September 22, 2017 • 68 mins
Ben, Matt and Noel record new episodes every Friday -- this afternoon, they're in the studio one day before a group of people believes the world will end on September 23rd, 2017. Join the gang as they take a closer look at the group's reasoning, and settle a few conspiratorial scores before civilization as we know (possibly) collapses.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
From UFOs to psychic power. Since government conspiracies, history is
riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or
learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello,
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and welcome back to the show. My name is Matt.
Noel is not with us today. They call me Ben.
You are you? It just might be the end of
the world. Welcome to stuff they don't want you to know.
They already got an old like quite possibly, quite possibly.
Uh So this is a this is a weird thing
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that we found out about a couple of weeks ago,
and we've been looking into this off the air ever since.
We wanted to bring it to you. Our episodes come
out on Friday's typically, and that means that if you
are listening to this podcast the day it comes out,
then it is September twenty two, two thousand and seventeen,
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you you have hours to live merror hours. According to
some people, several of whom we will examine in depth today.
Uh that is the day before the beginning of the
end of the world, on September twenty three, two thousand
and seventeen. Oh boy, this is a doozy one. Everyone.
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I cannot wait to delve into it with you. So
let's look at the current science thinking about the end
of the world. So it can it can occur in
any number of ways. We've talked about some of these
before in the past. Gamma ray bursts, you know, nukes,
Nukes could end the world. Well, they could at least
end humanity, maybe not all life. Uh, they're impact events.
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They're they're definitely in the running than we're talking what else.
Oh yeah, an impact event is when an extra terrestrial
object and object from the heavens, not like a a
beanie baby owned by an extra terrestrial Uh, the right,
an asteroid meteor comment, what have you? A gigantic space
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rock physically hits Earth. Uh. Yeah, well, yeah it is.
It's kind of also, Uh, it gives us a sense
of hopelessness, because forget what Armageddons showed you. That's a
blockbuster film from yester year. There's not really a proven
or reliable way to deflect something that size. If humanity
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does not win any of these morbid lotteries, the most
probable final curtain call for planet Earth as we know
it will be absorption by the Sun in about seven
point five billion years seven point five nine actually after
the Sun becomes a red giant and physically expands beyond
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Earth's orbit, So it's like it's eating the planet. Yeah,
and well what can you do about that? Um, just
get off, get away, go to a different place. I mean,
longing story short, that's a real kick in the pants.
So far as we know, it's unavoidable unless our particular
brand of ape grose much much more intelligent beforehand. And
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you know, we've got a little bit of a runway,
assuming we don't kill each other in the interim, right, Yeah, yeah,
that runway is pretty wide. I accept it. However, according
to this group that we got a notification from via email, uh,
certain astronomical and or astrological signs point to the beginning
of the end occurring this year. As we said, if
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you are listening to this the day it came out, tomorrow,
it's happening tomorrow. Call your mom for real. You should
just call her anyway, you knows, just the case if
you could call your mom's say hi. Uh. So, we're
gonna look at the nature of this group, it's motivations,
it's fears and all, perhaps most importantly, the logic behind
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its beliefs. We need to delve into religious sources. So
as always, uh, we would like to issue the following disclaimer.
We're not telling you what to believe, that's up to you.
We are reporting what the this group believes, right needs
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followers of the Sign, and of course, if there are
views of theirs with which you don't agree, we invite
you to write into us via your favorite social media
platform or our email and uh, you know, let us
know what you think they got right or wrong. Yeah.
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In the source material that we're using for this is
the Bible, specifically the New International Version. So we're gonna
read some of that as we try and piece together
what this group believes. And let's fast forward pass the
part about the the echo chamber and the telephone game
of very areas self serving revisions or iterations of the Bible. Right,
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so we're jumping right in to the n I V. So,
whether you believe the Bible is the true word of
God or not, or just a book, you know, whatever
it is, one thing is for sure, Revelation is full
of some let's call it psychedelic visions, some material. Uh.
So let's get into the prologue of revelation in case
you're unaware of what it is. It's a vision that
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was given to John St. John who it was given
to him by God, and it was about essentially what's
going to occur on earth a bunch of these prophecies.
So he was told all of these prophecies when he
was quote in the spirit, and he was told they
were told to him by an angel or God or
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some representation of God. Um. That's kind of just the
t L d R. Allowed voice like a trumpet, yeah,
allowed voice like a trumpet. But it was this glowing
being that had a sword coming out of his mouth,
and it's the midst the the stuff that John describes
in that path in that book is is thought to
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be the prophecy of the return of Jesus Christ exactly. Okay,
so let's jump down to chapter twelve where there's a
specific vision given to John. So, I guess we should
just read this. Will you do a voice? No? Do
I want me to do a voice? Yeah? Sure. A
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great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with
the sun, with the moon under her feet and a
crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant
and cried out in pain as she was about to
give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous
red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven
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crowns on its heads. Its tail swept the of the
stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was
about to give birth, so that it might devour her
child the moment he was born. Wow, right, pretty psychedelic.
And as as a side note here, of course, personally,
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I'm I'm more of a fan of the archaic language
that's used in earlier iterations of the Bible. This is
this is a very interesting book to biblical scholars. Oh,
we should go ahead and say, you know, spoiler alert,
there's there's this huge war that breaks out in heaven. Uh.
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The angel Michael and his groove angels fight against the dragon.
The dragons also got some angels. Yeah, and dragon is
essentially in place for the devil here or Satan or
some version of that. Right, And uh, that's the story.
On a on a personal note, I have to say,
I know this does really applied to today's episode. I've
always preferred the more archaic, uh high faluting um in
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a little bit more obscure language of earlier iterations of
the Bible, but they will tend to say the same thing.
And this is a very fascinating book for biblical scholars.
You can read all sorts of theories about the authorship
of it um, the possible allegorical nature of the contents,
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and then I know some of us will of course
be aware of the theory that uh St John was
somehow hallucinating, sure, right, uh possibly do? I mean this
ties into the idea of whether or not people were
actively using hallucinogenic substances as a sacrament in in this
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time period. But there is whether you consider yourself a
Christian or someone with I guess Christian influences in your
own spiritual path. There's no two ways around it. There's
no four ways, there's no nine ways, pick a number,
There's no number of ways around it. Uh This particular passage,
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or this particular part of the book that is commonly
known as the Christian Bible, has left an indelible and
fundamental mark on the culture of humanity globally. You know,
even in even in places where there are no practicing Christians,
people are aware of the these sorts of passages and
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this sort of belief. So it's also um inspiration for
a lot of things in history and in the modern day.
And it's also often uh pointed to as inarguable or
solid proof of something. And the people who are are
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well in many cases, people who believe that the world
is going to end within their lifetimes and some doomsday
scenario do point to spiritual sources, and then a lot
of people who don't believe any spiritual sources or that
particular UM religious text will discount it based on that.
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So that's that's the crux of the argument. Yes, and
Revelation has been used as the blueprint for a lot
of those doomsday scenarios and predictions in the past. In
two thousand three it happened in it was used UM
and then like converted into the Mind calendar. And now
this latest one we're going to talk about today believes
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that this prophecy in Revelation deals with an astronomical alignment
of the stars as a sign. Here's where it gets crazy,
which I know happens a little early in this episode. Uh,
these stars are actually aligning, and Matt, I think you
can give us a little bit of a rough play
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by play of this. Yes, according to believers on September seventeen,
the stars and planets in the heavens above really will
be arranged to meet the exact specifications described in revelation.
So let's take a look as they interpret as they
as they interpret that this is yes, um. So if
you go in Stellarium, an open source planetarium, you can
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go like plug in the date and you can see
the following things. When you look towards the constellation Virgo.
It's a virgin character. It's important and let's let's get
into this really fast. So, uh, if we go back
to the story a woman clothed with the sun and
the moon under her feet, Well, guess what if you
look at the constellation Virgo, you're gonna see the sun
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near her left shoulder and the moon is gonna be
down at her left foot. Okay, check and check the
crown of twelve stars on this woman's head. The constant
aation Leo, which is located just above Virgo's head in
the sky. It's got nine bright stars that make up
the constellation, and it's going to be joined by Mercury,
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Venus and Mars, these three planets, which makes twelve bright
spots in the sky. If you're looking up. Okay, check Now,
the whole part about her giving birth is a little iffy.
But for the sake of argument, Jupiter, another planet, is
going to be near Virgo's left knee kind of and
her pelvic area down in there. Perhaps it can be
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viewed that Jupiter is being berthed from Virgo. So according
to these believers, this is the real deal. This is
the sign that everyone has been waiting for. Uh, and
surely is exactly what John had envisioned. And people also
think this alignment is somehow unique in human history. Is
that correct? Yeah, you'll you'll see it in videos and
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stayed all over the internet. So fast, fast, fast, fast
forward to the modern day sat John On is gone
to meet his reward. Right there's there's no one arguing,
and he is alive. Now. The idea is that he
saw something that would occur many many, many many years
after his physical demise. There is another piece of Lord
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that interacts here, and it is known as Niburu. Uh.
Long time listeners and fans of our video series are
former video series are familiar with Niburu. The alleged missing
planet or Planet X or Planet ten kind of like
an iPhone thing going on here. You know, let's paint
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some quick contextual background here, let's broad brush the scene.
There are multiple allegations of a hidden or undiscovered or
lost planet beyond the bounds of our known Solar system.
Planet X was this placeholder name that was used by
astronomers while they searched for a planet beyond Neptune's orbit, right,
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Because Pluto was discovered relatively recently in the scheme of things,
and the way that it was found is a fascinating
story in and of itself. What astronomers would do at
the most base level explanation, right, is like, if we
did it in just a couple of sentences, we would say,
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astronomers know what the orbit of a planet should be
based on the other objects they know exist, right, the
other planets in our Solar System and the Sun. And
then when they notice that there are anomalies or irregularities
in their perturbations, essentially, then they can say, well, something
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else must be exercising gravitational force here, and if we
calculate this correctly, then we could also uh know a
little bit more about whatever this unknown forces and then boom, Pluto.
They did find Pluto, and you're probably if you're old
enough to listen to a podcast, you're probably familiar with
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the idea of Pluto poor ever, the dwarf planet. Never
the planet Pluto. Pluto now officially exists as a dwarf
planet because they had some really difficult times drawing the
line of how to define a planet. Today, many people
who use the term planet X or nimburu use those
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phrases interchangeably, right like Zacharie Stitchen is an author who
does that. However, uh, nimburu as just a concept, It's
a little different. As ancient origins, it was a word
used by the Samarians most likely to describe heavenly character.
Matt just described earlier the planet Jupiter, and in Babylonian astronomy,
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nimburu refers to the equinox. But of course, not all
hidden planet theories are created equally or even given the
same degree of serious considerations. We have some examples of
different hidden planet I guess what would be the right
word theories? Yeah, probably the most fair word, um, And
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we have a few. We have a few favorites, Matt.
You have mentioned one from two thousand and three, right,
I just yeah, I just want to jump in here
and say that the second part of that vision, the
red dragon that appears out of nowhere, that is thought
too by these groups and by groups in the past
to be Niburu or Planet X, like it would make
an appearance if these if these stars aligned in this way.
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Very important. Thank you for thank you for putting that
in there, because now we see that this dragon, which
was commonly for a long time interpreted as Satan or Lucifer,
the fallen One or has Satan, is now also being
conflated with uh the dragon being heavenly, a physical, heavenly object.
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And then there are of course people who I imagine
would say, it's all of the above. Yeah, it's it
is a physical object, and it is the primary force
of darkness, ironically called the light Bringer. So let's uh yeah,
let's get into Oh man, that makes so much sense.
