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Welcome to tech Stuff, a production from iHeartRadio. Be there
and welcome to tech Stuff. I'm your host Jonathan Strickland,
Diamond Executive producer with iHeartRadio and how the tech are you.
It's time for the tech news for Thursday March sixteenth,
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twenty twenty three, and we're back on the Big Topic
of twenty twenty three AI, although artificial intelligence should really
watch it's back because if more tech related financial institutions
fail this year, I think there's going to be a
new contender for the Big Topic of twenty twenty three.
But this week open ai announced the release of GPT four.
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This is the large language model that is now multimodal.
All right, let's break this down. So first of all,
GPT stands for generative pre train transformer. The word transformer
in this case doesn't refer to either a robot in
disguise or the device that can step voltage up or
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down with alternating current. Instead, this kind of transformer is
a type of machine learning model that Google first introduced
back in twenty seventeen. The word generative indicates that it's
capable of creating something generating something as for a multimodal
that means this new version of GPT can accept different
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kinds of input prompts to create output. So previously GPT
could only accept text, but now it can also accept images,
and it can give analysis of those images or presumably
incorporate those images into responses, like maybe you could ask
GPT who is the person in this picture? Or how
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many elements are in this photograph? Or can you tell
me a story about what is in this picture? That
kind of stuff. GPT four also seriously ups the word
count on its responses. So the previous version GPT three
point five, that's the version that actually powers chat GPT,
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it could create a response of around three thousand words max.
But GPT four can get positively low quacious and provide
deep responses to queries that could go up to twenty
five thousand words. So now we're getting into like Jonathan
in a casual conversation level here text stuff episode. In
other words, it's also apparently better at playing by the
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rules that open ai has set. That is, it is
less likely than chat GPT three point five to respond
to requests that would break policy, you know, stuff like
generating hate speech or responding to requests to cause problems
within a community, it is less likely to do that,
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not completely impervious to it, but it's better than the
previous generations were. Developers will also have a lot more
options when they use GPT as part of their apps.
They can even shape how the AI will respond to
a user. They can adjust stuff like the tone and
the style of responses. So if you have something that's
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like a say, a fun and silly app that for
some reason needs to tap into the power of GPT,
you could adjust the tone to be more lighthearted and
playful rather than stick with the standard tone and style
of the normal response, which is what previous generations of
GPT were stuck with. And in a demonstration, open Ai
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showed that GPT four can even do some pretty astonishing stuff,
some advanced tasks. So, for example, you could write an
idea for a basic website right like you're using a
notepad and you're writing out your concept or your website.
You can then feed that concept to GPT and it
could actually create the website complete with basic functionality. So
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the example I saw had GPT produce a website based
around jokes, so you would get the setup of the
joke appearing as text and then to get the punchline,
you would have to click on a little box that
would reveal what the punchline was to the joke. And
this was all prompted by some pretty simple notes about
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the parameters for this website. Like it wasn't copying the note,
it was taking the notes as directions and then making
the website based on those directions. That's pretty cool. Now,
it still has a lot of the problems of earlier
generations of GPT. Its responses can still be inaccurate and misleading.
The common term I've seen in this are hallucinations, where
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the response ends up not being an accurate representation. It's
a hallucination. I don't really like that term personally. I
just I think it ends up kind of sugarcoating what
we're actually talking about here, which is trustworthiness and accuracy
and hallucination. I don't know, it seems a little too
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it seems like it's letting GPT off the hook a
little too much. That's my own personal opinion. It's kind
of similar to how I feel about Tesla and naming
its driver assist feature full self driving. I don't think
that is an accurate representation of what it actually does
same sort of thing, right, Like names and words mean things,
and sometimes you have to ask why are these words
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being used to describe this? Is it in an attempt
to kind of take some pressure off. And that's just
my own personal take on this. I could be way
way off base. Anyway, it's still pretty cool. But obviously,
if GPT produces information that is misleading or inaccurate, but
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the presentation is put across in such a way as
to seem authentic, that's a real problem. And it could
also still be used to do stuff like promote ideologies
and create propaganda in ways that are perhaps not entirely ethical.
