January 5, 2023 • 63 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
Becdel Cast listeners. Oh my god, I almost just like,
for some reason, I was going to start singing that
(00:22):
being the song. I was like, Okay, we've did our countdown.
We're like one, two, three, four or five past. Oh wow,
if we did that, that would be actually really fucked up.
If we did that. Well, look, my voice, as you
might be able to tell listeners, is it doesn't sound
quite like myself. I'm a little sick at the moment. Sick.
(00:45):
Oh sexy, what stop it? Sorry, you're gonna refort me
to hrfort me to Jack O'Brien, I dare you? Um,
what I'm saying is I don't know how that will
affect my amazing, beautiful, perfect singing voice being sick. So
it's true, So we better not. But what we are
(01:08):
going to do today is answer some questions in a
Q and I episode, which we've done in the past.
It's kind of become a yearly tradition that we kick
off the new year with a Q and I episode
answering questions that our matrons have submitted. So thank you
to all the matrons who submitted a question. Yeah, we're
(01:30):
not going to have time to answer all of them
because we're so popular and we've got so many questions.
Sorry everybody, but but um we're gonna answer a few
of them. And that's how we kick off. I love
our Q and A episode. It's it's a time of traditions,
you know. We we released our Grace Freud episode on
(01:54):
the Santa Clauses. Is that Grace at the show last
night and we were really reflecting on how we are
going to be doing a fifth one of those episodes.
It kind of like I can't believe the bone chilling
in a way. Um, but a lot of traditions, you know,
kind of like really hit you in the marrow of
your existence. Sure. Well, as we discussed on that episode,
(02:15):
we're not quite certain if this is a tradition or
a curse. So it's true. I mean, but I do
love um being cursed by things. It makes me happy.
It's reassuring at times, that's true. Yeah, it reminds you
that you're alive. It when you think about it. Doesn't
it though? Doesn't it though? I? Yeah, yeah, all right, um, okay,
(02:39):
shall we get into it? I was like, I guess
we don't really need to tell people what the Bachtel
test is today, Like it's this week, honey, look it up. Yeah.
Plus we are going to be passing it so much
in this by answering these questions, can we start with
just like, I just want to know. I'm like, I
just want to tell you something. I was like, how
(02:59):
can I make this a part of the show. I
just wanted to tell you something. I saw a ska
band last night, A ska band. I skanked. It was awesome.
It was so cool, and it was feminism. And you
know why why the vast majority of the horn section
were women? Oh no kidding. We had a woman on
the trump bone. We had a woman on the trumpet.
(03:20):
It was very thrilling. I am now really like, you know,
much like many things, I feel like Scott Scott is
going to make a comeback. You can really quote me
on that. I saw a cool ska band last night
and and and people were like, are you gonna skank
or what? And I was like, is that the verb
(03:42):
to wait, what does to skank mean? Oh, we're having
a moment um, it's uh skank. It's like the dance
well now I sound it's like the dance that Scott do. Um.
It's sort of just like really performative, low kicking um,
but you can do. You do it in the kind
of like a pit situation and it's just like a
(04:04):
bunch of friendly kicking and you know, the time registers
doing what it's doing. Okay, So like the Charlie Brown dance,
isn't that how the Peanuts characters. I don't know the
SKA community would feel about you saying that, Caitlin, but
I'm sorry, I'm sure that's very reductive. But it's not
unlike that. But it's more like intense. It's pretty fast,
(04:26):
but it is just kind of like bad dancing. But
like when people are into it, you're like, maybe this
is good. And I and I did that bit that
I have with the egg where I eat the egg familiar,
thank you so much. Listeners remain in the dark. Um.
But the guy brought up bassist in the SKA band,
so they're also allies to me doing the egg bit.
(04:50):
Ska is feminist and I just wanted to let you
know that. Okay, I'm glad to hear it, and then
can I tell you something? Yeah, of course, I don't
know if I'll follow through on this, but I think
in the new year I want to take a burlesque
class and then get into burlesque. That's so, that's amazing.
What if you did burlesque and I played the trombone,
(05:13):
we could do Oh, I could play for you. That
would be perfect. You could do rose do itpy cater burlesque,
and then I would play my Heart Will go On
on the trombone. Yes, that wouldn't be cursed. Wait, that's
so amazing. Are there classes like locally? I guess I
(05:35):
would imagine their I I think so, yeah, because I
don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to
do burlesque, but it's an art for us, so I
have to learn. And so if anyone has any tips
on how to do burlesque or play the trombone, if
anyone's trying to get rid of a trombone, um, I'm
in the market for one. I feel like if I
have of trombone like around, at some point, I'm gonna
(05:59):
have to pick it up. You know like it's acquiring
the traumbone is half the battle, and then finding a
good traumba to you if you're a local l a trombonus.
I don't know if I'll stick with this, but it
was just so inspiring to um see so many women
in the SKA band. Anyways, Okay, queues and as here
we go, starting with a question from Alex. Hi. Alex asks,
(06:23):
y'all sometimes talk about how watching movies for the show
changes your perspective on them. Along similar lines, has doing
the show changed your perspective on films in general? If so,
in what ways? Oh? I would say for me, the
show has made me realize that so few movies are
(06:48):
ones that I could ever vouch for in terms of
does this hold up when looking at it through an
intersectional feminist lens? Because I think the average nipple skill
writing we give out is like one pull out of five.
Maybe too, I would say, maybe too, because we've we've
(07:12):
been covering like better movies as the show went on. Yeah,
we used to be strictly, strictly a hater. This used
to be strictly a hater zone, but grew up. But
I still love movies. I still I always have, I
always will. I don't think anything's ever gonna change that.
(07:33):
So even though nearly every movie ever made is a
disaster at least when it comes to intersexual feminism, it's
still a medium that I adore so and I don't
know what that says about me, but I'm always going
to love movies. Beautiful Yeah for me, I like it
(07:57):
definitely has changed my perspective, but even like a life,
like even throughout the course of the show, it has
changed my perspective in like more nuanced ways as things
went on, because as as fun as it always will
be to be like, yeah, this is just like not good.
This is like a hateful use of media. But as
(08:18):
time goes on, you know, and and we cover movies
that have like more kind of shape, Like I guess,
it's been interesting too. Now I feel like I approached
like you, there's like different ways to approach the movie,
and in some ways you can appreciate it more and
in other ways, like it is not as fun of
a watch, like I guess, I used to watch movies
on one setting, but now I have like an appreciation
(08:40):
for being able to like watch movies on more than
one setting, and and had that be okay, you know,
because it used to I feel like I used to
be like movie good or movie bad, and it's like, well,
there's a lot of different ways, and you know, everyone
is their own person. Some movies are just like straight
up sucking bad. But I've enjoyed kind of like training
(09:01):
myself to like seek out context and like try to
understand a little better if a movie is like challenging
me and not just like clearly shitty or clearly amazing,
to kind of like seek out more context and figure
out like what time was this coming out in, Like
where was the writer and the filmmaker coming from, and
(09:22):
like how does that kind of And I feel like
on our show that's kind of like skewed us in
both directions towards a movie where there's like some movies
were giving the benefit of the doubt, and then we
learn more about it, we're like, oh no, we were
being too nice, never again, and then other times, um
the opposite, we're like, Okay, clearly this like missed, but
the attempt was at least somewhat sincere or whatever. And
(09:46):
I think it's also changed the way that I write,
hopefully for the better. I think for the better. UM,
and just like the way that I approach characters, and
it's nice to kind of have the Bechdel track in
your head to make sure that you're giving everyone the
space they need in the story. That's my answer, Alex, Yes, M,
(10:09):
thanks for asking it. Our next question comes from Catherine High. Catherine, UM,
A lot of movies lately are experimenting with subverting tired
old movie tropes. Are y'all noticing any of these recent
tropes of versions that are becoming tropes of their own? Um?
One comes to mind right away, which is like forced
(10:32):
villain Redemption arc. Don't like it. Don't like I mean,
I don't even know how that how much that has
to do with feminism or intersectionality. I just don't like it.
And I miss pushing the villain off of a cliff,
which I know before, but actually it does connect to
the episode that came out last week on the Santa Clauses,
where I feel like it's become I think especially in
(10:53):
Disney properties, but kind of across media in general, like
it's become so normalized to be like I get started
by coming from a sincere place. I'm trying to think of,
like what big movie would have kicked this off, but
like coming at a villain character with empathy, it might
have been even like Wicked or something like that. Like
coming at a classic villainous character with empathy and trying
(11:16):
to understand things from their point of view. I think
that that is like a sincere thing at the beginning,
but now it's just like I mean, in the Santa Clauses,
for example, you just have like a guy who's straight
up a bad guy. The cow Penn character is like
a Jeff Bezos villain, but the movie, but the movie
that whatever Avatar length miniseries is like doing fucking Olympic
(11:39):
gymnastics to try to like redeem him, because that's just
like what you do now. And I feel like it
can really like go the other way in a very
uncomfortable way. I don't know, Like there's movies where it's
super works, and then there's other movies where it just
feels like, oh, this is what we do now. So
I'm going to write a truly despicable horror character and
(12:01):
then just have everyone forgive them at the end, even
if they are like Jeff Bezos human rights abuse. Like
You're like, but we don't need to forgive that guy.
We just don't. There are some people we need to
forgive in movies, and I like that, but others not
as much. Right, I have complicated feelings about it because
I think that it's important that depending on the person
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and their crimes, redemption like their crimes is a huge thing,
because it's like, you know, right, like the society would
be a better place. You just reminded me of what
Searchharonan saying women and little the My my cold is
(12:55):
affecting my cognitive functioning. But what I'm trying to say
is redemption is possible for some people, and I, like,
I don't know, I want to like create space for
people who, you know, if they if they do what
they need to do to redeem themselves and their and
their crimes aren't so heinous that they could possibly deserve redemption.
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Like that's a message that I think should be put
out into aforementioned society, especially in kids media, because there's
so many like tropes that villainized marginalized people in a
way that is like absolutely fucked up and needs to
be re examined. I think it's just like that as
(13:41):
a trope that also applies to like people who are
fucking capitalism ng the hell out, Like you're just like, yeah,
I struggle with it. Yeah, for sure, it's also kind
of boring. Another trope I've noticed is movies and TV
and media in general. Um, I mean, we have noticed
(14:01):
more diverse casts in terms of race, gender, sexuality, and
things like that, but because so much media is still
made by rich, powerful white men, it's clear that this
inclusion only is happening because these guys are tired of
(14:25):
people challenging them. So there's there is like more diversity,
but a lot of it isn't good or meaningful, or
it's clear that they didn't consult anyone about these characters. Oftentimes,
these characters are very flat, underdeveloped people who behave in
(14:47):
ways that make no sense, and they are just there
to like fill a quota more or less. Yeah, which
is like like I like, arguably worse. Like I mean, yeah,
I don't know, like the yardstick they're really but like
it's that's diabolical to do like higher talented people and
then be like, but I'm just doing this so people
(15:09):
leave me alone. It's like a fucking character do your job, man,
for sure. So yeah, I also find that frustrating. I
think we may be uh the gender swapped reboot maybe
on its on its dying legs. I think we may
really well and truly be done with it. Yes, what
I hope happens. In addition to like what we always
(15:31):
talk about with more movies, and I think in the
time this show, like you're just saying the time the
show's existed, there's been an increase in diverse storytelling and
it's been getting better. But I also hope that it's
like that makes way for more original storytelling to it
feels like it's kind of on the upswing. We got
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her everything everywhere all at once, like we're chilling. It's good,
but like, I hope that that kind of keeps moving. Also, unrelated,
hope that, um that short movies come back. If short
that would say that is a trope that every movie
is three hours long now and I will allow it
(16:13):
when it's r R R, which I'll talk about later,
but why is every other movie so long? It's complicated
stopping even when movies I like are long, I'm like,
come on, um, Yeah, I hope that the eight seven
minute movie makes come back. Wouldn't that be cool? And
(16:35):
then then you could go to double features without like
your fucking organs rupturing. It would be cool. Um without
your intestines exploding. Call back to while you were sleeping, Oh,
Matreon head over, Yanna, listen to Sandra Boogs Boss talking
about his mother's organs exploding when she met his wife
(17:00):
was an amazing time for writing. Um. Yeah, I think
that I'm trying to think of other I think those
are maybe we'll think of more later. I know that
there's a bunch that are kind of prevalent right now.