Been the light Bringer? This scary possibly sun or planet
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that just plows through it reminds me of the Fifth Element.
Do you remember the the planetary bad guy from the
Fifth Element? Yeah, who would talk to Gary Oldman exactly.
That's what I envisioned in my head when I think
about this thing. I never understood way at that plastic
plate on his forehead. Yeah, it was protective, I'm sure
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from what good taste, good fashion sense. Maybe water, Maybe
it's like a rain thing. He had a microchip in
there and it was you know, his head's poorous. Well yeah,
i've I've never I will probably never live in the
fifth element universe. So I don't have the I don't
have the wherewithal to criticize those choices. And you know what,
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Gary Oldman is a great actor. And if that was
his idea, and he's listening now, well, Mr Oldman, I
commend your performance. Uh. I may not agree with how
you got there, uh fashion wise, but who am I
just say? I can almost tell you that it was
not his choice. It's the end of the world, Matt Okay. So,
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in the early two thousands, this person named Nancy Leader
claimed the l I E D E Er. She claimed
that a tenth planet, planet X, would pass by Earth
in two thousand three, and because of the gravitational poll,
it would cause cataclysmic events and it might even bring
along an alien invasion. As you know, the people who
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live on that planet, hop off and come on down
and let's jump in here real quick, because this is
a very important thing to say. Whenever there is a
we're telling a prophecy of a disaster or a cataclysm,
or some some specific event to which cataclysmic events will
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be tied across the globe, it becomes so easy to
say that that prophecy was true, you know. Unfortunately that's
the nature of reality. If, for instance, um one of
us now were to have an epileptic seizure and come
out of it, Epileptic seizures oftentimes being confused with moments
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of prophecy throughout a lot of history. If one of
us were to have uh seizure and then come out
of it saying, well, in two thousand and nineteen, there's
going to be a flood, we would be correct, because
there are floods every year. Yeah, it gets a little
harder when you're talking about planets coming in from the
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orc cloud or you know, from far far away, because
it's harder to I'm just saying, it's like, there was
a I think he may have been a statistician who
made what appeared to be this spot on supernatural prophecy,
and it turned out that he just used statistical data
from earlier years to predict a plane crash which is
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also terrifying. Right, So, as far as we know, not
an alien invasion. Uh. There were cataclysmic events in two
thousand and three, but there were not reports of a large,
a planet sized object in close orbit with the Earth. Uh.
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This this led us to another thing that happens often
with doomsday scenarios, which is um it was sort of rationalized,
and after the two thousand three date passed, the story
became incorporated in the two thousand and twelve Mayan calendar
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apocalypse predict at the end of the mind calendar, there's
nothing else that happens after that on the calendar, so
it must be the end of the world, right, right.
I was at a Joe Rogan show that night. One.
Oh that's right. I think you mentioned that it's a
great show. Yeah, fantastic show. Joey, Coco Diaz was there,
and so was Dunk and Trusts. I'm glad. I'm glad
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all of you had a great time and made it
out alive. So, as we said, we mentioned Zachary Stitchen,
who writes a bit about this. As we said, planet
X and the Beru are often conflated. He refers to
this as the twelfth planet his original prediction was that
Nebru would return in twenty eight five. And right now, again,
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as you're listening to this, if it's the day before
the world ends, you gotta wonder, you gotta wonder what's
going through uh z Man's head right now, you know,
through through Mr stitchens head. Uh does he think that
his calculations were offered? Does he think that something different
is happening there? We mentioned that these are not all
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created equally. There was another thing, another event or proposal
of theory, much more recently, that came from the opposite
end of the spectrum. So there's the Cooper Belt, right
and in January, this is crazy of last year, there
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were some scientists, and we're talking mainstream scientists who went
on the news and said that there were eccentric orbits
in some of the bodies in the Couper Belt and
they could be explained by the presence of a ninth
not tenth. Remember, because by this time, Pluto's dwarf planet,
a ninth planet that was a bit less massive than
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Neptune or here your ainus. Yeah, yeah, oh man, that
joke never gets old. Uh, that this planet was a
bit less massive than those other two plants, and that
would move in an extremely eccentric orbit around the Sun,
and this orbit would take thousands of years to complete
ten years. It is crucial at this point to note
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that this is hypothetical thing, This is not accepted. Uh,
this is this is similar to um, this is just
a possible explanation. I was going to say that, similar
to the first proposals of continental drift, wherein one scientist
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said well I noticed these edges of continents and some
topographical features seem to line up, and that scientist was
pretty careful to say, I'm not saying how or why,
but I'm I'm just saying, look, yeah, it's the same
deal here. You're you're seeing their regularities and orbits of
objects A through X, and you think, well, perhaps there's
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object Z that would there that gravitational pool might be
the reason for this. That's all you can say. So yeah,
our point is that there are people also in the
Ivory Tower or the Ivory Observatory arguing that something may
indeed be up. Just as there are multiple allegations of
a hidden planet, there are multiple predictions for the behavior
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that is heavenly object. So it might hit Earth. That's
the that's the earth shatter. That was just the pop
sound out in space where nothing makes a sound unless
you're in the you know, as the atmosphere is getting destroyed,
it might come so close to Earth that it just
disrupts civilization. Like we're talking about earthquakes. We're talking about
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making things go a little crazy on there. Yes, yes,
sort of like like when a if you're stuck on
a crowded train and a really sweaty person and just
has to like squeeze by you and leave all their
weird juices on you and like you kind of survive,
but you smell. It's like that. But if you also
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had hurricanes and floods and earthquakes and and died, Oh yeah, exactly,
Oh and then um, exactly exactly. There's, of course the
third option, which is the biblical wormwood, a heavenly object
thought to be bright burning star that is also evil
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and corrupts what is the third of the planet. Yeah,
or you know, or are they actually talking about wormwood
or they actually talking about wormwood? So so far we've
given a little bit of a look at some of
the astrological astronomical happenings. Uh, some of the rough history
of Planet X slash New Buru, some of the worries
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about what could happen to the Earth, some of which
are very real. But we haven't talked specifically about the
people who believe that. You are quite possibly listening to
the very last podcast you will ever listen to. And
by the way, we are so flattered you chose us.
We will get to a story of one of the
most well known proponents of this theory after a word
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from our sponsors, and we're back. So earlier we mentioned believers,
but let's get a little more specific. If you look
into this um online or maybe at your local library
if it has a computer online at your local library,
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one of the most prominent and we're well known proponents
of this particular doomsday genre is a fellow named David Mead,
who is often described as a Christian numerologist. Yeah, and
you know, speaking of the libraryman, you might actually find
it there because David Mead has written several books and
one of them is called Planet X The Arrival, and
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in this he has has a number of arguments. His
argument really hinges and heavily relies on verses from the
Christian Bible coupled with what he perceives to be this
powerful numerological pattern hinging on the number thirty three. Yeah,
and there are several reasons that he has this belief.
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And according to himself, quote, Jesus lived for thirty three years.
The name Elohim, which is the name of God to
the Jews, was mentioned thirty three times in the Bible.
And it's also he thinks it's very significant numerologically to
the Bible itself. He says, I'm talking astronomy, I'm talking
the Bible and merging the two. Interesting. Yes. Interesting. Indeed,
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the latest or most recent heavenly phenomenon that a lot
of people are familiar with now would be the total
solar eclipse that took place just earlier this August August
twenty seventeen. And Meat also points out this was thirty
three days before September three. Man, I feel like it's
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going to be scrawled all over the walls pretty soon.
Jim Carey is going to come out And wasn't that
it was so? Yes, there there are these multiple instances
of people finding a particular number, and once they find it,
there's a little bit of a better mineh Hoff syndrome. Yes,
some you know a skeptic would say, which is, uh, No,
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You're not in some fantastical altar universe where people just
say the word, but what's a Shenanigan is pretty common? Yeah,
maybe Flugendorf perfect. Yeah, that might not be you know,
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you might not be in some alternate universe where people
say that. It might just come up in conversation. You
can notice it. What and if someone can fill us
in on the definition of what was that meant? Please
right in? Okay, uh, send us an emails, send us
what you think of Fluggendorff is. We will consult it
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the same way that Meat consults and focuses, particularly upon
the book of Revelations that includes the verses we quoted earlier,
but also many more. Yeah, I think Revelations six is
also prominent in David Mead's visions of what he thinks
gonna happen. And he you know, rather than just being
stars and planets when you look up, he thinks this
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is very much symbolic. Yes, yeah, he believes the object
we will see is Naburu, the alleged hidden planet of
all this conspiracy lore, the Red Dragon, right planet X.
This will, according to him, signal the beginning of the end,
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ushering along fire and storms, hurricanes, lightning, and other types
of massive destruction. Yeah, so the woman in the dragon
is of primary interest to Mr Mead. He uh, he
believes the woman is represented by Virgo. As we were
kind of saying before, in those nine stars the three
planets equals the twelve the star the twelve stars in
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the crown the planet Jupiter. He really believes that is
going to be inside a Virgo and it kind of
will insider womb. And then there was another theorist named
Gary Ray who really goes into the whole interpretation of
birthing Jupiter essentially out of Virgo. And again me doesn't
believe this will be the instant, immediate finger snap end
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of humanity. Instead, he thinks it will lead to a
series of catastrophic but inevitably escalating events. And we have
a quote from him here where he says, the world
is not ending, but the world is. We knew it
is ending. A major part of the world will not
be the same as the beginning of October. And I
wanted to emphasize this because sure, it sounds like something
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will definitely happen, but I think that's a major part
of the world is pretty vague. It's pretty vague, and
you know, you're giving a nice time frame there too. Um,
sometimes in the beginning of October something will happen. Yeah,
And well, okay, so I've seen other videos and writings
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online that have said that, yes, this is the end.
Within hours of the Red Dragon appearing, there are gonna
be just asteroids and meteors striking the Earth. There's gonna
be fire on the entire planet, and it's gonna be
over within a day. This is not what David Meade
believes for sure. Okay, I see, Yeah, so it's not
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seven years of suffering or something. Yeah, in in original theories,
and he's saying, well, it could be who knows how long.
They're definitely gonna be major changes, I think, is what
Meat is saying. If you know, if his beliefs come true,
maybe fires will be happening, maybe power structures will begin
to change, and maybe tomorrow I will feel bad for
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being a little bit skeptical. Maybe, But for people who
think this is a load of hogwash or two or
maybe let's call it uh pseudo scientific or an extended interpretations,
you know, Meat has more than a few critics and
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these are the same sort of criticisms that they threw
at him scientists at NASA. I think the word I
used to want to do it to these dotes was
finding particularly onerous. Despite his interview saying that he had
received confirmation of Nimbaru from these highly placed ronomers, people
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doing work in the academy and in uh for the government. Right,
he's also received criticism from other people who are of
the Christian faith. Yeah, you've got Ed Stetzer. He's a
professor and executive director of Wheaton's College, Billy Graham Center
for Evangelism. So he he took a look at how
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Meads kind of describing this event in articles in on
the media, and he says, quote, there's no such thing
as a Christian numerologist. You basically got a made up
expert in a made up field talking about a made
up event. Geez, that that was me pulling out of
the quote. Let's continue. I don't think people like that
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that might work. That was a reporter whoever he was
talking to, Like, wow, man, shade, let's get back into
the quote. It sort of justifies that there's a special
secret number code in the Bible that nobody believes. And
and for the record, to be fair, Dave Meat has
never self described as a Christian numerologist. No, but he
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definitely likes numbers and thinks they hold a great significance.
