuses, unborn children, getting that crisper out, getting
the crisper out. Yep. Crisper the famous gene editing software
which was recently used on human material for the first time,

(40:11):
and God, it sounds messed up to call it human material. Yep.
Speaking of that stuff, here's another quote from a chapter
in the book UH Common Sensor newd by Robert Christian,
chapter called cultural evolution Um. The science of genetics has
provided us with rudimentary understanding of the manner in which
a human body and brain developed from a single living cell,
the fertilized ovum. That tiny miracle combines contributions from two

(40:35):
parents and approximately equal proportions. It's central nucleus contains a
genetic blueprint which spells out the general characteristics of our species,
together with the minor variations which determine our racial and
individual features. Our greatest acquired feature is invisible and intangible.
It is our total cultural heritage, the composite of knowledge

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which is maintained and transferred in our libraries and in
the information stores of our arts and sciences, our trades, traditions,
and all the complex living patterns of human society. The
capacity for assimilating that heritage and in enriching it is
mysteriously contained in the trillion or more cells which constitute
the living brain, and each of us collectively, these features

(41:20):
determine our national and individual awareness and our character. Alright,
So the argument there that culture is the most important thing.
The learning, actually the learning of the dead and our predecessors,
would be the most important thing carried by our um,
carried by our human brains, right or whatever, We build

(41:44):
a function as a proxy for a human brain. Uh.
There is a dangerous part here with eugenics, of course,
which is the idea of breeding programs. That sounds fun. Well,
we know that the Nazi Party tried it to create
their perf aryan there um, and many you know, insipid

(42:05):
so called royals or aristocrats have made essentially made incest
a family tradition, and that happened to their massive disadvantage.
I mean, look at look at the deformities of King Tutt,
look at the jaws of the Habsburgs, look at the
web of grossly intertwined families that are still somehow treated
as the tribal mascots of Europe. It's not just a

(42:28):
lanister thing. And did you know that China, the nation
of China uh allegedly used a breeding program to create
the famous basketball player uh Yao Ming. Yeah, and you
can read reports of this because China asked to very
tall basketball players, his father being six foot seven and

(42:51):
his mom being six three two, essentially breed together and
see if they if their children would be tall, alert
and then boom. For now, there is no publicly acknowledged
widespread eugenics program or breeding program, although generational family based

(43:12):
discrimination is almost certainly functioning in a eugenistic way, by,
for instance, North Korea's North Korea's collective punishment system, which says,
if if someone violates a law, then uh their family
three generations up, three generations down off, which means that

(43:34):
entire family, you know, lines are are being lost. Here's
another one, unite humanity with a new living language. I
feel like this also is a big part of of
what you mentioned earlier, been about how they're It just
wasn't as easy to get information, especially in an increasingly

(43:55):
global society, global world um where there are years of
outside invaders coming and challenging our way of life. The
idea here being that if we could communicate with our
enemies in the same language, using the same tongue, that
maybe we could find more common ground. Perhaps. I mean,
I think overall a lot of the messages of the

(44:17):
guidestones are one of peace and environmentalism and sort of
taking care of what you have and nurturing relationships. And
I think that's that's how it speaks to me. What
do you guys think. I don't know if this is correct,
but I believe that English would be the closest thing
that we could call a universal language that exists on
the planet today. In yeah, it's the okay. So there's

(44:39):
a difference between what would be a constructed language and
then a language like English, right, or a language like Mandarin.
So many people have made attempts to create a global
language before the Georgia Guidestones were a thing, and one
of the most famous is Esperanto. There's uh, there's an
Esperanto film starring William Schattner. I think we talked a

(45:00):
little bit about Esperanto on a on another trip. Uh,
But it never it never caught on And Matt, you're
absolutely right. Currently English, let's consider it the de facto
language of business. So there are more people in raw
numbers being native speakers of Mandarin for instance, right, or

(45:22):
Chinese language. However, there are more and more people who
are speaking English in their common Like let's say you
spoke German and you spoke Spanish, and you spoke English,
and Nol spoke Russian, and Noll spoke uh Swahili and

(45:42):
also English, then of course would naturally converse in English,
but it's still not the not the world's language yet.
And like you said, Noll, the rise of this incredibly
cheap communication now the fact that we can have essentially
the same kind of conversation if you live in Thailand
and I lived in Um. What's far away from Thailand,