I think it's like a lot of them boiled down
to people attempting more inclusion and diversity in storytelling and
(17:20):
not getting it quite right because they are like coming
from places of extreme privilege and aren't bothering to consult
or like hand the reins to someone else who can
tell those stories more meaningfully. So agree anyway, Um, let's
(17:44):
take a quick break and then come back for some
more questions and we're back. Next question comes from Jacqueline
asks do you feel like the era of Prestige TV
(18:05):
slash limited anthology series does a better job of representing
women and diverse voices on camera and do you have
theories as to why or why not? For example, I
think that the way streamers produce TV shows allow diverse
creators to make their art, and having longer character arts
in general seems to let women have more depth. These
(18:26):
points both have their negative counterpoint um and Yeah, I
think you're already touching on a lot of why this is.
And I I don't watch a ton of TV. I'm
definitely more of a movie person. But the nature of
TV just generally does allow for more in depth character development. However,
(18:52):
TV is still full of regressive tropes, maybe not as
many today. I do think that a lot of media
again is like trying to avoid that stuff, um, for
better or worse. And I also think that because TV
is ongoing, usually with multiple seasons, it gives creators and
(19:15):
writers a chance to course correct as the series goes
on m based on responses from fans usually, but it
always comes down to who is behind the camera, who's
in the writer's room, who's making these creative choices about characters. Yeah,
I have like a lot. I don't. I have a
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lot of opinions on TV. I love TV. I've worked
in TV for five years now, brag Binkie, but mostly
in animation, but I feel like there's I agree with Jacqueline,
there is more, I think more diversity in general. Then
TV is also so fraud Like I think that there's
(19:58):
a lot of amazing shows that are uh from women
and people call her and queer people. There's there's simply
just more of them than there are in movies. But
because of how streaming works, it's so fraught, and I
feel like sometimes things just go away and it feels
like sometimes it's like, Okay, we'll give you one season,
and like the same problems kind of exist where you know,
(20:22):
like a show by you know, a notable white man,
even if it kind of sucks for one season, they'll
get a second season to find their voice and do
all this stuff and blah blah blah. Where like in movies,
and we talked about this a lot with with marginalised
directors of like if you have one movie that doesn't
(20:42):
do great financially or critically, you could be kind of done,
and like that also bears out in TV quite a bit.
But I do feel like there's a lot to be
excited about, like you know, absolutely Broken Record being like
Abbot elementary, but like for real abbot elementary, like it's
the fucking cool Like, it's the funniest show on TV. Um,
(21:04):
there's so many good shows at right now, but Okay,
a show that sticks out to me is like The
Gordita Chronicles, which was a really cute shell It was
really good. It was on HBO Max. It is a
Latin focused show and it's from Latin creators, but they
were only given one season and not only was the
show canceled, it's being pulled from HBO Max because of
(21:26):
all this evil corporate ship that's going on right now.
That makes it really really hard for because of how
streaming works, like, it makes it so hard for like,
even though there's more opportunities I think technically on paper
in TV for um for marginalized creators than in movies,
it's way easier to like short change and disappear that
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same media. Like why isn't Rutherford Falls getting a third
fucking season? Are you joking? Like it's ridiculous and it
makes me um piste off obviously, but there is so
much to love about what's on TV right now, and
I really I don't know and that, but but there's
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like sorry, I'm like, she's still going. There's also tropes
within like Prestige TV right now, that's kind of exhausting
to where it's like, you know, I know that a lot.
I mean I watched some of them. I'm Succession fan
number one. I've got my Waistar Roy co hat in
the other room, don't you forget it. I had hot
(22:32):
coffee this morning out of my we here for you
mug um. Yeah. Like I but there are so many
shows right now about rich people being bad and then
but then the the underlying message is like capitalism bad.
But isn't it kind of sick to watch? And like
I think that's I don't know if that started with Succession,
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but like Succession is so fucking good that I feel
like that is a huge trend right now. That kind
of I feel like it's like, well, it's technically anti
capitalist because we're making fun of rich people, so we
should be able to just do this and then we
could still have all white, rich traditionally hot casts and
it's like, well you can do that, and sometimes I
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will watch it, but like you know, clocked, I see it. Um,
So yeah, I think that that is. I think people
should watch what we do in the Shadows and p
Valley and succession, and that's what I have to say
about it. Also stopped making really boring true crime adaptations.
(23:41):
Enough enough, I should have played Elizabeth Holmes. Okay, yeah,
I agree, and that's my problem. All right, UM, Sorry
that was I hope that answered the question. UM. Also animation,
look at look at how animation is unionized. And when
I say that, I mean it's not unionized. A fun
fact about animation writers, they are not allowed in the
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w g A. Why we durable not that they're not allowed,
but like very few animated shows are. I've been working
in TV for five years and I'm not in the
w g A because I work at animation ridiculous. So
there's a lot of like evil shit afoot, and it's
it's good to know about. Um if you're a media consumer,
it's depressing to know about. But it's interesting in a way,
(24:26):
especially if it doesn't affect your health insurance. So let's
take another question. This one is from Deirdre, but we
got similar questions from several different matrons. Are there any
movies that you absolutely will not cover even if they
are requested by listeners, whether it's because they are so bad,
treat marginalized people, so poorly or wouldn't lead to much discussion.
(24:46):
I want to know which titles are in the Bechtel
cast trash bin Oh. I was thinking about this, and
I don't know if there's any movie that is completely
off limits to me. There are some that I think, wait, well, okay,
so I will maybe protest and be like, I don't
(25:06):
want to cover Hereditary But I said the same thing.
But I said the same thing about Midsummer and we
covered that on the Matreon. Yeah, I've definitely covered movies
I wasn't stoked about, but like, I feel like that
usually makes for a pretty interesting episode. It's true. Um, yeah,
I mean there are definitely movies that I am not
thrilled about or that I don't want to rewatch because
(25:29):
they made me feel horrible the first time. But I
think that that just means that, yeah, it'll inspire an
interesting conversation and yeah, and it's our duty to cover it. Then.
I actually I'm looking at the next question, which feels
should we just roll in this next question because I
(25:50):
feel like it's relevant. The next question is from Oliver.
Is there still an embargo on covering Master of Disguise?
I would say I don't really want to cover that
movie at this point because it's like I feel like
that's an I don't know, like how to category. I mean,
I guess it's a lot of comedy movies honestly that
are aging poorly. But like, I think that people developed
an ironic appreciation for that movie, myself included back in
(26:13):
the day. But when you watch it on becteal cast terms,
it's like so unforgivably bad that like I don't even
want to really give it air time. Like it's like
Dana Carvey appears in Brown Face, Like it's a funked
up movie. And I think that there are certain things
that like can provoke interesting discussions, And then I feel
like there's other movies that it's like, oh, we're just
(26:35):
you know, kind of digging this movie up from the
grave to point out how bad it is, which I
feel like it's like not a productive something. Yeah, something
like Master of Disguise, which has no legacy to speak of.
It's not as though people are still like I ride
or die for Master of Disguise. I think it's they're
(26:57):
out there. I think it's important to have conversations about
movies that include really awful stuff like just you know,
horrible racism and homophobia and transphobia and things like that.
But that I think is more important to do for
movies that still are like in the cultural zeitgeist, the
(27:20):
daily zeitgeist. Maybe it's yeah, where it doesn't make sense
to do that for a movie that no one remembers,
such as Master of Disguise, right, I mean, I guess
I could be talked out of it because I know
that like a lot of kids around our age saw
that movie like and so it could be interesting to
(27:40):
go back and be like, look at the like horrific
slop we were forced to consume and say thank you.
M Also, the name Pistachio disguise E is funny, so
that's comedy. But I mean, I don't know that's an
example of something that I would be I feel like
we would. There are movies that we've had discussions before
we've decided to come for it to be like is
this like useful, is it funny? Like or what you know,
(28:05):
figuring out where those lines are? Okay, pitch, what if
we do a Matreon month it's Master of Disguise and
the Master or Master and Commander. Wow, so many Masters?
I can't think of any others but food for thought.
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And I think outside of that, the only movies that like.
If there's like movies that you're like, why haven't they
covered that? And it seems like we would, it's probably
just because we know someone involved and like it. I
just don't want I just don't want to feel weird.
So if you're for wondering, that's likely. If it's a
more recent movie, it's likely. Why. Yeah, again, we're very
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popular and we know so many people. Yes, the Madam's
of Hollywood over here. Wow. Okay, so our next question
comes from Katie asks. I loved your discussion in the
Good Fellows episode of movies that you didn't care to
watch because of the way people i e. Men talked
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to you about them, And I immediately thought of Fight Club,
which I recently finally watched and hated. But would love
to know what other movies fall into this category for
you all, and what of those movies have you seen
and think are definitely worth watching? I have some thoughts. Okay,
(29:34):
this well, this is a little This is tricky for
me because of my already extremely dude bro taste in movies,
which is like, you don't need to. I feel like
you've apologized for it in the past, where it's like
you are who you argue that that's thank you. So
point being, I've already seen many of the movies that
(29:56):
men will try to insist that I need to see,
and I'm like, bitch, I've already seen that, and I
hate it. Um Because there are many that I have
that I've seen and that I hate so deeply. We've
covered some of them, but um Leon the Professional is
one that jumps to mind. I hate it so much.
(30:17):
Blade Runner, Yeah, I don't see the appeal the movie.
Heat Men are like heat Rocks, and I'm like, it's
so boring though a lot of like I mean, I
think that there's like, I don't know, like good Fellas.
I enjoyed that discussion because we were like good Fellas
heads and we also liked The Godfather. If you're not
(30:40):
on the fucking Matreon and you've been yelled at us
for years, we liked both those damn movies. We like
good Fellas better. Yeah, and we're right about that, but
that is the correct answer. Yes, But yeah, I feel
like there's like I'm trying to think of like a
dude bro movie that I avoided for a long time
that I'm on this list called men's gear dot Net. Uh,
(31:02):
I think that is it is kind of an interesting
thing where it's like fight club. I think we talked
about this back in the day. I also like, I
want to go back to that episode someday because I
feel like there's things that like. Because we did it
as a live show for some reason, we couldn't get
to everything, and I feel like I had more nuanced thoughts,
but was um kind of self editing because we have
to do an entertaining live show on top of having
(31:24):
a very complicated discussion, which is why our live shows
pluging our tour are now basically fun popcorny movie they're
goofy movies, such as a goofy movie. Um, I can't
really think of any I think that, like honestly, all
my opinions are right. So actually, actually, Big Lebowski was
a movie that I avoided for a long time, and
(31:46):
I uh, it's a classic. It's awesome. Um, and I
resent that I was kept away from it. Yeah, yeah,
I wrote down that one. I think. I mean film
bros love the Cohen Brothers, and I think and I'm
a big fan as well. I like they're the best many,
if not most, of their films. Um, big Lebowski probably
(32:08):
being my favorite of them. Um. I would say a
couple of Tarantino movies are also ones that I think
are worth watching if you avoid Tarantino because of film
bros Telling you you gotta see their movies. Although honestly,
I think it's mostly just Kill Bill. I really love
Kill Bill. Yeah, I love kill but others I hate.
