February 12, 2021 • 51 mins
TechStuff listeners check out Jonathan in this three course episode as he and Ariel talk about some wacky news, discuss their thoughts on if the DCUE is salvageable, and pay tribute to one of their favorite Mel Brooks films and a great comedic actress.
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to the large nerd Drunk Collider, the podcast that's all
about the geeky things happening in the world around us
and how very excited we are about them. I'm Ariel casting,
and with me, as always is the super Jonathan Strickland. Ariel,
I have a question for you, considering that we are
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talking about super stuff, flight or invisibility. Classic question. Yeah,
so I I had I think I'm gonna have to
go with invisibility. I've had dreams all the time where
like I'm a kid and I can fly, but it's
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never like high up in the air. It's always like
you start running and then you're just a foot above
the ground. I'm kind of afraid of heights and falling,
so uh I I don't think i'd want to fly, However,
I do LARP and invisibility would be hilarious. I would
never lose a module. What about you, You'd be peeping
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in the locker room. I understand, I got you. I
know where you're coming from. You. I go with flight
because I'm not a deviant like you. I like the
idea of being able to travel wherever I want, whenever
I want, soaring through the air jestically like some sort
of bald pigeon. Yes, flight for me all the way.
(03:07):
I'm not I'm not gonna do that whole like like
invisible Man, creepy motif. I'm not going to do a
creepy motif. Look, I'm just gonna hide in the woods
and jump out at people. You're right, that's I don't
know what I was thinking. Flying anywhere you want, any
(03:27):
time you want is not great because let's say you
want to fly to Hawaii. You didn't say that super
strength comes with your flights. So you're just gonna be
carrying that very heavy suitcase with you through there all
the way to Hawaii're gonna get so much perfect. I
plan on just buying everything once I get there. I'm
gonna go to first stop in Hawaii, retail outlet, mall.
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Second stop in Hawaii, the beach, maybe maybe the Pokak
because that that place is the bomb. Okay, well, we've
got We've got that, but we have news to cover.
But before we get to any of that aerial I've
got some fast breaking news. Here's the breaking news. It's
super important. George Clooney has signed on to become an
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executive producer and star of a TV series Buck Rogers. Okay,
oh that's great. What what details do we have on that?
George Clooney has signed on to be an executive producer
and star of a new Buck Rogers TV show. That's
all I got. I guess it wasn't I guess I
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wasn't that important. No, I mean it's something to possibly
look forward to, so that, you know, in a couple
of months when we get details about it, you go, oh, yeah,
I remember that. I like Buck Rogers. Did you ever
watch the TV series The Camp like nine seventies era? Oh? Man,
I watched that too, And whenever I think about that,
(04:53):
I think of mel Blank doing the voice of Tweakie,
the little robot Batty Baby Batty. Uh So, I'm not
sure it's going to be the same, especially since I'm
pretty sure they're going to go back to the original
reference material, which doesn't have a spunky little sidekick robot.
But yeah, I saw that news and thought, well, we
(05:14):
should include this because you know, it's it's nostalgic for
for me and you and all the young listeners out
there are like what Buck who that? You know what?
It's okay, because the next news item we have is
four young listeners, uh, which is that the Guinness Book
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of World Records is trying to do, uh like make
is set a record of the most people singing a
song from the Greatest Showman ever. So that the idea
being that it's a it's a big collaborative effort, right,
that you're going to have the most people singing and
they're going to create a collaborative video of all these
(05:56):
different people singing a particular song from the Great Showman,
which is is from now on. Uh. They are trying
to get at least five thousand participants. It is a
benefit for the Actors Fund, which, if you are not familiar,
is a financial fund for the Broadway actors who really
need it right now since Broadway is still closed a
(06:18):
year later and probably will be for most of one Unfortunately,
I want to go see my shows. I know me too.
But as of listening to this episode, you can still
be a part. They want you to record the video
and challenge four friends using the hashtag b Way World
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Record uh and shared on social media. They also say
that you can tag Broadway stars and challenge them. You
know that Hugh Jackman is going to be part of this. Yeah,
they've already got some actors committed. They've got Alice Ripley
from Next to Normal, John Tart tag Lea from Avenue Q,
Kristen Anderson Lopez from Frozen, and Jay Armstrong Johnson from
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Family the Opera. Uh, you can be a part of
this up until February, which is the deadline. I think
I think I'll give this one a skip because my
singing voice isn't strong enough. And also, uh, I'm like,
I'm at best a casual fan of the Greatest Showman.
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At best, I was about to say, like, they don't
say anything about having to sing it, well, so that's
just an excuse. But I do understand the Greatest Showman
I'm not a huge fan of. You know what, I
would have actually would have enjoyed it a lot more
if they had not said it was supposed to be P. T. Barnum,
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because I had real issues with the the lionization of P. T. Barnum,
who was a much more complicated person than the musical
would have you understand. But that's that's But I don't
want to yuck anyone's yeah either. I know a lot
of people really love the Greatest Showman, and there's nothing
wrong with loving it. I mean, that's that's you do
(08:09):
you for me. There was one song in that show
that I really loved and another song that I liked,
but um, but that was that. Everything else neither of
them are from now on fair enough. I mean, it
is interesting to say they've gotten permission from Disney to
do that. Yes, yes, this is this is something that's
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got full clearance. To me. It's again another remarkable example
of Disney giving the go ahead for some creative uses
of their properties, which, as we've pointed out in previous episodes,
is remarkable considering how protective Disney has been of its
I P in the past. Also weird but delightful was
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the latest trailer for Raya in The Last Dragon. I really,
you know what, I hadn't seen anything I knew about
this movie. I knew it was coming out, but hadn't
seen any trailers, hadn't watched anything of it until we
were making this episode. And uh, and the trailer is.
First of all, the style looks amazing. They made Riya
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look like a total um kick butt warrior. I was
trying to think of a good, family friendly way of
saying it. She looks amazing in it. The antagonist is,
at least from what I can gather from the trailer,
also a woman, and then the dragon is a a
female dragon. So we've got a film where multiple characters,
(09:38):
important characters to the story are all women, which I
also thought was awesome. It's not no one draws attention
to it in the trailer, but I noticed it just
because it's something that we haven't seen a lot of
until fairly recently, and I like that that trend is continuing.
I do too. I also really like that, Um. I
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like that the character is such a kick but character,
Like you said, um, there it's it almost feels like
Disney wanted their take on the Avatar the Last Airbender.
To me, yeah, I was getting a lot of that.
I was getting a little bit of Mulan vibes. Um.
There were a couple of other like properties I would
(10:20):
think of, even a kuba and the two strings. Um,
there's a little bit of that in there. There. There's
there's definitely some stuff you can tell where some influences
came in. Um. The attitude of the dragon feels like
very much a nod to sort of Wosho and Mulan. Um.
I mean, it's Aquafina and it's a it's a good trailer,
(10:44):
and the action looks like it's going to be really
really interesting. I am eager to see this. You know,
it's interesting because it doesn't it doesn't look like the
kind of typical feel good sort of Disney stuff like.
It doesn't seem all warm and fuzzy and squishy. It
seems a little more action oriented. Um, which is great too.
(11:07):
I think that looks really interesting. I think I haven't
been as excited for a Disney computer animated movie as
this since Record Ralph, which I know that you don't
feel the same way about that movie as I do.
For me, I think i'd have to go with if
we're not talking picks are, if we're just talking about
Disney proper Big Hero six, Yeah, I can see that
(11:29):
as well, which has a very similar kind of actionly
vibe to it. This will be available on Disney Plus
on their premier for premium on March five, which means
eventually you'll get it on your regular subscription, but I might. Honestly,
I think I'm going to pay for it too, because
I really want to see it, and I don't want
I want that that experience of discovery and not have
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everything kind of laid out for me before I get
a chance to see it, because the discovery part, you know,
I'm sure we can talk about this in a longer
section at some future or episode, but the discovery part
of a new property is one of the great joys
for me. Like I can handle going in hearing spoilers,
but I really love that that experience of discovering something
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as it's playing out. Um, you just can't really, you
can't replicate that if you already know what's happening before
you go and see it. It's different. You can still
enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is different. Mhm.