So while the new features are really impressive, the challenges
that we face with these kinds of AI models haven't
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magically been dismissed. They still very much exist. However, one
issue that apparently we do not need to worry about
is GPT for's ability to destroy us all. So I'm
being a bit glib here, but Open Ai actually did
allow an AI research group called the Alignment Research Center
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or ARC, to test the Large Language Model to make
sure it doesn't show signs of being capable of starting
the robot uprising and learning all of us into batteries
or something Specifically, the AI group was looking into possibilities
like the model's capacity to copy itself or to acquire resources,
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whether digital or real world or whatever, or maybe its
ability to manipulate people with stuff like phishing attacks and
that kind of thing. Also whether or not it can
make high level plans and then maybe follow through on
those plans. So this kind of gets into some of
the scary stuff around AI that we typically think of
as being science fiction, right, like Terminator style stuff. The
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thought of a sufficiently intelligent AI could be capable of
escaping whatever constraints we try to put on it, because
by definition, if it's super intelligent, then it's smarter than
we are, right, So if it's smarter than we are,
then there it stands to reason it would figure out
a way to get out of whatever box we try
to put it in, including the possibility of manipulating people
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to essentially set it free. There have been thought experiments
that have shown this is entirely possible. The AI researchers
concluded that GPT four doesn't measure up to this kind
of dangerous AI, But then, as Ours Technica reports, there
are scarce details on the nature of the tests that
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the research group actually conducted, so it's hard to judge
whether or not their findings are trustworthy themselves. Also, I
think we need to remind ourselves that whether or not
AI poses an existential threat to humanity, we can acknowledge
that AI contributes to real problems in the here and now. Now.
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Usually this comes as an unintended consequence, such as the
inclusion of bias within a system that leads to one
group of people being disproportionately affected by negative outcomes, facial
recognition technologies being a great example of that, but it
could also be included by design, right, someone could make
an AI applicant designed to create harm in some way.
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The alignment part of Alignment Research Center refers to the
goal of making sure that AI is in alignment or
agreement with basic principles that are meant to benefit humanity.
But here's the thing. Bias can come into that sort
of decision making process too, and you have to ask
tough questions of who decides that criteria, who is it
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that's defining what is beneficial because believe me, there is
not a universal or objective truth to what that actually
even means. And even an effort to create an quote
unquote aligned AI could result in one that benefits a
small group at the expense of everyone else. Earlier this year,
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I mentioned that the Chinese megacompany by Do was hard
at work on its own aipowered chatbot that it had
called ernie Bot. Well earlier Today, by Do showed off
ernie Bot, but did so with prerecorded videos in showing
off its capabilities. Obviously, prerecorded videos can be fudged a
little bit, so that brought some concern. It also didn't
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launch any sort of public access to the tool. It's
keeping access very much limited. And dissatisfaction followed, and Bydu's
stock shares dropped as much as ten percent initially, though
that leveled off a little bit later, so the company
only lost around three billion dollars in value. Yikes. Bydu
seems to be taking a more measured approach to deploying
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its AI chatbot, which I actually argue is the responsible
thing to do. We have seen numerous stories of how
GPT has caused problems with premature deployments, such as homophobic
jokes on the endless computer generated Seinfeld episode that's on Twitch.
All way to creating a concern among teachers that their
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students could be using a chatbot to cheat on assignments,
and more so, a more deliberate rollout seems like it's
a good idea to me. But then I guess there's
this perception that Baidu is trailing behind companies like Microsoft
and Google, and there's this fear that it's not being competitive.
I think not being competitive in this case also means
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you're sidestepping some potentially really troubling problems down the line.