(32:30):
I hated The Hateful Eight. I think that's a kind
of common opinion, though I think that that's like people
are like, that's his worst one. Yeah, So I'm not
like saying anything profound here. Although I watched and I
was on a plane, so I was I was the
snake on the plane. But I I rewatched and Glorious
Bastards I hadn't seen since high school. I like, that's
(32:52):
a pretty good movie. I really liked that one. I
think holds up. On the other hand, once upon a
time in Hollywood, we didn't lose one of my least
favorite movies. I saw that year, so I have to
rewatch it. But I did not like it when it
came out. Um, a couple of others I would say
are worth watching Our Speed and Point Break, And while
(33:14):
they are both copaganda, they are fun romps and Keanu
Reeves is in them and he's a national treasure, so
he and national treasure although no one kept us from
no one kept us from National Treasure. Um. And then
my final one that we talked about in Good Fellas,
because I just am like, I guess I've always been
(33:35):
a fan of Martin Scorsese movies, but now I'm like,
maybe this could be my personality for a while. But
Wolf of Wall Street one of my favorite movies ever.
I feel like such a good capitalism critique. It's fun
to watch and everyone's good in it. Um. But but um,
you know, there's a certain contingency that take away the
wrong message and spoil it for people. But I think
(33:57):
it's um it's one of my favs, thing with American Psycho,
which we discussed on that episode from a while back.
But yeah, it's it's always a matter of like, because
some of these movies are satire or have biting commentary,
but often the wrong message is taken away or the
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satire isn't very clear to begin with, so or it's
like poorly adapted which I think is like I don't
remember if we really talked about that in the fight
Club episode, but I think that, yeah, like it kind
of like pings my brain for like how Lolita has
been adapted over the years, where like in the source material,
I think the morality that the writer is trying to
(34:41):
get across is very clear, but the adaptations lack that,
and I feel like the fight Club kind of falls
into that category in some ways. Yeah, I don't have
nuance thoughts on it at the moment, but um, yeah,
I'd be interested to kind of explore that idea more.
Thank you, Katie, You've opened my mind, You've opened my heart.
(35:03):
Two movies by men. Um, let's take another break and
then come back and answer a few more questions. We
are back, and I think it's time to answer some
(35:24):
super fun questions. Yeah, fun ones. First ones from Melanie.
What episode is gregg in from? I've listened to every episode.
I can't remember the origin. Well, Melanie from YouTube dot
com from we did not make it up? We did
not make it up. It is from a YouTube video
(35:46):
entitled It's Not Even. If you search the word gregnt,
this video will come up. But the video is called
how is Prangent Formed? Like? Can we listen to it
together right now? It's so funny. So what it is?
It's it's like a bunch of like frantically typed typo
(36:08):
written um like answer websites like Cora and Yahoo Answers
and stuff like that. It's just clearly like people who
think that they are pregnant, frantically asking a question on
the Internet and not checking their spelling, and it's just
the urgency of these typos. It's very funny. It's very yes.
So that's where gregnant is from. We first mention it
(36:29):
on the episode on the Rock with Miles Gray. So
it's because you and Miles knew about this video already
and you were you were giggling about Gregnant, and I
was like, what do you guys? Because I hadn't seen
the video at that point, and so you were in
on the joke. I was not. But now hopefully everyone's
(36:54):
in on the joke. We encourage you to watch this
YouTube video How is Prangent Formed? A k a. The
Gregnant video? Kind of an Internet classic. It's fun and
and now full fucking circle Miles and his partner there,
So there you go. Wow, I know and should send
(37:18):
I'm sorry and congregulations to them. We should really send
a onesie that says Greg. Yes, absolutely, whatever comes out
that baby is Greg exactly. Um. Our next question comes
from Forest. I'm so excited I get to read this one. Okay,
(37:40):
Forest says, bellow bellow for bellow to you two? Forest,
who is the most shreky in character in Titanic? And whomp?
Would the Minions hitch their banana wagon two on the Titanic?
(38:00):
And then Forest says, sorry, if these questions have already
been answered, which is I really hope that there's sincere
in saying that, because it's not out of the question
that this would have come up on this true, Well,
it would have to be um Bruce, Okay, So I
think the Minions would would work for Bruce is may
(38:20):
or the iceberg. Okay, now we're talking because, as we've
discussed in past Minions episodes, it's minions cannon to avoid
historical monsters in historically recent memory that the that the
minions were frozen. They were were not frozen, but they
lived in the Arctic in a cave from like most
of the nineteenth century until the nineteen sixties. To avoid
(38:43):
a lot of horrible things. Um, they're like, well, the
minions weren't involved with that because they were in the
Arctic Circle at that time. They were busy with ice,
so they get ice, they know ice. They ice each other.
Probably remember when we used to ice each other and
drink spear enough ices aristotles a simpler time. Wow, And
(39:07):
that was also the Mike's Hard Lemonade era. It really was.
We've gone through We've gone through so many phases of
this show. We've grown up to. I know, we've really
grown up together. I think it's nice. I'm drinking a
saltzer right now. Are you joking? I'm drinking would never
drink water. Oh my god, that's just because I'm sick.
(39:31):
But I was like, I'm glad we are hydrating more healthfully.
But okay, so I think I think the iceberg is
an excellent answer, and let's go with that. Is May
is a coward, and like the minions don't really vibe
with that. They work for dinosaurs and grew. So I
would say probably the iceberg is the right answer. As
(39:53):
for Shreky in that here here's my thinking. Okay, I
think cal Hockley gives off some intense lord far Quad
vibes he is, Yes, yes, he is very far quad. Yes.
But also I think Molly Brown it feels very shreky
(40:15):
in to me. I feel like Fabrizio has some shreky
in qualities due to his fake exaggerated accent. Um, and
how shreki in is that Mike Meyer is certainly not Scottish,
you know, certainly not, so there's that um. And then
also I mean Rose Dowippycator, Fiona both kind of feisty redheads,
(40:37):
you know, so that is a bit shreky in, very shreky.
And I think Shrek and Fiona of different classes rich girl,
poor guy shreky exactly makes you think holy crap. Basically,
Shrek is an adaptation of Titanic. Are they ever on
a boat? Is there a dragon and Titanic? Is there
(41:00):
a donkey and Titanic? Yes? Yes and yes. Trying to
bear this out, it's Pinocchio and Titanic. Um, I think
there are enough. Yeah. I think Molly Brown definitely shreky
and energy. I think the more exaggerated Titanic characters could
very easily be in track, which is many of them.
It's a very yeah. What's the what TV network. Their
(41:22):
tagline is something like we know characters, or like you're
mixing up TVs and t N t Kalin. It's characters welcome,
that's TBS. We know drama, that's TNT. Oh my god,
Oh good grief. Okay, so I guess I mean both
apply to Titanic. Titanic nose drama and characters are welcome
(41:45):
on the Titanic. We're holding two truths here. We've got
TVs and TNT energy. Goodness, it's Titanic. I've a Titanic
is on t ANT all the damn time, for sure.
I would say that. Yeah, I would say Jack not
very shreky in, but the dynamic between Jack and Rose
has Shrek vibes to it. I feel like Rose do
(42:08):
Itplicator is in a tower of the mind, I mean
cerebral tower. She talks about how she's trapped in a
metaphorical prison. The whole love triangle honestly is shreky in.
Titanic is a very shreky in movie, is what we're
concluding it is. It is, And the minions would work
for the Iceberg, which is so funny. Oh can I
(42:31):
read a text? I had a text exchange with my
mom yesterday. That made me laugh so much because it's
the end of the year. Uh and my my mom's
second grade teacher reminder listeners. And I also, Minion piled
her so hard this year that she's like, there's there's
something going on in her head. It's not quite right.
She had never seen a Minion movie. Took her to
see Rise of gru in Orlando over the summer, and
(42:53):
she's a new woman. She's got a new lease on life.
So all her kids now are and she knows that
Kevin's my faith. So she had her kids draw me
some Christmas Kevin's here's one. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
I know second graders know how to draw Kevin. He's
their friend. But then she texted me, I told my
(43:14):
kids this morning that you want to marry Kevin. Ha ha,
And for the record, had not said, but I replied,
I do. He's a compassionate leader. And she said exactly,
We're Minion felt so hard. I love it, and her
one of her students got her Kevin chia pet. But
(43:36):
oh wait, do they have hippi have little strands of hair?
But they're not hippie. Kevin planted Okay, We're gonna have
to post some of these photos to them. It's so
the minions, you know, Happy holidays to to them. Well,
speaking of the minions, our next question, Oh yeah, that
(43:58):
doesn't um take it away, Jamie. Oh, this is a
question from Kelly favorite things you watched in two movies,
TV docs, whatever? Also at least favorite. Um, Everything Everywhere
is probably my favorite movie of the years. Same but
but you got Rise of Group coming in hot right
behind it. That's what I'm saying. That's why I saw
(44:20):
Everything Everywhere three times in theaters. I saw a Group
two times in theaters, but in two states, which I
feel like isn't nothing. That's effort. It took. You got
to put an effort for that, and I sawed it. Wait,
I sawed at both city walks that's fucked up in
Los Angeles and in Orlando. No kidding, I go to
(44:40):
the Manon's house to watch that damn movie. Yeah. Those
are my top two. Nice I will add to that,
are are Are? Which kind of going back to the
very first question, we answered as far as like perspective
on film in general, if that has changed? Um, because
(45:01):
the movie are are Are? While a flawless masterpiece. Um.
If we were to cover it on the Backtel cast
up well on the conversation about you know, the characterization
of women in the movie, UM would be it's it's laughable,
it's not very um And yet I love the movie
(45:22):
so so much. It's complicated at the point being sometimes
I just have to like take off my back dol
goggles and I can still enjoy a movie. Sometimes I
put them back on. You know, it's all about and honestly,
like we've talked about this before, but if we're just
like going to the movies to watch a movie, we
(45:44):
don't necessary at least I don't want to speak for you, Jamie,
but I don't necessarily have my back dol goggles on
or not in the same way that I would when
I'm like unless it's like egregious, Like if it's egregious,
then exactly can't not. But yeah, no, I I agree
sometimes you just I think, honestly, the most this is
not one of my favorite movies of the year by
(46:04):
a long shot, but one of my favorite pieces of
media this year is the Harry Stytles quote. I feel
like it's so useful. It's the movie feels like like
a movie movie and sometimes and now to transition into
Nicole kidman and we need that, all of all of us,
that indescribable feeling we get when the lights begin to
(46:25):
dim and we go somewhere. Oh damn again, it's okay.
I think I'm gonna know the whole thing. Other movies
I really liked this year, Turning Red and Pray, both bangers.
Both have seen in multiple times. The Woman King I loved.
I still haven't seen it. Oh you gotta see The
Woman King. Another one of my favorites was Marcel the
(46:48):
Shell with Shoes On. I still haven't seen it. I
gotta say, you little movie. At the time of this recording,
we have yet to see Puss in Boots, but I
think it's going to one of my favorite movies of
the year. And talk about a shreky In movie, Oh,
I I mean harder to get shreky in the net
unless it's Shrek five, which I can't fucking wait for.
(47:10):
Uh there's I'm looking at my AMC history so a
documentary I really loved this year, and I think it
will probably. I think it's like it's like made the
Oscars short lists and stuff. But it made me cry.
We talked about it on the Matreon because there was
a guy behind me who was really rude about it.
But I was crying, cry, crying fire of love about
two vulcanologists who are married and spoiler alert, they tell
(47:31):
you in the trailer they die in a volcano. Um
But it's a really beautiful story and I would recommend
watching it. I saw Nope twice. I had a good
time at Nope. And then also, this is not a
movie from this year, but I saw ET in IMEX
this year and it was I was crying so much.
It's such a I feel like I didn't really have
(47:54):
I think this is like a micro generational thing too,
but like I didn't have a ton of excite ment
and love for ET as a kid, but watching it
as an adult, oh boy, I really love it and
it it delivered. I also enjoyed Crimes of the Future
because I love body horror. Um. Oh, I didn't see
that one, but every time I hear the title of
(48:16):
that movie, I'm reminded of another movie called Needle in
a Time Stack. Do you remember this? Oh? Yes, we
had a hell of it time with Needle and a
Time Stack. Did that movie come out do we know.