And uh, he describes himself as a researcher who studied
astronomy at a university in Kentucky. We don't know which university,
but one, but yeah, but there is there is one. Uh.
And according to his website, he worked in forensic investigations
and spent ten years working for some successful companies corporations,
(34:29):
and of course, as Matt had mentioned earlier, is the
author of several books, the most recent one being Planet
xen Arrival. How convenient or you know, he's trying to
warn people. And that's the thing, like when when you're
dealing with something like this, what if David Mead truly
truly believes this and wants to get the word out.
(34:51):
That's it's tough when you think of it skeptically, but
also have to imagine the man himself and yeah, what
are his intention? So stets are has questions from a
It's weird because when you hear a lot of skepticism,
you often hear it from what the what the critics
(35:12):
would consider an objective viewpoint, right, Like, if someone has
a problem with what you're saying, and they are scientists
in that particular field, they're not going to necessarily attack
your motivations. They're going to look at the science, correct.
And this is interesting because stats Are himself is a
religious man, you know, and he has strong objections to
(35:37):
David Mean's ideas because he believes that whenever someone tells
you they have found a secret code in the Bible,
everything else he or she says can be discounted. And
he noted that in Christianity, no one is supposed to
know the day or the hour of this momentous event,
right or Jesus Christ return. Yeah, and it's it's weird
(35:59):
that stets are in meat and all these other people
are kind of conflating all these different things as one,
like the when Jesus comes back in the rapture and
all this kind of thing, or perhaps a cataclysmic event
occurring or Planet X returning, and it's all becomes one
thing when really these you know, depending on what you believe,
(36:20):
these might be all separate instances, you know, and stets
Are obviously does the stets are doesn't agree with what
need we propose, what other Planet X people would propose,
But you're right, it's an excellent point about conflation, you know.
So this this is to me one of the one
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of the like the Larry David moments of this podcast. Okay,
is with all due respect. So we've looked at spiritual
critics UM. On the scientific side, there is a scientist,
a senior scientist at NASA. His name is Dr David Morrison.
I love this guy, and for years he has been
(37:04):
debunking these different claims about Nibiru, also answering questions about
it from the public um, and he argues the same
thing pretty often. Uh, Here's there's no such thing as
this Nibiru idea either as a brown dwarf, which is
what a lot of um, a lot of Nibiru believers
(37:27):
would describe it as. And regardless, there's nothing currently on
a collision course to Earth in a way that we
can see. Yeah, it's all about close close by, right exactly.
He makes some great points, and this guy really has
a grandfather factor where you know, it just makes you
want to listen to him. He seems endearing. He's like, oh,
(37:48):
all right, man, I hear you. It's really it's it's
it's kind of nice, and he's very reassuringly everything's gonna
be okay, and that he's a NASA scientist. That's nice.
So Dr Morrison argues that were these collision course claims
true and to be believed, astronomers all over the place
would be able to see whatever object is coming at us.
(38:10):
Because it would admit light, you'd be able to see it.
People would notice, even even just casual telescope owners like
my buddy Scott. He would have pointed his telescope up
at the sky and you'd probably be able to see it.
Even people without telescopes might be able to see it,
depending on how bright it is. And then additionally, if
it were, if it were real, and if it were
(38:31):
a planet with substantial mass, then it would already be
altering or perturbing the orbits of Mars and Earth. Yes, exactly.
So the argument is that we would see the orbits
of other easily visible planets changing. Right. Yeah, but what okay,
(38:51):
so let's really fast. What if it is on this
huge elliptical orbit that does take twenty years. I don't
know the science behind this, and I don't know how
much this has been looked into, but I'm sure it has.
But if it was on that massive orbit and it
hasn't been seen like it's on this the far reaching side,
(39:14):
I guess the far ends of its orbit around the Sun.
I wonder how long that time span would be to
where you couldn't see it. I see because it's, you know,
way out there past Pluto. I don't know. I I
worry about that a little bit. I need I need
more Dr Morrison to just reassure me. I think so.
(39:35):
I I think he has reassured people, or he's definitely
presented NASA's side of the art of the stands right.
The problem is that this, although it does sound funny,
you can kind of picture the Larry David music for
this guy who has to wake up every day and
try to convince people that the world's not ending. I'm
(39:58):
sure he does a wealth of other things. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying this is my pitch, this is my
pitch for this is a TV show. Sure, yeah. I
remember seeing him in two thousand twelve when he, like,
right before the whole thing happened, he just let guys
know everything's Okay, yeah, yeah. According to his estimate, Dr Morrison,
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that is, there are over two million sites that talk
about this collision of Earth within the Biru. He says
he gets around five emails about it every day, and
you know, people are just forwarding at NASA and they're
just forwarding Dr Morrison everything. This is from two thousand,
(40:41):
this from before two thousand and twelve. Um, So I
don't I imagine maybe picking up now. At least once
a week this is the part of the problem. At
least once a week, he says, I get a message
from young person as young as eleven who says they
are ill and we're contemplating suicide because of the coming doomsday. Wow.
(41:01):
So if you get five of those a day, you know,
there goes your whole day. I feel like you have
to answer these yeah that, yeah, there, you don't do
anything else besides hopefully grab a bite to eat and
then get some sleep. Uh So it continues, but it
may all end tomorrow. Well yeah, so we've heard the
arguments from all the different sides, people's viewpoints, the prophecies.
(41:25):
How likely is it that the world is going to
end tomorrow? While you're listening to this podcast? Huh. Well,
there are several things we need to consider first, and
we'll get to those right after a word from our sponsor. Well,
the first thing we have to take into account is
(41:46):
that this celestial alignment, it has in fact occurred before,
according to this guy, Christopher M. Grainy. He's a professor
of physics and astronomy at Jefferson Community and Technical call
Legend Louisville. Oh wow, okay, so yes, he's a professor,
and he's writing in the Catholic Astronomer, which is a
(42:08):
vlog for the Vatican Observatory. He says, quote, this basic
arrangement happened before in September eighteen, September three, twelve ninety three,
and ten fifty six. And he says he only searched
back about a thousand years, and their undoubtedly other examples
outside of that time period where this basic arrangement occurred,
(42:32):
where you've got Virgo and Leo, the Sun and the
moon and of the planets. I mean, that's something to
take into account at least that it's not a once
in a lifetime Well perhaps it's a once in a
lifetime thing, but it's not a you know, once in
a civilization thing. Sure once in a reality, or maybe
(42:52):
it's already occurred, and uh we are living in some
version of the universe where it did. Oh, I mean
clearly I would like this version of the universe better. Yeah, whatever,
unending darkness is an alternate reality. But hopefully one day
we can either prove those exist and make the make
(43:14):
the wildest dreams of every science fiction author and fan
ever come true, or uh, at least you know, prove
it doesn't. Well, I'm getting into another podcast at this point.
If I'm I'm already considering multiple realities, so just really fast.
One of the other things that Professor Greeney says is
(43:34):
that I'm just gonna read this quote. Yes, multiple planets
being at Virgo's head wild Jupiter is in Virgo's center
and the Moon is at Virgo's feet is somewhat unusual,
but it's not that unusual. The period of Jupiter's orbit
is a little less than twelve years. That's kind of interesting, right, Um,
so it takes twelve years to go around the Sun,
(43:55):
and therefore Jupiter will be in Virgo with the Sun
there too and the Moon at the feet once every
eleven or twelve years. So again, he's just trying to say, hey,
the star part is maybe not as important as some
of these people are saying. And he's writing in the
Catholic the Catholic astronomer, which is kind of cool. You're
(44:17):
you're getting that religious angle again. And there's also right,
there's also been these allegations that pop up or I
guess rumors or copy pasta call it what you want,
where someone says, you know, the Catholic Church is secretly
preparing for the arrival of this plan. That would be cool.
(44:44):
It's the thing, though, is when you talked about an
organization that size like the Catholic Church, it's quite possible
that there's a group of people in the Catholic Church
who decided to prepare for something that they think is coming.
And it might be a case where no one is
more surprised to learn that than the Catholic Church. That's true,
(45:06):
oh man. But the point remains, it is true these
situations may not be as unique as other other people
believe them to be. Right, So let's consider this question
of David Mead, because there's there's some wiggle room with
(45:30):
the beginning of the end, right, So what if, as
Matt had mentioned earlier, right, it doesn't signal an immediate
media and not with a bang, but with a whimper
to quote T. S. Eliott, And instead, this, this heavenly
alignment becomes a harbinger of some terrible future event or
(45:51):
series of events that would alter the course of human history. Currently,
two str meads point, currently there's some pretty unsustainable stuff
going on in the world right now. And I would
say that relatively speaking, that's always been the case. Yes, yes,
(46:14):
a series of just horrific and tragic Shenanigan's just a
few more steps and then you know, humanity is on
the brink at any time throughout history. So what are
some examples? Okay, well, so some really good examples would
be if we take a look at the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea or North Korea. And we've mentioned it
(46:35):
on this show numerous times, but at this moment in history,
tensions are raping ratcheting up again between the United States
and other Western powers of you know, with North Korea.
They fired two missiles off the bow of neighboring Japan
on August and the fifte September of this year, so
twice in a row, shot two missiles missiles over Japan.
(46:57):
They also held another new clear test, at least according
to the US Geological Survey. Who's you know, they're doing
the nuclear detection that we talked about during the Velor
Incident episode, where where you can detect if a nuke
has been set off by basically testing the ground and
if the ground is shaking in certain ways, you know
(47:17):
one's gone off. And they did confirm that one went
off on September three, so uh yikes. Also, the U
n Security Council just approved more sanctions against the Democratic
People's Republic of Korea, and then we had just this
past Tuesday, President Trump spoke at the UN General Assembly
the United Nations and he had some very choice quotes
(47:43):
for North Korea. We should we read some of these
been yeah, lay one on me. He says, the scourge
of our planet today is a small group of rogue
regimes that violate every principle on which the United Nations
is based. If the righteous many do not confront the
wicked few, than evil will triumph. No one has shown
more contempt for other nations and for the well being
(48:06):
of their own people than the depraved regime in North Korea.
And as we've said before, there. There's a certain kind
of language that the people we use in Joe politics.
And one thing that the United States does, and and
a bunch of other Western countries too, is that when
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you want to avoid describing something as a government, when
you want to make another country's governing structure look illegitimate,
call it a regime regime because it seems so temporary
and like it was instated by its own accord and
not by some other international recognition. Right, and it is
(48:52):
it is true that there's an accelerating um in accelerating
situation in that part of the war world. Right, China
in China, Russia and the US all have skin in
the game, and they're there. All three countries have world
(49:17):
altering force projection abilities one way or another, right economically
in the field of energy, and of course military force.
So then Trump went on to say, no nation on
Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals
arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. The United States
has great strength and patients, but if it is forced
(49:37):
to defend itself for its allies, we will have no
choice but to totally destroy North Korea, which is, by
the way, not not the language of negotiation not the
language you say at the UN General Assembly while you're
in front of delegations of all the countries, especially North Korea,
(49:58):
which was seated right in front of him. Okay, so
it's like an active provocation, That's exactly what it is.
And the right after that, Ben, Now, look, I wouldn't
believe this unless I transcribed it myself and I watched
the live feed. His next quote is rocket man is
on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.
(50:23):
He called Kim Jong rocket man like right there in
front of everybody. I mean, depending on how you feel
about Elton John that could be and the way he
said it to it's a rocket man, that's the cadence.