I agree. I agree. Something on Disney Plus that you
I don't think you're going to have to pay premium
for is the Black Panther show that's in develop or
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at least a Wakonda show. It's a show set in Wakonda.
What whether or not it director, whether or not it
involves a Black Panther character, uh played by sure, you
would imagine, we don't know. It may be that it
may not even be set in the quote unquote modern
day of the Marvel Cinematic universe. There's no real telling,
(12:58):
but we know that the director of Panther is going
to be behind the development of the show, and that
it is set in Waconda, and bring it on. I
am eager to see more of that world. Yeah. Yeah,
it was such such great creation, and we only got
a small part of it in the first Black Panther movie,
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so and and and a little bit in Infinity War
a little bit, not near enough, not near enough. You
can tell that there's a whole bunch of written richness
in that world that we didn't get to see. Uh.
Something I did get to see this week. Uh is this?
This was something Ariel shared with me that I had
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not seen, And I'm so thankful that I have a
co host like Ariel to bring this into my life. Yeah.
Is Uh. Some fans took the Jurassic Park trailer and
mashed it up with pee wee Herman making all of
the dinosaurs pee wee Herman. When you hear that concept,
you say, oh, I know what this is gonna look like.
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But no, it's way better than what you imagine in
your brain. For for one thing, they resisted the urge
of making a dinosaur sized peee Herman. It's a Peewee
Herman sized pee Wee Herman, and the the integration of
peee Herman shots into Jurassic Park scenes is done pretty
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darn well. Like there are bits where you're looking at
a Jurassic Park character and Pewee Herman is popping up
from behind a tree, and you know, you can tell
there was some compositing done, but it looks really good
for for a for a joke. Yeah, And there's only
one time where they skipped to like a not Jurassic
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Park scene and it's brief, yes, I think, yeah, yeah,
where where it's him over at on the corner of
a house and he's just doing his little pee Herman laugh.
Everything else is essentially Jurassic Park with some Peee Herman
integrated into it, including the missequence where the t Rex
is chasing the jeep and it's the must go faster,
must go faster. And I don't want to say anymore
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than that other than you need to see it to
really appreciate it. But we'll put that link in our
show notes on our website when this episode goes live
so that you can watch it too. We just wanted
to give it a shout out since we love mashups.
We had to love on this mashup, yes, and that
wraps up our quick headlines for this week. When we
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come back, we are going to have a deep discussion
about the DC Cinematic Universe and what we would do
if we were put in charge of it in order
to kind of fix it. Seems like it's really presumptuous,
but I'm going to say fix it. And then also
stick around because at the end of this episode with
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our mashup we are we have chosen a mash up
topic that is in part a tribute to the late
great Chloris Leachman, a phenomenal comic actor who we lost,
uh just recently, and so you want to stick around
for that too, But first we gotta take this quick break.
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I'm taking it by uh you saying that it needed
to be fixed before the break, that you are not
a fan of how it is currently being laid out.
I am not, Ariel. Thank you for asking me about this.
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Uh I know I I I've made it pretty clear.
Anyone who listened to old episodes of Large Nergron Collector
the classic ones from like tent seventeen, you know that
even back then I was complaining about the way d
C was going about their cinematic universe, that that that
dead horse is still continuing to be beaten by yours, truly,
(19:05):
because I don't think it's necessarily gotten much better. I
have multiple problems with it. Problem one is that the
whole Zack Snyder take on making everything dark and grim
doesn't sit too well with me, largely because like, I
think there should be some dark and grim nous in there.
I think there need to be stinks, Like without steaks,
(19:27):
there's no conflict, and without conflict, there's no drama. But
I feel like heroes need to occasionally be i don't know, heroic, yeah,
and inspiring and that sort of thing, which is why
Wonder Woman, the original Wonder Woman film from this this
latest match is still I think my favorite of all
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the ones that have come out so far, with the
possible exception of Shazam, which feels almost tangential, but it
was also pretty dark. It was pretty dark, but it
had more lighthearted moment than any of the other DC films.
And then the other part kind of ties into that
tangential thing, which is that there is no coherent or
cohesive strategy right like there are so many different DC properties,
(20:15):
and there are disagreements about which ones actually fit into
the mainline DC universe versus being some sort of offshoot
like Joker. The movie Joker, which a lot of people loved,
is not part of the mainstream DC cinematic universe. There
was talk of another Jared leto Joker movie, which never,
(20:36):
as far as I know, is not happening, But that
also wasn't going to be part of the mainstream DC universe,
And you start to wonder, well, why are you bothering
crafting these I mean, I understand the appeal of having
heroes from different uh, different franchises, are different lines crossover.
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There's always like it's that dream, Oh yeah, it's Batman
and super Man. Like, I get it. That's a big
deal in the comics, it's a big deal in the movies.
But if you're not going to craft a really strong,
coherent universe, then it almost seems like you should really
just be developing one shot films that are good stories
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featuring these characters, but there's no necessary connective tissue to
everything else. I agree. So I mean d C to
the Dark thing. D C is not a Stranger two
Dark storylines in the comics. But I do feel like
you need to you need to set up the hero
(21:37):
in that story as the hero, like you said before,
you can enjoy that journey down down a path that
they maybe shouldn't go. You're more invested then, um and
then yeah, the continuity is hard. I feel like they
they tried so hard to catch up with Marvel, but
by that time, they already had a bunch of TV shows,
(22:00):
and they already had all of these one off movies.
We've had so many Batman series, um, that it was
almost like an afterthought. I do feel like they up
until the Snyder cut, I feel like they had been
slowly edging away from everything being super dark, even through
this latest wonder Woman movie. UM, but I still feel
like trying to add that levity to what little through
(22:24):
line there is, it just makes the stories extra long
and extra convoluted. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's there's no efficiency
in storytelling in the DC Cinematic universe. Everything is a
little too bloated and uh, I mean when when there
are important block points that hinge on such silly things
(22:47):
like the fact that two characters have mother figures who
were named Martha and somehow that's what brings them together.
I mean, I get it, like that's been that's been
mean to death, right, but it's still ridiculous. It's why
it's and mean to death. It is a ridiculous point
in a film. And uh, you know, there's just so
many decisions that I disagreed with, especially in those early
(23:10):
Snyder films, like without as you say, without making the
hero heroic, you have no one to cheer for, You're
It's like they decided they wanted to skip straight to
the Frank Miller version of Old Batman and show him
as you know, someone who is who is still plotting along,
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but it's very cynical and very um uh pessimistic about
things and um pragmatic in a way that's extremely dark.
And they didn't want to get to any of the
stuff that led him to that journey. They just wanted
to jump to that. Same with them with the fact
that they didn't go through the same setup that Marvel
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did when it began to establish all these individual characters
and then the connection they had with one another to
lead into the Avengers titles. And you know, we didn't
even get into the Thanos storyline until we were probably
about halfway through those initial Marvel films. It was only
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in the back half that the Thanos storyline really started
to play out, and to the point where some people
were even asking like, why should we care about Thanos?
