April 13, 2009 • 24 mins
As cell phone technology evolves, so does the nomenclature. What's a 2G network? 3G? 4G? In this podcast from HowStuffWorks.com, the TechStuff guys give a detailed explanation of recent and emerging cell phone networks and technologies.
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dot com and sitting next to me as usual as
senior writer Jonathan Stricklandoha. All right. I wasn't expecting that.
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I know you weren't. All right, well, so so why
the aloha? No reason? I just like to change it
up every now and then. All right, and multicultural kind
of guy. I figured you were thinking of pineapples. Now,
I think I'll end this with mohallow. I think Mr
Calicanus will have a word to save. Why don't we
move on to our topic? All right, So today we're
(01:04):
going to talk about communications, actually long distance. Maybe maybe
somebody will be saying aloha and mahala to you. Yeah,
perhaps some roaming. Yeah, because we're gonna talk about cellular communications.
We've had a lot of emails come in about, you know,
discussing things like the two G network, the three G network,
the uh, the the eagerly awaited four gene network. Uh
(01:29):
kind of too, sort of demystify these terms, kind of
explain what they mean, and uh, why you should be
concerned about what kind of phone you have or if
you should be concerned. Um, and yeah, some of this
came from just from the last year's release of the
iPhone three G, which caused a lot of confusion among
I would say, lay people who aren't really familiar with
(01:51):
the whole two G three G thing in the first place. Right. Well, yeah,
I mean it's really not all that surprising when you
think about it, because Apple for a while there um
was releasing new generations of IBM S power PC processors,
and they'd have they had the G three and the
G four Max. Right, So so you know, it makes
sense that people would be a little surprised. Um. You know,
(02:12):
I actually had somebody right in and say, hey, that's
a picture of the three G iPhone, not the second
generation iPhone. Well, the second generation, second generation iPhone is
the three because it's not three G, it's G three
or wait two right, G two? So yeah, alright, so
here's where this whole confusion. See even we get confused,
(02:33):
and it happens to the best of us. Um yeah,
so yeah, the second generation iPhone is a three G phone.
And that's because the three G does not refer to
the phone's generation, but rather the the technology, the cellular
technology that phone communicates across right right. As a matter
of fact, people are wondering what they're rumors right now
(02:54):
swirling about the next generation iPhone, and they're wondering what
to call it because it won't be the three G
G three iPhone it that would just be silly. And
then they're calling it the G four anyway, Well, it's
not really a fourth generation iPhone. Why don't we just
call it Steve, Yeah, I think we'll be like that.
We'll just call it the jobs so um. So here,
currently in the United States, we're kind of in a
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transitionary period where we're going from a two G network
and into a three G network. Um. Three G coverage
in the United States is is much better than it
was this time last year, but it's still it's still
one of those things that's growing, um city by city,
And not every carrier has a three G network. Um.
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This this is technology. I mean, it's stuff that you know,
hardware and software have to be in place for these
networks to work, and not all the carriers are are
up to speed on that, at least not in the
United States now. Granted, in other parts of the world
they've had three G for a while now and UH.
And there's certain parts of the United States where they've
had it for a while, like San Francisco that you
(04:00):
know who to thunk it, but other places just got it,
like within the last twelve months or so now. So
the different generations, you can kind of divide them up
by two different things. The technology G they used to
transmit signals through the cellular network and the speed through
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UH that those signals have. You know, so like a
two G phone is going to transmit data and UH
calls at a lower speed than a three G phone.
In general, it depends on the It depends on the
technology too. It depends on the technology. It depends on
it actually depends on a lot of things. So we
have to talk in a lot of generalities here, but
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let's let's break it down first. Like I was gonna
talk about two G uh, they're there are two predominant
technologies in the two G networks. UM. Most of the
world uses G s M, which is a UH. It's
based off time division multiple access technology or t d
M A right, right, So like Europe, Africa, Asia, a
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lot of these places they're using G s M. But
in the good old US of A, we decided to
kind of adopt another technology, UM and and some of
the carriers are still using that, and that's called code
division multiple access technology or c d M. A. That's right. Actually,
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if you're wondering where G s M came came from,
it's actually from A a French acronym. The a Confederation
of European Posts and Telecommunications found of the group speciel
Mobile in two and yes that's two. That's you know,
twenty seven years ago, and they're the ones who basically
developed the standard known as G s M. And then
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the acronym comes from them. Now for US RAT speaking
folks as not speaking by that, I mean those who
speak English or American. If you prefer UM G s M,
we usually just go ahead and knock that out into
Global System for Mobile Communications. Yeah, so it's not the
the the true origin of the acronym, but hey, that's
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how we Americans like to do things, gosh darn it.