(46:05):
that's not here Australia, Australia. What I meant originally was,
at the time, we didn't have that kind of instantaneous
communication the way we do now. In nineteen seventy nine,
it was much more difficult to get instantaneous news and information.
Like you said, there was better quality of news, but
it certainly wasn't as readily available to all people, and

(46:26):
it wouldn't be as easy to find out what was
going on in Russia, you know, or have a one
on one conversation with somebody who has perceived as being
like an enemy. I think the idea here to have
to unify people with a living new language is the
idea of bringing people together by getting rid of those

(46:47):
language barriers. So in a way, technology and the internet
has sort of achieved this precept. From where we stand today,
well I did. I think it's definitely eroded it and
they don't think gets eliminated. But but it also goes
to another bigger question. How do we define a language?
This is this is something that's important because clearly, clearly

(47:11):
the authors of the guide some precepts mean to define
a language as something like we're speaking English now right,
or however we're translated on your television. But is math
a language, because if so, then the majority of the
world speaks it to one degree or another. And you know,
we've always talked about extraterrestrials or how you would communicate

(47:34):
with an entirely alien species of some sort, it would
probably be something like math um. But there are all
lot of things you can't express in math, you know
what I mean, Like you can't uh there, there's a
certain poetry to it, but it's not the same as
the language is we're speaking and then his music a language,

(47:54):
right would you would there be ever being an encounter
with someone where you would be able to communicate entirely
through music or even like body language, where that can
differ significantly across cultures, as can music. But there are
things about music that seem to cross cultural barriers, like

(48:15):
in terms of a feeling of reverence or or like
you know, having the you know, the hairs stand up
on the back of your neck when a particular passage
of some Beethoven is played, you know beautifully. Um, can
you communicate thoughts and concepts? I mean, you can paint
a picture, but it's very blunt, kind of like you

(48:36):
can't really get into specifics you know, where you have
like us the score to Peter in the Wolf for example,
where you have you know, the duck is a particular
instrument and you can kind of picture a duck waddling
around or something like that, But then you can't get
much more specific than that if you used music, like
like in close encounters for example, where you used music

(48:57):
to represent intervals, which are then translated to math, to
a type of code and Marse code or what have you.
You know you could communicate things that way. Yeah, and
we know that maybe a computer code could be used
in a similar way. If we go back to example
of one person speaking German, one speaking Russian, uh, and
they both are using the same sort of code, computer code,

(49:22):
then it's possible that what they would be doing is
like communication. But I love that you point out that
music has more of an a mode of emotional content,
because you could. We can hear Peter and the Wolf,
which is a great example. We can hear in the
Hall of the Mountain King and get the fact that
things are going crazy there. But we can't listen to

(49:42):
an instrumental if we don't know how to tie our
shoes and expect to teach us how to do that. Right,
we need words for certain things unless you're using emojis,
and that's the new language, because it would essentially be
like hieroglyphics, but digital and universal. Yeah, idiograms, pictograms. That's fascinating. Well,

(50:04):
what what about this next? What about ruling, passion, faith,
tradition and all things with tempered reason. There's the R
word again. I just think that comes back to not
getting carried away with, you know, the paranoias and the
burdens of our time. You know, we could could probably
use that advice where we are right now with what's

(50:26):
going on politically, and a lot of people are very
paranoid and concerned. The idea of sort of ruling your
emotional life with some measured form of reason and kind
of tamping down your base or instincts to just fly
off the handle and you know, go to war, be

(50:46):
it with your neighbor, you know, or on a global scale.
I just think that it's sort of just encouraging people
to like think things through and not fly off the handle,
you know. You know, I took it as an argument
against religious extreme animism as well as ideological uh. And
I was looking at this in Nighties sixteen. There's a

(51:08):
clear trend towards secularism in the US and in Western Europe,
but in other parts of the world there's a clear
trend toward what it is often called extremist ideology, right. Uh.
And when I say that, I don't mean just one
particular faith. I'm talking about different areas of the world.
So the amount of people in the U s who

(51:28):
say they're absolutely certain God exists has dropped from seventy
one percent in two thousand and seven to sixty three
in two thousand fourteen. UH and the amount of people
who identified as non religious, agnostic or atheistic has increased
UM and in the US, the population people who believe

(51:50):
in in some sort of God is UH far higher
than most other developed countries, but it's still slowly declining
um um UM over over about the same time span
UH since the Pew Research Center conducted their first religious

(52:11):
landscape study UM and now the religious religiously unaffiliated, which
is slightly different the people who say, well, I'm none,
I'm not an atheist. I'm not you know, a Catholic
or um a shape, a shaker. The religiously unaffiliated, the

(52:32):
people who don't consider themselves you know, Catholic, or or
Muslim or a Jehovah witness, where an atheist at all
has increased. People who like that was the population called
the nuns who just put none in o n e
UH has increased in the current age, which is strange.