And then in fanity war happened and everyone suddenly really
cared about Thanos. But it just showed that they did
a very long lead up to that, whereas d C
was almost like, dump all the toys out on the floor, Okay,
(24:35):
now they're all together, let's make them do stuff. But
they didn't build any of that individually. Like I said,
I feel like it really was them playing a game
of catchup to try to to try to get to
Marvel success level before people were burnt out on superheroes,
which has come and gone since the m c U
has begun. Um. I feel like when they said okay,
(24:58):
now anybody can make any movie about any DC character,
DC comic character, um, that it was their attempt to
try to salvage the fandom without having to continue, like
(25:18):
basically trying out alternate timelines to see if any of
those stick better than their current prime timeline so then
they can just switch over to that. I mean, like
clearly the Harley Quinn movie as an example of that,
right where the Harley Quinn film. They saw how people
responded to the character of Harley quinnin Suicide Squad, even
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though that movie is its own garbage fire. The first
the first one, because I think the next one is
gonna be really good, well until it comes out, I'm
not gonna hold my breath, right, so they have to
prove me wrong. Okay, I don't. I feel pretty comfortable
saying the first film is a garbage fire. Uh, But
(26:03):
that that led to the ability for the Harley Harley
Quinn film to come out, and I think people responded
more towards that, which just showed that there are and
Joker again. Joker is another movie that did phenomenally well. Um,
i'll spare you my thoughts on Joker, but it did
really well and again is not connected to the rest
(26:26):
of the threads in the d C universe. So it's
a complicated issue. Like if it were me, I'd almost
say like, all right, we're gonna have to start with
a fresh slate. Um, some of the casting I might
keep because I think that some of the folks who
are in their roles are good for those roles, But like,
(26:48):
we're just gonna do what the comic books do occasionally,
which is that you do a big reset. It happens
in comics all the time, where you have some sort
of cataclysmic event that destroys every relity so that it
could start fresh and then you start screwing it up
all over again, but at least you can start fresh. Well,
And I thought that's what they were doing with the
James Gunn Suicide Squad that's coming out, because it's just
(27:11):
it's it's not a second movie, it's just another suicide
Squad movie. But then they talked. But and you know,
James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, and
the cast for this new movie is pretty spectacular. Um,
they all all of the actors ride a good line
between action and intense and comedy. But then they did
(27:33):
carry over some of the characters like Harley Quinn and
Boomerang and things like that, so it's not quite as
much of a reboot as I initially thought it was
going to be. Yeah, Um, so if you were trying
to fix this, like my my argument is to scrap
it all and start over. Um, but do you think
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it's something that you could see as being salvageable, like
keeping everything that exists now and just building further upon it. Yes. Yes,
And my reasoning for that is I've said since the beginning,
and if you're a long time Lency listener you'll know
this that I feel like the real problem with the
Justice League is how dark it is. I feel like
they've been going lighter and lighter and lighter. Uh. Justice League,
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much like the newer Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. The
storyline was not strong, but they got the characters right. Um.
Even at the end Superman got to be Superman and
that was nice. But I enjoyed watching all the characters
and I enjoyed watching their chemistry. So all we need
to do is have happy Superman fly around the world
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reverse time, and then we can continue on with the
Justice League, because that movie did the poorest and to
me it was one of the most one of the
more enjoyable ones. Um. Maybe not quite a from a
character standpoint, maybe not as quite as enjoyable as Wonder
Woman or Aquaman, which were both I found both of
(29:01):
them fun, but far too long. Um And mainly because
the Justice League villain was pretty milk chosty. But um, well,
now you're going to get dark side in the Snyder cut.
So yeah, I don't. Yeah, that's that's exactly how I
feel aial, So don't don't feel badly about it. But
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Snyder cut, but more movies. I appreciate what you say,
like I I, I don't deny that. You know, you
could continue. Obviously they're going to continue to build on
the foundation they have laid. I think the reason, the
real reason, if you really boil it down then I
want to scrap it all and start over is fundamentally
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I despise the fact that the Kents we're trying to
tell Clark to be selfish and to to value self
preservation over helping others, because to me, that is fun
dem mentally the opposite of what most versions of Superman's
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origin story point to, like the whole idea being that
this is an alien who decides that he wants to
protect humans because he was raised by genuinely decent people.
And when you take that away, it just like to me,
it's like, well, you just ruined everything. You just you've
(30:25):
soured the whole thing, and yeah, you can get him
to come around and choose to be noble. But that's
a different character arc art. It's not it's not invalid.
It just to me, isn't Superman. I mean, I get it,
I get it. You know. I enjoyed Man of Steel,
which is is the movie that started that whole path
(30:45):
you don't like of Superman. But while I thought it
was an entertaining movie, I did not think it was
a great Superman movie. It wasn't it. It wasn't a
great Superman movie to start off the d C EU with. Yeah,
at the time, I didn't know there was going to
be a d C EU, So yeah, I just to me,
(31:09):
it was like it was, it started with a wrong
turn and then it got more wronger. Fair enough, but
you know what, we also admit like that that's down
to our personal tastes. There may be many of you
out there who absolutely love the DC Cinematic Universe, which
you know that's totally valid too, Like your opinions are
just as valid as ours. Yeah, And you know, like
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you said, I've seen the d C EU movies and
I will continue to see them. And you know, Marvel
has had to scrap some of their properties, or has
tried to scrap some of their properties multiple times to
relaunch them, X Men, Fantastic Four, things like that, So
it's not just parent property specific. Yeah, no, I mean that. Also,
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Marvel has has caught some flak for not integrating some
of their Netflix TV series into the overall Marvel Cinemaic universe.
Like that direction only goes one way, where the stuff
that happened in the movies gets referenced in the shows,
but the shows never get the carry over into the movies,
which is unfortunate because Daredevil and Jessica Jones and Luke
(32:11):
Cage are all awesome and Iron Fist is also there. Yeah,
but we think that Daredevil is going to be in
the New Spider Man, so that's what we're hoping, So
maybe all the rest will follow suit. We'll see if
it works, then they might continue it. Yeah, but you know,
this was our our DC conversation. If we want to
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Monday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Okay, Ariel, you
picked the two properties that we're going to mash up,
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and initially I resisted this, but eventually came around what
I thought of a joke so bad that I had
to do a mash up. But let's explain what two
properties you picked? Okay, So we picked the fantastic four
mainly because of some conversations happening around one division that
we're not going to get into because spoilers. Uh. And
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we also picked young Frankenstein. So let's talk a little
bit about these properties, because at least in my mash up,
I have some let's call them deep cuts that I
reference that I think are going to be lost on
probably nine cinemaur audience. Sure, but the basic story is
(36:25):
that there's this gentleman Gene Wilder who is uh Dr
Franken Frankenstein. Uh, because he doesn't want to be confused
with the crazy Dr Frankenstein Um. Who finds out he's
got a like a familial house that he's he's earned
when his great great grandfather passed away. Um, and he
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goes there and then he becomes the mad scientist and
eventually accepts his name Frankenstein. But there's uh huge amount
of comedy. You've got I Gore, who is a play
on igor. You've at Frod Blueckhardt, who's the character that
Clos Leachman played, who every time they say her name,
(37:07):
no matter where she is, a horse whinnies because it
sounds familiar to the German word for glue um, which
is never explained in the movie. But it just happens.
It's a running gag that they never explain, and I
love it. And it's just such a lighthearted, fun play
on on a really great but kind of dark story.
Frankenstein Um. That is just brilliant. Yeah. Uh, Fantastic Four Okay,
(37:32):
So in case you aren't aware of who the Fantastic
Four are, it's a heroic group of four characters. Uh.
There have been different members of the Fantastic Four over
the years, but the classic four are Read Richards, who
is Mr. Fantastic. He can stretch his limbs and get
all bendy bendy. There's uh, Sue Storm later Sue Richards,
(37:55):
who is the invisible first the Invisible Girl, but she
manages to it's grew the patriarchy and become the Invisible woman. Um, yeah,
that comics were not the most woke back in the day. Uh.
You have Johnny Storm, Sue's brother, who is the human Torch,
and you have Ben Graham who becomes the Thing, a
big rocky orange hulk like guy, and they end up
(38:22):
being a radiated There's different versions of their origin story,
but that's how they all get their powers. So they
didn't start off with powers. They get them because they're
exposed to radiation. They typically are facing off against pretty
weird and cosmic kind of of bad guys and problems,
but they also have a enemy in Dr Doom. Dr
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Doom is frequently their antagonist, and for my story, one
important thing you need to know is that, at least
in one version of the Marvel timeline, Read Richards and
Sue Richards have a son named Franklin Richards, who has
like reality bending powers. That's going to be important in
(39:09):
my story. There's also other references that longtime Marvel fans
are going to get and nobody else, So just a warning. Yeah,
kind of kind of the same with mine. Um I
actually I was on the opposite end. I was very
excited about this at the beginning, and as I was
(39:29):
writing my mashup, I quickly went, oh, this is I
cannot meet Melbrook's genius. But yeah, this was a challenging one,
I will admit, But once I came up with the
terrible punchline, everything else was just like how long can
I delay getting to the punchline. It's it's a tribute.