I think so, but it was a blip because I
and and speaking of amazing incredible movies that are awesome
(48:38):
and perfect, Moonfall was one of my favorite movies of
last year. Not because it's good, because it wasn't. But
if you just want to watch a I Frankenstein level
terrible movie, Moonfall is one to watch. You know what
I liked. I liked Scream five. I liked five Cream.
(48:58):
I thought that was a fun one. I'm trying to
spread the love around genres. Sure, Barbarian I thought was
pretty fun. We had some notes for it, but I
thought Morbarian was like a really yeah, like a really
well done movie. I saw it twice. Enjoyed Bodies Bodies, Bodies.
I enjoyed UM. I wasn't wild about X, but I
(49:21):
did enjoy Pearl a lot. Sure, I didn't see either
of them. I had had a fun time. I will
see the third one. As far as TV, we mentioned
a few shows the Rock and Roll Abbott, Elementary, Rutherford Falls,
also Reservation Dogs. I'll add to that list. Um. One
of my favorite shows that came out I think this
(49:43):
year is We Are Lady Parts. Watched it people that
it's so good. I highly recommend everyone check out We
Are Lady Parts. It's about a group of women in
the UK, all Muslim women who are in a punk
band and it's awesome. I gotta watch it. I've been
(50:05):
enjoying the sex lives of college girls. Oh, I gotta
watch that's a fun one. Um, I haven't been. I'm
kind of behind on TV right now, honestly, but there
was one. I mean, I I always stay up on
what we do in the Shadows. Always a classic, always delivers,
and you know, just for no reason, Like, there's some
(50:26):
really good TV shows coming out next year, and I'm
just going to throw out a couple of titles. Um,
the fourth season of Star Trek Lower Decks is supposed
to be like really amazing, and it's actually a really
good show. And if you are not into Star Trek
or like don't have a working knowledge and you're nervous
about getting into the Star Trek Expanded universe, it's kind
(50:48):
of a great show to start with. It's an adult
animated comedy. But I guess that that's all I can
really say about it. But I just like the first
few seasons are good, but I just like think that
the fourth season, something's gonna change, it's gonna be really special.
I want if it's because like a writer joins the
writer's room and really like elevates the show the particular writer.
I would not say that I did that, but I
(51:09):
had a really good time. You should watch it and
Teenage Us in Asia. I just like love that room
so much, and it's created and written by majority women,
and it's so fun and you'll have you'll have a
great time. It's on I think it's on HBO Max
because it's an adult swimshow. Wow. As far as my
(51:32):
least favorite things of this year, No Offense Till thor
Love and Thunder, but I thought that was a turd.
I didn't see it. I didn't have fun at any
Marvel movies this year. I was like, I'm excited for
the New ant Man movie. I am genuinely excited for
that because Michelle Fibers in it. Yeah, like the cast
(51:53):
Rocks and Jeff Loveness wrote the movie and he's so funny,
and I'm like, I believe in the New ant Man movie.
I didn't have a great year with Marvel movies this year.
I love like Sam Ramy directed the best movie of
all time Spider Man too, but doctor Strange just like
I was confused, I was tired. I was like, oh god,
there's a lot of space rocks like you know, also
(52:15):
Jurassic World dominions. If they had just had the courage
to do that. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to Sarah
Marshall was like, it's just like never ceases to amaze
me that the last Jurassic Park movie is mainly about
locusts and not dinosaurs. Wild. I didn't see it was
such a turd um. Yeah, so those are the ones
(52:39):
at the bottom of my list. I saw MORBs as
a joke. It wasn't worth it. Jared Letto was like
Jared Letto was genuinely a criminalis bad person And then
a movie I was let down by from a director
I like, and I'm excited for his nose for out too,
but I didn't. I didn't like The Northman. It didn't
do anything for me me either. I thought it was
too violent. Whoa mom. That wasn't my I just thought
(53:05):
it was like boring, and like Roberts is like not
a boring filmmaker. So I was just kind of like
they made the Vivich. He made the Vivich. He made
the lighthouse. He makes like wild movies. So I don't know.
And I enjoyed Bandtrees of Inn Sharon. I think I'm
gonna think I'll say it a second time. Band Trees
(53:25):
of Ed Sheeran. Yeah, that was one of the ones
I liked. It made me want to go back to
Ireland to visit my family. Oh my god, wait, I
have a wild As we're winding down this episode, I
have the weirdest story. I don't know if I told you,
I tell you about the guy I met at the
airport in Alaska who was like, we're related. No. So
(53:46):
I was in the airport and I called up to
the desk for some seating things. So they said my
full name and I was walking back and then there
was like an Irish guy and he was like, I
can't do an Irish accent. I was about to go Australian.
He was like, is your last name Loftis? I was
like yeah, and he's like, my last name is Loftis
and he's Irish and you know, I'm mostly Irish and
(54:08):
I was like, oh, that's so wild. And he's like,
you know, fifteen years older than me. And I was like, Oh,
we're just having a conversation here. He's telling me about himself.
I'm telling him about myself. The people at the desk,
the Delta desk, they're loving it. They're like this is
so interesting and like, yeah it is. This is actually awesome.
And he's like, oh we should. Like he said like
(54:28):
Loftus is a rare last name, which I have since checked.
I don't think that's actually true. Um, but I was
like he's from Ireland. I believe him, which is a
weird instinct also, but I was just like he's like
we might be distantly related, like give me your number
and like I will blah blah blah blah blah. And
then anyways, get on the plane. He immediately starts to
(54:49):
texting me so much and then makes a joke about
like what if we had sex, And I was like,
never give a man your phone number, Jamie, wait, what
what was the text? I received? And now like I
haven't blocked his number because I love to choose violence.
But he was going to Ireland and like I talked
(55:11):
to my dad for a couple like literally two minutes
and he's like, yeah, we're definitely not related to that guy.
But glad you enjoyed the airport. So he was like, hey,
we're probably related. Should we have sex? That really that
is exactly what he was like, because okay, wait no,
(55:31):
I'm just gonna read the text. Um, this is a
few texts down. It starts very friendly. He's like, so
cool to meet you, blah blah blah. I was like, yeah,
that was really awesome, enjoy enjoy the flight. And he's like,
there's a seat next to me. And I didn't reply um,
but then he said, you have the culture in you.
You are female version of me, less facial hair, and
I was like, m texts are getting weird, but I
(55:52):
reply just a little ha ha. The Loftiest brand is
strong trying to keep things friendly. He replies, would make
an awkward morning after waking up in same bed than
asking names dot dot dot incest l O L. He
immediately applies l O L again. He replies again, how
cool to meet you. I'm so happy. It's like, okay,
(56:14):
I bet his name isn't even loftist. He just like
goes up to people and like uses that as a
pickup line and then I don't. It's like an excuse
to get numbers from women. I don't know. I mean
he has been WhatsApp messaging me pictures of horses in
Ireland for weeks. It's like it's the kind of thing
(56:37):
where it's like, it's not that joke was I should
have blocked him, but I am choosing violence. I'm like,
I wonder how many pictures of horses I'm going to
get um and then if there's a dick pick, then
I'll block him. Okay. I wouldn't recommend this approach for
literally anyone else or really myself, but when I saw
I was like fancies in shared, which is like it
(57:01):
isn't but I was like Irish accent. Anyways, it made
me want to visit Ireland. And then meeting that guy
maybe not want to visit Ireland. So I kind of
been on this whole challenging journey with my homelands. What
a roller coaster, you know. The final question, um a
lot of people wanted to know was what movies are
(57:22):
we most excited for coming out? In Barbie Barbie and
and a lot of people mentioned Barbie. Um, my most
anticipated is Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. Yes, yes,
very excited for that. Cocaine Bear is right there at
the top of my list. Elizabeth Banks is about to
sweep the Oscars. I'm excited for the new Magic Mike,
(57:47):
Magic Mike's Last Ants. I am excited for Aunt Man.
That'll be fun. Uh huh um mad Max the Wasteland.
I believe it's slated to come out in Oh Wow.
I an't excited for that Cocaine Bear. Oh speaking of
scary bears, not Paddington. I don't know when Paddington three
is coming out, and it better not be before I
(58:08):
get cast in it. But Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey,
I'm pretty excited for. I'm not excited for that. I
can't even really describe why my body rejects that concept.
I'm seeing it and you're like, fuck, you have seen Megan.
We have to Oh my god, we will be seeing Megan.
(58:29):
Wh'ere to start the year strong with Megan? I feel
like that's actually a strong um madrean contender, Like, yeah,
I want to see Wonka only because I think it's
going to be horrible. What if Wonka is good? But
like there's no way, but what if it's are we
going to have to cover Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
factory when that comes out, perhaps perhaps we will. And
(58:51):
I'm excited for the new scream because I'm just like,
I'm back, I'm back, I'm in six six cream, six cream. Yeah,
they should just stylize there's five cream and others six
crew and now let's add another cream on the pile
while we're at it. I think those are the ones
that I'm generally excited for it. But I am, I've
really I'm I'm Barbie puilt, I'm really excited for Did
(59:12):
you see the teaser trailer? I don't actually think I've
seen it yet. I've seen a lot of the like
onset photos the teaser trailer. I like, need to watch
it again. But I'm like, oh, she's she's doing something here.
It's not just Barbie and Ken. She's doing what is
she up to? And then you're just like, you know,
Searcher running women, women women. So I am, I'm really
(59:37):
interested to see that. I'm sure there's ore's there's like
independent releases that I am a d for Brady obviously,
Oh my god. But yes, the Horny Jane Fonda movie, Yes,
I will see that. Obviously, I always see the Horny
I got, I got kicked out of book Club. I
got funked up at book Club and I was cheering
too much. The only time I've ever been kicked out
(59:59):
of a movie. Yeah, you were there. You're not comfortable.
Oh god, it's a simpler time. Yeah. Well, so that
concludes our Q and a episode for this year. Thank
you listeners for all your support, and I would hey, hey, hey,
now hey, you asked us questions. I'd like to ask
(01:00:20):
you a question, which is, what would you like to
hear from us? What movies that we haven't already covered
would you like us to cover? What suggestions might you
have for guests that you'd like us to have on
the show? Things like that. Yes, so, well, we can
link to the request form in the description. We're always
(01:00:43):
looking to to hear from you. We love you, and
um I'm really looking forward to we have some we
have some fun plans in store for you this year.
We're starting the year with our tour um So, if
you made it to the to the episode neilive on
the West Coast, We've still got tickets available in dwindling numbers.
(01:01:05):
I might add in Los Angeles on January we're doing
a Goofy movie then We're going up to San Francisco
on February first to do George of the Jungle, and
then we're going up to Portland's Oregon on the second,
doing two shows. One is The Goonies with Sarah Marshall,
the second is a mystery show with a mystery guest.
And then February five, we're gonna be up in Seattle,
(01:01:28):
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You're gonna want to go. And you can find tickets
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Oh God covering look the two Pinocchios from Bockle the
fuck in. It's gonna be bloody, it's gonna be brutal.
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Caitlin and my friendship might faull apart, might not survive
because what you don't know is that Caitlin and I
have both been drafted and not to the same side
of the war. Wow, yeah, my goodness. Yeah, so stay
tuned a bit of R R R energy, yeah in
(01:02:32):
this war, but our friendship may say, hey, win the day.
Oh my gosh. And if you haven't seen R R R,
you gotta watch it. But anyway, thank you for listening
and we'll be back next week with a regularly scheduled programming. Wait,
let's on the back dock. Okay, um, as as as
(01:02:55):
my husband Kevin would say, poopie, poopie below and poopie
that's famous Beatles song. Okay, bye bye,
On the beck Doll Cast, the questions asked if movies
have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends
and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy? Zef
invest start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hello,
Becdel Cast listeners. Oh my god, I almost just like,
for some reason, I was going to start singing that
(00:22):
being the song. I was like, Okay, we've did our countdown.