(52:55):
But I I like the way you're looking at it
more than you know. I think it's better for it
to be an argument of let's be reasonable rather than
an argument against religion, which is what it could be
against religious extremism. But I don't think it's against spirituality
in general. Well, and it's also the the language here

(53:20):
is very specific. It says rule, passion, faith, tradition and
all things. Well. Yeah, the so the people that are
either in charge of it or you know, in some
way that I guess the religious leaders like this. It's
a direct message to that person. Um. That's interesting to
me because it feels like I don't want to I

(53:43):
don't want to say patriarchal can control because it's not
you know, specifying any kind of gender or anything like that.
But it just feels like that the your leader will
control these things with reason or make it. It seems
like there's a hierarchy definitely of how to priority stuff, right.
And I think that many of the precepts on here

(54:04):
are specifically directed at government, and then I think some
of them can be um made more personal as well,
you know. I think that's what something that's interesting about
the language of these precepts is that a lot of
them are clearly advice for setting up a government or
for changing a government for the better. But a lot
of them can kind of are twofold where you can

(54:26):
sort of apply them to your own philosophy, in your
own way of thinking, just as a human person. Yeah,
there's a code of Hammurabi kind of thing going on here,
which is exactly as you said, to establish a civilization,
or to establish an ideal civilization. Well, what's next? Where
where are we at with the next precept? The next

(54:47):
commandment states that we should protect people in nations with
fair laws and just courts. Sounds pretty straightforward, sounds like
a good idea to me, open ended though it is. Yeah,
is it? Is it fair? I don't know? Or what?

(55:07):
Do you look at the words fair and just? I
guess definition of those isn't that Fox News is tagline
fair just now more than ever? Uh? Yeah, it's It's
interesting because it makes me wonder too if this is
similar to Asimov's fictional laws of robotics, which are also
hierarchical in that the first one establishes everything and the

(55:30):
later ones build off that. So maybe that's interesting. Yeah,
So maybe these are put in this order to build
like you can't do you can't do this one unless
you've achieved ruling your passions, faith in tradition, and all
things with that temperate reason. Exactly, if you don't have
that down, then your courts and your laws are gonna

(55:51):
be all kinds of messed up. Right. Yeah, Let's consider,
for example, many practitioners of various religions that have a
legal system encoded in the religion will consider that religions
um that religion's legal system the only true, fair and
just rule of law. Even if it's a religion that

(56:12):
says destroy nonbelievers, that'll they'll just seem like fair and just.
But it doesn't seem so if you're not ruling, you know,
temperate things with reason. And obviously I think the Guide
Stones architects would take exception to that. Now, the United
Nations existed in the eighties, right when when the Guide

(56:32):
Since were being built, but the International Criminal Court did
not exist until the Rome Statute in the late nineties
and only became active in the early two thousands. So
we could say that if this um, we could say that,
if we're protecting people and nations, that the International Criminal

(56:53):
Court is a step forward in that direction. So that's progress. However,
people's still argue back and forth over whether dear National
Criminal Court a works there's be effective and the US
is not a signatory and probably never will be. Do
you feel like some of this is a comment on

(57:14):
the state of the United Nations and like how to
make it better, sort of a critique of it not
being all that it's cracked up to be. I think
I think it's in support of it. Um. I feel
like it's definitely I think they see parts of the
United Nations as a model. I think it's a mix,

(57:34):
But I don't think they believe in the United Nations specifically.
They believe in some sort of peaceful global enterprise. Um.
The word enterprise, for instance, makes you know what they
believe in. It sounds like a Star Trek world. You
know how in the world of Star Trek Earth is utopian.