(39:49):
It's a tribute to something we love and a great actress.
So uh, I apologize and here we go with the
fantastic frow blue curtain. May okay. So Dr Read Richards
pronounced Reshorts is speaking at a symposium at Hedgeman University
one day when a mysterious figure enters and tells him
(40:12):
he has acquired his family's estate in lat Varia. While
he doesn't like to be associated with his family legacy
of mad science, Read leaves his then fiance Alicia masters
to see what the ordeal is about. Upon reaching the
estate in Latviia, Reshorts meets a beautiful blonde named Susan
and her brother, who introduces himself as John I see.
He thinks he's being clever picking on Reshorts his pronunciation
(40:34):
of his name, but really he's just being kind of annoying.
These two are the Storm siblings, who are the assistance
of the previous inhabitant, Nathaniel Richards. Read is so enamored
by Susan that he doesn't even notice as the caretaker
of the estate, Frau Evelyn Blucker, steps up behind him
and offers to show him to his room. When he
turns back to invite Susan to dinner, she's gone, foreshadowing
(40:58):
that evening. As Reshorts explores these date, he happens upon
a staircase leading to the basement, whereupon he finds the
Storm's siblings standing over a corpse in a lab as
fraud Evelyn Blueger is about to put a brain into
the corpse. Oh yeah, there's also a lab horse. Every
respectable at Varian Lab has one. Uh. The name on
the jar holding the brain is a ben normal Uh. Reshorts,
(41:21):
a surpride and yells out fraud Blucker's name, which startles
a horse, who kicks the re animation machine, showering all
of the inhabitants in the room with radiation. As Fraud
places a brain in the corpse, all of a sudden,
the corpses alive, but he is melted with the stone
slab he was laying on to gain a stone skin.
Susan is gone, but Reshorts can hear her yelling, and
John I accidentally ignites, scaring the grim monster thing away.
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Reshorts reaches for the door, realizing he doesn't need to
move his feet to do so, but his stretchy arm
reaches the door too late. Only fraud Blucker is not
affected by the radiation, having assisted her loved, beloved Nathaniel
for so many years that she had become immune to it.
All did to do insites the local authority, Inspector von Doom,
a man with one good eye, a metal mask, and
(42:06):
a metal arm, to come question Reshorts. However, all Reshorts
can make out about what Inspector Doom is saying is
that there's a monster and if he finds them, he
will end him. You see, his mask is muffling too
much of the other words, he's saying for Reshorts to
even understand it. Uh. Now, the three and Frau must
find this thing. Thankfully, Aba Normal was actually the love
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child of Nathaniel and Frau Evelyn Bluehurt, and she knows
just how to find him with his childhood love of pizza.
There's only one pizza joint in life area, and tonight
is open mic night. When they get there, they find
the grim Thing doing stand up and enjoying his slice.
They know they must protect him, being so unique and clever,
(42:50):
so they bring him back to the estate just as
reads fiance Alicia shows up. She sees the Thing, but
instead of being frightened, falls in love with him, which
is okay because Reshorts is kind of actually got a
thing for Susan. And as we pan out from the
the estate, we see John I Storm hiding worldly behind
a horse as Frau Evelyn Bluegert searches him for him
longingly because she's also a bit of a pyromaniac. I
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like that. There seemed to be some references to the
the the the original Fantastic Four film by that Roger
Corman produced that was never released specifically for you, Jonathan
because you can't understand doom in that version, all right, Well,
here here's mine. Um the title will become into it later.
(43:40):
We open in the Baxter Building as the Fantastic Four's headquarters.
The Fantastic Four are an established team at this point,
having had many adventures under their collective belts. Read and
Sue Richards are the proud parents of a young boy
named Franklin, who has impressive powers of his own. Are
heroes receive a distress call they must immediately have off
to Latin Veria to battle the nefarious dr Doom. Little
(44:04):
Franklin is left behind in the care of others. The
next morning, his caretakers are glued to the television, watching
reports the Doom, the Fantastic Four, and indeed all of
Latin Veria have disappeared. The scene dissolves and we see
a title card saying twenty five years later, Franklin is
an adult now giving a lecture at our prestigious university.
(44:26):
He's an expert in linguistics in history, and it's clearly
attempting to suppress his past and his own superpowers. While
giving the lecture, one determined student keeps asking Franklin about
his famous parents. Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman and
his famous uncle, the Human Torch, and also that big
rocky dude known as the Thing. Franklin attempts to dismiss
(44:47):
the questions with humor, but the student persists, and in
a moment of temper, Franklin uses his reality bending superpowers
to turn the student into a Jack in the box.
Class dismissed, he says after his lecture, an old man
who had been sitting in on the lecture comes forward,
revealing himself to be a messenger from lat Varia. He
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explains that without any warning, the entire nation that had
disappeared is back. Much of it is in ruins, but
not all of it, and that Franklin in particular is
urged to go there to claim his birthright. Though the
old man doesn't have much information about what exactly that is. Franklin,
overcome with anxiety, makes arrangements to travel to lat Varia
(45:28):
right away. Arriving by train at the station, he has
greeted by the humanoid experimental robot B type Integrated Electronics
or Herbie, though it's pronounced her By. According to the robot,
Herby and Franklin traveled to an old abandoned castle used
to be doctor Doom's lair, but now it's practically unoccupied
(45:48):
as Doom and the Fantastic Four have not reappeared. Along
the way, Franklin and her By encounter a young woman
named Inga Summers, who was given instructions to help assist
Franklin and any way. Oh, and I mentioned that Doom's
castle was practically unoccupied, but no, there is one person there,
Fraud Bluecher, who is secretly Cynthia von Doom, dr Doom's
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mother played by Cloris Leachman. Of course, At the castle,
Franklin spends time exploring, attempting to find any signs of
what happened to the Fantastic Four. Bluecher tries to embrace
him to encourage him to embrace his superpowers, but Franklin resists,
unwilling to acknowledge that this is in fact his birthright.
What follows is an adventure in which Franklin tries to
(46:32):
make his own robot without the use of his superpowers.
He builds a robotic human Torch, which just goes around
insisting that no, he's the real original human Torch and
Johnny Storm was the second human Torch. You just gotta
buy the comics to find out that the original human
Torch was a robot, but Franklin points out that if
you are a robot, you aren't a human torch, You're
(46:55):
a robot Torch, and that goes poorly. Next thing, you know,
the robot Human torches rampaging through the countryside. Franklin and
team have to lure the robot back, insisting that it's
not evil, it's just misdirected. Franklin is able to coax
the robotic human Torch back to the castle with promises
of a special october Fest celebration, knowing that the robot
(47:18):
is particularly fond of Oom Pah bands, and so Franklin
inga Summers and Herby play Polka, luring the human Torch
robot back to the castle. In the process, the robot
discovers a hidden compartment in the castle, and in it
is a special German beer mug. Emblazoned on it are
the Fantastic Four and on the bottom of the mug
(47:39):
it's a message to Franklin with love from Mom and Dad.
And then it happens. We finally smash cut to the
title of the movie Young Franklin Stein cut to end
credits post credit scene. I guess the Fantastic Four and
Doom show up or something. I don't know. I you
saw her was going, I did, and I'm I'm I
(48:04):
don't know whether to say thank you or I'm so sorry. Um,
Young Franklin Stein, Yeah, yeah, we got it because it's
a German beer mug. You see, his name is Franklin Okay, okay,
So if any of you think you've got a better
way to mash up the Fantastic for a young Frankenstein,
(48:26):
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out to us and tell us we would love to
hear your mash up ideas and if we like, we
might even read them on the air. Yeah and uh,
and the human Torch really was originally a robot Okay, anyway, wait, wait,
what would a human torch just like robot Torch just
be like a lighter like you would? You would think so?
(48:49):
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the original heroes that marvel inherited along with Captain America.