We're like one, two, three, four or five past. Oh wow,
if we did that, that would be actually really fucked up.
If we did that. Well, look, my voice, as you
might be able to tell listeners, is it doesn't sound
quite like myself. I'm a little sick at the moment. Sick.
(00:45):
Oh sexy, what stop it? Sorry, you're gonna refort me
to hrfort me to Jack O'Brien, I dare you? Um,
what I'm saying is I don't know how that will
affect my amazing, beautiful, perfect singing voice being sick. So
it's true, So we better not. But what we are
(01:08):
going to do today is answer some questions in a
Q and I episode, which we've done in the past.
It's kind of become a yearly tradition that we kick
off the new year with a Q and I episode
answering questions that our matrons have submitted. So thank you
to all the matrons who submitted a question. Yeah, we're
(01:30):
not going to have time to answer all of them
because we're so popular and we've got so many questions.
Sorry everybody, but but um we're gonna answer a few
of them. And that's how we kick off. I love
our Q and A episode. It's it's a time of traditions,
you know. We we released our Grace Freud episode on
(01:54):
the Santa Clauses. Is that Grace at the show last
night and we were really reflecting on how we are
going to be doing a fifth one of those episodes.
It kind of like I can't believe the bone chilling
in a way. Um, but a lot of traditions, you know,
kind of like really hit you in the marrow of
your existence. Sure. Well, as we discussed on that episode,
(02:15):
we're not quite certain if this is a tradition or
a curse. So it's true. I mean, but I do
love um being cursed by things. It makes me happy.
It's reassuring at times, that's true. Yeah, it reminds you
that you're alive. It when you think about it. Doesn't
it though? Doesn't it though? I? Yeah, yeah, all right, um, okay,
(02:39):
shall we get into it? I was like, I guess
we don't really need to tell people what the Bachtel
test is today, Like it's this week, honey, look it up. Yeah.
Plus we are going to be passing it so much
in this by answering these questions, can we start with
just like, I just want to know. I'm like, I
just want to tell you something. I was like, how
(02:59):
can I make this a part of the show. I
just wanted to tell you something. I saw a ska
band last night, A ska band. I skanked. It was awesome.
It was so cool, and it was feminism. And you
know why why the vast majority of the horn section
were women? Oh no kidding. We had a woman on
the trump bone. We had a woman on the trumpet.
(03:20):
It was very thrilling. I am now really like, you know,
much like many things, I feel like Scott Scott is
going to make a comeback. You can really quote me
on that. I saw a cool ska band last night
and and and people were like, are you gonna skank
or what? And I was like, is that the verb
(03:42):
to wait, what does to skank mean? Oh, we're having
a moment um, it's uh skank. It's like the dance
well now I sound it's like the dance that Scott do. Um.
It's sort of just like really performative, low kicking um,
but you can do. You do it in the kind
of like a pit situation and it's just like a
(04:04):
bunch of friendly kicking and you know, the time registers
doing what it's doing. Okay, So like the Charlie Brown dance,
isn't that how the Peanuts characters. I don't know the
SKA community would feel about you saying that, Caitlin, but
I'm sorry, I'm sure that's very reductive. But it's not
unlike that. But it's more like intense. It's pretty fast,
(04:26):
but it is just kind of like bad dancing. But
like when people are into it, you're like, maybe this
is good. And I and I did that bit that
I have with the egg where I eat the egg familiar,
thank you so much. Listeners remain in the dark. Um.
But the guy brought up bassist in the SKA band,
so they're also allies to me doing the egg bit.
(04:50):
Ska is feminist and I just wanted to let you
know that. Okay, I'm glad to hear it, and then
can I tell you something? Yeah, of course, I don't
know if I'll follow through on this, but I think
in the new year I want to take a burlesque
class and then get into burlesque. That's so, that's amazing.
What if you did burlesque and I played the trombone,
(05:13):
we could do Oh, I could play for you. That
would be perfect. You could do rose do itpy cater burlesque,
and then I would play my Heart Will go On
on the trombone. Yes, that wouldn't be cursed. Wait, that's
so amazing. Are there classes like locally? I guess I
(05:35):
would imagine their I I think so, yeah, because I
don't know what I'm doing. I don't know how to
do burlesque, but it's an art for us, so I
have to learn. And so if anyone has any tips
on how to do burlesque or play the trombone, if
anyone's trying to get rid of a trombone, um, I'm
in the market for one. I feel like if I
have of trombone like around, at some point, I'm gonna
(05:59):
have to pick it up. You know like it's acquiring
the traumbone is half the battle, and then finding a
good traumba to you if you're a local l a trombonus.
I don't know if I'll stick with this, but it
was just so inspiring to um see so many women
in the SKA band. Anyways, Okay, queues and as here
we go, starting with a question from Alex. Hi. Alex asks,
(06:23):
y'all sometimes talk about how watching movies for the show
changes your perspective on them. Along similar lines, has doing
the show changed your perspective on films in general? If so,
in what ways? Oh? I would say for me, the
show has made me realize that so few movies are
(06:48):
ones that I could ever vouch for in terms of
does this hold up when looking at it through an
intersectional feminist lens? Because I think the average nipple skill
writing we give out is like one pull out of five.
Maybe too, I would say, maybe too, because we've we've
(07:12):
been covering like better movies as the show went on. Yeah,
we used to be strictly, strictly a hater. This used
to be strictly a hater zone, but grew up. But
I still love movies. I still I always have, I
always will. I don't think anything's ever gonna change that.
(07:33):
So even though nearly every movie ever made is a
disaster at least when it comes to intersexual feminism, it's
still a medium that I adore so and I don't
know what that says about me, but I'm always going
to love movies. Beautiful Yeah for me, I like it
(07:57):
definitely has changed my perspective, but even like a life,
like even throughout the course of the show, it has
changed my perspective in like more nuanced ways as things
went on, because as as fun as it always will
be to be like, yeah, this is just like not good.
This is like a hateful use of media. But as
(08:18):
time goes on, you know, and and we cover movies
that have like more kind of shape, Like I guess,
it's been interesting too. Now I feel like I approached
like you, there's like different ways to approach the movie,
and in some ways you can appreciate it more and
in other ways, like it is not as fun of
a watch, like I guess, I used to watch movies
on one setting, but now I have like an appreciation
(08:40):
for being able to like watch movies on more than
one setting, and and had that be okay, you know,
because it used to I feel like I used to
be like movie good or movie bad, and it's like, well,
there's a lot of different ways, and you know, everyone
is their own person. Some movies are just like straight
up sucking bad. But I've enjoyed kind of like training
(09:01):
myself to like seek out context and like try to
understand a little better if a movie is like challenging
me and not just like clearly shitty or clearly amazing,
to kind of like seek out more context and figure
out like what time was this coming out in, Like
where was the writer and the filmmaker coming from, and
(09:22):
like how does that kind of And I feel like
on our show that's kind of like skewed us in
both directions towards a movie where there's like some movies
were giving the benefit of the doubt, and then we
learn more about it, we're like, oh no, we were
being too nice, never again, and then other times, um
the opposite, we're like, Okay, clearly this like missed, but
the attempt was at least somewhat sincere or whatever. And
(09:46):
I think it's also changed the way that I write,
hopefully for the better. I think for the better. UM,
and just like the way that I approach characters, and
it's nice to kind of have the Bechdel track in
your head to make sure that you're giving everyone the
space they need in the story. That's my answer, Alex, Yes, M,
(10:09):
thanks for asking it. Our next question comes from Catherine High. Catherine, UM,
A lot of movies lately are experimenting with subverting tired
old movie tropes. Are y'all noticing any of these recent
tropes of versions that are becoming tropes of their own? Um?
One comes to mind right away, which is like forced
(10:32):
villain Redemption arc. Don't like it. Don't like I mean,
I don't even know how that how much that has
to do with feminism or intersectionality. I just don't like it.
And I miss pushing the villain off of a cliff,
which I know before, but actually it does connect to
the episode that came out last week on the Santa Clauses,
where I feel like it's become I think especially in
(10:53):
Disney properties, but kind of across media in general, like
it's become so normalized to be like I get started
by coming from a sincere place. I'm trying to think of,
like what big movie would have kicked this off, but
like coming at a villain character with empathy, it might
have been even like Wicked or something like that. Like
coming at a classic villainous character with empathy and trying
(11:16):
to understand things from their point of view. I think
that that is like a sincere thing at the beginning,
but now it's just like I mean, in the Santa Clauses,
for example, you just have like a guy who's straight
up a bad guy. The cow Penn character is like
a Jeff Bezos villain, but the movie, but the movie
that whatever Avatar length miniseries is like doing fucking Olympic
(11:39):
gymnastics to try to like redeem him, because that's just
like what you do now. And I feel like it
can really like go the other way in a very
uncomfortable way. I don't know, Like there's movies where it's
super works, and then there's other movies where it just
feels like, oh, this is what we do now. So
I'm going to write a truly despicable horror character and
(12:01):
then just have everyone forgive them at the end, even
if they are like Jeff Bezos human rights abuse. Like
You're like, but we don't need to forgive that guy.
We just don't. There are some people we need to
forgive in movies, and I like that, but others not
as much. Right, I have complicated feelings about it because
I think that it's important that depending on the person
(12:26):
and their crimes, redemption like their crimes is a huge thing,
because it's like, you know, right, like the society would
be a better place. You just reminded me of what
Searchharonan saying women and little the My my cold is
(12:55):
affecting my cognitive functioning. But what I'm trying to say
is redemption is possible for some people, and I, like,
I don't know, I want to like create space for
people who, you know, if they if they do what
they need to do to redeem themselves and their and
their crimes aren't so heinous that they could possibly deserve redemption.
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Like that's a message that I think should be put
out into aforementioned society, especially in kids media, because there's
so many like tropes that villainized marginalized people in a
way that is like absolutely fucked up and needs to
be re examined. I think it's just like that as
(13:41):
a trope that also applies to like people who are
fucking capitalism ng the hell out, Like you're just like, yeah,
I struggle with it. Yeah, for sure, it's also kind
of boring. Another trope I've noticed is movies and TV
and media in general. Um, I mean, we have noticed
(14:01):
more diverse casts in terms of race, gender, sexuality, and
things like that, but because so much media is still
made by rich, powerful white men, it's clear that this
inclusion only is happening because these guys are tired of
(14:25):
people challenging them. So there's there is like more diversity,
but a lot of it isn't good or meaningful, or
it's clear that they didn't consult anyone about these characters. Oftentimes,
these characters are very flat, underdeveloped people who behave in
(14:47):
ways that make no sense, and they are just there
to like fill a quota more or less. Yeah, which
is like like I like, arguably worse. Like I mean, yeah,
I don't know, like the yardstick they're really but like
it's that's diabolical to do like higher talented people and
then be like, but I'm just doing this so people
(15:09):
leave me alone. It's like a fucking character do your job, man,
for sure. So yeah, I also find that frustrating. I
think we may be uh the gender swapped reboot maybe
on its on its dying legs. I think we may
really well and truly be done with it. Yes, what
I hope happens. In addition to like what we always
(15:31):
talk about with more movies, and I think in the
time this show, like you're just saying the time the
show's existed, there's been an increase in diverse storytelling and
it's been getting better. But I also hope that it's
like that makes way for more original storytelling to it
feels like it's kind of on the upswing. We got
(15:52):
her everything everywhere all at once, like we're chilling. It's good,
but like, I hope that that kind of keeps moving. Also, unrelated,
hope that, um that short movies come back. If short
that would say that is a trope that every movie
is three hours long now and I will allow it
(16:13):
when it's r R R, which I'll talk about later,
but why is every other movie so long? It's complicated
stopping even when movies I like are long, I'm like,
come on, um, Yeah, I hope that the eight seven
minute movie makes come back. Wouldn't that be cool? And
(16:35):
then then you could go to double features without like
your fucking organs rupturing. It would be cool. Um without
your intestines exploding. Call back to while you were sleeping, Oh,
Matreon head over, Yanna, listen to Sandra Boogs Boss talking
about his mother's organs exploding when she met his wife
(17:00):
was an amazing time for writing. Um. Yeah, I think
that I'm trying to think of other I think those
are maybe we'll think of more later. I know that
there's a bunch that are kind of prevalent right now.