(57:57):
So why I'm still on the fence about all this
eugenic stuff. I mean, I read some passages from the
book and there is some language in here that is
a little bit troubling, But at the same time, it's
just not in line with so many of the other precepts.
So many of them seem to be focusing on peace
and harmony, and you know, being one with nature as

(58:19):
we'll get to, you know. So I just I I
don't know that I believe that Mr Christian was in
fact into the idea of of killing off a huge
percentage of the population. I think it was more of
a after the bomb's false scenario, how do we deal
with those that survive? How do we create a society

(58:40):
that will encourage reason over you know, hysteria and paranoia
and you know, killing your brother to get something better
for yourself, that kind of thing. If you want to
go dystopian with it, then maybe the eugenics at that point,
post apocalyptic genics would be a matter of survival, right.

(59:02):
Maybe there are certain um mutations or deficiencies that occur,
like exposure to long long term exposure intergenerational to radiation
may mean that only certain people can or should um
or viruses like Zeka, you know, if it, yeah, somehow

(59:24):
travels through a line, then yeah, that I mean, that's
that's a really good point. And then also we have
to think maybe they were writing by committee, you know
what I mean, Maybe just like the Founding Fathers had
different aims. Maybe there was just one guy there who
was super into eugenics and they said, okay, well you
have to help us build these stones. We'll put a
little in there just before we get too far away

(59:45):
from the International Criminal Court. I don't know if you
guys saw the news today that Russia withdrew from the
International Criminal Court, and earlier this year in several African
states withdrew from the International Criminal Court. It's weird see
the International Criminal Court losing sway with with parts of
the world right now. Yeah, and that brings us to

(01:00:07):
the next precept, which is let all nations rule internally,
resolving external disputes in a world court. So on paper,
we talked about the i c C and other international
systems that help resolve international issues. However, one thing that's
not mentioned in the Guide Stones precepts at all is

(01:00:28):
the rise of corporate entities and the fact that in
numerous situations now, especially with virgeny legislation like the t
p P Trans Pacific Partnership, what we're seeing is that
some external corporations are able to affect the internal functions

(01:00:49):
of state actors of countries, you know, And we don't
need to go to court man with the country. We'll
just have a tribunal, uh, separately, on our own. It'll
be fine. You don't have to worry about it. And
there's no question that numerous countries since before the nineteen
eighties and then after the nineteen eighties have been interfering
with the internal functions of other other states. The US

(01:01:12):
is an extreme example. The US has interfered legally and
illegally and in gray areas in multiple countries throughout the world.
And not to say the US is the only person,
the only entity doing this. Russia has done the same
with crimea right in the Ukraine. China has famously done
the same with the expansion in what it's called the

(01:01:34):
South China. See basically, the superpowers do it. Yeah, the
superpowers do it? Do we live in a world where
might is right? The architects of the guide stones are
arguing that we should not, But so far we haven't
made as much progress on that one. And then here's
the one that remember earlier we said, uh, we said
that we don't agree with the idea that these are

(01:01:57):
not of a political nature. Absolutely, what what do you
think with What do you think of this next one?
It's it's probably the most middle finger precept of the bunch.
I would say avoid petty laws and useless officials. I
read that, I thought, what happened? It's like a mic
drop right there. You know, it feels like it's personal, right,

(01:02:22):
like somebody in the committee or whoever came up with
these didn't like somebody who was either in charge of
his group that he was with, and he wrote this one.
I think he wrote it on purpose for one person. Well,
if we consider Congress a group of officials, then the
American public certainly ranks them as largely useless. I mean,

(01:02:43):
their approval numbers are in the tank. Yeah, I man
not to mention petty. I mean it's it's it's all
of this, you know, back and forth. I'm gonna block
anything that you could possibly want to do, you know,
if it kills me. I mean, it's not even about progress,
it's about winning. Yeah, it's about progress of the party,

(01:03:04):
none of the country. Yeah, you know what I didn't
think about that. You're absolutely right, that is petty. And
what makes a law of petty? What makes an official useless? Uh? No,
I think you had the best answer for that, um.
But a lot of our listeners are going to have
very different answers depending on political opinions. It's another very
open ended one here. So this is all about like

(01:03:25):
how you look at it and who you think is
you know, I mean, and it all depends on whether
they're doing something for you or not a lot of time.
And like Matt pointed out at the very beginning, Uh,
since they are anonymous, we don't have a way to
contact them and say, hey, what's up with that one?