Maybe that's the secret to a good uh, a good
(50:44):
impression because he speak like you're with the cadence of
rocket Man. But just still you could feel the tention
right and we you know, especially you've been with your
your background, you understand and can see kind of the
chess pieces. But I think for me and some other
people it's it's like it it just seems scary. I
(51:06):
guess when they are powerful countries talking like this, and
the way North Korea, you know, talks to the United
States and other countries, absolutely, especially because we're we're talking
about a country, the United States, with an executive branch,
and uh, this executive branch has the controlling power of
(51:29):
the army. Not all you know, not not all countries
that way, Not all presidents have constitutionally been assigned foreign
interactions in this manner, and every country practices some sort
of political theater. With that being said, the current military
(51:57):
might of the United States makes this a It makes
this something that other countries are going to pay attention
to across the planet because if if, if the big
guns are in a bad mood, right, every everybody's everybody
becomes warri right. And it's weird because it also made
(52:19):
me think of recently, there was a man that a
lot of people probably have heard of but don't remember
his name. Uh, he passed away. His name was Stanislav Petrov,
and he was working in a submarine and he was
(52:43):
a radar guy for the Soviets, and he was monitoring
radar in Moscow when the Cold War was in full
effect in three and the instrument showed that the United
States had launched a salvo of nuclear weapons direct actually
at Russia just five, five, But I think seeing just five,
(53:05):
just five nukes, you know, I hear you get the
sixth one free? You know what I mean. But the
whole point was that he he was really confused because
everything that he was taught was that if the US
did launch nukes, it would be countless, like there would
be so many you wouldn't be able to even really
understand how many nukes are coming at you. Right and
(53:26):
his his subordinance were panicking, but he kept his wits,
and Petrov decided not to retaliate, and later they learned
it was a good thing because the radar reading was false.
It was generated by sunbeams reflecting off of clouds. How
crazy is that. So although very few people in the
(53:49):
US could recall the name Stanislav Petrov off the top
of their head, I couldn't. And although we can't recall
this guy, he might have saved, He might have saved
part of civilization. I think he absolutely did, at least
in this multiverse, because you know, I don't think about
(54:12):
that that it probably would have triggered. No, it definitely
would have. If he would have shot retaliated, the US
then really does fire missiles, then Russia fires more missiles.
There's the Soviet Union fires more. I don't want to
get tom I don't want to get too off the
rails with North Korea. But the DPRK does have nuclear capability.
(54:36):
But as we mentioned on the show in the past,
the ability to make a nuclear like make a nuclear
reaction occur in the ability to weaponize. That are very
different things, right, very different things, and miniaturization is one
(54:58):
of the tougher things. Even more difficult is the idea
of making a reliable even one time I CBM or
you're kind of continental ballistic missile. And the big worry
now is that they've evolved because they used to have
these missiles called the Typo Don and those things just
(55:19):
like they were the best things the military of DPRK
had at the time. They were not good, they're terrible.
They were just But it's also but it's also scary
whenever someone says, let's build a rocket to blow things up.
Let's see. You know it's not right, it's not like
space exploration, but you still need rockets for that. See,
(55:42):
it's difficult to tell where people are going, where the
countries are going. So now the evolution towards the new
types of missiles is extremely worrying. You've probably seen things
on your local news report of choice a about where
they have the map and North Korea is in the center,
(56:03):
and then it shows a series of circles right telling
you the possible reach at that point or at this point.
So far as we know, the missile technology is still
not not reliable over a long distance. It's possible to
get there, but there are probably manufacturing defects. But it
(56:25):
makes the people in South you know, South Korea feel
not so great, and you know it doesn't have a
manufacturing defect. A suitcase toyota celica. Wait, are you in
traffic right now listening to this? Look around when you
when you get to a stop. So look, here's the deal.
(56:48):
Even if neither of these countries, the United States are
North Korea does the unthinkable and actually launches a nuclear
weapon and creates all out nuclear war, which could and
likely would end the world. It as you know it,
something else might happen here. The actions or some other
type of intervention in North Korea could trigger World War three.
(57:12):
And you know we've we've been through two of those
so far as a world um and I personally don't
like our chances of making it out unscathed, well, definitely scathed,
but alive. I don't see us making it out alive.
Of a third one. Who are we humans? Okay? Everybody? Now,
(57:33):
somebody will make it out. Someone will make it out.
It'll be a Cormick McCarthy situation though, right, well, there
are also people would argue that we've already been in
a world war uh currently or currently embroiled in one
world war being defined as the superpowers fighting, right, not
(57:53):
just the normal uh noise, the normal static of larger
countries victimizing or exploiting smaller countries, right, which is the norm?
That's just that's peacetime currently, Yeah, it is. It is true.
The idea of proxy wars drawing in larger powers can
(58:15):
absolutely happen, and no one knows what that kind of
large scale open conflict would look like at this point.
It would be very different from anything we know, and
some of the most dangerous weapons have never been used.
There's also, of course, the threat of terrorism and or
(58:37):
other radical factions. Right going back to the suitcase thing
or the Toyota celica thing, and look, no Ding's on
Toyota celicas. I just I was trying to pick a
specific example. There's the idea of an attack via a
so called dirty bomb or some other uh tipping point
event to tip our hats to Malcolm Cladwell. And then,
(59:00):
of course, lest we forget the unbridled fury of earth itself.
Natural disasters, Oh man, the hurricanes have been coming non
stop this season. In our third hurricane and as many weeks, No,
it can't be three weeks. It's uh, well, isn't this
four now? Yeah? We had Harvey, and there was another
(59:22):
one there that kind of went away, and then Irma
and then Maria, and there's there are other ones, uh,
and they're all just causing devastation in the Caribbean right now,
Like right now, there was a hurricane I think yesterday
it just plowed through Puerto Rico. Of the of Puerto
Rico was without power and less like the power grid
(59:44):
was knocked out. Terrifying stuff. Just the power of nature.
And people have generators, but that's not the same thing. Yeah,
the hospital. I was listening to NPR and they were
saying one of the major hospitals had two or three
days left of generator power. But they don't think the
power will be restored for months Like that's that's terrifying,
and imagining that on an even larger scale is unthinkable.
(01:00:09):
But you know, that's just one aspect of nature that
could attack us. Sure, droughts, famine, the dangerous domino effect
of ecological collapse. Right, people are most familiar with this
idea when neo nicketsnoids, and other pesticides continue to like
(01:00:31):
ravage be populations. I think you can scroll, if you
want to scroll all the way back through your Facebook
feed to what years several years ago, you will see
that famously misattributed studo quotation with Ernest with Ernest anyway,
with Albert Einstein saying when the bees disappear. I'm pretty
(01:00:55):
sure he didn't say that. I don't think so. But
it was a scary time and it is still a
scary time for honeybee populations and other bee populations. The pollinators,
the ones that actually make the stuff that has flowers grow. Right,
it's freaking me out a little bit, but it's okay you.
I mean, you may not like flowers, you may not
want a mouthful of bees. I can't blame me for
(01:01:15):
either of those. But the thing is we need them around. Yeah,
that's a whole system. It's this complicated thing where you know,
if you want to eat some bacon, you gotta have bees.
There we go. That's a that's a very good ad
for either your future career as an apiarist or a
weird baking commercial. It's a really weird bacon slashes. So yeah,
(01:01:38):
the ocean of cientification, uh, uncurable incurable contagions, snip cancer.
And we saw wildfires just all over the planet recently,
the droughts that were coming through. The earthquake in Mexico
that just happened, there were two, like two in a row.
Wildfires to to a large degree, if people were just
(01:02:00):
not around, wildfires would exist. And it's a part of
the system. It's part of the ecosystem, but it has
changed to with catastrophic consequences. I I have a questions
for a different day, but I I want to see
what you think about this is war and economic necessity.
(01:02:24):
Oh yeah, leave that right there. Respond to that question
if you don't mind everybody listening, if we survive, because yeah,
if the world is still around, then you're like, oh, well,
my plans have opened up for the day, then just
send us an email and let us know what you
think about the idea of wars and economic necessity. My
(01:02:46):
ink is yes, yeah, uh. Going back to the end,
this is this is near the end of our show
on the end of the world, near the end of
the world. Possibly well, we have to remember that the
world is ending for someone every day, right there are
(01:03:07):
history is replete with all these groups and religions and
communities that have assumed the world as they know it
will collapse. And those beliefs can be tied to any
number of things. And probably depending upon how old you are,
or definitely how old your parents are, you within your
(01:03:28):
family will be able to find firsthand accounts of something
that was in the news that was absolutely insane. For
a lot of people, it would be Heaven's Gate or
something right, something like that. These things happen more often
than you might believe, and if you look back and
(01:03:49):
start to build a list of it, you will see
that there there are very few years where there wasn't
some group predicting the end of the world. And it's
a it's addictive thing because all the problems that we
just named didn't start, you know, on Tuesday. It can
easily feel like the end of the world. It's true
that some of these situations are unsustainable, but does it
(01:04:13):
stop tomorrow? Are the beliefs of people who followed these
signs in the heavens in this particular interpretation, What happens
if they're right? What happens if somehow you know that
the gravity the perturbations of the orbits didn't change and
this thing just came and there was no way to
(01:04:33):
tell except for this amalgamation of interpretations and civilism, or
what if on Saturday, for the first time in human history,
or at least civilization up to this point, we get
to see Planet x We can visually. We can with
(01:04:54):
either the naked eye or with the telescope. It's the
first time we can actually see planet XERG and it's
back from It's so it's thousand thousand years sojourn away
from the Solar System and back. Yeah, I mean that
that is the realist possibility of some of the far
more far out stuff of we we haven't seen it,
(01:05:15):
and NASA is assuring us that it's not there, but
it's just because we haven't been able to observe it yet.
The scientists from right, Yeah, that I I think that
would be. So I think that would be tremendously interesting.
I mean, honestly too. I'm remembering that I'm a sucker
for visible cosmic events like this, you know, I was.
(01:05:41):
I was such a curmudgeon when we were going up
stairs in our office to look at the eclipse. I thought, right,
here we go, we gotta do this thing. Now, it's
gonna be dark for why a couple of minutes. I
have rooms with light switches. I was a jerk about
it in my head. But then it's starts happening and
it's amazing, it's astonishing. So yeah, it would be both
(01:06:05):
amazing and astonishing to see something like that. But at
this point, from what we what we currently understand, the
current scientific understanding is that, based on the physics, was
physically impossible. It would be physically impossible for this sort
of object to have this sort of impact date at
(01:06:28):
this point in time, just because of the speeds involved,
the gravity involved the visible objects, right, and the effects
of such an event on them. But again, it's such
a cliffhanger. What happens tomorrow? Are you gonna stay until midnight?
(01:06:49):
I'm definitely gonna monitor. I'm going to monitor the situation.
You know, I just want to see if there is
if I get a Google alert with planet X or
Nimburu or you know something a Google or that's how
you want to find out setting Google or bloody sky,
like the sky itself is bleeding and with some crazy
(01:07:13):
um uh heavy metal, I don't know, maybe something love
crafty and with like some drums and some tuneless pipes
and tentacles. Sure they okay, yeah, you know what? Yeah,
if it's the last day all of it? Yeah, alright,
So what do you think is gonna happen? Do you?
