February 16, 2024 • 17 mins
Tracy explains why Natalie Clifford Barney needed two episodes. She also shares some of the stories from Barney's stories that didn't make it into either of the episodes.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to Stuff You Missed in History Class, a production
of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracey V.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We spent this.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Entire week talking about Natalie Clifford Barney.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We sure did.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I kind of feel like she would be happy that
somebody spent a week talking about her.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Definitely, I really did.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Like I had read a whole bunch of different sources,
and I then like I read the book that we
mentioned a couple of times, and I had not taken
notes that felt to me particularly in depth, Like there
was a lot of stuff that I sort of summarized
(00:48):
generally of like then she was back and forth between
the United States and Europe, or like the timeline would
just skip ahead by six or seven years. And then
I like got to the end of my note taking.
And I said this in the episode, but like I
was like, well, okay, I have a whole episode of notes,
Like this episode, this notes document is an episode word
(01:10):
count And I initially was going to try to get
it to be one part because I just felt like
this was very similar to the two parter on Collette
from a year ago, and I don't know, I'm always
trying to make sure we have a variety and the
things that we talk about, and I was like, does
this feel like Collette Version two point zero? And then
(01:33):
as I got into it, I was like, I can't
figure out what to cut out. I have a couple
things in this little behind the scenes notes that we
did not hurt out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
One is that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
When Natalie's father proposed to her mother, apparently he was
so awkward about it that she didn't realize what was happening,
and like he made this really convoluted statement that was
something like, I don't have a silver platter to offer you,
(02:08):
so I offer this with two bare hands. And he
hadn't really said what he was offering, but like, to me,
I can see how that would be a marriage proposal,
because I've read a lot of Jane Austen and she
was trying to put to be polite and said something like, well,
I accept it with two bare hands, and then he
(02:30):
was all excited and she was like, what why this happened?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What just happened.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Also, one of the big dramatic things that happened when
Natalie and her sister was at boarding school was that
one night someone sneaked into the you know, the bed
of another student and cut off her long braid of
(02:59):
her hair. Oh, and like this definitely seemed like it
could have been some kind of deeply petty children drama,
right right, somebody got revenge on what somebody else did
by going to cut off their braid in the middle
of the night. However, later on, they hired one of
(03:23):
the teachers from this school as their tutor and like
brought her back I don't remember it was like back
to the United States or to some of their traveling,
but they hired this like favorite teacher from the school
to be their tutor. And they woke up in the
middle of the night and this tutor was sleepwalking with
a pair of scissors while asleep, cutting apart one of
(03:45):
Alice's hats. And they were like, this sleepwalking teacher cut
off the braid.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It wasn't children set down or doing crafts in or sleep.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, And then they fired her because that did not
seem safe. A couple while while doing research, one of
the places that I look for articles on stuff is
at ebsco, and ebsco has little categories that you can
read to see as this you know something that is
(04:16):
subject matter that is what I'm actually looking for. And
one of the articles on Natalie Clifford Barney had the
following categories listed in EBSCO, which is made more hilarious
because all of these that are two words, the first
word is in all capital letters, which just makes it
much more funny to me. So these were art patronage,
(04:37):
rich people, art collecting, and peasants. And I was like,
I feel like this really sums up the tenor of
so much of her life, Like so much of it
was just about rich people doing rich people stuff. Yes,
a couple of sort of more recent developments like we're.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All gonna wear Greek grobes and sand.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, we're just gonna live our life in the manner
of ancient Greeks as we have sort of imagined that
to have been. One of Natalie Clifford Barney's novels was
published in English for the first time just recently in
twenty sixteen. I have not read this novel. It is
called Her Woman Lovers or The Third Woman. It is
a thinly veiled autobiography that is about her relationships with