(01:03:47):
Who did you write this about a specific congress person?
And the other one? Balancing personal rights with social duties?
The next precepts seems like it's an argument for good citizenship. Um,
you know, voting, pay taxes and so on. If that's
the case, well we haven't made that much progress either.
Voting rates remain laughably low. Uh. The US elected a

(01:04:07):
president who bragged about never paying taxes and you know
whether you support that, uh that president elect or not. Um.
It also seems largely legal, but it's also completely true.
So what is what is the conflict between a personal
right and a social duty? That feels a little open

(01:04:28):
ended to me because your social duties vary depending upon
the community or the or the civilization in which you live.
To me, though, this is almost like a socialist kind
of thing sounding like or even you can go as
far as saying communists, it's saying, you know, for the
greater good, I will give up my personal rights for
the greater good of the community. So it is my

(01:04:51):
social duty to limit my personal freedoms for the greater good.
That's just how it sounds to me. I don't know
about you gus. To me, that sounds very star our trek,
And I know that may sound counterintuitive to a lot
of people. Needs of the many. Well, yeah, but if
you think about the way the enterprise function, Oh wow,
I sound like such a dork. Okay, I'm gonna keep going.

(01:05:13):
You think about what all of the inhabitants of the
enterprise got to do. I mean, there was a holidack
where you could, I guess, give us let off some
steam or something like that. But in the the interactions
amongst all of the crew members, you had to be
very straightforward, very I mean even keel. Like, nobody is

(01:05:34):
going off the handle, having a fight or getting super
super drunk. It just doesn't happen because they're greater duties,
your paced, your passion, faith, your tradition, all things with
that temperate reason, you know, not flying off the handle,
keeping it cool and calm and collected. I feel like
this is another one that speaks both to a system

(01:05:54):
of government that could impose this kind of thinking on you,
and also just to this is just how you should
be a good guy, good good gal, good good human citizen.
You know, I think that it can be seen both ways,
as as many of these can. We're getting down to
it now, guys. I know we've been at this for
a minute. This is probably our longest ever episode, but
let's soldier forth. Yeah, we just had a few more.

(01:06:16):
This is the This is the most open ended prize, truth, beauty, love, seeking,
harmony with the infinite. Who has the closest me that
is the closest thing to God in this entire affair,
because it's it's it's made a lot of effort to
be very secular, as we talked about, it really does.
Even in that letter I read from Mr Christian, he

(01:06:37):
talks about how they purposely left out any specific mention
of a religion of a god, and none is there.
And you know, um, I know atheists that still think
about the idea of the universe or the idea of
the something, some force that moves through things that is

(01:07:01):
sort of what one might consider calling God and and
and this is the reference there, I think when seeking
harmony with the infinite. Yeah, it seems like it's an
argument of some sort of secular, meditative approach to being
self aware of your place in the universe. Right, how
could you be mad about that? It would be my
my response. But it brings us to speaking harmony in

(01:07:24):
the infinite. The very last one and one of the
most important, and I would say crucial for our time,
be not a cancer on the earth. Leave room for nature,
Leave room for nature. Yeah, twice, says it, twice in
a row. There, it's the last one. Yeah. Um, I

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gotta say this. This one hits home for me a
little bit. I think maybe I listened to too much
Joe Rogan, uh, at least back in the day, like
two thousand twelve Joe Rogan where he discusses flying in
a plane over cities as opposed to flying over natural areas,
wooded areas, mountain ranges and stuff like that. And I'm

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paraphrasing Rogan here, but he's just saying, which one of
those looks like a tumor when you're that high up
and you're looking down on the Earth itself. If you
imagine it as a living being, the tumor is the
city with all this jagged, nasty metal shooting up out
of it. And then you've got streams and water running
over here with these with plants and animals running around

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and all that. I don't know, I feel that, I
feel that, I feel like we may be really bad
for this planet as a species. Well, you know, the
Earth is uh, the Earth is definitely in the age
of man, the anthropossyne. Uh. The Earth was covered by
approximately fourteen point eight billion acres of forest about eight

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thousand years ago. Has a repercussion of human exploitation. Only
about eight point six billion remain in The highest rates
of d forced station occurred during the last fifty years
from nineteen to Brazil alone lost over ninety one million
acres of rainforest. During the time of the Guide Stones construction,

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Earth was already undergoing what is called a global mass extinction,
and it continues today at a break neck pace. And
this is not a what is it? This is not
like a Sierra Club uh pea score greenpeace lecture. This
is just these are facts. But that kind of thinking