Can you feel something in the air right now as
(01:07:34):
you're listening to this? Has something happened as you're listening
to this? And has something happened? Yeah? Like are you
are you listening to this as an after Like? What
just what just occurred? Well, if the internet still works
and you're maybe there's an LTE signal wherever you are,
you can find us. You can write to us, You
can talk to us about it, ask us questions, tell
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Oh and just to interject quickly, I hope it's not
the end of the world. It would be cool to
hang out with Noll again. Does he even know someone
should call it? Oh? Yeah, you're right. But you can
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We wanted to bring it to you. Our episodes come
out on Friday's typically, and that means that if you
are listening to this podcast the day it comes out,
then it is September twenty two, two thousand and seventeen,
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you you have hours to live merror hours. According to
some people, several of whom we will examine in depth today.
Uh that is the day before the beginning of the
end of the world, on September twenty three, two thousand
and seventeen. Oh boy, this is a doozy one. Everyone.
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I cannot wait to delve into it with you. So
let's look at the current science thinking about the end
of the world. So it can it can occur in
any number of ways. We've talked about some of these
before in the past. Gamma ray bursts, you know, nukes,
Nukes could end the world. Well, they could at least
end humanity, maybe not all life. Uh, they're impact events.
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They're they're definitely in the running than we're talking what else.
Oh yeah, an impact event is when an extra terrestrial
object and object from the heavens, not like a a
beanie baby owned by an extra terrestrial Uh, the right,
an asteroid meteor comment, what have you? A gigantic space
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rock physically hits Earth. Uh. Yeah, well, yeah it is.
It's kind of also, Uh, it gives us a sense
of hopelessness, because forget what Armageddons showed you. That's a
blockbuster film from yester year. There's not really a proven
or reliable way to deflect something that size. If humanity
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does not win any of these morbid lotteries, the most
probable final curtain call for planet Earth as we know
it will be absorption by the Sun in about seven
point five billion years seven point five nine actually after
the Sun becomes a red giant and physically expands beyond
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Earth's orbit, So it's like it's eating the planet. Yeah,
and well what can you do about that? Um, just
get off, get away, go to a different place. I mean,
longing story short, that's a real kick in the pants.
So far as we know, it's unavoidable unless our particular
brand of ape grose much much more intelligent beforehand. And
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you know, we've got a little bit of a runway,
assuming we don't kill each other in the interim, right, Yeah, yeah,
that runway is pretty wide. I accept it. However, according
to this group that we got a notification from via email, uh,
certain astronomical and or astrological signs point to the beginning
of the end occurring this year. As we said, if
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you are listening to this the day it came out, tomorrow,
it's happening tomorrow. Call your mom for real. You should
just call her anyway, you knows, just the case if
you could call your mom's say hi. Uh. So, we're
gonna look at the nature of this group, it's motivations,
it's fears and all, perhaps most importantly, the logic behind
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its beliefs. We need to delve into religious sources. So
as always, uh, we would like to issue the following disclaimer.
We're not telling you what to believe, that's up to you.
We are reporting what the this group believes, right needs
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followers of the Sign, and of course, if there are
views of theirs with which you don't agree, we invite
you to write into us via your favorite social media
platform or our email and uh, you know, let us
know what you think they got right or wrong. Yeah.
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In the source material that we're using for this is
the Bible, specifically the New International Version. So we're gonna
read some of that as we try and piece together
what this group believes. And let's fast forward pass the
part about the the echo chamber and the telephone game
of very areas self serving revisions or iterations of the Bible. Right,
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so we're jumping right in to the n I V. So,
whether you believe the Bible is the true word of
God or not, or just a book, you know, whatever
it is, one thing is for sure, Revelation is full
of some let's call it psychedelic visions, some material. Uh.
So let's get into the prologue of revelation in case
you're unaware of what it is. It's a vision that
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was given to John St. John who it was given
to him by God, and it was about essentially what's
going to occur on earth a bunch of these prophecies.
So he was told all of these prophecies when he
was quote in the spirit, and he was told they
were told to him by an angel or God or
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some representation of God. Um. That's kind of just the
t L d R. Allowed voice like a trumpet, yeah,
allowed voice like a trumpet. But it was this glowing
being that had a sword coming out of his mouth,
and it's the midst the the stuff that John describes
in that path in that book is is thought to
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be the prophecy of the return of Jesus Christ exactly. Okay,
so let's jump down to chapter twelve where there's a
specific vision given to John. So, I guess we should
just read this. Will you do a voice? No? Do
I want me to do a voice? Yeah? Sure. A
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great sign appeared in the heavens, a woman clothed with
the sun, with the moon under her feet and a
crown of twelve stars on her head. She was pregnant
and cried out in pain as she was about to
give birth. Then another sign appeared in heaven, an enormous
red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven
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crowns on its heads. Its tail swept the of the
stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth.
The dragon stood in front of the woman who was
about to give birth, so that it might devour her
child the moment he was born. Wow, right, pretty psychedelic.
And as as a side note here, of course, personally,
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I'm I'm more of a fan of the archaic language
that's used in earlier iterations of the Bible. This is
this is a very interesting book to biblical scholars. Oh,
we should go ahead and say, you know, spoiler alert,
there's there's this huge war that breaks out in heaven. Uh.
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The angel Michael and his groove angels fight against the dragon.
The dragons also got some angels. Yeah, and dragon is
essentially in place for the devil here or Satan or
some version of that. Right, And uh, that's the story.
On a on a personal note, I have to say,
I know this does really applied to today's episode. I've
always preferred the more archaic, uh high faluting um in
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a little bit more obscure language of earlier iterations of
the Bible, but they will tend to say the same thing.
And this is a very fascinating book for biblical scholars.
You can read all sorts of theories about the authorship
of it um, the possible allegorical nature of the contents,
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and then I know some of us will of course
be aware of the theory that uh St John was
somehow hallucinating, sure, right, uh possibly do? I mean this
ties into the idea of whether or not people were
actively using hallucinogenic substances as a sacrament in in this
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time period. But there is whether you consider yourself a
Christian or someone with I guess Christian influences in your
own spiritual path. There's no two ways around it. There's
no four ways, there's no nine ways, pick a number,
There's no number of ways around it. Uh This particular passage,
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or this particular part of the book that is commonly
known as the Christian Bible, has left an indelible and
fundamental mark on the culture of humanity globally. You know,
even in even in places where there are no practicing Christians,
people are aware of the these sorts of passages and
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this sort of belief. So it's also um inspiration for
a lot of things in history and in the modern day.
And it's also often uh pointed to as inarguable or
solid proof of something. And the people who are are
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well in many cases, people who believe that the world
is going to end within their lifetimes and some doomsday
scenario do point to spiritual sources, and then a lot
of people who don't believe any spiritual sources or that
particular UM religious text will discount it based on that.
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So that's that's the crux of the argument. Yes, and
Revelation has been used as the blueprint for a lot
of those doomsday scenarios and predictions in the past. In
two thousand three it happened in it was used UM
and then like converted into the Mind calendar. And now
this latest one we're going to talk about today believes
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that this prophecy in Revelation deals with an astronomical alignment
of the stars as a sign. Here's where it gets crazy,
which I know happens a little early in this episode. Uh,
these stars are actually aligning, and Matt, I think you
can give us a little bit of a rough play
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by play of this. Yes, according to believers on September seventeen,
the stars and planets in the heavens above really will
be arranged to meet the exact specifications described in revelation.
So let's take a look as they interpret as they
as they interpret that this is yes, um. So if
you go in Stellarium, an open source planetarium, you can
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go like plug in the date and you can see
the following things. When you look towards the constellation Virgo.
It's a virgin character. It's important and let's let's get
into this really fast. So, uh, if we go back
to the story a woman clothed with the sun and
the moon under her feet, Well, guess what if you
look at the constellation Virgo, you're gonna see the sun
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near her left shoulder and the moon is gonna be
down at her left foot. Okay, check and check the
crown of twelve stars on this woman's head. The constant
aation Leo, which is located just above Virgo's head in
the sky. It's got nine bright stars that make up
the constellation, and it's going to be joined by Mercury,
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Venus and Mars, these three planets, which makes twelve bright
spots in the sky. If you're looking up. Okay, check Now,
the whole part about her giving birth is a little iffy.
But for the sake of argument, Jupiter, another planet, is
going to be near Virgo's left knee kind of and
her pelvic area down in there. Perhaps it can be
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viewed that Jupiter is being berthed from Virgo. So according
to these believers, this is the real deal. This is
the sign that everyone has been waiting for. Uh, and
surely is exactly what John had envisioned. And people also
think this alignment is somehow unique in human history. Is
that correct? Yeah, you'll you'll see it in videos and
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stayed all over the internet. So fast, fast, fast, fast
forward to the modern day sat John On is gone
to meet his reward. Right there's there's no one arguing,
and he is alive. Now. The idea is that he
saw something that would occur many many, many many years
after his physical demise. There is another piece of Lord
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that interacts here, and it is known as Niburu. Uh.
Long time listeners and fans of our video series are
former video series are familiar with Niburu. The alleged missing
planet or Planet X or Planet ten kind of like
an iPhone thing going on here. You know, let's paint
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some quick contextual background here, let's broad brush the scene.
There are multiple allegations of a hidden or undiscovered or
lost planet beyond the bounds of our known Solar system.
Planet X was this placeholder name that was used by
astronomers while they searched for a planet beyond Neptune's orbit, right,
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Because Pluto was discovered relatively recently in the scheme of things,
and the way that it was found is a fascinating
story in and of itself. What astronomers would do at
the most base level explanation, right, is like, if we
did it in just a couple of sentences, we would say,
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astronomers know what the orbit of a planet should be
based on the other objects they know exist, right, the
other planets in our Solar System and the Sun. And
then when they notice that there are anomalies or irregularities
in their perturbations, essentially, then they can say, well, something
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else must be exercising gravitational force here, and if we
calculate this correctly, then we could also uh know a
little bit more about whatever this unknown forces and then boom, Pluto.
They did find Pluto, and you're probably if you're old
enough to listen to a podcast, you're probably familiar with
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the idea of Pluto poor ever, the dwarf planet. Never
the planet Pluto. Pluto now officially exists as a dwarf
planet because they had some really difficult times drawing the
line of how to define a planet. Today, many people
who use the term planet X or nimburu use those
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phrases interchangeably, right like Zacharie Stitchen is an author who
does that. However, uh, nimburu as just a concept, It's
a little different. As ancient origins, it was a word
used by the Samarians most likely to describe heavenly character.
Matt just described earlier the planet Jupiter, and in Babylonian astronomy,
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nimburu refers to the equinox. But of course, not all
hidden planet theories are created equally or even given the
same degree of serious considerations. We have some examples of
different hidden planet I guess what would be the right
word theories? Yeah, probably the most fair word, um, And
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we have a few. We have a few favorites, Matt.
You have mentioned one from two thousand and three, right,
I just yeah, I just want to jump in here
and say that the second part of that vision, the
red dragon that appears out of nowhere, that is thought
too by these groups and by groups in the past
to be Niburu or Planet X, like it would make
an appearance if these if these stars aligned in this way.
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Very important. Thank you for thank you for putting that
in there, because now we see that this dragon, which
was commonly for a long time interpreted as Satan or Lucifer,
the fallen One or has Satan, is now also being
conflated with uh the dragon being heavenly, a physical, heavenly object.
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And then there are of course people who I imagine
would say, it's all of the above. Yeah, it's it
is a physical object, and it is the primary force
of darkness, ironically called the light Bringer. So let's uh yeah,
let's get into Oh man, that makes so much sense.
Been the light Bringer? This scary possibly sun or planet
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that just plows through it reminds me of the Fifth Element.
Do you remember the the planetary bad guy from the
Fifth Element? Yeah, who would talk to Gary Oldman exactly.