(05:27):
Leanne de Pougee and another woman named Mimi Franchetti, and
we did not even mention Mimi Franchetti in the episode
at all. But Natalie had a relationship with each of
these two women, and then the two of them then
had a relationship with each other. And this I think
this novel has been reviewed pretty well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I have not read it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The fact that it's only just become available in English
was pretty interesting to me. Also, the first historical marker
in Ohio where related to LGBTQ history was erected in
two thousand and nine and it is in Dayton, Ohio,
birthplace of Natalie Clifford Barney, and it is a Natalie
(06:10):
Clifford Barney historical worker. Me. So yeah, man, she was
such a mass, like such a mass she was. Her
romantic life is like way too complicated for me.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I got very tired.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, like I don't. I mean, I'm boring, So I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I can't imagine wanting to make my life that complicated. Yeah,
Like her whole thing about I'm lazy in friendships. If
I'm your friend, I'm your friend forever. I'm like, then,
why do you want to complicate your life in every
other possible Well?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, why?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Maybe she does have the energy to like end friendships
because she's so busy juggling a bunch of people her own,
probably in some cases unacknowledged jealousy of other people, Like no,
wonder you didn't have the heart to ever in the friendship.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You didn't have any energy, you were tired.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, she, Uh, there were when I also, while I
love I love that sentiment a whole lot, there were
also times that the way she treated other people in
her life, I'm like, that's not what friends do, Natalie, Right, Yeah,
like when when your friend who you've known for fifteen
years comes to you and says, this is the man
I'm marrying. Uh, you don't be like that guy's ridiculous
(07:34):
and I hate his sandals and I hate his poetry,
and I think you should get him to leave. Like,
that's that's not what friends do. No, that's like what
friends who are thirteen might do. Maybe, like hopefully no
one's coming to you and saying you're getting married to
a dude at thirteen, but you know, like just that
kind of petty I don't like that boy you're with. Yeah,
(07:56):
but then when you're an adult person with adult friends
making adult decisions, right, it's not really your place. The
people I know who have been in polyamorous relationships that
have worked have had just so much communication among themselves
(08:19):
and so much clear statement of what the boundaries are
and what the expectations are and all of that, and like,
that really does not seem to be how for the
most part, Natalie Clifford Barney was approaching her life, it
was like she had this idea in her mind of
I can just love everybody and love is great, and
(08:40):
I will share love with everybody and it will be
awesome and nobody will be jealous and nobody will have
drama because love is great and we should share love
with everybody. And then she would get into these situations
where she was like, well, I don't like that you're
a courtisan and you're having male clients. I'm going to
try to rescue you you with money and leanda because
(09:03):
you would be like, no, you're not, and also that's offensive,
and then there would just be a big drama about it.
And it was like She's just the way she envisioned
these things in her mind was not how it worked out. Yeah,
love is great, so long as it follows all of
the unwritten rules about it. I have in my head
and heart.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
As a complete jump aside. Okay, and it made me laugh,
and I have said it on the show before, but
you mentioning that the first LGBTQIA historical marker yeah in
Ohio was in two thousand and nine. We also mentioned
how cross dressing was outlawed in Paris, and I was like,
(09:55):
it still was when that marker went up. It wasn't
until twenty thirteen that that was officially stricken from the books, right,
although there had been provisions over the years for things
like when bicycling, when blah blah blah, and a woman
could ask permission of the government if she had some
sort of extenuating circumstances in which she could only wear
(10:17):
pants to do something she had to do.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But that still makes me giggle.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
She seems to have been so often oblivious, like the
fact that she was so wealthy meant that she just
wasn't aware of a lot of things, like we didn't
talk about the Dreyfus affair at all, Like it's relevant
to the fact that, like some of her writing during
World War Two and even before was antisemitic. And to
(10:49):
be clear, when I say anti Semitic here, I mean
stereotypical epigrams about like people appearance, not like calling for
anybody's extermination like that. That's not saying either of those
(11:11):
things is good, but like we're talking about writing things