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was very popular in nineteen seventy nine and nineteen eighty.
You know this idea of conservation, I remember, you know, recycle, reduce,
reuse um. I mean this was in the early nineties
even for me, But I think a lot of that
stuff began around that time, and it was kind of
sort of entering the public consciousness a little more than
it had. People were accepting that maybe all this industrialization

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isn't the best thing in the whole world, you know,
especially with how unevenly it has occurred in parts of
the world. And then furthermore, sometimes people reject an environmentalist
argument out of hand, which is clearly this is an
environmentalist argument. The last part leave room for nature. However,

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there's another bent that a lot of people don't consider,
which is the biotechnological part human beings. The more we
are learning as scientists and as inventors, the more we
are learning about the natural world, the more we are
learning that our best technology just imitates a concept that
already exists there. So when things go extinct, or when
systems become corrupt or defunct or they don't function, what

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we are losing is the best functioning technology on the planet,
and it is not within our capability to replace it
after a certain point. So if someone is bothered by
if someone's like the rainforest is abstract, that doesn't matter,
That doesn't affect the price of breakfast, cereal or whatever.

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They'll think of it that way. Think of it as
a computer that a computer that you can't fix, a
machine that you can't create enough replacement parts for. Think
of that breaking and think of it more like, um,
the way you would think of being on a boat

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in the open water and the engine is slowly breaking
down and the whole is disintegrating, and you start to
realize that you can swim for a little bit, but
not forever. I mean, at our best, at the height
of you know, the human races intellect and ability to innovate,

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Have we even really come close to matching a system
like the rainforest or you know, like the way weather works.
Have we figured out how to harness that? No, not
even close, you know? And I think that's that's a
that's pretty forward thinking, um of the creators of this
monument to put that in uh. And it's true right now,

(01:12:04):
I think than than ever. And now we can we
can say that the time of the recording, uh, the
guide stones still exists. They're except for the drive there.
Once you get there is very easy to access. There's
no there's no one who will stop you from They

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are monitored. There are cameras, and those were only put
up after so many attempts to tear the things down
and vandalize them. And I think they are periodically still
you know, hit with with spray paint and things like that,
but they are very quickly repaired. Someone's actively someone's actively
funding them and monitoring them. But you know, you're not

(01:12:48):
being watched per se, you know. I mean, it's you
can go there and just enjoy them. It's a very
peaceful place just out on this field, just a very
small narrow state road. You just hear the occasional sound
of a car are whistling past, and it's an interesting
place to go and just kind of collect your thoughts
and um, it's been a lot of fun talking about

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it with you guys, that's for sure. Well, it's also
actively visited still. When we were there, several families came
with children to explore it and look at it and
go through it, but not a ton right there for
a while, and there were maybe you know, two or
three other people that came. No, there were I think
I counted eight the second day that we were in

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the groups, is what I mean. I guess I got
that came together, you know. So it's not like you
go and it's just teaming with people. But you can
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(01:13:52):
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(01:14:16):
has no All pointed out, probably the longest single episode
we've ever done. But we hope that you enjoyed this
look at the look at the guidestones in depth and
on behalf of it. Not to speak too much for us, Matt,
but on on behalf of the other two parts of
the show, I want to thank you for giving us

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and giving the audiences such a um, such an unheard
of look behind the screen of the official story regarding
the Georgia guidestones. Yeah. And then one point that I
didn't even mention is um and if you guys are
interested in anybody wants to see the little documentary, may
would be glad to shoot out a link I'm at

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does exist. Um. But Mr Martin gave me all of
the documents that he had that he basically just wanted
to unburden himself with this thing, so he gave me
everything that he had that didn't point to Mr Christian's
true identity and everything else we destroyed. You wait, you destroyed? Well,

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he did, and I filmed it. What and that's actually
in the film if you want to see a spoiler alert,
but it's I think it's important to know that he's
the only one that knows he is not going to
be around for too much longer he has passed away.
Robert Christian, he did, he didn't. He did say that much.

(01:15:43):
He was he was called by his daughter. Oh another
thing to just want to mention the last thing, Uh,
this was a family affair. Mr Mr Martin did tell
me that much that this was this group he represented,
that many of them were his family members us and
what Yeah, and I like that we're ending with a

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