That's what I envisioned in my head when I think
about this thing. I never understood way at that plastic
plate on his forehead. Yeah, it was protective, I'm sure
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from what good taste, good fashion sense. Maybe water, Maybe
it's like a rain thing. He had a microchip in
there and it was you know, his head's poorous. Well yeah,
i've I've never I will probably never live in the
fifth element universe. So I don't have the I don't
have the wherewithal to criticize those choices. And you know what,
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Gary Oldman is a great actor. And if that was
his idea, and he's listening now, well, Mr Oldman, I
commend your performance. Uh. I may not agree with how
you got there, uh fashion wise, but who am I
just say? I can almost tell you that it was
not his choice. It's the end of the world, Matt Okay. So,
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in the early two thousands, this person named Nancy Leader
claimed the l I E D E Er. She claimed
that a tenth planet, planet X, would pass by Earth
in two thousand three, and because of the gravitational poll,
it would cause cataclysmic events and it might even bring
along an alien invasion. As you know, the people who
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live on that planet, hop off and come on down
and let's jump in here real quick, because this is
a very important thing to say. Whenever there is a
we're telling a prophecy of a disaster or a cataclysm,
or some some specific event to which cataclysmic events will
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be tied across the globe, it becomes so easy to
say that that prophecy was true, you know. Unfortunately that's
the nature of reality. If, for instance, um one of
us now were to have an epileptic seizure and come
out of it, Epileptic seizures oftentimes being confused with moments
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of prophecy throughout a lot of history. If one of
us were to have uh seizure and then come out
of it saying, well, in two thousand and nineteen, there's
going to be a flood, we would be correct, because
there are floods every year. Yeah, it gets a little
harder when you're talking about planets coming in from the
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orc cloud or you know, from far far away, because
it's harder to I'm just saying, it's like, there was
a I think he may have been a statistician who
made what appeared to be this spot on supernatural prophecy,
and it turned out that he just used statistical data
from earlier years to predict a plane crash which is
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also terrifying. Right, So, as far as we know, not
an alien invasion. Uh. There were cataclysmic events in two
thousand and three, but there were not reports of a large,
a planet sized object in close orbit with the Earth. Uh.
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This this led us to another thing that happens often
with doomsday scenarios, which is um it was sort of rationalized,
and after the two thousand three date passed, the story
became incorporated in the two thousand and twelve Mayan calendar
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apocalypse predict at the end of the mind calendar, there's
nothing else that happens after that on the calendar, so
it must be the end of the world, right, right.
I was at a Joe Rogan show that night. One.
Oh that's right. I think you mentioned that it's a
great show. Yeah, fantastic show. Joey, Coco Diaz was there,
and so was Dunk and Trusts. I'm glad. I'm glad
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all of you had a great time and made it
out alive. So, as we said, we mentioned Zachary Stitchen,
who writes a bit about this. As we said, planet
X and the Beru are often conflated. He refers to
this as the twelfth planet his original prediction was that
Nebru would return in twenty eight five. And right now, again,
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as you're listening to this, if it's the day before
the world ends, you gotta wonder, you gotta wonder what's
going through uh z Man's head right now, you know,
through through Mr stitchens head. Uh does he think that
his calculations were offered? Does he think that something different
is happening there? We mentioned that these are not all
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created equally. There was another thing, another event or proposal
of theory, much more recently, that came from the opposite
end of the spectrum. So there's the Cooper Belt, right
and in January, this is crazy of last year, there
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were some scientists, and we're talking mainstream scientists who went
on the news and said that there were eccentric orbits
in some of the bodies in the Couper Belt and
they could be explained by the presence of a ninth
not tenth. Remember, because by this time, Pluto's dwarf planet,
a ninth planet that was a bit less massive than
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Neptune or here your ainus. Yeah, yeah, oh man, that
joke never gets old. Uh, that this planet was a
bit less massive than those other two plants, and that
would move in an extremely eccentric orbit around the Sun,
and this orbit would take thousands of years to complete
ten years. It is crucial at this point to note
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that this is hypothetical thing, This is not accepted. Uh,
this is this is similar to um, this is just
a possible explanation. I was going to say that, similar
to the first proposals of continental drift, wherein one scientist
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said well I noticed these edges of continents and some
topographical features seem to line up, and that scientist was
pretty careful to say, I'm not saying how or why,
but I'm I'm just saying, look, yeah, it's the same
deal here. You're you're seeing their regularities and orbits of
objects A through X, and you think, well, perhaps there's
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object Z that would there that gravitational pool might be
the reason for this. That's all you can say. So yeah,
our point is that there are people also in the
Ivory Tower or the Ivory Observatory arguing that something may
indeed be up. Just as there are multiple allegations of
a hidden planet, there are multiple predictions for the behavior
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that is heavenly object. So it might hit Earth. That's
the that's the earth shatter. That was just the pop
sound out in space where nothing makes a sound unless
you're in the you know, as the atmosphere is getting destroyed,
it might come so close to Earth that it just
disrupts civilization. Like we're talking about earthquakes. We're talking about
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making things go a little crazy on there. Yes, yes,
sort of like like when a if you're stuck on
a crowded train and a really sweaty person and just
has to like squeeze by you and leave all their
weird juices on you and like you kind of survive,
but you smell. It's like that. But if you also
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had hurricanes and floods and earthquakes and and died, Oh yeah, exactly,
Oh and then um, exactly exactly. There's, of course the
third option, which is the biblical wormwood, a heavenly object
thought to be bright burning star that is also evil
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and corrupts what is the third of the planet. Yeah,
or you know, or are they actually talking about wormwood
or they actually talking about wormwood? So so far we've
given a little bit of a look at some of
the astrological astronomical happenings. Uh, some of the rough history
of Planet X slash New Buru, some of the worries
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about what could happen to the Earth, some of which
are very real. But we haven't talked specifically about the
people who believe that. You are quite possibly listening to
the very last podcast you will ever listen to. And
by the way, we are so flattered you chose us.
We will get to a story of one of the
most well known proponents of this theory after a word
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from our sponsors, and we're back. So earlier we mentioned believers,
but let's get a little more specific. If you look
into this um online or maybe at your local library
if it has a computer online at your local library,
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one of the most prominent and we're well known proponents
of this particular doomsday genre is a fellow named David Mead,
who is often described as a Christian numerologist. Yeah, and
you know, speaking of the libraryman, you might actually find
it there because David Mead has written several books and
one of them is called Planet X The Arrival, and
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in this he has has a number of arguments. His
argument really hinges and heavily relies on verses from the
Christian Bible coupled with what he perceives to be this
powerful numerological pattern hinging on the number thirty three. Yeah,
and there are several reasons that he has this belief.
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And according to himself, quote, Jesus lived for thirty three years.
The name Elohim, which is the name of God to
the Jews, was mentioned thirty three times in the Bible.
And it's also he thinks it's very significant numerologically to
the Bible itself. He says, I'm talking astronomy, I'm talking
the Bible and merging the two. Interesting. Yes. Interesting. Indeed,
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the latest or most recent heavenly phenomenon that a lot
of people are familiar with now would be the total
solar eclipse that took place just earlier this August August
twenty seventeen. And Meat also points out this was thirty
three days before September three. Man, I feel like it's
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going to be scrawled all over the walls pretty soon.
Jim Carey is going to come out And wasn't that
it was so? Yes, there there are these multiple instances
of people finding a particular number, and once they find it,
there's a little bit of a better mineh Hoff syndrome. Yes,
some you know a skeptic would say, which is, uh, No,
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You're not in some fantastical altar universe where people just
say the word, but what's a Shenanigan is pretty common? Yeah,
maybe Flugendorf perfect. Yeah, that might not be you know,
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you might not be in some alternate universe where people
say that. It might just come up in conversation. You
can notice it. What and if someone can fill us
in on the definition of what was that meant? Please
right in? Okay, uh, send us an emails, send us
what you think of Fluggendorff is. We will consult it
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the same way that Meat consults and focuses, particularly upon
the book of Revelations that includes the verses we quoted earlier,
but also many more. Yeah, I think Revelations six is
also prominent in David Mead's visions of what he thinks
gonna happen. And he you know, rather than just being
stars and planets when you look up, he thinks this
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is very much symbolic. Yes, yeah, he believes the object
we will see is Naburu, the alleged hidden planet of
all this conspiracy lore, the Red Dragon, right planet X.
This will, according to him, signal the beginning of the end,
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ushering along fire and storms, hurricanes, lightning, and other types
of massive destruction. Yeah, so the woman in the dragon
is of primary interest to Mr Mead. He uh, he
believes the woman is represented by Virgo. As we were
kind of saying before, in those nine stars the three
planets equals the twelve the star the twelve stars in
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the crown the planet Jupiter. He really believes that is
going to be inside a Virgo and it kind of
will insider womb. And then there was another theorist named
Gary Ray who really goes into the whole interpretation of
birthing Jupiter essentially out of Virgo. And again me doesn't
believe this will be the instant, immediate finger snap end
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of humanity. Instead, he thinks it will lead to a
series of catastrophic but inevitably escalating events. And we have
a quote from him here where he says, the world
is not ending, but the world is. We knew it
is ending. A major part of the world will not
be the same as the beginning of October. And I
wanted to emphasize this because sure, it sounds like something
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will definitely happen, but I think that's a major part
of the world is pretty vague. It's pretty vague, and
you know, you're giving a nice time frame there too. Um,
sometimes in the beginning of October something will happen. Yeah,
And well, okay, so I've seen other videos and writings
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online that have said that, yes, this is the end.
Within hours of the Red Dragon appearing, there are gonna
be just asteroids and meteors striking the Earth. There's gonna
be fire on the entire planet, and it's gonna be
over within a day. This is not what David Meade
believes for sure. Okay, I see, Yeah, so it's not
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seven years of suffering or something. Yeah, in in original theories,
and he's saying, well, it could be who knows how long.
They're definitely gonna be major changes, I think, is what
Meat is saying. If you know, if his beliefs come true,
maybe fires will be happening, maybe power structures will begin
to change, and maybe tomorrow I will feel bad for
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being a little bit skeptical. Maybe, But for people who
think this is a load of hogwash or two or
maybe let's call it uh pseudo scientific or an extended interpretations,
you know, Meat has more than a few critics and
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these are the same sort of criticisms that they threw
at him scientists at NASA. I think the word I
used to want to do it to these dotes was
finding particularly onerous. Despite his interview saying that he had
received confirmation of Nimbaru from these highly placed ronomers, people
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doing work in the academy and in uh for the government. Right,
he's also received criticism from other people who are of
the Christian faith. Yeah, you've got Ed Stetzer. He's a
professor and executive director of Wheaton's College, Billy Graham Center
for Evangelism. So he he took a look at how
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Meads kind of describing this event in articles in on
the media, and he says, quote, there's no such thing
as a Christian numerologist. You basically got a made up
expert in a made up field talking about a made
up event. Geez, that that was me pulling out of
the quote. Let's continue. I don't think people like that
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that might work. That was a reporter whoever he was
talking to, Like, wow, man, shade, let's get back into
the quote. It sort of justifies that there's a special
secret number code in the Bible that nobody believes. And
and for the record, to be fair, Dave Meat has
never self described as a Christian numerologist. No, but he
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definitely likes numbers and thinks they hold a great significance.
And uh, he describes himself as a researcher who studied
astronomy at a university in Kentucky. We don't know which university,
but one, but yeah, but there is there is one. Uh.