I think it's like a lot of them boiled down
to people attempting more inclusion and diversity in storytelling and
(17:20):
not getting it quite right because they are like coming
from places of extreme privilege and aren't bothering to consult
or like hand the reins to someone else who can
tell those stories more meaningfully. So agree anyway, Um, let's
(17:44):
take a quick break and then come back for some
more questions and we're back. Next question comes from Jacqueline
asks do you feel like the era of Prestige TV
(18:05):
slash limited anthology series does a better job of representing
women and diverse voices on camera and do you have
theories as to why or why not? For example, I
think that the way streamers produce TV shows allow diverse
creators to make their art, and having longer character arts
in general seems to let women have more depth. These
(18:26):
points both have their negative counterpoint um and Yeah, I
think you're already touching on a lot of why this is.
And I I don't watch a ton of TV. I'm
definitely more of a movie person. But the nature of
TV just generally does allow for more in depth character development. However,
(18:52):
TV is still full of regressive tropes, maybe not as
many today. I do think that a lot of media
again is like trying to avoid that stuff, um, for
better or worse. And I also think that because TV
is ongoing, usually with multiple seasons, it gives creators and
(19:15):
writers a chance to course correct as the series goes
on m based on responses from fans usually, but it
always comes down to who is behind the camera, who's
in the writer's room, who's making these creative choices about characters. Yeah,
I have like a lot. I don't. I have a
(19:36):
lot of opinions on TV. I love TV. I've worked
in TV for five years now, brag Binkie, but mostly
in animation, but I feel like there's I agree with Jacqueline,
there is more, I think more diversity in general. Then
TV is also so fraud Like I think that there's
(19:58):
a lot of amazing shows that are uh from women
and people call her and queer people. There's there's simply
just more of them than there are in movies. But
because of how streaming works, it's so fraught, and I
feel like sometimes things just go away and it feels
like sometimes it's like, Okay, we'll give you one season,
and like the same problems kind of exist where you know,
(20:22):
like a show by you know, a notable white man,
even if it kind of sucks for one season, they'll
get a second season to find their voice and do
all this stuff and blah blah blah. Where like in movies,
and we talked about this a lot with with marginalised
directors of like if you have one movie that doesn't
(20:42):
do great financially or critically, you could be kind of done,
and like that also bears out in TV quite a bit.
But I do feel like there's a lot to be
excited about, like you know, absolutely Broken Record being like
Abbot elementary, but like for real abbot elementary, like it's
the fucking cool Like, it's the funniest show on TV. Um,
(21:04):
there's so many good shows at right now, but Okay,
a show that sticks out to me is like The
Gordita Chronicles, which was a really cute shell It was
really good. It was on HBO Max. It is a
Latin focused show and it's from Latin creators, but they
were only given one season and not only was the
show canceled, it's being pulled from HBO Max because of
(21:26):
all this evil corporate ship that's going on right now.
That makes it really really hard for because of how
streaming works, like, it makes it so hard for like,
even though there's more opportunities I think technically on paper
in TV for um for marginalized creators than in movies,
it's way easier to like short change and disappear that
(21:50):
same media. Like why isn't Rutherford Falls getting a third
fucking season? Are you joking? Like it's ridiculous and it
makes me um piste off obviously, but there is so
much to love about what's on TV right now, and
I really I don't know and that, but but there's
(22:12):
like sorry, I'm like, she's still going. There's also tropes
within like Prestige TV right now, that's kind of exhausting
to where it's like, you know, I know that a lot.
I mean I watched some of them. I'm Succession fan
number one. I've got my Waistar Roy co hat in
the other room, don't you forget it. I had hot
(22:32):
coffee this morning out of my we here for you
mug um. Yeah. Like I but there are so many
shows right now about rich people being bad and then
but then the the underlying message is like capitalism bad.
But isn't it kind of sick to watch? And like
I think that's I don't know if that started with Succession,
(22:53):
but like Succession is so fucking good that I feel
like that is a huge trend right now. That kind
of I feel like it's like, well, it's technically anti
capitalist because we're making fun of rich people, so we
should be able to just do this and then we
could still have all white, rich traditionally hot casts and
it's like, well you can do that, and sometimes I
(23:15):
will watch it, but like you know, clocked, I see it. Um,
So yeah, I think that that is. I think people
should watch what we do in the Shadows and p
Valley and succession, and that's what I have to say
about it. Also stopped making really boring true crime adaptations.
(23:41):
Enough enough, I should have played Elizabeth Holmes. Okay, yeah,
I agree, and that's my problem. All right, UM, Sorry
that was I hope that answered the question. UM. Also animation,
look at look at how animation is unionized. And when
I say that, I mean it's not unionized. A fun
fact about animation writers, they are not allowed in the
(24:03):
w g A. Why we durable not that they're not allowed,
but like very few animated shows are. I've been working
in TV for five years and I'm not in the
w g A because I work at animation ridiculous. So
there's a lot of like evil shit afoot, and it's
it's good to know about. Um if you're a media consumer,
it's depressing to know about. But it's interesting in a way,
(24:26):
especially if it doesn't affect your health insurance. So let's
take another question. This one is from Deirdre, but we
got similar questions from several different matrons. Are there any
movies that you absolutely will not cover even if they
are requested by listeners, whether it's because they are so bad,
treat marginalized people, so poorly or wouldn't lead to much discussion.
(24:46):
I want to know which titles are in the Bechtel
cast trash bin Oh. I was thinking about this, and
I don't know if there's any movie that is completely
off limits to me. There are some that I think, wait, well, okay,
so I will maybe protest and be like, I don't
(25:06):
want to cover Hereditary But I said the same thing.
But I said the same thing about Midsummer and we
covered that on the Matreon. Yeah, I've definitely covered movies
I wasn't stoked about, but like, I feel like that
usually makes for a pretty interesting episode. It's true. Um, yeah,
I mean there are definitely movies that I am not
thrilled about or that I don't want to rewatch because
(25:29):
they made me feel horrible the first time. But I
think that that just means that, yeah, it'll inspire an
interesting conversation and yeah, and it's our duty to cover it. Then.
I actually I'm looking at the next question, which feels
should we just roll in this next question because I
(25:50):
feel like it's relevant. The next question is from Oliver.
Is there still an embargo on covering Master of Disguise?
I would say I don't really want to cover that
movie at this point because it's like I feel like
that's an I don't know, like how to category. I mean,
I guess it's a lot of comedy movies honestly that
are aging poorly. But like, I think that people developed
an ironic appreciation for that movie, myself included back in
(26:13):
the day. But when you watch it on becteal cast terms,
it's like so unforgivably bad that like I don't even
want to really give it air time. Like it's like
Dana Carvey appears in Brown Face, Like it's a funked
up movie. And I think that there are certain things
that like can provoke interesting discussions, And then I feel
like there's other movies that it's like, oh, we're just
(26:35):
you know, kind of digging this movie up from the
grave to point out how bad it is, which I
feel like it's like not a productive something. Yeah, something
like Master of Disguise, which has no legacy to speak of.
It's not as though people are still like I ride
or die for Master of Disguise. I think it's they're
(26:57):
out there. I think it's important to have conversations about
movies that include really awful stuff like just you know,
horrible racism and homophobia and transphobia and things like that.
But that I think is more important to do for
movies that still are like in the cultural zeitgeist, the
(27:20):
daily zeitgeist. Maybe it's yeah, where it doesn't make sense
to do that for a movie that no one remembers,
such as Master of Disguise, right, I mean, I guess
I could be talked out of it because I know
that like a lot of kids around our age saw
that movie like and so it could be interesting to
(27:40):
go back and be like, look at the like horrific
slop we were forced to consume and say thank you.
M Also, the name Pistachio disguise E is funny, so
that's comedy. But I mean, I don't know that's an
example of something that I would be I feel like
we would. There are movies that we've had discussions before
we've decided to come for it to be like is
this like useful, is it funny? Like or what you know,
(28:05):
figuring out where those lines are? Okay, pitch, what if
we do a Matreon month it's Master of Disguise and
the Master or Master and Commander. Wow, so many Masters?
I can't think of any others but food for thought.
(28:27):
And I think outside of that, the only movies that like.
If there's like movies that you're like, why haven't they
covered that? And it seems like we would, it's probably
just because we know someone involved and like it. I
just don't want I just don't want to feel weird.
So if you're for wondering, that's likely. If it's a
more recent movie, it's likely. Why. Yeah, again, we're very
(28:49):
popular and we know so many people. Yes, the Madam's
of Hollywood over here. Wow. Okay, so our next question
comes from Katie asks. I loved your discussion in the
Good Fellows episode of movies that you didn't care to
watch because of the way people i e. Men talked
(29:10):
to you about them, And I immediately thought of Fight Club,
which I recently finally watched and hated. But would love
to know what other movies fall into this category for
you all, and what of those movies have you seen
and think are definitely worth watching? I have some thoughts. Okay,
(29:34):
this well, this is a little This is tricky for
me because of my already extremely dude bro taste in movies,
which is like, you don't need to. I feel like
you've apologized for it in the past, where it's like
you are who you argue that that's thank you. So
point being, I've already seen many of the movies that
(29:56):
men will try to insist that I need to see,
and I'm like, bitch, I've already seen that, and I
hate it. Um Because there are many that I have
that I've seen and that I hate so deeply. We've
covered some of them, but um Leon the Professional is
one that jumps to mind. I hate it so much.
(30:17):
Blade Runner, Yeah, I don't see the appeal the movie.
Heat Men are like heat Rocks, and I'm like, it's
so boring though a lot of like I mean, I
think that there's like, I don't know, like good Fellas.
I enjoyed that discussion because we were like good Fellas
heads and we also liked The Godfather. If you're not
(30:40):
on the fucking Matreon and you've been yelled at us
for years, we liked both those damn movies. We like
good Fellas better. Yeah, and we're right about that, but
that is the correct answer. Yes, But yeah, I feel
like there's like I'm trying to think of like a
dude bro movie that I avoided for a long time
that I'm on this list called men's gear dot Net. Uh,
(31:02):
I think that is it is kind of an interesting
thing where it's like fight club. I think we talked
about this back in the day. I also like, I
want to go back to that episode someday because I
feel like there's things that like. Because we did it
as a live show for some reason, we couldn't get
to everything, and I feel like I had more nuanced thoughts,
but was um kind of self editing because we have
to do an entertaining live show on top of having
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a very complicated discussion, which is why our live shows
pluging our tour are now basically fun popcorny movie they're
goofy movies, such as a goofy movie. Um, I can't
really think of any I think that, like honestly, all
my opinions are right. So actually, actually, Big Lebowski was
a movie that I avoided for a long time, and
(31:46):
I uh, it's a classic. It's awesome. Um, and I
resent that I was kept away from it. Yeah, yeah,
I wrote down that one. I think. I mean film
bros love the Cohen Brothers, and I think and I'm
a big fan as well. I like they're the best many,
if not most, of their films. Um, big Lebowski probably
(32:08):
being my favorite of them. Um. I would say a
couple of Tarantino movies are also ones that I think
are worth watching if you avoid Tarantino because of film
bros Telling you you gotta see their movies. Although honestly,
I think it's mostly just Kill Bill. I really love
Kill Bill. Yeah, I love kill but others I hate.