So anyway, these two different technologies, they transmit information across
radio signals in different ways, and because of that, they're
not automatically compatible with one another. In fact, they're they're incompatible.
So if you have a G S M phone, you
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can't necessarily switch to a C d M A network.
So if you don't have any G s M coverage
in the area you're in, you're kind of stuck. And
that was one of the big problems of the US
for a really long time was that a lot of
the rural areas had C d M A coverage but
not G s M coverage. So if you started driving
across the United States, you would find big patches of
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areas where you had no service. Um. Since then, there
have been some systems put in where you can use
one phone over an other carriers network, but you usually
end up having to pay some pretty big roaming charges um.
At least until fairly recently, a lot of the phone
carriers now I've realized that that tends to drive customers away,
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and so they've they've taken that into account. But yeah,
and in in this case, it's still a matter of
G s M phones using other GSM networks and c
d M A phones using other c d M A networks. Um.
And if you're wondering sort of in a in a
broad path, which camp your provider falls into. Um, if
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you're using Verizon Wireless or Sprint, next heel, Um, those
are c d M A and uh T Mobile and
a T and T are using g s M. Um.
You can also find out if you if you are
blindfolded and or you know, somebody had rubbed off all
the markings from your phone and they're not going to
do that. That's why they subsidize your phone. They put
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their brand all over it. Um. But say you had
to look at the back of a phone that didn't
have a brand and go, how would I find out
which one this is? If you were to take the
battery out and look underneath, if it's got a simcard,
that's as phone. Yeah. The nice thing about g S
M phones is that if you if you have multiple
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simcards and you have a different simcard for every you
know cell phone carrier, you can switch those out and
then you're not even roaming anymore. Like if you move
from one carrier's GSM network into another and you happen
to have a simcard for that carrier, you can switch
them out and you're you're just fine. Um. There's still
some problems if you are traveling overseas because they transmit
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cellular information on different frequencies. So if your phone does
not is not capable of transmitting in the same frequencies
as the carrier around you uses, you're still out of luck.
It's just not going to be able to communicate with
the network. That's uh. That's what you see when you're
looking at phone specs are looking for a new phone
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and you see triband or quad band, Um, that's what
they're talking about. Or if you see the phrase world phones,
that's basically what it's talking about. For GSM. There are
actually four uh frequencies that I'm aware of that are
used in different places around the world. Um. And the
more frequencies you use, I mean they're still using g
s M, but you know, you may or may not
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find a signal. And if you're using c d M
c d M A, you're gonna have a much more
difficult time finding a signal. Yeah, especially yeah, traveling abroad,
because like like we said, c d M A is
one of those technologies that really got a foothold in
the United States and pretty much everywhere else adopted G
s M. You may wonder why that is. It's because
a lot of the European countries, uh, the governments of
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those countries mandated a specific technology, and in the US
that's generally considered kind of anti competitive, and so the
U S takes a lass a fair approach and they
decide not to They say, well, you know, we're not
gonna mandate which one is used, which sounds good except
(10:06):
for the ends up being kind of confusing for the consumer.
To make matters even more confusing. You may have seen
c d M A or G s M under other
code names like E V d O and EDGE. Well,
those refer to the different kinds of technology, and they're
actually different forms of three g r UM edges. One
(10:28):
of them that's probably well known. UM. I think the
first place I saw it once when they were starting
to talk about the three G I phone and they
were saying, well, it will be compatible with the Edge network. Um,
they talked about I remember reading articles about how T
Mobile wasn't even on Edge yet, and that was one
of the things with the uh the G one. You
(10:49):
may have heard of this, This phone from HTC uses
the Google Android operating system. I'm somewhat familiar with it. Yeah, yeah,
well they that was one of the things, uh, you
know that they did. But E V D O and
Edge are you know next well, theoretically next generation technologies. Yes,
some might say two point five instead of three. Because
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here's the other thing is that when we're talking about
these technologies, uh, there are organizations that are in place
to try and standardize these technologies as best they can,
but you're still talking about a range of capabilities, um,
and so it gets kind of confusing. You know. You
start seeing things like the two G speeds sort of
bleed into the lower end of the three G speeds. Uh.
(11:31):
So then you might say, okay, well, this is really
a two point five G phone or two point seven
five G phone, because it's faster than a two G phone,
but it's not as fast as what three G is
supposed to be. Yeah, it definitely does not make life
easier you know, to understand all this stuff, right, well,
I mean, just to put some numbers behind it, EDGE,
(11:52):
which is UM, the enhanced Data G s M environment.