that were sort of insensitive at best, not like calling
for harm to come to people. But like does it
doesn't appear that she was even really aware of the
Dreyfus affair happening. She would have been fairly young still
(11:32):
when all of that happened, but it was such an
enormous cultural and political schism in France. She just doesn't
seem to have fully like grasped the Great Depression being
a thing. Doesn't seem to have like really had a
sense of like uh, I mean the fact that she
(11:53):
was like, oh, well, I'll just go to Italy and
I'll stay in Florence, Nate, Like that would have been
at the most, like a few weeks before Italy entered
the war, that she made that decision, and like the
fact that she thought that was a good idea, just
just like she just she was so protected by having
(12:14):
so much money and not caring what other people thought
of her in terms of her sexuality, like and not
having to care because she had so much money just
let her be able to just have no, no sense
of some of what was going on in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh the privilege.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, which is interesting in that you know, she's at
that fascinating intersection where her privilege enabled her to be
a flag bearer for some things while just like ignoring
all the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She didn't want to get involved.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Related, you can't just like courting off one part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
While I think she was such a mess in so
many ways, and I definitely do not love the fascist
support and anti semitism, Like I'm not condoning that at all,
But what she was trying to do with being like, hey,
I'm publicly living my life as a lesbian, and I'm
making my home a safe place for other lesbians. Like
(13:24):
that part I love and the reason that I wanted
to read that passage from the Well of Loneliness even
though it was from a novel and from a fictionalized
depiction of her, that's what she was doing, Like she
was making this place where people who were marginalized could
(13:46):
like come and just be themselves. Obviously not everybody could
come and just be themselves because you know, she and
some of her friends were really gripey about what Radcliffe
Paul had on. But I was like, come and be yourself,
but don't wear what you are if it's not what
I like. And also don't drink or do drugs. That
was also a big thing too. But yeah, like, I
(14:08):
feel like that part of it was really important and
something that I admire about her, even as so many
of the other things about it, I'm like, nah, I
don't like that part, but at all, it's a different
iteration of the thing we come across all the time
in history of like people are a mix.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Of good and bad. Yeah, and you are complicated.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It's almost impossible to say, like, this person was a hero,
this person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was a monster. Like they all have nuance.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, hers is a different flavor maybe of combination than
we've often encountered. Yeah, but it's still the same the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I'm glad that the Marie Lawrence Exhibits finally moved Natalie
Clifford Barney up to the top of the list, because really,
every single time her name has come up, I've been like,
we got to do an episode on her one day,
and that exhibit is over now sadly so people cannot
go to it. I really found it wonderful, though. I
took the train there because even though it takes much
(15:11):
longer to get from Boston to Philadelphia on the train
than on a plane, the train is a way more
chill and comfortable experience. They did start calling for snow
like three day three or four days before I was
supposed to leave, and then they suddenly were calling for
a much greater amount of snow after I was already
(15:33):
on the way and could not do anything about it.
And I was like, well, if I get stuck in Philadelphia,
I'm stuck in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Enjoy the snow.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah. By the time it was actually time to go home,
it seemed like if I were going to get stuck somewhere,
it was probably gonna be New Yorker Rhode Island, because
it was really like Providence, where the weather suddenly got
a lot worse. Right, But it was fine. I got
home fine, Everything was fine. I did wind up getting
the final leg of getting home did take a lot
(16:05):
longer because the roads were bad enough that I wanted
to wait on commuter rail instead of trying to get
a car to drive me. The rest of the way,
and then I got a cold that is still not
one hundred percent better, but it's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I loved that exhibit a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
If you are into Marine Lawrencean's artwork, there's of course
an exhibition catalog that a person can purchase. I also
bought a scarf with some of her artwork on it.
So hope everybody is having a good week, and I
hope whatever's happening for your weekend is going to be great.