But I'm not an investor, So there you go. Okay,
we've got a lot more stories to cover, but before
we get to that, let's take a quick break. We're back,
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so let's talk about TikTok. We've got a couple of
stories about that. Again. The government of the United Kingdom
is following the latest trend of banning TikTok on government
owned devices, or at least it's considering that option. By
the time you hear this podcast, the matter may have
officially been decided, but as I was recording it, it
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was still something that was being considered, but we were
expecting an announcement sometime today. The UK would follow in
the footsteps of the United States, Canada, the Netherlands, the
European Union in general, and several other countries if they
were to do this, and yes, the heart of the
matter is the security concerns of data potentially filtering to
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TikTok's Chinese owned parent company, Byte Dance, and by extension,
to the Chinese government. Yesterday, The Wall Street Journal reported
that the United States could send TikTok and byte Dance
and ultimatum, which is essentially, you must sever all ties
between TikTok and bitte Dance. By Dance would have to
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spin off TikTok as an entirely independent company and not
be the parent company anymore, or TikTok risks being banned nationwide.
This echoes what former President Donald Trump tried to do
a few years ago. He tried to force TikTok to
divorce itself from its parent company and become a truly
US organization. During Trump's presidency, the push was for TikTok
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to sell itself to some larger American company, but this
never came to fruition, partly because TikTok argued in court
that this directive from the president would violate a law
called the Burman amendments that prevent presidents from using economic
pressures to force international communications platforms from doing stuff. So essentially,
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they were saying this is against the law, and now
we're seeing a similar push from the Biden administration. I'm
not exactly sure how that same law wouldn't apply in
this case, Like, I don't know that there's a new
argument to be made if it's coming straight from the president. Anyway,
TikTok reps argue that a massive one and a half
billion dollar program meant to secure data in the US
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and to allow third party security companies a chance to
monitor TikTok's operations to look for anything hinky going on.
They're saying that's more than enough to solve the worries
that TikTok is serving as a threat to national security.
And then further, reps for TikTok have said that if
by Dance did divest itself of TikTok, that wouldn't actually
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prevent the transmission of data from TikTok to China. I'm
not entirely sure how all this tracks, but then I
haven't been given a glimpse of all the details, so
I doubt I would even understand all of it if
I did, because this is wrapping into things like finance
and trade more than the technology itself. Anyway, it looks
like we're heading to an impass and I'm not entirely
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sure where it's going to go from there. But my
guess is we're not going to see the pressure on
TikTok going away anytime soon. Hey, y'all remember FTX, You know,
the company that used to be the second largest crypto
exchange in the world before word got out that the
team behind it was practicing some creative accounting that you know,
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you might be able to look at another point of
view and call it, you know, fraud. But more bad
news has emerged about the company and its high profile
co founder, Sam Bankman Freed aka SBF. So the new
folks in charge of FTX, who are mostly going through
the process of selling the company off for parts in
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order to return as much value to investors and customers
as possible, have said that they have uncovered transfers that
collectively amounted to around two point two billion dollars and
that this money was sent to SBF through various means,
primarily through Alameda Research, the hedge fund company that was
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you know Yen to ftx's yang. An additional billion seemed
to be pulled from FTX to go to other key
members of FTX, and yeah, Alameda Research handled those transfers,
according to the new owners of T and that you know,
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it's been going on for a while. And I personally
consider the report shocking but not surprising. By that, I mean,
I'm not at all surprised that SPF was trying to
pull as much cash out as he could before FTX
came crashing down. It is shocking exactly how much money
that was, right like to pull out two point two
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billion dollars in various means as you're trying to salvage
as much as you can from a ship that's sinking.
Incredible Anyway. SPF is currently out on bail awaiting his trial, which,
according to the current court schedule, will not begin until
October this year because justice is super swift. The Verge
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has an article titled the Silicon Valley bank fallout is
just beginning. It's a great article. You should go read
it on the Verge and the articles mostly about how
tech companies are trying to figure out where to go
for word from here, what's the safest place to bank
now that SVB has gone under, because if you remember,
SVB was like a financial pillar for the tech industry.