We'll give you speeds of up to kilobits per second
from what I understand, But that's on the road to
what a lot of people are calling the true three G,
which is Universal Mobile Telecommunication Servers or u MTS or
is I like to call it. And uh, and that's
(12:15):
two megabits per second. So um, you know that's that's
about one and a half times faster. Actually now wait,
never mind, it's like four times faster. Yeah, it's a
it's really fast compared comparatively speaking. And we should also
go ahead and point out that these these really high
(12:35):
end speeds, they tend to be ideals. You know, you
don't it's very rare that you're going to actually encounter
that on your own phone, especially if you're moving, If
you are in motion, then you're going to experience lower
speeds no matter which network you are, and you're not
going to have the ideal speed. And some of them
you'll see, like in lab tests, they achieve speeds of
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blah blah blah, blah blah blah, that's because they're being
still in a lab chair and not driving across town
when you're having a conversation with a friend. And exactly
it's in under ideal circumstances, which I don't know about you,
but I am rarely in what I would consider ideal circumstances,
unless I happen to be in Hawaii, in which case
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I often do think I'm in ideal circumstances. The other
the other three G technology besides the U M T
S is a c d M A two thousand. Actually
there are more than just the two, but those are
the two main ones. And again this is another generation
of the c d M, a technology which we can
expect to see because the United States doesn't hold you know,
it doesn't like go of stuff that easily. I mean,
do you remember when we try to switch to metric
(13:39):
we're still actually we sort of gave up on it. Yeah,
we totally gave up on it because Yeah, same sort
of thing I think is going to happen here is
that people who have who have this technology are not
going to give up on it anytime soon. But um,
I did read that a T and of course I
read this at a T and T S website, So
take it. Take this however, summer story supply, but A
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T and T said that there are three G speeds
range from three point six to seven point two megabits
per second in the lapse and they expect that by
the end of two thousand nine they'll have it up
to twenty megabits per second. That's pretty fast. And um,
that's not fast, no, not compared to four G. Yes,
(14:23):
is that where you were going, right, I was going.
But we we need to finish three G. I think
we're pretty much done. I mean we could talk about
I guess next would be a long term evolution, right, yes,
which is where we're getting into the four G. Yeah,
that's long term evolution or LTT is the four G network.
And uh speaking of your your reluctance to abandon technologies,
(14:45):
it's kind of funny because the people who are moving
to LTE are actually um sort of a hodgepodge of
different people who are in different technologies now, UM A,
T and T and Verizon. One of them is GSM,
the other is c D M A. Both of them
are saying that they'll have uh LTE networks in place.
Um by uh, well and I'm saying when they say networks,
(15:10):
I'm thinking maybe not with a capital and network, maybe
like New York and places they're they're usually in scaled rollouts.
So well, I mean, hey, let's let's play a cell
phone tycoon for a minute. You know, you have you've
built out this infrastructure that goes across the country more
or less, and then you have to go update all
that stuff, and you only have a limited budget. You
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know you're gonna hit the big places first where lots
and lots and lots of people are UM and then
move it out from there. So the thing is, though,
that LTE will actually hit um a hundred megabits downstream
and thirty upstream. UM. It actually uses a form of
t C P I P, which is uh the protocol
over which the Internet travels, and it's gonna be a
(15:52):
lot more like using an Internet network than cell phones
use now. So it'll be a lot more familiar, is
what I mean. The technologies are actually sort of and
to use Jonathan's favorite word converging, Yes, it'll it'll look
more like a WiFi set up than a cellular setup,
although it's not using WiFi. I mean that would that
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would be a nightmare to do that, because you would
drop calls every time you walked fifteen feet. Now that
that's true, but uh, you know it's it's rising and
a T and T moving toward LTE and not another
famous name, which is embracing a competing technology that we're
all familiar with. It will never be rolled out. In
my opinion, y Max and Sprint. Sprint is a big fan.
(16:34):
They're they're teamed up with clear Wire. Actually admire the technology,
and I hope they roll it out. Didn't they talk
about this back in two thousand four something along those lines.
So wy Max, Yeah, that's that's supposed to be one
of those last mile solution problem things where you you say,
how can we deliver uh, Internet connectivity to that last mile, uh,
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the last mile to the customer wirelessly. So it's kind
of like it's it's using a wireless technology that um
some people call it WiFi on steroids, but that's not
really accurate. Um, it uses a completely different kind of
protocol than WiFi. Uh, there are a certain number of
open spots. Let's say, let's let's just kind of I'm
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going to use an example, kind of a concrete example,
just imagine this to kind of get an idea of
how why max works. Think of a round building that
has forty doors, forty doorways, and as long as one
of those doorways is open, you can get into that
get in and out of that building, and get whatever
information you need in and out of that building. That's
kind of the way why max works. Once you hit
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a certain number of of folks hitting that that y
max server or actually tower, I guess you could say
you gotta go somewhere else. So um, but theoretically you
could serve information at incredible speeds to the people that
you are allowing into that particular service. I'm kind of
with Pullette here. I don't know that we're ever going
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to see this because we've been promised it forever. I
know there's certain cities that are rolling out y max networks,
but yeah, it's um, it was supposed to be everywhere
by now, and it just it hasn't arrived yet. UM.