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and with me, as always is the super Jonathan Strickland. Ariel,
I have a question for you, considering that we are
(02:02):
talking about super stuff, flight or invisibility. Classic question. Yeah,
so I I had I think I'm gonna have to
go with invisibility. I've had dreams all the time where
like I'm a kid and I can fly, but it's
(02:23):
never like high up in the air. It's always like
you start running and then you're just a foot above
the ground. I'm kind of afraid of heights and falling,
so uh I I don't think i'd want to fly, However,
I do LARP and invisibility would be hilarious. I would
never lose a module. What about you, You'd be peeping
(02:44):
in the locker room. I understand, I got you. I
know where you're coming from. You. I go with flight
because I'm not a deviant like you. I like the
idea of being able to travel wherever I want, whenever
I want, soaring through the air jestically like some sort
of bald pigeon. Yes, flight for me all the way.
(03:07):
I'm not I'm not gonna do that whole like like
invisible Man, creepy motif. I'm not going to do a
creepy motif. Look, I'm just gonna hide in the woods
and jump out at people. You're right, that's I don't
know what I was thinking. Flying anywhere you want, any
(03:27):
time you want is not great because let's say you
want to fly to Hawaii. You didn't say that super
strength comes with your flights. So you're just gonna be
carrying that very heavy suitcase with you through there all
the way to Hawaii're gonna get so much perfect. I
plan on just buying everything once I get there. I'm
gonna go to first stop in Hawaii, retail outlet, mall.
(03:49):
Second stop in Hawaii, the beach, maybe maybe the Pokak
because that that place is the bomb. Okay, well, we've
got We've got that, but we have news to cover.
But before we get to any of that aerial I've
got some fast breaking news. Here's the breaking news. It's
super important. George Clooney has signed on to become an
(04:11):
executive producer and star of a TV series Buck Rogers. Okay,
oh that's great. What what details do we have on that?
George Clooney has signed on to be an executive producer
and star of a new Buck Rogers TV show. That's
all I got. I guess it wasn't I guess I
(04:32):
wasn't that important. No, I mean it's something to possibly
look forward to, so that, you know, in a couple
of months when we get details about it, you go, oh, yeah,
I remember that. I like Buck Rogers. Did you ever
watch the TV series The Camp like nine seventies era? Oh? Man,
I watched that too, And whenever I think about that,
(04:53):
I think of mel Blank doing the voice of Tweakie,
the little robot Batty Baby Batty. Uh So, I'm not
sure it's going to be the same, especially since I'm
pretty sure they're going to go back to the original
reference material, which doesn't have a spunky little sidekick robot.
But yeah, I saw that news and thought, well, we
(05:14):
should include this because you know, it's it's nostalgic for
for me and you and all the young listeners out
there are like what Buck who that? You know what?
It's okay, because the next news item we have is
four young listeners, uh, which is that the Guinness Book
(05:35):
of World Records is trying to do, uh like make
is set a record of the most people singing a
song from the Greatest Showman ever. So that the idea
being that it's a it's a big collaborative effort, right,
that you're going to have the most people singing and
they're going to create a collaborative video of all these
(05:56):
different people singing a particular song from the Great Showman,
which is is from now on. Uh. They are trying
to get at least five thousand participants. It is a
benefit for the Actors Fund, which, if you are not familiar,
is a financial fund for the Broadway actors who really
need it right now since Broadway is still closed a
(06:18):
year later and probably will be for most of one Unfortunately,
I want to go see my shows. I know me too.
But as of listening to this episode, you can still
be a part. They want you to record the video
and challenge four friends using the hashtag b Way World
(06:42):
Record uh and shared on social media. They also say
that you can tag Broadway stars and challenge them. You
know that Hugh Jackman is going to be part of this. Yeah,
they've already got some actors committed. They've got Alice Ripley
from Next to Normal, John Tart tag Lea from Avenue Q,
Kristen Anderson Lopez from Frozen, and Jay Armstrong Johnson from
(07:05):
Family the Opera. Uh, you can be a part of
this up until February, which is the deadline. I think
I think I'll give this one a skip because my
singing voice isn't strong enough. And also, uh, I'm like,
I'm at best a casual fan of the Greatest Showman.
(07:25):
At best, I was about to say, like, they don't
say anything about having to sing it, well, so that's
just an excuse. But I do understand the Greatest Showman
I'm not a huge fan of. You know what, I
would have actually would have enjoyed it a lot more
if they had not said it was supposed to be P. T. Barnum,
(07:47):
because I had real issues with the the lionization of P. T. Barnum,
who was a much more complicated person than the musical
would have you understand. But that's that's But I don't
want to yuck anyone's yeah either. I know a lot
of people really love the Greatest Showman, and there's nothing
wrong with loving it. I mean, that's that's you do
(08:09):
you for me. There was one song in that show
that I really loved and another song that I liked,
but um, but that was that. Everything else neither of
them are from now on fair enough. I mean, it
is interesting to say they've gotten permission from Disney to
do that. Yes, yes, this is this is something that's
(08:30):
got full clearance. To me. It's again another remarkable example
of Disney giving the go ahead for some creative uses
of their properties, which, as we've pointed out in previous episodes,
is remarkable considering how protective Disney has been of its
I P in the past. Also weird but delightful was
(08:51):
the latest trailer for Raya in The Last Dragon. I really,
you know what, I hadn't seen anything I knew about
this movie. I knew it was coming out, but hadn't
seen any trailers, hadn't watched anything of it until we
were making this episode. And uh, and the trailer is.
First of all, the style looks amazing. They made Riya
(09:12):
look like a total um kick butt warrior. I was
trying to think of a good, family friendly way of
saying it. She looks amazing in it. The antagonist is,
at least from what I can gather from the trailer,
also a woman, and then the dragon is a a
female dragon. So we've got a film where multiple characters,
(09:38):
important characters to the story are all women, which I
also thought was awesome. It's not no one draws attention
to it in the trailer, but I noticed it just
because it's something that we haven't seen a lot of
until fairly recently, and I like that that trend is continuing.
I do too. I also really like that, Um. I
(10:00):
like that the character is such a kick but character,
Like you said, um, there it's it almost feels like
Disney wanted their take on the Avatar the Last Airbender.
To me, yeah, I was getting a lot of that.
I was getting a little bit of Mulan vibes. Um.
There were a couple of other like properties I would
(10:20):
think of, even a kuba and the two strings. Um,
there's a little bit of that in there. There. There's
there's definitely some stuff you can tell where some influences
came in. Um. The attitude of the dragon feels like
very much a nod to sort of Wosho and Mulan. Um.
I mean, it's Aquafina and it's a it's a good trailer,
(10:44):
and the action looks like it's going to be really
really interesting. I am eager to see this. You know,
it's interesting because it doesn't it doesn't look like the
kind of typical feel good sort of Disney stuff like.
It doesn't seem all warm and fuzzy and squishy. It
seems a little more action oriented. Um, which is great too.
(11:07):
I think that looks really interesting. I think I haven't
been as excited for a Disney computer animated movie as
this since Record Ralph, which I know that you don't
feel the same way about that movie as I do.
For me, I think i'd have to go with if
we're not talking picks are, if we're just talking about
Disney proper Big Hero six, Yeah, I can see that
(11:29):
as well, which has a very similar kind of actionly
vibe to it. This will be available on Disney Plus
on their premier for premium on March five, which means
eventually you'll get it on your regular subscription, but I might. Honestly,
I think I'm going to pay for it too, because
I really want to see it, and I don't want
I want that that experience of discovery and not have
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everything kind of laid out for me before I get
a chance to see it, because the discovery part, you know,
I'm sure we can talk about this in a longer
section at some future or episode, but the discovery part
of a new property is one of the great joys
for me. Like I can handle going in hearing spoilers,
but I really love that that experience of discovering something
(12:12):
as it's playing out. Um, you just can't really, you
can't replicate that if you already know what's happening before
you go and see it. It's different. You can still
enjoy it. There's nothing wrong with it, but it is different. Mhm.