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So this piece lays out the challenges that tech companies
currently face, including how to mitigate risk while ensuring that
tasks like making payroll aren't interrupted. Like you might argue, hey,
it'd be really good to make sure you're depositing in
different banks so that way you're not having all of
your eggs in one basket, and if that basket goes
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belly up, you're still all right because you've got eggs
and other baskets, right, Except that if you're trying to
do things like pay out a large group of employees,
having that money dispersed makes it much more difficult to
do those kind of tasks. So that's the sort of
challenges that tech companies are looking at. The piece also
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mentions that we're probably going to see a change in
how startups are funded and how they operate, and part
of me thinks that a reevaluation of startup culture is
long overdue. I have often worried that the tendency for
startups to launch without first creating a firm business plan,
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instead essentially having a desire to get acquired by some
other company has really led to irresponsible behavior, and that
this has gone unchecked for too long. This created too
many companies that ultimately produced very little value. Right. You'll
hear about a company like Google or Meta or Amazon
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scooping up some of these companies, and sometimes nothing really
seems to come of it, right, and you're just like, well,
what good did that startup due apart from make the
founders rich? And then you see the founders go off
and do the same thing again, where they'll start up
a new company, perhaps one that also has very little
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business plan element to it, also with the hope that
they are going to get scooped up by another company,
and they do it again and again and again, because
coming up with an idea that sounds attractive is way
easier than making that idea work. And if you are
good at selling ideas, you can just do a serial
approach to create cool sounding idea, sell it off to
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someone else, rents, and repeat and by an island somewhere,
I'm hoping that this represents a reality check moment where
we will see a more thoughtful and careful approach to
funding startups that might be a vain hope, because you know,
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historically investors have shown a really strong desire to get
in on the thing that's possibly going to take the
world by storm, so that you get so rich that
you make Scrooge mcdock look like a pauper. Anyway, the
article in The Verge is a good one again, it's
called the Silicon Valley Bank fallout is just beginning. It
also takes time to point out that the collapse of
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SVB was in large part the fault of some of
the venture capitalist investors themselves. Like you had the leaders
of big investment fund groups saying, hey, you should probably
pull your money out of SVB because if you don't,
someone else is going to do it, and then you
won't be able to get your money, and so they
ended up creating the very crisis that they were warning
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people about. So I think a lot of financial institutions
may still view loans to the tech sector as being
risky because the venture capital community have proven themselves to
be self destructive. It's hard to trust in an industry
when you see the tendency to act in self interest
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to the point where you harm everybody else. Very difficult
to put your trust into that group. Okay, still have
a few more stories to cover before I get to that.
Let's another quick break, Okay. The Federal Trade Commission or FTC,
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has finalized its judgment against Epic Games regarding the company's
practice of enticing or perhaps even fooling Fortnite players into
making in game purchases through what the FTC calls dark patterns.
So essentially, dark patterns refers to creating an interface that
makes it really easy, far too easy, most would argue,
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for a player to make an in game purchase, perhaps
without even knowing or understanding that it is a financial transaction.
One of the ways the FTC argued Epic Games did
this was that it ended up playing fast and loose
with button inputs, so that you might have a button
that normally has you back out of a menu option, right, Like,
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maybe you've had your menu UI set up so that
when you hit B, you're backing out of that part
of the menu and you go to a larger part.
But then in a transaction, maybe you suddenly make B
confirm instead of backout, and so people who are used
to using bing and backout hit B, but now they've
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just made a payment, and that might not be something
you could easily reverse or cancel out of, like maybe
there's no confirmed feature. You just boom, you've done it.
Another part of the problem is that a lot of
the folks who are playing Fortnite are kids, So the
FTC argued that Epic Games didn't include enough protections to
prevent kids from making in game purchases without parental consent,
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so they just started racking up enormous charges on parents
credit cards that were associated with the account, and if
a player did go so far as to contact their
credit card company to dispute charges, Epic Games would then
lock that person's player account so they couldn't play the
game anymore. So now the FTC is telling Epic Games
to cough up two hundred forty five million dollars as punishment.
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The FTC plans to use that money to provide refunds
to affected players. Plus, Epic will not be allowed to
block people who dispute credit card charges anymore per the
terms of this agreement. If you think you were affected
by Epic Games practices. In other words, if you feel
you were tricked into making a purchase on Fortnite and
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you are a US citizen, you can go to the
website FTC dot gov slash fortnite that's foart n Ie,
and you can fill in a little online form to
start the refund process. South Korea and Samsung announced plans
to build a truly enormous semiconductor manufacturing campus this week.