I think this goes back to the it's really expensive
to roll out expensive, brand new technology to everywhere. Yeah,
(18:21):
putting out a new infrastructure, whether you're talking about communications
or transportation or you know, fuel or whatever. Anytime you're
talking about rolling out a new infrastructure. That's expensive because
first of all, you got to figure out how you're
going to incorporate it into the existing infrastructure, and then
you got to build the darned thing, and you gotta troubleshoot,
and you gotta make sure it works, and you gotta
bring it online. And I mean, it's it's a big,
(18:43):
big deal. It's not like, you know, you flip a
switch and suddenly everyone's on four G. Now. Um, I
had read a report that said that, uh, that currently
the expectation for widespread adoption of LTE in the US
will will take at least until two thousand twelve. So
um that would it would surprise me if we got
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there by two thousand twelve, considering how long it took
us to get to three G. But let's hope springs eternal.
I mean, the recession kind of also plays another nasty
card into this whole thing. Companies are suddenly worried more
about staying in business than they are about innovating, So
we'll have to see how that goes. Um. I did
hear that if you're stationary and you're using a top
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of the line for G network, you could expect up
to one gig a bit per second eventually, which is
that's a lot of data that's really really fast, and
that's the that's the point at which you're gonna start seeing, uh.
I think internet convergence versus you know, now you have
DSL and cable, but at those speeds, so you know,
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that's beating out DSL and cable connections. Now even even
the fiber optic connections are slower than that. And I've
talked a lot about like netbooks converging with smartphones. I
think at those speeds, you could really you see that happen,
because suddenly cloud computing becomes a really distinct possibility. You know,
you don't connect to a WiFi network, you connect to
a four G network, You're gonna have much faster speeds
(20:09):
than you would with WiFi. So at that point, cloud
computing becomes really really attractive because you as long as
you have that guaranteed high speed connection, you can take
advantage of it. Yeah, that sounds good. I have nothing
else about cellular phone networks, I know, Thank goodness, because
you know what that means, right, And I can try
(20:30):
and invent something real quick, hope. Sorry, it's time for
listener mail. Today's listener mail comes from Simon. Simon says,
Hey guys, Hi Simon, I was very intrigued by the
podcast on expensive cables, although without much proof, I've always
maintained that they are probably nothing but a big scam.
(20:52):
At least if you have an average entertainment system and
non bionic ears. You might haven't come in the mail yet.
I do have a couple of ments on the study
with coat hangers. As you say, it's only five people,
so obviously not too scientific, but it seems to me
that if two out of five could tell the difference,
that might be a little bit more than just coincidence. Secondly,
the fact that a coat hanger may produce the same
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quality of monster cables can be explained by the fact
that it's made of a very thick wire, possibly capable
of transmitting more information. I just did air quotes because
he put quotes around that. So in that sense, a
code hanger and a monster cable maybe better than regular cables.
I love the podcast. Please keep up the great work. Thanks, Simon.
Great really appreciate that. Um I agree with you, a
(21:37):
sample size of five is not scientific at all. You
can't call that scientific. It was really more of an experiment,
like in the very loosest sense of the word, not
in the scientific sense. Um. As for as for uh,
a a thick wire carrying more information, Uh, you know, yeah,
(21:57):
heavier gauge wire is capable of carrying a higher charge.
I mean that makes sense. Um. But it also keep
in mind that the the coat hangers had no shielding,
so there was nothing to shield it from any interference,
which is another one of the claims that high end
cable UH manufacturers will make. They'll say this, these cables
have a lot of shielding on them, and therefore the
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signal will be pure and you will you won't lose
anything from the source to the destination. Yeah, that's true.
And um, of course, the point is that not that
monster cables are complete under fraud. They're actually very good cables.
It's just that, uh, most people say, well, lesser cables
can handle the same treatment or are are as good
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in certain circumstances. So you know, it's not a complete right,
you know, you're not wasting your money, it's just you're
maybe you could probably spend less money, Yeah, you could,
You can probably spend less money and get the the
experience that you really want. Um, you know, unless the
experience you really want is to feel your wallet get lighter,
in which case monster the way to go. Baby. Yeah.
(23:01):
I mean if brand recognition is good for you, then yeah,
it is a good quality product. Yeah. Alright, Well, now
that we've managed to weasel out of that one, I
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Hi there, everybody, welcome to tech Stuff. My name is
Chris Polette. I'm an editor here at how stuff works
dot com and sitting next to me as usual as
senior writer Jonathan Stricklandoha. All right. I wasn't expecting that.