I agree. I agree. Something on Disney Plus that you
I don't think you're going to have to pay premium
for is the Black Panther show that's in develop or
(12:35):
at least a Wakonda show. It's a show set in Wakonda.
What whether or not it director, whether or not it
involves a Black Panther character, uh played by sure, you
would imagine, we don't know. It may be that it
may not even be set in the quote unquote modern
day of the Marvel Cinematic universe. There's no real telling,
(12:58):
but we know that the director of Panther is going
to be behind the development of the show, and that
it is set in Waconda, and bring it on. I
am eager to see more of that world. Yeah. Yeah,
it was such such great creation, and we only got
a small part of it in the first Black Panther movie,
(13:18):
so and and and a little bit in Infinity War
a little bit, not near enough, not near enough. You
can tell that there's a whole bunch of written richness
in that world that we didn't get to see. Uh.
Something I did get to see this week. Uh is this?
This was something Ariel shared with me that I had
(13:38):
not seen, And I'm so thankful that I have a
co host like Ariel to bring this into my life. Yeah.
Is Uh. Some fans took the Jurassic Park trailer and
mashed it up with pee wee Herman making all of
the dinosaurs pee wee Herman. When you hear that concept,
you say, oh, I know what this is gonna look like.
(13:58):
But no, it's way better than what you imagine in
your brain. For for one thing, they resisted the urge
of making a dinosaur sized peee Herman. It's a Peewee
Herman sized pee Wee Herman, and the the integration of
peee Herman shots into Jurassic Park scenes is done pretty
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darn well. Like there are bits where you're looking at
a Jurassic Park character and Pewee Herman is popping up
from behind a tree, and you know, you can tell
there was some compositing done, but it looks really good
for for a for a joke. Yeah, And there's only
one time where they skipped to like a not Jurassic
(14:44):
Park scene and it's brief, yes, I think, yeah, yeah,
where where it's him over at on the corner of
a house and he's just doing his little pee Herman laugh.
Everything else is essentially Jurassic Park with some Peee Herman
integrated into it, including the missequence where the t Rex
is chasing the jeep and it's the must go faster,
must go faster. And I don't want to say anymore
(15:07):
than that other than you need to see it to
really appreciate it. But we'll put that link in our
show notes on our website when this episode goes live
so that you can watch it too. We just wanted
to give it a shout out since we love mashups.
We had to love on this mashup, yes, and that
wraps up our quick headlines for this week. When we
(15:30):
come back, we are going to have a deep discussion
about the DC Cinematic Universe and what we would do
if we were put in charge of it in order
to kind of fix it. Seems like it's really presumptuous,
but I'm going to say fix it. And then also
stick around because at the end of this episode with
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our mashup we are we have chosen a mash up
topic that is in part a tribute to the late
great Chloris Leachman, a phenomenal comic actor who we lost,
uh just recently, and so you want to stick around
for that too, But first we gotta take this quick break.
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going to talk about the d C EU and Jonathan,
I'm taking it by uh you saying that it needed
to be fixed before the break, that you are not
a fan of how it is currently being laid out.
I am not, Ariel. Thank you for asking me about this.
(18:43):
Uh I know I I I've made it pretty clear.
Anyone who listened to old episodes of Large Nergron Collector
the classic ones from like tent seventeen, you know that
even back then I was complaining about the way d
C was going about their cinematic universe, that that that
dead horse is still continuing to be beaten by yours, truly,
(19:05):
because I don't think it's necessarily gotten much better. I
have multiple problems with it. Problem one is that the
whole Zack Snyder take on making everything dark and grim
doesn't sit too well with me, largely because like, I
think there should be some dark and grim nous in there.
I think there need to be stinks, Like without steaks,
(19:27):
there's no conflict, and without conflict, there's no drama. But
I feel like heroes need to occasionally be i don't know, heroic, yeah,
and inspiring and that sort of thing, which is why
Wonder Woman, the original Wonder Woman film from this this
latest match is still I think my favorite of all
(19:48):
the ones that have come out so far, with the
possible exception of Shazam, which feels almost tangential, but it
was also pretty dark. It was pretty dark, but it
had more lighthearted moment than any of the other DC films.
And then the other part kind of ties into that
tangential thing, which is that there is no coherent or
cohesive strategy right like there are so many different DC properties,
(20:15):
and there are disagreements about which ones actually fit into
the mainline DC universe versus being some sort of offshoot
like Joker. The movie Joker, which a lot of people loved,
is not part of the mainstream DC cinematic universe. There
was talk of another Jared leto Joker movie, which never,
(20:36):
as far as I know, is not happening, But that
also wasn't going to be part of the mainstream DC universe,
And you start to wonder, well, why are you bothering
crafting these I mean, I understand the appeal of having
heroes from different uh, different franchises, are different lines crossover.
(20:56):
There's always like it's that dream, Oh yeah, it's Batman
and super Man. Like, I get it. That's a big
deal in the comics, it's a big deal in the movies.
But if you're not going to craft a really strong,
coherent universe, then it almost seems like you should really
just be developing one shot films that are good stories
(21:17):
featuring these characters, but there's no necessary connective tissue to
everything else. I agree. So I mean d C to
the Dark thing. D C is not a Stranger two
Dark storylines in the comics. But I do feel like
you need to you need to set up the hero
(21:37):
in that story as the hero, like you said before,
you can enjoy that journey down down a path that
they maybe shouldn't go. You're more invested then, um and
then yeah, the continuity is hard. I feel like they
they tried so hard to catch up with Marvel, but
by that time, they already had a bunch of TV shows,
(22:00):
and they already had all of these one off movies.
We've had so many Batman series, um, that it was
almost like an afterthought. I do feel like they up
until the Snyder cut, I feel like they had been
slowly edging away from everything being super dark, even through
this latest wonder Woman movie. UM, but I still feel
like trying to add that levity to what little through
(22:24):
line there is, it just makes the stories extra long
and extra convoluted. Yeah. Yeah, no, there's there's no efficiency
in storytelling in the DC Cinematic universe. Everything is a
little too bloated and uh, I mean when when there
are important block points that hinge on such silly things
(22:47):
like the fact that two characters have mother figures who
were named Martha and somehow that's what brings them together.
I mean, I get it, like that's been that's been
mean to death, right, but it's still ridiculous. It's why
it's and mean to death. It is a ridiculous point
in a film. And uh, you know, there's just so
many decisions that I disagreed with, especially in those early
(23:10):
Snyder films, like without as you say, without making the
hero heroic, you have no one to cheer for, You're
It's like they decided they wanted to skip straight to
the Frank Miller version of Old Batman and show him
as you know, someone who is who is still plotting along,
(23:32):
but it's very cynical and very um uh pessimistic about
things and um pragmatic in a way that's extremely dark.
And they didn't want to get to any of the
stuff that led him to that journey. They just wanted
to jump to that. Same with them with the fact
that they didn't go through the same setup that Marvel
(23:53):
did when it began to establish all these individual characters
and then the connection they had with one another to
lead into the Avengers titles. And you know, we didn't
even get into the Thanos storyline until we were probably
about halfway through those initial Marvel films. It was only
(24:13):
in the back half that the Thanos storyline really started
to play out, and to the point where some people
were even asking like, why should we care about Thanos?