(32:30):
I hated The Hateful Eight. I think that's a kind
of common opinion, though I think that that's like people
are like, that's his worst one. Yeah, So I'm not
like saying anything profound here. Although I watched and I
was on a plane, so I was I was the
snake on the plane. But I I rewatched and Glorious
Bastards I hadn't seen since high school. I like, that's
(32:52):
a pretty good movie. I really liked that one. I
think holds up. On the other hand, once upon a
time in Hollywood, we didn't lose one of my least
favorite movies. I saw that year, so I have to
rewatch it. But I did not like it when it
came out. Um, a couple of others I would say
are worth watching Our Speed and Point Break, And while
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they are both copaganda, they are fun romps and Keanu
Reeves is in them and he's a national treasure, so
he and national treasure although no one kept us from
no one kept us from National Treasure. Um. And then
my final one that we talked about in Good Fellas,
because I just am like, I guess I've always been
(33:35):
a fan of Martin Scorsese movies, but now I'm like,
maybe this could be my personality for a while. But
Wolf of Wall Street one of my favorite movies ever.
I feel like such a good capitalism critique. It's fun
to watch and everyone's good in it. Um. But but um,
you know, there's a certain contingency that take away the
wrong message and spoil it for people. But I think
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it's um it's one of my favs, thing with American Psycho,
which we discussed on that episode from a while back.
But yeah, it's it's always a matter of like, because
some of these movies are satire or have biting commentary,
but often the wrong message is taken away or the
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satire isn't very clear to begin with, so or it's
like poorly adapted which I think is like I don't
remember if we really talked about that in the fight
Club episode, but I think that, yeah, like it kind
of like pings my brain for like how Lolita has
been adapted over the years, where like in the source material,
I think the morality that the writer is trying to
(34:41):
get across is very clear, but the adaptations lack that,
and I feel like the fight Club kind of falls
into that category in some ways. Yeah, I don't have
nuance thoughts on it at the moment, but um, yeah,
I'd be interested to kind of explore that idea more.
Thank you, Katie, You've opened my mind, You've opened my heart.
(35:03):
Two movies by men. Um, let's take another break and
then come back and answer a few more questions. We
are back, and I think it's time to answer some
(35:24):
super fun questions. Yeah, fun ones. First ones from Melanie.
What episode is gregg in from? I've listened to every episode.
I can't remember the origin. Well, Melanie from YouTube dot
com from we did not make it up? We did
not make it up. It is from a YouTube video
(35:46):
entitled It's Not Even. If you search the word gregnt,
this video will come up. But the video is called
how is Prangent Formed? Like? Can we listen to it
together right now? It's so funny. So what it is?
It's it's like a bunch of like frantically typed typo
(36:08):
written um like answer websites like Cora and Yahoo Answers
and stuff like that. It's just clearly like people who
think that they are pregnant, frantically asking a question on
the Internet and not checking their spelling, and it's just
the urgency of these typos. It's very funny. It's very yes.
So that's where gregnant is from. We first mention it
(36:29):
on the episode on the Rock with Miles Gray. So
it's because you and Miles knew about this video already
and you were you were giggling about Gregnant, and I
was like, what do you guys? Because I hadn't seen
the video at that point, and so you were in
on the joke. I was not. But now hopefully everyone's
(36:54):
in on the joke. We encourage you to watch this
YouTube video How is Prangent Formed? A k a. The
Gregnant video? Kind of an Internet classic. It's fun and
and now full fucking circle Miles and his partner there,
So there you go. Wow, I know and should send
(37:18):
I'm sorry and congregulations to them. We should really send
a onesie that says Greg. Yes, absolutely, whatever comes out
that baby is Greg exactly. Um. Our next question comes
from Forest. I'm so excited I get to read this one. Okay,
(37:40):
Forest says, bellow bellow for bellow to you two? Forest,
who is the most shreky in character in Titanic? And whomp?
Would the Minions hitch their banana wagon two on the Titanic?
(38:00):
And then Forest says, sorry, if these questions have already
been answered, which is I really hope that there's sincere
in saying that, because it's not out of the question
that this would have come up on this true, Well,
it would have to be um Bruce, Okay, So I
think the Minions would would work for Bruce is may
(38:20):
or the iceberg. Okay, now we're talking because, as we've
discussed in past Minions episodes, it's minions cannon to avoid
historical monsters in historically recent memory that the that the
minions were frozen. They were were not frozen, but they
lived in the Arctic in a cave from like most
of the nineteenth century until the nineteen sixties. To avoid
(38:43):
a lot of horrible things. Um, they're like, well, the
minions weren't involved with that because they were in the
Arctic Circle at that time. They were busy with ice,
so they get ice, they know ice. They ice each other.
Probably remember when we used to ice each other and
drink spear enough ices aristotles a simpler time. Wow, And
(39:07):
that was also the Mike's Hard Lemonade era. It really was.
We've gone through We've gone through so many phases of
this show. We've grown up to. I know, we've really
grown up together. I think it's nice. I'm drinking a
saltzer right now. Are you joking? I'm drinking would never
drink water. Oh my god, that's just because I'm sick.
(39:31):
But I was like, I'm glad we are hydrating more healthfully.
But okay, so I think I think the iceberg is
an excellent answer, and let's go with that. Is May
is a coward, and like the minions don't really vibe
with that. They work for dinosaurs and grew. So I
would say probably the iceberg is the right answer. As
(39:53):
for Shreky in that here here's my thinking. Okay, I
think cal Hockley gives off some intense lord far Quad
vibes he is, Yes, yes, he is very far quad. Yes.
But also I think Molly Brown it feels very shreky
(40:15):
in to me. I feel like Fabrizio has some shreky
in qualities due to his fake exaggerated accent. Um, and
how shreki in is that Mike Meyer is certainly not Scottish,
you know, certainly not, so there's that um. And then
also I mean Rose Dowippycator, Fiona both kind of feisty redheads,
(40:37):
you know, so that is a bit shreky in, very shreky.
And I think Shrek and Fiona of different classes rich girl,
poor guy shreky exactly makes you think holy crap. Basically,
Shrek is an adaptation of Titanic. Are they ever on
a boat? Is there a dragon and Titanic? Is there
(41:00):
a donkey and Titanic? Yes? Yes and yes. Trying to
bear this out, it's Pinocchio and Titanic. Um, I think
there are enough. Yeah. I think Molly Brown definitely shreky
and energy. I think the more exaggerated Titanic characters could
very easily be in track, which is many of them.
It's a very yeah. What's the what TV network. Their
(41:22):
tagline is something like we know characters, or like you're
mixing up TVs and t N t Kalin. It's characters welcome,
that's TBS. We know drama, that's TNT. Oh my god,
Oh good grief. Okay, so I guess I mean both
apply to Titanic. Titanic nose drama and characters are welcome
(41:45):
on the Titanic. We're holding two truths here. We've got
TVs and TNT energy. Goodness, it's Titanic. I've a Titanic
is on t ANT all the damn time, for sure.
I would say that. Yeah, I would say Jack not
very shreky in, but the dynamic between Jack and Rose
has Shrek vibes to it. I feel like Rose do
(42:08):
Itplicator is in a tower of the mind, I mean
cerebral tower. She talks about how she's trapped in a
metaphorical prison. The whole love triangle honestly is shreky in.
Titanic is a very shreky in movie, is what we're
concluding it is. It is, And the minions would work
for the Iceberg, which is so funny. Oh can I
(42:31):
read a text? I had a text exchange with my
mom yesterday. That made me laugh so much because it's
the end of the year. Uh and my my mom's
second grade teacher reminder listeners. And I also, Minion piled
her so hard this year that she's like, there's there's
something going on in her head. It's not quite right.
She had never seen a Minion movie. Took her to
see Rise of gru in Orlando over the summer, and
(42:53):
she's a new woman. She's got a new lease on life.
So all her kids now are and she knows that
Kevin's my faith. So she had her kids draw me
some Christmas Kevin's here's one. Oh my gosh, that's so good.
I know second graders know how to draw Kevin. He's
their friend. But then she texted me, I told my
(43:14):
kids this morning that you want to marry Kevin. Ha ha,
And for the record, had not said, but I replied,
I do. He's a compassionate leader. And she said exactly,
We're Minion felt so hard. I love it, and her
one of her students got her Kevin chia pet. But
(43:36):
oh wait, do they have hippi have little strands of hair?
But they're not hippie. Kevin planted Okay, We're gonna have
to post some of these photos to them. It's so
the minions, you know, Happy holidays to to them. Well,
speaking of the minions, our next question, Oh yeah, that
(43:58):
doesn't um take it away, Jamie. Oh, this is a
question from Kelly favorite things you watched in two movies,
TV docs, whatever? Also at least favorite. Um, Everything Everywhere
is probably my favorite movie of the years. Same but
but you got Rise of Group coming in hot right
behind it. That's what I'm saying. That's why I saw
(44:20):
Everything Everywhere three times in theaters. I saw a Group
two times in theaters, but in two states, which I
feel like isn't nothing. That's effort. It took. You got
to put an effort for that, and I sawed it. Wait,
I sawed at both city walks that's fucked up in
Los Angeles and in Orlando. No kidding, I go to
(44:40):
the Manon's house to watch that damn movie. Yeah. Those
are my top two. Nice I will add to that,
are are Are? Which kind of going back to the
very first question, we answered as far as like perspective
on film in general, if that has changed? Um, because
(45:01):
the movie are are Are? While a flawless masterpiece. Um.
If we were to cover it on the Backtel cast
up well on the conversation about you know, the characterization
of women in the movie, UM would be it's it's laughable,
it's not very um And yet I love the movie
(45:22):
so so much. It's complicated at the point being sometimes
I just have to like take off my back dol
goggles and I can still enjoy a movie. Sometimes I
put them back on. You know, it's all about and honestly,
like we've talked about this before, but if we're just
like going to the movies to watch a movie, we
(45:44):
don't necessary at least I don't want to speak for you, Jamie,
but I don't necessarily have my back dol goggles on
or not in the same way that I would when
I'm like unless it's like egregious, Like if it's egregious,
then exactly can't not. But yeah, no, I I agree
sometimes you just I think, honestly, the most this is
not one of my favorite movies of the year by
(46:04):
a long shot, but one of my favorite pieces of
media this year is the Harry Stytles quote. I feel
like it's so useful. It's the movie feels like like
a movie movie and sometimes and now to transition into
Nicole kidman and we need that, all of all of us,
that indescribable feeling we get when the lights begin to
(46:25):
dim and we go somewhere. Oh damn again, it's okay.
I think I'm gonna know the whole thing. Other movies
I really liked this year, Turning Red and Pray, both bangers.
Both have seen in multiple times. The Woman King I loved.
I still haven't seen it. Oh you gotta see The
Woman King. Another one of my favorites was Marcel the
(46:48):
Shell with Shoes On. I still haven't seen it. I
gotta say, you little movie. At the time of this recording,
we have yet to see Puss in Boots, but I
think it's going to one of my favorite movies of
the year. And talk about a shreky In movie, Oh,
I I mean harder to get shreky in the net
unless it's Shrek five, which I can't fucking wait for.
(47:10):
Uh there's I'm looking at my AMC history so a
documentary I really loved this year, and I think it
will probably. I think it's like it's like made the
Oscars short lists and stuff. But it made me cry.
We talked about it on the Matreon because there was
a guy behind me who was really rude about it.
But I was crying, cry, crying fire of love about
two vulcanologists who are married and spoiler alert, they tell
(47:31):
you in the trailer they die in a volcano. Um
But it's a really beautiful story and I would recommend
watching it. I saw Nope twice. I had a good
time at Nope. And then also, this is not a
movie from this year, but I saw ET in IMEX
this year and it was I was crying so much.
It's such a I feel like I didn't really have
(47:54):
I think this is like a micro generational thing too,
but like I didn't have a ton of excite ment
and love for ET as a kid, but watching it
as an adult, oh boy, I really love it and
it it delivered. I also enjoyed Crimes of the Future
because I love body horror. Um. Oh, I didn't see
that one, but every time I hear the title of
(48:16):
that movie, I'm reminded of another movie called Needle in
a Time Stack. Do you remember this? Oh? Yes, we
had a hell of it time with Needle and a
Time Stack. Did that movie come out do we know.