(00:44):
I know you weren't. All right, well, so so why
the aloha? No reason? I just like to change it
up every now and then. All right, and multicultural kind
of guy. I figured you were thinking of pineapples. Now,
I think I'll end this with mohallow. I think Mr
Calicanus will have a word to save. Why don't we
move on to our topic? All right, So today we're
(01:04):
going to talk about communications, actually long distance. Maybe maybe
somebody will be saying aloha and mahala to you. Yeah,
perhaps some roaming. Yeah, because we're gonna talk about cellular communications.
We've had a lot of emails come in about, you know,
discussing things like the two G network, the three G network,
the uh, the the eagerly awaited four gene network. Uh
(01:29):
kind of too, sort of demystify these terms, kind of
explain what they mean, and uh, why you should be
concerned about what kind of phone you have or if
you should be concerned. Um, and yeah, some of this
came from just from the last year's release of the
iPhone three G, which caused a lot of confusion among
I would say, lay people who aren't really familiar with
(01:51):
the whole two G three G thing in the first place. Right. Well, yeah,
I mean it's really not all that surprising when you
think about it, because Apple for a while there um
was releasing new generations of IBM S power PC processors,
and they'd have they had the G three and the
G four Max. Right, So so you know, it makes
sense that people would be a little surprised. Um. You know,
(02:12):
I actually had somebody right in and say, hey, that's
a picture of the three G iPhone, not the second
generation iPhone. Well, the second generation, second generation iPhone is
the three because it's not three G, it's G three
or wait two right, G two? So yeah, alright, so
here's where this whole confusion. See even we get confused,
(02:33):
and it happens to the best of us. Um yeah,
so yeah, the second generation iPhone is a three G phone.
And that's because the three G does not refer to
the phone's generation, but rather the the technology, the cellular
technology that phone communicates across right right. As a matter
of fact, people are wondering what they're rumors right now
(02:54):
swirling about the next generation iPhone, and they're wondering what
to call it because it won't be the three G
G three iPhone it that would just be silly. And
then they're calling it the G four anyway, Well, it's
not really a fourth generation iPhone. Why don't we just
call it Steve, Yeah, I think we'll be like that.
We'll just call it the jobs so um. So here,
currently in the United States, we're kind of in a
(03:16):
transitionary period where we're going from a two G network
and into a three G network. Um. Three G coverage
in the United States is is much better than it
was this time last year, but it's still it's still
one of those things that's growing, um city by city,
And not every carrier has a three G network. Um.
(03:38):
This this is technology. I mean, it's stuff that you know,
hardware and software have to be in place for these
networks to work, and not all the carriers are are
up to speed on that, at least not in the
United States now. Granted, in other parts of the world
they've had three G for a while now and UH.
And there's certain parts of the United States where they've
had it for a while, like San Francisco that you
(04:00):
know who to thunk it, but other places just got it,
like within the last twelve months or so now. So
the different generations, you can kind of divide them up
by two different things. The technology G they used to
transmit signals through the cellular network and the speed through
(04:22):
UH that those signals have. You know, so like a
two G phone is going to transmit data and UH
calls at a lower speed than a three G phone.
In general, it depends on the It depends on the
technology too. It depends on the technology. It depends on
it actually depends on a lot of things. So we
have to talk in a lot of generalities here, but
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let's let's break it down first. Like I was gonna
talk about two G uh, they're there are two predominant
technologies in the two G networks. UM. Most of the
world uses G s M, which is a UH. It's
based off time division multiple access technology or t d
M A right, right, So like Europe, Africa, Asia, a
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lot of these places they're using G s M. But
in the good old US of A, we decided to
kind of adopt another technology, UM and and some of
the carriers are still using that, and that's called code
division multiple access technology or c d M. A. That's right. Actually,
(05:27):
if you're wondering where G s M came came from,
it's actually from A a French acronym. The a Confederation
of European Posts and Telecommunications found of the group speciel
Mobile in two and yes that's two. That's you know,
twenty seven years ago, and they're the ones who basically
developed the standard known as G s M. And then
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the acronym comes from them. Now for US RAT speaking
folks as not speaking by that, I mean those who
speak English or American. If you prefer UM G s M,
we usually just go ahead and knock that out into
Global System for Mobile Communications. Yeah, so it's not the
the the true origin of the acronym, but hey, that's
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how we Americans like to do things, gosh darn it.
So anyway, these two different technologies, they transmit information across
radio signals in different ways, and because of that, they're
not automatically compatible with one another. In fact, they're they're incompatible.
So if you have a G S M phone, you
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can't necessarily switch to a C d M A network.