And then in fanity war happened and everyone suddenly really
cared about Thanos. But it just showed that they did
a very long lead up to that, whereas d C
was almost like, dump all the toys out on the floor, Okay,
(24:35):
now they're all together, let's make them do stuff. But
they didn't build any of that individually. Like I said,
I feel like it really was them playing a game
of catchup to try to to try to get to
Marvel success level before people were burnt out on superheroes,
which has come and gone since the m c U
has begun. Um. I feel like when they said okay,
(24:58):
now anybody can make any movie about any DC character,
DC comic character, um, that it was their attempt to
try to salvage the fandom without having to continue, like
(25:18):
basically trying out alternate timelines to see if any of
those stick better than their current prime timeline so then
they can just switch over to that. I mean, like
clearly the Harley Quinn movie as an example of that,
right where the Harley Quinn film. They saw how people
responded to the character of Harley quinnin Suicide Squad, even
(25:41):
though that movie is its own garbage fire. The first
the first one, because I think the next one is
gonna be really good, well until it comes out, I'm
not gonna hold my breath, right, so they have to
prove me wrong. Okay, I don't. I feel pretty comfortable
saying the first film is a garbage fire. Uh, But
(26:03):
that that led to the ability for the Harley Harley
Quinn film to come out, and I think people responded
more towards that, which just showed that there are and
Joker again. Joker is another movie that did phenomenally well. Um,
i'll spare you my thoughts on Joker, but it did
really well and again is not connected to the rest
(26:26):
of the threads in the d C universe. So it's
a complicated issue. Like if it were me, I'd almost
say like, all right, we're gonna have to start with
a fresh slate. Um, some of the casting I might
keep because I think that some of the folks who
are in their roles are good for those roles, But like,
(26:48):
we're just gonna do what the comic books do occasionally,
which is that you do a big reset. It happens
in comics all the time, where you have some sort
of cataclysmic event that destroys every relity so that it
could start fresh and then you start screwing it up
all over again, but at least you can start fresh. Well,
And I thought that's what they were doing with the
James Gunn Suicide Squad that's coming out, because it's just
(27:11):
it's it's not a second movie, it's just another suicide
Squad movie. But then they talked. But and you know,
James Gunn did great with Guardians of the Galaxy, and
the cast for this new movie is pretty spectacular. Um,
they all all of the actors ride a good line
between action and intense and comedy. But then they did
(27:33):
carry over some of the characters like Harley Quinn and
Boomerang and things like that, so it's not quite as
much of a reboot as I initially thought it was
going to be. Yeah, Um, so if you were trying
to fix this, like my my argument is to scrap
it all and start over. Um, but do you think
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it's something that you could see as being salvageable, like
keeping everything that exists now and just building further upon it. Yes. Yes,
And my reasoning for that is I've said since the beginning,
and if you're a long time Lency listener you'll know
this that I feel like the real problem with the
Justice League is how dark it is. I feel like
they've been going lighter and lighter and lighter. Uh. Justice League,
(28:20):
much like the newer Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles movies. The
storyline was not strong, but they got the characters right. Um.
Even at the end Superman got to be Superman and
that was nice. But I enjoyed watching all the characters
and I enjoyed watching their chemistry. So all we need
to do is have happy Superman fly around the world
(28:41):
reverse time, and then we can continue on with the
Justice League, because that movie did the poorest and to
me it was one of the most one of the
more enjoyable ones. Um. Maybe not quite a from a
character standpoint, maybe not as quite as enjoyable as Wonder
Woman or Aquaman, which were both I found both of
(29:01):
them fun, but far too long. Um And mainly because
the Justice League villain was pretty milk chosty. But um, well,
now you're going to get dark side in the Snyder cut.
So yeah, I don't. Yeah, that's that's exactly how I
feel aial, So don't don't feel badly about it. But
(29:22):
Snyder cut, but more movies. I appreciate what you say,
like I I, I don't deny that. You know, you
could continue. Obviously they're going to continue to build on
the foundation they have laid. I think the reason, the
real reason, if you really boil it down then I
want to scrap it all and start over is fundamentally
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I despise the fact that the Kents we're trying to
tell Clark to be selfish and to to value self
preservation over helping others, because to me, that is fun
dem mentally the opposite of what most versions of Superman's
(30:05):
origin story point to, like the whole idea being that
this is an alien who decides that he wants to
protect humans because he was raised by genuinely decent people.
And when you take that away, it just like to me,
it's like, well, you just ruined everything. You just you've
(30:25):
soured the whole thing, and yeah, you can get him
to come around and choose to be noble. But that's
a different character arc art. It's not it's not invalid.
It just to me, isn't Superman. I mean, I get it,
I get it. You know. I enjoyed Man of Steel,
which is is the movie that started that whole path
(30:45):
you don't like of Superman. But while I thought it
was an entertaining movie, I did not think it was
a great Superman movie. It wasn't it. It wasn't a
great Superman movie to start off the d C EU with. Yeah,
at the time, I didn't know there was going to
be a d C EU, So yeah, I just to me,
(31:09):
it was like it was, it started with a wrong
turn and then it got more wronger. Fair enough, but
you know what, we also admit like that that's down
to our personal tastes. There may be many of you
out there who absolutely love the DC Cinematic Universe, which
you know that's totally valid too, Like your opinions are
just as valid as ours. Yeah, And you know, like
(31:29):
you said, I've seen the d C EU movies and
I will continue to see them. And you know, Marvel
has had to scrap some of their properties, or has
tried to scrap some of their properties multiple times to
relaunch them, X Men, Fantastic Four, things like that, So
it's not just parent property specific. Yeah, no, I mean that. Also,
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Marvel has has caught some flak for not integrating some
of their Netflix TV series into the overall Marvel Cinemaic universe.
Like that direction only goes one way, where the stuff
that happened in the movies gets referenced in the shows,
but the shows never get the carry over into the movies,
which is unfortunate because Daredevil and Jessica Jones and Luke
(32:11):
Cage are all awesome and Iron Fist is also there. Yeah,
but we think that Daredevil is going to be in
the New Spider Man, so that's what we're hoping, So
maybe all the rest will follow suit. We'll see if
it works, then they might continue it. Yeah, but you know,
this was our our DC conversation. If we want to
talk Marvel, we're going to have to wait till after
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Monday on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Okay, Ariel, you
picked the two properties that we're going to mash up,
(35:39):
and initially I resisted this, but eventually came around what
I thought of a joke so bad that I had
to do a mash up. But let's explain what two
properties you picked? Okay, So we picked the fantastic four
mainly because of some conversations happening around one division that
we're not going to get into because spoilers. Uh. And
(36:03):
we also picked young Frankenstein. So let's talk a little
bit about these properties, because at least in my mash up,
I have some let's call them deep cuts that I
reference that I think are going to be lost on
probably nine cinemaur audience. Sure, but the basic story is
(36:25):
that there's this gentleman Gene Wilder who is uh Dr
Franken Frankenstein. Uh, because he doesn't want to be confused
with the crazy Dr Frankenstein Um. Who finds out he's
got a like a familial house that he's he's earned
when his great great grandfather passed away. Um, and he
(36:46):
goes there and then he becomes the mad scientist and
eventually accepts his name Frankenstein. But there's uh huge amount
of comedy. You've got I Gore, who is a play
on igor. You've at Frod Blueckhardt, who's the character that
Clos Leachman played, who every time they say her name,
(37:07):
no matter where she is, a horse whinnies because it
sounds familiar to the German word for glue um, which
is never explained in the movie. But it just happens.
It's a running gag that they never explain, and I
love it. And it's just such a lighthearted, fun play
on on a really great but kind of dark story.
Frankenstein Um. That is just brilliant. Yeah. Uh, Fantastic Four Okay,
(37:32):
So in case you aren't aware of who the Fantastic
Four are, it's a heroic group of four characters. Uh.
There have been different members of the Fantastic Four over
the years, but the classic four are Read Richards, who
is Mr. Fantastic. He can stretch his limbs and get
all bendy bendy. There's uh, Sue Storm later Sue Richards,
(37:55):
who is the invisible first the Invisible Girl, but she
manages to it's grew the patriarchy and become the Invisible woman. Um, yeah,
that comics were not the most woke back in the day. Uh.
You have Johnny Storm, Sue's brother, who is the human Torch,
and you have Ben Graham who becomes the Thing, a
big rocky orange hulk like guy, and they end up
(38:22):
being a radiated There's different versions of their origin story,
but that's how they all get their powers. So they
didn't start off with powers. They get them because they're
exposed to radiation. They typically are facing off against pretty
weird and cosmic kind of of bad guys and problems,
but they also have a enemy in Dr Doom. Dr
(38:45):
Doom is frequently their antagonist, and for my story, one
important thing you need to know is that, at least
in one version of the Marvel timeline, Read Richards and
Sue Richards have a son named Franklin Richards, who has
like reality bending powers. That's going to be important in
(39:09):
my story. There's also other references that longtime Marvel fans
are going to get and nobody else, So just a warning. Yeah,
kind of kind of the same with mine. Um I
actually I was on the opposite end. I was very
excited about this at the beginning, and as I was
(39:29):
writing my mashup, I quickly went, oh, this is I
cannot meet Melbrook's genius. But yeah, this was a challenging one,
I will admit, But once I came up with the
terrible punchline, everything else was just like how long can
I delay getting to the punchline. It's it's a tribute.