I think so, but it was a blip because I
and and speaking of amazing incredible movies that are awesome
(48:38):
and perfect, Moonfall was one of my favorite movies of
last year. Not because it's good, because it wasn't. But
if you just want to watch a I Frankenstein level
terrible movie, Moonfall is one to watch. You know what
I liked. I liked Scream five. I liked five Cream.
(48:58):
I thought that was a fun one. I'm trying to
spread the love around genres. Sure, Barbarian I thought was
pretty fun. We had some notes for it, but I
thought Morbarian was like a really yeah, like a really
well done movie. I saw it twice. Enjoyed Bodies Bodies, Bodies.
I enjoyed UM. I wasn't wild about X, but I
(49:21):
did enjoy Pearl a lot. Sure, I didn't see either
of them. I had had a fun time. I will
see the third one. As far as TV, we mentioned
a few shows the Rock and Roll Abbott, Elementary, Rutherford Falls,
also Reservation Dogs. I'll add to that list. Um. One
of my favorite shows that came out I think this
(49:43):
year is We Are Lady Parts. Watched it people that
it's so good. I highly recommend everyone check out We
Are Lady Parts. It's about a group of women in
the UK, all Muslim women who are in a punk
band and it's awesome. I gotta watch it. I've been
(50:05):
enjoying the sex lives of college girls. Oh, I gotta
watch that's a fun one. Um, I haven't been. I'm
kind of behind on TV right now, honestly, but there
was one. I mean, I I always stay up on
what we do in the Shadows. Always a classic, always delivers,
and you know, just for no reason, Like, there's some
(50:26):
really good TV shows coming out next year, and I'm
just going to throw out a couple of titles. Um,
the fourth season of Star Trek Lower Decks is supposed
to be like really amazing, and it's actually a really
good show. And if you are not into Star Trek
or like don't have a working knowledge and you're nervous
about getting into the Star Trek Expanded universe, it's kind
(50:48):
of a great show to start with. It's an adult
animated comedy. But I guess that that's all I can
really say about it. But I just like the first
few seasons are good, but I just like think that
the fourth season, something's gonna change, it's gonna be really special.
I want if it's because like a writer joins the
writer's room and really like elevates the show the particular writer.
I would not say that I did that, but I
(51:09):
had a really good time. You should watch it and
Teenage Us in Asia. I just like love that room
so much, and it's created and written by majority women,
and it's so fun and you'll have you'll have a
great time. It's on I think it's on HBO Max
because it's an adult swimshow. Wow. As far as my
(51:32):
least favorite things of this year, No Offense Till thor
Love and Thunder, but I thought that was a turd.
I didn't see it. I didn't have fun at any
Marvel movies this year. I was like, I'm excited for
the New ant Man movie. I am genuinely excited for
that because Michelle Fibers in it. Yeah, like the cast
(51:53):
Rocks and Jeff Loveness wrote the movie and he's so funny,
and I'm like, I believe in the New ant Man movie.
I didn't have a great year with Marvel movies this year.
I love like Sam Ramy directed the best movie of
all time Spider Man too, but doctor Strange just like
I was confused, I was tired. I was like, oh god,
there's a lot of space rocks like you know, also
(52:15):
Jurassic World dominions. If they had just had the courage
to do that. Yeah. Yeah, I was talking to Sarah
Marshall was like, it's just like never ceases to amaze
me that the last Jurassic Park movie is mainly about
locusts and not dinosaurs. Wild. I didn't see it was
such a turd um. Yeah, so those are the ones
(52:39):
at the bottom of my list. I saw MORBs as
a joke. It wasn't worth it. Jared Letto was like
Jared Letto was genuinely a criminalis bad person And then
a movie I was let down by from a director
I like, and I'm excited for his nose for out too,
but I didn't. I didn't like The Northman. It didn't
do anything for me me either. I thought it was
too violent. Whoa mom. That wasn't my I just thought
(53:05):
it was like boring, and like Roberts is like not
a boring filmmaker. So I was just kind of like
they made the Vivich. He made the Vivich. He made
the lighthouse. He makes like wild movies. So I don't know.
And I enjoyed Bandtrees of Inn Sharon. I think I'm
gonna think I'll say it a second time. Band Trees
(53:25):
of Ed Sheeran. Yeah, that was one of the ones
I liked. It made me want to go back to
Ireland to visit my family. Oh my god, wait, I
have a wild As we're winding down this episode, I
have the weirdest story. I don't know if I told you,
I tell you about the guy I met at the
airport in Alaska who was like, we're related. No. So
(53:46):
I was in the airport and I called up to
the desk for some seating things. So they said my
full name and I was walking back and then there
was like an Irish guy and he was like, I
can't do an Irish accent. I was about to go Australian.
He was like, is your last name Loftis? I was
like yeah, and he's like, my last name is Loftis
and he's Irish and you know, I'm mostly Irish and
(54:08):
I was like, oh, that's so wild. And he's like,
you know, fifteen years older than me. And I was like, Oh,
we're just having a conversation here. He's telling me about himself.
I'm telling him about myself. The people at the desk,
the Delta desk, they're loving it. They're like this is
so interesting and like, yeah it is. This is actually awesome.
And he's like, oh we should. Like he said like
(54:28):
Loftus is a rare last name, which I have since checked.
I don't think that's actually true. Um, but I was
like he's from Ireland. I believe him, which is a
weird instinct also, but I was just like he's like
we might be distantly related, like give me your number
and like I will blah blah blah blah blah. And
then anyways, get on the plane. He immediately starts to
(54:49):
texting me so much and then makes a joke about
like what if we had sex, And I was like,
never give a man your phone number, Jamie, wait, what
what was the text? I received? And now like I
haven't blocked his number because I love to choose violence.
But he was going to Ireland and like I talked
(55:11):
to my dad for a couple like literally two minutes
and he's like, yeah, we're definitely not related to that guy.
But glad you enjoyed the airport. So he was like, hey,
we're probably related. Should we have sex? That really that
is exactly what he was like, because okay, wait no,
(55:31):
I'm just gonna read the text. Um, this is a
few texts down. It starts very friendly. He's like, so
cool to meet you, blah blah blah. I was like, yeah,
that was really awesome, enjoy enjoy the flight. And he's like,
there's a seat next to me. And I didn't reply um,
but then he said, you have the culture in you.
You are female version of me, less facial hair, and
I was like, m texts are getting weird, but I
(55:52):
reply just a little ha ha. The Loftiest brand is
strong trying to keep things friendly. He replies, would make
an awkward morning after waking up in same bed than
asking names dot dot dot incest l O L. He
immediately applies l O L again. He replies again, how
cool to meet you. I'm so happy. It's like, okay,
(56:14):
I bet his name isn't even loftist. He just like
goes up to people and like uses that as a
pickup line and then I don't. It's like an excuse
to get numbers from women. I don't know. I mean
he has been WhatsApp messaging me pictures of horses in
Ireland for weeks. It's like it's the kind of thing
(56:37):
where it's like, it's not that joke was I should
have blocked him, but I am choosing violence. I'm like,
I wonder how many pictures of horses I'm going to
get um and then if there's a dick pick, then
I'll block him. Okay. I wouldn't recommend this approach for
literally anyone else or really myself, but when I saw
I was like fancies in shared, which is like it
(57:01):
isn't but I was like Irish accent. Anyways, it made
me want to visit Ireland. And then meeting that guy
maybe not want to visit Ireland. So I kind of
been on this whole challenging journey with my homelands. What
a roller coaster, you know. The final question, um a
lot of people wanted to know was what movies are
(57:22):
we most excited for coming out? In Barbie Barbie and
and a lot of people mentioned Barbie. Um, my most
anticipated is Spider Man Across the Spider Verse. Yes, yes,
very excited for that. Cocaine Bear is right there at
the top of my list. Elizabeth Banks is about to
sweep the Oscars. I'm excited for the new Magic Mike,
(57:47):
Magic Mike's Last Ants. I am excited for Aunt Man.
That'll be fun. Uh huh um mad Max the Wasteland.
I believe it's slated to come out in Oh Wow.
I an't excited for that Cocaine Bear. Oh speaking of
scary bears, not Paddington. I don't know when Paddington three
is coming out, and it better not be before I
(58:08):
get cast in it. But Winnie the Pooh, Blood and Honey,
I'm pretty excited for. I'm not excited for that. I
can't even really describe why my body rejects that concept.
I'm seeing it and you're like, fuck, you have seen Megan.
We have to Oh my god, we will be seeing Megan.
(58:29):
Wh'ere to start the year strong with Megan? I feel
like that's actually a strong um madrean contender, Like, yeah,
I want to see Wonka only because I think it's
going to be horrible. What if Wonka is good? But
like there's no way, but what if it's are we
going to have to cover Willy Wonka and the Chocolate
factory when that comes out, perhaps perhaps we will. And
(58:51):
I'm excited for the new scream because I'm just like,
I'm back, I'm back, I'm in six six cream, six cream. Yeah,
they should just stylize there's five cream and others six
crew and now let's add another cream on the pile
while we're at it. I think those are the ones
that I'm generally excited for it. But I am, I've
really I'm I'm Barbie puilt, I'm really excited for Did
(59:12):
you see the teaser trailer? I don't actually think I've
seen it yet. I've seen a lot of the like
onset photos the teaser trailer. I like, need to watch
it again. But I'm like, oh, she's she's doing something here.
It's not just Barbie and Ken. She's doing what is
she up to? And then you're just like, you know,
Searcher running women, women women. So I am, I'm really
(59:37):
interested to see that. I'm sure there's ore's there's like
independent releases that I am a d for Brady obviously,
Oh my god. But yes, the Horny Jane Fonda movie, Yes,
I will see that. Obviously, I always see the Horny
I got, I got kicked out of book Club. I
got funked up at book Club and I was cheering
too much. The only time I've ever been kicked out
(59:59):
of a movie. Yeah, you were there. You're not comfortable.
Oh god, it's a simpler time. Yeah. Well, so that
concludes our Q and a episode for this year. Thank
you listeners for all your support, and I would hey, hey, hey,
now hey, you asked us questions. I'd like to ask
(01:00:20):
you a question, which is, what would you like to
hear from us? What movies that we haven't already covered
would you like us to cover? What suggestions might you
have for guests that you'd like us to have on
the show? Things like that. Yes, so, well, we can
link to the request form in the description. We're always
(01:00:43):
looking to to hear from you. We love you, and
um I'm really looking forward to we have some we
have some fun plans in store for you this year.
We're starting the year with our tour um So, if
you made it to the to the episode neilive on
the West Coast, We've still got tickets available in dwindling numbers.
(01:01:05):
I might add in Los Angeles on January we're doing
a Goofy movie then We're going up to San Francisco
on February first to do George of the Jungle, and
then we're going up to Portland's Oregon on the second,
doing two shows. One is The Goonies with Sarah Marshall,
the second is a mystery show with a mystery guest.
And then February five, we're gonna be up in Seattle,
(01:01:28):
also doing the Goonies. So you're gonna want to go, Bibe,
You're gonna want to go. And you can find tickets
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every single month, plus access to the back catalog. And
it's January, and that means only one thing. The Pinocchio Wars,
Oh God covering look the two Pinocchios from Bockle the
fuck in. It's gonna be bloody, it's gonna be brutal.
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Caitlin and my friendship might faull apart, might not survive
because what you don't know is that Caitlin and I
have both been drafted and not to the same side
of the war. Wow, yeah, my goodness. Yeah, so stay
tuned a bit of R R R energy, yeah in
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this war, but our friendship may say, hey, win the day.
Oh my gosh. And if you haven't seen R R R,
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and we'll be back next week with a regularly scheduled programming. Wait,
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my husband Kevin would say, poopie, poopie below and poopie
that's famous Beatles song. Okay, bye bye,
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