And according to his website, he worked in forensic investigations
and spent ten years working for some successful companies corporations,
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and of course, as Matt had mentioned earlier, is the
author of several books, the most recent one being Planet
xen Arrival. How convenient or you know, he's trying to
warn people. And that's the thing, like when when you're
dealing with something like this, what if David Mead truly
truly believes this and wants to get the word out.
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That's it's tough when you think of it skeptically, but
also have to imagine the man himself and yeah, what
are his intention? So stets are has questions from a
It's weird because when you hear a lot of skepticism,
you often hear it from what the what the critics
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would consider an objective viewpoint, right, Like, if someone has
a problem with what you're saying, and they are scientists
in that particular field, they're not going to necessarily attack
your motivations. They're going to look at the science, correct.
And this is interesting because stats Are himself is a
religious man, you know, and he has strong objections to
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David Mean's ideas because he believes that whenever someone tells
you they have found a secret code in the Bible,
everything else he or she says can be discounted. And
he noted that in Christianity, no one is supposed to
know the day or the hour of this momentous event,
right or Jesus Christ return. Yeah, and it's it's weird
(35:59):
that stets are in meat and all these other people
are kind of conflating all these different things as one,
like the when Jesus comes back in the rapture and
all this kind of thing, or perhaps a cataclysmic event
occurring or Planet X returning, and it's all becomes one
thing when really these you know, depending on what you believe,
(36:20):
these might be all separate instances, you know, and stets
Are obviously does the stets are doesn't agree with what
need we propose, what other Planet X people would propose,
But you're right, it's an excellent point about conflation, you know.
So this this is to me one of the one
(36:42):
of the like the Larry David moments of this podcast. Okay,
is with all due respect. So we've looked at spiritual
critics UM. On the scientific side, there is a scientist,
a senior scientist at NASA. His name is Dr David Morrison.
I love this guy, and for years he has been
(37:04):
debunking these different claims about Nibiru, also answering questions about
it from the public um, and he argues the same
thing pretty often. Uh, Here's there's no such thing as
this Nibiru idea either as a brown dwarf, which is
what a lot of um, a lot of Nibiru believers
(37:27):
would describe it as. And regardless, there's nothing currently on
a collision course to Earth in a way that we
can see. Yeah, it's all about close close by, right exactly.
He makes some great points, and this guy really has
a grandfather factor where you know, it just makes you
want to listen to him. He seems endearing. He's like, oh,
(37:48):
all right, man, I hear you. It's really it's it's
it's kind of nice, and he's very reassuringly everything's gonna
be okay, and that he's a NASA scientist. That's nice.
So Dr Morrison argues that were these collision course claims
true and to be believed, astronomers all over the place
would be able to see whatever object is coming at us.
(38:10):
Because it would admit light, you'd be able to see it.
People would notice, even even just casual telescope owners like
my buddy Scott. He would have pointed his telescope up
at the sky and you'd probably be able to see it.
Even people without telescopes might be able to see it,
depending on how bright it is. And then additionally, if
it were, if it were real, and if it were
(38:31):
a planet with substantial mass, then it would already be
altering or perturbing the orbits of Mars and Earth. Yes, exactly.
So the argument is that we would see the orbits
of other easily visible planets changing. Right. Yeah, but what okay,
(38:51):
so let's really fast. What if it is on this
huge elliptical orbit that does take twenty years. I don't
know the science behind this, and I don't know how
much this has been looked into, but I'm sure it has.
But if it was on that massive orbit and it
hasn't been seen like it's on this the far reaching side,
(39:14):
I guess the far ends of its orbit around the Sun.
I wonder how long that time span would be to
where you couldn't see it. I see because it's, you know,
way out there past Pluto. I don't know. I I
worry about that a little bit. I need I need
more Dr Morrison to just reassure me. I think so.
(39:35):
I I think he has reassured people, or he's definitely
presented NASA's side of the art of the stands right.
The problem is that this, although it does sound funny,
you can kind of picture the Larry David music for
this guy who has to wake up every day and
try to convince people that the world's not ending. I'm
(39:58):
sure he does a wealth of other things. Oh yeah, yeah,
I'm just saying this is my pitch, this is my
pitch for this is a TV show. Sure, yeah. I
remember seeing him in two thousand twelve when he, like,
right before the whole thing happened, he just let guys
know everything's Okay, yeah, yeah. According to his estimate, Dr Morrison,
(40:18):
that is, there are over two million sites that talk
about this collision of Earth within the Biru. He says
he gets around five emails about it every day, and
you know, people are just forwarding at NASA and they're
just forwarding Dr Morrison everything. This is from two thousand,
(40:41):
this from before two thousand and twelve. Um, So I
don't I imagine maybe picking up now. At least once
a week this is the part of the problem. At
least once a week, he says, I get a message
from young person as young as eleven who says they
are ill and we're contemplating suicide because of the coming doomsday. Wow.
(41:01):
So if you get five of those a day, you know,
there goes your whole day. I feel like you have
to answer these yeah that, yeah, there, you don't do
anything else besides hopefully grab a bite to eat and
then get some sleep. Uh So it continues, but it
may all end tomorrow. Well yeah, so we've heard the
arguments from all the different sides, people's viewpoints, the prophecies.
(41:25):
How likely is it that the world is going to
end tomorrow? While you're listening to this podcast? Huh. Well,
there are several things we need to consider first, and
we'll get to those right after a word from our sponsor. Well,
the first thing we have to take into account is
(41:46):
that this celestial alignment, it has in fact occurred before,
according to this guy, Christopher M. Grainy. He's a professor
of physics and astronomy at Jefferson Community and Technical call
Legend Louisville. Oh wow, okay, so yes, he's a professor,
and he's writing in the Catholic Astronomer, which is a
(42:08):
vlog for the Vatican Observatory. He says, quote, this basic
arrangement happened before in September eighteen, September three, twelve ninety three,
and ten fifty six. And he says he only searched
back about a thousand years, and their undoubtedly other examples
outside of that time period where this basic arrangement occurred,
(42:32):
where you've got Virgo and Leo, the Sun and the
moon and of the planets. I mean, that's something to
take into account at least that it's not a once
in a lifetime Well perhaps it's a once in a
lifetime thing, but it's not a you know, once in
a civilization thing. Sure once in a reality, or maybe
(42:52):
it's already occurred, and uh we are living in some
version of the universe where it did. Oh, I mean
clearly I would like this version of the universe better. Yeah, whatever,
unending darkness is an alternate reality. But hopefully one day
we can either prove those exist and make the make
(43:14):
the wildest dreams of every science fiction author and fan
ever come true, or uh, at least you know, prove
it doesn't. Well, I'm getting into another podcast at this point.
If I'm I'm already considering multiple realities, so just really fast.
One of the other things that Professor Greeney says is
(43:34):
that I'm just gonna read this quote. Yes, multiple planets
being at Virgo's head wild Jupiter is in Virgo's center
and the Moon is at Virgo's feet is somewhat unusual,
but it's not that unusual. The period of Jupiter's orbit
is a little less than twelve years. That's kind of interesting, right, Um,
so it takes twelve years to go around the Sun,
(43:55):
and therefore Jupiter will be in Virgo with the Sun
there too and the Moon at the feet once every
eleven or twelve years. So again, he's just trying to say, hey,
the star part is maybe not as important as some
of these people are saying. And he's writing in the
Catholic the Catholic astronomer, which is kind of cool. You're
(44:17):
you're getting that religious angle again. And there's also right,
there's also been these allegations that pop up or I
guess rumors or copy pasta call it what you want,
where someone says, you know, the Catholic Church is secretly
preparing for the arrival of this plan. That would be cool.
(44:44):
It's the thing, though, is when you talked about an
organization that size like the Catholic Church, it's quite possible
that there's a group of people in the Catholic Church
who decided to prepare for something that they think is coming.
And it might be a case where no one is
more surprised to learn that than the Catholic Church. That's true,
(45:06):
oh man. But the point remains, it is true these
situations may not be as unique as other other people
believe them to be. Right, So let's consider this question
of David Mead, because there's there's some wiggle room with
(45:30):
the beginning of the end, right, So what if, as
Matt had mentioned earlier, right, it doesn't signal an immediate
media and not with a bang, but with a whimper
to quote T. S. Eliott, And instead, this, this heavenly
alignment becomes a harbinger of some terrible future event or
(45:51):
series of events that would alter the course of human history. Currently,
two str meads point, currently there's some pretty unsustainable stuff
going on in the world right now. And I would
say that relatively speaking, that's always been the case. Yes, yes,
(46:14):
a series of just horrific and tragic Shenanigan's just a
few more steps and then you know, humanity is on
the brink at any time throughout history. So what are
some examples? Okay, well, so some really good examples would
be if we take a look at the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea or North Korea. And we've mentioned it
(46:35):
on this show numerous times, but at this moment in history,
tensions are raping ratcheting up again between the United States
and other Western powers of you know, with North Korea.
They fired two missiles off the bow of neighboring Japan
on August and the fifte September of this year, so
twice in a row, shot two missiles missiles over Japan.
(46:57):
They also held another new clear test, at least according
to the US Geological Survey. Who's you know, they're doing
the nuclear detection that we talked about during the Velor
Incident episode, where where you can detect if a nuke
has been set off by basically testing the ground and
if the ground is shaking in certain ways, you know
(47:17):
one's gone off. And they did confirm that one went
off on September three, so uh yikes. Also, the U
n Security Council just approved more sanctions against the Democratic
People's Republic of Korea, and then we had just this
past Tuesday, President Trump spoke at the UN General Assembly
the United Nations and he had some very choice quotes
(47:43):
for North Korea. We should we read some of these
been yeah, lay one on me. He says, the scourge
of our planet today is a small group of rogue
regimes that violate every principle on which the United Nations
is based. If the righteous many do not confront the
wicked few, than evil will triumph. No one has shown
more contempt for other nations and for the well being
(48:06):
of their own people than the depraved regime in North Korea.
And as we've said before, there. There's a certain kind
of language that the people we use in Joe politics.
And one thing that the United States does, and and
a bunch of other Western countries too, is that when
(48:28):
you want to avoid describing something as a government, when
you want to make another country's governing structure look illegitimate,
call it a regime regime because it seems so temporary
and like it was instated by its own accord and
not by some other international recognition. Right, and it is
(48:52):
it is true that there's an accelerating um in accelerating
situation in that part of the war world. Right, China
in China, Russia and the US all have skin in
the game, and they're there. All three countries have world
(49:17):
altering force projection abilities one way or another, right economically
in the field of energy, and of course military force.
So then Trump went on to say, no nation on
Earth has an interest in seeing this band of criminals
arm itself with nuclear weapons and missiles. The United States
has great strength and patients, but if it is forced
(49:37):
to defend itself for its allies, we will have no
choice but to totally destroy North Korea, which is, by
the way, not not the language of negotiation not the
language you say at the UN General Assembly while you're
in front of delegations of all the countries, especially North Korea,
(49:58):
which was seated right in front of him. Okay, so
it's like an active provocation, That's exactly what it is.
And the right after that, Ben, Now, look, I wouldn't
believe this unless I transcribed it myself and I watched
the live feed. His next quote is rocket man is
on a suicide mission for himself and for his regime.
(50:23):
He called Kim Jong rocket man like right there in
front of everybody. I mean, depending on how you feel
about Elton John that could be and the way he
said it to it's a rocket man, that's the cadence.