(39:49):
It's a tribute to something we love and a great actress.
So uh, I apologize and here we go with the
fantastic frow blue curtain. May okay. So Dr Read Richards
pronounced Reshorts is speaking at a symposium at Hedgeman University
one day when a mysterious figure enters and tells him
(40:12):
he has acquired his family's estate in lat Varia. While
he doesn't like to be associated with his family legacy
of mad science, Read leaves his then fiance Alicia masters
to see what the ordeal is about. Upon reaching the
estate in Latviia, Reshorts meets a beautiful blonde named Susan
and her brother, who introduces himself as John I see.
He thinks he's being clever picking on Reshorts his pronunciation
(40:34):
of his name, but really he's just being kind of annoying.
These two are the Storm siblings, who are the assistance
of the previous inhabitant, Nathaniel Richards. Read is so enamored
by Susan that he doesn't even notice as the caretaker
of the estate, Frau Evelyn Blucker, steps up behind him
and offers to show him to his room. When he
turns back to invite Susan to dinner, she's gone, foreshadowing
(40:58):
that evening. As Reshorts explores these date, he happens upon
a staircase leading to the basement, whereupon he finds the
Storm's siblings standing over a corpse in a lab as
fraud Evelyn Blueger is about to put a brain into
the corpse. Oh yeah, there's also a lab horse. Every
respectable at Varian Lab has one. Uh. The name on
the jar holding the brain is a ben normal Uh. Reshorts,
(41:21):
a surpride and yells out fraud Blucker's name, which startles
a horse, who kicks the re animation machine, showering all
of the inhabitants in the room with radiation. As Fraud
places a brain in the corpse, all of a sudden,
the corpses alive, but he is melted with the stone
slab he was laying on to gain a stone skin.
Susan is gone, but Reshorts can hear her yelling, and
John I accidentally ignites, scaring the grim monster thing away.
(41:45):
Reshorts reaches for the door, realizing he doesn't need to
move his feet to do so, but his stretchy arm
reaches the door too late. Only fraud Blucker is not
affected by the radiation, having assisted her loved, beloved Nathaniel
for so many years that she had become immune to it.
All did to do insites the local authority, Inspector von Doom,
a man with one good eye, a metal mask, and
(42:06):
a metal arm, to come question Reshorts. However, all Reshorts
can make out about what Inspector Doom is saying is
that there's a monster and if he finds them, he
will end him. You see, his mask is muffling too
much of the other words, he's saying for Reshorts to
even understand it. Uh. Now, the three and Frau must
find this thing. Thankfully, Aba Normal was actually the love
(42:28):
child of Nathaniel and Frau Evelyn Bluehurt, and she knows
just how to find him with his childhood love of pizza.
There's only one pizza joint in life area, and tonight
is open mic night. When they get there, they find
the grim Thing doing stand up and enjoying his slice.
They know they must protect him, being so unique and clever,
(42:50):
so they bring him back to the estate just as
reads fiance Alicia shows up. She sees the Thing, but
instead of being frightened, falls in love with him, which
is okay because Reshorts is kind of actually got a
thing for Susan. And as we pan out from the
the estate, we see John I Storm hiding worldly behind
a horse as Frau Evelyn Bluegert searches him for him
longingly because she's also a bit of a pyromaniac. I
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like that. There seemed to be some references to the
the the the original Fantastic Four film by that Roger
Corman produced that was never released specifically for you, Jonathan
because you can't understand doom in that version, all right, Well,
here here's mine. Um the title will become into it later.
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We open in the Baxter Building as the Fantastic Four's headquarters.
The Fantastic Four are an established team at this point,
having had many adventures under their collective belts. Read and
Sue Richards are the proud parents of a young boy
named Franklin, who has impressive powers of his own. Are
heroes receive a distress call they must immediately have off
to Latin Veria to battle the nefarious dr Doom. Little
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Franklin is left behind in the care of others. The
next morning, his caretakers are glued to the television, watching
reports the Doom, the Fantastic Four, and indeed all of
Latin Veria have disappeared. The scene dissolves and we see
a title card saying twenty five years later, Franklin is
an adult now giving a lecture at our prestigious university.
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He's an expert in linguistics in history, and it's clearly
attempting to suppress his past and his own superpowers. While
giving the lecture, one determined student keeps asking Franklin about
his famous parents. Mr. Fantastic and the Invisible Woman and
his famous uncle, the Human Torch, and also that big
rocky dude known as the Thing. Franklin attempts to dismiss
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the questions with humor, but the student persists, and in
a moment of temper, Franklin uses his reality bending superpowers
to turn the student into a Jack in the box.
Class dismissed, he says after his lecture, an old man
who had been sitting in on the lecture comes forward,
revealing himself to be a messenger from lat Varia. He
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explains that without any warning, the entire nation that had
disappeared is back. Much of it is in ruins, but
not all of it, and that Franklin in particular is
urged to go there to claim his birthright. Though the
old man doesn't have much information about what exactly that is. Franklin,
overcome with anxiety, makes arrangements to travel to lat Varia
(45:28):
right away. Arriving by train at the station, he has
greeted by the humanoid experimental robot B type Integrated Electronics
or Herbie, though it's pronounced her By. According to the robot,
Herby and Franklin traveled to an old abandoned castle used
to be doctor Doom's lair, but now it's practically unoccupied
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as Doom and the Fantastic Four have not reappeared. Along
the way, Franklin and her By encounter a young woman
named Inga Summers, who was given instructions to help assist
Franklin and any way. Oh, and I mentioned that Doom's
castle was practically unoccupied, but no, there is one person there,
Fraud Bluecher, who is secretly Cynthia von Doom, dr Doom's
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mother played by Cloris Leachman. Of course, At the castle,
Franklin spends time exploring, attempting to find any signs of
what happened to the Fantastic Four. Bluecher tries to embrace
him to encourage him to embrace his superpowers, but Franklin resists,
unwilling to acknowledge that this is in fact his birthright.
What follows is an adventure in which Franklin tries to
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make his own robot without the use of his superpowers.
He builds a robotic human Torch, which just goes around
insisting that no, he's the real original human Torch and
Johnny Storm was the second human Torch. You just gotta
buy the comics to find out that the original human
Torch was a robot, but Franklin points out that if
you are a robot, you aren't a human torch, You're
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a robot Torch, and that goes poorly. Next thing, you know,
the robot Human torches rampaging through the countryside. Franklin and
team have to lure the robot back, insisting that it's
not evil, it's just misdirected. Franklin is able to coax
the robotic human Torch back to the castle with promises
of a special october Fest celebration, knowing that the robot
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is particularly fond of Oom Pah bands, and so Franklin
inga Summers and Herby play Polka, luring the human Torch
robot back to the castle. In the process, the robot
discovers a hidden compartment in the castle, and in it
is a special German beer mug. Emblazoned on it are
the Fantastic Four and on the bottom of the mug
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it's a message to Franklin with love from Mom and Dad.
And then it happens. We finally smash cut to the
title of the movie Young Franklin Stein cut to end
credits post credit scene. I guess the Fantastic Four and
Doom show up or something. I don't know. I you
saw her was going, I did, and I'm I'm I
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don't know whether to say thank you or I'm so sorry. Um,
Young Franklin Stein, Yeah, yeah, we got it because it's
a German beer mug. You see, his name is Franklin Okay, okay,
So if any of you think you've got a better
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might even read them on the air. Yeah and uh,
and the human Torch really was originally a robot Okay, anyway, wait, wait,
what would a human torch just like robot Torch just
be like a lighter like you would? You would think so?
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the original heroes that marvel inherited along with Captain America.
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