So if you don't have any G s M coverage
in the area you're in, you're kind of stuck. And
that was one of the big problems of the US
for a really long time was that a lot of
the rural areas had C d M A coverage but
not G s M coverage. So if you started driving
across the United States, you would find big patches of
(06:52):
areas where you had no service. Um. Since then, there
have been some systems put in where you can use
one phone over an other carriers network, but you usually
end up having to pay some pretty big roaming charges um.
At least until fairly recently, a lot of the phone
carriers now I've realized that that tends to drive customers away,
(07:13):
and so they've they've taken that into account. But yeah,
and in in this case, it's still a matter of
G s M phones using other GSM networks and c
d M A phones using other c d M A networks. Um.
And if you're wondering sort of in a in a
broad path, which camp your provider falls into. Um, if
(07:34):
you're using Verizon Wireless or Sprint, next heel, Um, those
are c d M A and uh T Mobile and
a T and T are using g s M. Um.
You can also find out if you if you are
blindfolded and or you know, somebody had rubbed off all
the markings from your phone and they're not going to
do that. That's why they subsidize your phone. They put
(07:56):
their brand all over it. Um. But say you had
to look at the back of a phone that didn't
have a brand and go, how would I find out
which one this is? If you were to take the
battery out and look underneath, if it's got a simcard,
that's as phone. Yeah. The nice thing about g S
M phones is that if you if you have multiple
(08:16):
simcards and you have a different simcard for every you
know cell phone carrier, you can switch those out and
then you're not even roaming anymore. Like if you move
from one carrier's GSM network into another and you happen
to have a simcard for that carrier, you can switch
them out and you're you're just fine. Um. There's still
some problems if you are traveling overseas because they transmit
(08:41):
cellular information on different frequencies. So if your phone does
not is not capable of transmitting in the same frequencies
as the carrier around you uses, you're still out of luck.
It's just not going to be able to communicate with
the network. That's uh. That's what you see when you're
looking at phone specs are looking for a new phone
(09:01):
and you see triband or quad band, Um, that's what
they're talking about. Or if you see the phrase world phones,
that's basically what it's talking about. For GSM. There are
actually four uh frequencies that I'm aware of that are
used in different places around the world. Um. And the
more frequencies you use, I mean they're still using g
s M, but you know, you may or may not
(09:23):
find a signal. And if you're using c d M
c d M A, you're gonna have a much more
difficult time finding a signal. Yeah, especially yeah, traveling abroad,
because like like we said, c d M A is
one of those technologies that really got a foothold in
the United States and pretty much everywhere else adopted G
s M. You may wonder why that is. It's because
a lot of the European countries, uh, the governments of
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those countries mandated a specific technology, and in the US
that's generally considered kind of anti competitive, and so the
U S takes a lass a fair approach and they
decide not to They say, well, you know, we're not
gonna mandate which one is used, which sounds good except
(10:06):
for the ends up being kind of confusing for the consumer.
To make matters even more confusing. You may have seen
c d M A or G s M under other
code names like E V d O and EDGE. Well,
those refer to the different kinds of technology, and they're
actually different forms of three g r UM edges. One
(10:28):
of them that's probably well known. UM. I think the
first place I saw it once when they were starting
to talk about the three G I phone and they
were saying, well, it will be compatible with the Edge network. Um,
they talked about I remember reading articles about how T
Mobile wasn't even on Edge yet, and that was one
of the things with the uh the G one. You
(10:49):
may have heard of this, This phone from HTC uses
the Google Android operating system. I'm somewhat familiar with it. Yeah, yeah,
well they that was one of the things, uh, you
know that they did. But E V D O and
Edge are you know next well, theoretically next generation technologies. Yes,
some might say two point five instead of three. Because
(11:10):
here's the other thing is that when we're talking about
these technologies, uh, there are organizations that are in place
to try and standardize these technologies as best they can,
but you're still talking about a range of capabilities, um,
and so it gets kind of confusing. You know. You
start seeing things like the two G speeds sort of
bleed into the lower end of the three G speeds. Uh.
(11:31):
So then you might say, okay, well, this is really
a two point five G phone or two point seven
five G phone, because it's faster than a two G phone,
but it's not as fast as what three G is
supposed to be. Yeah, it definitely does not make life
easier you know, to understand all this stuff, right, well,
I mean, just to put some numbers behind it, EDGE,
(11:52):
which is UM, the enhanced Data G s M environment.