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It's one that Samsung is going to invest two hundred
thirty billion dollars in two The effort will make South
Korea much more competitive with Taiwan's TSMC as a semiconductor
manufacturing company that's responsible for more than half of all
the semiconductors used in advanced electronics today. It's also a
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move to create a better supply in a world that
not so long ago was in a serious crunch due
to many factors, in the big one being the COVID
nineteen pandemic. Samsung was one of several companies hit hard
by supply chain issues, and by investing in semiconductor manufacturing
facilities within South Korea, there are hopes to head off
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future problems like what we saw on the recent past.
This is not that different from what we're seeing here
in the United States. The US government has poured billions
of dollars or at least earmarked billions of dollars for
similar investments here in the US again to try and
alleviate some of these bottleneck points for supply chain issues
in the future. Over in Japan, the US startup Lift
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Aircraft Incorporated held its first test flight of the Hexa
flying car vehicle with an actual human being piloting it.
So it was the first time it had a piloted
test flight. So it looks like like an oversized quad
copter that has a cockpit in it that can hold
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a single rider. Now, the plan is to have flying
vehicles give rides to passengers in time for the twenty
twenty five Osaka Kansai Expo. And from what I read,
it is a single seater vehicle, so I'm guessing that
for passenger rides it must be either controlled remotely or
possibly autonomous. I think remote control is far more realistic,
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but there's no way you would just hand over control
of a flying car to some rando and then just
say good luck out there. Anyway, this particular vehicle isn't
meant for the long haul because according to Asahi dot Com,
it can fly for about fifteen minutes, so you don't
even get twenty minutes of travel out of this thing,
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so it's meant for very short distance as it travels
at speeds top speeds at around one hundred kilometers per
hour that's about sixty two miles per hour. Japan's Transport
Ministry is now hashing out the regulations that lift aircraft
and other vendors that are also planning similar services for
this particular exhibit. These are going to be the rules
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that they'll have to follow, which is good because this
is really one area where I don't want to see
regulation trail too far behind the technological innovation. People's lives
are involved here right, their lives and their safety and
their health. I think that it's very good that there
is serious work being done in the regulation side. Richard
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branson satellite launch company Virgin Orbit, has effectively closed up shop,
at least for now. According to BBC News, Virgin Orbit
has stopped all operations and put staff on furlough. This
is in the wake of a failed launch attempt that
happened off the coast of Ireland earlier this year. And
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by a launch attempt, I mean an actual attempt to
launch a payload into orbit. I believe it was nine
satellites in total that were part of this payload. So
in early January, Virgin Orbit attempted to launch a launcher
one rocket which rides on an aircraft, especially fit seven
forty seven, and the seven forty seven reaches a certain altitude,
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then it deploys the launch vehicle, which ignites its engines,
and then it goes from there. But something somewhere went wrong.
So at the time, Virgin Orbit said the first stage
rocket fired exactly as it was supposed to, it shut
down exactly as it was supposed to, and the second
stage ignited just like it was meant to. In fact,
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that initially Virgin Orbit said that the payload had even
achieved orbit, but by the time you got to about
half an hour after launch, they changed their tune. They
said the payload failed to reach orbit, and there wasn't
much information about why. Later on we heard that apparently
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an engine had overheated due to a filter becoming dislodged,
so that was possibly the reason for the failure to
reach orbit. Now, it's not unusual for young rocket companies
to have problems like this, and we indicate that something
isn't that difficult by saying, well, it's not rocket science.
And the reason we do that is because rocket science
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is bloody difficult, so it should not come as a
surprise that there will be failures. But whether you think
of rocket science as being difficult or not, investors want
results when you're talking about companies, and if you fail
to provide good results, then the investors are more likely
to bail on you, and that seems to be what happened.