(16:46):
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(17:08):
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of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday. I'm Tracey V.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Wilson and I'm Holly Frye. We spent this.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Entire week talking about Natalie Clifford Barney.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
We sure did.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I kind of feel like she would be happy that
somebody spent a week talking about her.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Definitely, I really did.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Like I had read a whole bunch of different sources,
and I then like I read the book that we
mentioned a couple of times, and I had not taken
notes that felt to me particularly in depth, Like there
was a lot of stuff that I sort of summarized
(00:48):
generally of like then she was back and forth between
the United States and Europe, or like the timeline would
just skip ahead by six or seven years. And then
I like got to the end of my note taking.
And I said this in the episode, but like I
was like, well, okay, I have a whole episode of notes,
Like this episode, this notes document is an episode word
(01:10):
count And I initially was going to try to get
it to be one part because I just felt like
this was very similar to the two parter on Collette
from a year ago, and I don't know, I'm always
trying to make sure we have a variety and the
things that we talk about, and I was like, does
this feel like Collette Version two point zero? And then
(01:33):
as I got into it, I was like, I can't
figure out what to cut out. I have a couple
things in this little behind the scenes notes that we
did not hurt out.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
One is that.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
When Natalie's father proposed to her mother, apparently he was
so awkward about it that she didn't realize what was happening,
and like he made this really convoluted statement that was
something like, I don't have a silver platter to offer you,
(02:08):
so I offer this with two bare hands. And he
hadn't really said what he was offering, but like, to me,
I can see how that would be a marriage proposal,
because I've read a lot of Jane Austen and she
was trying to put to be polite and said something like, well,
I accept it with two bare hands, and then he
(02:30):
was all excited and she was like, what why this happened?
Speaker 2 (02:34):
What just happened.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Also, one of the big dramatic things that happened when
Natalie and her sister was at boarding school was that
one night someone sneaked into the you know, the bed
of another student and cut off her long braid of
(02:59):
her hair. Oh, and like this definitely seemed like it
could have been some kind of deeply petty children drama,
right right, somebody got revenge on what somebody else did
by going to cut off their braid in the middle
of the night. However, later on, they hired one of
(03:23):
the teachers from this school as their tutor and like
brought her back I don't remember it was like back
to the United States or to some of their traveling,
but they hired this like favorite teacher from the school
to be their tutor. And they woke up in the
middle of the night and this tutor was sleepwalking with
a pair of scissors while asleep, cutting apart one of
(03:45):
Alice's hats. And they were like, this sleepwalking teacher cut
off the braid.
Speaker 2 (03:52):
It wasn't children set down or doing crafts in or sleep.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Yeah, And then they fired her because that did not
seem safe. A couple while while doing research, one of
the places that I look for articles on stuff is
at ebsco, and ebsco has little categories that you can
read to see as this you know something that is
(04:16):
subject matter that is what I'm actually looking for. And
one of the articles on Natalie Clifford Barney had the
following categories listed in EBSCO, which is made more hilarious
because all of these that are two words, the first
word is in all capital letters, which just makes it
much more funny to me. So these were art patronage,
(04:37):
rich people, art collecting, and peasants. And I was like,
I feel like this really sums up the tenor of
so much of her life, Like so much of it
was just about rich people doing rich people stuff. Yes,
a couple of sort of more recent developments like we're.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
All gonna wear Greek grobes and sand.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Yeah, we're just gonna live our life in the manner
of ancient Greeks as we have sort of imagined that
to have been. One of Natalie Clifford Barney's novels was
published in English for the first time just recently in
twenty sixteen. I have not read this novel. It is
called Her Woman Lovers or The Third Woman. It is
a thinly veiled autobiography that is about her relationships with
(05:27):
Leanne de Pougee and another woman named Mimi Franchetti, and
we did not even mention Mimi Franchetti in the episode
at all. But Natalie had a relationship with each of
these two women, and then the two of them then
had a relationship with each other. And this I think
this novel has been reviewed pretty well.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
I have not read it.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
The fact that it's only just become available in English
was pretty interesting to me. Also, the first historical marker
in Ohio where related to LGBTQ history was erected in
two thousand and nine and it is in Dayton, Ohio,
birthplace of Natalie Clifford Barney, and it is a Natalie
(06:10):
Clifford Barney historical worker. Me. So yeah, man, she was
such a mass, like such a mass she was. Her
romantic life is like way too complicated for me.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
I couldn't.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
I got very tired.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, like I don't. I mean, I'm boring, So I
just can't.