We'll give you speeds of up to kilobits per second
from what I understand, But that's on the road to
what a lot of people are calling the true three G,
which is Universal Mobile Telecommunication Servers or u MTS or
is I like to call it. And uh, and that's
(12:15):
two megabits per second. So um, you know that's that's
about one and a half times faster. Actually now wait,
never mind, it's like four times faster. Yeah, it's a
it's really fast compared comparatively speaking. And we should also
go ahead and point out that these these really high
(12:35):
end speeds, they tend to be ideals. You know, you
don't it's very rare that you're going to actually encounter
that on your own phone, especially if you're moving, If
you are in motion, then you're going to experience lower
speeds no matter which network you are, and you're not
going to have the ideal speed. And some of them
you'll see, like in lab tests, they achieve speeds of
(12:57):
blah blah blah, blah blah blah, that's because they're being
still in a lab chair and not driving across town
when you're having a conversation with a friend. And exactly
it's in under ideal circumstances, which I don't know about you,
but I am rarely in what I would consider ideal circumstances,
unless I happen to be in Hawaii, in which case
(13:17):
I often do think I'm in ideal circumstances. The other
the other three G technology besides the U M T
S is a c d M A two thousand. Actually
there are more than just the two, but those are
the two main ones. And again this is another generation
of the c d M, a technology which we can
expect to see because the United States doesn't hold you know,
it doesn't like go of stuff that easily. I mean,
do you remember when we try to switch to metric
(13:39):
we're still actually we sort of gave up on it. Yeah,
we totally gave up on it because Yeah, same sort
of thing I think is going to happen here is
that people who have who have this technology are not
going to give up on it anytime soon. But um,
I did read that a T and of course I
read this at a T and T S website, So
take it. Take this however, summer story supply, but A
(14:01):
T and T said that there are three G speeds
range from three point six to seven point two megabits
per second in the lapse and they expect that by
the end of two thousand nine they'll have it up
to twenty megabits per second. That's pretty fast. And um,
that's not fast, no, not compared to four G. Yes,
(14:23):
is that where you were going, right, I was going.
But we we need to finish three G. I think
we're pretty much done. I mean we could talk about
I guess next would be a long term evolution, right, yes,
which is where we're getting into the four G. Yeah,
that's long term evolution or LTT is the four G network.
And uh speaking of your your reluctance to abandon technologies,
(14:45):
it's kind of funny because the people who are moving
to LTE are actually um sort of a hodgepodge of
different people who are in different technologies now, UM A,
T and T and Verizon. One of them is GSM,
the other is c D M A. Both of them
are saying that they'll have uh LTE networks in place.
Um by uh, well and I'm saying when they say networks,
(15:10):
I'm thinking maybe not with a capital and network, maybe
like New York and places they're they're usually in scaled rollouts.
So well, I mean, hey, let's let's play a cell
phone tycoon for a minute. You know, you have you've
built out this infrastructure that goes across the country more
or less, and then you have to go update all
that stuff, and you only have a limited budget. You
(15:31):
know you're gonna hit the big places first where lots
and lots and lots of people are UM and then
move it out from there. So the thing is, though,
that LTE will actually hit um a hundred megabits downstream
and thirty upstream. UM. It actually uses a form of
t C P I P, which is uh the protocol
over which the Internet travels, and it's gonna be a
(15:52):
lot more like using an Internet network than cell phones
use now. So it'll be a lot more familiar, is
what I mean. The technologies are actually sort of and
to use Jonathan's favorite word converging, Yes, it'll it'll look
more like a WiFi set up than a cellular setup,
although it's not using WiFi. I mean that would that
(16:12):
would be a nightmare to do that, because you would
drop calls every time you walked fifteen feet. Now that
that's true, but uh, you know it's it's rising and
a T and T moving toward LTE and not another
famous name, which is embracing a competing technology that we're
all familiar with. It will never be rolled out. In
my opinion, y Max and Sprint. Sprint is a big fan.
(16:34):
They're they're teamed up with clear Wire. Actually admire the technology,
and I hope they roll it out. Didn't they talk
about this back in two thousand four something along those lines.
So wy Max, Yeah, that's that's supposed to be one
of those last mile solution problem things where you you say,
how can we deliver uh, Internet connectivity to that last mile, uh,
(16:55):
the last mile to the customer wirelessly. So it's kind
of like it's it's using a wireless technology that um
some people call it WiFi on steroids, but that's not
really accurate. Um, it uses a completely different kind of
protocol than WiFi. Uh, there are a certain number of
open spots. Let's say, let's let's just kind of I'm
(17:17):
going to use an example, kind of a concrete example,
just imagine this to kind of get an idea of
how why max works. Think of a round building that
has forty doors, forty doorways, and as long as one
of those doorways is open, you can get into that
get in and out of that building, and get whatever
information you need in and out of that building. That's
kind of the way why max works. Once you hit
(17:39):
a certain number of of folks hitting that that y
max server or actually tower, I guess you could say
you gotta go somewhere else. So um, but theoretically you
could serve information at incredible speeds to the people that
you are allowing into that particular service. I'm kind of
with Pullette here. I don't know that we're ever going
(18:01):
to see this because we've been promised it forever. I
know there's certain cities that are rolling out y max networks,
but yeah, it's um, it was supposed to be everywhere
by now, and it just it hasn't arrived yet. UM.