Maybe that's the secret to a good uh, a good
(50:44):
impression because he speak like you're with the cadence of
rocket Man. But just still you could feel the tention
right and we you know, especially you've been with your
your background, you understand and can see kind of the
chess pieces. But I think for me and some other
people it's it's like it it just seems scary. I
(51:06):
guess when they are powerful countries talking like this, and
the way North Korea, you know, talks to the United
States and other countries, absolutely, especially because we're we're talking
about a country, the United States, with an executive branch,
and uh, this executive branch has the controlling power of
(51:29):
the army. Not all you know, not not all countries
that way, Not all presidents have constitutionally been assigned foreign
interactions in this manner, and every country practices some sort
of political theater. With that being said, the current military
(51:57):
might of the United States makes this a It makes
this something that other countries are going to pay attention
to across the planet because if if, if the big
guns are in a bad mood, right, every everybody's everybody
becomes warri right. And it's weird because it also made
(52:19):
me think of recently, there was a man that a
lot of people probably have heard of but don't remember
his name. Uh, he passed away. His name was Stanislav Petrov,
and he was working in a submarine and he was
(52:43):
a radar guy for the Soviets, and he was monitoring
radar in Moscow when the Cold War was in full
effect in three and the instrument showed that the United
States had launched a salvo of nuclear weapons direct actually
at Russia just five, five, But I think seeing just five,
(53:05):
just five nukes, you know, I hear you get the
sixth one free? You know what I mean. But the
whole point was that he he was really confused because
everything that he was taught was that if the US
did launch nukes, it would be countless, like there would
be so many you wouldn't be able to even really
understand how many nukes are coming at you. Right and
(53:26):
his his subordinance were panicking, but he kept his wits,
and Petrov decided not to retaliate, and later they learned
it was a good thing because the radar reading was false.
It was generated by sunbeams reflecting off of clouds. How
crazy is that. So although very few people in the
(53:49):
US could recall the name Stanislav Petrov off the top
of their head, I couldn't. And although we can't recall
this guy, he might have saved, He might have saved
part of civilization. I think he absolutely did, at least
in this multiverse, because you know, I don't think about
(54:12):
that that it probably would have triggered. No, it definitely
would have. If he would have shot retaliated, the US
then really does fire missiles, then Russia fires more missiles.
There's the Soviet Union fires more. I don't want to
get tom I don't want to get too off the
rails with North Korea. But the DPRK does have nuclear capability.
(54:36):
But as we mentioned on the show in the past,
the ability to make a nuclear like make a nuclear
reaction occur in the ability to weaponize. That are very
different things, right, very different things, and miniaturization is one
(54:58):
of the tougher things. Even more difficult is the idea
of making a reliable even one time I CBM or
you're kind of continental ballistic missile. And the big worry
now is that they've evolved because they used to have
these missiles called the Typo Don and those things just
(55:19):
like they were the best things the military of DPRK
had at the time. They were not good, they're terrible.
They were just But it's also but it's also scary
whenever someone says, let's build a rocket to blow things up.
Let's see. You know it's not right, it's not like
space exploration, but you still need rockets for that. See,
(55:42):
it's difficult to tell where people are going, where the
countries are going. So now the evolution towards the new
types of missiles is extremely worrying. You've probably seen things
on your local news report of choice a about where
they have the map and North Korea is in the center,
(56:03):
and then it shows a series of circles right telling
you the possible reach at that point or at this point.
So far as we know, the missile technology is still
not not reliable over a long distance. It's possible to
get there, but there are probably manufacturing defects. But it
(56:25):
makes the people in South you know, South Korea feel
not so great, and you know it doesn't have a
manufacturing defect. A suitcase toyota celica. Wait, are you in
traffic right now listening to this? Look around when you
when you get to a stop. So look, here's the deal.
(56:48):
Even if neither of these countries, the United States are
North Korea does the unthinkable and actually launches a nuclear
weapon and creates all out nuclear war, which could and
likely would end the world. It as you know it,
something else might happen here. The actions or some other
type of intervention in North Korea could trigger World War three.
(57:12):
And you know we've we've been through two of those
so far as a world um and I personally don't
like our chances of making it out unscathed, well, definitely scathed,
but alive. I don't see us making it out alive.
Of a third one. Who are we humans? Okay? Everybody? Now,
(57:33):
somebody will make it out. Someone will make it out.
It'll be a Cormick McCarthy situation though, right, well, there
are also people would argue that we've already been in
a world war uh currently or currently embroiled in one
world war being defined as the superpowers fighting, right, not
(57:53):
just the normal uh noise, the normal static of larger
countries victimizing or exploiting smaller countries, right, which is the norm?
That's just that's peacetime currently, Yeah, it is. It is true.
The idea of proxy wars drawing in larger powers can
(58:15):
absolutely happen, and no one knows what that kind of
large scale open conflict would look like at this point.
It would be very different from anything we know, and
some of the most dangerous weapons have never been used.
There's also, of course, the threat of terrorism and or
(58:37):
other radical factions. Right going back to the suitcase thing
or the Toyota celica thing, and look, no Ding's on
Toyota celicas. I just I was trying to pick a
specific example. There's the idea of an attack via a
so called dirty bomb or some other uh tipping point
event to tip our hats to Malcolm Cladwell. And then,
(59:00):
of course, lest we forget the unbridled fury of earth itself.
Natural disasters, Oh man, the hurricanes have been coming non
stop this season. In our third hurricane and as many weeks, No,
it can't be three weeks. It's uh, well, isn't this
four now? Yeah? We had Harvey, and there was another
(59:22):
one there that kind of went away, and then Irma
and then Maria, and there's there are other ones, uh,
and they're all just causing devastation in the Caribbean right now,
Like right now, there was a hurricane I think yesterday
it just plowed through Puerto Rico. Of the of Puerto
Rico was without power and less like the power grid
(59:44):
was knocked out. Terrifying stuff. Just the power of nature.
And people have generators, but that's not the same thing. Yeah,
the hospital. I was listening to NPR and they were
saying one of the major hospitals had two or three
days left of generator power. But they don't think the
power will be restored for months Like that's that's terrifying,
and imagining that on an even larger scale is unthinkable.
(01:00:09):
But you know, that's just one aspect of nature that
could attack us. Sure, droughts, famine, the dangerous domino effect
of ecological collapse. Right, people are most familiar with this
idea when neo nicketsnoids, and other pesticides continue to like
(01:00:31):
ravage be populations. I think you can scroll, if you
want to scroll all the way back through your Facebook
feed to what years several years ago, you will see
that famously misattributed studo quotation with Ernest with Ernest anyway,
with Albert Einstein saying when the bees disappear. I'm pretty
(01:00:55):
sure he didn't say that. I don't think so. But
it was a scary time and it is still a
scary time for honeybee populations and other bee populations. The pollinators,
the ones that actually make the stuff that has flowers grow. Right,
it's freaking me out a little bit, but it's okay you.
I mean, you may not like flowers, you may not
want a mouthful of bees. I can't blame me for
(01:01:15):
either of those. But the thing is we need them around. Yeah,
that's a whole system. It's this complicated thing where you know,
if you want to eat some bacon, you gotta have bees.
There we go. That's a that's a very good ad
for either your future career as an apiarist or a
weird baking commercial. It's a really weird bacon slashes. So yeah,
(01:01:38):
the ocean of cientification, uh, uncurable incurable contagions, snip cancer.
And we saw wildfires just all over the planet recently,
the droughts that were coming through. The earthquake in Mexico
that just happened, there were two, like two in a row.
Wildfires to to a large degree, if people were just
(01:02:00):
not around, wildfires would exist. And it's a part of
the system. It's part of the ecosystem, but it has
changed to with catastrophic consequences. I I have a questions
for a different day, but I I want to see
what you think about this is war and economic necessity.
(01:02:24):
Oh yeah, leave that right there. Respond to that question
if you don't mind everybody listening, if we survive, because yeah,
if the world is still around, then you're like, oh, well,
my plans have opened up for the day, then just
send us an email and let us know what you
think about the idea of wars and economic necessity. My
(01:02:46):
ink is yes, yeah, uh. Going back to the end,
this is this is near the end of our show
on the end of the world, near the end of
the world. Possibly well, we have to remember that the
world is ending for someone every day, right there are
(01:03:07):
history is replete with all these groups and religions and
communities that have assumed the world as they know it
will collapse. And those beliefs can be tied to any
number of things. And probably depending upon how old you are,
or definitely how old your parents are, you within your
(01:03:28):
family will be able to find firsthand accounts of something
that was in the news that was absolutely insane. For
a lot of people, it would be Heaven's Gate or
something right, something like that. These things happen more often
than you might believe, and if you look back and
(01:03:49):
start to build a list of it, you will see
that there there are very few years where there wasn't
some group predicting the end of the world. And it's
a it's addictive thing because all the problems that we
just named didn't start, you know, on Tuesday. It can
easily feel like the end of the world. It's true
that some of these situations are unsustainable, but does it
(01:04:13):
stop tomorrow? Are the beliefs of people who followed these
signs in the heavens in this particular interpretation, What happens
if they're right? What happens if somehow you know that
the gravity the perturbations of the orbits didn't change and
this thing just came and there was no way to
(01:04:33):
tell except for this amalgamation of interpretations and civilism, or
what if on Saturday, for the first time in human history,
or at least civilization up to this point, we get
to see Planet x We can visually. We can with
(01:04:54):
either the naked eye or with the telescope. It's the
first time we can actually see planet XERG and it's
back from It's so it's thousand thousand years sojourn away
from the Solar System and back. Yeah, I mean that
that is the realist possibility of some of the far
more far out stuff of we we haven't seen it,
(01:05:15):
and NASA is assuring us that it's not there, but
it's just because we haven't been able to observe it yet.
The scientists from right, Yeah, that I I think that
would be. So I think that would be tremendously interesting.
I mean, honestly too. I'm remembering that I'm a sucker
for visible cosmic events like this, you know, I was.
(01:05:41):
I was such a curmudgeon when we were going up
stairs in our office to look at the eclipse. I thought, right,
here we go, we gotta do this thing. Now, it's
gonna be dark for why a couple of minutes. I
have rooms with light switches. I was a jerk about
it in my head. But then it's starts happening and
it's amazing, it's astonishing. So yeah, it would be both
(01:06:05):
amazing and astonishing to see something like that. But at
this point, from what we what we currently understand, the
current scientific understanding is that, based on the physics, was
physically impossible. It would be physically impossible for this sort
of object to have this sort of impact date at
(01:06:28):
this point in time, just because of the speeds involved,
the gravity involved the visible objects, right, and the effects
of such an event on them. But again, it's such
a cliffhanger. What happens tomorrow? Are you gonna stay until midnight?
(01:06:49):
I'm definitely gonna monitor. I'm going to monitor the situation.
You know, I just want to see if there is
if I get a Google alert with planet X or
Nimburu or you know something a Google or that's how
you want to find out setting Google or bloody sky,
like the sky itself is bleeding and with some crazy
(01:07:13):
um uh heavy metal, I don't know, maybe something love
crafty and with like some drums and some tuneless pipes
and tentacles. Sure they okay, yeah, you know what? Yeah,
if it's the last day all of it? Yeah, alright,
So what do you think is gonna happen? Do you?
Can you feel something in the air right now as
(01:07:34):
you're listening to this? Has something happened as you're listening
to this? And has something happened? Yeah? Like are you
are you listening to this as an after Like? What
just what just occurred? Well, if the internet still works
and you're maybe there's an LTE signal wherever you are,
you can find us. You can write to us, You
can talk to us about it, ask us questions, tell
(01:07:55):
us what we should cover if again, can everything continues?
Oh and just to interject quickly, I hope it's not
the end of the world. It would be cool to
hang out with Noll again. Does he even know someone
should call it? Oh? Yeah, you're right. But you can
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