Speaker 1 (06:37):
I can't imagine wanting to make my life that complicated. Yeah,
Like her whole thing about I'm lazy in friendships. If
I'm your friend, I'm your friend forever. I'm like, then,
why do you want to complicate your life in every
other possible Well?
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Yeah, why?
Speaker 1 (06:53):
Maybe she does have the energy to like end friendships
because she's so busy juggling a bunch of people her own,
probably in some cases unacknowledged jealousy of other people, Like no,
wonder you didn't have the heart to ever in the friendship.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
You didn't have any energy, you were tired.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Yeah, she, Uh, there were when I also, while I
love I love that sentiment a whole lot, there were
also times that the way she treated other people in
her life, I'm like, that's not what friends do, Natalie, Right, Yeah,
like when when your friend who you've known for fifteen
years comes to you and says, this is the man
I'm marrying. Uh, you don't be like that guy's ridiculous
(07:34):
and I hate his sandals and I hate his poetry,
and I think you should get him to leave. Like,
that's that's not what friends do. No, that's like what
friends who are thirteen might do. Maybe, like hopefully no
one's coming to you and saying you're getting married to
a dude at thirteen, but you know, like just that
kind of petty I don't like that boy you're with. Yeah,
(07:56):
but then when you're an adult person with adult friends
making adult decisions, right, it's not really your place. The
people I know who have been in polyamorous relationships that
have worked have had just so much communication among themselves
(08:19):
and so much clear statement of what the boundaries are
and what the expectations are and all of that, and like,
that really does not seem to be how for the
most part, Natalie Clifford Barney was approaching her life, it
was like she had this idea in her mind of
I can just love everybody and love is great, and
(08:40):
I will share love with everybody and it will be
awesome and nobody will be jealous and nobody will have
drama because love is great and we should share love
with everybody. And then she would get into these situations
where she was like, well, I don't like that you're
a courtisan and you're having male clients. I'm going to
try to rescue you you with money and leanda because
(09:03):
you would be like, no, you're not, and also that's offensive,
and then there would just be a big drama about it.
And it was like She's just the way she envisioned
these things in her mind was not how it worked out. Yeah,
love is great, so long as it follows all of
the unwritten rules about it. I have in my head
and heart.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
As a complete jump aside. Okay, and it made me laugh,
and I have said it on the show before, but
you mentioning that the first LGBTQIA historical marker yeah in
Ohio was in two thousand and nine. We also mentioned
how cross dressing was outlawed in Paris, and I was like,
(09:55):
it still was when that marker went up. It wasn't
until twenty thirteen that that was officially stricken from the books, right,
although there had been provisions over the years for things
like when bicycling, when blah blah blah, and a woman
could ask permission of the government if she had some
sort of extenuating circumstances in which she could only wear
(10:17):
pants to do something she had to do.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
But that still makes me giggle.