I think this goes back to the it's really expensive
to roll out expensive, brand new technology to everywhere. Yeah,
(18:21):
putting out a new infrastructure, whether you're talking about communications
or transportation or you know, fuel or whatever. Anytime you're
talking about rolling out a new infrastructure. That's expensive because
first of all, you got to figure out how you're
going to incorporate it into the existing infrastructure, and then
you got to build the darned thing, and you gotta troubleshoot,
and you gotta make sure it works, and you gotta
bring it online. And I mean, it's it's a big,
(18:43):
big deal. It's not like, you know, you flip a
switch and suddenly everyone's on four G. Now. Um, I
had read a report that said that, uh, that currently
the expectation for widespread adoption of LTE in the US
will will take at least until two thousand twelve. So
um that would it would surprise me if we got
(19:05):
there by two thousand twelve, considering how long it took
us to get to three G. But let's hope springs eternal.
I mean, the recession kind of also plays another nasty
card into this whole thing. Companies are suddenly worried more
about staying in business than they are about innovating, So
we'll have to see how that goes. Um. I did
hear that if you're stationary and you're using a top
(19:27):
of the line for G network, you could expect up
to one gig a bit per second eventually, which is
that's a lot of data that's really really fast, and
that's the that's the point at which you're gonna start seeing, uh.
I think internet convergence versus you know, now you have
DSL and cable, but at those speeds, so you know,
(19:47):
that's beating out DSL and cable connections. Now even even
the fiber optic connections are slower than that. And I've
talked a lot about like netbooks converging with smartphones. I
think at those speeds, you could really you see that happen,
because suddenly cloud computing becomes a really distinct possibility. You know,
you don't connect to a WiFi network, you connect to
a four G network, You're gonna have much faster speeds
(20:09):
than you would with WiFi. So at that point, cloud
computing becomes really really attractive because you as long as
you have that guaranteed high speed connection, you can take
advantage of it. Yeah, that sounds good. I have nothing
else about cellular phone networks, I know, Thank goodness, because
you know what that means, right, And I can try
(20:30):
and invent something real quick, hope. Sorry, it's time for
listener mail. Today's listener mail comes from Simon. Simon says,
Hey guys, Hi Simon, I was very intrigued by the
podcast on expensive cables, although without much proof, I've always
maintained that they are probably nothing but a big scam.
(20:52):
At least if you have an average entertainment system and
non bionic ears. You might haven't come in the mail yet.
I do have a couple of ments on the study
with coat hangers. As you say, it's only five people,
so obviously not too scientific, but it seems to me
that if two out of five could tell the difference,
that might be a little bit more than just coincidence. Secondly,
the fact that a coat hanger may produce the same
(21:14):
quality of monster cables can be explained by the fact
that it's made of a very thick wire, possibly capable
of transmitting more information. I just did air quotes because
he put quotes around that. So in that sense, a
code hanger and a monster cable maybe better than regular cables.
I love the podcast. Please keep up the great work. Thanks, Simon.
Great really appreciate that. Um I agree with you, a
(21:37):
sample size of five is not scientific at all. You
can't call that scientific. It was really more of an experiment,
like in the very loosest sense of the word, not
in the scientific sense. Um. As for as for uh,
a a thick wire carrying more information, Uh, you know, yeah,
(21:57):
heavier gauge wire is capable of carrying a higher charge.
I mean that makes sense. Um. But it also keep
in mind that the the coat hangers had no shielding,
so there was nothing to shield it from any interference,
which is another one of the claims that high end
cable UH manufacturers will make. They'll say this, these cables
have a lot of shielding on them, and therefore the
(22:18):
signal will be pure and you will you won't lose
anything from the source to the destination. Yeah, that's true.
And um, of course, the point is that not that
monster cables are complete under fraud. They're actually very good cables.
It's just that, uh, most people say, well, lesser cables
can handle the same treatment or are are as good
(22:39):
in certain circumstances. So you know, it's not a complete right,
you know, you're not wasting your money, it's just you're
maybe you could probably spend less money, Yeah, you could,
You can probably spend less money and get the the
experience that you really want. Um, you know, unless the
experience you really want is to feel your wallet get lighter,
in which case monster the way to go. Baby. Yeah.
(23:01):
I mean if brand recognition is good for you, then yeah,
it is a good quality product. Yeah. Alright, Well, now
that we've managed to weasel out of that one, I
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