Virgin Orbit needed a real win back in January, and
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the launch failure hit the company really hard. Ours Tetnica
predicted back in January that Virgin Orbit would face a
potential existential crisis as a result of it, and now
that crisis seems to have hit. And again this did
not come as a surprise because it wasn't just Ours
Tetnica predicting that Virgin Orbit was going to be in
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real trouble as a result of this failure. Multiple analysts
had projected that at the rate that the company was
burning through money, it would be out of business this month.
And while we can't say that Virgin Orbit is really
most sincerely dead, it certainly has a rough road ahead
of it and if it wants to return to solvency, Finally,
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NASA and a company called Axiom showed off the stylish
new moon suits yesterday. I've done full episodes about the
evolution of the space suit, including discussions about the differences
between astronaut and cosmonaut suits. While space suits have evolved
over time, for the most part, changes have been small iterations.
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But these new suits have a lot of improvements and
more significant changes than earlier models. For one thing, they've
got a lot more joints in them, as in joints
that allow for movement, not you know, for twenty just blaze,
and these allow for greater freedom of movement when you're
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galumping across the surface of the Moon, so you can
do things like crouch and squat, you know, important stuff
when you're playing a first person shooter. Also important stuff
if you're doing things like doing science on the Moon.
So yeah, astronauts are going to have a lot more
freedom of movement while they're wearing these suits. Another big
change is that previous suits required you to get into
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a lower half first, so it's like you're putting on
a pair of space pants. Then you had the upper
half attached to you, and they would attach to the
lower half and create a seal. But yeah, the suits
were in two pieces, right, a lower in an upper half.
These new suits don't do that. Instead, they have an
entrance through the back, so you open up the back,
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you get in, you get zipped up, essentially like you're
secured by your team, and then you're wearing your own
little space onesie that way. It's not little. I don't
know why I said little. These are big suits. They
also come equipped with some cool stuff like HD cameras,
so you can get that awesome high definition point of
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view shot while someone's walking across the Moon. They have
also improved thermal insulation so that astronauts are going to
be able to wander the Chili regions of the South Pole.
That's the area that NASA has identified as the potential
site for a long term space colony type thing or
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a moon base, and it's important to have that kind
of insulation if you don't want to freeze your tootsies off.
They are officially called the Axia Extra Vehicular Mobility Unit
or AXIMU for short. The versions NASA showed off had
this dark gray cover on them, but when used by
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the astronauts, they will be white space suits and Interestingly,
NASA will not own these suits. They're not purchasing the suits. Instead,
it's kind of like a lunar tuck's rental. NASA will
go to Axiom and rent space suits for missions starting
with the planned lunar landing that right now aims to
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return people to the Moon's surface by twenty twenty five.
Side note, I remain a little pessimistic about that timeline.
I think twenty twenty five is probably a doubt we're
going to make that, but I hope I'm wrong. It
would be great If I am, I will not be
upset at all if we do manage to get back
to the Moon by twenty twenty five. I think that's
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a very exciting prospect. I think it's a very inspiring thing.
It gets people, especially kids, really excited about space and
science and engineering, and that's always wonderful. Not to mention,
we stand a chance to learn more, which is always cool.
And to this day this is true. I find when
I look up at the Moon, inevitably I just sit
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there and marvel at the fact that we put people
up there. We put humans on the surface of the Moon.
They walked around on the Moon, they played golf, on
the Moon. Then we were able to get those same
people back home to Earth safely. And then Noel Brown
goes and says, yeah, but Stanley Kubrick shot the whole
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thing on a sound stage and I lose my ever
love in mind. Y'all. This sounds like a joke, but
it happened repeatedly this past weekend. When I was in Austin,
Texas for South By Southwest, I would tell this story
about finding the moon really inspirational and they'd say, yeah.
I was just talking to Noel about conspiracy theories, and
it took everything in my body not to lay into Knoll.
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Of course, I went Null's the sweetest person in the world,
but man, I was going bonkers by the end. All right,
enough of all that. That's the news for Thursday, March sixteenth,
twenty twenty three. I hope you are all well. If
you have any suggestions for future topics of tech stuff,
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