Speaker 3 (10:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
She seems to have been so often oblivious, like the
fact that she was so wealthy meant that she just
wasn't aware of a lot of things, like we didn't
talk about the Dreyfus affair at all, Like it's relevant
to the fact that, like some of her writing during
World War Two and even before was antisemitic. And to
(10:49):
be clear, when I say anti Semitic here, I mean
stereotypical epigrams about like people appearance, not like calling for
anybody's extermination like that. That's not saying either of those
(11:11):
things is good, but like we're talking about writing things
that were sort of insensitive at best, not like calling
for harm to come to people. But like does it
doesn't appear that she was even really aware of the
Dreyfus affair happening. She would have been fairly young still
(11:32):
when all of that happened, but it was such an
enormous cultural and political schism in France. She just doesn't
seem to have fully like grasped the Great Depression being
a thing. Doesn't seem to have like really had a
sense of like uh, I mean the fact that she
(11:53):
was like, oh, well, I'll just go to Italy and
I'll stay in Florence, Nate, Like that would have been
at the most, like a few weeks before Italy entered
the war, that she made that decision, and like the
fact that she thought that was a good idea, just
just like she just she was so protected by having
(12:14):
so much money and not caring what other people thought
of her in terms of her sexuality, like and not
having to care because she had so much money just
let her be able to just have no, no sense
of some of what was going on in the world.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
Oh the privilege.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
Yeah, which is interesting in that you know, she's at
that fascinating intersection where her privilege enabled her to be
a flag bearer for some things while just like ignoring
all the other stuff.
Speaker 2 (12:50):
She didn't want to get involved.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Yeah, it's like.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Related, you can't just like courting off one part of it.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
While I think she was such a mess in so
many ways, and I definitely do not love the fascist
support and anti semitism, Like I'm not condoning that at all,
But what she was trying to do with being like, hey,
I'm publicly living my life as a lesbian, and I'm
making my home a safe place for other lesbians. Like
(13:24):
that part I love and the reason that I wanted
to read that passage from the Well of Loneliness even
though it was from a novel and from a fictionalized
depiction of her, that's what she was doing, Like she
was making this place where people who were marginalized could
(13:46):
like come and just be themselves. Obviously not everybody could
come and just be themselves because you know, she and
some of her friends were really gripey about what Radcliffe
Paul had on. But I was like, come and be yourself,
but don't wear what you are if it's not what
I like. And also don't drink or do drugs. That
was also a big thing too. But yeah, like, I
(14:08):
feel like that part of it was really important and
something that I admire about her, even as so many
of the other things about it, I'm like, nah, I
don't like that part, but at all, it's a different
iteration of the thing we come across all the time
in history of like people are a mix.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
Of good and bad. Yeah, and you are complicated.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
It's almost impossible to say, like, this person was a hero,
this person.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
Was a monster. Like they all have nuance.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
Yeah, hers is a different flavor maybe of combination than
we've often encountered. Yeah, but it's still the same the
same thing.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:49):
I'm glad that the Marie Lawrence Exhibits finally moved Natalie
Clifford Barney up to the top of the list, because really,
every single time her name has come up, I've been like,
we got to do an episode on her one day,
and that exhibit is over now sadly so people cannot
go to it. I really found it wonderful, though. I
took the train there because even though it takes much
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longer to get from Boston to Philadelphia on the train
than on a plane, the train is a way more
chill and comfortable experience. They did start calling for snow
like three day three or four days before I was
supposed to leave, and then they suddenly were calling for
a much greater amount of snow after I was already
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on the way and could not do anything about it.
And I was like, well, if I get stuck in Philadelphia,
I'm stuck in Philadelphia.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Enjoy the snow.
Speaker 1 (15:44):
Yeah. By the time it was actually time to go home,
it seemed like if I were going to get stuck somewhere,
it was probably gonna be New Yorker Rhode Island, because
it was really like Providence, where the weather suddenly got
a lot worse. Right, But it was fine. I got
home fine, Everything was fine. I did wind up getting
the final leg of getting home did take a lot
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longer because the roads were bad enough that I wanted
to wait on commuter rail instead of trying to get
a car to drive me. The rest of the way,
and then I got a cold that is still not
one hundred percent better, but it's okay.
Speaker 2 (16:21):
I loved that exhibit a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
If you are into Marine Lawrencean's artwork, there's of course
an exhibition catalog that a person can purchase. I also
bought a scarf with some of her artwork on it.
So hope everybody is having a good week, and I
hope whatever's happening for your weekend is going to be great.
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